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Seahawks Camp Check-In: Byron Murphy, Depth Chart Battles, and a Real Concern · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

• 0:09
  Adam: Welcome to the Sea Hawkers Podcast.
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  I'm Adam Emmert.
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  I'm joined by my good buddy Clinton Bonner.
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  And Clinton, you'd gotten with me here maybe, like, Friday or so and
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  said, "Hey, this weekend let's, let's talk a little training camp."
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  And you had some ideas of things to go through here.
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  We're gonna talk a little bit about, wide receivers having big camps
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  and, what that looks like.
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  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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  A little Byron Murphy, a little bit of An- Anthony Bradford, and we'll do it
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  without, disparaging him for a change.
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  Yes.
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  Clinton: I think
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  Adam: so.
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  also too with the wide receivers having big camps, should we be
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  concerned about any of the DB play?
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  We're gonna talk a little bit about Jalen Milroe and some of
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  the reports we've heard about him.
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  And not that we have anything new on the Robbie Oots front, but it's
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  not something I've talked about.
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  So those are all topics we're gonna get into.
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  Clinton, you did an awesome job curating all this.
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  Man, lots of news, lots of action happening in training camp.
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  Clinton: Tons of action.
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  We got action early here as we got Dogzilla Monster saying, "The
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  biggest storyline so far, D-Hall's big truck," and of course the
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  short shorts, which we all love.
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  What's up, Dogzilla?
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  Good seeing you there.
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  But yes, it says four biggest camp stories.
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  We talked about it.
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  Scratch that.
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  We're gonna go…
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  What is that?
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  I'm not sure what the percentages are.
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  Five, six,
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  Adam: seven.
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  I don't know.
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  Four, yeah.
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  Till we're done talking about big stories.
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  Clinton: Yeah.
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  It'll be more.
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  Big, big stories, big humans, big movements, and we had a lot happening.
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  Plus we had the, the scrimmage, the, the Fan Fest, and that just added
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  some, some ideas to the fire as well.
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  But you ran that down then perfectly.
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  Adam, I really wanna always remind people, of course, first and foremost,
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  if you're out there, like and subscribe.
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  That's great.
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  We love you.
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  Please do the thing.
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  But Adam, this entire off-season, I'm pretty sure the Ram…
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  Did the Rams win a Super Bowl?
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  because the entire off-season I thought it was the Rams
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  that maybe won the Super Bowl, 'cause it's just so Ram-centric.
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  Am I wrong?
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  Is that not what happened?
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  Adam: Oh, hadn't you heard?
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  They, they bought a Super Bowl already.
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  It's done.
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  Like, they won.
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  Oh, oh, it's done.
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  It's over.
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  I don't even know why we're doing training camp at this point.
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  Oh.
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  Clinton: Oh, okay.
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  Adam: Like, we should just forfeit the rest of the games going
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  forward- Oh … is what I heard, even though that, we're world champs.
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  Clinton: Yeah, okay.
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  So- We're, we're the
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  Adam: champions.
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  Clinton: Right.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Thank you for reminding me, 'cause I, I've- Yeah … I saw this image back on,
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  you know, Twitter and then the, the, the internet interwebs of the s- the
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  ring we have that says we won the Super Bowl last, this- Right … last year, and
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  we're the current Super Bowl champions.
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  So just wanna remind folks that we are, of course, the champions, not the stupid
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  Rams, and I just don't care what they do.
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  We don't play them till Christmas.
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  I care what they do, but we're gonna beat them anyway, and we'll
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  get into some of those reasons, I think even why in this episode.
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  We do have some news and notes to get through that will not be the
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  six topics you teased at the top, so hang around for all six of those.
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  But a couple things that I thought were at least interesting going from
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  left to right on screen, Adam, first thing is Greg Bell's reporting that
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  Nick Emmanwori is still about four weeks out.
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  And if I'm doing some fast math, that really puts week one, week two kinda
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  in jeopardy if he's four weeks out.
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  How you feeling about the newest news there?
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  Adam: just be here week eight Like, that's all I care.
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  Like, just be here by week eight and we're good to go.
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  - Week
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  Clinton: eight?
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  Look, we- That's, that's pretty far, no.
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  Adam: I know it's pretty far.
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  Yeah.
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  That's how loaded this team is.
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  That's how many games they can win going into week eight.
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  We want him for the back half at the very least and rolling into the playoffs.
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  Now, could he be here much sooner?
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  Absolutely.
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  Would that be perfect?
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  Yes.
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  Let's do that, please.
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  But there is zero concern on my part.
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  They will get Nick Emmanwori back when it's time for him to be back,
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  when he's healthy, and he will be a demon on the field once again, so.
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  Clinton: great.
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  Okay.
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  Adam: yeah.
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  I- It's one of those things where, look, there's other players that they
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  can use in that kind of nickel, do everything position, whether that's Spoon
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  or we're talking a lot of De'Anthony Bell being used in that role here in camp.
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  there's options for Mike McDonald, and since he's a, a bonafide genius,
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  I'm pretty sure that we'll be fine.
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  Clinton: All right.
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  We'll talk more about that when we do talk about the DB room and
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  the corners, et cetera, et cetera.
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  And look, I want, I want Spoon back way…
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  well, not Spoon.
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  I want even Emmanwori back way, way sooner.
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  Not saying you don't, I know you do, but I'm not willing
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  to wait, wait till week eight.
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  I'm just not gonna do it.
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  On the right-hand side we got J- some Jadarian Dave, Jadarian Price updates.
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  Basically, no, seems like no big deal.
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  Some soreness.
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  You know, Mike Mac actually kinda like laughed it off a bit.
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  He kinda made a li- light joke about it in the presser after the, the
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  fanfare day there, and I don't think it's something you'd be joking about,
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  Adam, if it were any more serious.
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  But from Mike's lips, he's basically saying this is a couple of day
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  thing, nothing more than that.
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  Little bit of relief from, from my standpoint.
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  How about you?
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  Adam: Oh, for sure.
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  E- 'cause we're all looking at the running back position, and we're
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  relying on Price with the loss of Kenneth Walker, no doubt about it.
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  And look, when I heard the first, part of this, you know, leg soreness-
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  Yeah … it was like, okay, they're not talking about, like, an injury.
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  We're talking about a rookie who's ramping up his usage throughout his
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  first NFL training camp, while he was the backup back in college and didn't
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  even get the full starter reps back then.
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  yeah, probably he's gonna get a little sore at some
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  point, maybe need a day or two.
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  it- that's part of the rookie adjustment to the NFL, and it really
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  does kinda hit all the guys, and you just manage it smartly, and it sounds
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  like that's exactly what they're doing.
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  Mike not worried, me not worried.
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  Clinton: Me not worried either.
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  I like that.
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  And we got Rubbles coming in saying, "Bro, I'm telling you, the Rams are overrated.
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  They're gonna disappoint.
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  Much hype," and all those things.
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  Look, I, I hope so.
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  I hope so.
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  Mm.
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  I think, I don't know that they're overrated.
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  I don't…
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  You know, they were, they were a good team.
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  I'm not sure they are over or underrated, but I can tell you the hype is all about
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  them, and I'm, at this point I'm- I'm rolling over to the it's beyond fine.
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  I'm actually, I think the Seahawks team, and we'll talk about Byron Murphy
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  a- a little bit later, I think he is one of those emblematic players that's
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  probably embracing the fact that even after a Super Bowl, there's, you know,
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  we as a franchise still not getting the limelight and a player like Murphy,
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  still not getting the kudos that he deserves while, you know, people
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  put, put some love onto Jalen Carter.
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  And frankly, from my point of view, he's a better player than
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  Carter, but we'll get to that.
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  And we got Shane also, Shane Turner Acoustic coming in, he said, with a 2.99
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  Australian super chat saying, "Any word on who would be outside,
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  with, if Spoon is playing nickel?"
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  They got a couple different options, you know, there.
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  It, it could be Nehemiah Pritchett.
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  you know, there's- there's a few younger players there as well.
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  I- I'm going to butcher the name until I get it right, Adam, the- the DB
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  with the hard to pronounce last name.
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  It's- it's still not crisp in my brain, so-
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  Adam: Nope
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  … Clinton: yeah, him.
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  I think we all know who that is.
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  I- Oga-
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  Adam: Oganaga-bee?
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  Clinton: Yeah
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  Adam: Or, yeah.
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  Thank you, Chris.
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  We'll- we'll get it, man.
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  We'll put some respect- Yeah … on that man's name
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  Clinton: at some point here.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  Exactly, yeah.
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  We're- we're not trying to be like that, it's just, it's just I- I haven't
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  worked it into my brain just yet.
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  But I think those are the two options, Shane.
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  maybe there's some others there.
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  We did see a report just before we got on that, that Terion Arnold,
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  the, the kind of the Detroit high round pick, is coming in for a visit.
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  He really washed out with the Lions really rather quickly.
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  He's coming to camp and, I don't know about you, Adam, but a Mike
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  McDonald maybe rehab on a high, high talented DB that kinda just flamed
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  out maybe in the wrong situation.
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  I, at- at least I'm intrigued.
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  Color me intrigued on something like that.
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  Adam: Well, he ought to be because of the history that the Seahawks
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  have shown under John Schneider's leadership and when Pete was here,
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  and now with Mike McDonald here.
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  They've gotten a lot out of corners.
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  I mean, Josh Jobe, we're not talking about Josh Jobe, right?
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  We're like, "Oh, we got one of the spots locked down."
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  Clinton: Correct.
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  Adam: Yeah.
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  Josh Jobe was a dude that the Eagles let go.
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  He was at the bottom of their depth chart, and now he is a full-time starter
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  for the Seahawks and a damn good player.
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  You, you think about Kendricks last year and what they did with him.
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  They…
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  Mike McDonald is able to develop these guys and put
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  them in position to look good.
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  Not to mention, how do you make a back end of a defense look better
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  just almost instantaneously, Clinton?
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  Clinton: well, you put pressure on the quarterback-
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  Yeah … and you stop the run.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  Adam: Yeah, you have badasses up front on the D-line that- Yep …
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  give, generate a lot of pressure and make things really difficult.
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  And then if you have somebody who's a legitimate top one schemer in this league
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  when it comes to defense, putting all those guys in the right position, it sure
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  does allow you to get the most out of guys that maybe struggled at some other point.
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  And you're talking about Terryán Arnold a little bit.
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  Yeah.
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  And look, one of the things Mike's super famous for is his ability to take
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  something super complicated, distill it down into something that players
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  are able to understand, and I heard DeMarcus Lawrence talking about how
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  there's basically, for one play call, 10 plays could be run out of that, right?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But yet it's clear, it's simple, it's something they can do.
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  And that's what makes these guys look like they have 12 dudes on the field.
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  Look, you bring in somebody like Terry Ara- Arnold, maybe the,…
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  Let's see, who would it have been?
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  It would've been, not Terry Glenn.
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  It was the, the c- current coach of the Jets, the former, cornerback,-
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  Clinton: Aaron Glenn?
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  Adam: Aaron Glenn, not Terry Glenn.
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  Yeah.
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  Aaron Glenn.
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  maybe his defense wasn't explained well.
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  Maybe it was too complicated for Terryán Arnold.
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  This could be a spot where he comes in and we get the best
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  version of him, whatever that is.
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  Maybe that's backup level, maybe that's starter level.
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  Maybe that's not even on the 53, maybe that's part of the ready squad.
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  Hard telling, not knowing at this point, but- Worth a flyer.
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  Clinton: Yeah, I think so too.
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  We'll s- we'll see.
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  You know, it, there's a little bit of character concerns,
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  and that's why he's available.
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  Beyond also some, the play wasn't…
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  Look, we all know in the NFL, like, if there are, quote-unquote, "character
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  concerns," but you're amazing at your job, you don't lose your job in the NFL.
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  You might, you might, you know, have to go into, what's that thing they made
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  Puka go do that's not actually rehab?
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  What's that, whatever they call that thing, right?
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  So that thing
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  Adam: people- fake rehab.
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  Clinton: Yeah, fake rehab.
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  There you go.
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  Yeah.
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  So they throw you into fake rehab nowadays and say, "Oh, yeah, he's,
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  he's, getting the help he needs."
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  if you're really great at football, you find your way on the field.
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  That's just the facts of life.
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  but maybe the reclamation project.
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  We'll see.
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  We probably spent two minutes too long on Terry and Arnold, seeing
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  as he's coming in for a visit.
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  We will keep you posted.
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  I did have this information too, because not only…
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  I, I'll gonna change the slide in a second for those on YouTube, and for those
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  listening on audio, we are gonna play a game this week versus the Dallas Cowboys.
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  It's pregame, you know, pregame, preseason Game 1.
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  But, but Adam, I start to look ahead, and I don't take joy in doing
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  this, but I- Hmm … but it's part of just kind of reporting what's
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  happening across different camps.
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  what's on screen here is a key player for week three, week six, and week eight.
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  It's kinda funny you flagged week eight for Nick Emmanwori 'cause we'll talk
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  about that guy on the right-hand side, you know, on this slide last.
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  But first and foremost, week three, Laremy Tunsil tore his triceps.
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  He's out for, you know- The year
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  maybe the whole year.
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  Yeah.
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  He's out for significant portions.
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  They have problems keeping Jayden Daniels upright to begin with.
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  They just lost their tackle they brought in.
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  Bad news bears for this Commanders team, and that's week three, very, very early.
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  Benefit for Seattle, and you feel for Tunsil and the Commanders fans.
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  Adam: Oh, for sure, and you hit it right on the head with the Commanders
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  having a hard time keeping Jayden Daniels from taking those big hits-
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  Clinton: Yeah
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  … Adam: and having those big injuries, and, you know, we saw the
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  Seahawks, injure him, the last time that we played, right?
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  With the- Mm-hmm … elbow, so-
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  Clinton: Yeah.
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  Adam: and I'm a big Jayden Daniels guy.
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  You should be.
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  I- he was my number one, quarterback in that draft class coming in.
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  love his game, love what he can do.
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  It'll probably help that they won't have, Kingsbury there and running
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  his rinky-dink Mickey Mouse,- … offense, that would get him killed.
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  But Tunsil's- Yeah … a huge loss, man, a huge loss.
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  And, get well to him- Yeah … no doubt about it, and we'll see what
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  happens for the poor Commanders there.
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  Clinton: Yeah, really good player.
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  He's b- been around a long time now, and, hope he heals as quick as he can.
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  Benefit for our Seahawks come week three, and then there's a couple just to look at.
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  Jalen Waddell is still limping.
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  He's, he's got an injury, and so they're saying it could be multiple week.
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  He might be back pretty darn soon, so I'm not gonna put too much emphasis on
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  this one right now, but Waddell was a big off-season get for the Broncos, who really
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  need a little bit more additional help.
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  I see you waving there.
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  the, the papers say, the Pravda says- Hmm
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  a big, a big off-season get.
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  But Waddell might be out.
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  I think even potentially more significant, maybe a better player,
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  Luther Burden of the Chicago Bears, he tweaks a groin just yesterday, and
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  he was having, from all reports, a sensational, camp, where it's like
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  this dude is, like on the cusp.
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  And I think he showed a lot last year.
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  Week eight's halfway through the year.
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  it's a groin.
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  They can be very, very tricky, but you got two weapons here that now we gotta keep
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  on the radar because they might not be…
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  Maybe they're in, but maybe not 100%, like, running the
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  way these guys intend to run.
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  Adam: Well, let's hope for Luther's sake the groin is
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  less tricky than more tricky.
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  that's for sure.
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  And as you put it, early returns for Luther Burden, they looked promising,
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  and so that is a blow for them.
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  look,- Jaylen Waddle a big addition for the Broncos.
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  I mean- They sure
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  Clinton: paid, they sure paid like it was.
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  They paid heavy for that.
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  Adam: Him and Tee Higgins can go to their own little island of the most-
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  overrated number twos in the entire freaking league.
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  Like, I, I just, wake me when you've done something that actually matters,
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  like for real, with Jaylen Waddle.
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  - Look, y- Yeah … once Tyreek Hill was toast down there in Miami,
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  what happened to that offense?
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  Clinton: Well, yeah, it, it went, the whole thing went sideways, so for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  So, yeah, and Weld- Waddell had some nice years with, with
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  Hill as a nice complementary too.
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  but I also thought the Broncos overpaid when they went and got
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  him this off season too, so I, I wasn't super high on that.
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  And his thing is speed and, you know, just getting open, kinda u- quickness
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  and, and some good amount of speed.
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  And, and if he's, if he's dinged, if he's not 100% operational, I'm not
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  sure he's, he's all that effective.
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  So again, something to watch with, with these upcoming opponents.
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  And also Broncos, one of the tougher opponents, and I think the Bears will be
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  one of the better teams we face this year as well, certainly an ascending team.
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  And of course you don't know how the season's gonna go, but
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  I think, Adam, that takes us…
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, one more reminder that we're- Okay … Super Bowl champions.
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  We're gonna take it back over here to the full screen.
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  So we got our, those are the news and notes.
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  We want you liking, we want you subscribing, all those things are
• 14:38
  to keep the comments pouring in.
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  We appreciate it.
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  But we teased six topics at the beginning.
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  Adam, where would you like to begin?
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  Adam: let's get through wide receivers first.
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  Clinton: Get through.
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  I, the, the language, please, Adam, the language.
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  Yeah.
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  Get through.
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  Yeah.
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  All right.
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  Adam: So- I chose the words on,- … very specifically.
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  I did.
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  Clinton: I know you do.
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  All right.
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  So-
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  Adam: Yeah
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  … Clinton: so the way I, I'll frame it real quick from my perspective.
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  Yeah.
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  My perspective was last year in, camp, you heard a lot of the
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  Seahawks are getting no separation.
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  We brought in Horton, he was just a, yeah, just a rookie fifth rounder, and the
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  Seahawks are having a hard time getting separation throughout camp last year.
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  Okay?
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  JSN then goes and wins Offensive Player of the Year.
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  He got some separation during the season.
• 15:24
  but this year it's almost like flip the script, where it's, there is a
• 15:28
  lot of open wide receivers and certain players that we'll talk about just,
• 15:34
  maybe having a really strong camp.
• 15:36
  So how are you feeling about this wide receiver room, and is the buzz
• 15:40
  worthy, I think is maybe the question.
• 15:43
  Adam: Wide receiver room is loaded, and it's funny because the
• 15:46
  buzz isn't around the guys that make this bonafide loaded, right?
• 15:51
  Like-
• 15:51
  Clinton: Yeah
• 15:52
  … Adam: the buzz isn't around JSN, who's- Right,
• 15:54
  Clinton: right
• 15:55
  … Adam: the best receiver in football and the reigning Offensive Player of the Year.
• 15:58
  The buzz isn't around Rasheed Shaheed who just got paid and was
• 16:02
  a big addition on special teams and had some moments offensively, and
• 16:06
  seems to be really clicking with Sam Darnold here through training camp.
• 16:09
  We're getting a little buzz on Shaheed, like, to be fair.
• 16:12
  Right?
• 16:12
  Little.
• 16:12
  Tory Horton- Yeah … coming in and doing some good stuff coming back
• 16:15
  from injury a- and looking good.
• 16:18
  And, you know, even Cooper Kupp having a nice training camp to this point.
• 16:23
  But the buzz, Clinton, is about some of the guys closer to the
• 16:27
  back end of the roster- Mm-hmm
• 16:28
  or potentially towards the back end of the roster.
• 16:31
  And that's interesting because look, this isn't an easy defense to go up against,
• 16:37
  but you've got a damn good quarterback who is comfortable in a system with
• 16:42
  guys that he feels comfortable throwing to, and so you're gonna get a lot of
• 16:46
  completions and that sort of thing.
• 16:48
  Also too, just remember these guys towards the back of the roster that we're gonna
• 16:52
  talk about here, whether that's Foster or Henderson- Yeah … those would
• 16:55
  be the two that come to mind, they're going up against mainly the threes
• 16:59
  and the fours and maybe even guys that aren't gonna be with this team when
• 17:02
  training camp is all said and done.
• 17:04
  So is it a positive thing that you're hearing good things about these players?
• 17:07
  Yes.
• 17:09
  Do I believe it until I see him at least suited up in preseason?
• 17:13
  No.
• 17:14
  A- and that's- … kinda like with anything that comes out of training camp.
• 17:17
  We- I've been doing this for 13 years now, Clinton, and there's years I've been
• 17:22
  just bamboozled by the, you know, hype during the off-season and training camp.
• 17:27
  And, you know, I know enough these days to be like, "Cool news.
• 17:31
  We'll see."
• 17:32
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 17:33
  I think the, it's e- it's very easy to get excited, especially in
• 17:36
  training camp, about wide receivers.
• 17:38
  And I guess the, the juxtaposition of last year where it's like we can't
• 17:41
  get separation, to like, oh, this looks a l- heck of a lot smoother.
• 17:46
  bar, kinda sans the actual scrimmage from yesterday, which was more of
• 17:49
  a, a defensive day it sounded like, versus the offense really humming.
• 17:53
  But you ment- you mentioned Foster, you mentioned Henderson.
• 17:56
  Cody White still, still doing, still doing really well out there.
• 18:00
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:00
  these are dudes, like with Foster, I, I think he's name, I
• 18:02
  think you pronounce his name Mon- Montaria, Montar- Mon- Montario?
• 18:05
  That
• 18:05
  Adam: feels right.
• 18:06
  Clinton: Yeah, I think it's Montario, I believe, right?
• 18:08
  Foster Jr.
• 18:08
  and if I have that wrong, please correct.
• 18:11
  And every time you turn on Twitter or something, even, even, you
• 18:15
  know, they're not talking about him too, too much, publicly, but
• 18:18
  everybody else who's watching it's gonna be like, "This guy's, this
• 18:20
  guy's every day making huge plays."
• 18:24
  It is a little excite- e- e- easy to get excited about wide receivers
• 18:28
  when it's not full go, you know?
• 18:30
  Yeah.
• 18:30
  And the defen- the DBs can't do everything that they're actually gonna do out there.
• 18:35
  And if a quarterback lays out a hospital ball and a guy plucks it
• 18:39
  out of the air, but it's like, you know, in the game, a safety's gonna
• 18:42
  take that guy's head off, right?
• 18:44
  And it's actually not a ball that you, you wanna throw.
• 18:46
  Not saying that's what's happening, but that's the kinda stuff you get in training
• 18:50
  camp, just because you're not, you know, taking dudes' heads off at that point.
• 18:54
  it is exciting.
• 18:55
  It is, it's easy to get excited about that crew.
• 18:58
  I do wanna pivot back to the buzz, and you know I'm gonna
• 19:01
  go back there for Cooper Kupp.
• 19:02
  Mm.
• 19:03
  'Cause it's a little bit about, hey, he really looks youthful this y- Okay
• 19:07
  … more youthful this year than last year.
• 19:09
  Sure.
• 19:09
  Like, quicker.
• 19:11
  Like, things of…
• 19:12
  So, all the things we love about the Coach Kupp and all that jazz, cool, cool, cool.
• 19:16
  But I'm kind of excited to hear, hey, he just looks like he, he
• 19:20
  regained a year or two in terms of his quickness, which is part of- Mm
• 19:25
  his game.
• 19:25
  I know you're the biggest Cooper Kupp fan, but how's that news
• 19:28
  hit you compared to last year?
• 19:31
  Adam: Five pounds heavier, faster than ever, blah, blah, blah.
• 19:35
  That's how that news hits me.
• 19:37
  Is Cooper Kupp young or old?
• 19:39
  Clinton: well relatively- For football … he's older,
• 19:43
  but he's in great shape Okay.
• 19:44
  These dude, these dudes stay in remarkable
• 19:45
  Adam: shape nowadays Yeah, it doesn't come back, Clinton.
• 19:47
  It doesn't come back.
• 19:48
  The quick ti- twitch stuff does not come back.
• 19:50
  So really what the explanation is, is this, because Kupp's biggest asset by far,
• 19:56
  and it was on full display in Hard Knocks, and it was on full display last year with
• 20:00
  the way that he unlocked JSN and helped Tory Horton develop and how he's worked
• 20:04
  with Shaheed over the off season here.
• 20:07
  It's his brain.
• 20:09
  That is the number one thing that really sets him apart from almost anybody else
• 20:14
  who's playing the position these days.
• 20:16
  So one more year in this system, in that sort of famil- familiarity, he's gonna
• 20:22
  look faster because he processes that much more quickly and is able to get his body
• 20:30
  moving that direction a little faster.
• 20:32
  Is he faster?
• 20:33
  There's a 0% chance he's faster this year.
• 20:35
  Clinton: Okay.
• 20:35
  All right.
• 20:36
  Well,
• 20:36
  Adam: we're gonna- Like, you don't get older and get faster.
• 20:38
  Clinton: Well, A- You don't … Amy was there You don't.
• 20:40
  It's not- A- Amy's on screen.
• 20:41
  She was there.
• 20:42
  Sure.
• 20:42
  We, we love Amy.
• 20:43
  She says, "Ku- Kupp's"- I love Amy Kean … serious- I know you do.
• 20:45
  Kupp seriously looks way faster than last year.
• 20:48
  Now- Do not believe this … is it pos- is it possible that, yes, he
• 20:51
  was healthy last year, but maybe he wasn't 100% up to his health standards
• 20:57
  and we just didn't know about it?
• 20:59
  That's a possibility.
• 21:00
  Yeah.
• 21:00
  Right?
• 21:00
  I mean-
• 21:02
  Adam: Y- yeah, sure.
• 21:03
  A- again, I just, when you have receivers that, we can all agree that
• 21:08
  Kupp isn't Triple Crown Kupp, right?
• 21:11
  Like where,
• 21:12
  Clinton: where
• 21:12
  Adam: he was-
• 21:12
  Clinton: Right.
• 21:12
  Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
• 21:13
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  We can't- I don't wanna be hyperbolic about it.
• 21:15
  I- Yeah,
• 21:15
  Adam: exactly
• 21:15
  … Clinton: I'm licking on the edges, looking around the edges a bit, and
• 21:18
  really for me, the question and debate is where do all these footballs go?
• 21:23
  Like that, that's- Mm-hmm … whether Kupp is a smidgen faster or not,
• 21:26
  he's just, he's more successful in an offense with year two.
• 21:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 21:29
  You know, if we're playing the more likely game, maybe that's more-
• 21:32
  Yeah … likely and totally cool.
• 21:33
  But where are these footballs going with Horton doing what he's doing, with, with
• 21:38
  the, the bench we have- Yeah … with Arroyo having a very nice camp, A.J.
• 21:42
  Barnes- Yeah … not, not even sniffing the field just yet, but we know he's,
• 21:45
  he's due back, and he'll be on time.
• 21:47
  And we have a, a, a, a, a, a head, not, not head coach, offense OC that
• 21:53
  likes to get the ball in the hands of, of running backs, clearly, right?
• 21:58
  So- Yeah … or le- at least coming from a system that did a lot of that.
• 22:02
  I'm just like, "Where, where are all these footballs gonna go?"
• 22:05
  Because I don't think there's enough to go around with the depth we have.
• 22:09
  So that's really- Yeah … where for me that I think is more interesting than
• 22:13
  the grading of Kupp's, y- m- maybe getting a little better on the edges.
• 22:18
  Adam: Yeah.
• 22:18
  Look, that's kind of why I'm, not losing my mind about, you know, Foster
• 22:23
  and Henderson and the cool stuff that they've been doing through training camp
• 22:27
  because whose minutes are they taking?
• 22:29
  Like I- it's hard to find them, hard to find those snaps that they would take and
• 22:34
  those balls that they would catch outside of, you know, your top three or four guys.
• 22:38
  I did wanna pull up here a, a comment from our good buddy Michael Knight.
• 22:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:43
  "Adam, it's ridiculous to say you don't get faster, man.
• 22:47
  If you had nagging injuries last season and they are, and they are gone now."
• 22:52
  Cooper Kupp's had nagging injuries for the last four years.
• 22:55
  Ag- You don't magically become physically better as a whole as you age in the NFL.
• 23:04
  It's not, this isn't quarterback, right?
• 23:07
  Like, where Tom Brady blew the lid off of, okay, you can get
• 23:11
  old and be super productive.
• 23:12
  This is receiver.
• 23:13
  So when I was asking you earlier, he's not triple, Triple Crown Cooper Kupp, right?
• 23:17
  No,
• 23:17
  Clinton: he's not.
• 23:17
  Adam: No.
• 23:17
  Like, okay.
• 23:18
  I mean- So, like, we've seen the peak, we've seen where it's been,
• 23:21
  and, you know, the production has steadily been in decline.
• 23:24
  A little bit of a bounce-back last year because he did manage to stay
• 23:27
  healthy, not being as much of a focal point of the offense as he
• 23:30
  was when he was with the Rams.
• 23:33
  Now, with that said, I remember peak DeAndre Hopkins, and then when D-Hop
• 23:38
  goes to Tennessee, was he still D-Hop?
• 23:40
  No.
• 23:41
  Like, I remember Julio Jones when he left and, like, you know, goes to Tennessee.
• 23:45
  He didn't magically get faster and find it again.
• 23:47
  Mike Evans isn't gonna magically find the fountain of youth next
• 23:51
  to the substation- No he won't.
• 23:54
  No he won't … and become faster and more durable and all that.
• 23:56
  Cooper Kupp is an exceptional human.
• 23:58
  Cooper Kupp is an exceptional wide receiver, and has had an exceptional
• 24:01
  career, and has been an absolute godsend in terms of the knowledge and
• 24:07
  mentality that he has brought to this team, and is really a big reason why
• 24:11
  we are current Super Bowl champions.
• 24:12
  He is on the other side of the hill.
• 24:15
  Like, it just is what it is.
• 24:17
  Like, even Jerry Rice couldn't outrun Father Time.
• 24:20
  I'm quite certain Cooper can't either.
• 24:23
  Clinton: Well, you got two legends there, wide receiver legend- legends for
• 24:26
  the Seahawks, Jerry Rice and Cooper Kupp.
• 24:28
  So, and you know, Rice, that year with Dilfer, he had a nice…
• 24:31
  He actually had a nice year.
• 24:32
  A, he had pr- good production, specifically for his age.
• 24:35
  He was really old at that point, and he had some nice production.
• 24:38
  And I think that's really what I'm after, is like, can he be even
• 24:41
  more impactful, even if, if it's on the edges, than last year?
• 24:46
  And Adam, I think your point of, hey, what he's really bringing is the fact that he's
• 24:51
  literally a coach on the field and in, and in the, the entire team sees him that way.
• 24:57
  cool.
• 24:58
  You know, very- Yeah … it worked, it worked last year, right?
• 25:00
  And, and that kind of thing is gonna keep marinating.
• 25:03
  I like the idea that maybe he's getting sharper, and therefore
• 25:06
  things might be picking up.
• 25:08
  But I also do believe that if he had the nagging injuries, maybe he did have some,
• 25:12
  and maybe he's just a little bit quicker.
• 25:14
  Maybe, maybe.
• 25:14
  Again, we're talking about edges here.
• 25:16
  Sure.
• 25:16
  It is, it is pre-season.
• 25:17
  Hey, I got you to say sure.
• 25:18
  I'll take it.
• 25:19
  All right, so but that's the wide receivers.
• 25:21
  It's deep, it is aplenty, and there are not enough footballs to go around, and a
• 25:26
  guy like Foster, who is just absolutely kicking butt so far, we'll see
• 25:31
  what happens when there's games on.
• 25:33
  I'm sure he'll get a lot of play.
• 25:35
  We'll see.
• 25:35
  Can the Seahawks sneak a guy like that to the practice squad if he's,
• 25:40
  if he has a, a monster pre-season?
• 25:42
  Now, usually in the, the NFL, most often, unless you're Drake Thomas and
• 25:46
  we, we snag him, most often you get all bent, or at least I do, I get all bent
• 25:51
  out of shape and, "Oh my God, is this guy gonna get to the practice squad?"
• 25:54
  And like nine times out of 10, or maybe, maybe even more, Adam, they do.
• 25:57
  They, they get to the practice squad somehow, and we just kinda keep them for
• 26:01
  another year of learning inside a system in an organization that clearly treats
• 26:06
  its players with a lot of priority.
• 26:08
  Adam: Oh, for sure.
• 26:09
  And look, this year it might be a little tougher to sneak guys to the practice
• 26:13
  squad, considering that we are the reigning Super Bowl champions, and, you
• 26:17
  know, other teams like to pick off some guys that have been around that program
• 26:21
  and can maybe bring a little bit of that special sauce to their organization.
• 26:25
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Awesome.
• 26:26
  All right.
• 26:27
  So that's wide receivers.
• 26:28
  We got five more topics.
• 26:29
  we could go to DBs and, and look at the flip side of that, or save that.
• 26:33
  Where do you wanna go next?
• 26:34
  You're, you're bored, dude.
• 26:35
  Adam: yeah.
• 26:36
  Let's, w- let's go to DBs because it kinda goes hand in glove with,
• 26:40
  - Yeah … the excellent, receiver play that we've seen so far.
• 26:43
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 26:44
  So we've seen great receiver play and I think, again, compared, just compared
• 26:48
  to last year and what Mike McDonald's known for, and we get our glimpses
• 26:52
  into hard knocks and we can listen to the same pundits that others listen
• 26:55
  to that have access, and the ESPNs of the world, et cetera, et cetera.
• 26:59
  The DB room, specifically the corners, look a little bit,
• 27:04
  certainly less deep than last year.
• 27:07
  So- Yeah … level of concern, is it a major concern for you at this point?
• 27:11
  And if, and is, is it a sign if we're bringing in Atarian Arnold for a
• 27:15
  visit, do you think there's a little bit, a little bit of smoke here?
• 27:19
  And no, I'm not trying to make a smoke joke with Spokane
• 27:21
  going on, but I- Not a joke.
• 27:23
  But is there, is there a little to be concerned about because of these reports?
• 27:28
  Adam: Spokane smoke jokes are too soon?
• 27:30
  Okay.
• 27:30
  Just, I'm glad to know.
• 27:31
  I, I'm glad
• 27:32
  Clinton: to know.
• 27:32
  I just don't want, you know, don't want anybody thinking I'm making a joke
• 27:34
  about Spokane, 'cause that ain't cool.
• 27:36
  Adam: Oh, gosh, no.
• 27:37
  No, we all, you know, look at those folks over there
• 27:40
  and, and wish for the best.
• 27:41
  You know- Yes … we've got some wildfires raging right outside,
• 27:44
  our place up here in the mountains.
• 27:45
  So, you know, it's a little bit everywhere.
• 27:47
  We'll all get through it, no doubt.
• 27:48
  But the smoke that is coming from the VMac regarding the DBs- On a scale of
• 27:54
  one to 10, I give this about a four.
• 27:57
  I mean- That's
• 27:58
  Clinton: not, that's not nothing, though.
• 27:59
  That's,
• 27:59
  Adam: that- It's not nothing
• 28:00
  … Clinton: right.
• 28:01
  Adam: But also, too, I mean, our top two corners are Spoon
• 28:04
  and Jobe, and they can play Spoon outside, and w- that'd be just fine.
• 28:09
  I, even though I said, you know, eh, as long as- Right … Emmanwori's back by
• 28:12
  week eight, like, we're fine, he's likely back before then, so that's gonna be fine.
• 28:17
  De'Anthony Bell's been having a nice camp, much to your
• 28:21
  delight, I'm sure, which is awesome.
• 28:23
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 28:23
  Adam: a- and also, too, you've heard good things about
• 28:26
  Fuller, being out there.
• 28:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:28
  You know, the late round draft pick or the, was he late
• 28:31
  Clinton: round draft pick or- I think it was seventh round, Andre Fuller
• 28:32
  Yeah P- pretty sure seventh round Yeah,
• 28:32
  Adam: undrafted, one of the two, but he's had himself a nice camp.
• 28:36
  And then, it's, it feels like Neal's supposed to be back
• 28:39
  real quick or, or is- I think
• 28:40
  Clinton: soon.
• 28:40
  Yeah.
• 28:41
  Adam: Yeah.
• 28:41
  So, you know, there's answers there, and then also-
• 28:44
  Clinton: Well, may- there's s- potential answers there.
• 28:46
  We don't know yet, right?
• 28:47
  So in fairness, we don't.
• 28:49
  There's spins, there's spins there with some talent.
• 28:53
  Adam: Absolutely, and it's, we're not trying to fill three
• 28:55
  out of the four DB spots.
• 28:56
  We're trying to fill third corner.
• 28:58
  Clinton: But we do play third corners a lot, and, and if Emmanwori-
• 29:02
  Yeah … is out for a bit and they have to do the things where it's, you
• 29:05
  know, Spoon playing- Yeah … playing nickel, et cetera, et cetera, you
• 29:08
  know, we play a lot of three, DBs.
• 29:10
  We're, we're nickel a ton, and we're a dime some.
• 29:13
  And, you know, so it's, maybe it's some early season pressure.
• 29:17
  And I was thinking just today about this a little bit, you know, maybe
• 29:20
  it's a, just a little bit of the cross you also bear when you have a season
• 29:24
  that goes as long as our season went.
• 29:26
  Yeah.
• 29:26
  You know, so you have a player like Emmanwori getting a surgery y- quite
• 29:30
  a bit later than, than they would have.
• 29:32
  Now, you just take that and say, "Well, yeah, that's how it goes in the NFL."
• 29:36
  but it really does feel like Nick Emmanwori is, is more than, I mean,
• 29:41
  he's only a r- rookie last year, but somehow such a keystone to allowing
• 29:46
  McDonald to do what he wants to go do.
• 29:48
  And so that depth becomes, at, at DB, becomes, it's, it's under the
• 29:54
  microscope right away with the, with the way the wide receivers are performing,
• 29:59
  and really the whole pass catching unit is performing so far in the pre-season.
• 30:03
  So I'm not sure that there's a…
• 30:06
  I don't look at it right now and say, hey, I don't have, like, a lot of
• 30:09
  comfort, I guess, Adam, right now, if it's like, hey, if, if it's Pritchett
• 30:13
  starting as the third CB that, that I'm like, "Okay, y- we're locked in.
• 30:17
  We're fine," and he, and he won't get picked on.
• 30:20
  at least a little bit, and I think he's progressing.
• 30:24
  I think year two to year one was much better, but still maybe not- knocking
• 30:29
  socks off, I guess, is the way to say it.
• 30:31
  Adam: Well, if Pritchett's been able to stay with the team and stay
• 30:34
  on the roster being a later round draft pick, wasn't he a sixth?
• 30:38
  Clinton: Well, it was the five and six, right?
• 30:39
  'Cause they
• 30:40
  Adam: cut the- Yeah, the two kids from the same school.
• 30:41
  Yeah.
• 30:41
  Clinton: Yeah, from Auburn, 'cause they cut the- Yeah … the other one, he
• 30:44
  went to the Patriots for a bit last year.
• 30:46
  And then Pritchett stuck- Right … and w- and even in the first year it was
• 30:49
  like, ooh, is he gonna make the roster?
• 30:51
  And then he did, but to his credit, which is your point, now he's- Yeah … two
• 30:54
  years into making the roster, and he made some big plays last year.
• 30:58
  So,-
• 31:00
  Adam: Mm-hmm
• 31:00
  … Clinton: yeah.
• 31:00
  So-
• 31:01
  Adam: And two years into being acclimated to Mike McDonald's system,
• 31:05
  and the rest of the players around him.
• 31:07
  And let us not forget, too, there's other ways that they could go to
• 31:10
  try to alleviate this extra corner situation that is, to be honest,
• 31:15
  the weakest spot or the biggest question mark on the entire roster- Mm
• 31:21
  for the Seahawks.
• 31:22
  No doubt about it.
• 31:23
  That's why we're talking about it.
• 31:24
  But maybe they run a bunch more three safety stuff with Okara and Bud Clark.
• 31:29
  Like, that, that's in range as well, and he's such a versatile piece and
• 31:33
  a, a dog that can play down by the line of scrimmage and is a ball hawk
• 31:38
  as well, and maybe play the back end.
• 31:39
  Like, yeah, exactly, to, yeah, to our…
• 31:43
  Let's see, I, I always forget, because it's not Andrea- It's, I always forget
• 31:48
  who, who's attached to that account.
• 31:50
  Clinton: Me too, and I always feel bad.
• 31:51
  Sorry, I'm not great with names.
• 31:52
  I, I often feel bad.
• 31:54
  Ah, I'm the worst.
• 31:55
  But yeah, just please put your name, your first name in there, not Andrea's husband.
• 31:58
  well the Bud- But- The Bud Clark piece- Good point … is interesting
• 32:01
  too because- Yeah … yeah, good point.
• 32:02
  But the Bud Clark piece, you know, Mike, McDonald- clearly called
• 32:07
  him out a little bit at the presser after, after the, the scrimmage,
• 32:11
  and it was just simply, it really sounds like Bud's not there yet.
• 32:15
  Like, he is, he, right th- right now, right now, so it's still August, but right
• 32:19
  now he is not sniffing NFL time right now.
• 32:22
  He's, he's competing for a backup spot, and it's not very clear if
• 32:26
  he'll be the backup safety right now.
• 32:28
  So, but there's a lot of time to go, including real football games, where,
• 32:32
  hey, some dudes, I think it's Gruden or others that talk about this, or you
• 32:36
  might remember, the coach, I'm sure multiple coaches do, but some dudes,
• 32:40
  when the lights turn on, it, it, the, the lights at the, physical lights
• 32:44
  turn on on the field, the lights turn on upstairs and things start to click.
• 32:48
  We might be talking in a couple days, watching the Cowboys game, be
• 32:51
  like, "Oh my gosh, Clark had a sack and an interception," or something,
• 32:55
  you know, something radical like that where he pops off the field.
• 32:59
  That would not, it would not shock me if that's the case, Adam.
• 33:02
  Adam: Yeah, for sure.
• 33:03
  I mean, there's a reason why he was drafted where he was drafted.
• 33:06
  He's a talented player, and, you know, we are as a society so wired for
• 33:13
  instant success or instant failure.
• 33:15
  Right.
• 33:15
  And, you know, if it's not that, then it's no good.
• 33:18
  And, yeah, maybe it takes a, a, a minute for Bud Clark.
• 33:23
  Maybe we don't even see the best of Bud Clark till year three.
• 33:26
  Still makes it a great draft pick, y- you know?
• 33:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 33:28
  And I'm just saying that there's bodies, there's talent, there's different ways
• 33:32
  that a mastermind like Mike McDonald can work around the idea of having one
• 33:38
  of your corners be a little weaker than it was last year, potentially, because
• 33:43
  let us not forget, it's not like they're replacing The perfect corner who never
• 33:48
  made massive mistakes in huge moments.
• 33:51
  Clinton: That's true.
• 33:51
  Right?
• 33:52
  That's…
• 33:52
  Look, Tariq Woolen, very good cover corner, man-to-man corner most
• 33:57
  times, but then he'd have the, he had egregious mistakes which, which,
• 34:02
  caused a lot of consternation, right?
• 34:03
  A- and he…
• 34:04
  You gotta remember too, the NFL, of all the teams, gave him a one-year,
• 34:08
  $15 million deal, where, where this guy, talent-wise, looked like he'd be,
• 34:13
  be rolling into a second contract for multiple years at a pr- at, I would
• 34:18
  say, maybe not double, but somewhere into the 20s for his talent level,
• 34:23
  which was met with, you know, just some, some gaffes on the field.
• 34:28
  And we do have, Josh Tehuman who's on screen here saying, "A.J.
• 34:31
  Finley was great."
• 34:32
  Oh.
• 34:32
  Josh was out there recently with, a slew of Seahawks pundits, and he, and
• 34:37
  Josh is gonna be on the show, we think Wednesday, to come on and tell us all
• 34:41
  about what he saw out at Fan Fest and his, his, his training camp visit, so we're
• 34:45
  excited to have him out there as well.
• 34:47
  Josh, interesting to hear A.J.
• 34:48
  Finley was great.
• 34:50
  I heard the interception he got was, like, a really bad ball that
• 34:53
  should never be thrown type thing.
• 34:55
  So I just wonder if it's, like, more than just a ball that
• 34:57
  shouldn't have been thrown.
• 34:58
  Cool you made a play, very cool, but was there more to the A.J.
• 35:02
  Finley being great than making a pick that the ball should not have been thrown?
• 35:06
  So, but Adam, I do wanna segue.
• 35:08
  You said something about a guy getting, you know, maybe even better in year three.
• 35:13
  I'd like to talk about a guy that might be ascending into year four.
• 35:17
  You probably know who I'm talking about, 'cause he's a big, literally,
• 35:20
  physically, a very big human
• 35:23
  Adam: The, yeah, I mean, you, this is, this is year
• 35:25
  three for Murphy though, right?
• 35:27
  Not year four
• 35:27
  Clinton: Oh, no, I was going, I was going across the line.
• 35:30
  Adam: You're going across the line?
• 35:31
  I was- Are you going for, for, for Big Anthony in a
• 35:34
  Clinton: contract year?
• 35:34
  I, I was talking about Bradford.
• 35:36
  We're talking about…
• 35:37
  Yeah, but we could…
• 35:37
  Right, that's how good and deep and young this team is.
• 35:39
  It is.
• 35:40
  We could…
• 35:40
  And we are gonna talk about Murph in a second, but I wanted to go across the
• 35:43
  line and go to the offensive side of the ball and say, Anthony Bradford, I will say
• 35:48
  it quickly as I can and toss it to you.
• 35:50
  Look, we all know the gaffes, talking, speaking of gaffes, we see them on
• 35:55
  Twitter also, and he misses his block.
• 35:56
  He's turned around.
• 35:57
  He stops during a play sometimes, and then he plays, as we start to run
• 36:02
  the ball really, really well down the line, plays pretty darn clean and just
• 36:06
  gets better and better and better into year three, helps us win a Super Bowl.
• 36:10
  Year three was better than year two.
• 36:12
  Year two was better than year one.
• 36:14
  And if you're listening to, again, the pundits that are, that are out there
• 36:17
  watching with their eyes, they're saying, "Hey, there are days out there
• 36:21
  and weeks where Bradford looks like the most capable lineman out there with
• 36:25
  a unit that's together for year two."
• 36:29
  Adam, am I, am I bullish on Anthony Bradford?
• 36:32
  'Cause I think I'm blushing th- about it, man.
• 36:35
  I think I might be bullish.
• 36:36
  What do you think?
• 36:38
  Adam: You know, it's interesting because I think this happens in all
• 36:40
  facets of life, where the pendulum swings one way so dramatic that…
• 36:46
  I knew it was Nick, God damn it.
• 36:49
  I, it took me- For,
• 36:50
  Clinton: for our audio listeners, we just found out that it's Nick- Yeah
• 36:52
  o- on, on YouTube.
• 36:53
  There's Nick.
• 36:54
  Adam: For, i- yeah Thank you.
• 36:55
  Thank you … for, and Andrew Springer's husband's account there.
• 36:57
  Yeah.
• 36:57
  Yeah.
• 36:57
  all right, so anyways, the pendulum does seem to swing,
• 37:02
  really hard when things kind of go to a more extreme end of things.
• 37:05
  And last year, I think that all of us can agree, and it's not trying to dump
• 37:10
  on a Super Bowl championship player in right guard Anthony Bradford, but he
• 37:14
  was overall the most inconsistent and the weakest link of the offensive line.
• 37:19
  Clinton: Correct.
• 37:19
  Adam: And so he got the largest amount of crap.
• 37:21
  And then when you're a massive human, the way that he is, that when you do
• 37:26
  have a whiff, it looks pretty bad.
• 37:28
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Adam: You know, and it's hard to hide, right?
• 37:30
  And so the hate had just, like, poured out towards Anthony Bradford, you
• 37:35
  know, even through the off-season and the draft and all of that.
• 37:39
  Now, I think, I feel as if- the pendulum is almost overcorrecting, you
• 37:47
  know, back to the other, other way.
• 37:48
  And like, to Brandan's point here in the chat, you know, most capable?
• 37:52
  Are we sure?
• 37:54
  Yeah.
• 37:54
  There we go, Brandan.
• 37:55
  Oh, Bradford can elevate to okay and still be the weakest.
• 37:58
  Like, exactly.
• 37:59
  I think we're overcorrecting a little bit here, and some of the media that,
• 38:03
  covered him throughout last season feels a little bit guilty for taking
• 38:09
  his name through the mud a little bit more than maybe he deserved.
• 38:13
  Now, that doesn't mean that he didn't have bad moments and he was the weakest link.
• 38:17
  He was.
• 38:18
  Like, he, he, he just was.
• 38:19
  And two things can be true at the same time, Clinton.
• 38:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:22
  Yeah.
• 38:22
  He's gotten better each and every single year, and not that it's
• 38:26
  always a continual, you know, upward trajectory to awesomeness- Right,
• 38:31
  Clinton: right
• 38:31
  Adam: but you should expect that Anthony Bradford, another year in
• 38:35
  this system, looks a bit better.
• 38:37
  He is clearly the strongest of the linemen from everybody who does
• 38:42
  seem to watch him up close in camp.
• 38:44
  I know Dave Wyman can't get enough talking about, you know- Mm … Anthony Bradford
• 38:48
  throwing people around like rag dolls.
• 38:50
  But I think he's always gonna struggle a bit in this system to a
• 38:54
  degree, when you're reliant on zone schemes, and being quick and moving
• 38:59
  laterally and things like that.
• 39:01
  That's gonna be tough for him.
• 39:02
  It- Yeah … it's just his body type.
• 39:04
  It's always is.
• 39:05
  Now, if they get a lot more into power and duo and things like that throughout the
• 39:09
  year, that's gonna play to his strengths.
• 39:10
  So, he definitely seems to have a stranglehold on the job.
• 39:15
  It sounds like Bo Stevens, well, according to Grey Zabel, better than
• 39:19
  him when he's come into camp this year.
• 39:22
  not seriously pushing for the job.
• 39:24
  And Christian, who?
• 39:26
  is a, an afterthought.
• 39:28
  So-
• 39:28
  Clinton: Okay.
• 39:28
  So the, the U- Yeah … UConn slander for Christian Haynes.
• 39:31
  Hey- Yeah … may- hey, look, there's reports out there that Christian
• 39:34
  Haynes is having a better camp, right?
• 39:36
  So again, we'll see.
• 39:37
  We'll see.
• 39:37
  Hey, that's, that's all good.
• 39:39
  If there's more competition there, more the better.
• 39:42
  I think for me, it's simply, I've kinda gotten won over by Bradford's,
• 39:48
  like you said, it's not a linear progression, 'cause usually
• 39:50
  progress is not linear that way.
• 39:52
  But slow and steady bettering, and I also just really appreciate that after
• 39:58
  now three years of this, you don't hear the dude yapping off on social
• 40:03
  media ever He, he's- No … he's never out there compla- I don't think he
• 40:06
  Adam: cares.
• 40:07
  Clinton: I don't think so either.
• 40:08
  He's not out there complaining.
• 40:09
  Yeah.
• 40:09
  He's not out there, like, arguing with people.
• 40:11
  He's, whether he's thick-skinned or just is like, it just blocks it
• 40:14
  out completely, after three years of it, I, I could at least as a human
• 40:18
  be like, "Okay, I appreciate that," that he's just focused on getting
• 40:22
  better, and seemingly I think he is.
• 40:24
  I like your points about, hey, you know, with Jalen Sundell and Grey Zabel and,
• 40:28
  and others like that, and Cross being different types of athletes.
• 40:32
  Abe, a very good athlete, but also just a stronger dude himself,
• 40:36
  the right side being a little different than the left side.
• 40:38
  - Yeah … for sure.
• 40:39
  I like the point though that, hey, with what we want to run, Bradford
• 40:44
  is likely never going to be the most fleet of foot looking out
• 40:47
  there, and that's, but that's okay.
• 40:48
  That is absolutely okay.
• 40:49
  Again, if you are a, a competent guard in the NFL and you're not drawing lots
• 40:54
  of penalties, and you're limiting your mistakes, plus you're on a su- successful
• 40:59
  team, and nobody's really talking about you- Yeah … that'd be very nice.
• 41:03
  So, so I like the progress for Bradford.
• 41:05
  It's good to hear that he's getting a little bit of love in camp this year.
• 41:09
  Maybe he just kinda turns into this, this Seahawks darling, 'cause like, look, I
• 41:13
  think he's a dude that at the end of it, let's say he has a okay to good year.
• 41:18
  Like, okay to good.
• 41:19
  Yeah.
• 41:19
  And you could go re-sign him, and it's not like, you don't gotta break
• 41:22
  the bank and you keep him in a system where it's like, oh, or you do the
• 41:25
  James Carpenter thing, or others where you let them go to organizations
• 41:29
  and they kept getting better.
• 41:30
  Adam: Yeah.
• 41:30
  That's-
• 41:30
  Clinton: It's like, did we, did we get him to a point and then say,
• 41:33
  "Okay, bye bye," and he's gonna sign an okay contract somewhere else?
• 41:38
  Or maybe he earns the right, I guess, looking forward, to get a second contract
• 41:43
  with Seattle, which if you rew- rewind the clock 18 months ago, this conversation
• 41:48
  I don't think would be happening.
• 41:49
  Adam: It would sound absurd if you're- … if you had rewound
• 41:52
  the clock to 18 months ago.
• 41:54
  And with that said, you know, Josh was talking in the comments here
• 41:59
  regarding, you know, him getting a second contract and, and all of that.
• 42:02
  Now, I'm kinda with him on this.
• 42:04
  Look, John said one of the things that he learned the most from after the
• 42:08
  first Super Bowl run with the LOB guys is that you just can't keep everyone.
• 42:11
  Clinton: Right.
• 42:12
  Adam: And Ken Walker's a great example of this.
• 42:14
  Like, really good player.
• 42:15
  Is he one of your exceptional heartbeat players of this team?
• 42:18
  No?
• 42:19
  Okay, then he has to go.
• 42:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:20
  Right?
• 42:21
  And you gotta figure out a way to replace him, if you can.
• 42:25
  'Cause the sad truth is, is that if Anthony Bradford plays to a mid-ish level,
• 42:32
  throughout this year, which is pretty close to where he was last year- Right
• 42:36
  like, he wasn't a complete dumpster fire by any stretch.
• 42:38
  Clinton: Nope.
• 42:39
  Adam: 45% of the teams out there want him.
• 42:42
  And you're gonna be outbid.
• 42:43
  You're not gonna be able to afford to keep him.
• 42:45
  And that's okay.
• 42:47
  That's okay.
• 42:48
  And I hope Anthony Bradford gets a fricking bag after this year.
• 42:52
  Keep getting them checks, brother.
• 42:53
  And, I can't wait to see what two-time Super Bowl champion Anthony
• 42:58
  Bradford gets on the open market.
• 43:00
  Clinton: Love it.
• 43:01
  Okay, great, great way to close out for him.
• 43:03
  We discussed, we, so now we got Murph, and we have, we got three more topics:
• 43:07
  Murph, Milroe, or the mystery injury for Ouzts and how that might impact things.
• 43:12
  Where do you wanna ta- where do you wanna go?
• 43:14
  Adam: let's get bummer things out of the way first.
• 43:15
  Let, let's- Okay
• 43:16
  get the Ouzts thing out of the way, I think we're all still learning to decode
• 43:22
  Mike a little bit, even though he's very forthright as a whole, but he doesn't
• 43:26
  give away the farm either when he talks.
• 43:28
  And the presser when he's talked about initially Ouzts's injury, and
• 43:32
  then asked, in the subsequent one any updates, he's just like, "No."
• 43:36
  that was discouraging to me.
• 43:39
  That sounded like, oh, no, are we talking about another neck thing?
• 43:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:43
  Are we talking about something that's gonna make it so that, you know,
• 43:47
  fullback of the future is not Robbie Ouzts?
• 43:49
  Like, that- I know … that's, that's my gut feel on it with no
• 43:53
  information, anything like that.
• 43:56
  But, it stinks because, you know, Fleury with his exposure to Shanahan
• 44:03
  for as many years as he has, it seems as if fullback was gonna be a big part
• 44:09
  of what he wants to do, the way, similar to the way that Shanahan uses Juszczyk.
• 44:15
  Clinton: For sure.
• 44:16
  I, I agree on the usage, and, like, Ouzts started the season last year, I thought
• 44:21
  actually a little, a little rough.
• 44:22
  Rough, y- and I…
• 44:23
  He was, like, my favorite guy coming in.
• 44:24
  I'm like, "I love this guy.
• 44:25
  I love the stache.
• 44:26
  I love everything."
• 44:26
  I did a hype video for the guy, like I'm excited.
• 44:28
  Yeah.
• 44:29
  I'm excited that we took this tight end convert, and I'll get, get into, into the
• 44:34
  athleticism comparison in, in a second.
• 44:36
  But I thought last year he kind of was kinda targeting a little bit
• 44:40
  awkwardly, on the move, not at, not as smooth as I thought he would be.
• 44:44
  Then he got injured, then he came back, and I thought that second time around,
• 44:47
  which, oh, by the way, you can get better, especially as a rookie, but the second
• 44:52
  time that he got his chances, I was like, "Oh, man, he's markedly better already,"
• 44:56
  and this is coming off an injury.
• 44:58
  And then he gets dinged again and, and you know, that, that was kind of a, a
• 45:01
  sad way for him to end the year, and he's still, still got some, seemingly,
• 45:05
  lingering things going on there.
• 45:07
  We'll see.
• 45:08
  Now, we bring in Brock Lampe, and Brock Lampe's a fullback
• 45:11
  that was at Northern Illinois.
• 45:13
  So he was playing for Coach Hammock when Coach Hammock was the head coach
• 45:16
  there, who's now the running back coach, who's gotten, who's getting
• 45:19
  all the love or hate depending on what side you're on for, the,
• 45:23
  the, the, Hard Knocks and his- Oh,
• 45:25
  Adam: is he getting crap for, for that?
• 45:26
  Clinton: Well, just like s- some, well, some are like, "Man, he's
• 45:28
  just out there not really coaching, just like f-bombs everywhere."
• 45:31
  And some others are like, "I love this guy.
• 45:33
  This is my guy.
• 45:34
  I love exactly how he's talking to the running back room."
• 45:36
  So it's a little Tale of Two Cities with your perception o- of Coach Hammock.
• 45:40
  But they bring in Lampe.
• 45:42
  So I, I went to, you know, I went out today and looked
• 45:45
  at some of the, metrics.
• 45:47
  I was like, "Okay, what are we getting with Brock Lampe?"
• 45:49
  In case folks don't know who this dude is yet, he was an, a UDFA
• 45:52
  that signed with the Patriots.
• 45:54
  Now he signs with the Seahawks, but again, he played under, Coach Hammock
• 45:58
  as head coach at Northern Illinois.
• 46:00
  But 6.1,
• 46:01
  250, real- fast for a 6.1,
• 46:04
  250 guy running a 4.62.
• 46:06
  But here's the thing, Adam, Ouzts is 6'3", 275, runs a bit slower, but all the
• 46:12
  explosives for Ouzts, like the things that I think matter in terms of bench, in
• 46:17
  terms of like broad, i- his, his just jumping ability, which is explosiveness,
• 46:22
  those things that you're really, that just show, show sheer athleticism at 6'3", 275.
• 46:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 46:29
  Brock Lampe is very much like an- another Brady Russell.
• 46:34
  And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think there's a bit of like
• 46:38
  froth around Brock Lampe, and I'm like, okay, maybe, m- maybe, we'll see.
• 46:43
  I hope he's awesome.
• 46:44
  But, like to pretend that he's the athlete that Ouzts is size-wise
• 46:50
  and explosive-wise, the data just says something different.
• 46:53
  So wanted to kind of point that out there.
• 46:55
  I want Brock Lampe to light it up.
• 46:57
  We can light the Lampe against the Cowboys and see it, but I'm not sold just
• 47:01
  yet that this dude could replace Ouzts if Ouzts is indeed in- injured for a while.
• 47:06
  Adam: So you don't love Lampe?
• 47:09
  You don't?
• 47:09
  Okay.
• 47:10
  - Not yet.
• 47:11
  Yeah, with, with that said I think anybody who's making a proclamation one way or the
• 47:17
  other about what this human can do with this team, I mean, you can make it.
• 47:23
  Y- y- you're welcome to do it.
• 47:24
  It's a free country.
• 47:25
  First Amendment's around for a reason, but you don't know what you're
• 47:27
  talking about because you couldn't possibly, 'cause none of us do.
• 47:30
  And, so we'll see.
• 47:32
  he, he definitely falls into the hard telling, not knowing, category.
• 47:37
  And, honestly, he may have better instincts at the position, too, even if
• 47:44
  he doesn't have the size that Ouzts has.
• 47:47
  I mean, you talked about the transition Ouzts was making, and
• 47:50
  we, we all have to remember he was playing tight end in college.
• 47:53
  Yeah.
• 47:53
  He, like, he wasn't a fullback.
• 47:54
  So learning something new at the highest level, can you imagine going to the
• 47:58
  highest level of, marketing, Clinton?
• 48:02
  Like, the highest, the highest thing in the, in the entire land,
• 48:05
  and they're like, "You know how you always dealt with graphics?
• 48:08
  Well, now you're a copy editor."
• 48:10
  Clinton: Mm-hmm.
• 48:10
  " Adam: And you gotta, and you gotta do it at the highest level."
• 48:13
  Be hard to do, right?
• 48:13
  If you've never been a copy editor.
• 48:15
  Clinton: It would take a little- Like, same … it would
• 48:16
  take a little while, right.
• 48:17
  It would take a little while, so.
• 48:18
  Adam: Same, same thing.
• 48:19
  So I don't know.
• 48:20
  Wait, wait and see on the fullback position.
• 48:23
  I'm not sold on Brady Russell being the fullback just because
• 48:26
  of size and, you know, kind of history and things like that.
• 48:29
  Love the human.
• 48:30
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 48:30
  Adam: - Correct … not, not sure that, he's the
• 48:33
  perfect fit for fullback.
• 48:35
  But again, with all of the different weapons that you had mentioned earlier
• 48:39
  in the podcast when, you know, from the tight end room specifically, you
• 48:43
  know, Fleury's got a lot of toys to play with, and he may end up in 12, 13
• 48:47
  personnel a lot more than he does 22, so.
• 48:50
  Or, or even 21.
• 48:52
  20.
• 48:52
  So yeah, we'll see how it goes.
• 48:54
  Clinton: Yeah, we will see.
• 48:55
  Pre-season will show us some more.
• 48:57
  I mean, at the end of all of that, I mean, man, let's just hope that Ouzts is
• 49:00
  not that injured, and he can get back.
• 49:03
  And- Yeah … I, I think my overarching point on that one is that, I think
• 49:07
  Ouzts is a different type of athlete than anybody else they have in that position,
• 49:11
  on the ro- on the current roster.
• 49:14
  And if he is healthy, I think his ceiling as a fullback is really, really high.
• 49:19
  Really high.
• 49:19
  Sure.
• 49:20
  So, so let's get, let's get the, the best guy back there.
• 49:23
  And then I was thinking about Nick Kallerup.
• 49:25
  We keep hearing that Kallerup's having a good camp as, like, this 3, 4 tight
• 49:30
  end, and how many tight ends- H-back
• 49:31
  are we actually gonna keep?
• 49:32
  And he's 6'5", he's 266, but he, you know, but he can move as a t- he's
• 49:37
  a good, good blocker as a tight end.
• 49:38
  So the last idea about fullback is I just wonder if they've even discussed
• 49:43
  it in, in the hall saying- C- could Nick do what Ouzts did last year?
• 49:48
  I mean, again, these are, these are good athletes.
• 49:50
  So change is hard, but if they want the Ouzts style guy, they maybe have
• 49:56
  one in the wings with Kalarup that is similarly sized and a, and a
• 49:59
  good athlete in, on his own right.
• 50:01
  So just one last- You- … thought on that side.
• 50:03
  Adam: Well, all right.
• 50:03
  One, one last, last thought.
• 50:04
  Clinton: Yeah, sure.
• 50:05
  Adam: Conspiracy Adam's here.
• 50:07
  And I think that they're holding on to the Ouzts information until
• 50:12
  the next episode of Hard Knocks.
• 50:14
  Clinton: Oh, okay.
• 50:14
  You, you want the drama.
• 50:15
  Yeah.
• 50:16
  You want the drama.
• 50:17
  Adam: Yeah, I think,
• 50:17
  Clinton: I think that's where- Because nothing sells more than
• 50:18
  fullbacks, baby, with staches.
• 50:20
  That's, that's what a-
• 50:21
  Adam: And this fan base- Well- … who's primarily watching Hard Knocks-
• 50:24
  … and a guy like Robert Ouzts, Robbie Ouzts with that mustache and what he
• 50:28
  could possibly mean in this scheme, I, the beautiful thing is, I'm
• 50:33
  knocking on all the wood, like that's one of the biggest injur- injuries
• 50:37
  we're talking about to this point.
• 50:38
  And so it seems like, to me, that there could be an upside it, and no real
• 50:44
  downside to holding that information, like your Kyle Shanahan, and not
• 50:48
  releasing it until like 11 days later.
• 50:50
  but this time for Hard Knocks instead of, to Chris Simms.
• 50:53
  Clinton: Yes, I was driving my Tesla, which was driving itself, and
• 50:56
  I reached my phone, but it's maybe my fault, but maybe not my fault.
• 50:59
  yeah.
• 51:00
  Good.
• 51:00
  Way, way to, way to come clean, Kyle.
• 51:02
  All right.
• 51:02
  So let's go to, let's go to Milroe- It's not the phone … because I, let's save
• 51:06
  Murphy for last if you're okay with that.
• 51:07
  Because- Sure … I know you wanna talk Milroe.
• 51:10
  I'll just pass it to you as simply as that.
• 51:12
  Having a nice camp.
• 51:13
  What are you seeing, hearing?
• 51:15
  What do you think Seattle's thinking?
• 51:17
  Because if we're talking about fullbacks and fourth tight ends, Milroe
• 51:21
  matters to that conversation a lot because carrying three quarterbacks
• 51:26
  is not what most NFL teams do, Adam.
• 51:29
  Adam: They don't, but John Schneider's not most GMs.
• 51:33
  And one of the- True … number one things that he learned from Ron Wolf
• 51:36
  at his time with Green Bay, and go back and think about those quarterback
• 51:40
  rooms, for a minute, and the names that were a part of that.
• 51:44
  Clinton: Not bad, not
• 51:44
  Adam: bad.
• 51:44
  I mean, you, you know about the big ones.
• 51:46
  You could even go back and think about other, like Mark Brunell and Ty
• 51:49
  Detmer and like, you know, guys who could play quarterback in this league.
• 51:54
  Look, they're gonna keep three quarterbacks, and they're definitely
• 51:58
  not trading Jalen Milroe anytime soon as much as the national media wants
• 52:02
  to trade him away desperately I think it's absolutely fascinating to hear
• 52:09
  many of the same folks who talked about what he looked like in the limited
• 52:13
  times that they saw him in OTAs, change their narrative completely
• 52:19
  from the, "He'll never figure it out.
• 52:21
  He can't hit the broad side of a barn from 12 feet," and "But he sure
• 52:25
  is fast," to, "Oh my goodness," like, "he's playing on time and in rhythm,
• 52:30
  and is hitting all layers of the field."
• 52:32
  And I thought Nemhauser did a very nice job, you know, kinda tracking his
• 52:37
  progress through a few, sequential days, which I think is more important than
• 52:42
  just being like, "Dude looked good today."
• 52:44
  Clinton: Right.
• 52:44
  Yeah, for sure.
• 52:44
  Adam: you know, being like, "He's stacking this."
• 52:46
  And you know, one of the things Brian kept talking about was,
• 52:50
  Milroe's ability to hit things over the middle, which he is correct about.
• 52:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 52:53
  He is, he's very good at throwing over the middle of the field.
• 52:56
  But he often talked about how he's not good outside the numbers, and I was
• 52:59
  like, "Well, that's true on deep stuff, but if you're talking about outs and
• 53:02
  things like that, then that's incorrect.
• 53:04
  He did that well in college, and he could do it from the far hash, near hash.
• 53:08
  It didn't, it didn't make no never mind, because dude's got an absolute
• 53:11
  hose, bigger hose than maybe the hose."
• 53:13
  So at the end of the day, it is fascinating and gratifying and,
• 53:20
  exciting to hear that people are starting to see that when you get somebody with
• 53:26
  that kind of talent, and a guy who is an accurate quarterback who suffered
• 53:30
  bouts of inaccuracy, not an inaccurate quarterback that could fa- occasionally
• 53:35
  find a couple stretches of, you know, hot streaks- what that guy looks like when
• 53:40
  he's had real deal NFL coaching for his first full off-season as a professional.
• 53:47
  And then to top it all off, Clinton-
• 53:49
  Clinton: Mm-hmm
• 53:49
  … Adam: our good buddy Dan Viens- Yeah … from Seahawks Forever, right?
• 53:52
  And also Sleeper Seahawks, he's doing that now as well.
• 53:55
  Yeah.
• 53:55
  So congrats to him on that, which is really awesome.
• 53:57
  Check him out.
• 53:58
  But, you know, Dan seeing him over a couple days and being like,
• 54:02
  "My God, he's hitting everything."
• 54:04
  Might've been best quarterback on the field.
• 54:06
  And this is such a massive deal for this team because of the upcoming
• 54:12
  potential Sam Darnold deal, here in the next year or so.
• 54:16
  And it just gives you flexibility, right?
• 54:19
  Like, if you decide, if you're John Schneider, you're like, "Yeah, no, I'm
• 54:22
  still gonna give Darnold a bag and we're gonna roll with him for the next four or
• 54:25
  five years," now you have a legitimate trade chip that has looked good at
• 54:28
  a preseason, looked good in a couple training camps, that has some experience
• 54:32
  with a Super Bowl caliber team that you can then flip into a high draft pick
• 54:36
  and help to replenish the cupboards.
• 54:38
  Or John could look at it and say, "Look, I really like this mid-tier
• 54:44
  quarterback money and what that allows me to do in terms of building a defense
• 54:48
  for my defensive-minded head coach so that we can win Super Bowls that way,"
• 54:52
  and you'll let Sam go get a bigger bag somewhere else, and you enjoy his time
• 54:57
  here, and you wish him nothing but the best, and then you roll with the young
• 55:00
  kid who looks like he's raring to go.
• 55:02
  So this is such a big development for this, organization because
• 55:07
  of what that asset could mean.
• 55:09
  And also, told you so.
• 55:13
  Clinton: I was waiting for that for about- Yeah.
• 55:15
  I love it.
• 55:15
  So I'm not gonna add too much to the, to Milroe because you said it and said
• 55:19
  it well, and you also properly named some of the pundits out there that
• 55:22
  are, that are watching it that had access or, like, he's stacking those
• 55:25
  days, which is really impressive.
• 55:27
  So I won't add there.
• 55:28
  What I will ask you, and I'll pivot it for a second, still, still on
• 55:31
  the Milroe topic, is did you see which NFL quarterback retired today?
• 55:38
  Adam: I did not.
• 55:38
  Clinton: So he's a dude you like.
• 55:41
  Mr.,
• 55:41
  Mr.
• 55:41
  One Glove himself, or maybe two gloves, Teddy Bridgewater.
• 55:45
  Oh, yeah.
• 55:45
  So Bridgewater, so I bring it up not because I, I know you're a Bridgewater
• 55:49
  fan, and he's a very competent, you know, had a, I'd say a good NFL career.
• 55:53
  Maybe not quite the ceiling that was expected when he was coming out of
• 55:55
  college, but he had terrible injury luck.
• 55:58
  But he had, still had a good NFL career.
• 56:00
  But he's on a Lions team, right?
• 56:02
  So you got Jared Goff, and I, I don't know who their third or now second
• 56:06
  is, so maybe they have somebody in the wings I'm, I'm just not thinking about.
• 56:09
  That's fine.
• 56:10
  But if Milroe is truly taking this kind of step forward, which it sounds like
• 56:15
  he is, and everything you just said- Would it not make a little bit of sense
• 56:20
  to clear a roster spot and maybe pick up the phone and see if the Lions are
• 56:25
  interested in a player like Drew Lock?
• 56:28
  Like, do you think it's too soon to pull that plug?
• 56:30
  Or it's like, you know what?
• 56:31
  There's a need.
• 56:32
  You need a l- look, this is a Lions team that thinks it's still in the, in the
• 56:35
  Super Bowl window, and they might be.
• 56:37
  But they certainly think they are.
• 56:40
  Okay, I don't, giving them a solid quarterback that if Goff goes down
• 56:45
  for four to six weeks, who could go in a dome and throw the ball around
• 56:49
  to Amon-Ra and, and Jahmyr Gibbs.
• 56:51
  Okay.
• 56:52
  So I'm just interested, interested to hear your take on, might it be time to…
• 56:57
  I'm not interested in shopping Millro, and I love the Hos, but
• 57:01
  is it time to maybe shop the Hos?
• 57:04
  Adam: I would say in this case, 'cause it's always, these sort of questions
• 57:09
  are, have completely different answers for many different teams, depending on
• 57:14
  where you are in the life cycle of a team in, you know, an era, a window,
• 57:21
  however it is that you wanna put it.
• 57:23
  You're, I was gonna say smack dab in the middle of, but honestly, I think we're
• 57:28
  at the beginning of a huge window here with legitimate Super Bowl, I'm gonna say
• 57:36
  favorites, rather than aspirations, right?
• 57:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 57:39
  Like, they don't just have aspirations.
• 57:41
  They're favorites, and they ought to be.
• 57:42
  They're the defending Super Bowl champions, and they didn't
• 57:44
  get worse this off-season.
• 57:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 57:46
  So, at the end of the day, do I want a guy to come in and take
• 57:52
  over for a potential Super Bowl year if heaven forbid Sam gets hurt, that
• 57:57
  has never done it before at the NFL level, or do I want somebody that's
• 58:02
  been around the league and has seen it all, and is comfortable and secure
• 58:07
  in his place in the world, and- Mm-hmm
• 58:09
  really understands the speed of the game and the league, and,
• 58:12
  and that sort of thing?
• 58:13
  I want that vet, I think, at that point.
• 58:16
  So I think it is too soon- Okay … to think about getting rid of Drew Lock.
• 58:20
  Plus, like, I, I mean, what are you gonna get for him?
• 58:24
  A fourth?
• 58:26
  Clinton: Well, in a, in a draft class that's supposedly loaded, right?
• 58:29
  So, you know- Sure.
• 58:30
  Yeah, fourth.
• 58:30
  Yeah … fourth, fourth round.
• 58:31
  Again, suppo- supposedly better talent than there was this year.
• 58:34
  There's, there was a coveting, "Hey, we have 12 picks," nice number.
• 58:37
  12, 12 picks heading into next year.
• 58:39
  That's on purpose.
• 58:40
  That's not by accident.
• 58:41
  So,- Yeah … you know, they, they, the, the scouts could look at the batch
• 58:45
  and be like, "Okay, the overall picture is there's a lot of talent sitting
• 58:47
  there," but maybe, maybe a fourth.
• 58:50
  Anyway, I thought it was an interesting topic.
• 58:51
  I'm not hearing others talk about it.
• 58:53
  Yeah.
• 58:53
  And I'm just, if it was, hey, I'm not saying this is a, a, we have a binary
• 58:58
  choice here, but if the choice was move on from Milroe at this point or
• 59:02
  go get something for Lock w- with a team that's in need for a, a vet backup
• 59:06
  QB, I would obv- I would just take the latter every single day of the week, and
• 59:11
  I just think it might be interesting.
• 59:13
  Look, if Milroe goes out and absolutely balls for two straight weeks- Mm-hmm
• 59:17
  … and let's say it's two weeks, like, say it's three weeks from today, and
• 59:20
  we're on a conversation on a Sunday night, about to head into week three-
• 59:23
  Adam: Mm-hmm
• 59:23
  … Clinton: preseason week three, it might be fun to
• 59:26
  revisit that very same question.
• 59:27
  That's, that's what I'm proposing at this point.
• 59:29
  Adam: I can already tell you what I'll say.
• 59:31
  Make Milroe QB two and keep Drew Lock at three.
• 59:34
  Clinton: Okay.
• 59:34
  All
• 59:34
  Adam: right.
• 59:34
  Like, is it better to be QB rich or QB poor?
• 59:38
  Clinton: QB rich- Yeah … and, and with 53, with the depth we're talking
• 59:43
  about, with dudes that are 6, 7 deep in wide receiver room, and the tight ends
• 59:48
  and the running back, there's, there's a lot of talent on this team that we ha-
• 59:53
  it's not, it's not a vacuum either, right?
• 59:55
  So if you have your two dudes, and you have some practice squad guys, your two
• 59:59
  QBs, and you get to then keep on the 53 a guy that you're really, really not wanting
• 1:00:04
  to expose, there's, there's s- there, there is more that comes with that trade
• 1:00:09
  than th- than just saying, "Do you, would you rather have three QBs or two QBs?"
• 1:00:14
  You get to keep a piece that you're not exposing, that you
• 1:00:16
  really believe should be on the 53.
• 1:00:19
  I don't know who that is, but I think that that person would matter, of course.
• 1:00:23
  Adam: So if you're talking about wide receiver six or QB
• 1:00:26
  three, which is more valuable?
• 1:00:29
  Clinton: It, it doesn't, it, it could be wide receiver six in, in,- Negative
• 1:00:32
  it, no, no, it could be because wide receiver three may never, ever,
• 1:00:36
  ever, ever play, and wide receiver six, there might be two injuries and
• 1:00:40
  the dude, the dude becomes a star.
• 1:00:42
  It's a, I'm not, it's, it's not a there's no way that's ever the possibility,
• 1:00:46
  'cause that is a possibility.
• 1:00:47
  Adam: Which, which, which position group is worth more to
• 1:00:50
  the league, quarterbacks or- I, I-
• 1:00:51
  wide receivers?
• 1:00:52
  … Clinton: I understand what you're getting at.
• 1:00:54
  I'm just saying- Okay … it's not in a vacuum, dude.
• 1:00:56
  I'm just saying, like, hey-
• 1:00:57
  Adam: Yeah
• 1:00:57
  … Clinton: if they do only keep two- Yeah … and they got back a trade
• 1:01:00
  chip, then you're like, "Okay, we got a fourth, and we kept a dude that we
• 1:01:03
  really thought was probably gonna get plucked because we're so freaking deep."
• 1:01:06
  So- Yeah … it, that's the equation of, like, a, maybe a fourth, maybe a fifth in
• 1:01:11
  a good-looking draft, and a dude retained on the 53 that you're like, "I think is
• 1:01:17
  gonna make an impact, and we don't have to keep wasting, call-up spots from
• 1:01:21
  our practice squad if you really want that, give that guy some NFL snaps."
• 1:01:24
  So it's just not in a vacuum is all I'm saying.
• 1:01:27
  So it, it could be-
• 1:01:28
  Adam: Yeah
• 1:01:29
  … Clinton: in a week or two it might be interesting to revisit
• 1:01:31
  this conversation if Milroe is ripping, which would be a really
• 1:01:34
  cool outcome and a cool conversation.
• 1:01:36
  Adam: It would be.
• 1:01:37
  I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:01:38
  It's one of my favorite things to be watching for,
• 1:01:41
  throughout this preseason.
• 1:01:43
  But I can, I can pretty much tell you right now, Clinton, there's no
• 1:01:50
  universe in which I'm gonna tell anybody, "We should keep Emmanuel Henderson Jr.
• 1:01:54
  instead of Drew Lock."
• 1:01:57
  Clinton: Okay.
• 1:01:58
  Adam: Th- th- th- now- I gotcha.
• 1:01:58
  Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  I understand.
• 1:01:58
  It could be
• 1:02:02
  Clinton: Emmanuel Henderson Jr.
• 1:02:03
  and a fourth, and, you know, so this, again, it's not, it's not just the dude.
• 1:02:07
  It's, it's a package that could be there.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  I'm in no rush to get rid of the Hose.
• 1:02:10
  I think he's a perfectly cromulent NFL backup who I believe, in a
• 1:02:15
  stretch, and we've seen it, could play pretty darn good football.
• 1:02:18
  In the right system, he could throw the freaking ball around the yard, and,
• 1:02:22
  I'm in no rush to get rid of the guy, and I wanna give Milroe the time that this
• 1:02:27
  organization seems primed to give him- Yeah … to see what he could become.
• 1:02:30
  Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  So I'm okay.
• 1:02:31
  I'm, if that's the outcome, I'm fine with it.
• 1:02:34
  Just tossing out the concept that maybe John wants another bite at the apple come
• 1:02:39
  next year 'cause he likes those picks.
• 1:02:41
  Clearly, he's already amassed 12 of them.
• 1:02:44
  All right, we have one more topic, bud.
• 1:02:45
  We're gonna talk Byron Murphy.
• 1:02:47
  So we talked about the ascension, the gradual, slow and steady
• 1:02:51
  plodding ascension,- Yeah … earlier of Anthony Bradford.
• 1:02:55
  The, it's not the antithesis because it's still, it's still a, it's still
• 1:02:58
  progress, but more like the rocket ship, progress from year one to
• 1:03:03
  year two of Byron Murphy, and heading into year three, there's a lot in my
• 1:03:09
  brain, Adam, that goes, man, not just the reports, but the, the makeup of
• 1:03:15
  what this dude's entering, like the, his environment as a year three player
• 1:03:20
  to me, kinda screams he might have an absolute monster season that's even
• 1:03:26
  bigger and better than maybe what we're, we, what we think his ceiling can be.
• 1:03:30
  How are you feeling about Murphy going into year three?
• 1:03:33
  Adam: I've talked about this a, a bunch on the last couple shows, so I'm,
• 1:03:35
  I'm more curious to get a little bit more of your take actually on this, Clinton,
• 1:03:39
  but I wanna start it with a question.
• 1:03:41
  Clinton: Sure.
• 1:03:41
  Adam: Which is the more surprising, and quick rise to superstardom, or
• 1:03:47
  maybe the least surprising is, is the way to put it, Witherspoon or Murphy?
• 1:03:54
  Clinton: wait, okay, so which one's less surprising?
• 1:03:57
  Adam: Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Clinton: I, I think Spoon's less surprising be- and here's why.
• 1:04:03
  Interesting.
• 1:04:03
  Okay.
• 1:04:04
  And because I think they're…
• 1:04:05
  Like, Murphy was very good on tape in college, but the sacks
• 1:04:09
  were not there even in college.
• 1:04:10
  So it was like, "Oh, are we just getting a good defensive tackle who's stout?"
• 1:04:14
  You know, his stature, 6'1"ish, 6'0", and h- the sacks were not there
• 1:04:19
  in college yet, but it was like, okay, clearly this dude's strong as an ox,
• 1:04:23
  and he was on a very good defensive line with the, with, the Longhorns.
• 1:04:27
  Spoon was jump off the tape every single week.
• 1:04:30
  Like, that guy's taking heads off, and so coming down and crashing from the
• 1:04:33
  cornerback position, a like, a clear great tackler, like, loves contact,
• 1:04:39
  and was clearly versatile in a really strong Illinois team that year as well.
• 1:04:44
  So that's, that's my…
• 1:04:45
  I, I think it was less surprising Spoon has had this ascension.
• 1:04:49
  but it's not, it's not, like, surprising that Murphy is where
• 1:04:54
  he is going to year three for me.
• 1:04:56
  Adam: Yeah, 'cause I thought about this a little bit, and honestly, like, JSN's
• 1:05:01
  ascension to super-duper stardom,…
• 1:05:04
  Well, not, again, and it, we're…
• 1:05:06
  Let me put the baseline on this so we don't get too crazy.
• 1:05:08
  Right, right.
• 1:05:08
  There were multiple- Like- Yeah, these were- Like- Yeah … everybody
• 1:05:10
  said, "These are quality picks."
• 1:05:12
  Like, "We're excited about 'em."
• 1:05:13
  I wasn't as
• 1:05:14
  Clinton: excited about- These are all first round- these are all high first
• 1:05:15
  rounders we're talking about here, right?
• 1:05:16
  So we get it.
• 1:05:16
  Adam: Right.
• 1:05:17
  At the time, I wasn't stoked about the JSN pick because he didn't play D
• 1:05:20
  tackle when we desperately needed one.
• 1:05:22
  Turns out we got the one we're talking about now the next year.
• 1:05:25
  The, but with that said, like, a lot of people looked at JSN and was
• 1:05:29
  like, "Ah, inside guy, I don't know that he can play outside," right?
• 1:05:31
  And like- Yep … so his ascension to, like, being legitimately one, two, or
• 1:05:35
  three, depending on how you look at it, best receiver in the league, or number
• 1:05:38
  third, or number three- Sure … best receiver in the league, that, that,
• 1:05:42
  there is some surprise there, right?
• 1:05:44
  To me- Yeah … Spoon's a little bit more surprising because, than
• 1:05:48
  Murphy, because just the size, right?
• 1:05:50
  Like, that was the one thing you looked at on screen, it's like you're not
• 1:05:53
  physically imposing and you play with this, you know, extra 30 pounds
• 1:05:58
  on your shoulder pad somehow that you run through people with, you know?
• 1:06:01
  and, you know, can you hold up?
• 1:06:04
  And, you know, he didn't test, like, off the charts, right?
• 1:06:08
  Like, he wasn't one of those workout marvels.
• 1:06:09
  He's a freaking football player.
• 1:06:11
  Mm.
• 1:06:11
  You know?
• 1:06:12
  And so, like, there's some legitimate questions to be had when, you know,
• 1:06:16
  he was drafted, although I, I loved the pick at the time, and- Sure
• 1:06:18
  … obviously we, we all love it now.
• 1:06:21
  To me, it's Byron Murphy is the least surprising, like, when you look at what
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  he did at Texas and the explosiveness and the strength, and then not only that, but
• 1:06:29
  the leverage because of his build, right?
• 1:06:32
  He plays so low, and he wins the leverage right out of the gate every
• 1:06:35
  single time, a little like Poona Ford, but on Aaron Donald- Definitely.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah … type, you know- Yeah … level.
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  And I mean, when I saw him in- You know, kinda started studying
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  him after the pick was made.
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  To me it was like, oh yes, all of this forever.
• 1:06:50
  He's going to be a super duper star.
• 1:06:53
  And so as we talk about his rise and the quick ascension through just two,
• 1:06:57
  two years in the league now going into the third, I- to me personally,
• 1:07:01
  I'm like, oh yeah, right on schedule.
• 1:07:03
  And, you know, they can talk all about Aaron Donald coming back, 89-year-old
• 1:07:08
  Aaron Donald who hasn't played in three years, and how he's gonna come back and be
• 1:07:12
  at the same, you know, first ballot Hall of Fame level that he was when he retired.
• 1:07:15
  They can do that.
• 1:07:16
  They're, they're welcome to do it.
• 1:07:17
  I mean, everybody lives in delusion in some way or another, and that's fine.
• 1:07:20
  I'm really excited about the guy who is the next at that position, and is just
• 1:07:27
  beginning to scratch his prime, and has the attitude to be able to unlock it.
• 1:07:32
  Byron Murphy's ascension over the last couple years, and then hearing, like,
• 1:07:36
  what he's going through in terms of his goals and, you know, what he's trying
• 1:07:40
  to get to in pass rush situations, it's [bleep] exciting, dude.
• 1:07:47
  Like, it- there's no other way to put it.
• 1:07:49
  that's the type of guy that I mean, we saw the impact that Prime
• 1:07:54
  Aaron Donald had for the Rams defense.
• 1:07:57
  That's what we're witnessing now with-
• 1:07:58
  Clinton: Mm
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  … Adam: Byron Murphy, and he still has Leo and- DeMarcus … and
• 1:08:04
  Riley Mills and Jarran Reed.
• 1:08:06
  Right.
• 1:08:06
  Like, all that around him.
• 1:08:07
  It's, dude, it's outrageous, and I couldn't be more giddy about it.
• 1:08:10
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 1:08:11
  so I, I echo all that i- in, in the sense that I think
• 1:08:15
  that year three, i- it's…
• 1:08:17
  Year two was really, I mean, for him to not make Pro Bowl or, or be like
• 1:08:22
  no All-Pro, no Pro Bowl, which I think what, what we do wanna talk about too
• 1:08:24
  is, like, he has a ch- he's actively out there- Yeah … like, a little chip on
• 1:08:29
  his shoulder being like, "You need to pay attention to me out here," and seemingly
• 1:08:32
  is training and, and just the maturation, and again, the team he's got around him,
• 1:08:37
  like, adding a player like Riley Mills.
• 1:08:39
  Yes, year two, but not really.
• 1:08:41
  Like, adding a Riley Mills, and it's just all bubbling up to, like, yeah, like, this
• 1:08:47
  dude could take a- another step, which is already at a incredibly high level.
• 1:08:53
  And the Texas stuff, it's just that the sacks were not there.
• 1:08:56
  That's all.
• 1:08:57
  And, and they're high variance anyway, but the sacks were not there.
• 1:09:00
  Adam: Especially for that position,
• 1:09:01
  Clinton: right?
• 1:09:02
  That's, of course, defensive tackle, you're not, you know, you're not
• 1:09:04
  really supposed to go get double-digit sacks or eight or nine or 12 or 14
• 1:09:08
  sacks from playing a zero, one, or, or sometimes scooching over to the three.
• 1:09:12
  You're just not.
• 1:09:14
  But, and also by the way, while you're going down to one knee to
• 1:09:17
  take on two dudes so that you could keep, you know, Ernest Jones
• 1:09:20
  super clean so he can get a tackle for a loss or a tackle or two yard, a
• 1:09:23
  two-yard gain or s- stuff like that.
• 1:09:25
  So he just does it all.
• 1:09:27
  I, of all the players, I don't know who I'm most excited about to watch this year.
• 1:09:33
  It's not even, like, watch.
• 1:09:34
  It, it's just more like monitor a- and those are different things.
• 1:09:38
  You know?
• 1:09:39
  Mm.
• 1:09:39
  But, they really are different things.
• 1:09:41
  But to monitor, like, what he's gonna do this year, I just feel that i- it's
• 1:09:47
  coming to this head of superstardom, where he's going to be like, "Your
• 1:09:53
  refusal to watch my body of work the first two seasons," year one was good,
• 1:09:57
  year two was damn good, and, like, the refusal for the, the NFL wide to
• 1:10:03
  really recognize him as a superstar, I think he took that personally, Adam.
• 1:10:07
  I think he's taking it personally, and I think he's gonna have one of these,
• 1:10:10
  like, too big to fail type things.
• 1:10:12
  Like, you no longer get the right to ignore what I did this season.
• 1:10:16
  That's the kinda season I think he's shaping up to produce, and I think that
• 1:10:21
  means really good things for our Seahawks.
• 1:10:23
  I'm just very high on him as a, as ascension into being a leader also through
• 1:10:29
  that play, while you have dudes like Leo and Delaw and Reed who are on the, let's
• 1:10:35
  say, last third of their, their careers.
• 1:10:37
  Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  Great careers.
• 1:10:39
  That's kind of where I put him, man.
• 1:10:40
  He's gonna be so exciting to kinda, I, I keep using that word monitor,
• 1:10:44
  'cause it just feels like that's…
• 1:10:46
  I don't need to watch him every single, like I don't…
• 1:10:47
  I'm gonna watch every game, man.
• 1:10:49
  I'm gonna watch every single play.
• 1:10:50
  I don't gotta worry about him, but I wanna watch the little things
• 1:10:54
  that's making him into that superstar that I think he's gonna become.
• 1:10:58
  Adam: Well, good luck catching him, 'cause he's so damn quick for that size.
• 1:11:01
  And I think one of the things you touched on is, you know, I took that personal.
• 1:11:05
  I mean, he has that Jordan mentality, right?
• 1:11:08
  Clinton: Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Adam: And you can see it, it oozes off the screen in his interviews, and I think
• 1:11:14
  he'll take it even a step further of you no longer have the right to overlook me.
• 1:11:18
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:18
  It's, it's I am taking away the option-
• 1:11:20
  Clinton: Yeah,
• 1:11:21
  Adam: right … that you're going to overlook me.
• 1:11:22
  There will be no overlooking me.
• 1:11:24
  You cannot do it and have eyeballs.
• 1:11:27
  Like, it, it'll be impossible, and I'm here for it, man.
• 1:11:31
  One of my favorite players.
• 1:11:32
  Love the draft pick, love what that means to build your team
• 1:11:36
  that way from the inside out.
• 1:11:38
  Clinton: Mm-hmm.
• 1:11:38
  Adam: And oh gosh, having him as your interior anchor for the next
• 1:11:44
  10 years, terrorizing every NFC West quarterback, yes please.
• 1:11:51
  I cannot wait
• 1:11:53
  Clinton: it's gonna be very fun when he's chasing Carson
• 1:11:55
  Beck for the next decade, 'cause, Carson Beck- Carson who?
• 1:11:59
  Clearly the, the king of the preseason, so- Oh, he's played
• 1:12:01
  Adam: great in the Hall of Fame Game, and now he's in the c-
• 1:12:04
  starting conversation over brisket.
• 1:12:06
  Okay.
• 1:12:07
  Clinton: I, I love it.
• 1:12:08
  That was a lot of fun.
• 1:12:09
  Hey, so we went through the six categories.
• 1:12:10
  We did news and notes, and I wanna remind folks, so Tuesday night, so Hard Knocks
• 1:12:14
  Episode 2 will be out, and we'll be live directly soon as that is over on HBO.
• 1:12:21
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• 1:12:25
  you know exactly when we are going live.
• 1:12:27
  Wednesday, it sounds like we just gotta button it up, make sure it's cool with
• 1:12:30
  Brandan as well, but Wednesday we're looking to have Josh Heit on, and he
• 1:12:33
  was out, out at, at the camp just this last couple days, so have some,
• 1:12:37
  like, live reporting, what did he see, what was looking good for him out there.
• 1:12:41
  So we're excited to have Josh on.
• 1:12:43
  And then we got more, we got tons more coming up.
• 1:12:45
  Plus, Adam, we have a real football game versus the Dallas Cowboys
• 1:12:49
  that's coming up this week that we get to prep and then talk about.
• 1:12:54
  Dude, it's back.
• 1:12:54
  Adam: It's back.
• 1:12:56
  It's here.
• 1:12:56
  It's time.
• 1:12:57
  I can't wait, and, I can't wait to have to talk about training camp reports.
• 1:13:02
  I can't wait to, stop having to break down, press conferences and look for
• 1:13:08
  meaning, through all of the coach speak that everybody uses these days.
• 1:13:13
  I cannot wait to watch the Seahawks go out and whip the Cowboys'
• 1:13:18
  ass and see Shoddy go home sad.
• 1:13:21
  Even though I like Shoddy, you're going home sad.
• 1:13:23
  Clinton: He's going home big sad.
• 1:13:25
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• 1:13:44
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• 1:13:45
  Adam, I think with that-
• 1:13:47
  Adam: There's only one thing left to say
• 1:13:48
  Clinton: Go Hawks.
• 1:13:49
  Adam: Go Hawks.