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Humanoid Robot Border Patrol | ‘Medical News’ with Dr. Jim Keany · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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Speaker 2: Talk of Money CAMPI am six forty handle Here. It
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Speaker 2: is a Wednesday morn evening morning, August nineteenth, coming up
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Speaker 2: at eight thirty at the bottom of the hour, it's
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Speaker 2: doctor Jim Keinsey Kinsey, doctor Jim Keeney with Medical News
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Speaker 2: as our medical segment always hits on Wednesday at that time. Okay,
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Speaker 2: a couple of things we are following, and I just
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Speaker 2: did this story. The La City Council has rescinded camping
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Speaker 2: bands on dozens of locations. So the camping bands that
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Speaker 2: said homeless people cannot camp here near a school, a park,
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Speaker 2: et cetera, well that's now been gone. That's been lifted,
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Speaker 2: so now they can. Homeless people are going to be
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Speaker 2: near your neighborhood soon. Okay, There's something going on I
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Speaker 2: want to share with you, and that has to do
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Speaker 2: with g Why don't we have some accountability in our
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Speaker 2: lives which we seem to not be having. There is
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Speaker 2: a live shopping app. Are you familiar with that, Amy,
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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with live shopping apps? Nope? Nope, yep,
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Speaker 2: yeah exactly. Neil familiar with it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one download, but I've never used it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I've seen videos.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me explain what they are. Live shopping apps,
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Speaker 2: which by the way, is one of the fastest growing
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Speaker 2: shopping platforms in America. It allows people to bid around
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Speaker 2: the clock on trading cards, squishy toys, designer fashion, even
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Speaker 2: instant ramen. And it's done live on the app. And
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Speaker 2: it has tapped into addiction addictive qualities of social media.
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Speaker 2: And of course there are those who are very upset
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Speaker 2: about it. Those people that are in the addictive well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I guess the addictive world where they deal with people
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Speaker 2: who have this disorder. And it's an algorithm controlled scroll.
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Speaker 2: Users don't have to search for a particular item. It's
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Speaker 2: like QVC, but instead people hope to hit on something
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Speaker 2: being on the app at the right time. And what
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Speaker 2: it does is supercharge traditional shopping sites like eBay and
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Speaker 2: Amazon with a high pressure countdown. It's an auction often
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Speaker 2: run by hosts who urge buyers to bid higher and faster.
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Speaker 2: And then you have shows that are built around breaks
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Speaker 2: where a person buys an opportunity to win an unknown,
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Speaker 2: potentially potentially valuable collectible So what you're doing is you're
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Speaker 2: bidding on basically a box, an empty box, and you
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Speaker 2: don't know what's in the box, and it could be
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Speaker 2: something really valuable, sometimes not. It's okay, Now, are you
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Speaker 2: addicted to it? All right? So you're addicted to it,
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Speaker 2: that's your problem? Is it my problem? If I own
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Speaker 2: the app? There is an app called what Not and
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Speaker 2: it's going to surpass a billion dollars of revenue this year,
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Speaker 2: adding twenty million new accounts, and it's only seven years old,
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Speaker 2: and it's being nailed because it is taking advantage of
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Speaker 2: addictive personality. For example, you have to buy right now,
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Speaker 2: otherwise you're not going to get the offer. Boy, I've
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Speaker 2: never heard of anything like that. If you buy now,
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Speaker 2: you get x percentage off. If you buy now you
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Speaker 2: get two one two for the price of one. I've
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Speaker 2: never heard that. And if you dump into if you
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Speaker 2: jump into that, I convince you to buy right now
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Speaker 2: for a discount. I am taking advantage of your addiction.
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Speaker 2: You know, at what point do you say? Come on, well,
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Speaker 2: let me tell you what. There's an expert on deceptive design,
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Speaker 2: Mark Leiser. He said, the chaos and speed of these
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Speaker 2: auctions means there is no meaningful moment of decision. When
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Speaker 2: do we have to decide that you have to have
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Speaker 2: a meaningful moment of decision? When did that come about
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Speaker 2: where I have to watch out for you and make
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Speaker 2: sure you think things through. Now there are times where
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Speaker 2: and laws, for example, the three day law that allows
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Speaker 2: you to cancel certain consumer contracts. Why because there was
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Speaker 2: such high pressure that was put on. Let's say you
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Speaker 2: have someone has come out and sells you sighting or windows,
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Speaker 2: and you sign the contract. You got three days to
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Speaker 2: say no thank you, because there was intense pressure on
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Speaker 2: that because that was door to door, that was face
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Speaker 2: to face pressure. This isn't this is you go on
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Speaker 2: the app or you don't go on the app. And
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Speaker 2: it's somehow deceptive? I mean, I guess in one sense
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Speaker 2: deceptive And they take advantage of people who jump into
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Speaker 2: into shopping spreeze. Wouldn't that mean QVC also should be
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Speaker 2: put out of business because they take advantage of people
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Speaker 2: that you got look at the countdown, Oh my god,
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Speaker 2: you only have three minutes. You have two minutes to
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Speaker 2: buy and you buying their Addics out there who have
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Speaker 2: a problem with this, are they are we hearing about
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Speaker 2: shutting down these shows, of course not. And this is
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Speaker 2: just one of those ways where we're trying to figure
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Speaker 2: out our society is trying to figure out. Don't you're
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Speaker 2: addicted to shopping. Therefore, we should make sure that you
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Speaker 2: are watched, You are carefully monitored in terms of the
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Speaker 2: way you shop. There should be no spontaneous shopping. Huh. Okay,
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Speaker 2: it's a thing too, by the way, Oh, just to
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Speaker 2: let you know, just to give you an idea, A
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Speaker 2: couple of guys who started this whatnot started it as
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Speaker 2: a way to trade collectible basically Pokemon cards with an
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Speaker 2: auction site. They came up with this. They're doing a
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Speaker 2: billion dollars this year. They get six percent of the take. Man,
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Speaker 2: have they scored big? Wow? It's just huge. All right,
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Speaker 2: enough of that, go ahead and shop your brains out.
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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. I don't think it's anybody's business. Now.
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Speaker 2: Robotics are hitting us at a level that is almost
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Speaker 2: impossible to keep up with. Neil, did you mention the
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Speaker 2: Dodgers by the way that you have to do?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I could do that right now.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's eight thirty five. No, we'll do it
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Speaker 2: the next break. Okay, never mind, Yeah, I'll look at
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Speaker 2: the timing anyway. So there is a company we talk
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Speaker 2: about humanoid robots, and it is talking about joining federal
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Speaker 2: agents patrolling the southern border. It's a robotics company that
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Speaker 2: was an interview with Fox News. The founder and CEO
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Speaker 2: Sankete Puthuk, and the companies called Foundation, and he says
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Speaker 2: he is in talks with several national security agencies. He says,
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Speaker 2: we're in conversations with all all of them, all nationals
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Speaker 2: or almost all of them, Air Force, Navy, Army, DHS.
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Speaker 2: We continue to have dialogues. We're starting to negotiate contracts
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Speaker 2: some applications now. A DHS Department of Human Services spokesperson said, no,
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Speaker 2: we're not informal negotiations. But here's what Pottag says. His
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Speaker 2: humanoid robots, which took an awful lot like people, that's
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Speaker 2: guy they call my humanoid robots can conduct reconnaissance and
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Speaker 2: surveillance in terrain that can be difficult for humans or
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Speaker 2: for vehicles, or for drones or for fixed cameras to navigate.
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Speaker 2: And as he pointed out, if drones and watchtowers were
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Speaker 2: able to solve forever thing, why do we still have
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Speaker 2: humans at the border in the first place, he says,
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Speaker 2: because it is very difficult to do what a robot
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Speaker 2: or a robot can do. And he said that the
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Speaker 2: humanoids will fill the gap between what super technology does
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Speaker 2: and what is being done now. His robot, the Phantom,
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Speaker 2: can distinguish humans from other obstacles, can traverse uneven terrain
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Speaker 2: we're talking about autonomously, map is environment, and what the
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Speaker 2: goal is is to map those and do the reconnaissance
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Speaker 2: functions autonomously, and then when they find something a group
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Speaker 2: of illegal aliens, for example, crossing the border, then the
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Speaker 2: humans are called. He also pointed out there are tunnels
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Speaker 2: along the border, which is another application because his humanoid
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Speaker 2: robots would explore underground operations, which can be very dangerous.
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Speaker 2: And this I tell you we've reached the point now
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Speaker 2: where it's one of those what can you imagine will
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Speaker 2: be able to be done right now? Are there limitations? Well?
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Speaker 2: As Neil pointed out, if you look at this video, man,
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Speaker 2: you'll see robots that look sort of human. They look
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Speaker 2: like you, have a head and arms and legs which
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Speaker 2: they move. The arms and legs move like humans do,
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Speaker 2: run twenty eight miles per hour, dance, ice skate, roller skate,
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Speaker 2: do flips. They can mimic or actually do karate for example.
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Speaker 2: But what they can't do yet and they're working on
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Speaker 2: that is if you look at some of the way,
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Speaker 2: for example, some of them washing dishes and then drying
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Speaker 2: the dishes, which is insanely complex to do, far more
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Speaker 2: than being able to run or being able to jump,
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Speaker 2: because you're mimicking hand movements which the roboticsn't have them
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Speaker 2: coming even near to approximating. If you look at what
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Speaker 2: your hands can do, move your fingers around and grasp things,
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Speaker 2: use your opposable thumb, if you have one, you'll be
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Speaker 2: able to do things that a robot could never do.
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Speaker 2: And when you see what robots do with that, it's
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Speaker 2: very rudimentary, it's very jerky. It just doesn't do well.
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Speaker 2: That's the last vestige of technology. But when they get
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Speaker 2: that down, man, now you're talking about caregivers. You're talking
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Speaker 2: about robots that can sweep the streets, do all manner
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Speaker 2: of work that is being done now manually, manual labor.
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Speaker 2: And then does it reach the point where, for example,
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Speaker 2: it does surgery instead of a surgeon, you bet, and
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Speaker 2: it's going to do a better job of it, and
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Speaker 2: it's going to be more precise, and it's going to
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Speaker 2: be able to read exactly where that knife goes. It's
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Speaker 2: robotics are here in a big, big way. And Neil,
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Speaker 2: did you mention you almost bought a robot?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 1: Okay, but yes there were some that came out. They
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Speaker 1: were about twenty grand. The only thing is at this
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Speaker 1: point they need a human. They need a human by
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Speaker 1: way of cameras to teach the robot to wash dishes,
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Speaker 1: to do laundry, and so now you have to have
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Speaker 1: someone you don't know coming into your house and mapping
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Speaker 1: your house via cameras and so. But yeah, I was
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Speaker 1: very curious about it, you know.
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Speaker 2: And as always, just like videotape, why did videotape become
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Speaker 2: so popular? What was the first use of it or
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Speaker 2: first use of cable was, of course in the sex
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Speaker 2: work industry. That's where it all starts, and the first
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Speaker 2: robots that are coming out go there. Because I'm going
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Speaker 2: to point something out because I also read about robotics
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Speaker 2: in that way, and the only thing that's keeping that
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Speaker 2: particular industry from going is that those hard metal edges
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Speaker 2: are just very difficult to deal with. Okay, let's check
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Speaker 2: in with doctor Jim Keeney, chief medical officer for Dignity
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Speaker 2: Saint Mary Medical Center, Long Beach and a board certified
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Speaker 2: er doc for thirty semi years. Jim, Good morning, money Bill. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get I guess half political, half medical, and
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Speaker 2: half legal. And I'm talking about the Lindsey Clancy trial.
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Speaker 2: She's been accused, as admitted as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 2: killing her three kids, strangling them little ones, and her
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Speaker 2: entire defense is that basically she's not guilty by reason
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Speaker 2: of insanity, and they're bringing up all kinds of witnesses
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Speaker 2: and one of the major tenants that they're bringing up,
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Speaker 2: one of the major positions that the defense is coming
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Speaker 2: up with is some kind of hormonal imbalance, that she
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Speaker 2: is mentally ill, which I think she is and that's
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Speaker 2: what made her do it. So let's talk about that
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Speaker 2: part of depression and all that. Is that measurable at
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Speaker 2: all or is it all anecdotal?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's an interpretation based on criteria. So
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Speaker 3: you know, the psychiatrists will look at criteria for a
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Speaker 3: postpartum depression such as a profound sadness. It's just not
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Speaker 3: being sad. It's profound sadness, hopelessness, suicidal thinking, and then
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Speaker 3: kind of intrusive thoughts, right, or repetitive thoughts that you
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Speaker 3: just can't get out of your head, and they can
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Speaker 3: even kind of disconnect a little bit with reality, but
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Speaker 3: at the same time understand that these thoughts are not real,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, as opposed to psychosis, where
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Speaker 3: they don't you know, they hear voices, they don't understand
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Speaker 3: that those voices are not present. They actually believe those
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Speaker 3: voices are present with them in the room. So there's
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Speaker 3: a big difference. And I think that's they're trying to
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Speaker 3: blur the lines there, because postpartum depression doesn't make you
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Speaker 3: kill people and it's not going to make you criminally insane.
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Speaker 3: And that's the differentference here is they're trying to blur
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Speaker 3: mental illness with legal or criminal insanity, and they're two
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Speaker 3: different things.
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Speaker 2: Right, So let me ask I want to go in
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Speaker 2: the direction of medicine on this one. The way you
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Speaker 2: describe the diagnosis is a psychiatrist looking at what someone
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Speaker 2: is doing. There's no test, for example, is there connection
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Speaker 2: between psychosis and mental illness based on let's say a
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Speaker 2: hormonal level that you can measure. Is there anything scientifically
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Speaker 2: you can plug in that would give one side or
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Speaker 2: the other some credence?
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Speaker 3: Now there's no objective test, but again, these criteria are
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Speaker 3: pretty unique. Right. So if someone is reporting regularly that
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Speaker 3: they're hearing voices, the voices are commanding them to do
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Speaker 3: certain things, there's only one real diagnosis. It's one lane
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Speaker 3: of diagnosis is a lane of psychosis. It could be
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Speaker 3: bipolar disease with psychotic features, and there's all these you
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Speaker 3: can you can slice and dice that psychosis into different diagnosis,
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Speaker 3: but it lands in the big category of psychosis. You're
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Speaker 3: disconnected with reality, you know, you're not. Schizophrenia is one
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Speaker 3: of those diagnosis. People believe that that's like two personalities.
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Speaker 3: It's not. That's something different. Schizophrenia is a disconnection from reality.
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Speaker 3: So when you're hearing those voices, that's really objective. Now
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Speaker 3: there's things that will lead you to believe that that's happening,
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Speaker 3: and the person's lying about it, because a lot of
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Speaker 3: psychotic people will lie about their psychosis to their caregivers,
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Speaker 3: so they don't want people to know their voices. But
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Speaker 3: you can, you know, you can see like imagine somebody
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Speaker 3: who has an earpiece in and all of a sudden
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Speaker 3: they are hearing something in their ear. You can see
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Speaker 3: that on their face, right, It's pretty obvious, I think.
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Speaker 3: And so when you're in the room with somebody who's
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Speaker 3: hearing something, you can tell you you can look at
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Speaker 3: them and you can see that they're hearing something, so
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Speaker 3: you don't need them to be truthful to you, always
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Speaker 3: to make the diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: Okay, And then before we get to the next segment
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Speaker 2: where we're going to talk about a lot more medical issues,
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Speaker 2: pure medical issues, I want to point out that as
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Speaker 2: Jim was describing psychosis and paranoid activities and just viewing
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Speaker 2: reality and non reality, it's up to a jury that's
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Speaker 2: going to make that decision. It's not a medical doctor,
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Speaker 2: it's not the judge. It's a jury that's going to
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Speaker 2: say she is insane or not insane, because that is
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Speaker 2: a medical that is a legal decision. And here's something interesting,
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Speaker 2: a little factoid. The rule of which someone is insane
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Speaker 2: legally and then is not convicted is innocent by reason
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Speaker 2: of insanity was in the late eighteen hundreds, the mcnoton rule.
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Speaker 2: It's still an effect today. It has not changed. And
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Speaker 2: it says either you don't know what you're doing at all,
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Speaker 2: or you do know what you're doing and you can't
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Speaker 2: appreciate that it is wrong. Those are the two issues.
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Speaker 2: And Jim, I think that's the case with you being
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Speaker 2: on the show for the last thirty years, that you
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Speaker 2: do fall under the magnot and rule before.
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Speaker 3: I know what I'm doing and I know it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are innocent by reason of insanity. And that's
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Speaker 2: not to say they walk away. I mean they're obviously
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Speaker 2: put in a mental institution for usually the rest of
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Speaker 2: their lives. Jim, Harvard body parts theft, I mean, I
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Speaker 2: just love the headlines and Harvard and body parts. Does
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Speaker 2: that mean if someone who's an amputee will not be
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Speaker 2: allowed into Harvard because they know that doesn't work? Explain
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Speaker 2: what this story is about.
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Speaker 3: Please, So basically, you know, Harvard Medical School accepts donations
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Speaker 3: people who donate their body to science, right, And what
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Speaker 3: happened was they had a long time manager, like he
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Speaker 3: worked there for thirty years, and he was diverting some
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Speaker 3: of these body parts to the black market and selling them.
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Speaker 3: Him and his wife were selling them on the black
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Speaker 3: market allegedly, And I mean, I guess we don't have
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Speaker 3: to say allegedly he's in an he's in eight years
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Speaker 3: for federal prison and his wife got twelve months. So
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Speaker 3: you know essentially that it's shocking, right because you know,
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Speaker 3: you donate your body to science, you think it'll be
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Speaker 3: treated with respect and that it'll be cared for, and
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Speaker 3: especially a big name institution like Harvard. Yeah, I would
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Speaker 3: expect they would have the systems in place to prevent this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not shocked. I'm more entertained than anything else.
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Speaker 2: But when you donate your body to sign but we
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Speaker 2: wea is there a market for body parts? And what
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Speaker 2: parts are worth? What?
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Speaker 3: Who?
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Speaker 2: Why is this?
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Speaker 3: You know this guy's been doing it since twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 3: so he's saying brains, skin, organs, accected heads. Ooh, you
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Speaker 3: know there's there's a market for this, I guess anything.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and donating your your body to science also a
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Speaker 2: lot of people don't know that those are the bodies
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Speaker 2: in many cases are used in your in your medical
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Speaker 2: school autonomy right and not anatomy courses. And so there
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Speaker 2: you were, you had your body right, and you and
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Speaker 2: your friends had your own body. I was about to
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Speaker 2: ask you what was the name of your body?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Fred, Fred?
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Speaker 2: And how yeah? And how old was Fred when Fred died?
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Speaker 2: And what did Fred die up?
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Speaker 3: So you know, now you're asking things years and years back.
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Speaker 3: I remember Fred, but I don't remember what he died
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Speaker 3: from or how old he was. I do remember the
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Speaker 3: dissections that we did to this day more, you know, vividly.
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Speaker 3: And you know, that's what shocking is because most medical schools.
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Speaker 3: In our medical school, it was literally like a Morgan there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they you know, it's quiet, it's it is
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Speaker 3: very respectful. The people running the anatomy lab insist on it.
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Speaker 3: And the minute, you know, because you're talking about kids
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Speaker 3: who are in their early twenties, it's pretty easy to
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Speaker 3: get to have people that age start kind of horsing
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Speaker 3: around or telling jokes or laughing, and you're kicked out
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Speaker 3: for the day. The guy walked up to you and says, leave,
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Speaker 3: leave for the day. You can't come back. And that's
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Speaker 3: a big deal in medical school because it's like a
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Speaker 3: fight against time to get through that dissection and learn
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Speaker 3: everything you can about that body. So being asked to
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Speaker 3: leave for the day is huge, and so we took
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Speaker 3: it very seriously. And people have a lot of respect
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Speaker 3: for those bodies.
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Speaker 2: I'm now going to share with you. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if I did share this with you. This is an
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Speaker 2: absolute true story and it's very handlesque and you're not
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Speaker 2: going to be at all surprised. So I was invited
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Speaker 2: to see an autopsy by a doctor at UCLA, and
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Speaker 2: it was when they brought in a man. I died
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Speaker 2: of divert diverticulitis I think in kidney failure I think
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Speaker 2: is what he died of. And as the autopsy was
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Speaker 2: moving downwards, if you were to record what I said,
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Speaker 2: it literally was look at the size of that thing.
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Speaker 2: That actually happened. By the way, Jim, I just want
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Speaker 2: to point that out.
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Speaker 3: I believe it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I swear that happened. All right, Jim, Thanks
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Speaker 2: as always. We'll catch you next Wednesday. Doctor Jim Keeney
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Speaker 2: our er doc over thirty years, been with us. So
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Speaker 2: we're getting old, Jim. We are, Yeah, we are all right.
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Speaker 2: That's it. We're done, guys. Coming up tomorrow morning we
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Speaker 2: start all over again. Five am wake up call with
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Speaker 2: Will Cole Schreiber and Amy Neil and I jump aboard
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