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JA RULE TELLS ALL:WAS NEVER SIGNED TO MURDER INC, IRS JAIL TIME, FYRE FESTIVAL, & 30 MILLION RECORDS · Earn Your Leisure

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  Speaker 1: Your rules and anoma, And I'm gonna tell you why
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  Speaker 1: I'm an anomaly because of what I created. That style
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  Speaker 1: is still very relevant today. Niggas is still doing what
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  Speaker 1: I was doing twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Being on Death Jam at that time is like being
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  Speaker 1: on motime. It's like the dream label to fucking be on.
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  Speaker 1: In that time, Mehan Mary's video was going on, so
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  Speaker 1: we came up with this diabolical plan. Every time that
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  Speaker 1: video plays, you don't order our video, so we get
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  Speaker 1: the trickle down one hook. Still watching that video, maybe
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  Speaker 1: they'll watch our little shit.
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  Speaker 3: How does it feel to have a signature record for
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  Speaker 3: New York City at a time like this?
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  Speaker 1: Yo, I don't think there's no feeling like having an
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  Speaker 1: anthem for your city.
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  Speaker 4: So when you hear these conversations about who originated that,
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  Speaker 4: what's your take on it?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody can rapin to make hit record? Can you write
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  Speaker 1: hit records? They did a poll or who had the
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  Speaker 1: best verse, and everybody was a jib. But people don't
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  Speaker 1: team me as the best rapper. You have one of
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  Speaker 1: the greatest catalogs. A lot of people have sold their catalogs.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that conversation has approached you how do you
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  Speaker 1: see it? My catalog is work a lot. I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: great offers. I only want to taste a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: Though. You still feel that passion to still create music.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still do. I gotta get inspired now. I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of do it is therapy. Hip hop. Shit
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  Speaker 1: is cool, live, e die, breathe hip hop. But there's
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  Speaker 1: another side to it. If tomorrow was a place that
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  Speaker 1: we all had to be, you know how many people
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't make it?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 5: Gosh, welcome back. I got a special guest.
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  Speaker 2: You're not playing so Jo something other? Man? What's happening? Man? Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: we happy to have you. Man, long overdue.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: We run into each other so many times. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: at this moment, it feels fitting for sure.
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  Speaker 3: So before we start, we gotta you know, we on
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  Speaker 3: this high from the Knicks right now. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you have created the anthem for not just like New
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  Speaker 3: York City has become a New York City.
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  Speaker 5: There's a few New York City anthems, but you might
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  Speaker 5: be that's the one.
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  Speaker 2: Don't nothing feel like that?
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  Speaker 1: I got a nause that embodies New York like the
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  Speaker 1: one all over.
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  Speaker 2: The records are great, don't yeat wrong.
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  Speaker 1: But everybody wants to feel like, yo, I got a
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  Speaker 1: hundred guns, don't don't play with us. It's the grid
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  Speaker 1: of it, it's the.
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  Speaker 2: State of mind.
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  Speaker 4: People may argue, but I'm like, it's a great song,
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  Speaker 4: it's his number one record.
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  Speaker 1: But like when you hear that, this is this is
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  Speaker 1: the beat, it's everything.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's everything that goes into it.
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  Speaker 2: Kids had the moment with it. Yeah, verse that way and.
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  Speaker 3: That solidified the spot because shout out to camp. But
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  Speaker 3: if you remember, the verses played in New York, Welcome
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  Speaker 3: to New York. So that was a big record. That's
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  Speaker 3: the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I'm at home watching the
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  Speaker 1: verses my men's. We had a bunch of people at
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  Speaker 1: the crib watching the verses. We have you know, like
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  Speaker 1: a versus party versus the type ship going on the crib.
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  Speaker 2: So we had a truck board no no, no, no
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  Speaker 2: no no, So we got it. It wasn't trouble. It
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  Speaker 2: was like a you know, uh, you know, like a
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  Speaker 2: white boy, like white boy. So the white boy.
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  Speaker 1: So everybody before the verses, everybody picked they thought it
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  Speaker 1: was gonna win.
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  Speaker 2: And you should have seen.
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  Speaker 1: I picked up my pen, I said, man, I said,
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  Speaker 1: I must have forgot all of the records that pull
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  Speaker 1: out the bag the Benjamins. I said, it's so many
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  Speaker 1: records everybody. So then they start going off and they
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  Speaker 1: start going off. And in that moment when when when
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Jules, Jules was like what we
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  Speaker 1: we you know, saying we got to New York whatever.
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  Speaker 1: He said something like something about New York and we did,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, kiss, now is the time I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: it been the party my mind, like right now, because
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  Speaker 1: they did they New York. I said, if kids puts
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  Speaker 1: this on right now and he's going to destroy the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: And then he went into his whole speech and I
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  Speaker 2: ain't from it.
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  Speaker 1: Out side, from outside you know what it is? I said, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: it gave me goosebumps.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the crib, like you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: It was that's the New York. It was the ring
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  Speaker 2: side bro watching it.
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  Speaker 3: So how does it feel to have that, because like
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  Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra, he had it for forty years, How does
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  Speaker 3: it feel to have a signature record for New York
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  Speaker 3: City at a time like this, Yo's I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think there's no feeling like having an anthem for
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  Speaker 1: your city, you know what I'm saying, Like when you
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  Speaker 1: listen to California Love, you know what I'm saying, or
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  Speaker 1: to live and die in l A.
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  Speaker 2: But like those are anthems that have lived forever for LA.
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  Speaker 1: So to have that for the mecca, it's like, yeah, my.
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  Speaker 2: Streams is upbly every year.
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  Speaker 1: This is what it's going to look like.
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  Speaker 4: That song was so I never forget you had the
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  Speaker 4: Yankee jacket on it there. I immediately had to find
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  Speaker 4: I got that jacket. Oh yeah on that video.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I brought it back out and I was like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: don't fit the same? Yeah? Nah, Man New York.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's so dope about sports and I and
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  Speaker 1: and with this Knixt run, it made me understand l
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  Speaker 1: A pride. LA. They city got pride like NEWOFLK City,
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  Speaker 1: New York. We used to have that kind of pride. Bude,
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  Speaker 1: we got of lost along the way. But LA like
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  Speaker 1: the pride for they rappers, the pride for the like
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  Speaker 1: the pride they had for their cities like no other.
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  Speaker 1: And I was I always used to wonder, like why
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  Speaker 1: they So I said, man, no white love in LA
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  Speaker 1: like l a niggas, you know what I'm saying. But
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  Speaker 1: then it dawned on me with this run they got
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  Speaker 1: eighteen championships with the Lakers. Yeah, that's city pride over
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  Speaker 1: generations that they were building. That that that pride, that
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  Speaker 1: camaraderie throughout the city that we are experiencing right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm watching my kids go to go to
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  Speaker 1: watch parties and ship coming home Like yo, the next
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  Speaker 1: I'm like that, ain't never been this kind of Knicks
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  Speaker 1: fans in your life.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta game different.
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  Speaker 1: But the energy because we're winning, that winning culture, it
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  Speaker 1: builds pride in the city. Like you you know, the
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  Speaker 1: crime is down in the city. You know, we start
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  Speaker 1: doing the dump. But but I mean, you know, besides that,
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  Speaker 1: the city is like electric right now. Like me just
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  Speaker 1: coming into the building, they're like, oh, joy up New
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  Speaker 1: York and I'm like, yo.
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  Speaker 2: This it's just different. It feels differ.
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  Speaker 4: It feels I was sitting there like we hit a
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  Speaker 4: record all the time.
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  Speaker 2: We ain't see you there yet. You said, nah, yeah, nah.
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  Speaker 1: Man, there's only one way to do this. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta seal deal.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: I feel me to say something I've been a Knicks
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  Speaker 1: fan my whole life. I'm fifty years old. The last
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  Speaker 1: championship was three years before I was born.
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  Speaker 2: Facts the facts.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, I'm like, I've never seen them win
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  Speaker 1: and I've had so many heart breaks from the patch
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  Speaker 1: of you with Knigs, Like it's just been that for
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  Speaker 1: us all the time. So to see this run, to
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  Speaker 1: get this far, I just we just need one more.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: So let's get into it, man, I want to you know,
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  Speaker 3: we talk about the business side, but let's bring it
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  Speaker 3: back to the beginning to Murder Inc.
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  Speaker 2: Ye rest of Earth piece brother got.
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  Speaker 5: You started Murder Inc.
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  Speaker 2: Together.
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  Speaker 3: What was your position in Murder Inc. As far as
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  Speaker 3: like the beginning stages, because obviously you were the franchise player,
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  Speaker 3: but did you play a role in the business side
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  Speaker 3: as well?
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  Speaker 2: For sure?
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  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about with with with Murder Inc.
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  Speaker 1: I was never actually a Murder Inc. Artist. Really, I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking of death Jaen and so you know, we
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the deal yet. IRV didn't have the deal yet,
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  Speaker 1: you know. He when when I came over to death
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  Speaker 1: Jam we got in the building was an a and R.
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  Speaker 1: At first, lead Leo gave him a and our job
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  Speaker 1: and you know it was bringing bringing that heat too
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  Speaker 1: to the building.
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  Speaker 5: He brought DMX, right, he brought d m X over there.
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  Speaker 1: He brought me over there. We were the first two
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  Speaker 1: that we're going over there. We got to death Jam
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  Speaker 1: through by way of Leo looking for me. There's as
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  Speaker 1: a legendary urban legend. You know how this kind of unraveled.
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  Speaker 1: Me and IRVS we said we was IRV. IRV was
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  Speaker 1: very clever man. We we you know, he he had
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  Speaker 1: a hustle in them, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And we was both hustlers. I was a young hustler.
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  Speaker 1: Was just a hungry hustler for this music, for this,
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  Speaker 1: for this rap, you know game. And so when we
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  Speaker 1: came out with my my group Cash Money Click, there
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  Speaker 1: was a video show the box.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah video music box.
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  Speaker 2: No not.
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  Speaker 1: You paid ninety nine to pay to watch the video
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  Speaker 1: that was watched the video I remember you had in
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  Speaker 1: Jersey like ninety.
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  Speaker 2: Five even earlier earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, we had a grainy little video that
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  Speaker 1: we had Hype William's shoot at the time. Hepe was
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  Speaker 1: the biggest fucking video director in the world at the time.
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: We finagled our way to get hyped to shoot these videos.
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  Speaker 1: And the way we did it was because Hype. He
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  Speaker 1: was good friends with Earth and Hype was doing all
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  Speaker 1: of the big videos he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: Mary J.
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  Speaker 1: Blide showed us he's doing all these videos, so we Hype,
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  Speaker 1: we need that thirty five millimeter film shoot out video
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  Speaker 1: Hype Steele's film from I ain't gonna say steal Barro.
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  Speaker 1: It was left over from from uh I want to say,
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  Speaker 1: Mary J.
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  Speaker 2: Blige is happy.
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  Speaker 1: You want to be a happy video one of them.
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  Speaker 1: I forget what video was. No one was on top
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  Speaker 1: of the mountain. I do remember that and be happy happy,
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  Speaker 1: So we got the leftover footage from that video. He
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  Speaker 1: shot from my click for us and he shot Get
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  Speaker 1: the Fortune. So now we have these two videos shot
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  Speaker 1: by Hype Williams with a new group cash on.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody knows us.
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  Speaker 1: Get the video up on videomes whatever, get the get
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  Speaker 1: the video up on the box.
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  Speaker 2: Not a box.
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  Speaker 1: You just pay and every time you pay the video
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  Speaker 1: comes on. So in that time, right then, around that time,
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  Speaker 1: Mehan Mary's video was going off, No no, no, all
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  Speaker 1: I need me Mary Jo going off the biggest song,
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  Speaker 1: biggest video so ear was like, yo, every time I
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  Speaker 1: got I did, every time that video plays, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: order our video. So we get the trickle down and
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: one foo still watching that video. Maybe they'll watch our
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: little shit, you know what I'm saying. All right, bet
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  Speaker 1: So we started doing it, but it started getting expensive,
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  Speaker 1: like on our.
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  Speaker 2: Phone and our do this.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that you gotta call, you gotta call this
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: is back that you gotta call the number, but they
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  Speaker 1: do know whatever in order the video like a jukebox
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  Speaker 1: on that, you know what I'm saying. So we came
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  Speaker 1: up with this diabolical plan. We're always in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be cheap of the book studio time, be in
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: the studio on their phone blowing up this video method
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  Speaker 1: man and Beth Mary. She was coming on all day,
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  Speaker 1: a hundred times a day. So we're like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we booked studio time. We'd be in the studio banging
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  Speaker 1: the phones out every time she's bang order our ships
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  Speaker 1: every time she had that video, our video, that video video.
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  Speaker 1: So one day, the legend is they're having a meeting
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  Speaker 1: in death Chain with jam Master J. And you know
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  Speaker 1: he had JMJ Records at the time. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: guess all the staff was there, all of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: all of the you know labels that he was working with,
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  Speaker 1: Depth Jam's working at the time, and they were all
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  Speaker 1: in their marveling over their work. That nephing married masterpiece.
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  Speaker 2: Grammy Award winning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then right after that, this little grainy black
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  Speaker 1: and white video comes on, little dude with a big
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  Speaker 1: voice and shiit get the fortune, motherfucker bang and legend
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  Speaker 1: has it. Jam Master J stood up, he said, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: that kid is from my hood. He gonna be a star.
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  Speaker 1: And Leo was like, well, didn't find him? Then bring
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  Speaker 1: him to me then, And that's how it. Leo sawt
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  Speaker 1: out looking for her and me and and and found
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  Speaker 1: you know, got to us found her. J J was
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  Speaker 1: kind of in the mix of it because it's funny
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: how things happened, right because Jay he was working with
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  Speaker 1: fox at the time, and he had a record he
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  Speaker 1: had ain't no Nigga out at the time, and but
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't on Death Jam. Jay wasn't he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: his end, you know, to death Jam. He had the
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  Speaker 1: record with Foxy, but he you know, that was a
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  Speaker 1: Brooklyn connection, not so much of a music death Jam connected.
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  Speaker 1: She was Jam, So that record was more of them
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  Speaker 1: doing that, not you know, you know, death Jam hooking
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  Speaker 1: it up with Jay wasn't Jay at the moment. He was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, still still emerging, and so Earth goes. I
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  Speaker 1: knew Foxy from the hood, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I grew up in Queens, but
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  Speaker 2: you know I knew Fox in Passing.
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  Speaker 1: We used to go to this club called the Q
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  Speaker 1: Club and Queens and Ship and you know, crazy crazy
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  Speaker 1: party to So one night I was having a birthday
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  Speaker 1: party and all of the you know, all the drug
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  Speaker 1: niggas is there on everybody's don't pretty much that at
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  Speaker 1: the time, I don't think, but you know, black juzs
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  Speaker 1: and you know, all all of them and there and
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  Speaker 1: Ship and so they send me bottles and Ship. So
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  Speaker 1: Fox was like, Who's who the niggas because she was
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  Speaker 1: performing that night with Jay. They was doing ain't no
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  Speaker 1: nigga that night, and I was just did having a party,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just like you know, you go to a
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  Speaker 1: club and have.
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  Speaker 2: It now your own little section and to throw you
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  Speaker 2: a load.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, niggas are sending me bottles my birthday
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  Speaker 1: and Ship and Fox, like who the nigga was getting
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  Speaker 1: all the bottles and you know, I'm saying, so, uh,
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  Speaker 1: my brother pretty come over and you know it's like, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: my sister want to hot let you meet you and ship?
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: You know, heard you making music? Do whatever. So I
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  Speaker 2: go over there. That's of course want of me Fox.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I meet Foxy Brown and this is how it starts.
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  Speaker 1: So we me and Fox became friends, got a number,
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  Speaker 1: She got my number, and you know, she was like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: you want to you know, maybe do some music. So
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: me and Fox had started getting a relationship. So while
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: this was going on, Leo comes into the office and
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: he's looking for new groups and he said, is to
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  Speaker 1: his flagship artists at the time, it's just Foxy Brown.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at her. This is this I'm telling this
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  Speaker 1: history is crazy, she says. Lel says to He says,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at these two groups. He says, these guys
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: here and it happened to be Lord Trecapeater Guns.
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  Speaker 2: And they had the ship, they had their New.
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  Speaker 1: York record, they had them on style at the time,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have nothing but this little grainy video whip.
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  Speaker 1: And then he said this group right here, these guys
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  Speaker 1: cast money, click gods. Foxy see me, and you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was like, oh, that's my knight.
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  Speaker 1: The niggas is nice. That niggas nice. I ain't know
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: that niggas nice. You know what I'm saying, Like you know, saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was going to fuck with them some
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: music shit to myself. So that's when Leo's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find these dudes for sure. For sure,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: got with Gotty brings God into the folk. So Jay
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: got the record with Foxy. I tell uh uh Gotti
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  Speaker 1: of about the situation. Foxy calls me and says, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: Leo wants You know how stories go to saying around
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: the blot, it becomes a whole different story. By the
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  Speaker 1: time it got to me, Foxy calls me. He said,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Leo wants to sign y'all. So that's what I
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  Speaker 1: called herb and said, I said herv fucking Leo wants
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  Speaker 1: to sign and said death jam. He said where you
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: get this from? I said, I was talking to Foxy.
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  Speaker 1: Foxy said Leo came in and asked h about about
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: to give them a whole story and he said, you,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Leo want to sign up?
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: He said, man, ru you sure? You know? I said? Thanks?
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Is what she said. He said, I'm gonna call Jay.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Let's see if he said he truth to this. He
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: calls Jay. Jay said I'll do some digging around. Because
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Jay wasn't in the system yet. He said,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I'll do some digging around and see if I you
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: know what. So Jay gets back to guy and he's like, Yo,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Yo.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: They looking for you and they're looking for Rue. We
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: get to we get to meet and set up to
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: go meet Leo Cohen Russell Simmons Death Jam. Now, being
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: on Death Jam at that time is like being on Motown.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: It's like the dream label to fucking be on. You
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, this is like a dream situation.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Me me being from Hollis, it was definitely a dream situation.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: So I So we go up there. We're sitting in
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Leo's and waiting holding a space, you know, we're waiting
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: for Leo to come out, and you know whatever, Leo
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't come out for a while. So God, He's like, Yo,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: fuck this we out. I ain't even think you have
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: me sitting up here waiting. That said, my nigga, the
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: man said he want to meet us. I ain't leave
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: it until he come out this motherfucker. I said, I'm
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: staying right there. We gonna meet the stick. So God,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Me and God. He was in the in the fucking lobby,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: going back and forth. He's like, I'm out of here.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: You want to stay? I said, I'm staying. I ain't
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: leave it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Right At that moment, Leo.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Comes out as ship you know what I'm saying, comes
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and brings us in the back, and Yo, he was real.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: That's when I started to really learn about business and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the music business, how it moves. Because Leo in that
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: moment in that day, was very cut through, brought us
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: in the ship. He was like, I only want the
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: little guy.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: He was a group.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: They was what you too?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: One of them.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: One of my niggas, Man Black, had got locked up,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: so he was in jail at the time.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So my mother partner.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: Was with me and he told him too, straight to
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: his face, I only.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Want the little one. So y'all got twenty four hours
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to figure it out.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Just like that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna you know how I must have felt like.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but no, like you know, like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the su way he's supposed to go, that's awkar car right.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: It was, Yeah, that's awkward, it's over.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So you know, me, me being the real nigga that
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I am. I you know, I tried to make it right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I said, listen, how I want to do this, my
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: group member, you know how I want to do this.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: So of course, you know they're being supportive. They're like, yo,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you know we're a group. But you know what I'm saying,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: if if we got to know move whatever, Because Get
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the Fortune was kind of like a solo record of
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: mine anyway, So I was kind of starting to make
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: solo records.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: And gott He had put it in my head that
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I could do.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Be a solo artist because I never thought of it
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: before that I was always in the group. One verse
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: was good for me. You know what I'm saying. There's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of work you get in a solo art.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Write all three verses. I got to create the hook.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I gotta do everything all, you know. So I that
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: wasn't in my wheelhouse at the time. You know, I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was comfortable being in a group. So I get home
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and this is the funny, this is this is why,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I said, having a strong I have my my age
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: boom corn.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: In my corner. She's always been there.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I go, I go home and have my daughter at
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the time, go to my wife and I say each,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I said, well, she was my girlfriend that time. She
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: was my wife. Yet, I said each, I said, yo,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: tell her a situation. I tell her situation. And I said, yo.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: You know, they said they want to sign us, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: they only want to sign me. You know what, you think,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: She's like, take the deal?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: You know the answer? Yeah, I knew the answer.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I mean not even I thought, not even a That's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the difference between many women.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Men would try to, you know, look out for the homiees.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: She got your best interests, she has my best and
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: hers and.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: That in fact, and.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: That's the beauty offul women, because they ain't gonna have
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: their best interests at him, you know too so and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: so that's that's how that went down, and and I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: took the deal, and the rest is kind of history.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: You know, did they resent you for that at a
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: certain point?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Do you think? I don't think.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I won't say resmbles is a strong word, because I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: always wanted to do it right. You know what I'm saying,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: like I've had them on my album. Black was on
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: my albums from jail, you know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Not Black Child. He was a mile from jail.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I got sued by TVT Records and Steve
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Gottlieb for you know, trying to put together a cash
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: when the Click project with them on tv T. You know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: le Yoll said we could do it. I went and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: put the project together. Then he said I couldn't do
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: it. It was just that simple, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So you know that was them having Nick dickswing contest
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: at the top, you know, him and him and Steve Gottlieb.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: You know, Leo felt like, Yo, I I blew job.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: He's you know what I'm saying. Why I'm lend him
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: back to you, to you to do the group thing.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And it was that kind of situation.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: And so so as you end the door there because
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: we all, I mean, we're from here.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: So we all remember the double XL cover.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah you asked Jay the murder Graham so all freestyle
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: that's in that time or is that after the doors opened?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: After after after after Because I couldn't sign with Death
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Jam right away, So Leo wanted me to sign. I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: was still in my deal with TVT, so I couldn't
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: sign right away. So IRV.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It's like, don't worry, I got another guy. He's gonna
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: love him, okay, m Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: So he introduced Leo to the DMX, brought DMX let
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: me brought Leo out to Yonkers and more for Gardens
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and Ship and.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Hope for guard You're the great.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: So but you said you never was signed to Murder
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: in No ever. No, It's okay, So that that's interesting.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So once Earth started the label, I was silent partner
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: with Earth.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: You were a silent partner with Yeah, so you like
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: a cold CEO. But the public didn't know that right, Well.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It was we kind of leaked it out to the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: but it kind of knew. But it was like, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: So when because obviously murder Ink, everybody just associates you
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: murder inc right, I'm not just you, Ashanti, you know
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: the whole coup, but you are on the flagship players.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: But it felt like, you know, I'm I'm gonna give
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: rule a piece of this because we came here together
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and now I'm getting honorable.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: The label deal you know what I'm saying, Well.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: That's what I want to talk about, because that happens
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of times where people feel like I hate
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: to see this happen. But even Griselda, right, you're familiar
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: with what's happening.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: With I heard they having some issues.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, allegedly what's happening is that they saying that Westside
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Gun didn't give Bennie and Conway ten percent and that
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: he was advised to Ja, they said, Jay.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Advising to not give them to give it like that
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: would be the best thing to help your brothers like
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: their actual family.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: You know, look, just give them ten percent.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so what was the conment that you have
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a conversation about, Like, Yo, can I get some equity?
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Did you approach him that he approach you or like
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: how did that?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Haver was like, Yo, rule.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: You know, they offered me a fifty fifty joint venture situation,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and I obviously I want you to be a part
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: of the joint venture, but they're not gonna let you
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: sign with me. But of course, you know, I'm gonna
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: be the one holding the flag, you know, helping build
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the company. And so I was like, yo, nigga, you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: what it is, nigga, you know what I'm saying. So
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he took care of me.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: That's actually brilliant though, because even though you wasn't signed,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: you repping it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: It just makes the Murder Inc. Brand, Yeah, so much bigger.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: So when you're writing songs for j Lo, you bring
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: a shantee, now they just automatically associate you with Murder Inc.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Anyway, So the valuation of the company just going.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So I was murdering, you know what I mean.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't never really feel like a death jam artist
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: per se, because I did every thing murdering, you know
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: what I mean. So you know, that's the way we
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: built it, and that's the way we moved it. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: it felt right because you know, that's how d was
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: moving with Rough Riders, and that's how Jay was moving
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: with Rockefeller. And so it was like, all right, I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: with Murder you know, me and God he got murder Ink,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: y'all got Rockefeller, y'all got rough Riders, and this is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the three entities of what we are. And it worked,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: It's crazy, as you said, like from the time you
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: had TVT when def Cham has this resurgence with the
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: month of the man with red and meth and then
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: there's that second resurgence and it's you, it's Jay and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: it's ex and you're all killing it. You talk about
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: fame and fortune. Most people don't get both. Yeah you did.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: You have to fame the fortune. We always argue about it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: At one point, Jove the hottest artist. I don't care
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: he has another more record.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Break You're actually Drake before Drake.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm going there.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: So there was some conversations about the melodic flow and
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: being able to harmer eyes on hooks, and yes, bone
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Thugs did it, but what made the mainstream for me
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: was you. So when you hear these conversations about who
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: originated that, what's your take on it?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: My take is this, I gotta give it ultimate respect
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and credit to the architect. No, Love gets his props too,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: but the architect and this who started it all?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Scourage blow.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, there's no He was the first rapper, the singer record,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the singer that was Day.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And he sang that whole record.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: That's where NAS got the fresh Mont.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: He sings that whole record.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: What I'm saying, what was it mainstream?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: So here's so here's where I come in. It was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: never cooland hip hop right, it was never even when
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: L did it, it did, he did it, but it
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't cool, you know what I'm saying. It was a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: big record. They love love, it was, it was it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But again he didn't sing on I need love. I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: he raps, yes, he does.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But it was a love song, the first hip hop
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: love song, if you would, I guess.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: But I said, like I said, daydreaming was that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: It was all of that. You know what I'm say
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: when you listen to the record, was all of that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: So I gotta give that the Curtis boll you know
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Then you go then you can go
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to Bone Thugs and you know other other artists who
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: definitely harmonized.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: But for me, Bone.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Thugs was a flaw a thing that we all wish
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: we could do. Nobody can do that ship with them
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and and it was beautiful and it was you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it sounded magical on his records, but.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Only they can do that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: What jah Ruh was was I was fucking a crooner man,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a nigga that sings in the shadow, and decided I'm
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: gonna put it on records and every motherfucker that listens
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to is like, I can do that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It's a good point because Nate Dog is like bone
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: thugs that he actually can sing.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: He can say yeah, it's actually.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you rap, you're a rapper first, that's just harmonized
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: the fucking around with it. So do you think Max
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: B comes from under that tree because a lot of
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: people give it Max because all right, Max B has
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: become recently in the news because he's saying he started
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: the way for whiskalif for a boogie little t J.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: All of that.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, he might he made can he make him
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: claim that you know what I'm saying, he'd he may of.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: But before all of that was rue.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But know what I'm saying, what I'm saying, and I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: made it cool because I was screaming his murder yeah
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and then still singing hooks. It wasn't just it wasn't
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and it feel like, yo, this is soft or this
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: is it didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that until you know, I have my beef shit. And
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: then he tried to make it feel like that to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the public. But then he turned around to the same
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: ship and so once again the influence of what I
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: was doing is there. It is, the blueprint was there,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, nobody was doing what I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was doing.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: As far as hip hop duets.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And so when I say that there's something that I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: created in that harmon KNY space, is that the hip hop?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Because you had that was a hell of a run. Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: When you listen to I'm Real, you don't know if
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that's my record or Jennifer's record. You listen to Mesuradze,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you don't know if that's me or Shanty's record. Same
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: thing with Raindy Days. Between me and you, you know, well,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: between me and you was.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: A little bit I'm thinking like, and it's like, what's
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: setting this this trend off?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: But between and you you can go with that too,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: because what's set in the trend off is I'm writing.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Over the Well all right, so listen. But that's my
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: next question because we interview Jermaine Dupre and he was
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: talking about you know, he's a prolific writer. Yeah, people
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: don't give him enough credit for writing.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I don't get it either, but it's cool.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about that, because you're one of the
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: greatest writers you write to, right, you write for R
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: and B singing absolutely, so A talk about that and
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: then also talk about what is the what's the publishing
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: for that?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Great is great? You know. I like to say all
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the time, I'm not a ghost writer. I'm a songwriter.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I don't write songs and give people the pub on
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the songs, or give them a song and they can
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: pay me to take the whole song and to be this.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I don't do that. I don't do that.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Write songs tailor made for the person I write him for.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So like when I wrote only record, I can say
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: that I didn't do that with it was Randy Days,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: because I wrote Randy Days for TLC. But Mary Tooks
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: heard the record. I was in, uh, I can't think
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of uh studio. No, I'm in uh Jesus Christ, what
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the hell is his second depth jail. I came thinking
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I'm getting old ladies, gentlemen.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, h.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Kevin, No, no, no, After H Kelly read l A Okay,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: sorry sorry l A. So I brought the record into
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: l as office. L A is listening to the record.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: He calls, he calls t Bos right there. T BO
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is dope. I love the record
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and we blasted ship. In that moment, Mary walks in
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and she's like, what the fuck is this? I took
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the CD and then that was it. Then demoed it
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and came back with Rainy Days and it was trazy.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But that's the only record that I wrote that I
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: didn't write for this person in mind?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: And well, what that makes you ill too, because you're
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: one of the few rappers that writes for R and
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: B singers.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Drake wrote for R and B.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: He wrote still, Drake wrote at least keys, But.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: There's not a lot of rappers that can write R
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: and B. So what's the vibe from a creative standpoint?
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: To go from a rap vibe to an R and B,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: a female R and B perspective at that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You got to get into the headspace a little bit.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Like good example, when I wrote ain't it funny?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So I want to clear up ain't it funny? Because
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: there's alls so many rumors of ain't it funny?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I'm real.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I wrote completely all by myself for jail, the whole thing,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Ain't it Funny? I co wrote with a Shanti. Okay,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: So now here's how it came about. Right, and trying
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to do an amazing job with the record too. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a Bonnie's record to write. It was my
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: record to write because I you know, I wrote that
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: record for Jim because what Jim was going through at
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the time with her, and we was having conversations about
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the ship, talking about you know, him wanting her back
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and you know, and it came to me just like that,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: ain't funny baby that you vote me when you had
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: me loves Crazy. I'm glad I could smile and say,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: ain't that funny? So that because that's how the nucleus
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: of that started. Right now, I mean, we don't get
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to that too. That's that's that's a good story too.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: So that's how the nucleus of that started. Jim loved it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I'm in the studio now creating it. Fucking that time, man,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: there was a road moving around, you know me. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: gotta finish this record for Jen. She loves the hook already,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: who's in the studio with my sister, who's.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Nice with the pen.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: She's hasn't written anything for anybody else yet, right, but
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: she's been writing her albums doing great. She's nice. She
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: get busy Bonnie, you think you can do these two verses,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I'm tired. Doesn't go ahad and take it on n
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: You think to do these two verses and ship? Yeah, rooskie,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I got it. So now she gets to doing the verses.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So now in my mind, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: go take a nap. If she comes out with the ship,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: we use it. If not, I gotta redo it. You
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. She came with the ship, she
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: came with the fucking heat. So then I finished off
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the record. I did the bridge, babe bebe's that jevery
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we canvy friends? No?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, got the hook. I got the bridge.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Bonnie wrote the two verses. Record is clean. So that's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: how that record came about. You know, there's a lot
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of you know, Miss can See, but.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: You was putting it was about it was about puff.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It was Bonnie. Was she tells the story about it?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: She says no, because she don't.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Know that part.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Know the verses that she contributed, Yes,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: but she doesn't actually know that those verses are being
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: written in. You know, because once the hook is late,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: now you're writing about that. You know what I'm saying.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: There's the theme, there's the theme. Yeah, you know, look
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: at you and she's so she's you know, she's writing
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: off the theme and she doesn't really even know that
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: she's writing about.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Puff at the time. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, we had this conversation and I'd love to
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: have it with artists in terms of where they're at
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: in their career.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Is to me, one of the greatest catalogs.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, before we ever we sat down like, Yo,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be ever, it's gonna be tough to be
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: John versus we finishing any funny dude fish because Yo,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: because it's so much to that record, right, so so
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: much to that record.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: So now we get to the verses of me doing
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the verses to the record. It's the Craig nac bey
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: mm hmm, just like you and the blab. Nobody kicked
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the flag. It must be the ass would got me
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like Dad didn't forget any fatter. We're in the rule,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: gonna have to get it out him. I jacked this
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: whole ship and his situation won't matter. Yes, I jacked
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the whole ship. His ship was became all fatter, the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: better it's everybody in there don't matter.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: You have to pay for that. No, okay, okay, but
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: here's what it got very interested. Think about Clarence. Now
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: we had.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: We had well it's it's the cadence, but you know
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the words are not the same one. So we had
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that record. If I remember Big did a remix on
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that record. Yeah, and uh, I think he came in
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: on the ship.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I think this is mad.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I get more bus and ashiggas is mad? I get
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: more button than ash trades. Don't be mad, ups, So
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I said, Caddy, I did the just like you and
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the black. But I flipped it and came in. It
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: must be the asked. I said, nigga, you come in
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: with see bitches is mad? You got more buttoned nash
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: trays and then go on anything you want.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Hmm. If he would have did that. The magic of
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that record now is that?
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: What what did he say?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: See?
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: Hey, w why.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I get you because of what I did on the front.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And you gotta understand something.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I'm writing these records, architect these records, and so it's
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like I knew.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Just listen, trust the process.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Trust.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: That's the problem.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes there's artists as rappers. You know, you
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: don't want to take and.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: He wants to say his name, want to say it's
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: a big record. He wanted to come out with his name.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I get it. He's gonna put that on the end.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Did you get a call from the other side? I
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: mean you doing that on the song? The other side's
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: gotta be like, yo, I think they wrote this about me.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: So funny story. You know what I'm saying.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: We we you know, we even with with with with
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that with Puff Me Puff and Jay was on go
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: on tour and it didn't happen because it was funny.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: We all signed a napkin. That's the contract. That night
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: it was an a Lamitage hotel, some sugar ship. Yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. We all were all in there. We're all arguing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: We're all in arguing. What because I'm the hottest nigga
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: at the time. Puff is a little call at the time,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So he's like, I don't
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: go funk. I'll go on first. I'm gonna show you
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: niggas what I do.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He's like, I'll set it off.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I't worry about So
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: it was me and Jay going back and forth forth
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: who's gonna close?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And rightfully so Old should
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: have closed, you know I'm not saying right at the time.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, maybe I don't want to close home, you.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, And so we go back for
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: but hol was gonna close, you know that that way,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it was probably gonna come to Hole close and close.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Hole was gonna let me close, you know what I'm saying.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: You know, say that, But it didn't wind to was
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: happening because the arguments got so intense. It got to
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you know, all right, I don't give a funk who closes.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Watch what I do on that stage, you know what
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It got to that, like so puffs start
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: throwing it out there, like I know what I do.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all know how I can.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yo, y'all ain't never seen what I
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: could do, you know what I'm saying. I said, I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: ain't never been on stage with with production yet, I said, nigga,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: once I get to flying around the air and on
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: kind of shussing these one of you niggas fucking me
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: on that stage. So we all talking that ship say
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that Jay being Jay who he is, he's just sitting
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: there listening. Listen what we going back and forth?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: God?
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: He saying ship, Like Nigga, our version of your record
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is bigger than your records old time.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was getting crazy and there's other people there.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: There's other people there, you know what I'm saying, like
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: like I think Chris Tucker was dead, like all people there.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I talk.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: So we're going back on. So after we, you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: thought about we want to do the tour, Jay decided
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: he didn't want to do it with us. He didn't
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: want to do it no more. And then he went
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: on tour with Yes with the backpack, you know, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I love all of them, but you know
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what we used to call him back then, ship.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And he went on.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: He went on to tour with all of other and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I remember called me. He's like, I'm going over there
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: right now. Let me see J right now. I ain't
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: gonna do this stuff. I don't want to ask you.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I want to go to the catalog piece because, like
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: I said, you have one of the greatest catalogs. I
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people have sold their catalogs to
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: sell a piece of that cat of loss. I'm sure
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: that conversation has approached you. How do you see it?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: How do you.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Look at the whole space of Hey, this is a
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: body work that I had. We can now monetize it
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: off in a different way because he's still performing these records. Yeah,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: for sure, these records are still kicking off a lot
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: of money, man, absolutely with me performing them, and you know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: you know, on the back end of it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: But I am.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, My my, my catalog is worth a lot.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting you know great, you know, yeah offers.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I I only want to taste a little bit of it, though,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I want to because I want to see what's on
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the other.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Side of it, like a pie. That's what you made.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: The pre said, he he's a.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Self piece piece of it because you know, that kind
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of money, You know, I could do a lot of
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: things as far as what I'm doing with my businesses now.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: But you know, for me, I don't need much that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: kind of money. Like that shit shit, how you.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: A Timelalla is almost thirty years old, So like that
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: thirty five year revision.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Is yeah, I get yeah, I actually did a reversion deal.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I'm wanted a few artists that did a real reversion
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: deal from the beginning.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Oh so you own your master's in thirty five years?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, so I'm about right there. Yeah, I'm
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: about twelve years away.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Because you know, it's close ironic we're having this conversation
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: because one of the last interviews that he did before
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: he passed away was with US Earth and he talked
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: that's when he sold his masters. Yeah, well yours not
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: masters not included in that though, if you're not part
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: of the label, right, But but you got a piece?
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Did you get a part of that?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: He did take care of me for being a part
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: owner of the label. Yeah, wow, honorable.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's crazy.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: So and I ain't let's talk about this live shows
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: because your live show, Yeah, people don't. I don't think
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: people fully appreciate your catalog until they actually see it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: That's why the versus shout out to Joe, that's our guy.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I knew you was gonna win because I know the
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: records that you have is like that shit is impactful,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: it's so powerful. And I actually gotta apologize to you
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: because you did invest best for as you performed, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: we had the bright idea of interrupting your set with Jim.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Shout to Jim. Looking back on it, there was no
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: need for that. Lets you rock out. But you you
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: on the road a lot, Dubai, you get booked and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Dubai a lot. What's the key to maintaining that that
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: relevancy as far as traveling doing shows on the road
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: overse like, how do you maintain that that momentum?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: It's crazy because it's kind of it's kind of a
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: blessing man. You you, it's the thing that you can't.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Foresee.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: You can't I didn't sit back and say, Yo, I'm
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: gonna make these kind of records, and then the last
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years you can't foresee that. You know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I just made records. That was that felt good to me,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It felt good to my heart.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And the one thing that I did do consciously with
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: my records that I think is helping my records last
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I never dated my records.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And you know what else it is because I call
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: it jaru karaoke. Your records are some of the best karaoke.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Songs, peep, We'll love to sing along everybody.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: We've experienced this before, like when you like dropped the beat,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: everybody saying what would I do with?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: That's also done.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Consciously, superintention You know, a lot of artists don't understand
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: music theory, cadence, oasis, crescendo, you.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: They don't understand that these things are the things that
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: subconsciously draw people to the music, draw people to the sound.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: And I knew those things earlier. And you know, I
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: like to use my voice as it's just another instrument
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: over the track. So that's where the harmonies kind of
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: came in because I like to you know, if you
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: if you rapping over certain tracks and you want to
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: stay in pocket and the pocket is melodic, then you
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: might have to stretch a word or or harmonize a
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: word to fit it into that pocket perfectly.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And so that's kind of how it came about for me.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I started.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I'm a pocket wrapper, man. If you ever listen to
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: me rapping, like you know, like really just listening and
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and and listen to the beat and then listen to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: how the wording is going with the beat, like I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: did on I when I did a great example of it,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: when I did maybe is It Murder Music?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: With with with Ross.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And I did what I call like, it's my my
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: one syllable flow on the record. But the beat, it's
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: like that beat is like one two. It's a little real,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so the flow is that,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, one crip, one blood La
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: New York, the Gang, the rule, you know, like just
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: one syllable hits. And then when the beat starts going crazy,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: like then.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I'm on not too you know what I'm saying.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And it's and so when people listening to that, like
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: they did a poll or who had the best verse,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and everybody said jih. But but like again, people team
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: is the best rapper. Every rapper was on that motherfucker
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to. Everybody in the industry was on the record,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: and they did a poll who had the best verse
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and it was me. Everybody was saying jah. But because
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: it's the way I made you feel on the record, do.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: You care about things like that, like, oh, he's not
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the best rapper?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Dude?
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: You do New York City list?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Do fuck that? I should be way higher on the list.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Fact, but I feel like every time you're not people like, yo,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: why is he not there? You know, I take it
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: with a grain of salt because it is what it is.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: I I can't make people fucking you know, understanding and
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: and and you know, realize what it is.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: You know, people do what they do. But yeah, if
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: you if I'm being honest, when I look at that list,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: These things for me ship because I think especially with
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: your like you said, your catalog, your accomplishments, the things
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: you got.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: In New York, I think it's the they don't look
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: at it is like criteria a bar like a bar
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: for bar bar for But that's what it looks like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: the criteriasm.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: It's only people they deem is spitters, right, That's it
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the criteria of these lists, right.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: And I'm like hip hop, it's so many yeah, so
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: many nuances, you know why just that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, is considered one of the
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: best rappers of all time. He's a spinner too, but
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: he's not.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: But then people take points from Drake for you did
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you write everything? You know, it's all of these singing
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: on everything. Yeah, it's all of these little you know
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: whatever you know, but I feel like, you know, it
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: reminds me of that old old saying that Kurt Cobain say.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I laugh.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Because I'm not like y'all. I mean, everybody laughs because
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not like y'all. But I laugh at y'all because
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: everybody's the same. That's how I feel with hip hop.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody can do basically one thing. Everybody can rack. Yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: can you make hit records? Can you write hit records?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Can you make a record for fucking Mary J Blige,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, Ashanti Rubens.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Studdy, you know what I'm saying?
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Like and Rikin Glaski, who else where would you put
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: yourself in it?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And then do shit for? Wrote? Can I get it?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: And then I wrote What's Love.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: In the former for thirty years in New York City?
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Where would you put yourself?
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: See?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a you know, for me, I always want to
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: respect the legends that came before me because they don't
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: always get their props. They don't always get their kudos
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: for what they were and what they did for this culture.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: There's no dusts without these guys. That's just I feel
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: like we talked to guys in your generation and they
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: say the same thing. Yeah, because that's that's what it
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: is like.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like like a ball player, like You're never
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: gonna hear, you know, Jordan not give it up to
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the great that came before him. You're never gonna hear
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: him say that, even if he knows and feels I'm
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the best. You're never going to hear those legends.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: And I imagine Queens is in Big Daddy Change and
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: E P.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: M D. Never they they never get mentioned pm D
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: niggas was credit the niggas got busy, Eric sirmon is
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I mean some of the dopest albums in records.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Strictly business, Yeah, for sure. And I'm saying those in
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: his business. Those records got sampled over and over and
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: over till today. Yeah. But you know we.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Everybody's a prisoner of the moment. You know, I said
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: it in one of my rhymes, and it's it's real.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: You know, everybody does it whoever does it last, that
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: it did it better than the whoever did it last
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: did it better than the first in the first place,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: unless you m J pick one dead are all alive.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a moonwalking space jam and Planet nine because I'm
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: talking about the only two goats that niggas don't fucking
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: step on. It's Michael Jackson and Michael Jordan.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. Yeah it's gonna be tough, you know
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: But everybody else gets stepped through and stepped over niggas,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: niggas doing it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: To j right now, that's right now, that's the night feeling.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: That's the fact.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Live long enough to see yourself become the villaint.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: So I think as a culture, we gotta stop that ship. Man.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: We gotta respect because you know, it's like it's like
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Lebron gets a lot of disrespect in the game. But yeah,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: we're gonna miss that nigga when he's gone. Man, We're
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: gonna miss Lebron when he ain't playing no more.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: But do you feel that so many times there's a
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: nostalgia for older It's like basketball player, right, they were.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Shooting free throws like this.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest, right, Kevin dur Red is gonna average
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: one hundred points if he's playing fifty.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Years he game evolved.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: It'd be like you'll be looking at.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: These old old school rappers and you gotta But then
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: you look at the catalog he got one song bro
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: like one showing that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: The game was involved in No, listen, the game is involved,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: but he telling like the hip h Yeah, that's what
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. We used to rap different, That's true, but
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you know we used to call that boom bap and
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: then it went to you know, gangster. I mean it
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: took levels and I don't know, maybe because we grew
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: up on it, right, But like, your record still plays today,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah you're not.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: It's gonna be tough to hear Kumo d on the radio.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: No disrespect to Kumo Dah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. Your record still plays thirty
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: years after.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: And stadium stadium because and you're still touring it.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you your rules and anomaly, okay, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why I'm an anomaly because of
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: what I created. That style is still very relevant today.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: So that makes the music still feel fast. Niggas is
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: still doing what I was doing twenty years ago.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: How did it feel for you when you did get
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: ridiculed for that and then you started to see other people,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: not just one person, other people take that style or
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: take similarities, Like were you looking at it like like
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: this is like the biggest mindfucking the world.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: So they said last did it better than the first
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: in the first place. That's what I deal with, you
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But I'm not. I don't care
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: about that. I applauded.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I love to see you know, a bugies as well,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: like a bull like these type of artists. Man, I
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: look at them like, yo, that is what JAB will create.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't tree and motherfuckers don't gout of Admitte.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: That's fine. You can pick any singing rapping you like
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: and say that was your influence.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: Why and even it was influenced by somebody that was
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: influenced by something.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: We lived through it, man, so there will be no denying.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: You talked about We talked about the music. There's other
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: things that you got going on outside of music. Yeah,
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: obviously we saw a couple of years ago the fire
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: situation happened. Obviously a lot was learned from that. But
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: talk about some of the other business ventures that people
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: have no idea about. Remember last time we spoke, you
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: were talking about doing like an app and things like that,
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: things that people don't really understand.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Like, yes, musician but creative first. Ye always creative first.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And I don't want to skip over the fire thing
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: because I think people don't talk about their failures enough
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: right the things. And you know, Warren Buffet said something
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: very very interesting. He said, I won't even invest in
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: a company if the CEO hasn't failed twice. Gotta learn, learn,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta you know, see what steps not
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to take too, and business all you you you you
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: could run down that road more than once. And and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: for me, I've learned so much during that debacle. But again,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I also learned a lot about how people
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: picking shoes, you know who who who gets defended in
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: our culture and who doesn't? You know like that that
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: when I look at things like that, that bothers me
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, like if we all doing
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: this as black men, right, like I root for y'all.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know y'all like that. But when I see y'all,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I smile, like I really do. Man, I see y'all
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: doing your things, be happy for y'all. I'm like my
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: black brothers doing they want to. I love to see
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: that shit. I get happy for people. I don't understand
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: the other side of it where people don't applaud.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Of their success or they root for your death.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: The root for your death. I don't get that ship like,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: so what you know?
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: With the fire ship with me, it was like, all right,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I was cleared of all wrongdoing, but people wanted me
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: to be guilty so bad. I'm like, why what I
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: did with your niggas? Say what I did to y'all
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: to make y'all want me to be in jail?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: For some shit that I ain't even you know, like
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I could see right if I listen, man, I've been
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: to jail. I served my time for the crimes that
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I did. If I did something, fine, I go to
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: jail for it. I do you know, you do the time,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: do the crime, do the time whatever. But I just
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: felt like people were so happy to celebrate my fucking
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: downfall of this. I'm like, y'all say, I want me
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: to go to fucking jail. It went to rotten jail
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: or some ship that I was clear for the guy
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: that did the crime went to jail, but people wanted
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: it for me, and I was that for me, was like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: you know, see, that's when I look at what we
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: got going on as a culture, and I'm like, we
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: gotta do batter.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: You think it's the Internet that fuels that type of just.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Nah, I think it's just our culture. I think it's
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: our culture. I think it's black culture. I think that's
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: how you know, I used to say that. I used
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: to look at that as a as a theory, you
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But then you realize the crabs
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: aint supposed to be in a barrow. So yeah, you know,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I think Jay said that famously, but that's a reality,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: So that goes back to.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: You know, and I hate to talk about that because
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like we should be one hundred times beyond it.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: But when you think about the crab shouldn't be in
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a barrow, that goes back to slave slavery.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: That's the fact.
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: So what exactly happened with that? Were you just like
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: a paid endorser of it?
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, no, no, I fucking I was
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: a partner in the company, came up with the idea
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to do beautiful Fessival on the island. You know, the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: whole shit had the right people in play called j
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: oh I need who does fucking made in America, gave
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: me the people to do made in America. It's crew
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: to do in America. Hired them, went on tour. They
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: were fired for another group that was gonna to charge
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: just two million dollars less. And I'm like, so we
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: just went through all of that for two million dollars
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: less and we hired these bozos. So these are the
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: things that you know, I learned along the way, Like,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: all right, if I'm not the CEO, and he can
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: make decisions fucking without you know what I'm saying in
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: these things. So you know, I learned a lot during
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: that experience.
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: And and.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I don't take els. I take my lessons, I take
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: my lumps. I take my lessons. Yeah, but I don't
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: take ls. You know, we we bounce back fine from that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: What other ventures I know you take that you're investing?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Actually you said, hell, yeah, you're investing. What other ventures
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: have you taken on after learning some of those lessons?
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: It's so many things, man, you know. I I got
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: with my h when an investment group, and we start
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: of doing so many crazy investments. That's actually how Ambernople
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: came came about. And that's the liquor brand that's that's
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: a liquor brand with my with my four partners, my
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: three partners actually, and it's not a white label. We
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: started that from scratch.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: What kind of look at it.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: It's whiskey whiskey, it's a honey whiskey.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: So we wanted to, you know, do something a little
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: more a little different. Yeah, and and and make a
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: flavored whiskey and and you know in the market.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: And so we did that.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: But how that came about was because, like I said,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I got a crazy investment group and we're doing all
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: these crazy investments around COVID time, and we were doing
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: like a lot of n f T shipped web three shipped,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: crypto ship and and and a whiskey dow came across
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: my desk and so it was to buy a warehouse
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: full of whiskey, and IOWA with ethereum. So I had
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: a bunch of ether at the times. I was like, yeah,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: now you're talking the language. So yeah, so I you know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: me and my partners we bought the fucking werehouse. And
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: it was a flip move.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: We at first were just went to wait to the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: to the whiskey age, you know, seven years and sell
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: it as a premium bourbon and shit. Then when it
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: got to a seven year agent process, we decided to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: start a company. But the crazy shit is, you know,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: when we started going to distilleries, you know, figuring out
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: how we can put together this blend. Excuse me, they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: told us don't use those because those are now premium
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: bourbon barrels. And if we make a honey whiskey and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: we infuse it with the honey, is going to destroy
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: the aging process.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: So we bought two year old barrels of bride.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Whiskey from Baltimore and we made this, this this amazing
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: blend man Ambernople, a special man's it's on a rocket
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: ship right now. I really, I really feel like we
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: got something special. You know, our biggest marketed promotion has
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: been liquid the lips. Motherfuckers taste it and they're like, yo,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: you know you know how you give somebody yourself and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: to hit you with the fake. You know. The reason
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: why I know it's not the fake is because this
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: is the reaction I get. Oh, this is really you
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: fect ship? All right, all right, but gee I got
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you so so you know that's been our biggest you know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: marketing strategies is people getting in front of people and
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: nothing that actually takes the product.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And we like they can buy it directly from Yeah,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: we're in total wands.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in total wins. We're in We're only in
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: seven markets right now. So we were scaling, scaling slow,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: but but at a at a good pace. Sometimes when
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: you go too broad and you lose yourself. So we're
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, own own these markets first and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: then and then you know, branch out.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to ask you because we got
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: perspective from Chris Gotti. Shout out to Chris when that
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: whole fake case happened, how it how it impacted him personally.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: You wasn't in the FED case, but obviously you're impacted
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: by it because you know Murdain.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: How did that impact you? Like, how did how did that?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Because I never really heard your side of it because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: you wasn't on trial, but obviously you.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: Know it's basically yeah, yeah, so how did that impact you?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, you gotta understand that was that was
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: that time, That was a time when when I'm going
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: through the beef ship with fifty and I can't I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: can't speak, So that's how it affected me. First, I can't.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I can't go and speak and rap right now because
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: of the things that I may rap about or say
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: it may not you know, fit well with the FEDS,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: and and you know, they trying to use lyrics as
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: evidence and this and that and the third and so
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what's better for me not
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: to say nothing to incriminate myself by saying something that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: you know, just don't say nothing, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: So that was the first thing. It was like, okay, wow,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I'm being attacked. Can't can't really say nothing back, which
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: was all right whatever. So that was that.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: But then how we lost the label too behind that?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: So now shut the label?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they shut it down because you know,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: the FAS was all up in their ship.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Yo, you know what I'm saying, like, we need the
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: budgets are looking up under yadhood too. White bends clean
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: of these guys, so we can take care of these guys.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: You know, that's how they play. And so we had
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: to deal with that. It was it was tough, man.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: That was that.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: That was the tough situation. You know, the beef ship
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: was or whatever. You know, I didn't know how that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: was going to turn out. At the time, I'm just
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: thinking it's a rap beef. It was whatever, you know
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Might think about these these niggas, you
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But yeah, not a hip hop
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: industry was feeding into all of that while were going
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: through you know, a real a real real situations.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: You know. Clap back in New York happened during those times.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which is interesting because I'm like, they're still wonderful
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: and wonderful. There's still all these creative records that become hiss. Obviously,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: there's pain that's going on. There's a lot of stuff
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: going on. You're making the music at this age, and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: I'm happy to see you here, happy to see you
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: mature as y'all.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Do you still feel that passion to still create music
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: for yourself or right for others? Yeah? I still do.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I still you know, I got a studio in my house,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: so I use it some time to time. I got
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: to get inspired. Now I'm like, you know, I'm not
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: doing it as a profession per se, and you know,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: not doing it to really be competitive no more. I
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: just kind of do it as therapy, you know. I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: go in and shit, I make dis records. I make
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: a kind of shit. I got it when I die.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I guess y'all get them all. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: But I go in and I clean out, I air oute.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't let nothing live on the inside.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: It's like when I was in jail, I had to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: figure out how to take my mind out of this place.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Your body's here. Gun charge, gun charge. But it's crazy.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I did stay there faed time because you know, I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: did my stay time for the gun charge. And then
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: as soon as I got released, the fans came and
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: got me for failure to foul taxes.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: So you know that was talking about that.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: That was cute.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: What's what's the story behind that? What the taxes related
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: to you being in jail?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: The taxes? Your accounting was doing something?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I was doing some crazy shit.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: You know. I didn't understand money at the time, so
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I would that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would do
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: ship Like, yo, you give me two fifty for the show.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Bet give me fifty in cash and send it over
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: two hundred to the ship. In my mind, that fifty
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: is free cash.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought that like, I just thought,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: if you gave it to me cash, it ain't on
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: the books. I don't know why I thought that. So
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I did that to the tuner, like three million fucking dollars.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when you was getting paid, you was getting
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: paid the cash a lot of it.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I just wasn't reporting.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: He wasn't reporting it. How did they find out? They
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: just started looking snooping around seeing promoters.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I think when the fair case and that should happen.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: You know, he's getting poking around. What else can what
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: else can we get these niggas? Oh ship this nigga.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Oh so he made all of this money, but he
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: didn't report this money that's going on over here. Let's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you know how much money did you have to pay back?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: Oh you had to pay back three million and you
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: did jail time.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Wow, my lawyer was really good.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Shout out to stay she Richmond and Mary Richmond. I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: don't I'm not sure, but I don't think this happens
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: very often.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: But she ran my.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Chargers current on a state and a fed charge that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: will completely Yeah, like one is the violence, Josh, and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: one was a fucking and she I don't know how
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: she did it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: But she did it.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And so the reason why the fans came and got
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: me was because I owed more time. Okay, so they
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: came and got it. And then she was trying to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: get me your house arrest and let me do the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: rest of the time at home home home.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: You know, how was it a sacrifice to repay?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Because we talked to Steve Harvey and he was saying
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: he owed the irs eight million dollars and they put
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: him on some crazy payment playing like one hundred thousand
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: dollars a month and like if you missed one payment,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: you're going to jail.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: And he's like, that's when he started to just do
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: any type of show. He was Saturday Sunday one day,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: like he was just going crazy, like he was going crazy.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: I think it might have been like a million a month.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: It was, it was. It was one hundred thousand a month,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: undred thosand a month. It was crazy.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: It was crazy trying to you up, like obviously you're
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: going through all of this, and then you got like
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: did that put like a financial strain on you? Like, damn,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: I got a really you.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Know it did. For a minute, you know, I had
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: to you know, I like to think I'm smart more money.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I think I could be a lot smarter
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: one money, especially if if watching and I'm like, I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: could be a lot smarter. But but you know, I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: like to believe I'm smart money and I do smart
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: things more money. And in that moment, I did, so
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: you had and I had had the next day and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I was able to get through the two years.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so that was fine. You know, you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: live and you learn, you know what I mean.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I made a lot of money, spent a lot of money,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: you know, saved us enough money, you know, and and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and and I'm still able to earn.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: So that that to me is the biggest part.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Like because that's the stories that Chris tells us, Like
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: he like, yo, like I remember going to La They
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: in a mansion, they got all the gang members and right,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: He's like that's what I knew. Like Okay, look, yeah,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: this ship is we need to get this under control, yo.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I used to So my first endeavor and anything getting
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: money is we went and got a crib in Hollywood Hills.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: This is the story. It was like the most ghetto
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: mansion you get.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: I got this house and it was I was gonna
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: go there and record my album, my second album, and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: then shoot fast and furious while we were out there
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: and l like we were shooting it out there in
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: l A.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: And so it was.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: It was a glorious time, man, you know, and and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: and but we didn't discriminate. Bloods, cribs.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Everybody, come on. He said.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: It was so wild and we were so wild, Like
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: we be in the pool and you know, guns just
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: around the edge of the pool.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: There was a bowl in the front. You know, everybody
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: put any type of weapons here and you enjoy yourself.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: It was just he said, he walked in, he was
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: just like.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Chris.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Chris came in. We was already moving and grooving. You know,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: it was already rocking and roll and it was crazy.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: There was no there was no stopping it. By the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: time you know, Chris, you know, started coming into the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: phrase ship, it wasn't.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: I got to ask you a hip hop question, Nas,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: what happened from that from your perspective, like, what what
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: exactly happened with that?
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: It was a talkie sign. I did the record, but
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: then he never actually did sign.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: What was the thought process and bringing Nas to murder
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: inc And did you have a conversation with Nas.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Nas came to my crib. You know, we kicked it,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: and ship I was, you know, I think I think
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: me and Me and Gotty was a little too crazy
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: for Nas.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Nas has the famous story where I think gott He
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: told the story. He was like, Yo, we're gonna be martyrs,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: got crazy. But I was on that crazy shit. I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck, you know.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: I I.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Thought I was gonna die young. I was, you know,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: from when I was, you know, just a kid in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: the hood selling drugs. You know, just just just what
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I believe. You know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: make it past twenty five. So let's let's let's run
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: it up, Let's do everything. And that's why I spent
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: so much money. That's why I spent a lot of
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: money when I got money, because I was like, well,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: they're gonna last week. I ain't gonna be.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Its ignorant me, you know.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: But but Nas came to my crib. We kicked it,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and I remember, I'm like, Yo, nigga, we're gonna turn
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: the city Upga get matching Ferrari's We're gonna run around.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Nigga crazy for you, and I was like, yeah, nigga cut.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: And I remember telling Nas about the deal, and that's.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: When I think things were left about what deal, the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: deal we were gonna do at Sony, the new murder
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: Ink deal. Yeah, yeah, he had he had just left
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: Sony of Columbia.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: From what I heard, from what I knew, they were
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: giving me nads a certain amount of money, a peace
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: and Nas was under a different impression that he was
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: getting more less less. And I was like, nah, I
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: ain't the deal.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Things were left from there. You know, that ain't my business.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: That's not business, you know what I'm saying. But things
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: just didn't work out from there once I kind of
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and that's my brother.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm not going on.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: It's Queen's Yeah, I'm not going not you know what
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Tell them what I know, what's going on.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But it ruined the whole deal.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Nobody got paid, you know what I said. Nobody got
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: no money that situation, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: And you just did it because you're like, what this up?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: But then somebody else had already told him a number,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: so there was a difference.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: It me me and solid. Yeah, so.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: Wasn't you guys somebody else.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Tell me something that we're doing a deal. We're going
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: to keep the numbers real with me, tell me what
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: it is. You know what I'm saying. I heard it
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: was the old you know, the old baiting switch, like
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: how much you want?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Get me this much? I bet come back to you.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: I got you this much, my niggard.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: But it's really.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Like that, ain't what's uping You're saying? Not just you know,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I may have been wrong in the situation, but nah,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. You know what I'm saying. When
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: i'm I'm like I said, I like, I enjoy seeing
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: niggas went so fuck that, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: So and you know so, so after that, the deal
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: fell apart. This whole situation fell apart, and it just
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: didn't happen. It may have been other things involved too,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: but I know that's kind of weird.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Started that that speaks to the growth and the maturity
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: of hip hop, right, So, like it was a young
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: man's game and we never saw people age and now
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: we're getting to see people make mistakes come, bathroom. Those
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: mistakes still get to revisit, those that court base that
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: they grew with and still thrive. I told you I
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: was excited when I saw you celebrate your daughter getting married. Yeah,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: fatherhood is something that we didn't get to see like
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: it was. I guess Run's house would be that and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: Tip did it too. Talk about that piece of having
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: a wife as stability and watching your kids grow married
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: like grandfather, your grandfather or looking.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: My daughter just had her first child. It was a
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: daughter baby. Yeah, I thought he's gonna say, nah, I love.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: My daughter, man.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I love that bello with me and ship. I can't
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: let you get bigger, so I could really you know,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: take you know, I already started her little custodial account. Man.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: She she's gonna be richer in all of it. Was
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: watching you know, she's gonna be richer than all of us. Man.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: But you know those those are the things that I'm
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: happy for. You know that I'm able to provide for
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: my family. Dude, you know those are the things that
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: are important to me. The hip hop ship is cool.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I love hip hop. It's is live Eat Die, breathe
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: hip hop man, you know what I mean. But there's
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: another side to it. You know, there's life. It's real,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: real life to live, you know, And that's the important
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: side of it. Like all of the other ship it's cool,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: all the material ship it's cool.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: I said, babysitting and playing golf. What's the work? What's work?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: I regimen?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: Because that's another thing too. You've always maintained physical fitness
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of rappers. That doesn't happen a lot of
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: people just in general. Yeah, fifty years old, like you're
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: in really good shape.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, workout every day?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: What's the workout regimen?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I go down to my gym. I got my gym
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: in the crib too. Everything's in my house, so I
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: gotta leave that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. That's
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: that's I used to have trouble the lice I used
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to have in Trouble Kid Peter the Life.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: But I go to I work out, but just regularly. No,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: you don't do nothing crazy.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: You eat, you eat, I eat good, then I then
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I work out. I I hate the iron still. I
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: see my man. No, I ain't gonna lie my man.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: A I was locked up with you now and Ship.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I seen this nigga doing motherfucking declines two twenty five
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: and in the clip still I'm like, still doing that Ship. Well,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I need to get back into tip because we were.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: When I was in Jil was a monster.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I was. I was, I was yoked up. It's crazy,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: you know, But I do all that shit. I don't.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: I am a person that likes to show up. You
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: ain't never gonna see me do the work you go
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: on my Grammy. Ain't gonna see me doing no work
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: on that ship. But I work out a box train.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Mm a train. I do all that Ship, just waiting
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: for the day a nigga to find out. Oh Ship,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't know this nigga could do that. I didn't
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: know you could put me in this hole and ship
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: knows more time Ship, I didn't know it.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not gonna know.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna know it what I'm saying. But to me,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: that's important showing up. You talk about sh all day
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: showing up, you know. Michael Beazey said somethl ship when
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: he I seen him on the podcast with Shop and
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: he said, he said, if tomorrow was a place that
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: we all had to be you know how many people
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: wouldn't make it mm hmm. That to me is fucking
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: prolific and deep because that is facts. Tomorrow's get it's
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: the day you know it's gonna come. Some people take
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: it for granted. If tomorrow was a place that we
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: all had to get to and be, you know how
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: many people would fucking make it.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Work?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Ethic, dedication, discipline. A lot of people don't have that
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: and that, and that to me is showing up. I
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: don't need you to see me do the work because
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: most of the time when you see niggas do on
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: the GRAMD, they ain't doing the work.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: They cheating.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Where they say in movies
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: and see we're gonna cheat it. We're gonna cheat the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: shot right here, you know what I'm saying. That's they're
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: doing the cheating the shot. They're not really you know.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: So I like to show up.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: And people know, people that know me, that depend on me,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: they know Rule don't show up, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Nobody in my circle knows, they know they can depend
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: on me. They know if Rule gotta show, he ain't
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: gonna be late. You know what I'm saying he's gonna
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: be on time, he's gonna be gonna rock, he gonna
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: do job. You're gonna do what he's supposed You know
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm not gonna let my team down.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: And I expect the same from my team. You if
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: if I'm at the top of the food chain and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: and and I worked this hard, you gotta work just
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: as hard, if not hard.
• 1:19:17
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• 1:19:20
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• 1:20:01
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, keep up the great work.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: Been a great ambassador to hip hop, not just from
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: a music stamp, people from a lifestamp.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: And we work. Yeah, we got so. Yeah, I do
• 1:20:27
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• 1:21:08
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• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Is that one? It is fucking that one? Man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: And are you still acting? Yeah? I'm a be in it.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm being it.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get credit for that, Dylan McDermott.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: You get in with a good actor. I'm DC you know,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I could you know. I'm my own worst critic and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: so when I watched myself act. Now I can see
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: I can't do that with rat but with acting, I
• 1:21:40
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• 1:21:42
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• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: could have walked in the room like this, I could
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• 1:21:49
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  Speaker 1: could be better here. The timing of how I said
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: that could have been all of those things. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: a very big critic on myself and this next project,
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  Speaker 1: and he's a couple of the next projects that I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing is going to showcase the good actor that I.
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  Speaker 2: That I that I can be. I will give you credit.
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  Speaker 5: Favorite job, favorite.
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  Speaker 4: Song, favorite job, I mean, put it on me is
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  Speaker 4: obviously that that's just a classic. As you were talking,
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  Speaker 4: I started thinking of lot, can we get a break cave?
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  Speaker 4: We ain't really happy here? That's the that's the that's
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  Speaker 4: the that's the army man, And I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: that's in my head because Yo, So when I was
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  Speaker 4: in jail, so many niggas said that chance got them
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  Speaker 4: to a lot of but those are my army cadence chants.
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  Speaker 4: That so if I didn't make it a hip hop.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to put it on me, not number
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  Speaker 2: one to me.
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  Speaker 5: My favorite song, it's never again, never again, so.
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  Speaker 2: Never good again. Those are the records that people don't
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  Speaker 2: listen to to really hear, y'all rule.
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  Speaker 1: They listen to put it on me now exactly chats
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  Speaker 1: a bubble gum rap Nigga makes to sing song for
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  Speaker 1: the chicks.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But I love clap Back too, though,
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  Speaker 2: clap back back, see for me clap back. I love
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  Speaker 2: that record. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love the beat, I love what it what it
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  Speaker 1: feels like. I don't love all the lyrics. I love them,
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  Speaker 1: I don't love all the lyrics. I felt like I
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  Speaker 1: could have harder yes, because it was a disc record,
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  Speaker 1: and I felt like I should have fucking went.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like it's a mantra. Though. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: was getting.
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  Speaker 1: Bottled up a lot, man, like, you know, fucking New York,
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  Speaker 1: because I was going that Niggas in New York. That
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  Speaker 1: record is I started fifty you pussy not even It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't Niggas.
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  Speaker 2: Was, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Fact, that's how it started. But you know, Niggas was
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  Speaker 1: like come on, we're trying to get this play. I'm
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  Speaker 1: all right, man, the most.
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  Speaker 4: Important record and this influenced my travel Halla holla. The
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  Speaker 4: video was shot in Brazil. Yes, the video was so crazy.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Shout out to my Mike Williams. He went to study abroad.
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  Speaker 4: I actually followed the footsteps of that video. I went
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  Speaker 4: to Rio, man couple. I tried to find a club
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  Speaker 4: that you would club help.
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  Speaker 2: I found it. Talk after that was a motherfucker man.
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  Speaker 4: Snoop had the beautiful joint Yella.
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  Speaker 1: He was first to go to rial and then Snoop
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  Speaker 1: did the steps. It was sponsor family. You go to
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  Speaker 1: real the Hey, you know just what Mom is just
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: on the beat, So I don't really but they decreased though.
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  Speaker 1: They always talk about John New club help right away
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  Speaker 1: and he's the Yeah for sure, y'ah, my brother. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate y'all man always man, keep doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, See you next week. Eat peace.