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The Pizza Killers · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: No one is safe from criminals. They strike when and
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  Speaker 1: where they please, whether it's at home or in the workplace.
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  Speaker 1: Today is a case that coined the term thrill kill,
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  Speaker 1: and it occurred when two young men targeted an innocent
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  Speaker 1: pizza delivery driver while he was working, all because he
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  Speaker 1: was an easy target. This is the Pizza Killers.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked Grim, a true crime podcasting.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast and material intended more mature audience listener
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  Speaker 1: discretion ad. We just recorded a pre show and we
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  Speaker 1: already kind of want to order pizza because of this episode,
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  Speaker 1: do we though? I mean not really, but just we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about pizza a little bit and then we're like,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of tempting.
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  Speaker 2: Pizza is a damn good food.
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  Speaker 1: There is no bad time for pizza. I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you really search technically, I'm sure you could find
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  Speaker 1: a bad time for pizza, Like if you're ordering delivery
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  Speaker 1: at someone's wake or something. Yeah, that's probably a bad
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  Speaker 1: time for pizza. But outside of the extreme, there is
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  Speaker 1: no bad time for pizza.
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  Speaker 2: No, but maybe while you're listening to this episode, possibly,
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  Speaker 2: well that is.
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  Speaker 1: Yet to be determined. Okay, but we'll find that out.
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  Speaker 1: But before we even find that out, we got some
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  Speaker 1: link is blow. Yeah, there you go, There we go,
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Do we have anything really that we
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  Speaker 1: need to talk about right now?
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  Speaker 2: Don't know. We just chatted about a shit ton of
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  Speaker 2: stuff on our pre show.
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  Speaker 1: We did. We talked about how our chickens are a
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  Speaker 1: shit show right now.
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  Speaker 2: An absolute shit show.
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  Speaker 1: We have one who is a little bit sick right now.
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  Speaker 1: We have the little chicks that we got a little
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  Speaker 1: while ago that are finally being introduced to the flock.
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  Speaker 1: They're not like in the flock yet, but they have
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  Speaker 1: like their home, like separate little run right now. And
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  Speaker 1: it all looks super redneck because when we first built
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  Speaker 1: a coop, we didn't know what we're doing, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's just like adding on more and more things.
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  Speaker 2: These poor chickens, I feel like we just you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're just we're learning from them.
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  Speaker 1: But thankfully we are building a new proper chicken coop
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  Speaker 1: with a new proper chicken run, like all this good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, Like they have they have.
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  Speaker 2: It good now, they do. I feel like we'd spend
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time and we are. I'm cleaning in
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  Speaker 2: there often and they do got it good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like recycled materials, like using what we
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  Speaker 1: have and super redneck. There's nothing wrong with redneck. Trust me,
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  Speaker 1: we kind of ore red neck. But it's just you know,
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  Speaker 1: that whole vibe.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is, I don't think they care, No.
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  Speaker 1: They don't. The chickens are doing good, and that's what's important.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, Okay, well, I am very intrigued about this one.
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  Speaker 2: You want to just dive right in here, But do
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  Speaker 2: you got other things you got a chit chat about.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're good, But I am curious what about
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  Speaker 1: it has you so intrigued.
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  Speaker 2: I'm terrified because I've always been I don't know a
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  Speaker 2: person that thinks certain jobs out there are like kind
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  Speaker 2: of dangerous and not even because you know, if you're
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  Speaker 2: like a police officer or something like, of course that
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  Speaker 2: job's dangerous, right, But then there's other jobs like a
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  Speaker 2: delivery person or I think I've said, like a realtor,
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  Speaker 2: or just like certain things where you put yourself in
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  Speaker 2: situations that could end up being harmful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: And so yeah, this is gonna this is gonna be
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  Speaker 2: hard for me.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, It's certainly there is risk to
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  Speaker 1: certain employment I guess, to certain avenues of careers, and
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  Speaker 1: that risk is different. For for example, if you look
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  Speaker 1: at like a welder, you're gonna have a risk of
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  Speaker 1: arc flash for burning yourself or dropping steel plates on
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  Speaker 1: your toes and squishing your fingers. However, if you're working
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  Speaker 1: in an office, you're more apt to have higher risk
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  Speaker 1: for back problems sitting in a chair, carpal tunnel syndrome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and like you say, when you're putting yourself out in
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  Speaker 1: the public, like a realtor, you're putting yourself at risk
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  Speaker 1: to the public for someone that you might be conducting
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  Speaker 1: business with that Hey, they don't have a background check
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  Speaker 1: or anything. You're just meeting some random person that, right
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  Speaker 1: there is a risk, and that is the very same
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  Speaker 1: risk that we are going to be going over today
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  Speaker 1: in this case.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, okay, I already feel it, like antsy.
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  Speaker 1: You're good, Yeah, you sure?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's dive into the Pizza Killers also known
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  Speaker 1: as the baby Face Pizza Killers. I heard it mentioned
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  Speaker 1: as that online.
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  Speaker 2: A couple times too interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And you'll you'll understand why in a while. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: the Pizza Murders began its tragic events actually long before
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  Speaker 1: the actual murders ever took place, and instead went back
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  Speaker 1: to a burglary at Adventure Sports, which is an outdoor
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  Speaker 1: store nestled in Franklin, A mere eleven days prior. Adventure
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  Speaker 1: Sports was a haven for hunting, fishing, and campingenthusiasts. Held
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  Speaker 1: stock of camping gear, hiking equipment, fishing poles, lures, baits, camouflage,
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  Speaker 1: and of course, guns and ammunition. On April eighth, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven, Adventure Sports was a place that proved to
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  Speaker 1: be a tantalizing target for Thomas Koskovic, who is eighteen
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  Speaker 1: years old, and his accomplice Michael Conklin, nineteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: Hence the baby face, because we have some young individuals
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  Speaker 1: who are our perpetry.
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  Speaker 2: I was at first, I was like, Okay, well they're
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  Speaker 2: just really young. But then I'm like, well, maybe they're
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  Speaker 2: wearing masks or something that have like a baby face.
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  Speaker 1: Something from the Halloween store.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I don't know know that that's a.
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  Speaker 1: Legitimate point that could could be. But that's unfortunately, well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there was no fortunately or unfortunately, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's just not the.
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  Speaker 2: Same the case, not the case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Michael, who as I said, was nineteen, he
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  Speaker 1: was waiting in the vehicle to be the getaway for Thomas, well,
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  Speaker 1: he was inside. So while it was never really specified
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  Speaker 1: what exactly it was, Thomas exploited an alleged flaw in
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  Speaker 1: the store's alarm system and used it to his advantage.
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  Speaker 1: This allowed him much more time to not only break
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  Speaker 1: into the store, but ensure it didn't have like any
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  Speaker 1: sort of rush on how long he spent them there,
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  Speaker 1: which allowed him the opportunity to steal exactly what he wanted.
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  Speaker 1: So while inside, Thomas seized three firearms, a twenty two
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  Speaker 1: caliber revolver, a forty five caliber semi automatic pistol, and
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  Speaker 1: another forty caliber semi automatic pistol. Along with it, he
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  Speaker 1: also ensured that he had the ammunition that he needed
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  Speaker 1: to go with them.
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  Speaker 2: All.
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  Speaker 1: While it's always concerning to hear when firearms are stolen,
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  Speaker 1: in this case, no one could have known that these
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  Speaker 1: pilfered weapons would soon become instruments of tragedy as two
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  Speaker 1: young men would sorry, as these two young men would
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  Speaker 1: use them to commit a cold blooded murder ste the
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  Speaker 1: community in Crimson.
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  Speaker 2: Was this guy smarter than normal or like average, more average?
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  Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of now you can't even speak.
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  Speaker 2: Just the fact that he could get through the alarm
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  Speaker 2: or whatever right or prolong it from going off seems No.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything specific that he I mean,
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  Speaker 1: intelligence benefits or I don't know how to point it out.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's very smart enough. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: considering the outcome of this and what he did, I
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  Speaker 1: don't say no, I don't think he's very bright. But
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  Speaker 1: there was just something that he knew about the system
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  Speaker 1: that he took advantage of. How he knew it, What
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  Speaker 1: that was I could not find?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the initial idea though, for this was not to
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  Speaker 1: kill anyone with these firearms. The plan instead was to
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  Speaker 1: trade the stolen items for cocaine, then pedal that cocaine
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  Speaker 1: or a profit. This way, in their theory, they would
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  Speaker 1: make more money than if they were to just sell
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  Speaker 1: the stolen guns.
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  Speaker 2: What the shit?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm assuming it might potentially be easier to sell.
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  Speaker 2: Cocaine pane than the guns.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not too sure they're logic there, but that's that
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  Speaker 1: was their plan. So does he sound very smart? Now?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like a fucking idiot? Am I allowed to say that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Fair enough, I'm not disagreeing with you. So now.
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  Speaker 1: The plan, though, however, did take a turn when Thomas
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  Speaker 1: mentioned the subject of actually killing someone, a proposition that
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  Speaker 1: repulsed Michael at first, who immediately disliked the idea and
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  Speaker 1: the brutal intentions behind it. Thomas continued on, saying how
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  Speaker 1: they could kill a pizza delivery driver and how easy
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  Speaker 1: it would be. Michael immediately began questioning him on this
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  Speaker 1: and his rationale behind killing someone and targeting a pizza
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  Speaker 1: delivery driver, to which Thomas responded, quote, they're easy targets.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to kill someone just for the thrill
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: Good God, gosh, yeah, what a piece of shit, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: And are they actually easy targets?
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  Speaker 1: Well, in the fact that it's like, yeah, come to
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  Speaker 1: my house. And then it's like, could just be random
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess technically because I'm just thinking, like they're
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  Speaker 2: always outside of the door, but I mean you could
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  Speaker 2: quite easily be outside hiding or doing something. Gosh, that's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: And it's usually like young people and who are pizza
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  Speaker 2: delivery drivers? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Oh I hate this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not cool.
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  Speaker 2: That's so fucked.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Fast forward to April nineteenth of nineteen ninety seven,
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  Speaker 1: Thomas concealed the stolen forty five caliber semi automatic pistol
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  Speaker 1: beneath his shirt, while Jason, another friend, concealed the twenty
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  Speaker 1: two caliber revolver. At this point, Michael had nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with this anymore. He didn't want to be anywhere
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  Speaker 1: near this want to kill someone just for the front
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  Speaker 1: of it. He kind of like, yeah, I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, say that's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So another friend by the name of Jason was
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  Speaker 1: now in the circle if you will to do this. So,
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  Speaker 1: now armed with these pistols, they went around and they
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  Speaker 1: scoped out an area that would be perfect for pulling
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  Speaker 1: off this crime. And this was an abandoned house on
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  Speaker 1: Scott Road, so they previously scouted this area out picked
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  Speaker 1: it specifically for this. So before heading there, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this was nineteen ninety seven, they needed to make a
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  Speaker 1: phone call. There's no real cell phones in nineteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are, Like the beginning of cell phones
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  Speaker 1: is great, big like huge ones with the pullout antennas
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. There might be some of those, but they
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  Speaker 1: were certainly not a normal thing. So they needed a
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  Speaker 1: place to make a call in place and order for pizzas. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So what they did is they had actually gone somewhere
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  Speaker 1: found pizzerias in a phone book scribbled on a piece
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  Speaker 1: of paper, right, And they had gone to a dunkin
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  Speaker 1: Donuts payphone. While doing this and using a loose chains
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  Speaker 1: ground from Thomas's girlfriend Kimberly Prestige, they called Tony's Pizza
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  Speaker 1: the top of that list. However, as someone on the
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  Speaker 1: other line answered to take their order. A familiar face
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  Speaker 1: was in a familiar voice was in its place. That
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  Speaker 1: voice was an acquaintance of one of the perpetrators by
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  Speaker 1: the name of Jeremy Giordano. He was quickly recognized and
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  Speaker 1: they hung up the phone immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, they didn't want someone they knew.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and potentially that could be a way of tying
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  Speaker 1: them to the person as well.
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  Speaker 2: Right right, So, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't want someone they knew. They began dialing several
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  Speaker 1: other pizza places that were on this list, tempting to find,
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  Speaker 1: you know, their potential victim. However, every single place they
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  Speaker 1: contacted refused to deliver to the specified location. Clearly there
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  Speaker 1: some suspicion in the air with a vague address and
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  Speaker 1: lack of contact information given this was an abandoned house
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  Speaker 1: after all, so no returning phone number could be given.
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  Speaker 1: The instructions upon delivery were to be delivered outside of
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  Speaker 1: the house, like a lot of that sort of thing,
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  Speaker 1: right okay, So all in all, it just wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: situation anyone really seemed to want to deal with or
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  Speaker 1: be involved in. So, with no options left going through
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  Speaker 1: their list, they circled back to the place they originally
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  Speaker 1: called Tony's Pizza. They dialed the number and the same
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  Speaker 1: familiar voice picked up the phone. Now they did their
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  Speaker 1: best to not be recognized on the call and played
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  Speaker 1: it cool when asked any information regarding the delivery the
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  Speaker 1: delivery location. At this point, everyone turned them down for
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  Speaker 1: this very reason, and this time they didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: scare their last option for potential victim away. With that,
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  Speaker 1: they placed their order and managed to secure a pizza
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  Speaker 1: that would soon be on its way to the abandoned
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  Speaker 1: house at one nine to six Scott Roade.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I know. Well, I'm just yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's actually interesting to me though, that so many
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  Speaker 2: people turn them down, because I'm just find that I
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  Speaker 2: find that interesting, like almost surprising.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you think about nineteen ninety seven,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot more apt for prank calls, Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I mean you might be thinking, oh, there's just kids
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  Speaker 1: trying to get some free pizzas out of us, whatever
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  Speaker 1: the case. Or there's not a real address, or it's
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  Speaker 1: so vague, like it's not worth our time, whatever the
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  Speaker 1: case may be. It just was not worth it for
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  Speaker 1: these pizza places. They're like yeah, no, thanks, right, especially
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  Speaker 1: with like you know, some younger voices on the other end, right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you almost wonder too if they got if
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  Speaker 2: any of them got some sort of gut feeling or something.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think they very well might have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because when these orders were actually even placed, there
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  Speaker 1: was some suspicion over at Tony's Pizza. Oh really there
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  Speaker 1: was the shop owner, Giorgio Galara was hesitant to actually
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  Speaker 1: send Jeremy, who is the delivery driver on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: He was hesitant to send him alone, so he decided
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  Speaker 1: he would actually accompany him to ensure everything went smooth
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  Speaker 1: and that there will be no issues after all, As
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  Speaker 1: they say, there is safety in numbers. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's alarming, Oh my goodness. But okay, but I
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  Speaker 2: agree with that. I agree with that. They would be
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  Speaker 2: much harder if, you know, you had the young delivery
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  Speaker 2: boy and then the owner, it would be harder to
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  Speaker 2: get in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and to be fair, both these the owner
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  Speaker 1: and the delivery boy, they were both in their twenties. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so they're both relatively young themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe.
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  Speaker 1: Don't don't quote me on their ages here. I think
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  Speaker 1: I have him written down later on. I think Jeremy
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  Speaker 1: was twenty four and Georgio was twenty eight. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: think that they're about that anyways, But they definitely had suspicions,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure other pizza shops did too, but they
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  Speaker 1: took it and they made the pizzas, and as the
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  Speaker 1: clock struck at ten forty five pm on April nineteenth,
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  Speaker 1: the two drove off and embarked in their delivery mission.
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  Speaker 1: Warry yet hopeful, so they pulled up to the house
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  Speaker 1: where both Jason and Thomas were now standing and waiting outside.
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  Speaker 1: Georgia was on the passenger side of the vehicle and
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  Speaker 1: rolled down his window as they pulled up. He looked
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  Speaker 1: at the boys and he began talking to him, and
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  Speaker 1: he told them how much money they owed for the
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  Speaker 1: two pizzas they had ordered. Jason turned and asked Thomas
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  Speaker 1: if he had the money to pay him, to which
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  Speaker 1: Thomas reached into his pocket as if he was reaching
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  Speaker 1: for his wallet, but instead though pulled the gun out
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  Speaker 1: of his waistband. Thomas pulled out the stole one forty
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  Speaker 1: five caliber pistol and started firing into the car. Jason
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  Speaker 1: quickly followed suit and revealed his twenty two caliber revolver
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  Speaker 1: and also began shooting into the car. Together, they unleashed
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  Speaker 1: a barrage of bullets upon their unsuspecting victims. A total
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  Speaker 1: of seven shots tore through the quiet air that night.
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  Speaker 1: The car was now filled with bullet holes, and it
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  Speaker 1: rolled forward and came to a gentle stop on the wet,
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  Speaker 1: muddy grass on the side of the road. The driver,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. I got the ages. Jeremy aged twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: and his boss Giorgio, age twenty five, now laid motionless
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  Speaker 1: in the car, both dead.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit, huh wow. I was thinking, okay. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're just going to stay in the car. I felt
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  Speaker 2: like that would be safer, you know, than having to
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  Speaker 2: get out to like go to somebody's house. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: I was feeling like this was going to go a
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  Speaker 2: different way for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: What way did you think it is going to go?
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  Speaker 1: What was in your head? Where were you thinking this
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  Speaker 1: was gonna How do you think it was gonna play out?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I guess when I visualized a delivery person getting killed,
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  Speaker 2: I just visualized them being at a doorstep or like
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: being taken into someone's house or something, but not just
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: in your vehicle.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Well, remember, though, this is an abandoned house, it's most
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: likely boarded up, So when you call for a pizza delivery,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you're probably being like, yeah, like what, we'll meet you
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: out front at the side of the road or something.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the reasons why suspicions
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: were drawn during these calls, because it's like, oh, this
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: is an abandoned house, like it's boarded up. Like why
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: some young kids are just calling for pizzas outside of
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: an abandoned house. Yeah, we're not taking this.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Call, I guess because nowadays, though, with like skip or
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: door dash or whatever they are, it's a lot more
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: normal just to kind of do like contact lists or
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: like you go to someone's and grab it or something. Right,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: it's more normal. But back then, I guess it definitely.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a post COVID thing.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but wow, brutal. That is so freaking sad because
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: that's still like they's very young, Yeah they are, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it was all just because a pizza, like.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Because they're easy targets and it was a thrill kill,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: which we'll talk about that a little bit later. So anyways,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Thomas and Jeremy now made their way towards the vehicle
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to ensure that their heartless task was now complete. Just scum,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: yeah they are. So when they managed to confirm both
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: were dead, they dragged their victims from the vehicle and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: laid them on the ground. There on the wet ground,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: they both laid next to the two pizzas, and that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: is where authorities would find their bodies.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: The fuck why would they take them out like that?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, jeez, I don't know. They did go
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: through their pockets a bit. There was some con predicting
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: reports I found where no money was stolen, but they
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: did go through their pockets and later on a little
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: bit of a spoiler alert, but later on a wallet
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: was found in their possession, So there definitely was some stolen,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: but some might have been left behind, I guess regardless.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So after the murder, the two adrenaline fueled killers. At
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: this point sprinted away from the scene and headed towards
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Thomas's vehicle. Once in the car, Thomas turned to Jason
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and said, in an excited tone, I can't believe we
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: did this, to which Jason responded, I love you, man,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and they shared a hug before jumping jumping into his
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: vehicle and fleeing. That to me is so fucking disgusting.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: That's just nasty.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It's so fucking like, what the shit?
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: They literally just took two innocent people's lives that are
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: just trying to like do their job and you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: make a paycheck.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love you man. After doing that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: He's pumped about it. That's fuck.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I want to know something even worse. This is gonna
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: make some people's blood fucking really boil. On the way
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to Thomas's house, they then made a quick pit stop
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: out front of a church, where they got out of
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the car made a sign of the Cross before humping
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: back into the car and proceeding home. Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Wow, these people are just winners. Egh.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: What kind of wow, self righteous fucking piece of shit
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: scum do you like? Who does that? Yeah, you're excited
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: about murder. You fucking revel in it by being like,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I love you man, Like this brought you fucking closer.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And then you go to a fucking church and then
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you like praise the Lord's sort of situation.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And they knew this one guy too.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: They did know the one which is so I mean, not.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: That it makes it any better.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But god, yes, no, Thomas was a uh an acquaintance
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of Jeremy. They kind of knew each other a little bit.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think they were like friends really per se,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but they knew each other. And Thomas actually had allegedly
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of memories from Tony's Pizza growing up ordering
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: pizza there with like his family and stuff.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hm hmmmm hmm, okay, yeah, I mean, gosh, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: hope that these people get what's coming to them, because
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: that is it's just so sad. And especially he would
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: know what he was taking away in the sense like
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: he would know what or the family that guy one
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: guy had, yeah, right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And oh and even to make it worse though too,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like Giorgio, he he used to work at Tony's Pizza
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and he actually saved up to buy the owner out
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: for him to own the shop. So it was like
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: it was like a big accomplishment. I think he only
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: owned the shop for a year or something like that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: year or two really yeah, so like he was like
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: this was a proud thing for him. It was like
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: his shop like well.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And then he was obviously a super awesome employer too
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that he was like, Okay, this maybe is a bit
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: sketch like, I'll just come with you and they will
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: be fine.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, you just broke my heart.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry even more sorry brutal. Well, let's carry on then, Sorry,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: sorry for breaking your heart. Let's let's keep going with
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the story. So once they sped away from the church,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and then they arrived at Thomas's home, Thomas then put
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the guns and both and some of their bloody clothes
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: actually in a bag and placed it under a painted
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: glass outside of his house. To them, they had got
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: away with the perfect crime, and they were reveling in
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it all. However, little did they know investigators would quickly
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and I mean very, very fucking quickly be on their tail.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: On Sunday, April twentieth, news of the previous night's murder
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: was making its way through media and through word of mouth.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: There was whispers of the horror and disbelief going and wide.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Christine Slater, a friend of Thomas's, picked up the phone
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and dialed police. She informed them that just the day
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: before the murders had occurred, her friend Thomas Koskovich, had
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: mentioned to her that he wanted to kill a pizza's
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: livery person.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, she.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Of course didn't take him seriously at that, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: when she thought there was nothing more than just a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: conversation then, But now she believes that he may have
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: been serious and followed through with his words.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, good for her, because it's understandable that, I mean.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: To not take someone seriously.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, you're like, what the heck, like
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? Kind of thing. But then when
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: she heard about it to actually contact the police right away,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that that is good.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, like honestly, like it's easy to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: say in hindsight, oh, she should have called someone when
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: he said that initially, But on a daily basis, people
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, fuck my life, Oh I want to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: kill myself. Oh my god, is this person says one
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: more thing and then we will fucking kill him? Like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that's just normal.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: All are really dramatic at times, right, Yes.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Very dramatic at times, and it's just normal to hear
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: that sort of shit in this day and age. So
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I cannot blame her for just thinking, oh yeah, sure,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: oh like maybe maybe his last fucking pizza was late
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I want to fucking kill that pizza
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: delivery guy.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Now, like everybody because honestly, in your mind you probably think, oh, man, like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: is he need to go on to medication or something
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: like is he okay? Yeah right, But you're not going
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to think that he's going to actually follow through on that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So so after that call was made, a vigilant resident
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of Scott Road also stepped forward and called police the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: very same day. Good They described a suspicious vehicle that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: they had seen driving up and down the road the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: day prior. This vehicle and the description just so happened
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to match Thomas's car. Clearly, their perfect crime was not
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: so perfect after all, but instead riddled with flaws and witnesses.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Awesome. I love observant people like that.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So good.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the meticulous investigation continued and only uncovered more
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: from there. One of the first places that they started
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: their investigation was tracing the call that came in to
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: order the pizza from Tony's Pizza. They managed to trace
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it back to the very same payphone at Dunkin Donuts
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: where the call was made, and from there they pulled
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: surveillance footage and captured both Thomas and Jason looking through
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the phone book in their little list in making the calls,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: police had more than enough evidence at this point to
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: move in foreign arrest, and on April twenty first, maybe
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours later, that's exactly what happened. An arrest
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was made. They also executed a search warrant on Thomas's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: home and found firearms, bloodstained clothes in a gym bag,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and Giorgio Galara's wallet, who was one of the victims.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: The wallet that I mentioned was found, and.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: They literally thought that they were just like done, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you know, we did a good job here.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, do you think he's very smart? No, yeah,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I think that he is the opposite of that. Agreed
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: a complete dumb ass. Agree that the opposite. I think
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it needs to be more harsh.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So okay, question. Sorry, I'm totally digressing on something that's
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: not even related to this podcast, but I just have
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a question. Dumb ass smart ass? Don't they kind of
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: mean the same thing.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Dumb mess and smart ass? No, I would say dumbass
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: is worse.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, they don't mean the same thing, but it's.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Like smart ass. I kind of think like it's someone's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: a bit cheeky. Well, yeah, I agree, but dumb ass.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't but they're.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Not opposites, like dumb and smarter opposites.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see where you're going.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Smart ass and dumb ass should be opposites, but they're not.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: They're not.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: They almost mean the same thing.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Well, that's just like the English language is kind of fucked. Yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: they're so many things, so many words and stuff that
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: mean the same thing that it's.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Just I agree.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Anyways, as that popped in his head, I digress. Let's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: get back for so, Thomas quickly confessed to the incident
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: when when they got arrested, and while Jason did too,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: he claimed that he didn't actually shoot the victims. Now,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: he said he wanted to prove he quote was a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: friend of Thomas's and that he quote didn't want to
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: kill anybody, so while firing, he opted to shoot at
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the dashboard inside the vehicle instead of the passengers.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes him really any better.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Which forensics would later prove to be a lie, as
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it was proven that Jeremy his life was extinguished by
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a fatal bullet from Thomas's gun and Giorgio was killed
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: from a single bullet from Jason's gun.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, to lie about that. It's just like
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you're caught. At least have a little bit of decency.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Just make yeah, I'm a piece of shit.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I agree. Now. Jason at the time was only seventeen
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: years old when the murders took place, and as such,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: he was placed in the county's juvenile detention center after
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: his arrest. While behind bars, you just like face pomped.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Why, well, sorry, I'm actually thinking well, first of all,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: seventeen is so young. But Thomas was kind of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: main the planner, the organizer, and Jason Storry is the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: one that wanted to be his friend.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, Now, I don't know if Thomas was like the organizer,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the planner, it was certainly his idea okay.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but he was the one that had was
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: chatting with that other dude that was like, you know, yes,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: he was the one that was part of the robbery.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Correct, Thomas is the one that went in the store,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: robbed everything, had the guns to begin with, the other friend,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Michael kind of dipped and then Jason, who has kind
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: of involved a little bit too, then kind of like
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: stepped up and was the next to do the thing.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to you bid. Michael didn't say anything, hey.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree. Anyways, Jason was only seventeen. He
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: was put in a juvenile detention center after his arrest,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and while behind bars, Jason confided in others who were
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: also incarcerated alongside him, and he allegedly said that he
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: never thought he and Thomas would actually go through with
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: their plans. But as to why he did it, he
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: just said, quote wanted to see what it was like
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to kill somebody.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It also seems a little bit like a peer pressure
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: thing too, in a way.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I think if I think when it occurred, because Jason
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: turned to Thomas and asked him if he had money
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to pay for the pizzas, I think if Thomas pulled
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: out money, then they would have bought pizzas and that
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: would have been that. But Thomas pulled out a gun,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: so Jason did too.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was following him.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Was he was following him. But he was just as responsible.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And if you get he also had the curiosity.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: He also had the curiosity. He also did it. He
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: just needed someone to to jump off the bridge first,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: so he jumped after. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that's all it was. He just needed someone to do
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it first so he could follow. So, following his admissions
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of a desire to indulge in the thrill of taking
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a life, the Sussex County Prosecutors coined the term thrill kill,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: which was then picked up by news organizations around the world. So,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, I mean, I didn't
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: dive too much into researching on this term. As far
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: as I could tell, though, this term was birthed with
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this case.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, thrill kill. Yeah, that's so disturbing, A term that
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: should never never be.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent agree. Yeah. Now, From the bustling
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: streets of New York City to the shores of Asia,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the tales of the Pizza murders found its way all
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: around the world. Dolores Blackburn presiding over the trials of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Thomas because I just bout butchered his name. There, Koskovich
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and Jason Vreeland witnessed first hand the spectacle that ensued.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: The usual proceedings of the courthouse transformed into a frenzied
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: spectacle as media outlets clamored for a glintse at the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: cold blooded boys who pulled the trigger on the innocent
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: pizza delivery men. For such a mundane and honestly, in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: my opinion, pathetic reason news trucks line the streets their
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: satellite dishes because yes, this is still the nineties, poised
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to broadcast every single grim detail to an eager audience.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: As the case unfolded in the courtroom, the term media
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: circus was often used to describe what it was like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and rightfully so. Regardless though as the world looked on
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: in a horrified fashion, the wheels of justice continued to turn.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Thomas faced a trial that showcased a litany of damning evidence,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and on April twenty third, nineteen ninety nine, the gavel fell.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: He was found guilty for the highness crimes of two
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: counts of murder and one count of robbery. On May seventh,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, just barely a couple weeks later, Thomas
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: was dealt the death sentence, but the State Supreme Court intervened,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: overturning the sentence. In two thousand and one. A subsequent jury,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: unable to reach a unanimous verdict regarding the death penalty,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: instead delivered a sentence of life in prison in two
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: thousand and two. Meanwhile, Jason Breeland faced his own recogning
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: before the eyes of the law. He was convicted on
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: December twenty second, nineteen ninety nine, of purposeful or knowing
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: murder of Galara, felony murder of Galara, aggravated mans salt slaughter,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: first degree robbery, second degree burglary, conspiracy, possession of a
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: firearm for an unlawful purpose, and possession of a firearm
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: without a permit. Jason's fate was sealed with a somber
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: pronouncement of life in prison, a fate he received due
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to his status as a miner at the time of
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: his crimes. So he most likely they most likely would
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: have sought the death penalty if it weren't for his.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Aide, because yeah, because he was seventeen or whatever, exactly.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, they didn't seek that because of his age.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, instead he received life in prison. On February
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth, two thousand, now, Attorney Solido offered an interesting
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: statement to the court regarding the sentencing that I want
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to touch on too. I use the word interesting very
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: heavily on this. So that attorney said, quote, no disrespect
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: to the victims, and I don't want to put everyone
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: on eq footing, and I'm not trying to do that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: But as far as my client is concerned, through his
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: own hand, he ended his own life that day at
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: such a young age of seventeen. I'm sorry. Yes, you're
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: disrespecting the victims. Yes, you're trying to put everyone on
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: equal footing, and you are trying to do just that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: because your client ended his own life.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: And another that's interesting, yes, Like yeah, like you said,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that's how you use to describe it, Like what the
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: actual shit, there's no comparison whatsoever.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like saying when someone says I'm not racist,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure you're about to say something racist.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, what you are? Yeah, or no offense, but yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I'm okay, something offensive is about to come out.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm about to offend, but like no offense.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I say that, that means I am not implicated.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Now I'm just gonna say the thing and it should
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: be okay. No.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the people that the victims, they they were
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: literally just doing their job. They had no idea what
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: was about to happen to them. Yeah, they had no
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: choice in that matter whatsoever, and they would never have
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: chosen that. And this guy fucking chose to do that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And now he has to face the consequences of his
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: fucking actions exactly.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And no, he didn't end his own life because he's
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: still fucking living. Guess what, those two drivers in the car,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they're fucking dead because of him. He ended someone else's life.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: This attorney piece of shit in my opinion.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I know sometimes I've always I mean, we've talked about
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: that before, the attorneys, like I know you, you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: everyone's what's the saying, everyone is, what's the saying, Like
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you're allowed to be represented, okay, or you have you
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: have the right to be Yeah, but gosh, have to
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: represent someone that's so shitty. I just I feel like
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: it'd be very hard to do, yeah, very hard, like
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a murderer to represent them. I know, I feel like
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, to send them to jail.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Like, in all honesty, I can make that sense, like
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I could off the cuff fucking make that sentence way
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: better and way more respectful. Here, my client did heinous
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: things that day. My client took the life of someone else.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Are they remorseful? Yes, I guarantee it. If they could
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: take those actions back, I know they would, and from
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: here on out they will be living every moment paying
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that retribution back because now you're dedicating me Maybe you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: should be, Maybe I should, I should because now you're
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: putting it in terms that, yes, they did something wrong,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: they're sorry, and they're gonna be living every day thinking
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: about that and paying towards that. I'm sorry this this attorney.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Just pissed you offly really.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Pissed me off.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Anyways, anyways, that asshole aside. Today, both Jason Freeland and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Thomas Kaskovic find themselves behind bars within the confines of
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: New Jersey's State Prison in Trenton. Their freedom has been
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: stripped away, their futures filled with incarceration. They both, however,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: are eligible for parole.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's what I was waiting for.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Jason will be eligible on October eighteenth, twenty forty four,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and Thomas will have his turn October twentieth, twenty seventy two.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Really, yes, how that's so long, Like that's like those
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: are actually like good sentences then, yeah, because I thought
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: that you were going to be like right around now
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: or next year or something. Nope, Okay, they do.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Have parole potential parole, but they're definitely good sentences because
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I believe I mean they were sentenced in twenty twenty
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one, so it's like forty two thousand sorry, yeah, wow, yes,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one and two thousand. So yeah, it's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: like forty and like forty four years and seventy one
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: years or something like that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Huh Okay, that's that's good.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that is a case of the pizza killers,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the pizza murders, the baby face pizza killers, however you
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: want to put it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: That is that hate the baby face pizza killers. That
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: name sucks.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: It does, but I mean it's fitting because of their
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: age though.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And if you look at photos of them, they do
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: they just look like kids. Man, it's ridiculous. I don't
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: know why, but lately I'm on this like string of
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: young people yeah and crimes.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Because it's just so interesting to me, Like did they
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: do they realize the consequences? Because it that just seems
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like such a ridiculous, fed up reason because I wanted
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to see what it was like. Like that doesn't make
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: any sense.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I think they are one hundred percent aware of the consequences.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I just think that they're naive enough to think they're
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: going to get away with it. I literally think that
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and this whole like they thought they were getting away
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: with the perfect crime. That's not anything I read. That's
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: my opinion put in this case because I do think
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: that they were thinking they were getting away with it
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: scot free and it was just an experience they did
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: together and brought them closer, and they're going to go
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: live on their lives just with this secret.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Of killing people. Yeah, how could you just go on
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: with your life?
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Clearly that's what they were about to do. They embraced
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: each other, said I love you man, and went and
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: did like the father Son Holy Spirit Cross outside of church.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah that I mean they were just probably like not
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: like high, but high on life from what they just dadling.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Ugh, that is just so disturbing.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder and I'm kind of curious if things
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: after this happened, if anything changed in regards to delivery people,
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: you know, and what they.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Their protocols for safety and stuff.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, because I mean you could literally
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: just call a person to your door now, like right now,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: a pizza delivery driver will drive up to your door.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Can This just made me think to like uber drivers
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: and stuff, right because you're always taught like, don't get
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: into strangers cars, and now you literally just do.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Use a fucking app Well your parents do Your parents
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: would tell you, yeah, don't talk to people on the internet,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: don't get in a stranger's car. Yeah, we married the two.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Now we contact a stranger on the internet and get
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: in their car.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, yeah, yeah man, I'm one of the ox
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: will saying I don't really feel like pizza. I'd rather
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: feel like, don't don't a donut because the duncan dot yes,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: fair enough.
• 41:49
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• 41:51
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• 42:16
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• 42:18
  Speaker 2: This was a brutal one. Yeah, I'm going to be
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: on my mind for a while.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: It was an interesting one, I think. Yeah, anyone out
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: there in the service industry where you're dealing with the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: public like this, going to someone's house, meeting individuals somewhere, relators,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: pizza delivery drivers, photographers, whatever the case be, stay safe
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: at the very least, make sure you know someone knows
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: where you are.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a big one for sure. Yeah, okay,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: well until next week. Until next week, stay wicked.