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Israel Houghton: Love, Loss & Redemption ❤️ · Love You Moore with Willie Moore Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, listen, here's the bottom line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Adrian was not in my life when things fell apart in in our marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody back off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this vision is shattered and you have to bring this back to the children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember saying to Mariah, I cannot guarantee that I'll always be your mother's husband, but I can always guarantee that I'm going to be your father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've met so many mentally ill senior pastors, bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much trauma there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People staying together just for what people think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even in all of the upheaval in my life, man, and I could cry saying this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He still let me hear his voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: shocked me and I just still knew when he said peace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was like, I'm thinking of marrying this lady.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we are seven years later in our relationship and that's, that's the energy we're still on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey family, Willie Moore, Jr.
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[SPEAKER_03]: here and welcome to another amazing episode of The Love You More Show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get the esteem privilege to sit down with a gentleman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that I've really seen evolve.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so today, it's kind of a full circle moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I get the esteemed privilege to hang out with devil war winner, Stella war winner, Grammy award, listen, Israel Holter is hanging out with me today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on, champion?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, it's great to be with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I appreciate it, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, you know, I always love sitting down on you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, you know, the thing is I got a chance to speak to you last time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was like COVID.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then after we got through COVID, it was always on Zoom.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm just glad to really get the opportunity to have a two in person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's good to see human beings again in real time, real life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, you know, traditionally when we are on the show, I like to do an icebreaker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not a question, but we use music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want you to bring your attention to the screen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Check this out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you get tired of the same old saying waiting till the night come to do your thing I've got a proposition for your ladies today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now, times of the essence plan, I don't know the ways Why do you cheat together and make love in the data?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Close in the data, say, don't worry, and in the data, I see your support, I don't know, times of the essence plan, I don't know the ways Why do you cheat together
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I made some noise in the building.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Praise God.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you know the story goes that a lot of couples don't necessarily go to counseling before they get the opportunity to get better.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I chose to go to counseling before I decided to depart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, a few years ago, I was on radio.
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[SPEAKER_03]: literally standing in the gap for you because I actually love you as a brother and saying no, man, my brother, he did whatever he had to do to make sure that he handled this business correctly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In your, in your former relationship, was there ever a time that you decided to do counseling and therapy and try everything?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because, you know, sometimes when you're going through it, you kind of know on the inside when it's time to depart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But did you try to do everything that you could?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was important to me to be able to look at my kids in the eyes and say,
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[SPEAKER_00]: we did everything we could.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was that was really important to me because just to say, hey, it didn't work and we decided that I knew that answer would not suffice for my kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just the way they've been raised, you know, we've always tried to have honest dialogue with each other and so to be able to say, hey, this this was
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a challenge for us, but we also took the time to go to counseling and to really just kind of get the tools we needed to either stay together or to peacefully, you know, pull apart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so going through that process was very important to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would highly recommend it to any couple because, you know, take the relationship out of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've all heard that the example of you, it doesn't matter how nice a car you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't service that vehicle, it might look good, but it might not perform.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might not run well because you haven't done the standard upkeep on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so why wouldn't you do the same with the relationship, which is far more important than a vehicle?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Israel, you know, when I, when I look at that, so I was, was a seventeen year at the seventeen, how long were you married?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was married almost twenty, a little over twenty and five of those were in a, in a state of separation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How long did you know that it may need to be an opportunity for you guys to depart?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew very early on, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we made the decision to sort of, I don't know, fake it till you make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there was a better term for it, but there was, I've said this many times the people that I've talked to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you can't write IOUs to your relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and expect, you know, expect that you're going to go get to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember, dumb and dumber when he's like, that's better than cash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are IOUs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Briefcase full of paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, there's no value in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I can postpone the inevitable and go, we should deal with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should deal with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should deal with this until you've got a briefcase full of
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[SPEAKER_00]: paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have no real, you know, heft or weight to the value of your relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then trying to dig out of that is really tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I knew very, very, unfortunately, very early on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that this was out of time when my ministry was kind of taken off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the self preservation and the coward in me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: said keep keep the optics going and maybe this will figure itself out over time as you continue to write IOUs and then one day you just got to have that honest conversation that goes we didn't deposit this right we didn't steward this right we didn't deal with the things we had to deal with and then when we did go to deal with some of the things
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[SPEAKER_00]: It always depends on how bad do you want help and what are you willing to do to get that help?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're just willing to go to a session that says, this guy's a terrible guy and he's the whole reason for whatever's going on here, you're not going to get anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if that's actually true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in my case, it was fairly true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to be able to say, it takes two to work this thing out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the other party to kind of go, yeah, I'm not really interested in doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, you just go,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We we're going to have to we're going to have to pivot here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So someone you do have to make that very, very tough decision.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, you're very smart guy like I, you know, meeting you offline besides a radio interview.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, wait a minute, this guy's doing business, a strong deep personality to those of you who take the disc assessment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know that he's a driver.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a person who actually has a stronger opinion on where he's going, what he's going to do, visionary having all of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like what was it like for being a person who has a vision, now this vision is shattered and you have to bring this back to the children, because I know like I see you with a new baby.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh, wow, he really loves children.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that that loved and just magically appeared.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like how do you present this new narrative to your children?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, my daughter Mariahs with me today, and I haven't had to introduce anything to her because she's like day one for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's been attached to me at the hip since she was born, twenty seven years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think though, you know, I have two, she has two younger siblings who didn't get as much from me, and that's probably the biggest regret of just like, okay, I'm out pursuing what I'm pursuing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I get these moments with them, but it's not, it's not nearly what it is right now with, say, ever James, who I, you know, I'm out here on tour, but they're flying out every single weekend just so we're together because other three, four days is probably our max of like being apart from each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm far more present this time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But knowing my personality and the way, like you said, I drive, it was very important to take that time, especially when we had to come to the realization that it was over, to really just galvanize our relationship and make sure that we were good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was, that's the highest priority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember saying to Mariah, I cannot guarantee that I'll always be
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[SPEAKER_00]: your mother's husband.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I can always guarantee that I'm going to be your father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so let's put the emphasis on that in our relationship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Israel, you know, I was I remember the day big made as my producer in his time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he messy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm not messy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not on social media.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not doing all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I find it all the stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, he sends the text and he said, oh, look at your boy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, look at my boy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He sends me a picture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's you, you're in the ocean.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's with Adrian by line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The news comes out that you're with Adrian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it comes out in a way that's not not so premium proper as we do it in the kingdom community.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're actually looking for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're hunting out for this mysterious man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It becomes Israel halting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to make a public statement on Facebook, which I think you so eloquently wrote, and you didn't miss a comma of period, and it was grammatically correct.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, goodness.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How does Israel navigate this narrative where now I know you're so calculated that now the cats out the bat, and we have to play a little catch up on the announcement?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, since my divorce, I've made two statements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going back eight years now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've made two statements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, A, we've decided to divorce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate your privacy during this time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made that statement months after we were actually divorced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted my kids to get through the holidays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I made that statement, people are like, oh, wow, this must be now in fresh and this just happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, a couple months later, when they see me in Adrian, they're like, oh, she must have broken up this relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, that was the second statement I made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just said, guys, listen, simple math, you know, if you'd like to do the math feel free, but here's the bottom line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Adrian was not in my life when things fell apart in in our marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's somebody else responsible for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody back off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And since then, I've never made another statement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was important to help my kids understand the timeline and that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, some of the best advice I ever got was say what you have to say and then keep your mouth shut the rest of the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I've done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've allowed God to vindicate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've allowed God to validate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've allowed God to renovate my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was as painful as it was, Willie, I am so grateful for the process, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember we were sitting where LA and I'm like, oh, let's have some lunch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because by now I've done two years of counseling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and it's just not working.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you say it a lot of people look and they're just like, oh, this just happened overnight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, this is a five year process, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Two years of counseling in the home, a year of separation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't know that I had anything that was worth value financially until I had to, you know, go through a two year, two year divorce process.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh my God, like I would give anything to get out of this, you know, without all of this stuff going on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember sitting there with you and I'm asking questions and you know, strong deep personality is kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: So are you thinking about this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember you gave me the best advice and you told me just to stay true to your counseling and also stay true to yourself, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because struggling with called dependency wanting to get everybody so make everybody so pleased with everything that you do and having such a public persona in the Christian world that can be extremely unforgiving.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was almost like you being a beacon of hope of like
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can work after this, you know, because of course, you know, everything dies down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How did you deal with like, just all of everything just shutting down?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because our community is extremely unforgiving when we choose to make a decision, which that's really best for ourselves, as it pertains to like marriage and relationships.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a long time ago, people just felt like it was also their business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a public figure, then it is also their business, whatever your business is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the older I get, having crossed fifty now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go fifty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you reach a certain place and you've been through stuff, man, you just, the, what will people think of it all?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just loses its value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It loses its, its, its bite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at, and some point you go, ten years from now, will all these people that I'm trying to please still be
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[SPEAKER_00]: with me, will they be riding with me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if not, who is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to just surround myself with the people that I am mutually connected to that have my best interest at heart, whose interest I also have at heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just going to roll with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And man, the freedom of having five hundred friends whittle down to about seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is that would sound horrible to some people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the greatest reset in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been able to
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, unlike Drake, I've been able to add some new friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who are people who have kind of been through something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like the age I grew up in in church was sort of this very optics oriented like never let them see you sweat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've met so many mentally ill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: seeing your pastors grow like, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say that almost comedically, but like there's so much trauma there and there's so much trying to keep the balance going and people staying together just for, you know, what people think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I'm so concerned about worship leaders and pastors who's livelihood is attached to people's perceived
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[SPEAKER_00]: version of their walk with God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's right with God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take him out the platform.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does that guy feed his family?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that kind of stuff is wild because of the optics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when somebody goes, I'm getting divorced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I waited so long to even pull that trigger is I'm like, that's in our business, that was career suicide.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like you're done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for playing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You gave us seven good years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take care.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you might get a mention, you know, in the ad, you know, what's that section when people die?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in the dogs and they show your video, you know, they show your picture from eight years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People like us live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, remember the friend of God guy, you know, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, I don't want that to be the friend of God guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want that to be the footnote to my start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I want the footnote to be is like, this guy did good with with what he had to work with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most people in twenty sixteen in our industry pronounced him dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So God, there's a lesson in that that when people put a period next to your name, God tends to put a comma under that period and turn it into a semicolon and say, I have more to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The author of your story, if he puts a semicolon there, the semicolon is the purpose of that semicolon is to say, the author has more to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched God do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched people exclamation point myself and God just reconfigure that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so every day really is a blessing, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every day is a blessing, you know, I say this to my team often, like, you know, the grind of say a tour or just whatever can feel exhausting sometimes until you realize like, Mariah and I were walking through the concourse the other day and I said,
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[SPEAKER_00]: who's selling out arenas?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how fortunate has has has my life been that God is like, I still got more to say through you, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're on this arena tour with your brothers and your sisters and your friends and people are actually singing at the top of their lungs along to your songs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like at any point God could have just said, I'm finished with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would have been expected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody would have been shocked by it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have just been another one of those guys that you go, remember that guy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was his name again?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just it just passes right by and instead for whatever reason, God keeps refreshing this screen, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you talked about a part the parts of you that people thought, you know, like he's dead and it's over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know going into a new relationship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I see you now, it's like a total makeover.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the epitome of who you connected to really makes a difference.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Swag on a hundred and fifty thousand got a chance to see this amazing glow up come.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I want to just ask you what parts of you, if you can just be honest like going into this relationship because she's a she's a lot different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I didn't get a chance to meet the mother of your children.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, it'll be like a screenshot of Lake Wood and she, you know, wave or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But this woman is out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, cheetah girls on TV, just as successful, you know, as you are and just as known in her community as you are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, talk a little bit about the mentor adjustment you had to make when stewarding this type of warming correctly versus the warming that you had was more in the background and you were the champion and everybody knows Israel but that's Israel's wife.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: More love you more podcast after this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, our relationships start out beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The love is so intense in the beginning until life happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No matter how disciplined you are, temptation is everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we all have to fight with our internal monsters.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes we fall into the trap, and we hurt the ones we say we love the most.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As you get older, love one's pass away, and you left a little life with a void that you never really anticipated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For some reason, people never talk about the parts of you that die when you love one leaves the earth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so easy to lose who you are in the midst of all it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I lost myself because I forgot to love myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to take you on a journey and hope that you can learn how to love you.
21:53
[SPEAKER_03]: more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like talk a little bit about the mentor adjustment you had to make when stewarding this type of woman correctly versus the woman that you had was more in the background and you were the champion and everybody knows Israel but that's Israel's wife.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: His ways are higher than our ways is what I would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when we first, when we met and we were friends and hung out with our little friend group, we were so honest with each other in our conversations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those conversations were like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: not the conversation you would have with someone who you're trying to impress for a future relationship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, you wouldn't put in like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, why not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, because I'm clearly not good at this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is not my thing, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a thing.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and so she's like, well, I think you will so much so that she sent me, I think I've told you this story, but she sent me on dates with friends of hers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you tell me that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you should go lunch with my friend or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, so we go and, you know, it ends and
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, she'll call and go, hey, how did it go?
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, she's cool.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: She's pretty, but not really, you know, my thanks.
23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So she'd called them and they'd be like, yeah, he's cool.
23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He's funny.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, you know, he's nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He paid for the meal, but you know, it's not really my, and she'd be like, what do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's that, you know, she's like fighting for my honor with her friends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, your friends were like, you dated.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, that's really how this thing.
23:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So years later, everything.
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: She would tell me everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would tell her everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not the kind of stuff you send your representative to say.
23:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it was so unfiltered.
23:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And she'd be like, hey, this dude from the Philadelphia Eagles is kicking it to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of him?
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, he broke the record last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she'd be like, yeah, but he sent red roses and I don't like red roses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So and I was like, so that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just sent red roses and you're like off with his head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, yeah, kind of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like that was the kind of hang we had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just very matter fact and very easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So because we had gotten so much honesty between us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was fairly jeopardizing it, because it was very open and honest, and when did the live book go off?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, were you in a mutual friend of ours?
24:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mutual friend of ours named Angie said, I see something with you too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she, and so A, confided in her and said, well, I think I like him, you know, I think there's something there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Angie's like the only way you're going to know is if you kiss him,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the kiss was in Mexico that you referenced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't, we're never, we're the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had decided, okay, let's start dating and, you know, the rest of summer did you feel so?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, it became very obvious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then when the storm came of like her PR's calling or like, they want to know who this guy is, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't tell us, you know, I expected, I even told her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you should just say, hey, this is fresh.
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just recently got out of relationship and we're just friends and killed it.
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, you've been my friend for three years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to suddenly not be your friend now.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was kind of at that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm gonna marry you.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was like, like that moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like kind of, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: seven months later, we're married.
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So you come to the station and it's high.
25:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It's high.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, if y'all don't know Israel, Israel ain't talking about nothing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna stick to the script.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he feels comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the first time you really get in the room together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're like hanging and crystals with age.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And y'all can't get me.
26:15
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when you laugh, I said, that's gonna work.
26:20
[SPEAKER_03]: That's gonna work because it was so public like, well, he's this and he's dead and I just felt this energy and he's like, well, I'm getting married and then like he's loving he leaven came out and I was like, oh, he did it for real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it was on, but I just knew like it was something magical that you all had in that room.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And a list of men.
26:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like I had never seen you smile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, he's smiling much more.
26:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's smiling.
26:42
[SPEAKER_03]: He's smiling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not a goofy, smaller type of guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Deep personality, undertaker, he just came smiling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to really like her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, listen, I, I've always, if I'm comfortable, I'm going to be funny and loud and extroverted to some degree around a certain group of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, yeah, I am fairly introverted, fairly shy.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do well with a lot of
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[SPEAKER_00]: attention, you know, I don't do well with people swarming and going can we can you come here talk to my mom, you know, I I try my best and I try to be gracious in those moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've learned a lot from Adrian and that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's the best I've ever seen in situations like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's never rattled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has time for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She has the most generous spirit I've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I learned from that and adapt to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So but the smile is real, man.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: The laugh is real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The joy is real.
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody sent me a tour book just ironic that we're on tour now, but like a tour book from a tour I did in two thousand nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's my old drummer Mike Clemens and he's like yo.
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at this picture and look at this picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't do you like that.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, he's like, you look younger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty years older than you are now in that picture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just looked at that this morning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I won't do you like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, but I got a great beard.
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you talking about?
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no bro, you look young and vibrant and happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that's all true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's wild to see something from fourteen years ago and look older and just less healthy and just less, I don't know, with a little thing right there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I put this in post instead of just doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for not doing that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody needs to go look that way.
28:25
[SPEAKER_03]: So now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you suggest?
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[SPEAKER_03]: mature men to date younger.
28:40
[SPEAKER_03]: So did you wait for that or do you just kind of let nature just take its course?
28:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if I had waited, I'd still be waiting if I'm honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you went for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I'd still be waiting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I went for it because even in all of the upheaval in my life, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could cry saying this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He still let me hear his voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: shocked me, literally shocked me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just still knew when he said peace, I knew it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it like peace when it made no sense to have peace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was like, I'm thinking of marrying this lady, peace.
29:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking at seven years later and going
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to get too detailed with it, but like the moments we have now are the moments that I suppose people experience like when they're dating and it's hot and heavy and it's just crazy and it's just like I'm there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I won't sleep for hours just to here we are seven years later in our relationship and that's that's the energy we're still on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not, I'm not saying that for optics, I'm not saying that for anything but that's just real.
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I go back to the moment of walking through my little one bedroom apartment and God going, I'm with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it not making sense to anyone but God and to me and to Adrian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I look back now and go hands down the best decision I've ever made.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had to go live in a one-beer room apartment after all the day.
30:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was interesting to leave a, a very large house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Leave a car in Malibu to, you know, a one bedroom little apartment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've, I've told this story before, but I had, I had room in there for a couch and a little keyboard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a little bedroom in there and bathroom kitchen at or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I passed that keyboard every day for months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And God will be like, sit down and sing something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd be like, nah, I don't feel like I have anything to sing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I have anything to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet every day he'd be like, just sing to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ain't nobody here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was that kind of matter of fact conversation daily until one day I sat there and I just
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just started playing and I could hear and feel him go, ah, yeah.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just it took me back to my first weeks as a worship leader, nineteen years old not knowing what the heck I was doing and just sitting in my put my piano and my kitchen up till the story a million times sat at that piano and just worshiped God for hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know what I was doing knew about three or four chords on the piano and just tried to work it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but in those moments I had the most
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[SPEAKER_00]: incredible pure encounters with God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And here I am at my lowest place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All monies gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting calls from friends of mine in green rooms at conferences going, you know, they're killing you back here dot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're talking about you over this fried chicken for hours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, that guy, I thought that guy was my friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do just texted me yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he murdering you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're at your lowest and God is going, would you just sing to me?
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's this mentality that goes, yeah, but there's no lights and there's no microphone in here and there's no crowd to go, woo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yeah, it's just me.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And you reminded of this is how I started.
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was far more interested in being alone with God than I was on a platform.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched that whole thing flip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: back to where I couldn't wait now to just sit at that piano, sit at that keyboard, and that little apartment and just trust God again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hear him say, ooh, and all as opposed to crowds saying, oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What was the song that came out of that moment?
33:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, hey, do me a favor.
33:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, comment and shit, just like you real quick.
33:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, show me your appreciation and show.
33:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Do it enough.
33:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
33:22
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the song that came out of that moment that we may not know came out of that moment?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like home.
33:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like home and it's not even a single.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something we heavily singled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we named the record after it.
33:38
[SPEAKER_00]: There was just that song is very autobiographical, just prodigal sort of returning.
33:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like home came out of that, but it almost inevitably when I'd sit at the piano and felt like I had nothing to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Generally, one of two songs would come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great as I faithfulness, or to worship you I live.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one.
34:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
34:05
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one I got to know you before I got to know you.
34:08
[SPEAKER_03]: If you kind of weird when you said it.
34:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, man, I remember that.
34:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the, that's one of the strangest songs because it never feels old when I sing it.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Never.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I do it every night on this door and it never feels like, ah, I gotta sing this song again, you know.
34:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's got some renewable quality on it.
34:30
[SPEAKER_03]: We're sitting on the interview.
34:31
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are in New York and I'm on with a, and we're talking, we're interviewing you.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just like, oh, yeah, you were involved in that.
34:37
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're talking and we're doing that.
34:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And she says, wait, Willie, because the, the doorbell rings.
34:45
[SPEAKER_03]: man comes in with all these flowers.
34:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, hey, uh, if you, did you do that because I was on?
34:52
[SPEAKER_03]: She said, no, no.
34:53
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what he does all the time.
34:55
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what he does.
34:57
[SPEAKER_03]: It's roses.
34:58
[SPEAKER_03]: It's roses.
34:59
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not just like they weren't red.
35:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I could tell you that.
35:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely not red.
35:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely not red.
35:03
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, wait, and she has to go and do all of this.
35:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And
35:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, wow, he still pursuits are like like that.
35:10
[SPEAKER_03]: What would you say to a guy who may have been through a lot of trauma and his former relationship may not be in the person who was so in pursuit because, you know, maybe he pursued and it wasn't received with.
35:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I made peace pretty early with.
35:26
[SPEAKER_00]: This is who I am.
35:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And whoever's down with that great and whoever's not, I think that's okay too.
35:35
[SPEAKER_00]: What I found in Adrian was a partner who was down like.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't really had, she calls me Ricky Romance.
35:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is what you say.
35:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was gonna say never really had a Ricky Romance, you know, my mom.
35:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And he didn't feel right to call you, was he called you, man.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Romance.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I mean, at some point it goes from being a thing you do to just being who you are.
36:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, it's just who I am.
36:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm always going to pursue her.
36:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, at her job on Mondays, they know every Monday and the start of the week, there's going to be twenty two white roses in her rear.
36:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Not rear.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Not rear.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I read they white and it's twenty two of them.
36:18
[SPEAKER_03]: You love me.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: She's working that out in therapy.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good question.
36:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So therapy.
36:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
36:28
[SPEAKER_03]: You go together by yourself.
36:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Both.
36:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So I meet with an individual and this individual also has permission to speak to us both.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
36:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she can call him and he can call me, you know, like, hey, Adrian just called me and what's going on.
36:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've got that and then we have a couple's
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: like that quarterly for real, like get under the hood.
36:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's making a huge difference for sure.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in that seven year stretch.
37:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And they say every seven years, you definitely better take a harder look at what's going on.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've had the added blessing of the stress of the last seven years trying to have a child.
37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So you talking just the IVF journey and the fertility journey has hurt couples, has split couples apart.
37:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I have friends that didn't survive it.
37:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And for us, it had the opposite effect.
37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It like galvanized us.
37:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's so intertwined us like this is our battle.
37:40
[SPEAKER_00]: This is our struggle, but this is also our blessing.
37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, and so having therapy and having the tools to navigate a lot of those, you know, intensives, you know, to have one year where we're by coastal, you know, in New York and in LA with a with a toddler, you know, who just started walking.
38:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the easiest.
38:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll it'll test you.
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll stretch you for sure.
38:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to your point to have that kind of chemistry with somebody who just really completes your story, who strengthens where your weak and vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys celebrate that with each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't beat it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, Israel hold not always on in a pre-shature time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's, you know, what's next on the horizon?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're on tour.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We think you just kind of share a little bit of some of the back things because everything you're
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say everything, your feet are involved.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You may not see your hands all the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're executive producing different things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Always having your eye on the post of what Hollywood is doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Luckily, the strike is over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's time to really get back to work with the writer strike as a writer strike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also learned early on, especially
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[SPEAKER_00]: to bring this full circle when you're like, when did you know it was kind of time to go?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I knew that a long time ago, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I really started prepping even over a decade ago for there's a good chance that if you get divorced, everything falls off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: livelihood, opportunities, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I made careful investments, leading up to that and just making sure that my kids were always taking care of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of the most important piece to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to diversify that and not just be, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: My livelihood depends on if people like me that month and I'm not in the news for something crazy and I can still come to your church and sing my four songs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm very grateful that I don't have to do that in order to live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's just wisdom and diversification and real estate and things like that that are very important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because when I was with you, that phone was hit and it was like, wait.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, wait a minute, Israel's not the normal worship leader.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is out there doing some amazing things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But let me just say this, man, I really do appreciate you stopping in and being able to share your journey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel really honored.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, initially, I thought your gift was music.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But now I know that your gift is really to be transparent enough to encourage people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's why, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember calling Bishop Jake's all in with this when everything went down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I'm so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, no, you are so human.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I just went, man, everybody needs to hear that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there are, there are super heroes among us that are actually just human beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and have figured out a way to make you feel comfortable when you see them publicly or hear them publicly or they perform or pre-ture whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the truth is they're self-medicating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, fighting addiction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in relationships that are toxic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all those kinds of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes I just go, hey man, I didn't go through the hell I went through just to go, hey, I made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You all good luck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but instead to go, hey, there's actually hope here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I discovered that God is good all the time and all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God is good when I needed him the most when I expected him not to be good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead he was and so kind and continues to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think people just need to know that I think a lot of us got a got the wrong view of God, whether that was taught to us wrong or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is he is a good, good father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to be able to emulate that hopefully as a believer and in the life of my children, that's what I want to do and encourage somebody along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, congratulations on this new life, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, I don't even have to put a ball in this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do me a favor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Put a subscribe, share this with as many people as possible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My prayers that you were encouraged today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so honored that we get an opportunity for people to be hot on this open and transparent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know about you, but my son, I'm not as blessed right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so thankful that I got a chance to hang out with the one and only Israel holding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Coming up here really, really soon, there's some new things that are happening with our live shows.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you're going to get an opportunity to get a live experience.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to have college, college, college, and we're going to sit down and really, really answer all your questions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there'll be a plethora of surprise guests who step, who step in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's Zoom or they might just pop up on set, but I tell you what, I'm going through my roller decks with anybody that I know who can add value to you in the areas of misunderstandings and relationships, breakups, divorce, and their journey to loving themselves more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Chetters with as many people as possible, subscribe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Lord, you know I gotta keep your real with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what I want you to do is I want to make sure that you share this, you comment, you click like, engage with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, everybody wants to be celebrating.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not just tolerated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just tolerated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Celebrate us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like you, sharing, and commenting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can't do it without you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's clicking.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do that for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See you next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let out love you more love you more love you more love you
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[SPEAKER_01]: you.