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Episode 47: Jeff Provenzano, Skydiver · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Hey, hrdler is welcome to episode forty seven of Hurdle,
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  Speaker 1: a podcast that talks to everyone from top CEOs to
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  Speaker 1: entrepreneurs about how they got through tough times hurdles of
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  Speaker 1: sorts by leaning into wellness. My name's Emily Abadi, and
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  Speaker 1: today I'm sitting down with the one, the only, Jeff Provenzano.
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  Speaker 1: He's a skydiver, a base jumper, a wingsuit pilot with
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  Speaker 1: more than twenty thousand jumps insane. I know he's a
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  Speaker 1: good friend of mine and we happen to both be
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  Speaker 1: hurdle to dive on. In speaking of diving, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about Jeff. I was introduced to Jeff not too long ago.
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  Speaker 1: We do the occasional bickram Hot yoga class here in
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  Speaker 1: New York City, and I was sitting down with Marcus
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  Speaker 1: and Tebby, the founder of Juice Press, and he suggested, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: why don't you.
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  Speaker 2: Sit down with my friend Jeff. Well, yeah, he's one
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  Speaker 2: of a kind.
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  Speaker 1: And it's so funny because born and raised in the
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  Speaker 1: New York area, but talking to him, you'd swear.
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  Speaker 2: The guy was from the West Coast.
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  Speaker 1: He studied at New York City's School of the Visual Arts,
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  Speaker 1: but the last thing.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted to do after college was get a job
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  Speaker 2: in graphic design.
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  Speaker 1: After tackling his first tandem jump with friends, he was
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  Speaker 1: absolutely hooked, and in today's episode, we talk about the
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  Speaker 1: hurdle moment he faced postcrad deving head first put intended
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  Speaker 1: into his passions, relocating to Arizona and buying a trailer
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  Speaker 1: to work at the Number one skydive school in the country.
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  Speaker 1: This guy's one of the pioneers of the high speed,
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  Speaker 1: high stakes skydiving discipline of swooping and just can't get enough.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about a lot of good things today, including
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  Speaker 1: how he hooked up with the Red Bull Air Force,
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  Speaker 1: what it's like to train government agents, and the insane
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  Speaker 1: jump heeded landing on a barge in the Hudson River. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: dot us and today I'm just going to get right
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  Speaker 1: to it with that. Let's get to hurdling. I am
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  Speaker 1: so amped to be sitting here with Jeff Provenzano. He's
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  Speaker 1: a good friend of mine and he's also a skydiver
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  Speaker 1: and Red Bull sponsored athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 3: What's up? Emily? How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm great.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff and I usually get to connect in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: but we're both on the West Coast, so why not
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  Speaker 1: do it here right now?
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  Speaker 3: I know, this is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: This is awesome and it's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: I actually, uh, last week sat down with Marcus and
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  Speaker 1: Tebby and Marcus was like, you need to sit down
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  Speaker 1: with Jeff, and I thought, I sit down with Jeff sometimes,
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  Speaker 1: but we never sit down for hurdles. So now's the time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh cool, now's the time, Now's the time. He had
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  Speaker 1: very good things to say about.
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  Speaker 3: You, Marcus. Yeah, oh man, I've known that guy for
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  Speaker 3: a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good dude.
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  Speaker 2: He says, you guys do is a yoga together?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, we'll do a little bit of you know,
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  Speaker 3: we used to work out a little bit together too.
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  Speaker 3: But I've known I've known that guy for years and years,
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  Speaker 3: and he's awesome. He's motivation, yeah for me, and I
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  Speaker 3: like to think into his creative mind from time to time.
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  Speaker 3: It's always good when I hit a roadblock. He's one
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  Speaker 3: of the guys I'll call at like seven am.
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  Speaker 2: You know, seven am, I need your help wake up?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what I feel like I need to
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  Speaker 1: start this out by saying, a I've never skydived, and
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  Speaker 1: be it frightens the hell out of me when you
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  Speaker 1: first when you first started skydiving, and we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: how this all kind of came to be your career path.
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  Speaker 2: But were you scared?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I think it's not I think if you're
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  Speaker 3: not scared, something's wrong with you. Yeah, definitely should go
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  Speaker 3: get checked out.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I think heights are probably like my top
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  Speaker 2: thing that I'm nervous about.
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  Speaker 3: I think most people, to be honest, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's it's interesting. Actually a few of my friends
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  Speaker 3: who are professional, like my team, not just friends, but
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  Speaker 3: like my teammates, like guys just like me, are deathly
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  Speaker 3: afraid of heights. Yeah, but yet they have twenty thousand
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  Speaker 3: plus and thousand plus bass jumps.
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  Speaker 2: How many dives do you have now?
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  Speaker 3: Twenty thousand?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, just twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Thousand times that I jumped out of a plan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Okay, So let's rewind it back a
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  Speaker 1: little bit and start from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: The beginning the beginning man.
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  Speaker 3: Like the dinosaurs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe not the dinosaurs, but maybe skydiving.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, you know what. To be honest, it
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  Speaker 3: was just something I saw on TV. Actually, do you
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  Speaker 3: remember point break? Yeah, yeah, of course, right point break
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  Speaker 3: soft point break, And I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: I have to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you living at the time, New York? Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: are you from there originally?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up outside the city in Westchester County.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I saw that on you know whatever in
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  Speaker 3: the movie. And I also saw it on it was
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  Speaker 3: a TV show called MTV Sports Yeap with Dan Cortez. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he was the host, and they did a little like
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  Speaker 3: segment once on bass jumping and skydiving, and actually it
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  Speaker 3: was just base jumping, to be honest, but parachute. All
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  Speaker 3: I saw was a parachute. I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta do that. That looks sick.
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  Speaker 1: Before we jump into this unintended skydiving coming out of
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  Speaker 1: a plane.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, base jumping.
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  Speaker 3: Off of objects like bridges, buildings, okay, cliffs.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have to get a permit for all of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you're jumping off of a building, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: for sure. But there's plenty of you know, national land
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  Speaker 3: out there that it's completely legal. Yeah, you could just
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  Speaker 3: you know, go out hike around and jump off something.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that you would have to be slightly
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  Speaker 1: more out of your mind to base jump than skydive.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit, a little bit. And I think in
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  Speaker 3: the beginning, you know, because not knowing anything about either
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  Speaker 3: of those sports, people are just attracted to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: whatever like looks cooler or whatever. And I think with
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  Speaker 3: base jumping over the last few years and wingsuit base jumping,
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  Speaker 3: everyone's seen d of you know, wing suits flying past
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  Speaker 3: mountains and stuff, and I think I think people just
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  Speaker 3: kind of gravitate towards base jumping right away, like I
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  Speaker 3: want to do that. Like that's when it when they
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  Speaker 3: when they kind of like do their homework and and
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  Speaker 3: and find out that you have to learn how to
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  Speaker 3: skydive first in order to base jump.
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  Speaker 2: And when you find that out, yeah, how do you feel?
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  Speaker 3: Well, some people are like, oh, well, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're they're not too stoked on you know, the level
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  Speaker 3: of commitment that they have to entraining and preparation that
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  Speaker 3: they have to put towards learning how to base jump,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, through that process, once you do
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  Speaker 3: learn how to skyt dive and you you know, you
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  Speaker 3: kind of dive into it and you you do your
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  Speaker 3: first uh you know, you get your license, so you
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  Speaker 3: start to learn the difference between scotving and base jumping
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  Speaker 3: and how much more like exponentially, like twenty times more
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  Speaker 3: dangerous base jumping is, yeah, sure to skydiving. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: these are all things that without the knowledge of the
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  Speaker 3: sport and really what it's about and all the details
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  Speaker 3: of it, you would never know that that it's really more.
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  Speaker 1: Dangerous, right right, Okay, so you see this movie and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, I've got to go skydiving basically.
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  Speaker 2: And how does one even start to get into skydiving?
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  Speaker 3: So for me at the time, we're going back nineteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety five, I found the skydiving center in the Yellow Pages.
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  Speaker 3: Just with three buddies of mine from high school. We
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  Speaker 3: basically just drove up to the skydiving center.
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  Speaker 2: And it's expensive, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it was. I don't remember how much it costs
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  Speaker 3: back then, but you know, yeah, it's not a cheap sport.
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  Speaker 3: This is a really really expensive sport, especially for like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a kid, right, when I was eighteen and
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  Speaker 3: had no money to like pool together one hundred or
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  Speaker 3: two hundred bucks to go make a tandem skydive with
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  Speaker 3: your friends. I mean that was like, that was a
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  Speaker 3: major thing for me at the time.
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  Speaker 2: So so you go for your first time with your
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  Speaker 2: buddies sick.
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  Speaker 3: I went from the first time with my buddies really
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  Speaker 3: with the intention of making one and only skydive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And immediately as I when I landed, I walked straight
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  Speaker 3: to the school and was like, yo, I gotta do
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  Speaker 3: this again. What's what's the deal? I see people out here.
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  Speaker 3: They're jumping, They're going up and down, up and down,
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  Speaker 3: up and down all day long. Yeah, I wanted, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: And you're so you're in high school at this point,
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  Speaker 2: you're graduating.
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  Speaker 3: I graduated already. I was just finished my first year
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  Speaker 3: of college.
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  Speaker 2: Actually okay, yeah, I was just And where were you
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  Speaker 2: at school?
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  Speaker 3: School? Visual Arts Street did four years there. It was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So you're in college and you're getting hooked on skydiving,
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  Speaker 1: and you're talking to people at the school, and what
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  Speaker 1: do they tell you.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yeah, basically, it's you know, half your
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  Speaker 3: bank account or all of it. And every weekend of
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  Speaker 3: your life from here on in, you know, at the middle,
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  Speaker 3: because two things it's got, you know, it's it's time
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  Speaker 3: and money. Like definitely it costs both. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you need to spend a lot of time. And it's
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  Speaker 3: not cheap anything aviation is not cheap, right once you
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  Speaker 3: start bringing airplanes into the mix. And because you have
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  Speaker 3: to pay every time you go up on a jump,
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  Speaker 3: it's another ticket. It's not like you don't get a
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  Speaker 3: season pass to make it cheaper. So each jump costs.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, all the gear and then traveling
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  Speaker 3: to you know, that all goes along with it to
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  Speaker 3: get to these different destinations.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember distinctively what that first jump really felt like?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, well, it was very scared in the plane,
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  Speaker 3: very nervous. Thank god I was strapped to some dude,
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  Speaker 3: because if I had to jump out of my own
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  Speaker 3: I would have never probably done it. Like I was
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  Speaker 3: that nervous for sure, But you're kind of you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're strapped to dude. He's just kind of like pushing
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  Speaker 3: you towards the door. You're just holding onto your own harness.
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  Speaker 3: And when he says you're ready, even if you say no.
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  Speaker 3: I think it sounds like go in the airplane when
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  Speaker 3: it's really loud. So that's all he hears is be
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  Speaker 3: you ready, no, go okay.
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  Speaker 2: And he pushes you out, He pushes you out.
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  Speaker 3: All I remember was seeing the airplane. We did like
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  Speaker 3: a flip, and I remember seeing the airplane like falling
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  Speaker 3: away from the plane, and I can see it, like
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  Speaker 3: catch a glimpse of the plane, and I'm like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my god, yeah, there it go, like that's my life,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's my boat, that's my Life's like I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how to swim. I don't know how to fly.
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's like being in the ocean. All of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden you just jumped off a boat into the
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  Speaker 3: water and you don't know how to swim. That's how
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  Speaker 3: I felt, just looking back at this plane falling away
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  Speaker 3: from it, going like oh my god. And then I
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  Speaker 3: remember feeling like at that moment like okay, like accept it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, like the fear kind of went away
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  Speaker 3: right right around that time, like five or six seconds
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  Speaker 3: after after we jumped out. I just remember like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you're here. Now you're falling. You can't unfall.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like that kind of tether
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  Speaker 1: is to a really big life less time that I've
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  Speaker 1: been trying to appreciate lately, which is when shit hits
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  Speaker 1: the fan. Sometimes you just need to accept that that's happening,
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  Speaker 1: and instead of being if only this wasn't happening, be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is happening.
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  Speaker 2: What do I actually have control over?
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes it might be nothing like in this instance,
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  Speaker 1: all you had control over was your mind.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah no, literally at that point it was like you
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  Speaker 3: you're you're not doing anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's just just just just what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: So you they tell you that it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: all this money and all this time, and you're a
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  Speaker 1: full time.
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  Speaker 2: College student at the time. Yeah, so what happened?
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  Speaker 3: So I just you know, picked up a few extra
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  Speaker 3: shifts and I was delivering some pizzas and I was
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  Speaker 3: actually working at a golf course on the weekends caddying,
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  Speaker 3: So I just tried to pick up as many extra
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  Speaker 3: loops as I could do out there, and I was
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  Speaker 3: working at an ad agency, so yeah, whatever extra work
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  Speaker 3: I could do, freelancing, doing any kind of freelance art
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  Speaker 3: work at the time to like everything, like I just
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  Speaker 3: Scott having almost immediately became very, very very important in
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  Speaker 3: my life to a point where like I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: I was going to do it, as you know, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't think it was going to become a lifelong thing
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  Speaker 3: or career. But at that time, it was like, I
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  Speaker 3: have to do whatever it takes to get in the
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  Speaker 3: sky again. Yeah, get back in the air.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So you start skydiving more, so.
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  Speaker 3: I start skotdving more. I do it when I can,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah, I'm in school, I'm juggling school
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  Speaker 3: jobs and trying to make time to go Scottive once,
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  Speaker 3: you know, ideally once a week, which was impossible. It
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  Speaker 3: was more like once a month, and then through the
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  Speaker 3: winter months that went away too. You know, like you're
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  Speaker 3: not doing any sky diving in New York in November, December, January.
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  Speaker 2: Foreveryone, which makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But at first, until you said that to me the
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  Speaker 1: other day, I didn't even put two and two together
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  Speaker 1: that obviously you can't go up there when it's freezing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you can, it's just very uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks, So you'd rather so.
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  Speaker 1: Most people, people that you know that live in the
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  Speaker 1: Northeast do they travel a lot to Sidi in the winter.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, most north. Yeah, people in New yorkle slow down
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  Speaker 3: into wintertime. Yeah, maybe make a trip or two to
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  Speaker 3: like Florida or you know, to Arizona or southern California
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  Speaker 3: or something. Okay, so just do like a little vacation.
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  Speaker 2: So you graduate college.
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  Speaker 3: I graduate college, and I'm like, I'm taking a year off,
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  Speaker 3: yeah from I'm not doing art. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: get a graphic graphic design job right away, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I'm gonna move out West. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: go to Arizona. I'm gonna move to the world's largest
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  Speaker 3: skydiving center, and I'm just gonna go be a skydipe
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  Speaker 3: bump for like a year.
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  Speaker 2: What did your parents say?
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  Speaker 3: They were okay with it at the time. I mean
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  Speaker 3: they were okay with me, not like pursuing a career
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  Speaker 3: in you know, in the arts right away. Like they
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  Speaker 3: understood like, okay, yeah, finished school, you want to travel
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  Speaker 3: for a year, you know, do your thing, be a
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  Speaker 3: hippie whatever. Cool. They were still trying to understand skydiving,
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  Speaker 3: I think at the point at that time, like trying
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  Speaker 3: to understand like their son is doing this, like really dangerous,
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  Speaker 3: crazy thing. You know, at least that's what everybody thinks, right,
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  Speaker 3: it's crazy, crazy and dangerous. But it took them a
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  Speaker 3: few years to like accept it and get comfortable comfortable
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  Speaker 3: with it. Yeah, you know, and those those first couple
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  Speaker 3: of years, they were just like, oh, this is just
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  Speaker 3: a fad or a thing, a phase. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: like whatever, I'll stop eventually.
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  Speaker 1: How did that feel for you, though, that the people
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  Speaker 1: that you cared about so much were a little hesitant
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  Speaker 1: in supporting something that literally felt like absolutely everything to you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I cared as much at that time.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: I was still like, you know so much as a kid,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you just don't think that way. As a kid,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: you don't think about how other people are affected. Yeah,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: you know, you just or you might think that, but
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: not as much as adults do totally, So you know,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: it's just more a selfish mind state, like, nah, I
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: gotta you know, go do something awesome and fun and
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: do what I want to do because I got this
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: freedom now, this you know, this new freedom. And yeah,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think I really I just I just was like,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I have to do this right, and you're not getting
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: in my way. To making me not.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Do this exactly. So you go to Arizona.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: So I go to Arizona with nothing in my pocket.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I I don't even know in the car at the time.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I actually don't have a car, but I I moved
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: to Arizona with a friend who had a car at
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: the time, so I did have transportation out there right right.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: And I think I went out there. I think I
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: took I had like four thousand dollars like to my name. Yeah,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I saved up through like high school jobs and whatnot.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: And I got out to Arizona. And the first thing
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: I did was I bought a trailer. I was like, well,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I need a home. So I bought this like this
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: rinky old RinkyDink old like trailer. Bought it for a
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: couple thousand bucks, you know, and had to put ten
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: layers of like whatever ceilant on the roof because it
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: leaked so much when it rained, this trailer, it was hard.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: It was just like, thank god it was Arizona too, right,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: that doesn't rain that much. But parked it right at
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: the Scoutiving Center at this on this airport in Eloy, Arizona.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: And how did you find this particular skydiving sit.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: It's the world's largest scodiving center. So it's kind of
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: like once you get into the sport and you read
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: your first Scoutbbing magazine, you'll you know, you quickly figured out, like,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: what's this place right, scot of Arizona, right, Why are
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: all the pictures from there? Right? And you know, just
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: because of the fleet of aircraft that the place has
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and the weather made it the largest scotoping center, right, Okay,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: good airplanes and great weather.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: And how was it once you got there?
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Which was amazing? It was awesome. I had my trailer
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: on the airport. I felt like I had just signed
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: up for adult summer camp and it was like three
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: and sixty five days a year.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I wasn't a counselor yet, but I was like a junior.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Counselor, and so you're working there.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I started working there. I got a job
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: at the skydiving center packing parachutes, and which is kind
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: of like the for a lot of people in the sport.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: It's there like entry level type of job because in
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: any of the any like becoming an instructor or a
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: video guy or any of that sort of stuff, you
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: need to have the experience skydiving first, right, So as
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: you're building that experience, you know, packing parachutes like you're
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: making some money, you're learning about support around it. You're
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: you know, you might be on the job zone all
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: day packing parachutes all day, and there's like a couple
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: opportunities throughout that day to get on on an airplane
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: and make a couple of jumps. So you know, you're
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: just around it making a few bucks. And it doesn't
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: like the other thing. It doesn't. It's not really hard
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: to pack a parachute, right, Like I can teach you
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: in about an hour to get You're gonna be a
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: slow packer for a while and it'll just take you
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: a long time to actually pack a parachute. But within
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: a month you're gonna be like fast, You're gonna just
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: be like slamming these things down. You know, a couple
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: hundred pack jobs in and you're just like you can
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: pack pair sets in like five minutes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So you're packing parachutes, you're taking opportunities when you can
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to get up there and jump. How many jumps do
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you have to do and what kind of training goes
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: into actually becoming a skydive instructor.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Well, there's different like there's different types of instructors and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: different requirements for them, and all the requirements, they're all
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: like basic minimum requirements that you need. Yeah, like five
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: hundred jumps, is I believe what you need to become
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: like Tannemon instructor so to take other people on skydives. Yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: you have to have a minimum five hundred scotives and
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: then you would have to go through the tandem like
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: course that teaches you how to become a Tannem instructor.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: And that's you know, that takes about a week. It's
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: more or less about twenty five jumps that you're doing
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: with instruct experienced guy. You know, they're just like just trying.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Like the guy that you're strapping to you, the guy
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that's getting strapped to you is basically a very experienced
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: scout ever who's trying to like throw you through the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: ringer and give you like every worst possible scenario situation
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: and see how you handle it and teach you how
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: to handle.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: It, so eventually you do that out.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: There, I actually skip that stage that card. I actually
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I packed for a couple of years and I went
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: straight to just coaching. Yeah, because through those years of packing,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: like I said, I was taking every opportunity to scottdive,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and usually when I would go jump, I would go
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: jump with my friends who happen to be all really
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: good scottivers because I lived at the biggest Scout diving
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: center in the world where all the world champions are,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: so I got to all my friends were really good.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm there with a couple hundred jumps and
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I'm jumping with guys you know, they have more world
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: records on their world championships under their belts and thousands
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: and thousands of skydives. So I have like the best
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: mentors and coaches around me throughout these years as I'm packing.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: So my skill level is you know, kind of just
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: going pretty good trajectory, good trajectory.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say someone has a world championship in
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: skydie like, what are you doing to earn a world
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: championship in skydiving?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Okay? So there's yeah, that's a whole big thing. There's
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: different disciplines that basically you can look at skydiving almost
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: it's two sports. There's like the body flying sport and
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: then there's the parachute flying sports, right, So it's two
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: sports and one both are very very different. You know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: what goes into learning to fly your body and what
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: goes into learning how to fly a parachute, the technical
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: sides of it. It's like, I mean, it's two different
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: apples and oranges within each one of those, like say
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: the body flying side of the sport. You have different
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: styles of flying. Yeah, so you have what traditionally what
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: most people are familiar with with movies and stuff, it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: called relative work. Are belly flying this is what we
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: also call it, and you're just basically in that basic
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: skativer position that we all know falling belly to earth,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: arms wide, legs wide.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Our w is relative work. So you get a group
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: of people as a team. There's different there's four way
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: basically fore man team version of it, an eight man
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: team version of it. There's different different breakdowns of it.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: But you see how many formations you can build in
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: like a thirty five second time so from exit like ready, set, go,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: you leave the plane thirty five second clock to see
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: how many of these points that you can do, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: all these points that come from these there's like a
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: pool of moves that get rent that's anomally drawn before
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: each round, and it's like okay, it's this's these four
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: moves and you just do them over and over and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: over and over again.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: See how like in figure skating when you watch figure
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: skating and they have to execute all these different things
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and then how they ex depending on how they do it,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they get a certain amount of points.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, I'm following. I understand.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Actually it's done more. This is more like a speed thing.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: So how many actual points do you get? It's it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: if you if you are a faster team, you score
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: more points.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Got it?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: You win?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: You win.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: But that's just like that's like a really basic version.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: There's other versions of that that are you know, more
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: what we call free flying, which is more like a
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: three dimensional type of flying. So you're flying your body.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: You might be upside down, right side up, on your
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: belly or on your back. Yeah, and you are able
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you're flying with another person, you know, maybe it's one
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: other person or maybe it's three other people. This also
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: has many different breakdown Like you have a solo disciplines,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: you have two way, you have four way, you have
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: a way. Same thing. God is like team individual, different
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: type different type things, different type things.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're you're learning from some of the best
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: of the best of the skydive school.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the best of the best.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And when how long? Like at this point, how long
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: have you been at the skydive school? Because at first
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to take a year off, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: then now where are we at?
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Because I say, like forward into like two years, like
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: one year, taking one year off turns into taking two
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: years off. Yeah, now, my you know, I have some
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: skills in the sky. I'm getting a little tired of
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: packing parachutes and being on the ground most of the day.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: There's also a lot of work on your hands. Yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: it actually hurts. It's painful. It can be very painful
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: packing all day, like your fingers bleeding. I'm starting to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: meet people at the drop zone who are like, how
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: do you do this? How do you I'm like, oh,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: you want me to coach you? You know, huh, I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: can show you this. I can show you that. I
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: start basically picking up like these like students that want
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: to get coached. So they're experienced scottivers that might have
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a couple hundred jumps under their belt ready or maybe
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: even like a thousand jumps under their belt, right, but
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: they just want to hone in and dial in their
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: their body flying skills or maybe maybe get become a
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: better pilot with the parachute, you know, so we call
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: it cannoy piloting. I think a year goes by and
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty much like booked every day.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyon I want to learn.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: People who want to learn, they're just like, hire me
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: out to teach them how to fly better, how to
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: do it better.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And is anyone giving you any feedback about the fact
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that you're doing this while you aren't, but like there's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: other guys that are certified to do this and you're
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just kind of doing that.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So not really because the certification really only you only
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: need that when you're working with beginner students, right, like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: if you're doing taking someone on a tandem scout, I've
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: got it, or if you're taking someone out on their
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: first solo scout, I've to teach them right so they
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: can go do so solo scouts.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And you like, obviously you're starting to make a career
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: out of it, which must have been kind of crazy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Because no, there was no there's no like form, Matt,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: there's no like, hey to step one two ABC, Like
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: just no one wrote this. There was no book written
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: on like how to be a professional scout ever the time, right,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: and and I was kind of taking a very different
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: route at that time. The discipline that I was involved in,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: which was free flying, was still fairly new, and free
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: flying is a three dimensional type body flying that we
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: do and the sky so we're like upside down, right
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: side up, spinning, flipping like all this stuff that's that
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: discipline was like kind of emerging at this time. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: people were like, man, we want we want to learn this.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of coaches out there that could
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: teach it. There was a lot of people that could
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: do it or you know, could do it and willing
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: to teach it. So not that I knew how to
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: teach it because I didn't. I think in the beginning
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: really didn't know how to teach it. I was figuring
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: out how to teach it as I was teaching it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: But I think everybody was, yeah, because it was a
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: new discipline, we're all kind of just trying to figure
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: this out. And even though you can do it, it
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: was like how do you do that? You'd like sit
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: down and think like, how am I doing that? What
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: part of my body? What am I using to push
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: on the wind when I do that? Like's in my
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: upper bodies and my lower body, and I using my
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: hips and I use my right So you really had
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: to like figure it out. So I kind of, you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: messed up way. I mean, I wouldn't do that now
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: because now the level of knowledge, the general level of
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: knowledge of the sport is just so much greater and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: high elevated. Yeah, it's elevated everybody. There's also there's a
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: lot more coaches. There's hundreds of coaches out there that
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: can teach us, right. They can teach it ten times
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: better than I can ever teach it now.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So when you're at the school and you're starting to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: get all of these people to coach and you're talking
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: them through it, and you're discovering this new trendy way
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: of the sport, kind of is everyone kind of like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: are you just going to stay out there?
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: What's going on? Are your parents like you're going to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: come back to New York.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I remember getting a couple of phone calls and conversations
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: with my mom like that, like okay, so you know
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: what's going on? When are you gonna like come back
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: and get a you know job at a graphic design
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: studio an ad agency, you know, and you know, little
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: things were changing. I was always like going from a
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: packer to an instructor, to like competing to like gaining
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: some sponsors. So every time, like I got a question
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: like that, I kind of would throw back like I'm like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: you know, how I was accelerating and progressing through this
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: this this this realm. So that's how I find And
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I would always make my mom or dad feel a
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: little uncomfortable like, oh oh oh that's awesome. Oh you're
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: doing something like stepping it up.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Well, So then when does red Bull come into the mix?
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Red Book comes into the mix? Around two thousand and one,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: which I'm in Lake Tahoe, California, I am scouting at
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: a scoutping center, Scout of Lake Dahoe, and there there's
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: a couple other guys we actually the guy who owned
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the Scott Eving Center was Charles Bryant. He was a
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: red Bull sponsored Scott Ever. He was like pretty much
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: like the first like red Bull sponsored Scott Ever, I believe,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: and he pulled on a few people onto you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: into that world and Rebel was still pretty young at
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that time, right in America at least, and he pulled
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: a few people on and it just it just grew.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: So it was like right time, right place, with the
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: right people. Here's the other thing. So, why Red Bull
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: in Lake Tahoe? Actually, when Redbell first came to America,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: there are two test markets. Was Lake Tahoe and I
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: think Vale, Colorado. So some of the first rebels, you know,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: the first rebel skiing athlete, Shane McConkie, he was living
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: in Tahoe. You know, everything was based in these two places, right,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: So to be around that, I think was it was
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: a big part of it and kind of grew with
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Red Bull from those early early years.
• 30:10
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  Speaker 1: to it. So what does that mean to be a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Red Bull sponsored athlete?
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Basically means you wear the hat, You wear the hat,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: and you're like very proud of wearing that hat. Yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: because that hat's awesome. Only Redbell athletes get the hat, right,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you represent you know, you go do your sport,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: you crush it and you try to represent.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: The brand of the best as you can.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think with Red Bull it's very natural
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and easy for us because well, first of all, their
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: motto is Rebel gives you wings, right, So what better
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: sport really than like a sport where we're where magic backpacks,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: where wings pop out in our backs, basically like Rebel
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: gives you wings. And you know the guy who started
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Red Bull's he really loves aby. He's got a hanger
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: in Austria with all these cool vintage air planes and stuff.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: So for other sports, it's normal to be a sponsored
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: athlete and just think about your sport and competing and training.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: And that's it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: In skydivan, we didn't really quite have that yet, right,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: you know it, it's still a pretty young sport. Not
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of people were able to do it. People
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: weren't thinking to just be that. You could be a
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: like athlete in this sport, right as you would be
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: an athlete in another sport. You had to be an instructor,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: you had to be a video guy or a parachute
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: packer or some kind of rigor to be a professional skydiver. Yeah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: but you couldn't really be a professional competitor. Things started
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: changing a little bit around this time, and I started
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: gaining some sponsorships and I was able to actually gain
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: enough sponsorship to just kind of focus almost entirely on
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: competing and swooping, and that was it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Swooping.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Swooping is what we call it. There's like ten different
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: words for everything we do in this just focusing on So, yeah,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: they canopy piloting parachute piloting competition, we call it swooping
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: and yeah, and that's pretty That was That was. That
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: was like the first discipline that I kind of started
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: competing in and being recognized for it. And it was honestly,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: at the time, it is the only discipline that was
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: entertaining for spectators. You're landing in front of people. The
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: rest of it is like, oh, you're drive falling out
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: of an airplane three miles away. You're a little dot.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: You get close enough. So the only way to really
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: judge anything else is through video, you know, And people
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: can't relate I think the general public too. They don't
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: relate to Scott to free fall. They just see you
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: floating around and moving. They don't understand what it takes
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: to actually fly your body and to be balanced and
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: to actually control yourself on the wind the way you do.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Like you watch a video of someone flying in the
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: in the wind tunnel, it just looks easy. Yeah, you
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: try to go in it the first time and you're
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: like bouncing off the walls. You're like, oh my god,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: this is going to take me thousands of hours to
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: get to that, to that guy's.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Level, right, right.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: It must have been kind of difficult to be one
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of the first in the sport because it's not like you,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: like you said, you didn't have any particular pattern to follow.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And then also along those lines, it wasn't like anyone
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: else could look to you and be like, yeah, this
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: is what he's doing now, because there weren't other examples
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: to provide to show them like, this is my career path,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. Can't you see that I'm
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: doing it really well and winning all these things?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know? Yeah, No, you have to explain it
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: all the time because it's not a well known sport,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: so you're always explaining got very you know, used to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: explaining to people, Yeah, what is it that I do?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which can be exhausting, especially if like you didn't
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: always think that this is what you were going to.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Do, yeah, yeah, especially when like most people's reaction is
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: like you skytive, Why would you jump out of a
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: perfectly good airplane? Yeah, Like, oh, I haven't heard that
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: one before, right, Why wouldn't you not you trust that airplane.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, your attitude is just different than like ninety percent.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know you either get in line or you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not the type of person to get in lines.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like that it must teach you so many
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: life lessons being willing to kind of take that risk.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I think. So I think more in hindsight now I
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: can kind of like reflect and you know, come up
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: with all these analogies and metaphors and things like taking
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that blind leap, and you know a lot of motivational
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: type speeches can come out of it. Yeah, but I
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: think at the time, you didn't you know, you just
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: you didn't. I didn't know, Yeah, I didn't know. It's
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: just kind of grinding through.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: How do you feel like these days you're kind of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: applying those like that mental side of things to your
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: more everyday life because obviously you no longer live in Arizona.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm kind of based there still. Yeah, still
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: have a place there. Everything that I do in this
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: sport is you know, maybe maybe it's just like controlling
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: your emotion, your fear, you know, just trying to like
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: settle down, you know, your heart rate starts going up.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe I'm going to do a speech, you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: and I try and I get nervous before I talk
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: in front of like a large audience. Not so much
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: in like this setting. I'm not nervous right now, but
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: like in a large audience, I still get nervous, like
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: standing on stage and talking to people. And you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I'll try to use those mental tricks I know that
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I use in the plane to like slow my heart
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: rate down, gain control of like where my thoughts are.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: So a lot of people find that kind of grounding
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: through meditation meditation.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: As we've spoken about this before, it kind of comes naturally.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: In skydiving, you're kind of forced to meditate, you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: whether it's just like even just visualizing, you know, visualization
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: is definitely a form of meditation, you know, just trying
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: to visualize that perfect performance. That's one way, and another
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: way is is really just trying to like really like meditate,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: like trying to clear your mind of everything, you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: and just relax and zen and just zen out, find
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that zen spot, that place in your head where you're
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: not thinking right, overthinking anything right totally. I've done some
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: meditation with you know, like proper meditation, not just like
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: me sitting in an airplane meditating, but I've been walked
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: through meditations and it's really like it's a very similar
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: experience experience where you go in your head. Especially, you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: because skydiving it's always like being nervous or being afraid.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: You're trying to really control being nervous or afraid.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: When you became a Red Bull sponsored athlete, and then
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you were doing more and more competition, you were doing
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: more and more competitions, you then also started to do
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: some other kind of contract work through this.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so through Yeah, right around the same time
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I started working for them government.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So what do you do for them? That's insane?
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Train military? Yeah, they don't do anything much not much
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: different than we do it. You know, they're all just
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: trying to do the same thing. Jump out of an airplane,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: land safely, so you know, land safely.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I guess someone's got to teach them.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Someone, someone's got to teach them. And internally, you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: they just don't have you know, they've they figured out like, hey,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: let's get an expert at this, you know, because in
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: the military, they'll have a guy Scott, a instructor in
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: the military. That's not all he does. He's got like
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: twenty other things he trains, and you know, so of
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: course hire a civilian specialist. That's all they do all
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: the time. They're really good at it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And where are you training them?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: All over? Yeah? Yeah, I mean mostly mostly in Arizona,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: but all which I travel a lot.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So where have been some of the craziest places
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: that you've jumped from?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I mean New York was, honestly, yeah, I mean there's
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of places. I've jumped so many places,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: even here in La. Like I was just actually on
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: a on the Santa Monica Mountains yesterday, was it yesterday
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: for a little hikeers yesterday or day before now. We
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: were looking out over the whole valley, you know, all
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: of LA and I'm like, oh my god, I've landed there.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I've landed there, I've landed there, Like picking out all
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: these spots like in the city on the beaches and
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: places I've landed my parachute. Yeah, and I've landed. I've
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: jumped in so many places. But New York. New York
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: is just super special, just you know, from growing up
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: there and after you know, after nine to eleven with
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: all the restrictions on flying and flight restrictions getting permission.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: The fact that I was able to get permission to
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: jump over New York City was like five years ago.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I still can't believe that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, where did you land when you did that?
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: On a barge in the Hudson River. So that was
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: the only way the city allowed it. I presented five
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: or six other project to the city before this, from
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: base jumping, buildings and base jumping the Statue of Liberty
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: to which I found Statue of Liberty actually is has
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with New York even it's like it's
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: national But anyway, trying to present all these projects to
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: New York to do a cool project there, and they
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: were like no, no, no, no no. But when I said,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: we fly the wingsuit up the Hudson River, we open
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: a parachute, and then we land on a barge in
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the river, and we're never over the city and we're
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: not landing in the city. That's a big thing. They
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: don't want us to land in the city, right, Oh
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: you're gonna land on a boat. Oh yeah, sure, perfect,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: have fun.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: You kind of talked before a little bit about like
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: all the different musculature that it takes to be really
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: good at your craft. What are the things that you're
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: doing outside of skydiving that really keep you balanced and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: like ready to perform at your top level?
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Just staying active I think, you know, just living an
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: active lifestyle can do it. Yeah, you don't need to
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: be the strong is the fastest, you know, the most flexible,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: but all those things really help, you know, especially at
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: my level, on any on a lower level, if you're
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: just like learning a skydive, you don't have to be
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: in shape. To be honest, you don't have to be
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You can come straight off the couch into an harness
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: and throw you out a plane and you're gonna be fine.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: But taking the sport to like level that I'm at,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: you know, you definitely want to look after yourself. So
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I'm very conscious of, you know, my diet and my training,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: my cross training and stuff I'll do. Like here at
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Red Bull, I'm here been training at their High Human
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Performance Jim. We've got trainers and nutritionists, massage there, like
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: a great team of professionals to help not only me
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: but all the other athletes at Red Bull in everything
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: from you know your you're training to even maybe you're
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: injured and doing some kind of physical therapy recovery type stuff.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So obviously the lifestyle that you're living can lead to
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit of instability and that you're not always
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: in the same place for a long time. You're kind
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: of bouncing around a lot, always either on a plane
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: going from point A to point B, or on a
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: plane to jump out of it. Yeah, so what kind
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of keeps you grounded when you're constantly all over the place.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever grounded, to be honest,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I struggle with that one. Yeah, traveling. Traveling is crazy.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of I was just having this
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: conversation with someone yesterday or the day before or whatever,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, with social media, everyone always
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: looks at social media and I'm always doing something cool
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: or I'm like at this event or doing this or that,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: and I am I'm either surrounded by hundreds of people
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: and I'm the center of the attention and you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: the the talent or whatever, you know, the center of
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the attention, or it's a complete opposite. I mean, you
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: travel to a lot and spent endless hours in airplanes
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: and hotels, and you know that side of it is
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: very like lonely in a way. It's like most of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: it I do alone, you know, I feel like, so
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: there's this it's it's like zero or ten. Yeah, it's
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: like at the party or I'm like sitting in the
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: corner in my room from all the dunce hat on.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: But what keeps you happy? Like what makes you happy?
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Isn't it weird when someone asks you that and you
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: have to articulate it. It's actually been something that I've
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: been trying to work on a lot because I feel
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: you in the like zero to one hundred, and everyone
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: has an opinion on how you're executing your life, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: like everything looks really great and everyone thinks everything is
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: going really well.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: But there are those lonely moments.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: And so I've been working more to figure out what
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: are the things in my life that bring me joy.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: For me, those things are my close relationships, so my
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: friends that know what's going on with me outside of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: social media, which I think is important, and being able
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to call out a friend who like maybe has been
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: a little distant, be like, this is what's going on
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: with me, and just because maybe like I've been following
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: you and you've been following me, Like, let's have a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: real talk about what's up. So deep relationships make me happy.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I know you share this, Like yoga practice makes me
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: so happy. Writing things down makes me happy. And being
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: able to like articulate if I'm feeling a little bit alone,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: all right, what do I have control over to change that?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Like who can I talk to? What can I do?
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: What can I do to bring that brings me joy
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that I can like shift the conversation that's going on
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: in my head.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I probably share a lot of those details. Yeah, I
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: think in general, if I think, like what makes me happy?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Like when am I happiest? It's usually just when I'm
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: busy kind of have things going on, and when I'm
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: doing things that I'm occupied and I'm you know, there's
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: just something a goal and I'm in it, yeah, trying
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: to achieve it. Yeah, you know, the downtime makes me
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: less happy.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of goals, like what are the goals coming up?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I really want to travel to more new places. You know.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I tend to go to the same places over and
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again. You know. Yeah, dozens
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: of times I've been to Dubai, like over twenty times. Wow,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm so tired of sitting on an airplane
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: for fifteen hours. Like I love Dubai. It's awesome, and
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I have great friends there and it's hot, but I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: definitely want to like travel to more new places, right
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: just sit in that airplane and go to the same
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: spot and traveling because everything's always new and exciting and first,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: like it's very stimulating. Like I'm very happy when I'm traveling. Yeah,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: you know, I like being around new things and just
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: absorbing all of that and making new friends, seeing old friends.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: It's just exciting.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: How do you feel when you're skydiving?
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Uh? How do I feel when I'm skotted? Well, you know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I feel every emotion when I'm skotming. Sometimes, you know,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: some skydives I feel very relaxed. Others I feel very
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't wait till this jump is over,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: and I'm just on the ground safe. So it it
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: really just depends on like what what it is I'm
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: doing in the sky. Is this regular scout? Is this
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: a routine jump at home with my like best friend,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: or are we doing the next sickest stunt that you
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: know requires every ounce of focus and concentration. So I've
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I've felt every emotion in the air.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Has anything ever gone wrong?
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Little things go wrong all the time, Like what openings
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: parast openings are you know, they're can open a million
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: different ways it opens, but there's a lot of times
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: where you get like a little thing like you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: the the steering line might be a little stuck or yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: it opens like in a twist, or it's spinning, you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: and you got like line twists and you kind of
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: have to like kick out of them or stop the
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: parachute from spiraling out, you know, because it opens in
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: a spiral at the ground or something sort of like
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: little things that you constantly have to fix and correct.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: But I think, you know, when that's a very common
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: question like oh my god, like what's the scariest thing
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: that ever happened? Or what's you know, I think a
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: lot of people are just so shaped by Hollywood. Yeah,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: and you know, because not a lot you don't know.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Most people don't don't know the sport, and they don't
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: know the details and like details about it and what
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: it's just it's it's all a mystery to them. So
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Hollywood has kind of painted I think the picture of
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: what Scott havings like and what the problems are like.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, I hear you in those moments
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of chaos, Like is the visualization that helps you keep
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: your cool?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: How do you keep your cool?
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Experience? You know what? I think there is no keeping
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: your cool. There's no time to like get heated or
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: anything about it. Right, You're just you're there in the
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: moment when things are going bad. You're just reacting to that.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: And it's I think it's all experience in training that
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: kicks in. It's all your subconscious A lot of these
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: things aren't like you're not going to sit there and
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: constant and be like is this better or that better?
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Should I do this or that? You're just going to
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: react and do something. And it's usually during those moments
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: you're not scared and freaking out. It's after you land,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: you know. It's like it's like being in an almost
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: a near car accident on the highway. You just react,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: you know, you move that wheel, whatever you got to do,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: slam on the brakes, turn the wheel, whatever it is,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: and then after you pass all of it, then you're like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. And
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: then you start freaking yourself out.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: It's that's yeah, And I'll freak myself out before the
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: sky dive sometimes visualizing because I visualized, Yeah, visualize every
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: performance obviously the way you want to do it, perfect
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: and flawless. But I visualize everything going as ship and
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I want to everything like how how is this going
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: to be? Like? How could this go wrong? And I
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: think that's you know, that's smart for what I do.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's really smart. It's not what you want
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: to focus on right before the performance, but I think
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: it's something you want to be very aware of to this,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: especially when it's like your life.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you, all right, the way I always
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: close the pod. You have an opportunity right now to
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  Speaker 1: offer the Jeff who is picking up the movie in
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  Speaker 1: Arizona and changing his whole life to follow a passion. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a piece of advice? What piece of advice do you
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  Speaker 1: give that guy?
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  Speaker 3: Looking back on it now, anything, anything is possible. You
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  Speaker 3: do not need to like get in any line and
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  Speaker 3: follow some path because someone else had this idea for you.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if I can make a career out of
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  Speaker 3: jumping out of airplanes and playing with parachutes, and flying parachutes.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can make a career out
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  Speaker 3: of anything. You know. It's really like it really is
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  Speaker 3: just that is like find something you love, do it
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  Speaker 3: a lot, master it, and you know the other pieces
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  Speaker 3: will fall into place. I mean, you got to work
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  Speaker 3: hard for it. It's not just going to fall on
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  Speaker 3: your lap. You have to make sacrifices. You have to
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  Speaker 3: work hard and sweat and grind. It can be anything.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be what you know your guidance
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  Speaker 3: consor told you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey dude, thanks, Yeah, sitting down? Are you kidding?
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  Speaker 3: Hi? Fine, hie.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff. Where do they find you? Where do they watch
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  Speaker 2: the jumps? What's got?
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  Speaker 3: You can follow me? I'm on all the social media
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  Speaker 3: channels just my name, Jeff Provenzano. You can also follow
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  Speaker 3: red Bull Air Force or red Bull and you'll find
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  Speaker 3: me over there through there too.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I am at emily a body, Another hurdle conquered.
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  Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.