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Legally Brunette: Sixteen Children & Their “House of Horrors” · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode Illegally Brunettes. I will
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  Speaker 1: be your host today, Emily Simpson with my sidekick Shane
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  Speaker 1: Shane Shane. Okay, we have to talk about the sixteen
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  Speaker 1: children found in Ohio. First of all, it's Ohio, and
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  Speaker 1: you like to make fun of Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: They're your people, those are my people. You know.
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  Speaker 1: The very first person that sent me this case was
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  Speaker 1: my sister who still lives in Ohio currently, and she
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  Speaker 1: sent it to me and she said, this case is
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  Speaker 1: going to be huge. You might want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: it on your podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I read an article about it and then she
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  Speaker 1: was right, because I'm telling you, right after I read
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  Speaker 1: the article on the sixteen kids that were removed from
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  Speaker 1: this you know, quote house of horrors. It is everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: It is definitely what's it called globally?
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  Speaker 2: What are we referring to this case as or what's
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  Speaker 2: the name it's.
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  Speaker 1: We're calling it the sixteen children found in Ohio? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So authorities have uncovered what appears to be
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  Speaker 1: a long term child abuse and neglect case in rural Hampden, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: after discovering sixteen children living in horrific conditions inside an
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  Speaker 1: isolated home in a twelve by twelve room. Let's what's
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  Speaker 1: something that would be twelve by twelve, like something comparable,
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  Speaker 1: like an office, like a small office, Yeah, very small office.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely smaller than even a single car garage. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So a basic bedroom like one of our boys bedrooms
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  Speaker 2: is probably basically basically Well, it might even be fifteen
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  Speaker 2: by fifteen, so even smaller.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so imagine a smaller room.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how many people are in there?
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  Speaker 1: Sixteen children?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they each have you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: less than a square eight square feet to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do they have eight square feet?
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  Speaker 2: Because twelve by twelve one hundred and forty four score
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  Speaker 2: feet divided by sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you just did that math that fast.
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  Speaker 2: Well I'm guessing, yeah, eight feet.
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  Speaker 1: The children were aged eighteen months to eighteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: and the case is still ongoing. It's ongoing because I
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  Speaker 1: tell you, every time I look at Instagram, there's just
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  Speaker 1: there's new, new new. My initial question was when I
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  Speaker 1: first read about this case, was they were not initially
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  Speaker 1: on the property to look for the children, because nobody
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  Speaker 1: knew that there were children in this home. They were
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  Speaker 1: there on a different warrant, and I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: for the son. I think his name's Gary Siders. He
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  Speaker 1: had indecent exposure charges like multiple Oh, so I believe
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  Speaker 1: they had some type of arrest warrant for him and
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  Speaker 1: that's what allowed them to be on the property to
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  Speaker 1: look for him. And then when they were on the
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  Speaker 1: property looking for him or to you know, arrest him,
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  Speaker 1: they came across this room with sixteen kids living in
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  Speaker 1: They say deplorable.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can't have sixteen people in it in
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  Speaker 2: that room and not have it clean. And then you
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  Speaker 2: know they were there for years, Well, they.
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  Speaker 1: Were there for four years in this house, four years,
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  Speaker 1: four years, and the neighbors claim that they had no
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  Speaker 1: idea that there were sixteen kids. So authorities execute a
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  Speaker 1: search warren at a home in Hampdon, Ohio. This is
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  Speaker 1: on June thirtieth of this year, as part of an
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  Speaker 1: investigation involving Gary Siders, Junior and misdemeanor indecent exposure charges
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  Speaker 1: that are filed against him. First of all, what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing? I want more details on the indecent exposure
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  Speaker 1: Like is he out at Dollar General? Does drop in
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  Speaker 1: his pants when people walk in and out?
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  Speaker 2: Why the Dollar General.
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  Speaker 1: Why not because I did read well, because this is
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  Speaker 1: rural Ohio, and I don't think there's a Saxsmith Avenue around.
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  Speaker 1: And I do believe there's a Dollar General because I
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  Speaker 1: think I saw an interview with someone who worked at
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  Speaker 1: the Dollar General that was saying that Gary and Elizabeth,
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  Speaker 1: his wife, the woman that supposedly birthed all of these children,
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  Speaker 1: would come into the Dollar General. So Gary Siders Junior
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  Speaker 1: is thirty six, his wife, Elizabeth Siders, is thirty three,
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  Speaker 1: and then Gary's parents also live in this home. Gary
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  Speaker 1: Siders Senior, who is seventy three, and Christina Siders sixty six.
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  Speaker 1: They're all living in the home together. You had to
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  Speaker 1: have seen the photos of the.
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  Speaker 2: Four of them. No, I personally didn't look. So is
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  Speaker 2: this home larger than twelve by twelve? They just put
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  Speaker 2: them in one room?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's a very small house.
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  Speaker 2: Me. Here's a photo I did see a picture of
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  Speaker 2: the house on the right.
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  Speaker 1: And then inside the house is just a small twelve
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  Speaker 1: by twelve room that all sixteen kids were inside.
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  Speaker 2: That's like solitary confinement, right.
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  Speaker 1: And the way I understand it is the smell was
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  Speaker 1: so horrific that when the police entered to get the
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  Speaker 1: kids out like it was on them and they could
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  Speaker 1: continue to smell it because I I'm assuming that these
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  Speaker 1: kids were just urinating, and yeah, they.
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  Speaker 2: Weren't be No one was cleaning, No one was.
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  Speaker 1: Cleaning them or taking them to the back.
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  Speaker 2: In two accidents, sitting there is going to be bad.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators were shocked to discover that sixteen children were in
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  Speaker 1: the home as well, ranging in ages from eighteen months
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  Speaker 1: to eighteen years old. Officials say that children appeared to
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  Speaker 1: have spent most of the previous four years confined to
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  Speaker 1: a single measuring only twelve by twelve. Investigators report the
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  Speaker 1: home and the twelve by twelve room are filled with
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  Speaker 1: human waste, and describe the living conditions as worse than
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  Speaker 1: those typically used for livestock. Several children are reportedly unable
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  Speaker 1: to speak, while an eighteen year old with developmental disabilities
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  Speaker 1: cannot write her own name. Here's the question, was she
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  Speaker 1: born with developmental disabilities or is she a product of
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  Speaker 1: neglect and now has probably both disabilities because.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever she came into those world with, they weren't going
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  Speaker 2: to help her, so probably exasperated it conditions.
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  Speaker 1: Seven children are transported to hospitals, including one who is
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  Speaker 1: listed in critical condition. Two are flown by helicopter for treatment.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I wish we had more details on the
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  Speaker 1: children and just the you know, like the seven that
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  Speaker 1: are transported to the hospital, what they're what they're I mean,
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  Speaker 1: are there injuries? Are they dehydrated? Are they malnourished? I
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  Speaker 1: am assuming probably all of those? Is it? Is it
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  Speaker 1: child abuse in the fact that do they have broken bones?
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  Speaker 1: Are their cruises or are they just malnourished and or
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  Speaker 1: living right? The remaining children are placed in the temporary
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  Speaker 1: custody of Ohio child welfare officials. This is what's interesting
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  Speaker 1: to me because they call and I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: much of this is just salacious news reporting, because obviously
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  Speaker 1: when anyone reports on this case, they use buzzwords, right, feral,
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  Speaker 1: you know, deplorable, and so I don't know how much
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  Speaker 1: of that is accurate, Like how feral.
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  Speaker 2: All of these sixteen kids assigned to one small room
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  Speaker 2: for what we assume is four years, They're going to
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  Speaker 2: have bad conditions, right, and you're trying to see if
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  Speaker 2: there's a way where maybe it was. No, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: as bad as it's portrayal.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's bad, and I think it's awful. I
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  Speaker 1: just I know how the media operates, and they're always
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  Speaker 1: going to operate in a way where every headline is salacious.
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  Speaker 1: And when they use the term feral, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: call Annabelle ferreal. So I'm saying, are they using it
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  Speaker 1: in an accurate terminology where these children are literally like
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  Speaker 1: hunched over and unable to walk, cross.
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  Speaker 2: Can't speak, their mannerisms and ability to take care of
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  Speaker 2: themselves don't exist.
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  Speaker 1: Because this is what it was reminding me of. Now,
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  Speaker 1: these kids are in foster care, some type of care,
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  Speaker 1: you know, run by the state of Ohio. Where can
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  Speaker 1: you take children like this where they're gonna where someone
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  Speaker 1: is able or the.
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  Speaker 2: Help that they're going to need to assimilate the normal
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  Speaker 2: civilian life. It's very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: If these children are as feral as these articles are
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  Speaker 1: portraying them to be, and they are legitimately feral as
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  Speaker 1: they keep referring to them, how do you take I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm a foster parent and they say, hey, can
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  Speaker 1: you take a couple of kids. They don't speak, they
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  Speaker 1: can't communicate.
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  Speaker 2: There's gonna be special people. I mean, they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to just give it to anyone that's on the next
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  Speaker 2: on the list for taking in a foster child. They're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to be qualified.
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  Speaker 1: But how are you? I don't know. How do you
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  Speaker 1: qualify people for a condition like that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have those answers.
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  Speaker 1: You know what it reminds me of? And this is
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  Speaker 1: what I looked up because I thought, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: if a child is feral, meaning they don't speak, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they just eat with their hands, they're hunched over,
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  Speaker 1: they probably don't even walk properly. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: level of farah we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it's that level. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: guess the media. I just use that word because that
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  Speaker 2: was my point.
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  Speaker 1: But let's say they are, then there is a certain
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  Speaker 1: point of no return. Because I looked up that situation,
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  Speaker 1: I texted it to you. It was the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the movie The Jungle Book is based on a true
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  Speaker 1: story about a young boy that was found living with.
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  Speaker 2: A true animals can't sing, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Not the Jungle Book not true, but it's based upon
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  Speaker 1: a true story of a young boy. I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: the year I sent it to you. It was eighteen something,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, he was found living in a cave with wolves,
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  Speaker 1: and he was feral obviously, and he was then rescued
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  Speaker 1: and taken into civilization, and but he never he never.
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  Speaker 2: How old was he?
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  Speaker 1: He was young, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But it was with wolves, assuming it's even accurate, this
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  Speaker 2: is with wolves, that's a completely different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm just saying he was hunched over, he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't walk properly, he didn't speak, and then there was
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  Speaker 1: a point of no return where he couldn't assimilate into right.
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  Speaker 2: That was his lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: That was his lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: He ate raw meat and couldn't original free.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just never he could never recover and
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  Speaker 1: become like a normal.
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  Speaker 2: He probably looked at civilization He's like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to live there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like the wolves are better.
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  Speaker 2: Come better off out here with my friend. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, my point was, are these children past the
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  Speaker 1: point of no return? If there is feral, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't.
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  Speaker 2: If they are, you don't just give up on them.
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  Speaker 2: You still try to provide them with all their resources.
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  Speaker 1: Right. We get to July first, at twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio Attorney General Andy Wilson says that investigators had
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  Speaker 1: no idea that sixteen children were living at the property
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  Speaker 1: before they entered the home. Officials state that the children
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  Speaker 1: were never enrolled in school and appear to have been
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  Speaker 1: intentionally hidden from public view. Investigators believe the family moved
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  Speaker 1: around southern Ohio over the previous two decades while avoiding
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  Speaker 1: medical and government records that might have revealed the children.
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  Speaker 2: How do they survive financially?
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  Speaker 1: You know, that was my question too, because even when
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  Speaker 1: I saw someone, you know, the guy that worked at
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  Speaker 1: Dollar General giving an interview about Elizabeth and Gary Siders
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  Speaker 1: coming in, I thought, well, where they get the Where where.
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  Speaker 2: Do they get the dollars? Where do they get the dollars?
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  Speaker 2: They're probably going to use a lot of resources, you know,
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  Speaker 2: government handouts or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're living offside.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Then they're not getting welfare and public services, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. And if you look at the photos of
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  Speaker 1: like the grandmother and grandfather, I mean these are hard looking, old, withered,
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  Speaker 1: ill looking people. So it's not that it doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: like they have jobs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're like people that look like that can't
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  Speaker 2: have jobs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they can't have jobs. No, you know, no.
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  Speaker 1: I saw photos of the car. I mean yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: saw photos of the inside of the house, and I
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  Speaker 1: saw photos of their car, and it's just everything is
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  Speaker 1: just trashed and disgusting. Neighbor Joseph Stewart says he never
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  Speaker 1: saw children at the property despite living nearby for years,
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  Speaker 1: and investigators begin reviewing whether children's services agencies ever received
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  Speaker 1: prior reports involving the family. The children's parents, who are
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  Speaker 1: allegedly Gary Siders Junior and Elizabeth Siders, along with the
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  Speaker 1: grandparents Gary Sider's Senior and Christina Siders, are charged with
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  Speaker 1: felony child endangerment involving serious physical harm. All four adults
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  Speaker 1: appeared in court, where not guilty please were entered on
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  Speaker 1: their behalf and each received a three hundred thousand dollars bond.
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  Speaker 1: They waived their right to a preliminary hearing and special
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors have been appointed to the case. After a medical episode,
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  Speaker 1: a judge varied Gary Senior's conditions, and Vinton County Prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: William Archer told CBS Ohio affiliate that the county had
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  Speaker 1: been facing extensive medical expenses due to Gary Senior's condition
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  Speaker 1: that could potentially bankrupt the county. It was agreed that
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  Speaker 1: Gary Senior would be released on his own recognissance, meaning
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  Speaker 1: he did not have to post a bail bond to
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  Speaker 1: receive medical treatment. If he were to be released from
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  Speaker 1: the hospital, he would be required to win a GPS monitor.
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  Speaker 1: So I believe that he's currently being given medical attention.
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  Speaker 1: In early July of twenty twenty six, officials say the
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  Speaker 1: children appeared almost feral because of the extreme neglect and
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  Speaker 1: isolation they allegedly endured. Investigators confirmed the only local school
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  Speaker 1: district has no record of any of the children ever
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  Speaker 1: attending school. Authorities continue investigating how the family allegedly avoided
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  Speaker 1: creating a medical or educational paper trail for so many years.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy to have that many kids and be able
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  Speaker 1: to transport them because they've moved multiple times. So they're
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  Speaker 1: moving these children from place.
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  Speaker 2: To think they have a Spriner rand to house. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: in a moving process.
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  Speaker 1: So how are they moving the sixteen kids from the
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  Speaker 1: house they used to live into the house there and
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  Speaker 1: now and no one knows that there's sixteen kids in
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  Speaker 1: this house. I mean, obviously they're renting.
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  Speaker 2: I relieve they never get out. No one's going to
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  Speaker 2: know those kids.
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  Speaker 1: I would assume they're rent this home.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you don't think they have a mortgage.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think they have a mortgage. I think
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  Speaker 1: they're renting this home. But I mean, is the homeowner
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  Speaker 1: does he? Does he not know what's going on? See
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Sider's attorney. I've seen him speak a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: So Elizabeth Siders allegedly is a mother of all sixteen
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  Speaker 1: of these kids, and she had multiple sets of twins,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe the first time she had a child
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  Speaker 1: was like at age fifteen or something. So a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are contemplating whether she's a victim in this
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  Speaker 1: or whether she's right, you know, a criminal because she
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  Speaker 1: was so young when she married Gary Siders. Was she
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  Speaker 1: a victim or I mean, was she being detained? Was
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  Speaker 1: she there willingly? Was she coerced? Does she?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know? But fast forward, they're mistreating all these kids.
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Sider's attorney says that she was married at age fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: her parents consented to this marriage, and that she left
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  Speaker 1: school after the eleventh grade and spent her her adult
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  Speaker 1: life raising the children. Well, she hasn't done a very
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  Speaker 1: good job of raising the children. If by raising the children,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that means she hasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Even done a good job. She hasn't even done the job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she spent her adult life raising the children.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? She spent her at all life
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  Speaker 1: the children? The fine sixteen of them. She was like,
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  Speaker 1: go put them in the room. Yeah, put close, close
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  Speaker 1: the door and put them in the room. The sixteen
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  Speaker 1: children that were found or not the only children Elizabeth
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  Speaker 1: had given birth to over the years. Hospital records showed
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  Speaker 1: that Elizabeth had eighteen births in under seventeen years. An
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  Speaker 1: investigation by WSYX found that Elizabeth Siders gave birth nearly
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  Speaker 1: every year beginning in two thousand and eight. Records also
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  Speaker 1: show that Elizabeth Siders gave birth to conjoin twins in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and the twins were described as extremely
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  Speaker 1: premature and died after an hour due to respiratory failure.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if those twins lived? She gave birth
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  Speaker 1: to conjoined twins.
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  Speaker 2: She definitely wouldn't have cared for them.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if they lived and she took them
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  Speaker 1: home with her. Now you've got conjoined twins added to
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  Speaker 1: the mess that's already there, and.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be two more mouths defeat.
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  Speaker 1: Doctors at Ohio Health oh Bless oh Blenness Hospital, Ohio
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  Speaker 1: Health O Blennis Hospital delivered another set of twins in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and then another set of twins. This
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  Speaker 1: is her fourth set in twenty twenty five. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows that these kids are being born because they're
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  Speaker 1: born in a hospital. And I do believe that she
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  Speaker 1: had a midwife, and I think the same midwife helped
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  Speaker 1: with these births. So there are people that are aware
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  Speaker 1: that these children exist. The problem is is once they leave,
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  Speaker 1: there's no type of follow up, you know. And I
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  Speaker 1: even thought that when Annabel was born, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: Annabel was born via surrogate, so my sister had Annabel.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that strangest feeling when I was in the
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  Speaker 1: hospital and then it was time to take her home
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  Speaker 1: and they handed me Annabelle, and I remember being like,
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  Speaker 1: that's it, Like, you just hand me a baby and
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  Speaker 1: I just walk out.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to check my idea is a baby.
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  Speaker 1: I just like, I just take this baby home, and
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  Speaker 1: no one They're just like, yeah, good luck with the baby,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember such an odd feeling of carrying her
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  Speaker 1: to the car and that weight of the responsibility of like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: now I'm just completely responsible for this child forever. So
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that it's like, people know that these children
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: are being born, and how are they paying the hospital bills?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Well, who said they're paying the hospital bills?
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess they're not paying the housital e.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: According to her attorney, Elizabeth's first concern after her arrest
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: was asking whether her children were safe and when she
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: could see them again. Her attorney argues the case may
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: involve extreme isolation rather than in intentional cruelty, and urges
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the public and not to rush to judgment before all
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: of the evidence is presented. You know, that's the question.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Is Elizabeth a victim in this? Or is Elizabeth part
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of the problem in this?
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, But like I said, at the
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: end of the day, now look where we're at. I mean,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: she ended up having kids, more kid and more kid,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: more kids, and then neglecting them. I mean she's not
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: even giving them basic care. How can she be at
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the victim. Let's say she was the victim at age fifteen,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: she was overpowered, right, emotionally or whatever. But then how
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: old does she know?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Well, she's thirty three now, right.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, either way, they're not entitled to have those
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: kids because they can't care for them properly.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So this investigative team, this is WSYX investigative team asked
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Ohio Health if it's healthcare professionals contacted child Services in
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: any of these deliveries. Ohio Health representatives responded by email.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Because of federal privacy laws, we aren't legally allowed to
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: share private health information on any patient without their consent.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Athens County Children's Services also cited confidentiality when asked whether
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it acted on any tips. That's great. You can always
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: hide behind HIPPA. You don't have to give any you
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: don't have to answer to anyone. Attorneys representing other family
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: members also ask the public to allow the legal process
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to unfold before drawing conclusions. You know, I saw this
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: online when I was researching this case, and I was
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: just reading more about it. There is a big difference,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and there is a distinction between being poor and being neglectful,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: because obviously this is a very poor family. They live
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: in a rural area, of Ohio. I don't know if
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: any of them work. I don't know where they get
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the little bit of money they do to be able
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: just to survive or pay rent or have a car
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: or buy groceries, or how they've been able to survive
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: as long as they have. That's a question that I have.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that live like that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: but still take care of their.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. There's three now. At some point
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: she had to just give provide basic care for.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: These kids, right, So there is a distinction between being
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: poor and being dirty, or having a dirty house, or
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: not having the best of everything, but still being able
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to take care of your children. You can be poor
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and still take care of your kids. It's not mutually exclusive.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I guess you don't need fin China to serve them dinner, right,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: paper plates will do all right.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So let's just think, here's some things to consider. Could
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Siders be a victim in this case, considering the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: sheer amount of children she birth over the years and
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: how young she was when she married Gary Siders? Where
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: did healthcare professionals go wrong? Do they hold any type
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: of responsibility here? Or was it out of their hands,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Like I said before, you know, when Annibal was born,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: they hand me the baby and I just walk out
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the door. It's not like anyone followed up later. It's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: not like I got like a visit that said, how's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: that child. It's not like I got a phone call
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: or I got a.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Restaurant when they came buying. I still enjoying your dinner.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anything satisfactory. Even when I take the dogs to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the vet, they give you a call, they follow up.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: But the next day and they're like, how's Togo doing?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: How did he do?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: All these people? Like a week later, they're gonna be like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I can't sleep, They're crying all night, like it doesn't work.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: We don't want to do follow up calls.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I guess, and I understand, and that makes sense. But also,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: were there not red flags when this family came in?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: When this girl is giving birth over and over? And
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: is there no red flags that someone thinks?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I imagine we'll have a nice update at some point
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: later on right.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Child welfare officials begin determining long term placements for the children,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and experts say the siblings may require years of medical care, therapy,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: educational support, and specialized treatment. Because of the alleged abuse, neglect,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and prolonged isolation. Officials note that Ohio's foster care system
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: is already under significant strain with shortages of foster families
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and treatment resources for children with complex needs, and Ohio's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Controlling Board is expected to consider a request to approve
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a million dollars in emergency funding to help care for
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: these children. Some of the children may ultimately require placement
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: in residential treatment or psychiatric care facilities before they can
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: transition into traditional foster homes. I mean, think about how
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: much money the state's going to have to spend in
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: order to try to rehabilitate these children, to place them places.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: It's going to be for the for lives almost.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: You know what, do you remember this case, This case
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in Ohio, this deplorable condition sixteen children reminded me of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the case in Riverside, maybe like five or six years ago.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Do you remember those children? I think it was thirteen
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: children in Riverside County in California. It was called the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Turpin family, and it was a mother and a father.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I think it was thirteen children. They had like a
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: residential home and a residential suburban area. But they were
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: keeping the kids chained to beds, and they were starving them,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and they weren't allowed to leave the house. And one
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of the children, I don't remember, I think it was
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a daughter, I believe her name was Jordan, somehow got
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night and jumped out
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: of a window and ran down the street. And for
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: somehow she had access to like a cell phone or
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: something like an old one, like a flip phone maybe,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and she called nine to one one. And then the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: police came and removed all these children and they ended
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: up getting they got a significant sentence. The mother and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the father they're in prison.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Now hopefully changed their bed.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: The foster care system completely failed these children because they
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: removed them from this mother and father that tortured them
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and abused them, kept them chained to their bed, barely
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: fed them. They were all malndursed, they were all unhealthy,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: and then put them into the foster care system. And
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I believe a foster care home that was run by
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: this couple was taking care. I don't think all the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: children they abused them. These kids left an abusive environment
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and then went right into a different abuse different abusive
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: environments like you.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Know, why were those those adults even on the list
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of eligibility.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But the kids were starved, they were malnourished,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: they were they were I believe they were abused physically, emotionally,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: all these things.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Some people do the foster thing because then they get paid, right.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Well, this was so that family. I don't remember the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: name of them, but it was a couple. I believe them.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: The husband got a lot of time. I think he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: got like twenty five years or something, and then it
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: was the wife and then a daughter, and I believe
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: they're on probation. I don't think they got actual jail time.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: But then those children, the Turpin children that went through
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that ended up suing I'm sure attorneys were all over that, right,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: They ended up suing the foster care system, and I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: think they won, like some judgment millions.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's but that has to be used wisely. Yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: they need someone because do you think they have a
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: concept of a dollar?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Probably not this children in Ohio. We'll definitely keep following
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the story because again I have so many questions.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole lot left.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, this is just the tip of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the iceberg. There's obviously going to be more information that
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: comes out on I would say the neglect and also
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the injuries and the abuse and Gary Siders. And I
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're DNA testing all these children, because
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I would want to know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: If she's one of the because they could be kidnapped
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: kids too.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And also my question is is there some weird incest
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: thing like are all of these children Gary Sider's children
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: or is the grandfather a child? Is he a father
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: of some of these children? I don't know. It just
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: seems like there's a lot of crime, crime, a lot
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of crime going on in that house, and so we
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: will continue.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I watched a bodycam footage of these cops that went
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: to a house. This is like a common theme now.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: They go to their house because the daycare like board
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: or entity, you know, government entity that you know for
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: in home daycare facilities, they got a report that of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: some concern for children in that house, something really general.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: So these two ladies come to the house to check
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: on the daycare facility and the children, and they're knocking
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: on the door and no one's answering, So then they
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: called the police. And that's where it starts with the
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: police arriving, and fast forward. It took a long time
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to finally get someone to answer the door, and of
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: course she's like, oh, I didn't hear you, and they're like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: we were banging on your door non stop. And then
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: they found someone like walking in the backyard and she's like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just I was very suspicious. I'm just a friend,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: very suspicious. And they're like, are there kids inside, and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: she's like, nope, nope, no, like kind of like I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: have no idea what you're talking about. And they're like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: we got report that there are kids inside. This is
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: a daycare center where the children and she kept saying no,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: no kids, like kind of like I have no idea
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you're talking abo. And so then they were like, we
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: don't care about the conditions, like we don't care if
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you have more kids than your license to. We just
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: need to see that the kids are safe. She wouldn't,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: she wouldn't, she wouldn't, and she was doing everything she
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: could to avoid search. Anyway, fast forward again, so they
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: finally do a search because now they kind of have
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: some probable cause because they start to hear music coming
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: from the vents in the floor, so they're like where's
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the basement, And she's like, there's no basement. They find
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: a secret door behind a plant and they go in
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the basement. There's twenty six kids.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Twenty six kids.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Twenty six kids.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Where is this?
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I think it was New Mexico. Twenty six kids in
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the basement because she was running a day care facility
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: for twenty six kids and collecting off of twenty six kids.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And they said it when they walked in because his
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: body camp footge was foul because you know, it's closed,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: it was dark, and she just grew her daycare business
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to have so many kids, more than she was allowed to,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and she she's just stuffing them in the basement.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Well, who was dropping their kids off there?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: They didn't know. They drop them off at the front door.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: She was pleasant, she did have her home looking like
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a daycare center. It seemed like she was legitimate, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: then just kind of deviated.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: So you're saying the parents just showed up, dropped them
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: off with this nice lady at her front door, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: thought maybe there were just like five or six other
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: kids there, and then there were really twenty six and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: she was just shoving them down in the basement and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: keeping them in the basement all day.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: That was the daycare.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they started calling the parents parents come
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: pick up their kids, and the parents later then reported
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: that it explained because a lot of the children couldn't
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: have their rooms dark at night and they were scared
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: because it's like traumatic conditions. Yeah, so it happens a lot.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I saw another body cam footage where there was three
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: kids in the basement, teens. This guy grabbed him and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: nabbed them and threw them in the basement and locked
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the basement, the cross space basement, and the cops were
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: looking and they because the phone was pinging, and they
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: found them and the rest this guy. It's weird. It
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: happens more than we think.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: It's like no one really believed all the action movies
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: until nine to eleven happened, and it's like, oh, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: myself and include and it's like, oh man, this stuff
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: really can happen. And same with these kids. I'm like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it happens all the time. Kids are
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: nabbed all the time.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yes they are.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's why I don't like leaving my
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: kids alone.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That's that's why we never target That's why we never
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: go anywhere, the.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Kids anywhere because we're going to chain him to the bed.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: We just never leave, all right. Thanks guys for listening
• 29:37
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• 29:39
  Speaker 1: your friends and family, and as always, if you have
• 29:41
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• 29:43
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• 29:46
  Speaker 1: so much for listening.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you,