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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: She is back. Compet Credlin's back.
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Speaker 3: I have missed you. I hope you've missed me. It's
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Speaker 3: wonderful to have your company. Thank you too to my
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Speaker 3: good friend Steve Price. You filled in so well for
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Speaker 3: me while I was away. It was a terrific break.
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Speaker 3: And a big shout out to all the favors of
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Speaker 3: viewers I met while I was away. Thank you for
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Speaker 3: your support of me, but also what we do at
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Speaker 3: Sky News. And a special hello to two dear friends
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Speaker 3: of mine, Rodin Lynn. Wonderful hospitality in Italy there.
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Speaker 2: But that's enough. Back to business.
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Speaker 3: Busy day today in Canberra, amongst other things around the country.
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Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up tonight on Predline. Tens of thousands
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Speaker 3: take to the streets over the weekend as frustration with
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Speaker 3: our Australian migration policy grows or black thereof labor and
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Speaker 3: the left wing media doing their best to brand these
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Speaker 3: people as racist. But something's happening here would be wise
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Speaker 3: not to ignore, speaking of which I'll speak to an
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Speaker 3: economist tonight. He'll thought fact from fiction when it comes
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Speaker 3: to Labour's big Australia Ponzi scheme. Now he's gone unto
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Speaker 3: the skin of the ABC. That tells me that probably
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Speaker 3: he's doing the right thing, classes I said. Another busy
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Speaker 3: sitting week in Canberra, and more internal wrangling too inside
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Speaker 3: the coalition on net zero Energy expert Aid Morrison coming up.
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Speaker 3: And while the regions certainly made it clear to the
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Speaker 3: PM on Friday and Bellarat that they've had a gutfull
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Speaker 3: of net zero, some in the Coalition have yet to
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Speaker 3: get the memo. The electroc has told us time and
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Speaker 3: time again that they want to see a lower emissions future.
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Speaker 2: They want to embrace net zero.
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Speaker 4: How about we put offshore wind turbines at north Head
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Speaker 4: or on the Yarrow River.
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Speaker 5: This debate is not about whether you believe in climate change.
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Speaker 2: This is about the economic cost.
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Speaker 6: Net zero is destroying our economy.
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Speaker 3: The first, it takes a lot to get most Australians
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Speaker 3: worked up enough to get out and protest.
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Speaker 2: Normally we keep to ourselves.
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Speaker 3: Don't we and register our unhappiness at the ballot box
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Speaker 3: every couple of years. The fact that tens of thousands
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Speaker 3: of Australians took to the streets though on yesterday wanting
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Speaker 3: to reclaim Australia shows that we are not happy. Yesterday's
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Speaker 3: protests and marchers have not been called for by anyone
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Speaker 3: in obvious authority, and apart from Pauline Hanson addressing the
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Speaker 3: Camber rally, they were not supported by anyone especially well
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Speaker 3: known about. The only advanced mainstream media they had was
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Speaker 3: in a discussion last week on bed Fordham's Sydney radio program.
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Speaker 2: The fact that they happened at.
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Speaker 3: All in such substantial numbers says something, given that the
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Speaker 3: Owen Easy government had already dismissed them in advance as
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Speaker 3: right wing nut jobs and racists. Now, sure, some of
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Speaker 3: those elements turned up, but it was nowhere near the majority.
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Speaker 2: We're not a racist country. We just want a good
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Speaker 2: caliber of people in here.
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Speaker 7: Love migration, Okay, I'm from a family of immigrants as well.
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Speaker 8: The point is how many you bring in the country,
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Speaker 8: where do you house it?
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Speaker 7: And what we want to see is a slow down
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Speaker 7: of the immigration because we're not looking after our own anymore.
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Speaker 7: The reason for this march was not about racism, not
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Speaker 7: about pro white It was about one flag for one nation,
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Speaker 7: not just roads. It's not just the housing, because obviously
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Speaker 7: houses are overinflated the infrastructure of Australia on all levels,
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Speaker 7: and it is stressed by migration.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, as you've just seen there, the vast and bulk
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Speaker 3: of the attendees were ordinary, everyday Australians from all walks
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Speaker 3: of life and ethnic backgrounds, as Phil Kouri can see
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Speaker 3: to this afternoon and the online version of the Australian
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Speaker 3: Financial Review. The fact that so many turned out shows
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Speaker 3: that large numbers of Australians are fed up with social
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Speaker 3: developments that they don't like, and they're fed up with
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Speaker 3: governments that don't listen. And there is a lot not
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Speaker 3: to like about the way Australia is changing. Take immigration,
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Speaker 3: which was the main focus of yesterday's events. Now, of course,
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Speaker 3: immigration is out of control. For most of the post
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Speaker 3: war period it averaged ninety thousand people per year. Then
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Speaker 3: for the decade pre pandemic beginning around the Rudd era,
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Speaker 3: it was then upwards of two hundred thousand a year.
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Speaker 3: For the past three years, immigration has been running at
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Speaker 3: nearly half a million per annum.
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Speaker 2: The impact here is obvious in our sky high house prices.
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Speaker 3: And rents, on our clogged roads and packed public transport,
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Speaker 3: and in the low wages for jobs at recent migrants
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Speaker 3: mostly do the cleaning, the carry, the delivering, washing dishes
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Speaker 3: and restaurants and picking fruit, all absolutely nesty jobs, but
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Speaker 3: once have been Australian shun from a sense of intilament
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Speaker 3: born of too many people going to university for dead
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Speaker 3: end degrees or a something for nothing welfare mindset. But
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Speaker 3: it's not just the immigration quantity that's a problem, but
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Speaker 3: the quality to the value is quality of those we
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Speaker 3: give the chance of a lifetime, which is of course
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Speaker 3: to live in Australia. It's impossible not to notice a
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Speaker 3: heavy presence of migrants, mostly from the Middle East, in
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Speaker 3: the succession of pro Palestine rallies that are really pro
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Speaker 3: Humas rallies and that are often with a very nasty
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Speaker 3: anti Israel, even anti Jewish edge class, and numerous hate preachers,
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Speaker 3: many of them recent migrants, attacking the country that's supposed
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Speaker 3: to be their home. Then there's the double standards of
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Speaker 3: officialdom saying police that stood quietly by while jew hating
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Speaker 3: protests have gone on for months and months and months,
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Speaker 3: or they actively clashed with protests yesterday and they even
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Speaker 3: held alding press conferences across the day which all helped
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Speaker 3: build Labour's narrative that protesting against high immigration was somehow illegitimate.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not illegitimate.
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Speaker 3: The problem isn't the protesters. The problems the political class
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Speaker 3: who refused to allow a rational, sober discussion on this issue.
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Speaker 3: The problem is our leaders who want to bury their
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Speaker 3: collective heads in the sand and pretend if they don't
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Speaker 3: talk about high immigration, then somehow people's concerns will just
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Speaker 3: go away, or they won't. The only easy government has
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Speaker 3: been promising for two years to rain in migration, but
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Speaker 3: nothing's changed. The coalition, after promising to cut migration, failed
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Speaker 3: even to release an immigration policy at the last election
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Speaker 3: because upsetting the vested interests, the colleges selling residency in
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Speaker 3: the guise of education and the businesses taking advantage of
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Speaker 3: cheap foreign workers.
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Speaker 2: Well that was all too hard.
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Speaker 3: But as I said in my column for News Limited
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Speaker 3: papers yesterday, nature appause a vacuum. If mainstream leaders ignore
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Speaker 3: an issue that's understandably concerning millions of people, or fringe
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Speaker 3: leaders will eventually emerge, so too or the extremists. And
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Speaker 3: yes yesterday, as I said, there are plenty of those
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Speaker 3: on the streets, and I like you condemned that. But
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Speaker 3: we can't fall into the trap of letting the lift
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Speaker 3: use a few extremists to close down debate about the
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Speaker 3: scale of Australia's record immigration intake. On the streets yesterday
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Speaker 3: right around the country were a lot of decent people
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Speaker 3: who don't like being made to feel like a stranger
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Speaker 3: in their own country, and many, many more who want
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Speaker 3: change and are looking for someone to lead it. Remember
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Speaker 3: nature appause a vacuum and as reported today for the
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Speaker 3: first time, popular stork far right part arties are leading
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Speaker 3: the polls in the UK, France and Germany as quote,
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Speaker 3: the latest sign of growing voter discontent in much of
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Speaker 3: the continent following years of high immigration and inflation. Now,
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Speaker 3: this stuff, if not talked about, if not debated, doesn't
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Speaker 3: go away.
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Speaker 2: It festers.
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Speaker 3: Remember when the political establishment damned those pro women rallies
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Speaker 3: because that protest in Melbourne was gate crash by neo
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Speaker 3: Nazis and tarred a lot of reasonable people with the
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Speaker 3: legitimate complaint that they were somehow fanatical. Well, it turned
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Speaker 3: out that democracy there was a loser. So to John Pizzuto,
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Speaker 3: he lost the Liberal leadership and quite a few million
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Speaker 3: dollars because he wrongly assumed that a handful of vidiots
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Speaker 3: negated the legitimate views of women angry at the erosion
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Speaker 3: of their rights. Well, yesterday was a much bigger national
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Speaker 3: replay because talking about the sort of country we are
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Speaker 3: and want to be, far from being an illegitimate topic,
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Speaker 3: should be about the most important thing on our national agenda. Now,
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Speaker 3: Australia is not yet like the big countries of Europe
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Speaker 3: or anti immigration populace are making the political running, but
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Speaker 3: we are headed that way. If the kind of silence
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Speaker 3: in Canberra continues, not just from labor here, the Liberals
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Speaker 3: too share the blame. We should not be afraid to
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Speaker 3: stand up for our Anglo Celtic core culture or our
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Speaker 3: Judaeo Christian ethos, and we should be unafraid to put
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Speaker 3: as much stress on our national unity.
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Speaker 2: As on our diversity.
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Speaker 3: If certainly hasn't worked this out yet, let me warn
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Speaker 3: her if the coalition wants to avoid a reform style
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Speaker 3: breakout here at home, there's a work to be done
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Speaker 3: by her team and fast. Got a change of pace
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Speaker 3: for you now. I've usually go to a Canberra package,
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Speaker 3: but I'm going to bring that to you live tonight.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now as a senior political reporter from Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Truty Macintosh, well, this is a new development. I've come
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Speaker 3: back from holidays and I get you live in person.
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Speaker 3: I think that's great. Truty, welcome to Credlin. In a
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Speaker 3: formal sense, let's kick off today and we'll talk about
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Speaker 3: question time because the Coalition went for a thematic approach today.
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Speaker 3: They really went after Labor on this issue of the
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Speaker 3: home care packages and the big backlog out there, and
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Speaker 3: they targeted a relatively green new minister and the HP Minister,
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Speaker 3: Sam Ray. What did you make of the strategy?
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Speaker 9: Well, welcome back, Peter. It's nice to see you again
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Speaker 9: after a lovely looking vacation. I must say I was
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Speaker 9: a little jealous.
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Speaker 2: Big points.
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Speaker 9: I thought to the Coalition today for this strategy, it
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Speaker 9: seems like a reverting to an old one I've seen
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Speaker 9: before of opposition strited and tested. Go after a new
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Speaker 9: minister and see if there's a vulnerability on an issue
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Speaker 9: that matters to Australians and that is what is a
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Speaker 9: pretty staggering backlog of age care.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at how this played out. More than two.
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Speaker 6: Hundred thousand Australians are still waiting for either a home
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Speaker 6: care package or an assessment of a package.
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Speaker 2: Will the Minister apologize.
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Speaker 6: To these two hundred thousand elderly Australians and their families
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Speaker 6: for this betrayal.
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Speaker 10: Firstly, the Support at Home program, to which the Opposition
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Speaker 10: have been supportive in moving the initial legislation provides the
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Speaker 10: legislative framework for support at home.
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Speaker 11: A vulnerable ninetye old Australian is suffering for too long?
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Speaker 11: Will them it's to say, as immediate priority, expeed out
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Speaker 11: the delivery of this man's package before it is too late.
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Speaker 2: The member can provide me with the details. I'll personally
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Speaker 2: follow up as a matter of urgency.
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Speaker 9: And then the figures here are staggering in terms of
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Speaker 9: the big delays that Australians are facing.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 9: That Apartment had to confers on Friday when pressed that
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Speaker 9: more than one hundred and twenty thousand Australians are waiting
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Speaker 9: for their assessment for at home age care and even
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Speaker 9: when you get the assessment, there's still a big wait
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Speaker 9: time to actually get the care. Around ninety thousand are
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Speaker 9: waiting to receive at home care. No new packages Peter
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Speaker 9: have been released for the past two months, so I
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Speaker 9: think still big questions here as to why there's been
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Speaker 9: such a delay for Australians who need this support.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be interested to see tomorrow if I can
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Speaker 3: get some legs into this issue. I know obviously zero
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Speaker 3: is a big one out there at the moment. We
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Speaker 3: know the rallies were there on the weekend and you
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Speaker 3: would have deterred me. Then. I think immigration as an
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Speaker 3: issue should be on the table, should be a sober,
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Speaker 3: national adult debate. Tricky both of those for the Coalition.
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Speaker 3: I suspect that's why they've grabbed this issue and run
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Speaker 3: with it. But as I said, let's see where they
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Speaker 3: go tomorrow and see then get a couple of days
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Speaker 3: out of it. Interestingly, there was a big announcement by
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Speaker 3: the government, but it was so big you almost missed it,
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Speaker 3: so big, but you missed it too. Waitonarly missed it
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Speaker 3: because so an issue that's uncomfortable for labor internally.
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Speaker 2: This is the deal.
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Speaker 3: It's taken them about two years to get that. Enzyq
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Speaker 3: Cohort agreed to be resettled in at Naru. They really
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Speaker 3: tried to bury this announcement on the weekend. What can
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Speaker 3: you tell us in terms of specifics treating.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so Peter, more than four hundred million dollars will
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Speaker 9: go to Naharu and then from there each year an
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Speaker 9: additional seventy million, so they can help with the resettlement
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Speaker 9: of this cohort of essentially in some cases criminals part
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Speaker 9: of that High Court ruling. But as you say, it
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Speaker 9: was there's a lot, a lot of detail out there.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister asked about this today. Well least that
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Speaker 9: seventy million dollars each year and how many years going forward?
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Speaker 9: Is it contingent on Nauru actually taking the entire cohort
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Speaker 9: or do they get this money regardless of if there
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Speaker 9: only takes a two or three A lot of detail
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Speaker 9: we still don't know about this. I think it's very
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Speaker 9: telling though the Coalition didn't ask a single question on
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Speaker 9: this in question time today, did they. There's a sense
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Speaker 9: of bipartisan coming here that both in both parties interest
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Speaker 9: to actually try and get this cohort out of the country.
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Speaker 2: I didn't notice that.
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Speaker 3: And it's running at about half a million at least
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Speaker 3: presuming they take them all. But we'll see what happens there.
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Speaker 3: And we know in the Iranians. Iran is refusing to
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Speaker 3: take them back. So I think it's a difficult position
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Speaker 3: for pour On Naru. Talk to me about another person
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Speaker 3: is a bit of a difficult spot. This is the
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Speaker 3: former Attorney General Mark Dreyfus. Speculation today he'll soon retire
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Speaker 3: one Labor and piece it off the record. He looks
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Speaker 3: like a defeated man. Well, that's pretty obvious. He was
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Speaker 3: dumped from the front bench by his faction. I might add,
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Speaker 3: of course, the PM doesn't choose who is on his
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Speaker 3: front bench under Labour's rules, they only get to choose
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Speaker 3: the portfolio. The Labor right truty. That faction still has
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Speaker 3: the claim on this seat, is it right?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, pretty brutal to see Mark Dreyfus, you know, basically
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Speaker 9: knife in that way.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 9: The big question is is he going to just pull
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Speaker 9: up stumps in the next month or so. There's two
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Speaker 9: names being floated as potential replacements for Mark Drapers, but
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Speaker 9: that factional war fascinating in Victoria. The Left I believe
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Speaker 9: they're on the ascendants and believe they should be able
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Speaker 9: to have more representation than they have now. Have a
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Speaker 9: look at the two names. Steve Mickelson is the right
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Speaker 9: factions pick. He used to work for Bill Shorten and
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Speaker 9: Paul Erickson. If he wants it, he's the National Party secretary,
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Speaker 9: has helped Labor return two pretty big election victories. He's
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Speaker 9: from the left. He hasn't publicly said he actually wants this, Peter,
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Speaker 9: but if he did, it probably makes the case for
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Speaker 9: a little easier for an intervention from a left wing
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Speaker 9: PM to install him in the seat.
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Speaker 3: Hard to look past ericson after that. When but let's
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Speaker 3: see what happens. Thanks Treating brot have you at the
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Speaker 3: top of the show in sitting weeks right, Let's stay
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Speaker 3: in caravan now joining me A Corsaskay and News political
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Speaker 3: contributor Chris Yellman. We'll get to a whole lot of
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Speaker 3: other issues, but I've got to start with something you
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Speaker 3: and I go back to over and over again. But
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Speaker 3: it is really ramping up internally in terms of the
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Speaker 3: political temperature inside the coalition. Chris, that's the course, net
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Speaker 3: Zero ki Row. This has not abated while I was away.
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Speaker 3: We've got Barnaby Joyce out there. Of course, pushing hard
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Speaker 3: is Private Member's Bill until such time Labor says we're
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Speaker 3: going to put it on for debate. Now is telling people,
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Speaker 3: including front bench m Andrew Hasty, I actually don't want
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Speaker 3: you to vote for it. Well, how does that make sense?
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Speaker 8: Well, it really doesn't, and it puts Andrew Hasty in
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Speaker 8: a difficult position, of course because he is in the
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Speaker 8: shadow cabinet. But he has also made it pretty clear
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Speaker 8: that he doesn't believe that net zero is an achievable target,
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Speaker 8: and both you and I both know that it's a
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Speaker 8: fantasy target. But that doesn't mean that the politics of
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Speaker 8: this is an incredibly difficult Peter, because most of the
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Speaker 8: population now it would appear if you go by the
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Speaker 8: public polling, has signed up to the idea that net
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Speaker 8: zero is in some way a way of saying that
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Speaker 8: you believe in climate change, and that's certainly the way
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Speaker 8: that the government is positioning it. So it's difficult for
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Speaker 8: the opposition, partly because it's never really made the case
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Speaker 8: properly about net zero and what the costs of net
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Speaker 8: zero will be to ordinary people and electricity, as you
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Speaker 8: and I again both know, is a very small part
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Speaker 8: of that. I mean, I would really hope that the
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Speaker 8: coalition could get their act together at least to do this,
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Speaker 8: to focus all of that energy that it has about
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Speaker 8: this particular simply on the government to pursue the government
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Speaker 8: on costs and on the claim that this will be greener.
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Speaker 8: The claim has always been it will be greener and
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Speaker 8: it will be cheaper. It's going to be neither. People's
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Speaker 8: bills will continue to climb. That's a that's one way
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Speaker 8: of separating people from whether or not they believe that
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Speaker 8: this is a target they want to hit, because if
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Speaker 8: you ever ask people in polling about how much they're
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Speaker 8: prepared to pay, not very much at all to hit
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Speaker 8: these targets. The other thing is there's a huge environmental
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Speaker 8: argument that over by twenty sixty we are going to
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Speaker 8: need a land mass one point six times the size
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Speaker 8: of Tasmania to build all this stuff and then connected
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Speaker 8: by transmission lines. It doesn't add up on either front.
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Speaker 3: What's interesting is the Coalition has got obviously rafter reviews underway,
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Speaker 3: and I think they think they've got the luxury of
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Speaker 3: a couple of years to work out their position and
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Speaker 3: then run it into the next election. That was a
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Speaker 3: problem with Peter Dutton at the last election was things
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Speaker 3: were not socialized long enough. They we're not arguing their
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Speaker 3: case for enough time with the elector. I think they
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Speaker 3: left too much for the campaign period and as we know,
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Speaker 3: it gets lost in the noise. I think they need
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Speaker 3: a position on this sooner rather than later. I agree
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Speaker 3: with you they can't keep sitting on the fence, But
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Speaker 3: why don't they at least create a threshold number for
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Speaker 3: world action before Australia gets involved. You know, we're one
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Speaker 3: percent of the problem. We're leading the world in terms
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Speaker 3: of our response, where we're dogging our own economy and
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Speaker 3: our budget to do that, we're hitting consumers hard. Why
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Speaker 3: don't we have a position that says and avoids the
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Speaker 3: fight about is climate change real or not? Because that's
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Speaker 3: where the left want the coalition to go. But they
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Speaker 3: have a position that says, unless sixty percent of the world,
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Speaker 3: or seventy percent of the world or x number of
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Speaker 3: the big emitters are committed and going action, we're not
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Speaker 3: going to buy into it. Why don't we have a
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Speaker 3: sensible position like that.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's a very good question. I think that it's
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Speaker 8: not a particularly difficult argument to make, which is that
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Speaker 8: you can say that you believe that climate change is real,
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Speaker 8: that humans have some hand in that, but that unless
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Speaker 8: the entire world acts together, then nothing is really done.
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Speaker 8: About it. We are one percent of the world's problem.
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Speaker 8: Nothing we do in Australia will make any difference. But
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Speaker 8: what we can do is beggar our economy and that
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Speaker 8: is what we are doing. So the pathway that we're on.
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Speaker 8: You've got to separate the problem from the solution. And
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Speaker 8: the solution that's being proposed is preposterous. It will cost
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Speaker 8: a fortune, it will beggar Australia and it won't solve
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Speaker 8: the problem. So we need to work out how we
19:41
Speaker 8: spend our money wisely. And so I think again, I
19:43
Speaker 8: think the Coalition has got to focus in on cost
19:46
Speaker 8: and the environment. There're two issues that people care about
19:49
Speaker 8: and make the argument there. They've got to do the groundwork.
19:52
Speaker 8: But Peter, they never do the groundwork. They never make
19:55
Speaker 8: the case. And I appreciate this, you know, I'm trying
19:59
Speaker 8: to make the case. It is a long, hard road
20:01
Speaker 8: to hoe. I know the large bugle of the population
20:04
Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily understand the problem at the moment, but they
20:07
Speaker 8: can be made to understand and that's the coalition's job.
20:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's where the Left have profited on this
20:14
Speaker 3: issue from day one. Right, the complexity of the issue,
20:18
Speaker 3: the goodwill all of us have for the environment, the
20:22
Speaker 3: fact that the left put cursory amounts of information out there.
20:26
Speaker 3: I think the thought that you know, sun's free and
20:29
Speaker 3: the wind's free, so renewables must be cheaper. That's the
20:32
Speaker 3: line from labor. Of course, we know that that's not true.
20:35
Speaker 3: And unless you've got someone with a cut through of
20:37
Speaker 3: a Tony Abbott who can take a complex issue, distill
20:40
Speaker 3: it and make it simple as he did all those
20:43
Speaker 3: years ago and cut through on this issue, if you
20:45
Speaker 3: run it as a global argument of chess beating at
20:50
Speaker 3: the UN and all that stuff, you're going to lose
20:52
Speaker 3: if you make it an economic argument.
20:55
Speaker 2: I think right now you're right.
20:56
Speaker 3: Talking about our pristine national parks, our farmland, and our
21:00
Speaker 3: beautiful oceans.
21:02
Speaker 2: They're also being degraded now.
21:03
Speaker 3: And that's very apparent for people that say you win
21:07
Speaker 3: the fight and you have a threshold, you've got to
21:10
Speaker 3: require a threshold of world action before we start junking
21:14
Speaker 3: our prosperity and chasing this pipe dream.
21:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:20
Speaker 8: Look, Peter, I don't think that the government has much
21:22
Speaker 8: to fear from the Coalition at the moment, not the
21:23
Speaker 8: way that they're running the argument. But I do think
21:25
Speaker 8: that they have something to fear from Bob Brown in
21:27
Speaker 8: Tasmania because he's running a campaign down there on environmental
21:30
Speaker 8: grounds against wind turbines, and if that spreads outside of Tasmania,
21:34
Speaker 8: which well could to the broader community, because someone like
21:37
Speaker 8: Bob Ground has the green credentials to be able to
21:40
Speaker 8: push that argument, to be able to say that we
21:42
Speaker 8: are not saving the environment. In fact, what we are
21:44
Speaker 8: doing in the line that I would use is that
21:47
Speaker 8: we are destroying the environment on the grounds that we're
21:49
Speaker 8: going to save the planet, and we're not doing either
21:51
Speaker 8: of those things. So I think there's plenty of ground
21:54
Speaker 8: on which the Coalition can fight. It just needs to
21:56
Speaker 8: find the form of words and the energysus something together.
22:04
Speaker 3: You and I both know you lose one hundred percent
22:06
Speaker 3: of the fights you're not in, and that's where the
22:08
Speaker 3: coalition is right now. Hey, give me your take on
22:11
Speaker 3: those rallies yesterday.
22:15
Speaker 8: This is a real issue, Peter. People are very concerned
22:17
Speaker 8: about the level of migration in Australia, and of course
22:20
Speaker 8: they will always be dismissed as being racist because that
22:23
Speaker 8: always happens. And I can take you back to the
22:25
Speaker 8: nineteen eighties when people were talking about migration, and Jeffrey
22:28
Speaker 8: Blainey brought out a book called All for Australia, where
22:31
Speaker 8: he pointed out the reasonable fact that the people who
22:34
Speaker 8: make policy about migration do not live in the frontline
22:37
Speaker 8: cities where it lands, and that is still the same
22:40
Speaker 8: case in Australia now. And then you get gas lid
22:42
Speaker 8: about the fact that I can have four hundred and
22:44
Speaker 8: forty seven thousand people come in as they did last
22:46
Speaker 8: year in net migration and that won't have an effect
22:49
Speaker 8: on the housing stock, that won't change people's lives. But
22:52
Speaker 8: of course, again those that argue against these Australians don't
22:56
Speaker 8: live where they live. They don't experience what they experience
22:58
Speaker 8: the pressure that that puts on their lives. This is
23:01
Speaker 8: a big issue for the government. They can call those
23:03
Speaker 8: people racist if they want, but this issue about the
23:06
Speaker 8: amount of migration, I think those people on the streets
23:09
Speaker 8: represent a fraction of those who are concerned about it,
23:12
Speaker 8: and they're concerned on a number of fronts. One of
23:14
Speaker 8: them also is social cohesion. People are worried about the
23:17
Speaker 8: kind of country that we are building now. I believe
23:20
Speaker 8: that all people should come from everywhere to Australia, but
23:23
Speaker 8: they have to sign up to some certain foundational beliefs,
23:26
Speaker 8: and I'm not sure that the public is convinced that
23:28
Speaker 8: they do that at the moment. So there are a
23:30
Speaker 8: lot of issues on the street there, and of course
23:32
Speaker 8: there will always be extremists. But I didn't know. I
23:35
Speaker 8: didn't see, by the way, Peter, that when extremists joined
23:38
Speaker 8: the Palestinian marches across the bridge, that much was made
23:41
Speaker 8: of that. So I think that two different standards are
23:43
Speaker 8: being applied. But in the end this is an issue
23:46
Speaker 8: the government will not be able to run away from.
23:50
Speaker 2: One hundred percent just quickly.
23:53
Speaker 3: Daniel Andrew's Bob Car frontlining a big event in China.
23:57
Speaker 8: What do you make of that, surprise, Peter, I would
24:01
Speaker 8: be surprised if Bob Car wasn't going. No, I wouldn't
24:04
Speaker 8: be surprised if Dan Andrews does go. They've they've made
24:08
Speaker 8: their allegiances, shall I say, very very clear, and when
24:11
Speaker 8: they're sitting there, they will be in the company of
24:13
Speaker 8: the North Korean leader and the Iranian leader, at least
24:16
Speaker 8: the parliamentary leader and Vladimir Putin. So I guess you
24:20
Speaker 8: can tell a person by the company they keep.
24:24
Speaker 3: Well, when Dan makes his millions out of China, which
24:27
Speaker 3: I know he's doing. I hope he gives back the
24:28
Speaker 3: poor Victorian taxpayers of three hundred thousand dollars a paying
24:33
Speaker 3: right now as a retired premier and at least until
24:36
Speaker 3: he probably retires.
24:37
Speaker 2: Chris, great to have you back on the show. Great
24:39
Speaker 2: to be back with you.
24:40
Speaker 3: We'll catch up next week right after break Divide. An
24:42
Speaker 3: attempt by some of the media to gas light those
24:44
Speaker 3: marches yesterdays some sort of radical fringe. We do have
24:48
Speaker 3: a problem, you heard Chris Yielman about the pace and
24:51
Speaker 3: scale of our migration intake. We'll get away from the fiction.
24:54
Speaker 3: We'll get into some facts in a moment with an
24:56
Speaker 3: economist plus taxpayers actually under writing foreign polluters as part
25:02
Speaker 3: of Labour's climate madness. Well, the backfield, the carm how
25:09
Speaker 3: the regions have had an absolute gut full of net zero.
25:13
Speaker 3: When will those in the cities get that. The ABS
25:16
Speaker 3: streamed Bureau of Statistics, though has been accused of trying
25:19
Speaker 3: to censor the migration debate. It comes after economist Leith
25:23
Speaker 3: van Onslan was told by an ABS media officer that
25:27
Speaker 3: it was quote misleading to use monthly net permanent and
25:31
Speaker 3: long term arrivals data as a measure of migration. The
25:35
Speaker 3: ABC's Media Watch program also weighed in.
25:39
Speaker 5: And while yes, the data has been used as an
25:42
Speaker 5: indicator of long term migration trends, the experts we spoke
25:46
Speaker 5: to as shortest that rather than being overwhelmed by migrants,
25:50
Speaker 5: in fact we're getting fewer.
25:53
Speaker 8: It is our expectation that net overseas migration will continue
25:56
Speaker 8: to fall when the next round of numbers is published
25:59
Speaker 8: in September.
26:01
Speaker 3: Joe we now the man himself, Macro Business Chief Economists
26:04
Speaker 3: Lethan Onslin lead, Welcome to the program. I mean, take
26:09
Speaker 3: us through the rationale here. How is net permanent and
26:14
Speaker 3: long term arrivals data typically used as an indicator of migration?
26:19
Speaker 12: Yeah, thanks Peter. So look, Perman, long term arrivals has
26:22
Speaker 12: always been used as a leading indicator of net overseas migration.
26:26
Speaker 12: And the reason for that is that it's a monthly measure,
26:29
Speaker 12: so it gets released with basically roughly a two month
26:32
Speaker 12: flag and that compares to the quarterly Net Overseas migration
26:35
Speaker 12: data which is on a six to nine month lag.
26:38
Speaker 12: So you know, we're in September now and we still
26:40
Speaker 12: don't have net overseas migration numbers that the last reading
26:44
Speaker 12: we got was in the fourth quarter of last year,
26:46
Speaker 12: so it's nearly nine months old. So as a result,
26:49
Speaker 12: US economists we tend to use this Net Permanent long
26:51
Speaker 12: Term Arrivals data to get a read on where migration
26:54
Speaker 12: is going and what that measures. It basically measures border movements,
26:57
Speaker 12: so when someone arrives, they sign a passenger car and
27:00
Speaker 12: they stay, whether they say whether they want to, whether
27:02
Speaker 12: they intend to come in permanently or on a long
27:05
Speaker 12: term basis. And historically the Net perman Long Term Arrivals data,
27:09
Speaker 12: which is produced monthly, tracks the net overseas migration numbers
27:12
Speaker 12: very closely, which is why we use it as a
27:14
Speaker 12: leading indicator.
27:18
Speaker 2: And look it.
27:18
Speaker 3: I also make the point in practical terms too, unless
27:20
Speaker 3: some of the short term tourist if you're here in
27:23
Speaker 3: Australia for any length of time, you need a way
27:26
Speaker 3: to get around, you need a house to live in,
27:29
Speaker 3: you're possibly doing some sort of work, and often, as
27:32
Speaker 3: we do in this country, not every country does. You
27:35
Speaker 3: can come in as a non permanent migrant. You might
27:38
Speaker 3: be a student or something and you can migrate your
27:41
Speaker 3: way or shift across to being permanent over time.
27:43
Speaker 2: So I think it's very, very valid.
27:45
Speaker 3: So will you surprise that the Bureau Statistics raise.
27:48
Speaker 2: This as an issue?
27:50
Speaker 4: Yeah?
27:50
Speaker 12: Absolutely so. As I said, the net perman long term
27:52
Speaker 12: arrivals number has always been used as a leading indicator.
27:55
Speaker 12: It's been used by everyone for as long as I know,
27:57
Speaker 12: and even the Center for Population, which has run out
27:59
Speaker 12: of Strangelogy that's our official government subdepartment on migration. In
28:06
Speaker 12: their official Guide on Migration Statistics, they say that net
28:09
Speaker 12: perma long term arrivals is a leading indicator of net
28:12
Speaker 12: overseas migration. So I'm not really sure what the ABS's
28:14
Speaker 12: beef is.
28:16
Speaker 1: I was very perplexed.
28:19
Speaker 3: And if the ABC's numbers are right, if you aggreget it,
28:21
Speaker 3: so far in the first half of the year is
28:23
Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty thousand. If it tracks at those
28:26
Speaker 3: levels to the end of this year, what does that
28:30
Speaker 3: look like in terms of history?
28:33
Speaker 12: Yeah, obviously, so two in eighty thousand for the first
28:36
Speaker 12: six months this year's a record. That's the highest ever been.
28:39
Speaker 12: I don't expect net overseas migration to be running quite
28:41
Speaker 12: that strong, but what I do think is I think
28:43
Speaker 12: net overseas migration has picked up again and we're seeing
28:45
Speaker 12: that also in the rental market. So the latest rental
28:49
Speaker 12: data which has been released today by Totality in SQM
28:52
Speaker 12: Research Etc. Shows that rental vancy rates have fallen again
28:55
Speaker 12: and back towards record lows after rising a bit last year,
29:00
Speaker 12: and rental growth also rising again. Peter, So, like the
29:03
Speaker 12: peronel long terem rivals data, this titan in rental market
29:06
Speaker 12: suggests that immigration is rising again. And I think that's
29:09
Speaker 12: the thing that we need to focus on here that
29:11
Speaker 12: the net penal ang term rivals is a directional measure
29:13
Speaker 12: and attracts and tracks the official net overseas migration in
29:16
Speaker 12: a directional sense, not so much in a number sense,
29:19
Speaker 12: but irrespective, it looks like net overseas migration is rising
29:22
Speaker 12: again when Labour promised that it was going to continue
29:25
Speaker 12: to fall.
29:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
29:27
Speaker 3: And what's interesting too, I mean, when you're looking at
29:29
Speaker 3: a data, when you're dealing with the abs, when you're
29:31
Speaker 3: an economist, it's much harder for them to argue emotion
29:36
Speaker 3: with you. I mean, they can label people turning up
29:38
Speaker 3: a protest rallies yesterday is racist of some sort. But
29:42
Speaker 3: if you're looking at black and white numbers, you're not
29:44
Speaker 3: imputing any emotion into this leath. I can understand why
29:48
Speaker 3: the GUV would like you to disappear and not report
29:50
Speaker 3: on this sort of data. Talk to me about this
29:52
Speaker 3: piece you've written today. It's turned up staff and that
29:55
Speaker 3: India will build one million homes for Indians. Fair enough,
30:00
Speaker 3: but this is in Australia.
30:02
Speaker 2: Tell us more.
30:03
Speaker 12: Yeah, So this whole story reads and sounds like satire,
30:08
Speaker 12: and I hope it is satire because the Indian media
30:10
Speaker 12: over night, so we're talking about the Economy Times of India,
30:12
Speaker 12: which is like their Financial Times or Australian Financial Review,
30:16
Speaker 12: and a whole bunch of other media outlets quoted an
30:19
Speaker 12: Indian minister who claimed that he's in quote deep negotiations
30:23
Speaker 12: with Australia to have Indian workers build one million homes
30:27
Speaker 12: in Australia, which is just ludicrous when you think about it.
30:32
Speaker 12: And I've reached out to Trade Minister Don Farrell's office
30:36
Speaker 12: to ask whether this is true and whether it's whether
30:39
Speaker 12: it's actually a real thing. I'm yet to you hear back.
30:43
Speaker 12: It's incredibly cynical policy if it's true, because as we know,
30:47
Speaker 12: according to Costamaris, the pollsters numbers eighty five percent of
30:52
Speaker 12: the Indian diaspora vote for labor and it could be
30:54
Speaker 12: labor Tront and Jerrymander. If that's the case, I bring
30:56
Speaker 12: in a whole bunch of voters to vote labor and then.
31:00
Speaker 3: Sorry, can I can I put you up there? Are
31:02
Speaker 3: you saying, because that's a little bit different than the headline?
31:05
Speaker 3: Are you saying this is Indian workers building homes in
31:08
Speaker 3: Australia for anyone? Or is it Indian workers building homes
31:13
Speaker 3: in Australia for Indians?
31:16
Speaker 2: Yeah?
31:16
Speaker 12: Well, I mean we don't know, so I think I
31:19
Speaker 12: think this whole thing sounds far fetched, and I'm waiting
31:21
Speaker 12: to hear back from Minister Don Ferrell's offers. But as
31:24
Speaker 12: we know, like the I very much doubt we'd be
31:28
Speaker 12: bringing Indian workers just to come here, build homes and
31:31
Speaker 12: go home. They probably come over here to migrate, right,
31:33
Speaker 12: So if this is true, which I don't think it is,
31:37
Speaker 12: but I'm waiting to hear back. But it has been
31:38
Speaker 12: reported widely across the Indian media. By quoting an Indian minister,
31:43
Speaker 12: it just sounds like complete satire, but it has been
31:45
Speaker 12: quoted across the Indian media, so it can only take him.
31:47
Speaker 1: At the word.
31:48
Speaker 12: But if it's true, you know, join the dots.
31:54
Speaker 3: Goodness may well last stay in touch with you Leith
31:57
Speaker 3: tomorrow to say what happens with the minister and what
31:59
Speaker 3: we can report tomorrow night.
32:00
Speaker 2: Thank you.
32:01
Speaker 3: Where doctor break how one of Labor's centerpiece renewable schemes
32:04
Speaker 3: has become a slush fund for off shore companies. Last,
32:08
Speaker 3: the astronomical pay packet of the big energy bosses. Your
32:11
Speaker 3: bills are going up, Their pay packets are certainly going
32:14
Speaker 3: up as well.
32:20
Speaker 1: Well.
32:20
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I was glued to
32:22
Speaker 3: my TV on Friday those astonishing scenes both the Prime
32:25
Speaker 3: Minister and the Victorian Premier facing the wrath of farmers
32:30
Speaker 3: in regional Victoria. We'll get to that in a moment,
32:32
Speaker 3: but first, in its attempt to achieve net zero, the
32:35
Speaker 3: Labor government has taxpayers, that's you, underwriting foreign businesses. The
32:41
Speaker 3: government's flagship capacity Investment scheme, which likes so much of
32:45
Speaker 3: its renewables, rollout shrouded in secrecy. But in just one
32:50
Speaker 3: example we've learnt about, taxpayers will cover some ninety cents
32:54
Speaker 3: in every dollar that is lost below in a green
32:57
Speaker 3: value for their operations of a giant Chinese owned solar
33:00
Speaker 3: farm plus two wind farms.
33:03
Speaker 2: Built by Twiggy Forest.
33:04
Speaker 3: This along with earlier news of tenders going to firms
33:07
Speaker 3: based in Spain, Denmark, Japan and the Philippines. Goodness me,
33:12
Speaker 3: we're told this is supposed to be a good deal
33:14
Speaker 3: for Australia. Joined me now to discuss this and more.
33:17
Speaker 3: Director of Energy Research at the Center for Independent Studies,
33:21
Speaker 3: Aid Morrison Aiden, welcome.
33:24
Speaker 2: Well, this doesn't sound right.
33:26
Speaker 3: I don't read in there much of a deal for Australia,
33:28
Speaker 3: certainly not for poor old taxpayers. Can you explain how
33:32
Speaker 3: the scheme works?
33:36
Speaker 2: Yes, I Ken.
33:37
Speaker 4: This is basically a whatever it takes subsidy to ensure
33:40
Speaker 4: that renewables get built. And it's been described by Kirsty Gowans,
33:44
Speaker 4: who's one of the very senior public servant officials in
33:46
Speaker 4: Chris Bowen's department, as being required because the full cost
33:50
Speaker 4: of the energy transition won't be politically sustainable to the
33:53
Speaker 4: public to electricity price payers, so it's an attempt to
33:56
Speaker 4: socialize it through the tax system so that we pay
33:59
Speaker 4: through our taxes instead of through our power bills. And
34:02
Speaker 4: to do that, what they essentially do is they ask
34:04
Speaker 4: any power company that wants to build a wind farm
34:06
Speaker 4: or a solar farm how much revenue they need and
34:09
Speaker 4: establish a baseline, and they say, we will guarantee that amount,
34:12
Speaker 4: and if you fall below that revenue, we'll pay ninety
34:14
Speaker 4: cents in the dollar to bring you up to that
34:16
Speaker 4: minimum guaranteed baseline of revenue that you require. And they
34:19
Speaker 4: can just come and say how much they think they
34:21
Speaker 4: need for that baseline. It's only another level which they
34:24
Speaker 4: can nominate themselves, where they earn more than that, which
34:26
Speaker 4: is highly unlikely that we pay that. We get fifty
34:29
Speaker 4: cents in the dollar back again, So it's whatever it
34:32
Speaker 4: takes subsidy that's required to basically forced taxpayers to pay
34:36
Speaker 4: for power bills that consumers would not put up with.
34:41
Speaker 2: Anyway. That all this foreign companies are knocking on our door.
34:43
Speaker 3: We know that over seventy percent our of wind farms
34:46
Speaker 3: of Foreig and Eye, and we know that seventy plus
34:49
Speaker 3: percent of our big soul of factories are foreign owned.
34:53
Speaker 3: I mean, this has got to be going around the
34:56
Speaker 3: world like wildfire and they come to Australia and get a.
34:59
Speaker 2: Ride on the taxpayer.
35:00
Speaker 3: Those guys haven't woken up to the to the gravy
35:04
Speaker 3: train they've got going.
35:08
Speaker 4: That's absolutely right. That's why we're sort of such an
35:10
Speaker 4: attractive destination for an investment. And you'll see all the
35:13
Speaker 4: names companies like Ibadrolla, like ENNG, like noin this big
35:17
Speaker 4: French and Spanish giants that are that are coming in
35:19
Speaker 4: ace and renewables. They're on one of the other recipients
35:23
Speaker 4: from the Philippines. So this is a destination attraction because
35:26
Speaker 4: we've created a whatever it takes subsidy scheme to basically
35:29
Speaker 4: pay whatever someone wants to nominate to build these projects.
35:32
Speaker 4: So that's why it's being built. We are being rolled
35:35
Speaker 4: up to because we're a gravy train here.
35:38
Speaker 3: Let's call out Chris Bowin yet again. I mean today
35:41
Speaker 3: is out there telling their Financial Review that Australia will
35:43
Speaker 3: achieve eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty. But the
35:48
Speaker 3: same paper published data just the other day I think
35:50
Speaker 3: was Saturday. On the front page, Energy consultancy Rice Stad
35:55
Speaker 3: says though we won't will only be at sixty percent
35:58
Speaker 3: by twenty thirty. That's even worse the earlier modeling that
36:01
Speaker 3: we've had on the table. Who's right here, Chris Bowen
36:04
Speaker 3: or yet another expert.
36:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, well definitely not Chris Bowen. I think eighty two percent,
36:13
Speaker 4: as everyone saying is acknowledging now, including the likes of
36:16
Speaker 4: Ross Guarno, are saying, we're not going to hit the
36:18
Speaker 4: eighty two percent target or anywhere close to it. One
36:21
Speaker 4: of the pieces of evidences on the table is that
36:22
Speaker 4: a workforce report that was supported by AEMO actually demonstrates
36:27
Speaker 4: that we have to something like double our entire electricity
36:30
Speaker 4: workforce and triple the number of electrical engineers that we
36:33
Speaker 4: have by twenty twenty nine in order to actually meet
36:36
Speaker 4: that rollout. So it's just insanely implausible. Even if we
36:40
Speaker 4: had the investment, they're ready to go, we could not
36:42
Speaker 4: physically build that amount. I think Reichstad is actually being
36:45
Speaker 4: very generous. We're even seeing now that some of the
36:47
Speaker 4: projects that are awarded tenders to build under the capacity
36:50
Speaker 4: investment scheme are very slow to execute and actually are
36:53
Speaker 4: not rolling forward with the actual uptake of that offer
36:56
Speaker 4: of underwriting as soon as we might expect. So it
36:59
Speaker 4: seems that this the investment is actually slowing down. There's
37:02
Speaker 4: been no new onshore wind farms financially committed to in
37:05
Speaker 4: the first half of this year, so I'd be extremely
37:08
Speaker 4: surprised if we even reach sixty percent by twenty thirty.
37:13
Speaker 3: So what's that mean for the twenty thirty five targets
37:15
Speaker 3: AGM Because they're due out in a matter of weeks,
37:17
Speaker 3: so they were supposed to be, according to the law,
37:21
Speaker 3: out in February, but of course that'd be inconvenient for
37:23
Speaker 3: the election. We're getting them now, we're told in a
37:25
Speaker 3: matter of weeks. But if we're so far behind now
37:29
Speaker 3: on twenty thirty in reality, won't that make the government
37:33
Speaker 3: and Chris Moowen go even harder with twenty thirty five,
37:36
Speaker 3: we know that's when they're really going to get into
37:38
Speaker 3: to transport. They're going to go hard into agriculture.
37:42
Speaker 2: Is that the worry?
37:46
Speaker 4: Look, that might be the case for missions reductions, but
37:48
Speaker 4: I think that the bump on effect that we need
37:50
Speaker 4: to be aware of is that when they up the
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Speaker 4: targets even another five years out after targets they'll miss
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Speaker 4: for twenty thirty. The effect it has is on the
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Speaker 4: regulatory system because it basically boosts up the business case
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Speaker 4: for a whole bunch of other transmission projects that are
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Speaker 4: currently not looking like they're in consumer's interests because those
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Speaker 4: costs are blown out as well, so upping the twenty
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Speaker 4: thirty five targets helps them basically force and shoehorn all
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Speaker 4: the tests that should be checking whether the investments are
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Speaker 4: in consumers' interests to pretend that they are, because we're
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Speaker 4: going to build an even more unrealistic number of renewable
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Speaker 4: energy developments out to twenty thirty five, and those years
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Speaker 4: out to twenty thirty five and right out to twenty
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Speaker 4: fifty are included in those cost benefit analyses that should
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Speaker 4: be calling out the nonsense, but we're basically putting more
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Speaker 4: fiction into those with those twenty thirty five targets to
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Speaker 4: help force the systems we have in place to build
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Speaker 4: extra transmission projects right now.
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Speaker 3: Really and truly, and this is all going to happen
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Speaker 3: at the same time as AI hits our economy. We've
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Speaker 3: got obviously all the strategic challenges to our Earth, to
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Speaker 3: our north. I think it's going to be a very
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Speaker 3: rocky decade ahead. Thanks Saydan, thanks for your time. After
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Speaker 3: the break that palpable anger from f is Bush Summit
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Speaker 3: in Ballarat, PM and the Premier copped it as they should.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into that in a moment. Class, you're voting
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Speaker 3: to pay your power bill. Well, if you run an
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Speaker 3: energy company, you've got a big bump to your salary today.
39:12
Speaker 3: And the huge revelations about the scope and scale of
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Speaker 3: Victoria's up to out secret Aboriginal treaty.
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Speaker 2: The Monday panel welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Now, if you are busy on Friday, you might have
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Speaker 3: missed the frosty reception the Prime Minister, the Victoria Premier.
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Speaker 3: How did the bush summit sky use and use called
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Speaker 3: bush summit in Ballarat on Friday? Local growers and graziers,
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Speaker 3: they didn't hold back. Both the Premier and the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister copped it. Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: The bush gives you something you simply can't find anywhere else.
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Speaker 2: The fresh air, the quiet, the space.
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Speaker 13: We do need energy and the cheapest form of new
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Speaker 13: energy is renewables. Climate change, the science told us that
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Speaker 13: climate change was real.
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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll have to stop if you keep interjecting.
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Speaker 3: Now, clearly all of that anger in the room clearly
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Speaker 3: got under the Prime minister skin.
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Speaker 1: But I won't bullshit people.
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Speaker 13: I won't say I won't say.
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Speaker 2: Thank He's been doing a lot of that for a
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Speaker 2: long time.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into this now with my panel joining me
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Speaker 3: in our one Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby and
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Speaker 3: Queensland Senator LMP Senator James McGrath.
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Speaker 2: Well, gents, welcome, James MgrA tell you what people are angry.
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Speaker 2: You know that.
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Speaker 3: I know you get around the bush in Queensland and
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Speaker 3: I spent January in February doing stories from the malley
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Speaker 3: in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: They're angry. Then they're even angrier.
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Speaker 3: After legislation being rammed through the Victorian Parliament finding them
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Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars if they want to lock
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Speaker 3: their gate to these transmission lines. But the message is
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Speaker 3: getting through in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: The message is not getting through to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: He said, he's not going to BS people. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to swear because our kids might be watching the program.
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Speaker 1: But this guy is a BS factory where there's all
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Speaker 1: the stuff, all the lies he told during the election campaign,
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Speaker 1: all the lies he's saying now. He takes Australians for granted.
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Speaker 1: He particularly takes rural, regional, remote Australians granted for granted,
41:26
Speaker 1: and so does the Victorian State Labor government. They don't
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Speaker 1: care about the bush because they think the food is
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Speaker 1: something that comes from the fridge and not from farmers.
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Speaker 2: I do what.
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Speaker 3: It's been a wet and cole winter for much of
41:40
Speaker 3: Australia this year. So when you open up your power bill,
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Speaker 3: how to listen to this? You might be doing it tough,
41:47
Speaker 3: but not so. The boss of the Australia's largest energy company,
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Speaker 3: the Electricity Giant, to receive one point two million dollars
41:54
Speaker 3: in a pay rise. That's just the rise last financial year.
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Speaker 3: That's the boss of Origin Energy.
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Speaker 2: I'm the only one though, James Ashby.
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Speaker 3: If you are an energy boss, you're in good clover.
42:06
Speaker 3: But if you're an ordinary Australia and you're battling to
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Speaker 3: pay the bills.
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Speaker 7: And we saw last year two hundred thousand people towards
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Speaker 7: the end of twenty twenty four were at least ninety
42:18
Speaker 7: days in arrears when it came to paying their power bills.
42:21
Speaker 7: And here we are less than twelve months on and
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Speaker 7: forty percent of households and businesses and now struggling to
42:27
Speaker 7: pay their power bills across this country. It's only getting worse, Peter.
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Speaker 7: And the solution this Prime Minister in this government say
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Speaker 7: is to put more renewables not only into the national
42:37
Speaker 7: grid but into your household. How can you afford to
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Speaker 7: put these on? I'm fortunate enough, Peter. We're in a
42:43
Speaker 7: position we're about to build a new house. I looked
42:47
Speaker 7: at what the Prime Minister has been proposing, and to
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Speaker 7: put one hundred kilowatt system on a house, plus the
42:52
Speaker 7: redundancy of a diesel generator is going to cost me
42:54
Speaker 7: at least one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Who can
42:57
Speaker 7: pull that from their backside to try and mitigate these
43:01
Speaker 7: high energy costs that are just going up and up
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Speaker 7: and up every time we open a power bill, no
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Speaker 7: one can. No one's buying the BS, as the PM
43:11
Speaker 7: likes to say, he likes to use that colorful language,
43:13
Speaker 7: but no one's buying at PM. And that is why
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Speaker 7: both he and the Premier of Victoria copped the backlash
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Speaker 7: from that audience.
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Speaker 8: It wasn't one of.
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Speaker 7: The typical scripted door or contained media presence. This was
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Speaker 7: in front of a live audience where anything could go wrong,
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Speaker 7: and they felt the heat of that audience. Last week.
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Speaker 2: I actually thought they were polite.
43:36
Speaker 3: I've heard worse than the pub When the Prime minister's
43:38
Speaker 3: name has been raised with me when I've been out filming,
43:40
Speaker 3: so I thought they contained themselves there. Let's go to
43:44
Speaker 3: some big business down in Victoria. A range of Australia's
43:48
Speaker 3: largest retail companies have finally found a bit of backbone
43:53
Speaker 3: against the Allen Labor government and this is over work
43:56
Speaker 3: from home policies. They're saying that the changes they just
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Speaker 3: into Alan want to bring in, and of course Victoria
44:02
Speaker 3: is the petridish. If it comes into Victoria, it'll be
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Speaker 3: replicated around the country. They're saying that the plans make
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Speaker 3: no sense. It's nothing, they say, other than a grab
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Speaker 3: for votes.
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Speaker 2: We're here too.
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Speaker 3: Over the weekend, James regard that story that, surprise surprise,
44:19
Speaker 3: working from home has actually increased the mental health issues
44:24
Speaker 3: of those who do it all the time because they
44:26
Speaker 3: say they are isolated and they are lonely and they're
44:30
Speaker 3: missing the camaraderie of the workplace.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty much common sense. People do miss the workplace.
44:40
Speaker 1: They miss the gossip around the water cooler, the shannigans
44:42
Speaker 1: in the kitchen over who's spilt stumps, some messer in
44:45
Speaker 1: the microwave, and the fact they can talk person to
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Speaker 1: person about issues that impact their employer. And what Victoria
44:52
Speaker 1: shows is a government that does not have the right priorities.
44:55
Speaker 1: Crime is out of control in Victoria, particularly in Melbourne.
44:58
Speaker 1: And what is the government doing well, they're talking about
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Speaker 1: anything about crime, and they're interfering in the relationship between
45:05
Speaker 1: the employee and the employer. If the boss and the
45:08
Speaker 1: staffer want to come to arrangement where people work from
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Speaker 1: home or don't work from home, let them do that.
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Speaker 1: Let freedom reign there. But the fact that government is
45:16
Speaker 1: doing this just shows it is all about votes. It's
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Speaker 1: not about the priorities of Victorians, which has been kept safe.
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Speaker 3: Other than the need to pay my mortgage. I came
45:29
Speaker 3: back to work because I Misschie Wall. This is the
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Speaker 3: whole point. This is the whole point about work from home.
45:34
Speaker 3: And of course it's a big problem in Victoria because
45:36
Speaker 3: it's basically the whole state works from home if you're
45:39
Speaker 3: in the public service, unlike the other states where the
45:40
Speaker 3: premiers have said even labor premiers get back to the
45:43
Speaker 3: bloody office. Hey talk to me if you can. James
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Speaker 3: James Ashby about this story today.
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Speaker 2: In the age revelations that the Allen government.
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Speaker 3: Will establish a permanent taxpayer funded Indigenous body.
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Speaker 2: It's a voice mark.
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Speaker 3: Two special access though for this body to the Parliament
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Speaker 3: and two ministers as the centerpiece of the treaty legislation.
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Speaker 2: Now, this has been.
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Speaker 3: Secret and Alan has said when pushed on this impressed
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Speaker 3: conferences that nothing's off the table.
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Speaker 2: You know, Gopher broke.
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Speaker 3: Everything's on the table, including reparations. This is not going
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Speaker 3: to bring Victorians together. This is going to create even
46:23
Speaker 3: more division, isn't it.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure will. And I was speaking to our one
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Speaker 7: Nation member in the Upper House there in Victoria, Ricky
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Speaker 7: Lee Tyrrel, who happens to be Indigenous. I might just
46:37
Speaker 7: say she doesn't play on it like others do. But
46:40
Speaker 7: no consultation with her. And I've been told that it
46:42
Speaker 7: will pass not only with the Green support, but the
46:45
Speaker 7: Stoners and Animal Justice will get behind and back labor
46:49
Speaker 7: in implementing this legislation. What I find really interesting, as
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Speaker 7: you know, we've got the Declaration of Human Rights statement
46:56
Speaker 7: that needs to be assessed every time a bit of
46:59
Speaker 7: legislation goes through. Well, it's been revealed today if you
47:02
Speaker 7: can get anything out of this, that a Treaty compatibility
47:06
Speaker 7: statement will be required for any legislation moving forward and
47:11
Speaker 7: it again just pits white vers black or Aboriginal verse
47:15
Speaker 7: everyone else who wants to call themselves Australian against one
47:18
Speaker 7: another in Victoria. It's not a good sign and unfortunately
47:22
Speaker 7: it's going to be rail roaded through as legislation. I
47:24
Speaker 7: don't think Victoria will ever ever have the numbers on
47:27
Speaker 7: the conservative side moving forward to ever repeal it.
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Speaker 3: This is where the Victoria leaves have got to go
47:34
Speaker 3: for break and win a landslide and unwined seventy million
47:38
Speaker 3: a year cause in his legislation, one hundred percent of
47:41
Speaker 3: the state that's almost bankrupt.
47:42
Speaker 2: How are you a big win for Linda Reynolds.
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Speaker 3: Last week in the defamation case against Brittany Higgins calls
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Speaker 3: for the Prime Minister now to apologize James mcgra when
47:53
Speaker 3: is Labor going to take some responsibility here, not just
47:55
Speaker 3: for the many millions of taxpayer dollars paid out on
47:59
Speaker 3: the bis of some of the information in this defamation suit,
48:02
Speaker 3: but also those mean girl senators.
48:08
Speaker 1: It's not just the mean girls, and I'm looking at you,
48:10
Speaker 1: Penny Wong and Katie Gallaher, it's the mean boys like
48:13
Speaker 1: Murray Watt and the Prime Minister because he won't apologize
48:16
Speaker 1: to Linda Reynolds, and as importantly, he won't apologize to
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Speaker 1: Fiona Brown, who was a staffer who did the right
48:23
Speaker 1: thing has been caught up on this. If the government
48:26
Speaker 1: had any morality, they would apologize to Linda for the
48:29
Speaker 1: treatment that she was put through because she did the
48:31
Speaker 1: right thing by all of her staff, and they would
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Speaker 1: also apologize and ensure that Fiona Brown has looked after.
48:38
Speaker 1: But we've got a mean and tricky prime minister and
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Speaker 1: a mean and tricky labor government.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, James Ashby.
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Speaker 3: This has happened while I was away, but data's in
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Speaker 3: now one in ten parents have pulled their kids from childcare.
48:51
Speaker 3: I am sympathetic to their view, but we also find
48:54
Speaker 3: the spite legislation in Victoria. There's a whole lot of
48:57
Speaker 3: people that are walking through these so called checks. There
49:01
Speaker 3: is no integrity in the system. There are still loopholes.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and given we've now got almost a third of
49:09
Speaker 7: Australians born overseas, it's very hard to do those police
49:12
Speaker 7: checks when they might have a clean record here in Australia,
49:15
Speaker 7: but we don't know the history when they've been or
49:18
Speaker 7: when they've come in from another country. It is a concern,
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Speaker 7: and I don't blame parents for reducing the time they
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Speaker 7: want their kids to spend in childcare with this new knowledge.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've got to say it again, the money
49:29
Speaker 3: should go to the parent to choose the sort of
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Speaker 3: care that best suits their family at the time, and
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Speaker 3: not go to the unionized childcare industry.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there.
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Speaker 3: Gents, great to have your company. Enjoy the sitting week.
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Speaker 3: I'm great to be back. I am delighted to be
49:43
Speaker 3: back to have your company as well. Let's have a
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Speaker 3: good night tonight. Andrew bolts up next