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Jim Bowden details Luis Robert trade talks, Alonso negotiations, Collusion speculation, Padres situation, Mariners budgeting · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: There's no money and they're projected to make significant losses,
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  Speaker 1: and so now he's looking at the team realizing his
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  Speaker 1: best shot for the playoffs of the wild card spot.
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: We're back with Jim Boden, analysts and insider for CBS Sports,
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  Speaker 3: joining us for a little session here with the front
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  Speaker 3: office focus. Okay, jb, I actually want to start with
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  Speaker 3: a little battle that we had last week between Steve
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  Speaker 3: Cohen and Scott Boris. So can you give us the
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  Speaker 3: tail of the tape? And who do you think won
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  Speaker 3: the fight when they put the boxing gloves on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, this has been really fun to watch this
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  Speaker 1: play out because Peter A Lonzo has basically no leverage, right,
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  Speaker 1: and Steve Cohen knows that who's also a great negotiator.
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  Speaker 1: But as they're trying to get to the finish line here,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to end up at a three year deal
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  Speaker 1: around seventy to seventy two million with an opt out, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I think both sides are close enough that this
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  Speaker 1: deal can get done when somebody wants to give. But
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  Speaker 1: it all comes down the structure. And I think when
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  Speaker 1: you study Scott Boris and I negotiated with him for decades.
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  Speaker 1: He's pretty predictable in his the way he thinks and
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  Speaker 1: the way he goes through a process. And I think
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  Speaker 1: if the Mets want to close the deal, you have
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  Speaker 1: to understand there's two ways to close the deal with him.
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  Speaker 1: Number One, you have to understand he wants to break
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  Speaker 1: a contract record. He's not going to do that in
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  Speaker 1: this case. He's not going to get the most years.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to get the most money. He's not
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  Speaker 1: going to get the highest AAV for a first baseman,
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  Speaker 1: so you can nix that off. Number Two, you have
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  Speaker 1: to give him a pathway to get the original contract
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  Speaker 1: he turned down or hit the long term deal.
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  Speaker 4: He was thinking he was going to give to get
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  Speaker 4: to the player.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you do that, Well, you give the
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  Speaker 1: player a short term deal with an opt out with
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  Speaker 1: a high AAV up front, and then you get him
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  Speaker 1: out and he gets the money on a second contract
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  Speaker 1: or a third contract for that matter, like he did
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  Speaker 1: with Blake Snell a year ago. Right, he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get him a six year, one hundred and seventy million
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  Speaker 1: dollar deal. He couldn't get it, so he signed a
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  Speaker 1: one year, thirty two million dollar deal with the Giants,
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  Speaker 1: he opted out, and then he got the five year,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty nine million dollars deal with the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers this offseason, which totals six years, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy one million, which is what he wanted the year before.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what he's trying to do with Alonzo. So
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  Speaker 1: if Steve Cohen and David Stearns can kind of look
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  Speaker 1: at this seventy or seventy two million however it's going
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  Speaker 1: to play out, and if they could find a way
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  Speaker 1: to front load the contract, if they can accept the
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  Speaker 1: opt out with maybe a little bit of a payment,
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  Speaker 1: if he opts out to get him on pace to
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  Speaker 1: be able to do the same thing he did for Snell,
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  Speaker 1: that will get the deal done at the exact same
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  Speaker 1: guarantee money with deferrals that they're talking about right now.
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  Speaker 2: That's incredible, man. At first, I gotta just give you
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  Speaker 2: a little credit to sweatch your right now that you're
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  Speaker 2: Ryan looks like you're about to go to a wrap
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  Speaker 2: Battle concert, and I respect that totally though. You're look
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  Speaker 2: him fresh. So if you want to spit a couple
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  Speaker 2: of lyrics right now, just let us know. Let me
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  Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the Blue Jays though, with
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  Speaker 2: this whole scenario, are they out of it now or
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  Speaker 2: is it? Is it just the Mets solely now you
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  Speaker 2: talk about leverage, is it the Mets only to get
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  Speaker 2: Pete or is it the Toronto's still trying to find
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  Speaker 2: a way to get them.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think Toronto's in there just to try to
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  Speaker 1: show that there might be leverage. And of course, the
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  Speaker 1: way the basic agreement is written, teams can't say we're
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  Speaker 1: out on this player, right, That's part of the agreement
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  Speaker 1: that's there in the CBA. So Blue Jays can't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, is it possible they could sign Alonzo.
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  Speaker 4: Move Guerrero to third?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, But my understanding is they're not in this thing
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  Speaker 1: at all, not that they don't have interest, not that
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't consider it if the price was right, but
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  Speaker 1: based on kind of where the Alonso camp is and
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  Speaker 1: where Pete wants to go, it doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 1: an option. You know, we've heard the San Francisco Giants,
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  Speaker 1: but Buster Posey is completely opposed to opt outs. He
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  Speaker 1: does not want them. That's a real philosophical in cement
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  Speaker 1: viewpoint that he has right now. In his first year
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  Speaker 1: running the Giants, so that's kind of out. The best
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  Speaker 1: fit for him is the Mariners, but they don't have
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  Speaker 1: any money, so they're not going anywhere. So you know, look,
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  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of options. This is a deal
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  Speaker 1: that I would be shocked at if it doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: done with the Mets. It's just a matter of both
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  Speaker 1: sides needing to give here at the end to get
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  Speaker 1: the structure so both sides can at least be satisfied. Look,
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  Speaker 1: Pete A. Lonso is going to lose this negotiation. It
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  Speaker 1: is what it is. But he needs to do the
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  Speaker 1: best he can to get the most money up front
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  Speaker 1: like Cody Bellinger did with the Cubs two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: which was another Boris client, and then be able to
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  Speaker 1: opt out in two years and hope that the market
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  Speaker 1: for first basement is better and that he can put
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  Speaker 1: up two years of forty home runs a year.
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  Speaker 5: What happened? What rule gets broken? More attachment forty nine
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  Speaker 5: or any other rule? Because Steve Cohen we were talking
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  Speaker 5: about the Steve Cohen stuff. Did he break the rule?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean technically I don't think he did,
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  Speaker 1: but I understand the viewpoint and the warning that's out there. Look,
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  Speaker 1: when you have no leverage, you need the owners to
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  Speaker 1: behave because you have no other place to go. So
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting here in this particular sit situation, grinding it out,
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  Speaker 1: and you want to get the warning out from one
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  Speaker 1: of the media members that hey, this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be in a violation. I can file a grievance and
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  Speaker 1: in other words, it's more of a warning to the
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  Speaker 1: owners stop it because you're affecting my negotiations.
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  Speaker 3: All right, JB, I want to take us to the
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  Speaker 3: San Diego Padres. I'm still befuddled, although I understand their
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  Speaker 3: significant ownership strife going on right now. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: we start hearing about cees at the beginning really of
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  Speaker 3: the off season. It sounds like it could be heating
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  Speaker 3: up a little bit. Michael King's name gets thrown around
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  Speaker 3: at one point it was Luisa Rise. So, hey, what
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  Speaker 3: do you think the Padres are going to end up
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  Speaker 3: doing this offseason as they've seen some of their very
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  Speaker 3: familiar faces go elsewhere like Kim and profile Profile. Sorry
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  Speaker 3: and B, do you think this has to do with
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  Speaker 3: the legal battle that's going on with ownership and that's
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  Speaker 3: preventing them from pushing forward with budget and positive activity
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  Speaker 3: versus trading guys off.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely an ownership issue. There's no money and
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  Speaker 1: they're projected to make significant losses, and so AJ has
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  Speaker 1: no money to work with. That's why he was hoping
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  Speaker 1: to be able to get Sasaki, even though he had
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  Speaker 1: a pre cut deal with the Dodgers. Apparently he was
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  Speaker 1: hoping to get Sasaki and hoping that wasn't the case
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  Speaker 1: because you put Sasaki with King and Cease and Darbish
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  Speaker 1: and you can still win. Right now, you didn't get Susaki,
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  Speaker 1: you got Muscrove that's going to be out for the year.
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  Speaker 1: And so now he's looking at the team realizing his
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  Speaker 1: best shot for the playoffs as a wild card spot,
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  Speaker 1: which he has a chance to but no Profar, no
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  Speaker 1: Kim as you mentioned, and no pathway that anybody that's
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  Speaker 1: making any money because your orders are the cut payroll,
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  Speaker 1: not thatad payroll. And then you've got the double contundrum
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  Speaker 1: in the fact that Okay lewis rise as a free agent,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan sees is a free agent, So now what are
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  Speaker 1: you going to do? So now you've got to go
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  Speaker 1: to the market and say, Okay, I can't extend either one,
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  Speaker 1: I probably with a year out instead of waiting to
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  Speaker 1: the trade deadline, should see what I can get.
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  Speaker 4: Now you go through that process, and you know, as the.
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  Speaker 1: Brewers learned a year ago with Corbyn Burns, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the price is Joey or Ts and dl Hall and
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  Speaker 1: that's best case scenario.
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  Speaker 4: That's all you're getting.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you're trading Juan Soto, so
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  Speaker 1: you know the trade value is not what it is.
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  Speaker 1: So then you say, well, what about Michael King. When
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  Speaker 1: you get King, you've got more control with him. Does
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  Speaker 1: that get it?
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  Speaker 4: So? I think the Padres are looking at it two ways.
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  Speaker 1: Number One, we could go for it, try to get
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  Speaker 1: a wild card Berth it doesn't work. We can make
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  Speaker 1: trades at the trade deadline to retool. Or let's see
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  Speaker 1: if we can't get six or seven prospects for three
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  Speaker 1: of our better players now and kind of start this
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  Speaker 1: rebuild now, because financially it's not going to.
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  Speaker 4: Get any better.
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  Speaker 1: They've also gone down the path of saying, hey, we'll
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  Speaker 1: trade one of our top prospects with Xander Bogarts if
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  Speaker 1: you take Bogart's contract. So they're trying to find other
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  Speaker 1: ways also to reduce payroll to try to afford to
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  Speaker 1: do other things. But you know, they put themselves in
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  Speaker 1: a tough corner and until the ownership either provides more
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  Speaker 1: resources or get settled, I don't see the Padres situation
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  Speaker 1: in the front office changing until that changes.
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  Speaker 5: Why have the White Sox not been able to move
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  Speaker 5: lubab Luis? Robert is still a White Sox. They have
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  Speaker 5: White Sox. I got the White Sox losing more than
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  Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty one games, and with Robert out
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  Speaker 5: of the lineup, they could accomplish that for me. But
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  Speaker 5: have you heard any what is getting in the way
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  Speaker 5: of that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely I have.
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  Speaker 1: So there have been some teams that have been in
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  Speaker 1: on Lewis Robert. The Cincinnati Reds Philadelphia Phillies are two
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  Speaker 1: of the teams that have had discussions with the Chicago
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  Speaker 1: White Sox. And what the White Sox want in return
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  Speaker 1: for Lewis Robert is they want too legitimate top five
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  Speaker 1: prospects in your organization. I mean, they want two really
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  Speaker 1: good players, and right now the teams that have talked
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  Speaker 1: to them are willing to give one really.
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  Speaker 4: Good player, but not two.
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  Speaker 1: The reason being, when you give up a top prospects.
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  Speaker 1: That's a sure thing. You know you're going to control
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  Speaker 1: them for six years, et cetera, et cetera. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: in the Garrett Crochet trade, they got two legit top prospects,
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  Speaker 1: the Catcherile Teal and the right field of Braid Montgomery,
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  Speaker 1: and they're hoping to get two more here, so they'll
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  Speaker 1: get four everyday players for the two stars that they trade.
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  Speaker 1: So I understand what they're trying to do. Now they
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  Speaker 1: haven't been able to do that.
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  Speaker 4: So now the.
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  Speaker 1: Question is the player worth two good prospects. I would
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  Speaker 1: argue there's a pathway to say yes. But let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the player, and then I mean Eric and Todd,
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  Speaker 1: you guys jump in on what you think of the player.
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  Speaker 1: So two years ago, we saw him at thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: homers his rookie year, we saw him win a Gold Glove.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen him steal twenty bags, and we've seen the
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous athleticism and talent that's there. We've also seen a
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  Speaker 1: guy that doesn't always show up. We see a guy
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  Speaker 1: that loses focus in the outfield. We see a guy
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to grind, doesn't seem to be one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent into the games now, partly because perhaps he's
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  Speaker 1: with one of the worst teams in baseball history, partly
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  Speaker 1: because there's no protection in the lineup. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of excuses that we can give, but if
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  Speaker 1: you're giving up two really good prospects, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: just a potential star player. I also want a guy
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  Speaker 1: that wants to play, that's a winning player. Because the
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  Speaker 1: last two years of my three year deal with him
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  Speaker 1: is going to be twenty million a year, which makes
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  Speaker 1: it more difficult to give up. So I think, what
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  Speaker 1: has to happen To answer your question, Eric, I think
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  Speaker 1: he has to get to spring training, that he's healthy
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  Speaker 1: and be performing at the level we saw two years ago,
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  Speaker 1: playing with enthusiasm. And I think if that happens, there's
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  Speaker 1: still a chance he's traded by opening Day.
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  Speaker 5: This is my universal sign for No, I don't have
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  Speaker 5: a big nose. It's I completely agree with you, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm only looking from the outside. The talent is there,
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  Speaker 5: but I could agree more with you. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 5: he's just he needs to show me he wants to
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  Speaker 5: go and play for the Phillies. He wants to go
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  Speaker 5: and play for a team that's contending, right, talent goes
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  Speaker 5: so far. Maybe maybe Todd has a different view.
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  Speaker 2: No, I agree one hundred percent. You talk about a grinder.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for those grinders. The guy that's going to
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  Speaker 2: come in early and show these young guys how it's
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  Speaker 2: really done, stayed later. Hey, I need I need ten
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  Speaker 2: to fifteen more flies. I need, you know, can we
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  Speaker 2: work on this? Come here, young buck. Let me let
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  Speaker 2: me show you how it's supposed to be done. And
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  Speaker 2: we just haven't seen that. So Ultimately, at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, it's it's now or never.
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  Speaker 4: If you want the truth, it's go time.
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  Speaker 2: The guy can hit and we all know that.
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  Speaker 1: So and then the thing you have to do your
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  Speaker 1: team is, you know, you got to have players in
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  Speaker 1: your clubhouse that can help get the most out of
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  Speaker 1: the player.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, you know, when I was a gym, I
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  Speaker 1: brought in a couple of players, Tony Fernandez and Benito
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  Speaker 1: Santiago that had a great talent, but we had some
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  Speaker 1: of the same questions about them. But I had a
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  Speaker 1: Barry Larkin and a Lenny Harris in that clubhouse, and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about it because they would
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  Speaker 1: be on those guys. And as as Barry Larkin told
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  Speaker 1: me one day, he said, you know, we can have
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  Speaker 1: one bad apple and be fine. We just can't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them. And so when you look at
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  Speaker 1: a Robert he is a good fit for Cincinnati. Put
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  Speaker 1: him in center field, but all the other outfielders platoon,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but have that power in that ballpark. It
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  Speaker 1: is forty home runs. The defense helps the pitching staff
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  Speaker 1: because it's not a great defensive team. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: really good fit. But do you have the guys in
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  Speaker 1: the clubhouse? Can Matt McLain and Ellie da Cruz? Can
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  Speaker 1: those guys get him? I know Terry Francona will hold
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  Speaker 1: him accountable, but those are questions that front offices have
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  Speaker 1: to ask. You know, do you have the guys that
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  Speaker 1: fit now? I would argue the Phillies definitely have that
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  Speaker 1: in Kyle Schwarbur and Bryce Harper. So to me, if
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  Speaker 1: I were confident that that guy could work there, I
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  Speaker 1: definitely feel confident with the Phillies.
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  Speaker 2: So last one for me, I want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: the Mariners a little bit and how they have this
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  Speaker 2: set budget. I mean, nowadays you're seeing teams go over
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  Speaker 2: the tax threshold. You see all this, I want to
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  Speaker 2: bring up Jerry de Poto a little bit. Man, Is
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  Speaker 2: he doing a good job or does he need to
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  Speaker 2: get after a little bit in the trademarket and finding
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  Speaker 2: guys that get on this squad. I mean, we've heard
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  Speaker 2: about the story by Mike Petriello about how their park
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  Speaker 2: is one of the hardest to hit in as well.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, what is ja Gerry have to do here?
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  Speaker 2: You know, with a set budget, I mean, is there
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  Speaker 2: more he can do?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean you have to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, the reason the Mariners are
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  Speaker 1: where they are is because of ownership not providing the
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  Speaker 1: money to win. And when you have the best five
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  Speaker 1: man rotation arguably in the American League, or at least
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  Speaker 1: top two in the American League, you should be not
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  Speaker 1: only in the playoffs, but a chance to win a
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  Speaker 1: World Series. And you should be doing everything you can
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  Speaker 1: to add two bats to a team that would be
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  Speaker 1: completely different with two impact bats. So the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you're not spending money now when you have a window
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  Speaker 1: to win makes no sense. Spend it now and make
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  Speaker 1: up for it three years from now or four years
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  Speaker 1: down the road when your team doesn't have the window anymore,
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  Speaker 1: so managing the long term ownership, it's a huge mistake
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  Speaker 1: what they're making now in terms of Jerry, Look, he's
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  Speaker 1: as aggressive as you can find. He hasn't gotten the
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  Speaker 1: job done, and this is a result oriented business. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there were first basemen traded this offseason that would have
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  Speaker 1: fit in their budget. Josh Naylor went from the Guardians
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  Speaker 1: to the Diamondbacks, Jake Berger went from the Marlins to
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  Speaker 1: the rain Both of those guys would have fit perfectly
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  Speaker 1: with the Seattle Mariners, so there were options out there.
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  Speaker 1: He also has seven players in the top one hundred
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  Speaker 1: prospects in baseball, so he's got prospects that he can trade. Also,
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  Speaker 1: a team like the Tampa Bay Rays of Yon di Diaz,
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  Speaker 1: who they would trade because they have Trade Morgan and
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  Speaker 1: they've got Xavier Isaac comming, so you know they would
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  Speaker 1: be open to a deal there, and they would love
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  Speaker 1: a prospect deal because the Mariners are loaded in that area.
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  Speaker 1: So there is more that Jerry can do. He also
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  Speaker 1: to get creative, whether he wants to or not. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, I know Louis Castillo's contract is too much
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  Speaker 1: for some teams right I mean, he's twenty four million
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  Speaker 1: a year and he's got several more years left on
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  Speaker 1: the deal. If you have to eat four or five
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  Speaker 1: million a year of it, then you eat it. I
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  Speaker 1: know Mitch Haniger's got a bad contract at fifteen million,
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  Speaker 1: eat half of it, trade him at seven and a
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  Speaker 1: half million.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: But you've got to find a way to get the bats.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't tell me that there wasn't a
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: time that you could have gotten Tristan Casts from the
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Red Sox, or Kobe Mayo from the Orioles, or Ryan
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Mountcastle from the Orioles for that matter. I mean, there
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: has to be deals that can be made. Jerry's been
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: one of the most aggressive gms since he got to Seattle.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: It's surprising they haven't done much. But I will say this,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: he is trying. I know that from opposing gms, so
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: he has been out there aggressive.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: But this is the time.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Really where an owner should wake up on the right
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: side of the bed and tell Jerry go get me
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Alonzo and Bregman tomorrow because I can afford both, which
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: they can.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: All right, you're on the inside of these deals. Last year,
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: Keik Hernandez came on here and said, ironically the same day,
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: within an hour, I got an offer for the same
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: amount of years and the same amount of dollars. And
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: this has happened to two other of my friends who
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: I won't mention again. Kind of that fringe type of player,
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: definitely a big leaguer, not a superstar. From your seat
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: as a GM, yeah, how can you explain this that
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: the Oakland A's and the Cincinnati Reds both offer two
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: years two point nine million dollars and not say it
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: is not conclusion, it is not collusion.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So this is the way I'm going to answer, Eric,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: is the following number one. Major League Baseball hires some
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: of the most expensive lawyers in the country. And ever
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: since you had that collusion in the eighties when pd
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Ubroth was the commissioner, the teams are very careful to
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: make sure that all of the lawyers go through everything
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the Commissioner's office and the teams do to make sure
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that they can never be.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Called for collusion.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Again, that being said, in this world, we all have
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: loopholes and everything we do.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: So how do you do a loophole? Simple?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: It is it is legal for teams to get from
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the Commissioner's office based on their data and research. Where
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: do you see a player's value? You know, here's a
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: particular player. What is ped Alonzo worth? Okay, Well, the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: AAV the way we see is twenty two million a year. Okay,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, ped Alonzo gets a
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: bunch of offers about twenty two million a year. So
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the Commissioner's office, the Labor Relations department, the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: thirty clubs all share similar information on all of these players.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: All of them are well aware of what everyone has
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: made in the past, how many years, how many dollars
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: they slot players in based on career performance, platform years,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: of where the value should be. And every time of
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: value goes beyond that, the industry gets really upset because
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: it changes the landscape for everybody else. That's why arbitration
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: numbers have always gone this way. That's why whenever you
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: get a superior talent like Juan Soto, all of a
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: sudden it goes to another planet. But when it goes
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: to another plant, they try to make sure the rest
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of the industry doesn't as best they can.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, look, if you ask.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Me to value a certain player and gave me three
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: hours to do that, I would come up to with
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a very similar year and dollar number that the other
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: thirty clubs would make. And if I'm going to make
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the same offer, I guarantee you the Blue Jays made
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the same offera as most teams on all.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: The free agents, because that's what they do. They make
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: market offers.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: The teams that actually get the free agents, like the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yankees and the Dodgers, they actually just pay a little
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: bit more to make sure they get them.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Making the same offer, then you're just putting it in
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: their hands. You want to actually win the player, you
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: got to go over the computer algorithm. It doesn't sound
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: that complicated, but apparently it is for some number crunchers. Well, Jim,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: on our way out here, we just want to give
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: a shout out to your son, Chad. You've got amazing
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: children who are super talented.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: But Chad just took.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Center stage with the way that he led Notre Dame
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to a title game, right, and he's the gem of
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: that team for the past what was it year or two?
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: For a year?
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was pretty quick to be able to
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: turn them into a ridiculous contender. And now he's going
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: to do the same operation over at USC and so
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: we'll be expecting to see them in some championship games
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: as well. But just we wanted to give a congrats
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: here on FT because I know Chad hustles, hustles his
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: butt off.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, it means a lot to me. I'll tell you.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: When he won the Director Recruiting of the Year award
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: in college football, he called me to make sure I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: knew that he did at a younger age, and I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: was executive of the ear and when he was an
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: am GM, he told me, I just want to remind
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: you I got there before you did, even though you
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: were the youngest in baseball history. I got there younger.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And then he reminded me yesterday that he's now being
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: paid more money than I've ever been paid. So, yes,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: he's a lot of success at thirty years old.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: I'm proud of him. He's done this on his own.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: He's worked hard.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And the only thing I taught all my kids is
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: someone's going to be smarter, someone's gonna be better looking,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: someone's gonna have more money, someone's gonna be more athletic.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: But the end of the day, the one thing you
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: can do is you can outwork everybody, and you can
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: surround yourself with better people than they can. And if
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you do both of those things, you will win. And
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that's the advice I gave him, and that's the advice
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that he's followed, and I'm glad it's worked for him.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean clearly, it's in the bloodlines.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: No doubt, GM and dream come true for a father.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Which is kind of like pro football these days. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: JB awesome catching up with you. We'll get you again
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: next week.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Sounds good. Appreciate you.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Jim Boden on FT. That was good.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: That was good stuff.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Obviously, I've been a big fan of boating for a
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: while because when you're a former general manager, you're often
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: looking for your next job. Back in JBS like nah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I'm a media guy, and he brings it to you straight,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: like that last answer with Krats. You're not going to
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: get that from really anybody else that worked in the
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: game that now is outside of the game, from a
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: front office.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: So I respect.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Analyzing analyzing Boris stuff like, look, this is how Boris
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: wants to go when he's not breaking a record. Hey,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: he wants to go to what he had offer. Hey,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: when he has that offer, you know, so it's really
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: compartmentalized and really makes it simple instead of being like,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: oh it's auspregnant. That again, three hundred million dollars. No relax, bro,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: like this is what he wants.
• 21:20
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• 21:58
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• 22:01
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• 22:06
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• 22:08
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• 22:10
  Speaker 4: So good job.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Just wanted to show show that a little.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Watch those fingers now that things careful?
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Now, I feel like he's he's pretty precise.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: No, without a doubt. It's that one.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: It's that one where yeah, I'm cuting levy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: What's going?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Oh a finger?
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Not?
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Well, just be careful. What did you did you cook
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: when you were playing? Or you were and were you
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: ever just worried doing like everyday things.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I have a couple of things, A couple of things. Yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I made I made a stupid decision one time by
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: using a knife. They cut open this plastic thing. I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: get it. It literally took a piece of skin off
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of me. I had to go to the hospital. It
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: was pretty bad. So it was like three weeks before
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the season and I still lose feeling in the tip
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: of my which your finger, that's good. I don't remember
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: this one. This one middle right there metal and I'm like,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: oh my god. My father in law was passed out.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: He wasn't like blood. It was pretty it was pretty yucky.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: That's why you don't give the middle fingers.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Just point you can't do it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Why chrass real quick? Did you cook or not?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Of course I did it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, he says it like he's better than everybody
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: else here we go
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: No, just better than you, old old nine finger Todd