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Domonique Foxworth discusses Draymond Green crossing the line with Charles Barkley | 05.07 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: a hater. It's Thursdays with Dominique Foxworth.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 5: There's lots of reasons to hate you right now. One
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  Speaker 5: really big reason.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I apologize to Emmy. She
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  Speaker 3: in the back. But right now, Larry got to take priority.
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  Speaker 2: The NBA dropped the Larry O'Brien trophy off with us
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 3: Dominique, it come in a Tiffany bag.
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  Speaker 2: And what you can't see is that they got all
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  Speaker 2: the teams that have been champions. Their names is down
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  Speaker 2: here in the trophy, like going around.
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  Speaker 4: That's pretty dope.
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  Speaker 2: What.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it's super cool to have it on
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  Speaker 5: your desk, take a picture, holding to Larry. But like
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  Speaker 5: you at Harlem, I feel like you got to take
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  Speaker 5: it outside.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's a great idea. Two points on that.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, Larry is heavy. Number two, Larry is not mine.
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  Speaker 2: And number three, most important, the man that brought Larry
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  Speaker 2: is sitting.
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  Speaker 3: On the other side of that wall. To make sure
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  Speaker 3: nobody does anything silly with Larry. But I can see
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  Speaker 3: myself right here.
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  Speaker 2: And then Emmy over there with Larry. Like, it's a
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  Speaker 2: great shot that we got here with Larry. But let
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  Speaker 2: everybody know that it's serious in the field right here.
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  Speaker 2: The right time is a championship operation.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Congratulations to the right time on being home to the
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  Speaker 5: Larry for a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: It's awesome, man. It's pretty cool. We saw it last year.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty heavy, too.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to say, shout out to Dominique's Decency
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  Speaker 2: for not mentioning the day it actually had it the
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  Speaker 2: year before. But if I had waited just a little
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  Speaker 2: while longer, it was going to come up.
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  Speaker 4: I just said, I said saw it. I said we
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  Speaker 4: saw it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I wasn't even going to be mad, by the way.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. That's some sideways
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  Speaker 4: hating shit. To be like, a man is happy about something. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I've been doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When you look bad, like.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to guess who I sent a picture
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  Speaker 2: of this to whose response was, yo, what the hell?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the one and only. It's got to be Joe, right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the first text was, what the hell? The next
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  Speaker 3: one was, yo, what the fuck? Now, I think the yo,
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  Speaker 3: what the fuck might have been.
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  Speaker 2: Tied to something that came after it, but it's difficult
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  Speaker 2: to tell from the timing of the text.
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  Speaker 5: To be fair, that's not necessarily hate.
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  Speaker 4: Fair. You could just be like, oh, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 4: You could be happy for somebody. What the hell?
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 4: I see you play. That could be the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to take this opportunity right now to
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  Speaker 2: apologize to Joel Anderson for usually I'm 100% positive that
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  Speaker 2: he's hating. This time it was merely 75% and that
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  Speaker 2: is outside the confidence interval.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, that's not.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't put that in a publishable paper at 75%.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder, what is the confidence interval for Joe Hayden?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's... It's a steady state for that
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  Speaker 2: man in a lot of ways, right? But now he
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  Speaker 2: out in L.A., living it up right now. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to start this again. You know, I try to avoid
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  Speaker 2: getting too caught up in the media stuff for a
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  Speaker 2: number of reasons.
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  Speaker 4: However.
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  Speaker 2: That boy Draymond stepped in it on Wednesday night, didn't he?
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  Speaker 3: Did you see that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's on the heels of the River stuff, too,
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  Speaker 5: where it's like.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know. I.
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  Speaker 5: I hate to break it down to wins and losses,
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  Speaker 5: but I didn't feel like it went well for Draymond.
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  Speaker 4: That first one. The second one certainly didn't.
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  Speaker 2: No, this is what happened with Draymond. For people who
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  Speaker 2: don't know, he wound up going in it, getting in
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  Speaker 2: some sort of online back and forth with Austin Rivers.
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  Speaker 3: And he really went hard at Austin Rivers. Basically, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Discredited the man's whole career and said the biggest bailout
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  Speaker 2: of all time was when Austin's daddy gave him a
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  Speaker 2: $ 42 million contract. Draymond said he averaged the same number
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  Speaker 2: of points in high school that Austin Rivers did, da-da-da,
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  Speaker 2: and all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And look, you can say whatever you want about Austin
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  Speaker 3: Rivers as an NBA player.
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  Speaker 2: Austin Rivers as a high school player is a completely
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  Speaker 2: different discussion.
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  Speaker 5: I saw his response. He's like, I was the number
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  Speaker 5: one player in the country. That ain't charity. They don't
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  Speaker 5: just give that out. I assume that you got.
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  Speaker 4: A good name.
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  Speaker 5: It's going to get more attention. It's going to bump
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  Speaker 5: you up the list, but you still got to be nice.
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  Speaker 2: I need you to understand something. And I've not met
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  Speaker 2: Austin Rivers. I don't know how things have progressed truly
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  Speaker 2: as he has become an adult. I just know the
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  Speaker 2: ways that he affected people, shall we say, as a youngster.
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: It is difficult to make Austin Rivers more likable than
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  Speaker 3: you are. That's not easy work. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Draymond Green managed to do that in his back.
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  Speaker 3: And forth with Austin Rivers. And you'll have to look
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  Speaker 3: it up.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing that happened with Charles inside the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: I thought was interesting. Because Charles is making the point that, look, man,
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  Speaker 2: Teams that are old don't win. You don't win a
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  Speaker 2: lot when you're 37, 38 years old. And he was
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  Speaker 2: talking about this in the context of the Warriors. Like, look,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are old. This isn't sports for young people.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't how it goes. And Draymond out of nowhere
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  Speaker 2: came with the goal is to not look like you
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  Speaker 2: did when you played for Houston. And I think I
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  Speaker 2: know what happened. Curious if you read this the way
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  Speaker 2: that I did. Draymond's feelings were a little bit hurt
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  Speaker 2: or he was a little salty, right? In his head,
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  Speaker 2: it was time to tell a ha-ha.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: And when it came out, he was DMX. Told a joke,
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  Speaker 2: and nobody laughed.
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  Speaker 3: And you know why? Because it wasn't funny. It was
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  Speaker 3: just mean.
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  Speaker 2: And what Draymond, I don't think, gets is when he
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  Speaker 2: picks on people, it's mean. And nobody likes mean.
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  Speaker 3: And Charles... is.
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  Speaker 2: Not the most sympathetic figure, but what Charles is not
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  Speaker 2: is mean. The women in San Antonio are willing to
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  Speaker 2: yuck it up with Charles about him calling.
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  Speaker 3: Him big and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Because somehow Charles can do that and not be mean.
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  Speaker 3: This just landed as mean.
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  Speaker 5: So that somehow that you just threw out there is
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  Speaker 5: the part that is interesting to me. Because, like, I
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  Speaker 5: watched it and I thought, had Charles laughed or had
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  Speaker 5: someone around there had the reaction that I think Draymond intended,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it would have gone over that way.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the part that's interesting to me is I
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  Speaker 5: don't understand. And maybe it's about the person in the delivery,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't understand that. why that was so like,
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  Speaker 5: that felt like it was out of bounds because it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't really like they talk trash about each other all
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  Speaker 5: the time. Like that's part of the nature of that show.
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  Speaker 5: Why in that moment.
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  Speaker 4: Was Charles like, nah, like I'm not going to, they
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  Speaker 4: just were serious.
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  Speaker 2: I will, I will give you a reason why Charles
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  Speaker 2: did not respond in that way because what he said
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  Speaker 2: was wrong. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Holy crap.
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  Speaker 3: Totally, factually inaccurate.
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  Speaker 2: If there were pictures to be had of an old
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  Speaker 2: and fat Charles Barkley in a Rockets uniform, we would
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  Speaker 2: all have the same picture in mind because you would
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  Speaker 2: see it all the time. And you know how I
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  Speaker 2: know you would see it all the time? Because inside
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  Speaker 2: the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we show it all the time.
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  Speaker 3: We put it out all the time.
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  Speaker 2: That picture doesn't exist because Charles wasn't decrepit with Houston.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't any of the things that Draymond described. And Charles,
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  Speaker 2: in that time in Houston, did one of the most
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  Speaker 2: admirable things ever. Remember, he tore his quadriceps tendon in
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  Speaker 2: a game in Philadelphia. And he went through crazy rehab
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  Speaker 2: just to come back for the last game of that
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  Speaker 2: year because he refused to be carried off.
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  Speaker 3: In his last game.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like this one, it just, well, two things. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's part of it is that it was wrong. But
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  Speaker 2: then the other part was, hey, man, they don't fuck
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  Speaker 2: with you like that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the big one. That's the big one, because
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  Speaker 4: I think that he.
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  Speaker 5: It could have been interpreted as play like you played, which, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Charles wasn't bad at that point, but he wasn't the
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  Speaker 5: same version of himself that we, like, remember. He was
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  Speaker 5: lower on the pecking order. There were a lot of
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  Speaker 5: other people ahead of him. He tore his quad, as
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  Speaker 5: you mentioned, in Philly, like that. All that stuff... Or
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  Speaker 5: was it Phoenix?
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: It was in Philly while he played for the Rockets.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. So, anyway, the....
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  Speaker 5: The bad part about this whole thing is I actually
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  Speaker 5: thought that Draymond's response to the question was interesting and
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  Speaker 5: eye-opening and more honest than you expect from a player
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  Speaker 5: at that point. But it's all obscured by the fact
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  Speaker 5: that we were locked in on the fact that this.
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  Speaker 4: Part went, like, over poorly. But I think you're right.
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  Speaker 4: The bottom line is we don't play like that with you.
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  Speaker 5: If Kenny would have said that, I feel like, because
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  Speaker 5: they go back and forth with each other about the
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  Speaker 5: worst things, which I all, like, Friend groups, male friend
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  Speaker 5: groups in particular.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask this.
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  Speaker 2: How would that have gone over had he said something
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  Speaker 2: about nobody wants to look like Shaq in a Celtics uniform?
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  Speaker 4: Hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: If we can say whatever we want about Charles Barkley,
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that we cannot say is that man
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  Speaker 2: is unwilling to laugh at himself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: We will say a lot of things about Shaquille O'Neal.
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  Speaker 2: What we will not say is how willing he is
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  Speaker 2: to laugh at himself. Shaq would have come back at
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  Speaker 2: him with some of the meanest shit you've ever heard
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  Speaker 2: in your life.
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  Speaker 4: He would have.
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  Speaker 5: So Shaq is funny because he'll make fun of himself.
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  Speaker 5: which is different than laughing when you make fun of him.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Relatable content. Relatable content.
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  Speaker 5: Shaq will be more than happy to make fun of
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  Speaker 5: himself and Like, he put up his feet on the
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  Speaker 5: show last night. He took a picture of it. He's
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  Speaker 5: doing all those things. He'll fall down on purpose. He'll
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  Speaker 5: do all these ridiculous things so that you can laugh
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  Speaker 5: at him on his terms. But you're definitely not going
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  Speaker 5: to laugh at him outside of his terms. But they
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  Speaker 5: all make fun of each other.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't want to defend Draymond.
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  Speaker 2: I think Shaq would say the same thing that I say.
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  Speaker 2: And I think in part what Charles is probably thinking
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  Speaker 2: on this one. Oh, I laugh when things are funny.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And Charles did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Charles did the best. That wasn't funny.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Charles did the best possible thing, though, because I
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  Speaker 5: think my reaction would have been like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: fire back.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to go. I'm going to fire back with
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  Speaker 4: a joke or something like that. And he did.
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  Speaker 5: He just let it sit there, and it made it
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  Speaker 5: look worse and uncomfortable, and Draymond just had to power through.
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  Speaker 2: And Charles is a great teammate. Like, the decision to
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  Speaker 2: be like, nope, sit in this one. And then when
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  Speaker 2: Kenny was like, what does that look like?
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  Speaker 4: Kenny was dirty.
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  Speaker 2: And his response was, I saw it or something to
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  Speaker 2: that effect. And it was just like, nah, man, this
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  Speaker 2: ain't playing. Like it's a wild week for Draymond in
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  Speaker 2: this regard. I actually think Draymond got a bad rap
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  Speaker 2: about the stuff he was saying about Steve Kerr or
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  Speaker 2: for people who didn't see it. Draymond made the point that, well,
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  Speaker 2: it was a multi-tiered point and social producing rage bait
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  Speaker 2: jumped up, right?
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  Speaker 3: And what Draymond said was.
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  Speaker 5: For what my show did to you a couple days ago.
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  Speaker 5: I'm very sorry. I need to keep a closer eye.
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  Speaker 5: Because all the shit that I've said on this show,
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  Speaker 5: you never hung me out in the dry for clicks.
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  Speaker 4: We hung your ass out in the dry for clicks.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm very sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: Because it did happen. It did happen.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like, okay, we moved. But I thought this
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  Speaker 3: was interesting, though, with ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say something that you don't have to
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  Speaker 2: speak on when it gets to this.
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  Speaker 3: But.
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  Speaker 2: And Draymond said about Kerr, he was like, basically, this
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  Speaker 2: has been great, right? Like we've won all these championships.
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  Speaker 2: Kerr helped make my career in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 2: But he was like, but in some ways, I also
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  Speaker 2: feel like he hindered my career because he felt like,
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  Speaker 2: just like, by the way, every player in the NBA
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  Speaker 2: feels that they could have been a better offensive player.
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  Speaker 2: on another team or in a different situation. And Draymond,
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  Speaker 2: unlike most people, has evidence. When Kerr wasn't here, I
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  Speaker 2: was shooting 40% from three and was killing it. And
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  Speaker 2: our team won 73 games at the end of that season.
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  Speaker 2: I think they were like 39 and four. or something
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  Speaker 2: like that in the time that Kerr was not there.
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  Speaker 2: And so I didn't think he was saying that Steve
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  Speaker 2: Kerr messed his career up. He was saying, but I
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  Speaker 2: do think that I had a better offensive game than
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  Speaker 2: Kerr gave me credit for having. And in that way, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder what it would have been like. I
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  Speaker 2: thought that that was perfectly reasonable and that he got
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  Speaker 2: hung out to dry on that one by people who
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  Speaker 2: aggregated it.
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  Speaker 3: But this one right here, nah, dog, everybody was just like, ew.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I think you're doing.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like you're being generous in the way that
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  Speaker 5: you are like contextualizing the original statement because it was,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't remember the exact wording. Maybe I should
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  Speaker 5: look that up to be completely accurate. But I think
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  Speaker 5: what people had a hard time accepting from him is
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  Speaker 5: for someone of his talent level, his career turned out
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  Speaker 5: on the fringe, the high fringe of, of the bell curve.
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  Speaker 5: And so for him to look back at his career
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  Speaker 5: and imply, or not even imply, I guess the implication
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  Speaker 5: is that his career could have been better. And what
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  Speaker 5: he's saying is like, I could have been more effective offensively,
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  Speaker 5: but it's hard for me to imagine a situation where
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  Speaker 5: his career, given his talent, turns.
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  Speaker 4: Out any better. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's interesting because Draymond bought Tom Izzo
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  Speaker 2: a Rolex.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 2: And look, Draymond Green was an excellent, excellent college basketball player,
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  Speaker 2: but nobody saw it coming.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody saw it coming.
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  Speaker 2: The NBA, nobody saw it coming the way that it
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  Speaker 2: ultimately turned out. But the thing to remember, and we
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  Speaker 2: can't forget, is Kerr only started Draymond after David Lee
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  Speaker 2: got hurt.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That was never the plan.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think for Draymond, and I know this
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  Speaker 2: feeling when you feel like you're with somebody that you realize,
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  Speaker 2: or you feel like.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this cat never actually, like, really believed it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All right?
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  Speaker 2: Or at least not in the way, or Draymond's probably
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  Speaker 2: looking at it like, he don't believe it like there's
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  Speaker 2: other cats that's out here that believed it. That there's
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  Speaker 2: other people I could have dealt with that would have
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  Speaker 2: believed it in a much different way.
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  Speaker 3: And I guess, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's unreasonable, especially knowing that lead, for
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  Speaker 2: that guy to be like, but I think somewhere else
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  Speaker 2: I could have scored 17 a game.
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  Speaker 3: They all think that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they, of course they do. And that's
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  Speaker 5: like part of the reason why they're there. But I
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  Speaker 5: think that that's the thing with Draymond. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that's part of what makes him interesting is like he,
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if it's that he doesn't have
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: a filter, but he doesn't have like another voice in
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: there to like bounce these things off of and polish
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: it up. Because I think you're saying something different than
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: what it got experienced as. You're saying like, I could
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: have put up better numbers. what I think people are
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: hearing and then to name Steve Kerr specifically, not just say, yeah,
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: I imagine in a different situation, I could have put
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: up better numbers. He's saying I could have had a
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: better career if Steve Kerr.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't have hindered me.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: And that's the part that I think is hard is like, no, sir,
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: I believe that there is not a bet.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: Like there is not a better career.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: And of course, I understand him feeling like they don't
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: believe in my offense that much. But they believe in
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: you as core to this because of your defense and
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: your ability to be an offensive fulcrum.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: They moved on from a lot of people.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, they did.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: And not you.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: That was Austin Rivers' point.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. They moved on from a lot of people and
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: not you. You punch people in.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: The locker room and you don't shoot as well as Klay.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: I know Klay got hurt, but, like, they moved on
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: from a lot of these pieces. You are remaining. So, like,
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: that's a level of confidence. And I know that it's
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: not confidence in this offensive game necessarily, but we all know, like.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Kevin Durant. You was pissing off Kevin Durant.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: And I imagine that everyone knew that it was going
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: to be one of y'all got to go. And they
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: was like, we're going to stick by you.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: So that, I think I.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Hold on. Let me, let me read the quote to people.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: This is the money quote.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: As much as he's done for me in basketball, a
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: part of me thinks he's hindered me in my career
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: and what I could have become. You know, when I
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: think of who I was offensively as a player and
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: who I became, I think.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: A part of that is due to him. I don't
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: hold that against him.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's a.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Fair factual statement that maybe, but I think the, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: think what you're saying and I think it's fair is
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: maybe somewhere else they would have let him shoot more
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: or somewhere else.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: He never would have got off to Oak.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: He's, he's, he's like a point center. That's too small.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Like a short point center. Like it's a unique situation.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Like it's not to denigrate him. Like he is, incredible
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: you can't really compare him to anybody he's like a
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: incredibly unique basketball talent in a unique situation in time
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: in the NBA it worked out it just like that
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: that's the part that is hard to accept it's like
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: he hindered you you're a hall of famer bro you
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: weren't hindered.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: But you know what it is the other part too
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: about everybody having a podcast man words mean things yeah
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: and he picked a bad one yeah Right.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Like that's that's part of the gift of being able
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: to do this.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: And I think that people, especially when they talk about
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: guys going into media, we have this. The idea is
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: that you get the outspoken guys.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And they'll all be good on TV or a guy
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: that gives a good press conference. They'll all be good
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: on TV, TV or whatever it is. It's a different world.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: And especially with the.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Podcast stuff now that is so easy for people to hear,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: record it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And disseminate it. hindered is not the right word to
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: use under those circumstances.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And maybe you're right.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I'm a little generous in the sense that I look
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: at it like, hey, he probably meant a different word.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: But I, yeah, I ultimately, I come back to, it's like, yeah,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: he's right. Another situation, he could have scored more points.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: And it's also another situation. David Lee's day is healthy.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: He never gets off the bench. Yes. But like there,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: to me, at least there's no, I have a really
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: hard time. If Draymond's career is simulated 100 times, this
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: is 92.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody has done more with what they
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: had than Draymond Green.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: How could his career be any better?
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: I'm being generous in saying that there might be eight
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: simulations where this turns out better. That's just like if
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: he hits a game winner in the finals or something.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: It's one play swinging this. I don't imagine that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: That's true of everybody.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: There's so much luck in the success that anybody has,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: and you can look at it, but it's easier to
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: discount that luck when you have more traditionally obvious talents
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: for the field that you're in that his just aren't obvious.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: How much money do you think this man has made
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: in the NBA?
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: A quarter? Over a quarter billion, right?
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Close to a quarter. It's at 239.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Ooh-wee. I mean, go over that. Oh, this is country.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: value or how much he's actually made?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Contract value through the 2026 season.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Okay. So that means, yeah, he going to go over it?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: He got 27.6 left.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: He gonna go over it, then he gonna do it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Him and Tobias Harris. Tobias Harris amazing. Tobias Harris done
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: made something like $ 300 million that ain't never made first,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: second or third team. I think he got a vote
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: one year.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: A vote. One year.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: I used to like when I was at the football union,
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: before I went over to the basketball union, I remember
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: like every time basketball off season would happen, we would
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: have the blues at the union because all the football
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: players would be pointing to those numbers and be like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: our sport is bigger, this, that, and the other.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: And it's like, boys, the amount of money.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: The gap is so big now that I don't even
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: think football players get irritated by it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: You just can't. It's only a few of them. It's
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of money.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: And when we had that social media argument about who's
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: better athletes, football players or basketball players, it's like, I'm
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: a football player. And if you've ever been courtside at
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: an NBA game, it's them.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I remember when we talked about this on here and
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: your brother were not happy with you for not holding
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the line.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Like, they 6'7 and doing it, and they got the
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: hand-eye coordination to hit half-court shots at like a 50%
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: rate if you're not guarding them.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: And that's the boys who can't shoot. Yes. It's like,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: if you've ever been courtside at an NBA game, Yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you would know better.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me tell you something that's interesting, because
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I talked about the social media rage, but you can
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: find out, I did a video, well, I did an
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: interview with my buddy, Ethan Strauss, on his podcast, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I talked about the conflicting incentives of social media producers
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: and the talent that they deal with, because their game
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: is to get engagement, and engagement is generated by getting
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: people riled up, which is often counter to the aims
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of the host. And then, of course, they clip that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and put it on the internet to be provocative for
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the people.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: In a very similar way.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: It was ironic, it was humorous, but I admit at
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: first I was like, here these motherfuckers go. But anyway,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: SportsCenter's account, after they saw this discussion had become a thing,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the SportsCenter account clipped it and was like, it got
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: awkward with Draymond. and Charles Barkley. And it may have
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: had googly eyes or whatever it was. And I was like, see, see, see,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that's the shit I'm talking about right there.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: This is your talent. You are either making your.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Talent look like an asshole or you are co-signing this
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: erroneous thing.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: About Charles, but we gonna get the people charged up.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And I do want to do this right fast because
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: it does bother me sometimes when people denigrate what Charles
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: is because this quickly became a Draymond versus Charles. It
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: didn't have to be that in terms of what kinds
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: of players there were They were in everything else, right?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But Charles, in that last three years that he played
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: with Houston, or I think it's four years, but he
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: put up advanced statistics that were in line with what
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: he did in Phoenix, right? Like he was an excellent
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: player all the way until the end. And he's always
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: been perhaps the most unselfish dominant scorer in the history
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: of the game. And he dialed it back in that year.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: The problem was they was all old. They was all old.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: If John Stockton doesn't hit that shot in game six,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: maybe the Rockets got a chance. Actually, my favorite Charles
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Barkley with the Rockets moment ever is John Stockton, old
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: dirty ass, tried to set a screen on Charles once
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that he had enough of and Charles elbowed him in
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the chest.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: And they asked him what he was doing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And he said, I was trying to dislocate his shoulder
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: or break his rib.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: And everybody laughed. And he said, I'm not joking.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Excellent, man.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: I think that's so the Charles Barkley has like created.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: And I think that a lot of this is from
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Charles Barkley. The idea that the outspoken rash guy, I
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: think you can draw a straight line from Charles Barkley and,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: to the belief that Draymond is going to be great
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: in media.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Because it's like brash, outspoken, willing to say just about anything,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: but there's a, a humility and creativity that Charles Barkley
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: had that I think it was hard to, to, to know.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: And maybe I was too young to, to witness it
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: or understand it. And media was less like ubiquitous then.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: So you didn't see as much of the players, but like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I think people draw the wrong conclusion. It's like loud,
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: brash guy that offended the sensibilities of the mainstream.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's going to be great on TV.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: And it's like, nah, part of the problem with the
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Draymond experience, not that it's bad, he's good, but it's that,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: to your point about the social media stuff, they clip
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: them up in order to get engagement or to upset people.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: And it's oftentimes torn out of context. Nah, not with Draymond.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: He just talk like that.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Draymond is just a perpetual rage baiter, but he's not baiting.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: He just be raging people of.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: How he feels.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: And it's like, I don't know that people actually want that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: No, people don't want mean. Shaq's problem is that he
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: can be very mean. When it comes up, somebody steps
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: on him the other way, he can.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Be very mean. And Draymond, so, Dominic, you and I.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Talk about this, and I don't want to do this
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to talk about myself, but something that people don't grasp
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: about me, the reason my thing works is I'm not mean.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Like, I think that people, for whatever reason, believe that
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I'm mean, but you have no evidence, if you've ever
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: been around me, that I'm mean to people. Because it
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: just don't work. If you're not mean, you can get away.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: With so many things.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You are one of the most decidedly un-mean people that
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I've ever met. You could stand to be a little
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: bit meaner, to.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Be perfectly honest.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Fair point, fair point.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: But Draymond is mean.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you are.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: It's not only that you're not mean, you're kind, but
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: I think it doesn't come through.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: And I think we could point to... You are less.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: concerned with to me at least it seems like you're
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: less concerned with the way that people um interpret you
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: i'm putting it wrong but i think in part of
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: in part of the way i'm is comparing it to
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: myself in part of the way that i behave publicly
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: i am partially some portion of my brain is trying
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: to analyze how it's going to be received yes and
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: concerned about it being received the wrong way. I think
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: whatever part that is for you is just less engaged
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: where it's like, I'm going to do this. And I
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: think the wire clip that you had is like an
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: example of it where it's like, they saying dumb shit.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: I'm going to tell them they saying dumb shit and
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: then unpack their ass right here. And I think a
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: lot of people see that and some people see themselves.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: As the unpack-y.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Some people see ourselves as the unpack-er, and some people
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: see themselves as the unpack-y. And then they see that,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: which it's not the first time you've done something like that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: You do it on the beginning of your career with
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: a lot of Twitter, unpacking motherfuckers.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people are like, he's mean.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Because they're like, man, I'm going to say something dumb
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: and he's going to rip me up. Whereas I see
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: it like, yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Get them dummies. Yeah, get them.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I can be mean to people.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I like him. He getting them dummies. That's how I feel.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think I can be mean to people
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: who I think are mean to me, right? And I
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: guess maybe that's the thing with Draymond is his threshold
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: for what he thinks that somebody has been mean to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: him is very, very low. Like I would love to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: know formatively speaking, like his house or whatever it is,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: because he might got one of them houses where that's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: how they all talk to each other. Like, you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: when you meet those people and then you go to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: their house, you'd be like, damn, I can't even tell
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: y'all like each other. And then they get out in
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the wild and they like everybody else is just sensitive.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Now, I always tell people, this is a very important point.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: If on one side is everybody and on the other
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: side is you, chances are you are the person that
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: needs to move toward the norm. It's not always the case,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: but it's entirely possible that that's the space. And so, yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: when you get a lot of these guys, you can
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: be solemn, you can be stern, you can be all
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: these things. The one thing you can't be on television
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: is mean, especially not to, like, People love Charles.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: We let Charles get away with a lot of craziness.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Because we love Charles.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Charles, yeah. Remember when Charles had that show with Gale? Oh,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I do. Charles was going a political run.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Brother, I have a Charles story that's so insane that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I'd never tell it on the air because I love
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Charles too much to do this to him. But the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: fact that nobody did him in for it is like, oh,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: we just made a decision that Charles gets to play
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: by complete. Look, that first year of Inside the NBA,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Nothing has ever been like it. I could not believe
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the things that man was saying. Like he actually reeled
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: it in after year one. I could not believe it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: But then on top of it, the thing with Charles
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: was they would run practical jokes on Charles on television
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: that he.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Had no idea were coming. I wish, I wish you
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: would do that to me.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I wish.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Like, and when you go down there and do their shows,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you gotta be ready because the culture has been set
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: by the fact that we can do these things to Charles. Like,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: it requires, I think this is what also comes down
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to on those things. It requires a measure of trust. Like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: when I used to do shows with Dan and them,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't trust them like that, right? Them jokes ain't
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: feel gentle. Them jokes did not, like, it was kind
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: of like, so what do you want? so what you
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: trying to say right like that's it when it's trust
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: it doesn't go to the what you trying to say
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: part draymond has no trust from anybody on.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: This stuff that's interesting the trust thing is i am
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: consider that but i think you're right it's like they
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: are not trying to I've had, obviously I've done a
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: bunch on TV and I've had a lot of really
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: good interactions and experiences and like, I'll do a good
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: amount of like making fun of people, but there is
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: like some relationship and there's some times where it's like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: it doesn't, I've been had in a long time, but
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: there've been a few times where it didn't go over well,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: where I felt like I needed to apologize to somebody
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: because like, I, I recognize that we entertain and we
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: having a good time, but like, I think where it
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: comes from, the reason the need for apology, at least
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: from my perspective was because, It was mean and it
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: was clear that we didn't have that relationship, right? We
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: don't actually have this relationship.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: To do this.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: And also where it happens is when it's not reciprocated,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: when they don't have that, I don't want to say ability,
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: but like that nature, they didn't grow up in that environment,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: they aren't comfortable with it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: It ain't fun when.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: When one side got all the good jokes and the
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: other side is just back there looking beat upon.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you also got to recognize the weight of who
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: you are, right? Like there's certain.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Ways that I can't talk to people because of how
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: things land because of who I am within the ecosystem, right?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Like you and I have literally, and we've been doing
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: this now for a decade in various forms and fashions.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: We have never raised our voices.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: At each other.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Like not even a little bit, right? Like there's a disagreement.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Hold up, let me see. Like we have a level
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: of trust that is built through iteration.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I've done TV shows with people. and done radio shows
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: with people where the trust just wasn't there. And people
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: do not trust Draymond. That's what it comes from, punching
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: people in the face and all this other stuff. Or
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the thing with Kerr is people don't trust him. Like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I will see sometimes when something goes over in a
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: way that I don't intend online, and people's response will be, hey, man,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I've been listening to him for a long time. I
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: know what it is that he's saying right there. And
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Draymond has zero trust, zero trust. Speaking of trust, there's
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: somebody outside who has been trusting me with this trophy.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And so I am going to bring this trophy back
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to him. But first, I'm gonna give you one of these.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I hugged a tree this weekend, Dominique. It was so amazing.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I was out with my club and we was, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: they were like, yo, you gotta hug the tree.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I ain't gotta do shit. And
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: they was like, nah, you gotta hug the tree. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: And you know, when you loosen up and get into
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: hugging the tree, I kind of see the point.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: But I saw my homie, Brad, He was there with
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: his wife and she got him in the tree hugging.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: And man, he was hugging a big old tree.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: That motherfucker was out here all the way like this
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: from sea to shot to sea hugging that tree.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It was the funniest thing I'd ever seen. And I
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: was like, damn. But he looked very happy hugging that tree.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: That's a literal thing? I thought tree hugging was just like.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: No, I thought it was too, but I was out
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: there with some old woo-woo motherfuckers, man.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: They was all hugging. They were like, yo, you gonna
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: hug the tree?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Like, they were saying, are you gonna hug the tree
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: like you're not gonna get some water?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Like, it was the thing, but in absence of the tree,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna hug Larry a little bit. You know what
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I'm saying?
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: See you, Larry.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: You can get that picture in there. We got the teams.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: All around.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: It came in a Tiffany bag. I think I already
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: said all those things.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Did it come in a big box too, right?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: A giant box. A giant box with wheels. Did you
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: see that story?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say this right fast before we break.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: About the guy who had to check his Oscar. This
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: guy won an Oscar for best documentary and TSA made
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: him check it because they said the Oscar could be
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a weapon and then they lost it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: It was eventually found.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: That's nuts.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And look, they're not wrong.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Now, I would say if we found out that somebody
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: hijacked a plane because they beat the pilot over the
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: head with an Oscar, that would be some wild shit, right?
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: But, you know.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I assume, like, that's weird. I mean, because it's blunt.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: It's not like Emmy, the wings, I feel like, are sharp. Like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: a blunt weapon is weird. I could bring a dumbbell.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't tell me that was a wig.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, they would. Really?
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Man, I tried to travel once with a workout system
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: of sorts, and it had a bar.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, and they was like, nah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: No, they was like, you can check it and throw
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: it away.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I respect it. I mean, I might, yeah. I love TSA.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: It never fails. So I get the most love.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: That's true. That is our room. Those are people. You
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying?
• 34:03
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• 34:05
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• 36:31
  Speaker 2: are back with Dominique Foxworth. You told me you ain't really,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: you had never really been like super hip to Ted Turner.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was always aware of him. Like, yeah,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but not in like a particular way.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Nah, nah, nah, nah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: So Ted, Ted Turner passed away, I guess on Wednesday,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: or at least we got news on Wednesday. Ted owned
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: the Braves.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: So that's always been, that was always the thing for
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: me is that Ted Turner owned the Braves and he
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: owned the Hawks when I used to do that dumb shit.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Ted Turner is interesting in that he goes back to
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: a time where rich people were interesting and kind of fun.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: And by the way, he consistently said and did the
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: wrong thing in so many ways, right? Like Ted, have
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you seen the thing where they were talking about the
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Pope and Ted Turner told a Polack joke?
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Oh gosh.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, you know, it was a Polish
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: mind detector and pointed at his foot.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: He was talking about the Pope.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Oh gosh.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Ted is like, it sounds like at least, I don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: know his upbringing, but by how he used to comport
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: himself It sounded like he was self-made.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Well, let me give you a hint on that. It's
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: very interesting. So Ted's father owned a billboard company.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: He painted the... Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: And the billboard company became kind of the basis for
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: everything else. But this is the story that will tell
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you everything. And this is from Spencer Hall and Holly
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Anderson's newsletter, Channel 6. I cannot recommend that you do
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: this enough. I don't know who writes what at any
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: given point in time. So we'll say it's Spencer and Holly.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: This is the lead to what he had on Ted
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Turner that I swear if if if they did not
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: have this already on deck, this is another.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Wow. You amazing people. OK, this is the first two paragraphs.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Ted Turner kept the gun his father killed himself with
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: in his office desk. Sometimes during negotiations heading the wrong way,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: he would reportedly take it out and spin the barrels
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: as he held it against his head and say, now,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't really like the way this is going right now.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: At this point, usually, the negotiations would pivot in favor.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Of Ted and the gun would find its way back
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: into the drawer. This is obviously an obituary for an
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: insane person. In Ted Turner's case, insanity meant something very specific,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: believing in his heart and soul that he could be
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: in two places at once all the time.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: That's incredible tidbit, incredible writing, and also a reminder that
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: there's a thin line between it is there's a thin
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: line man there is a thin line all like innovation
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: and amazingness and progress happens at the fringes of society
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: and with fringe people but all the amazing and surprising
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: negative stuff that also comes from them same motherfuckers yes.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It does so ted's game and everything was to find
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: low undervalue assets like that's what channel 17 17 was
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that turned into TBS, for example, and then eventually became CNN.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: And that is that is the most world changing and
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: very few people in media have ever changed the world
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: themselves quite like Ted Turner did.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: With cnn and it looked.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Cnn started i want to say in 1980 or 1981.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: But it really really really bore fruit.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: In 91 when the gulf war came when everybody else
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: is going off the air and they showing the war
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the whole way because he has the 24-hour news station
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a station by the way where he had video prepared
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in case the world ended to run singing with a
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: band playing a hymn I will give you another great
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Ted Turner story. Later in life, Turner would attempt to
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: solve quantum issues in his personal life by installing a
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: rotation of four girlfriends. Each got a week on the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: calendar per month, which Turner thought was overly fussy, but
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: still the fairest arrangement. Now, when Turner was married to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Jane Fonda and keep in mind that when he was,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: we'll call it courting Jane Fonda was while he was
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: doing the Goodwill Games. And he was supposed to go
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to the Goodwill Games. But for the first time, he
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: felt like he had a chance to, shall we say,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: put the hay in the barn. And so he called
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the Goodwill Games people and told them, no, he would
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: not be making it there because he would be with
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Jane Fonda. But Craig Sager could take his place. And
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Craig Sager did. Ted Turner also. personally gave a billion
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: dollars to the united nations when the united states itself
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: wasn't giving money to the united nations right like uh
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: in this also spencer makes a good point a line
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: that jesse jackson had is that ted was insensitive but
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: generally fair and that's what it was like he was
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: that white man i talk about this all the time
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: growing up in some for real south the white man
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: that say the crazy stuff is sometimes a white man
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: you need.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: You, this is having not grown up in the South
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: and spent a little bit of time down there, enough
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: time to reaffirm stereotypes and caricatures of the people down
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: there that I had pre-existing. It sounds crazy, but like
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: you mentioned, we've been working together for more than a
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: decade now. And it's sad for me to say that
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: I was in my, I guess, mid-30s around then, or
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: early 30s. It was you who was like, hey, why
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: don't you take another look? You didn't say it specifically,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: but like take another look at the people that you
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: think got your back and the people that you think don't.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: And I think a lot of this is, obviously it
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: gets difficult when you are like policing people's words and
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: that's why I said it seemed like Ted Turner the
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: way he behaves is like he was self-made because he
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: don't know how to act and talk in polite society
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: and he never has cared to but that's the I
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: mean it's a reminder I think for us all it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: like yeah And just a word here and there is
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: the substances is different and understand not to say that
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: anybody is good or bad or whatever.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: It's just like jump to these conclusions. Yeah, it's meandering.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: But I've come to realize that some of the people
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: who say all the right things that profess to be
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: on my side. Much worse for me than the people
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: who say the wrong things and openly put themselves on
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: the other side.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yep. Every now and then Ted gets you on some talk.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I can't believe you did that, man. I can't believe
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: you did that. Other things Ted did that people can't believe.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Ted at one point named himself the manager of the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves. It only worked for one game before the
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: commissioner told him that they would take the team from
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: him if he would do something silly like that. Another
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: great Ted story is they had a pitcher. I think
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: his name was Andy Messermith. Messermith or Messermith.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Either way.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: His number was 17 or at some point his number
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: became 17.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: And Ted got the bright idea. Why don't you guys start.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Calling him Channel and create this nickname for him as Channel?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: And then how about we put on the back of
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: his jersey, rather than his last name, Channel? So it
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: would say Channel 17 on his jersey as advertisement for
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the team.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: And they were like, nah, Pippen, we're not going to
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, while Ted is the guy
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that gave this gazillion dollars to the United Nations and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: stood and said he was putting rich people on notice,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: he was going to call them and that we was
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: going to do our part and everything else. Ted is
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the guy who did those things. Ted is also the
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: guy who bought up all that land in Montana because
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: if he had it, then nobody could mess it up.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: There are people who truly believe that Ted saved the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: American bison in the United States of America. He was
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: a bold man with ideas. Ted also got kicked out
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: of Brown because he had a girl in his room.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Absurd.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: That really happened.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: I've been to Ted's restaurant and had a bison burger.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: that he preserved and protected. But yeah, like that's, it
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: feels like Ted Turner represents a type of like ultra
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: rich person.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: That we used to believe was real.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: And we no longer feel like believe is real where
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: it's kind of eccentric and fun, but ultimately at his core,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: a decent person says and does wrong things occasionally, but like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: it's not from a malicious place. I, I mean, I
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: think I was going to say not to eulogize.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Him, but like he is dead.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: So I think everyone is going to say more positive
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: things about him in general. But it seems more honest
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: than what I think we experience now with a lot
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: of like super rich.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, you know what?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: It's that he started as a kind of rich.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And in order to get his bread, he had to
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: do like daring carnival barker kinds of things.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Right. So I think it then, you know, goes like.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Like Ted used to be on all the like late
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: night talk shows and everything else. And Ted has real actual,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: had real actual jokes that he would tell when he
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: was around people. Like, no, he was a, they didn't
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: make a lot of dudes like that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: And again, we talk about the impact that he had
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: on the world.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: You can't really downgrade it. You can't really downplay it.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And by the way, when all the white people were
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: running out of Atlanta, I saw somebody make this point online.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: They're correct. When all the white people were leaving Atlanta,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Ted set up shop.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: In the city of.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And that's a very, very important thing for a city
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that was hugely affected by white flight.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: He was also, and this.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Is why I say it gets interesting, Ted was riding
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: for the Palestinians. Like, he played it as neutral, but
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: he was just kind of like, hey, man, you know,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: one side got an army, one side don't.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: To the point that I made earlier, how I say
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: crazy things on here, you always protect me.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: I'm about to say one. I.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: have been, like in the last few months, I think
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: I've never understood conspiracy theorists more than I do now,
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: is where you feel that something different is happening, but
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: you're watching and you aren't understanding it. When you brought
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: up the Palestinians, it's like, yeah, Remember when that was
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: a thing we heard about all the time?
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: And then with the way that the ceasefire has been violated,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: but we're being told that it wasn't violated. It's like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: I wonder how the rest of the world experiences this.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: And then this war that we're in, or I guess
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: it's currently on.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Break, that war. It started when we was bombing.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: schools man yeah and it's like i don't know and
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: this is the this is not to say suggest any
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: conspiracy theory but it's just i think what i was
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: saying why i feel like i sympathize with them more
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: than before is because i understand that there are decisions
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: made for what we will watch and read and see
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: and those influence the conversation and i imagine in the
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: rest of the world it's like America started this war
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: by bombing kids.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But here, all I'm hearing about is gas prices. Yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: It's like, I feel like a crazy person. Yeah.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: And then, like, eventually, years and years of feeling like that,
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: I imagine that at some point, I'm going to be like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: this is a massive conspiracy to hide.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: All this from us.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: By the way, in line with that, the contradictions of
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Ted Turner, he's the guy that was riding for Palestine.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And he was also Tomahawk chopping it up through those runs.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: His woman doing it with two hands. Because one Tomahawk
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: chop was not enough.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: They still doing that at FSU, right?
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: They still doing it in Atlanta, too. Oh, they are
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: still doing it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: In Atlanta, too? Yeah, they still doing it. Oh, yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: I guess they still called the Braves.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: They are still called the Braves.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Like, look. Did they take the Tomahawk off the jersey
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: or that's still there?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: They never did.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Only... that just tells you how wild it was that
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a team used to be called the red skids. Cause,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: cause that, that, that allowed everybody else to skate because
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: that was such a preposterous notion and they can't wait
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to bring.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: That shit back. Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: It's been, it's been noticed that they are going back
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: to a lot of the old aesthetic and they're taking
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: the name commanders off of a lot of things. Like
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: people believe that they might go with the warriors, uh,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: and not go all the way back to the original name.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think you can do that, right? Like, I don't,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: at least I don't.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know why you would want to. You're far
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: enough away now.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Like, what you doing? And nothing happened.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Like, you guys, everything kind of worked itself out. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: by the way, on Ted, we didn't even have a
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: chance to get into the wrestling. Like, there's a zillion
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: different other things.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: On this with Ted that we could have.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I would recommend there is a docuseries that I think
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: was done, duh, through CNN, but it's called Call Me Ted,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: which is based on his autobiography. that is on HBO Max,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: it's a bit sad. but very interesting, and as Spencer
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: makes the point about his autobiography, it tells a lot
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: about his penchant for adultery and a lot about his
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: struggles with mental health.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Like, it's a He was an American original, as they
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: often say.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: And when I was younger, I didn't quite get while
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: saying that about somebody could be such a big deal.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: But now I understand it in a much, much, much
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: different way.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Like there's something to be said about somebody when you
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: meet him and you're like, damn, they only made one
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: of those.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Or only one of those
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: made it.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: It might be the way that I would move your
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: words around a little bit and say that, yeah, I
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: think to go back to the Draymond conversation, it's like
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: there were 110 turners.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Only one of them turned out to be a success.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking of making it, who is trying to
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: make it such that the New England Patriots have to
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: get a new head coach?
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Because by the way, for the Patriots to be so boring,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: for all these years, they stay off in some scandal, right?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Like there's a flat out boring squad that's always in
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: some scandal. And for all the people that are like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Diana career over, but ain't nothing happening.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: To Mike Vrabel.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Something happened to Mike Vrabel every day in the news,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: which means something happened to Mike Vrabel every day at
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: the crib. And somebody really came with, maybe not the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: big joker. Maybe it's just a little joker. Maybe it's
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the deuce of spades. I don't know, but they put
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: it out that they was kicking it while she was
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: seven months pregnant. Who knew that Mike Vrabel listened to UGK?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: That is a reference that eight people listening to this
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: show get, and every single one of them thinks that
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that's amazing.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: But that happened. This has really happened. I don't think
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: he's going to be the coach on opening week.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: Our friend Charlie said yesterday when I was talking to
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: him that he would put money on Mike Vrabel being
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: the coach at Ohio State in four years.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they don't care about this.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: It's the perfect thing, too. Day is going to underachieve
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: just enough. Mike Bramble is going to be home for
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: a couple of years, and they're going to be.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Like, you're out of there, Day.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: It's the perfect thing where Charlie skipped to the beginning
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: or to the end of this.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: This just sucks, man. I don't know.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: I get that it was kind of funny to start
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: with like i i stopped laughing a long time.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I didn't think it would still be going on yeah
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: right so what's the funny.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: Or mike you're right mike is that somebody yeah this
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: stuff keep coming and like it's gonna be hard for
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: mike very able to continue.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And look i think there's a part of the misery
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: the two of them are enduring right now that we
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: ain't talking enough about which is i bet they miss
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: the hell out of each other right now Like, there's
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: one thing that might make everything better, and it is
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: not available.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: It's not on the board. It's not there.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: And I think, so, like, there's, I think that part
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: is super obvious, too, where it's like, they, it appears
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: that they weren't each other's side.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Right. It was a double main situation.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: Like, he was doing things that I cannot imagine happening
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: You know, like multiple hour, two person boat rides.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Like we going on vacations. Yo, yo.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: And she's, she, she out to here.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: I love you.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She out to here like that.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Ooh, there's, I just, and look the messiness of it.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I think for me in the beginning, I think that
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: this is, this is something that's universally funny to people,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: which is watching people get caught. That was the thing
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: about the Coldplay concert situation. It was funny because it
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: was so obvious that they had gotten caught. Relatable content
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: is getting caught doing something. Whatever the something happens to be,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: that is relatable content and how you try to get
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: out of it.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Remember when the Coldplay thing happened and everybody was like, no,
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: this is how you get out of it.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to brag about this
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: in front of your woman, but just saying. It's all
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: relatable content, right? Everybody can see that, but now this
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: is a for real Somebody doesn't want him to keep
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: coaching this football team, it feels like. They also, by
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: the way, the Patriots had the Stefan Diggs thing go
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: down this week. And that one I thought was interesting
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: in a different way. Because if you remember, when this
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: first came up, they didn't do anything, any sort of
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: discipline to him whatsoever. They just kept him out there.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And it was easy to go on the cynical, oh,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: it only matters if you're winning, right? But no, it
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: turns out that he was like, nah, dog, that's some nonsense.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And then it turned out to be some nonsense.
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: That was always the, the, the fight or not always
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: the fight. At one point it was the fight when
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: I was at the union with the league all the time.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: And that is a fight that we ultimately lost on.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: And I think it's probably better for the league as
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: a whole. And, but it's worse for, I think individual
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: players is like, no, we got to wait for the
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: legal process, man. You can't be out here punishing people
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: based on evidence that you have or, or ideas that
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: you have or, or, um, But the difference is I
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: was concerned with justice and the league was concerned with marketing.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: And it was like, no, this one random player whose
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: name 90% of the country didn't know, if he got
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: a whiff of anything, get him out.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Of here and protect the shield, as they say.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: And we can't have him out there playing on Sunday
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: so people talking about it the way that they're talking
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: about it. And I think that ultimately might end up
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: being the reason why the brave, like if this stuff
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: keep coming, it's like, I don't even know.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. How there's like no way they got to be together.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: That's it. That's the only way.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: It's like, I didn't have the heart or courage to
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: leave what I was in before, but this is my person.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry for everybody I hurt and how we can,
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: but then we got the boys, right? I don't even
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: want to talk about this shit, man.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Hey, bro, let me tell you. I just throw it
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: out here.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I ain't never seen nobody happier than that time I
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: saw TJ Holmes and his new woman together at the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Soho house.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: They looked at that. That's what love looked like right there.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: They was like, you know, the joke people tell on
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: the internet, don't let your marriage stop you from your
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: true love.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Like, that appeared to be that.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Like, I only brought it up because I do think
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: it's worth noting and it's important. It's become such a
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: football story because the nature of this scandal makes it
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: feel like this is not going, this isn't ending anytime soon.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: And I just don't know how long it can continue
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: to go without.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: But you know what helps? Going to the Super Bowl
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: last year.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that helps. That helps a lot.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if he had put up a Gerard Mayo situation, nah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, he won't be done even if he does
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: leave the Patriots. he won't be done. Somebody else will
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: bring him back in. He'll go to some more therapy.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: He'll have enough time off and someone will bring him back.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: If I'm skipping some steps, but like what he is,
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: it's different, obviously for Diana, she's in a much worse
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: situation where it's like, cause Mike's thing is not a
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: demonstration of him doing his job improperly or not being
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: able to do his job. But for Diana, like it's,
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: it's as implications on like, how she could do her job.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: And like with the way that media has changed, I'm
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: sure there's a lane out there for her if she
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: wants to take it.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I know her.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: That doesn't seem like a lane that she would be
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: interested in.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I just hope she moves out of that house.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I would. I would recommend.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: But you know what? Dominique Fosworth.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I'm always looking out, big dog.
• 57:20
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• 57:21
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• 57:23
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• 57:30
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