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Vikings Make History, College Bowl Games, A Beer Trifecta | TSH Ep. 117 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of
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  Speaker 1: The Schoolhop.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Evan, I'm Austin.
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  Speaker 1: We're just a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like
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  Speaker 1: drinking beer and talking about the Viking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And what a change from last week
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  Speaker 2: to this week. I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so much more positive. We were dooming gloom last week.
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  Speaker 1: Things are looking up, kind of in no purple punishments. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. We did spend some time this week talking about
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  Speaker 2: the specific because specifics of that thirty one to nothing
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  Speaker 2: blowout over the Commanders, which was pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we looked ahead to the remaining four games.
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  Speaker 1: When we even zeroed in on the Sunday night game
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  Speaker 1: coming up against the Cowboys. I'm excited. I think the
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  Speaker 1: Vikings have a lot of opportunities ahead of them, not
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  Speaker 1: just in the games on their schedule, but what lies ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And if you're interested, we did kind of
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  Speaker 2: derail a little bit about the idea of college football
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  Speaker 2: and bowl games, whether or not teams should be in there.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, all that to be heard ahead here
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  Speaker 2: in episode one seventeen. Grab a cold one and join us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, school school. Some good news, good news, we don't
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  Speaker 1: have to spin the wheel of Purple punishment.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there's some entertainment value in that, so, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see if that comes up here in future episodes.
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  Speaker 2: If you're missing it. We've got plenty of episodes with
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  Speaker 2: us doing punishments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, go back and watch, because we've had some bad ones.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think I still have a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a mark from when you shot me with that
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  Speaker 1: But we don't have to spend today no spinning because
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  Speaker 1: in the preseason we picked the Vikings to win this
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  Speaker 1: game against the Commanders and they did well.
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  Speaker 2: Heck yes they did. They that was an exclamation point victory.
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  Speaker 2: I really come back as far as the season's concerned,
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  Speaker 2: not that this seasons, you know, turning into something great
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think the playoffs are happening, but a
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  Speaker 2: really good get back game and we'll have plenty of
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  Speaker 2: time this episode to talk about it. But either way,
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  Speaker 2: it earned us a free week from the Purple Punishments. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about maybe next week if we have to spin,
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  Speaker 2: but until then, let's get into some beer. I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: So I picked up the beer tonight and I went
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  Speaker 1: to our high V. I was looking for this Christmas
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  Speaker 1: beer I really wanted to try, and I couldn't find it,
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  Speaker 1: but I found this instead. What did you get of
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  Speaker 1: We got Exiles world class Lagger pack. So there's four
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  Speaker 1: different beers and I think we'll probably maybe try all
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  Speaker 1: of them between the two of us, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, we'll do a good portionately.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So the Ruthie, which next to that it says
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  Speaker 1: Iowa's number one craft lagger. I think if you live
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  Speaker 1: in Iowa and you like beer, you've probably had a
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  Speaker 1: Ruthie before.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, we've had it on the show.
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  Speaker 1: We've had it on the show. Yep. Gigi is a
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  Speaker 1: Dunkle and we're gonna start with the Port of Shadows
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  Speaker 1: Imperial Lagger. It's a seven percent Porter style lager. And
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  Speaker 1: then last but not least is a Lagger Pack exclusive.
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  Speaker 1: So a beer that you can only get in this pack.
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  Speaker 1: What is that one called the Clockwork Pills, which is
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  Speaker 1: a check pilsner. So We've got quite a few good
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  Speaker 1: beers to try tonight. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is really only like the fourth time
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  Speaker 2: that we've had exile beers on the show, if you
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  Speaker 2: don't count the Brew Hop. I think we had them
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  Speaker 2: in brew Hop one point zero, but not two point zero.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we.
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  Speaker 1: Made it that way there.
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  Speaker 2: But I think most recently was episode ninety six when
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  Speaker 2: we did have the Ruthie. Other than that, we've had Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I just had it all up here. We've had the
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  Speaker 2: Nomi's Travels and the Shark Wrangler, and I think all
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  Speaker 2: the way back in episode six we had their October Fest.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna double the amount of exile beers we've
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  Speaker 2: had on the show just tonight. Hopefully nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm super excited about this one. I figured we can
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  Speaker 2: both start off. I think you just said this. We'll
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  Speaker 2: start off with the Port of Shadows, and then we
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  Speaker 2: can kind of switch it up between the two of us.
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  Speaker 1: We'll branch off and you'll try something different here in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. But let's try this Port of Shadows.
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  Speaker 1: I can already tell it looks dark and it's a
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  Speaker 1: seven percenter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one it's on the higher end of beers.
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  Speaker 2: That as far as abv that we're going to have
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  Speaker 2: on the show really ever, just because we do this
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  Speaker 2: on a weeknight, we both have day jobs. We don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be waking up with headaches if we can
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  Speaker 2: help it.
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  Speaker 1: But that smells great.
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  Speaker 2: So the can art's pretty cool. It's kind of I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe yeah, pirate ship, kind of seafaring vibe.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit nautical.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nautical, that's the word I was looking for. It
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  Speaker 2: says it's a Baltic porter. Yeah, just kind of a
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  Speaker 2: classic can art. Doesn't really say anything else about the beer.
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  Speaker 2: But this this one was not the pack exclusive.
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  Speaker 1: Right, No, no, that's the pills check pills.
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  Speaker 2: But either way, Yeah, really good dark color, really good
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  Speaker 2: head retention, Evan. I'm just more and more impressed by
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  Speaker 2: your pores. You know, some people would say it's a
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  Speaker 2: hard poor. We call it an Austin poor. I call
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  Speaker 2: it the darn good poor. You need to really let
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  Speaker 2: the beer breathe, so it's not a straight up and
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  Speaker 2: down poor.
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  Speaker 1: But that's pretty much how I did it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm excited. You just want to dive right in.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it. Skull. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's a porter's porter. That's that's
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  Speaker 2: really full flavored. It's not too boozy. Some of these porters,
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  Speaker 2: like these darker beers that have higher contents, especially like
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  Speaker 2: bourbon barrel aged ones, they can have that like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: super boozy flavor.
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  Speaker 1: This one doesn't have that. Honestly, I like the maltiness
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  Speaker 1: of it. Like there's just a good kind of that
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  Speaker 1: earthy malty vibe. It's a little chocolatey almost. It's good
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  Speaker 1: and and like roasted, yeah, like like a roasty, toasty vibe.
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  Speaker 2: I keep wanting, I keep thinking that there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be like a vanilla flavor that's going to hit me
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  Speaker 2: on the back end, because usually these porters are vanilla porters,
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  Speaker 2: and you get that really sweet vanilla flavor almost like
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  Speaker 2: after taste, which is fine sometimes, but it's not my biggest,
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  Speaker 2: you know, favorite kind of beer, even though in a
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  Speaker 2: yester year my favorite beer was the Line of Cools
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  Speaker 2: vanilla porter. But that is all that to say, I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad that I'm not getting that vanilla back end flavor.
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  Speaker 2: It's just every good thing about a porter without the
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  Speaker 2: added to sweetness to it. So I like this one
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  Speaker 2: a lot. I'm really really glad that we tried it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm really excited to try the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: exile beers tonight. So good, good job. It's nice to try.
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  Speaker 2: Usually we have the same one throughout the whole episode.
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  Speaker 2: It's nice to break out a little bit. It'll be
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  Speaker 2: fun to mix it up a little bit tonight. And
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings flipped the script. Yeah as well.
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  Speaker 1: First team since nineteen ninety two to get shut out
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  Speaker 1: one and then come back and shut out their opponent
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  Speaker 1: in a win the next week. Yeah, so that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: We were babies the last time that happened ever, And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that the Vikings have ever done it.
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  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, it would have to have been before nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety two. It's just that that's the only stat that
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  Speaker 2: I heard on TV. Yeah, you know, in social media afterwards. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and kind of crazy they got. It's not like they
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  Speaker 2: got shut out three to nothing against the Seahawks. It
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  Speaker 2: was a pretty decent beatdown. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That just reminds me of the Raiders game. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that we watched literally right here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what the game before that was a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago when they shut the Raiders out.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously it wasn't a shutout. We would have heard about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they got beat down pretty good a week ago against
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks, and then this week they gave their own
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  Speaker 2: beatdown to the Commanders and it was really refreshing to see.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and it's funny how you know, we as fans,
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  Speaker 1: we've changed our tune a little bit, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: we are not as all doom and gloom like we
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  Speaker 1: were last week, like you were ready to fire quasi.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still am by the way. Okay, fair one win
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  Speaker 2: does not change the problems that but.
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  Speaker 1: I have I haven't seen the commentary on Twitter or
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  Speaker 1: Facebook nearly as eruptive as it was a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, because it's enough. Yeah, We're not in
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  Speaker 2: the land of deep darkness right now, obviously, I think
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned it earlier the season. While there is a
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  Speaker 2: route to it, I don't think the playoffs are going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. Yeah, things still don't look great.
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  Speaker 1: J J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy just had his best game as a pro and
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  Speaker 2: it was still one hundred and sixty three yards passing
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  Speaker 2: you know, three touchdowns. It was his first professional game
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  Speaker 2: without throwing an interception and he's had more games where
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  Speaker 2: he's thrown two interceptions than only one, So I think
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  Speaker 2: he looked really good. You can say it's because of
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things. Most notably, it seems like the
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  Speaker 2: and this was the narrative heading into the game, seems
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  Speaker 2: like Kevin O'Connell just kind of said, JJ, just go
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  Speaker 2: out there and play. We'll worry about the footwork. We'll
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  Speaker 2: really worry about the technique in the offseason. For right now,
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  Speaker 2: just make the right decisions. And if you do that,
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  Speaker 2: then who cares if it's a duck. If it gets
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  Speaker 2: to the receiver, then that's all you need. Completions are completions.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it seemed to work really well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk roses, thorns, and game balls and we
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  Speaker 1: can unpack whatever else comes to mind.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, I'll start with my rose. My roses
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  Speaker 2: and thorns this year have been more like just feelings,
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  Speaker 2: more about overall of the team rather than just the
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  Speaker 2: one single game. But in this game, it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: true about the feeling of the overall season, and in
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  Speaker 2: this game specifically, my rose is that there's signs of life.
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  Speaker 2: The defense played impeccably. I mean, we still saw a
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  Speaker 2: couple egregious mistackles, but not every third play was a
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  Speaker 2: huge mistackle that really changed the game. We saw some turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: There was a forced fumble that was it Javon Hargrave
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  Speaker 2: that got that. That kind of reminded me of a
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  Speaker 2: fumble that Isaiah Rodgers had earlier in the season where
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  Speaker 2: he kind of like punched it out and went down
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  Speaker 2: with the ball and picked it up. Hargrave, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think gained any yards after that, but he still caused
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  Speaker 2: the fumble, came up, picked it up. Two interceptions. We
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  Speaker 2: finally got a Gink almost pick six, but that screen
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  Speaker 2: passed to Andrew Van Ginggle's side. We finally got that
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  Speaker 2: where he picked it off. He is the classic tip drill,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's so good at those. Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 2: Harry the hitman, he just he got his thirty eighth pick.
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  Speaker 2: I think they said on TV that he has the
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  Speaker 2: most interceptions among all active players, which I think was
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  Speaker 2: still true before that thirty eighth pick. But it only
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  Speaker 2: helps that dude's heading for the Hall of Fame. If
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't get one, then if he doesn't get in
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  Speaker 2: first ballot, then there's something wrong with that process. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: of life, and it feels good and nothing seemed cheap.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, well, yeah, the Commanders kept committing penalties.
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  Speaker 2: I know, Jade Daniels went out, but it all just
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  Speaker 2: it felt like an earned victory and a really good victory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my rose, it's pretty simple. It's a little tongue
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  Speaker 1: in cheek. But there weren't any j J. McCarthy memes
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  Speaker 1: that came out from this game. So that's been like
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  Speaker 1: one of the hardest parts I think about this season
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  Speaker 1: is just watching other people make fun of our team,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, to some extent, we've made fun of
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  Speaker 1: our own team.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's been well earned.
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  Speaker 1: It's played pretty badly in some of these games. But no,
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  Speaker 1: it was a good thing that there really wasn't anything
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  Speaker 1: bad to come out of this game.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's the thing. No loss, no weird
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  Speaker 2: vibes where it's like, well they yeah, they won, but
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  Speaker 2: this sucks about this there's no injuries. I think in
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  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell's press conference today, he usually starts off the
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  Speaker 2: Monday conference saying, like, alright, injury wise, so and so's
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: banged up, so and so's banged up. A couple weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: That's when he dropped the news that JJ McCarthy was
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  Speaker 2: reporting concussion symptoms, which true or not, Say what you want. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He opened his press conference today just kind of talking
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  Speaker 2: about the game and then finished that opening sentence like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: no injuries to talk about. We came away pretty healthy,
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  Speaker 2: so that's always good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Thorns, I'll start us off with thorns. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of hard to come up with anything bad when your
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  Speaker 1: team wins thirty one nothing. And that is not an overstatement.
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  Speaker 1: I think any team that wins thirty one nothing in
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  Speaker 1: this league is doing something right. Yeah. Oh yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the things that other people would
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  Speaker 1: point to, non Vikings fans would point to as well,
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  Speaker 1: the Commanders.
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  Speaker 2: Aren't very good exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And that makes sense. I get it, But you said
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  Speaker 1: it earlier. I'll agree, and I'll piggyback off of that
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  Speaker 1: every day of the week that you know, it's just
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  Speaker 1: a good, get right game. You know, after getting blown
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  Speaker 1: out to your former quarterback on his turf two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: it was good to just get back in the win
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  Speaker 1: column and get a really really good win, albeit against
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  Speaker 1: a bad team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, the Commanders have had their ups and
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  Speaker 2: downs this year. They finished last year losing in the
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  Speaker 2: NFC Championship Game, nothing to complain about. They had the
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  Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year and Jade and Daniels, and of
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  Speaker 2: course that's been the big thing for that team this
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  Speaker 2: year is Jade Daniels has had two long injury stints,
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  Speaker 2: first with was it like a hamstring or knee or
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  Speaker 2: something something earlier in the season, and then most recently,
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  Speaker 2: a handful of weeks ago, he missed quite a few
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  Speaker 2: games with that elbow injury, which ultimately kind of took
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  Speaker 2: him out of this game against the Vikings. Dan Quinn,
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  Speaker 2: the head coach in Washington, did say that Jane Daniels
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  Speaker 2: eventually was cleared to come back and could have come
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  Speaker 2: back in this game, so I wouldn't be too concerned
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  Speaker 2: about him for the long haul. If you're a Commander's fan,
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  Speaker 2: that's somehow listening to us here, But that by that
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  Speaker 2: point that he was cleared to go, it was just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the game was already what it was, and
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  Speaker 2: dan Quinn said, yeah, it was my decision. I just
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  Speaker 2: didn't think it would have been valuable for him to
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  Speaker 2: come back, But yeah, Commander is not great this year.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean I say it all the time. You
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  Speaker 2: can only you know, play against the team that's on
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  Speaker 2: your schedule. So yeah, I'm not saying yes, the Vikings
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  Speaker 2: are the best team in the world now because they
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  Speaker 2: shut a team out thirty one and nothing. I totally know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's just the Commanders, but I mean they only had
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  Speaker 2: the Commanders on the schedule this week, so that's what
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  Speaker 2: they did as best as they could do. Yeah, my
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  Speaker 2: thorn is again more of an overall thought for the team.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, especially during this Commander's game, is that
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  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson he's getting fewer and fewer opportunities each week.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons for that. Most notably, it's
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  Speaker 2: not injury this year. He's healthy, he's out there. It's
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  Speaker 2: the the level of quarterback play. He hasn't really seen
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  Speaker 2: consistent numbers since Carson Wentz, you know, stopped playing, which
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  Speaker 2: you can argue Carson Wentz the best passer on the
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  Speaker 2: team this year, but also the defenses like you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: double and triple cover Justin Jefferson because he's the best
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver in the league. And I'll argue with anybody
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: who argues that argues against that. But either way, whatever
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the reason is valid or not, the outcome is the
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: last handful of weeks, Jefferson has been getting one, two
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: three catches a game and not many yards. And at
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: this point, with four games four games left, he's what
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: almost two hundred less than two hundred yards away from
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: a thousand yard season. But I mean, with it, he
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: has the same statistics in the next four games as
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: he had in the last few. He's not going to
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: hit that thousand yard mark, which again only means so much,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: but it's still an important thing and I'm sure it's
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: something he's thinking about too. With that, you know, he
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: didn't talk to the media after the game last week,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: and he started hearing the rumblings of yeah, hey, they're
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: wasting Justin Jefferson's prime. I think I saw an article
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: on front of the show Dustin Baker's site Vikings Territory
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: that Randy Moss apparently had a quote riating, you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of days like should he Somebody
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: asked Randy Moss should Justin Jefferson look to get out
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: or should he stay? And Randy Moss basically was like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't stay I would not stay. And that's concerning
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to hear from another highly touted Vikings receiver, you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: receiver in Vikings history. So hopefully this all just comes
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: out in the wash. Ultimately, Justin Jefferson has only been
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a consummate pro on the side lines. He's getting super
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: excited whenever anybody does something good, whether or not the
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: ball's going to him. I think he's only ever been
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: a true professional and a true leader and a captain
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: on the team. But it would be nice to see
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: him get another good game. Let's get him do a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: thousand yards at least. That would be something to root
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: for this season.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's been tough to watch him not contribute
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: as much as we're used to watching him contribute. I mean,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the whole life of this podcast, we've watched Justin Jefferson
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: just light up other teams. We watched him make that
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: like once in a lifetime catch against the Bills a
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and plenty of just that. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: think of the like with it, a ninety eight yard
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: catch he made against the Niners last year and made
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: like the defenders run into each other as he just
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: waltzed into the end zone. Yeah, tough to watch a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: guy that be frustrated not be a part of the offense.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: But the silver lining with all of that is that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: he's been the consummate professional. He's held his tongue, he
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: hasn't really lashed out. He's expressed his frustration and he's
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: not the only one to have done that, but he's
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: done it professionally. He's done it really well.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, he's got eight hundred and ten yards
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: right now with four games left, and to compare it
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, when he missed I think seven games,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: he finished with one thoy seventy four yards and five touchdowns.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Right now, he's got eight hundred and ten yards and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: two touchdowns. Granted, you know that season was quarterbacked firstly
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: by Kirk Cousins and then there was a whole carousel
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: after that. Last season he got fifteen hundred and thirty
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: three yards and ten touchdowns with Sam Darnold as his quarterback.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: He's on pace for his least productive season on the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: receiving book. But again, he's he's getting a lot of attention.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: He makes a bigger impact in games than just on
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the stat sheets. So, like I said, hopefully he gets
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to that thousand yards, it would be very nice and
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I think at least keep him happy, especially if JJ starts,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you know, performing well like he did against the Commanders.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Who are you going to give a game ball to?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: From this Commander's game? Uh?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Last week was last week when I didn't give anybody
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: a game ball. I think it was like nobody deserved one.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I think I did like eventually cave and give like
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Ryan Wright a game ball or something like that. But
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: this week there were actually a few, quite a few players.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Harry the hit Man, and this
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: is toward a legacy game ball. He got an interception.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: He there was like two or three straight plays where
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: he just blitzed right off the edge. I tweeted from
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the school Hop account, Harry the blitz Man. So I think,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you know, there are probably other players that statistically are
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: more deserving, or Van Ginkel probably could have earned it more.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy just coming off the adversity and performing I
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: would say, well, but for me in this game, Harrison Smith,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: just because also I don't know how many more games
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I'll get the opportunity to give him a game ball.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, he may only have four more. Yeah, that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: might be.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I don't say that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Well, gotta be realistic here.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: If that's the case, at least we can be glad
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that in a disappointing season, when he could have quit
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and demanded his release and went to a contender or
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: at least a team that could have a better playoff
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: hope than the Vikings do. Right now, we can we
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: can take pride in knowing that Harrison Smith is a
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: true Viking, a true hometown hero, and hasn't quit on
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the team. And that's enough to get a game ball
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I'm gonna give mine to a guy
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about at all. I don't think
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: we've uttered his name in this episode yet.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Oh I know we haven't.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But I think he's deserving because of the thirty one points.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: This man was responsible for twelve of those points. Yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: so you gotta give a game ball to Josh Oliver.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: He I said this because we watched the game together
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: we're at your house, and I said, and I still
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: stand by my word, that he might be the tight
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: end one next year. I could see a scenario. I'm
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: not going to say with any level of certainty, but
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I could see a scenario where TJ. Hawkinson walks. It
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: would be a good money move for the Vikings to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: get TJ off of the books because they owe him
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of money and he might come with a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: somewhat of a hefty dead cap hit. But I think
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: long term it might be beneficial to get TJ. Hawkinson
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: off of the roster. As much as I like the guy,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he just hasn't been very productive. And TJ. Hockinson caught
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a touchdown too in this game.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so TJ Hockinson in the last couple of weeks
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: has you know, he's.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Kind of emerged as JJ's favorite target really, and he
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: caught a few balls from Max Brozmer. Yeah, he's just.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: He's a good, solid, you know, dump off target, or
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: at least that's what he's been the last couple of weeks.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But anyways, Josh Oliver, I think two touchdowns those are
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the only two passes he caught. I mean that's nearly
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: half the offense right there.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, hard to argue with a guy that
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: catches two touchdowns in a game to get the game ball.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I will say Josh Oliver looks like his contract currently
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: goes through twenty twenty eight. I think this offseason they
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: re upped him for a few more years, so through
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight. I didn't realize he's only, at this
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: moment twenty eight years years old. TJ. Hockinson is also
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Oh he's a hair younger twenty eight years old and
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a couple months younger than Josh Oliver. But Hawk's contract
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: as of right now goes through twenty twenty seven. But
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: let's see, there's a there's only it wouldn't be too
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: much of a cap hit to release him after this season,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: so I'm not advocating for it. I like TJ. Hockinson.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I'm an Iowahawkeye fan. I'm a t J. Hockinson fan.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I admit he's not been the same since that Kirby
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Joseph injury. Yeah, that super dirty Kirby Joseph injury hit
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to cause an injury. But I still like him as
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a Viking. He just he does make a lot of
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: money for a guy that hasn't done too much this year.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: We should take a moment and talk about the Guru.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Some hit that zach Ertz took.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, and a lot of people are saying it's dirty
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell in his Monday press conference talked about it
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit today. He said he's got a lot
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: of respect for Zach Ertz. I don't know how you
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: could and he seems like a good dude and definitely
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a really good career so far, which unfortunately could be done.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I think they announced it's probably an ACL tear again.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: The silver lining something I mentioned in the TikTok video
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that I posted was that, as far as you know
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Ertz goes and his injury, his foot wasn't planted in
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: the ground. Yes, it's still tore, it was still awful,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and you don't like to see that, but it would
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: have been ten times worse had his foot been planted
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in the ground with the same hit. I don't know
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Jay Ward. I obviously never met him. I've never heard
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: really anything about him personally, and he's not gotten a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: ton of opportunity to play on the field. He's always
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I think he was like a fifth round pick,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: maybe later a couple of years ago. He's always been
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: on special teams a little bit. I think he's listed
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: as a safety, but he's gotten more run as a
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: quarterback or corner back. With Isaiah Rodgers kind of being
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: up and down. But yeah, the hit, I mean, in
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: slow mo it looks really dirty. You don't like to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: see that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a bang bang play, and I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: don't know that I blame jay Ward for everything. And
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: there's another Viking involved too. I think his jay Ward
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: kind of went above. And then there was another one
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that was kind of under zach Ertz. I forget who
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it was, but it was kind of that classic like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: high low. You know, zach Ertz is literally horizontal for
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: a split second in the air before he comes down.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, it wasn't fun to watch. You
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: feel bad for a guy like zach Ertz who has
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: had a fantastic career in this league. If that's the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: end for him, you know, you feel bad. He stinks.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to pull up the video. It's not working.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's what's going on?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You shopping for knee braces.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I guess that's that's what TikTok apparently wanted me to see. So, yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the rough hit, hopefully it's not dirty. Yeah, I don't
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: think we have enough enough evidence in jay Ward's career
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: to really announce him as a dirty player.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just Cashman that went over the top of him.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Which is crazy because Ertz, Yeah, he jumped pretty high. Anyways.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I just yeah, that's just a tough hit all around.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Like you said, thoughts and prayers for zach Ertz. You
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: hate to see it. Hopefully he's able to come back
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: in the future.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And I would say too, I think if that were
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: a Viking player, we would have been pissed, we would
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: have been mad. And I'm sure there are a bunch
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of Commanders fans out there and maybe even just zach
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Ertz fans out there, who are are mad about that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: That you said it, that play isn't as bad or
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: as egregious as some of the other hits that we've
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: seen players take that give them season ending, sometimes career
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: ending injuries. But no, that was definitely a crazy moment though,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and one that hopefully doesn't happen again. Yeah, we know
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it will because it's the NFL.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: YEP, all right, anything else about this Vikings Commander's game
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that really stood out to you? I really do have
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to give it. It does seem like koc puts some
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: effort into simplifying the game plan. The rushing game really
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: worked out pretty well. I think collectively, what are the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: stats here?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty two yards on the ground, yep,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and a touchdown.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And one hundred and sixty three yards passing, so very balanced.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Three touchdowns will the thrill. He was perfect on the day.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: He had a really close forty five yard field goal
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: which kind of snuck in there right on the edge,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: but it was good. And then he was yet again
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: perfect on extra points. He's yet to miss an extra
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: point in his career. Ryan Right only had to punt
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: one time and it was a forty three yard punt.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Pretty good. Miles Price only returned one kick return and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: it was thirty five yards. Not bad. Yeah. Other than that,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, nothing crazy stands out. It's just a game
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: where it seems like everybody did their job and a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: couple of times the Vikings had to get lucky or not,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: they ended up getting lucky. And yeah, it was really nice.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I did hear towards the end of the game it
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: seemed like the Vikings were kind of pulling some of
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: their starters. Both teams were, but it sounds like Justin
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Jefferson was trying to like hide from from Kevin O'Connell
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: because he didn't want to come out of the game.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: He wanted to keep playing, probably statistically, but you know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: he wanted to still be out there. And I think
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell said, like, yeah, we had to get some
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: assistant coaches involved and like a security guy involved in
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: trying to find Justin Jefferson. So I think that all
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: just goes back to JJ. Justin Jefferson respects that see
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: on his jersey and he wants to be out there
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and he wants to play for the Vikings. And you
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: like to hear that, especially with what I said my
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Thorn was earlier.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: One other guy that I want to point out, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't even this thought did not register
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: in my mind until I read a tweet earlier today.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: But Blake Cashman has just been killing it this year.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Leads the team in tackles by a long shot, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he missed how many games did he miss at the beginning.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And I think it was only like two or three,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: but that's still a significant amount of games. I mean,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So what a guy.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And he's one that I hope the Vikings keep, especially
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: if Flores is coming back. It seems like Flores has
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: his quarterback.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, we've said it at times, we notice
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: when he's not on the field.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, if Flores doesn't leave for some head coaching
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: position and he's the defensive coordinator next year, you hope
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Cashman stays so that that continuity is there.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And Cashman is signed through twenty twenty six, so
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: as of right now, his deal runs, you know, at
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: least one more year. I wouldn't be surprised, especially if
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: for some reason Flores stays, which I could kind of
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: see Flora's kind of staying and he'll eventually get a
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: head coaching opportunity, but he's kind of got that equity
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: now in the time. Sounds like the compensation is there
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: for him in Minnesota that he can be really picky
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and he can just be like, well, I could be
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the head coach of the Titans. That's just one of
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: them that I know is open right now. But maybe
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: that's not good. Maybe I just I'm comfortable here. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: know he's got kids. I don't know their age, if
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: they're you know, young young kids or if they're high schoolers.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: But again, you know, I'm taking way too long to
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: get to my point here. Blake Cashman. He could be
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: one that, you know, if we go through next season,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: if Flores stays next year, and then if he's still here,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Flores may just be like, hey, you need to sign
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Cashman basically for as long as I'm here in Minnesota,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and that'd be a good, good relationship. We've definitely seen
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: that workout so far. All Right, it looks like you
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: are you're heading on to the next beer.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I'm moving on. We also have more glasses, so if
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you want a fresh glass.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Day, No, I have eyes. I should have seen that
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you put that glass right look down right in front
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: of me.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to crack open a gig. This is
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the Dunkle and it's five percent a Dunkle dark Logger.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Should I should I do the same one or should
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: we kind of do different ones for this?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I think we should mix it up. I think you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: should try something different just for fun.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Sweet, So you said you got the Dunkley, I'm gonna
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: go with the Czech pillsner. It's the Clockwork Pills four
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: point eight percent. So we're both going from a seven
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: percent porter to a lighter in flavor and content beer.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm really excited the one. Your porn looks fantastic. Yeah,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: it's it's definitely lighter. It's brown, a little bit of
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: sea through. Noess, it looks great.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: In this football mug, that's for sure. We'll give it
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a shot. Here.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Mine's a pillsner. It's much lighter than even yours, and
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: they're way lighter than that's very right. So this the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: color reminds me of a solid you know, just bud light,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: bud light, and it probably is gonna taste like a
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: much higher quality bud light, something we say all the time.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: And we have a craft pilsner, but I don't think
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I've had this one. Have you had that one before?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I have not? Well, I think the only one in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: this pack I've had is the Ruthie.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Which that is one that we've said is like a
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: high quality, you know, light beer. Yep. But yeah, I'm.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Excited to try these, all right. Beer number two school Skull.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a solid beer.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, mine is. You know what I said, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: thought it would be really nice, light refreshing, just a
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: much higher quality bud light or cores light. You know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: it's in that category. And I'm not mad about this one.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: This is you know a ten out of ten lawnmower beer,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and by that I mean you could have ten of
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: these beers after mowing the lawn. Yeah, really good. Four
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: point eight percent. Yeah, you could have these all night.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Got to get you a lot more with a cup holder,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and then you can have one wildume.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I would need a lawn more with a chair first.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I guess you could put a cup holder of riding
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: or a schmoer, but that could get you need like
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a lid or something. I don't know. I don't have
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the levelist of yards, so i'd be bouncing around either
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: big hills. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: The mine's pretty good too. The Dunkle is still dark
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and it's still kind of got that like multi flavor
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to it, but overall solid beer. I like it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Exile, you're doing a really good job. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: feel like it can be tricky to try to review
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a multi pack of beers, but I think we're doing
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: it right. So I think the next beers we're gonna
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: have after these ones, we're just gonna flip and I'm
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: gonna have the Dunkle and you're gonna have the pills. Yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm excited. I like these ones and.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: The Pilsner is what we said was the multi pack exclusive.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you can only get this one. It's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Clockwork pills check Pilsner in this Exile pack. Nice.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's good.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Unless you go to Exile on Tap. I'm sure they
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: have it there. But let's talk about the Vikings road
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs, because it's still possible. I think, yes,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: they're not going to be eliminated until at least next week.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: But how about this. I'll walk through everything that needs
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to happen and then you tell me how likely you
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: think this is. Okay, so step one, and this is
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: according to who who made this.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: So we have a really nice looking graphic that you
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: found from Bring Me the.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Sports, Bring Me the Sports.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: That's what it is now. It is according to them,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: but it's also just fact as well.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I confirmed it when I found this graphic earlier today.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I went to the NFL Playoff machine and I punched
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: in every scenario that they said needs to go the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Vikings way, and sure enough they were right. It put
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the Vikings as the seventh seed in the playoffs at
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: nine and eight. So, first of all, the Vikings have
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: to win the rest of their games.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Done It's like when they have the greatest comeback in
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: NFL history when Pat Pete was like, hey, guys, we
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: just need five touchdowns. That's all we need. So four games,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: win the next four.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Gotta beat the who is it the Cowboys?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: The Cowboys on Sunday Night, and then they go to
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: New York to play the Giants technically New Jersey, and
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: then on Christmas Day they host the Lions. They'll be
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: wearing their Winter Warrior jerseys, which I like a lot.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I like pretty cool.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And then they play the Packers at home.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: To finish the season. I think December fourth is when
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: that one is January fourth.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So that's step one. Unfortunately, the Vikings do not control
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: their own destiny. They need a lot of help. In fact,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: in Week fifteen, actually every week from now till the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: end of the season, the Vikings need certain things to happen.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: In Week fifteen, the Vikings need the Browns to beat
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the Bears, okay, and they need the Rams to beat
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the Lions. That makes sense. Both divisional foes honestly.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Think they could happen. I'm not saying those are slam
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: dunks either one of them, but.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: The Browns are like that like the Browns are that feisty,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: like we're not making the playoffs. We've been through like
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: three or four quarterbacks this year. Stefanski's probably gonna get fired.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Which is crazy. And if he does, you know what,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: bring him back. I don't care what role he's in,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: if he takes Wes Phillips's role or whatever, or if
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: he comes back again as a QB coach. I want
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Stefanski back. I've got a really close co worker that
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: has been following the Browns all year because he's a
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Shador fan, and he sends me tiktoks and memes all
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the time about how just Shador's coach hates him, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to argue, but Stefanski's a good
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: coach and he's just getting a rod deal in Cleveland.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I think the people his bosses are telling him to
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: do things that he doesn't really want to do. But
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: when it's your boss, you know you can't argue too much.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: But either way, I think Brown's beating the Bears and
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the Rams beating the Lions. They're probably the Rams might
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: be favored over the Lions. I wouldn't think the Browns
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: would be favored over the Bears. But either way it
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: could happen. Both those things could happen.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's week fifteen. Then in Week sixteen, we
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: actually have to be Packers fans for a week. We
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: need the Packers to beat the Bears.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: We just need the Bears to lose. I'll never be
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: a Packer, I'll never root for the Packers, but in
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: the rare cases where we need the team that the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Packers are playing to lose, then that's as far as
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I'll go. I'm in rooting against the Bears that week.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And we need to root against the Lions. They play
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the Steelers in Week sixteen, So too easy.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe Adam Thielen, the quitter, sorry, the wide receiver, can
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: help the Vikings by making his second catch of the year.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Like such a like poetic justice, this type of.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Thing, something like it's something he does puts his old
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: team twice removed into the playoffs. That would be that'd
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: be funny.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Week seventeen. It's even more interesting because these first two
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: weeks really only the Bears and Lions need to be beat,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Like just those two divisional foes need them to be beat.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Whatever Week seventeen, if the all of those scenarios happen
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: through the next two weeks, then all eyes will be
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: on week seventeen. The Commanders need to beat the Cowboys,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks need to beat the Panthers, and the forty
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: nine Ers need to beat the Bears. That's a lot
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: of stuff that needs to go all things, and the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Vikings need to beat the Lions. Yeah, so it's that's crazy.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: That's a lot the other couple of weeks like, Okay,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: maybe I could see it, but he get to week seventeen,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: You're like, if it's going to fall apart, it's going
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: to fall apart there. Yeah, if it hasn't already fallen apart.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it will have fallen apart realistically before then.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And then finally in week eighteen, yes, again the Vikings
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: need to win. They need to beat the Packers, but
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the Lions also need to beat the Bears. So and
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: if you notice in this graphic at the very bottom
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: there's a little asterix, and what does that say plus
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: some bucks and panthers? Help?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Is there?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Is that just in general or is there a spot
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: on this graphic that has a specific asterix? I think
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: that's just just in general.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think the only reason that's
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: on there is because the Bucks and Panthers are in
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the NFC South, and I think are they leading the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: NFC South right now?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: They may just be what's some Well, the Panthers are
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: seven and six right they're tied.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: The Bucks and Panthers are tied for first in the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: NFC South, and the Falcons and Saints have been eliminated,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So the division comes down to those two and the
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: other team, whoever doesn't win the NFC South probably get
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the wild card.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: So kind of with that, I take that to mean,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: you know, whichever won the Panthers or the Bucks like
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: wins this week, then we're just fans of them to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: keep going because if they just kind of mixmatch, then
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that could put the Vikings as even further odd men out.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think it was last year like nobody
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: wanted to win the NFC South. It was the Falcons,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the Saints, and the Bucks and they were all up there.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: The Panthers were like way out of it at this
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: point last year. But I think I said on the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: show at some point around this time last year, like
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: who's gonna win it? Does anybody want to win the
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: NFC South because we were, you know, the Vikings were
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: sitting in second place at fourteen and three behind the
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: fifteen and two Lions, and I think I might have said, like,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: we'll win the NFC South, but give it to us.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I don't care if we're from the North. Give it
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to us. We'll win it. We have a better record.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's if you remember the Vikings having the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: second best record in the NFC was kind of the
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: catalyst of a potential rule change where they said, you know,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't just be seating or it shouldn't just be
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: division standings for the playoff sites, which that ultimately still
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: hasn't gone anywhere, and I don't I'm not advocating for that.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I think if you win your division, whether you win
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it with seven wins or you know, fifteen, if you
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: win your division, that should be enough to earn you
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: a home playoff game.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And in the way the schedules are structured, where you
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: play a home and away game with every team in
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: your division, you have six divisional games every year. If
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: you're going to put that much emphasis on divisional play,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: emphasis emphosis and fossis if you're gonna if you're going
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to prioritize that then, yeah, it should matter at the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: end of the season. Yeah, right, otherwise it's like, well
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: why try in these divisional games?
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But yeah, all that to say, that's a lot
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: of things that need to happen for the Vikings to
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: have hope for and that probably gives the Vikings the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: seventh seed that lasts a playoff spot. Yeah. I mean, hey,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: if that happens, my goodness, I'll be super pumped. I'm
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: not one of these Even if you know they they
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: lose this next game or one thing happens this week
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: to make them eliminated from the playoffs, I'm still rooting
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: for a Vikings win. I mean, I think the only
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: time we talked about this, we actually got to watch
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the game together, most of it we did, But we
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: talked about this when we were watching the Commander's Vikings game,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Like how me personally, I get the idea of like,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: no lose out, get the better draft pick. I can
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: see that logic, Yeah exactly, I can. I can understand
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: how a fan would be thinking that, But I also
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: am a fan and I want to see this team win.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: And nothing's worse than watching the Vikings lose. Ask my
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: wife how my mood is on a Sunday after the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Vikings lose, Like, it's not it's not fun, even if
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I know, like, well, this probably puts them you know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: maybe they would have had the twelfth pick and now
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: they're probably pretty solid on the tenth pick. Like, no,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: that's that's a loser mentality, go go later. But yeah,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I'm still no matter what, every week for the rest
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: of the season gonna be rooting for a win. The
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: only caveat is if it's like the last game of
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the season and it's a difference of like the ninth
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: overall pick or the first overall pick, then I might
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, give us the first pick. If
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: it's one game, it's already totally done. But like, there's
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of things to watch for this season and
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: we can probably touch on that a little bit. But yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's fun that the playoffs are still
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a mathematical thing that could happen, even though it's a
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: it's a house of cards, like it's got a all
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: apart here for one one pass could ruin the rest
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: of the Viking season, And it sucks that it's not
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: just a JJ McCarthy pass. It's a you know, it's
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: a Shadure pass, it's a Caleb Williams pass, it's a
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you know McCarthy. You know, it's it's every team, like,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: has anybody ruin it?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: For the Vikings, it's probably gonna be JJ McCarthy.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I think you could argue he already has. But
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: but anyways.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Let me let me take us slightly offscript for a
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: minute and out of the NFL for a minute, because
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: obviously the Vikings still have a lot to play for
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: even if they don't make the playoffs. It's JJ's development,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it's you know, maybe you do try to strategically not
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: win games to get a draft pick, whatever that is, right,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: or maybe you try to weasele your way in the
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: playoffs and see what you can do and build a
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: ton of confidence in this young kid, you know, by
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: losing in the wild card round or something like that.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but college football, I think we're starting
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: to see a pretty drastic change. And I think the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: list is now at like ten teams or something like
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that that have opted out of playing in a bowl game. Yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: quite a few of them have to do with coaching changes, like, well, hey,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: our coach is leaving, Like Iowa State is close to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: home for us, and Matt Campbell just left this week
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to take the Penn State job. And so Iowa State
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: backed out of the bowl game that they were gonna
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: get to play in. What do you make of that?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: And do you think more and more teams will opt
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: out of bowl games if they don't make the playoffs?
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: So I have a quick thought on it. I'm obviously,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: you know, a very casual. I'm an Iowah Hawkeye fan,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: so you know, I'm more than just you know, aware
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: of the Iowaha gyes. I'm definitely a fan of them,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: But as far as college football as a whole, I'm
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: pretty casual. You know, even if the Hawkeyes get beat
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: fifty to nothing, like I'm gonna for five minutes to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: be like, man, that really sucks. But like, unless they
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: lose the national championship, I'm not going to be super
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: disappointed about a loss, you know what I mean. But
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: my mentality, and it kind of goes back to this
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: whole wanting the Vikings just to win every game, even
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: if you know it hurts their draft stock. Is like
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: if the Hawkeyes were invited to a bowl and they
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: were one of these that opted out for you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I could see opting out for a head coaching change,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: like eh, and we don't really want to go about that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things. But even then that's kind
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: of wishy washy because look at Old Miss. They did
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: they make the playoffs and no, they didn't make the.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think they made the playoffs, but they're definitely
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: going to a bowl game.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: So like and Lane Kiffin is long gone, but I.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Think if if the media is to be believed, if
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: he's to be believed, it seems like he was telling
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: ole Miss like, yeah, hey, I'm going to LSU the opportunity,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: it's great, thank you so much, but I really want
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to finish out the season. And Ole Miss was like, no,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: You're going to not just another school, another SEC school,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: you know, rival school. All that to say, my thought is, hey,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: if you get the honor of being invited to a
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: bowl game, and yes, I know a lot of these
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: are kind of joke game. The Pop Tart Bowl is
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: like a meme game. But if you get the honor
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: of going to a bowl game, like you should accept that. Now, again,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I admit I'm not super knowledgeable on the ins and
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: outs of the business side of college football and how
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: all that works. Ben Lieber. He tweeted eleven hours ago
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: and he said, I applaud Notre Dame, is u KSU,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: which is k State?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: K State?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas State? Or no, is that Kentucky?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: No, it's Kansas State coach retired.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I applaud Notre Dame, is u KSU and
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Baylor for opting out of bowl season. We're in a
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: broken system with a shoddy governing and virtually no rules.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: They don't owe the NCAA or the public anything playing
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: in these games until things change. They should do what's
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: best for them. It's not quote unquote quitting, it's good business.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: So if there's you know, a good business reason or
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: a you know, moral reason, or you know, just we
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: are who we are, a reason to opt out of
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: these games, okay, I would think, you know, for Notre Dame.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I heard that they were offered the Pop Tart Bowl
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to play against I don't even know BYU or somebody
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: like that, and they said no thanks. You would think
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: that'd be a good revenue generator for your school, especially
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Who's don't have to share it with any
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: other team like they're they're not in a conference. Again,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know the ins and outs of all that,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: but I would think it would just make sense to
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: go play in the game. And then for these players,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: what if you're not about to not the running back
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: who could be a Heisman winner and a top five pick,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Like what if you're just somebody who's been on Notre
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Dame for a while and maybe you get a little
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: bit of playing time, but this is gonna be your
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: last game, wouldn't you kind of be disappointed? Like, we'll shoot.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I know it's meaningless, but I want to go play
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: one more time. Like, I don't know, it seems like
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you should go play. But if it makes sense for them,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: it makes sense for them. What about you? What do
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I'm still I'm not a big college football fean either,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: but I watch college football casually every weekend, and I
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: like bowl season a lot, just because I'm home as
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: a teacher.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: It's fun to watch games.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: You just you have something on in the background and
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: we laugh, like, oh, the Gasparilla Bowl or whatever that is,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: and the like tax Slayer Bowl, and you know, all
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: these goofy names, But like, when else are you gonna
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: watch a college football game at two pm on a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon in the middle of December. You're not. You're
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, you're gonna go do something else. But
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I like the college bowl season. I like the bowl system.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Is it perfect, No, it's not perfect. I don't think
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: the twelve team playoff is perfect.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: No, But I like every direction they're going.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they might be headed in the right direction. But
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: every year there's always controversy. I mean, this year, everybody's
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: whining and complaining about Notre Dame not getting in.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well what was us?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame blow? Well, play a better schedule and then
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: maybe you'll get in, you know, And that's definitely in
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: their realm of control. But I don't like opting out
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: of bowl games.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I don't like it for a couple of reasons. One,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: especially now with the NIL system in place, Like that's
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: revenue that you're losing out for your program, and that's
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: less money that you can pay your kids. Like, if
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: we're going to pay these college kids to play football,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: then pay them, and you need to play games to
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: pay them.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Now, I will say not to one up you, and
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I admit I'm not sure if this is true, but
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I think any revenue schools would get from playing in
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: a bowl game.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: It goes to the university.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it goes to the university, but technically the nil dollars.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Have to come from boosters.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: They don't directly come from the university. I think there's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: still some figuring out there, And again I might be wrong.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: One comment or could be like, hey, you're actually an idiot, Austin.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: It goes directly to the university, who can pay the
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: players directly. I don't know. I don't think that's the case,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: but not to totally shut.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Down your point there. Yeah, and it's a fair point
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: to make. And I don't understand the ins and outs
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: of it either, but I would say, you know, I'm
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure if let's say, let's say Iowa goes and
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: plays in their bowl game and they make five million
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: dollars whatever it is, whatever it is, whatever the going
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: rate is to play in a bowl game, they make
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: it that five million dollars, A will probably get invested
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: back into the football program in some way, not necessarily
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: in money to the players, but the facilities, equipment, coaching,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: staff whatever to improve the program. And then number two,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: there's probably a way that some of that five million
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: dollars finds its way into the pockets of the booster club,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: which then ultimately plays the kids. So I think it's doable.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's possible for the revenue from a game
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: like that to come back to the players. And that
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: just comes back to the point of you're robbing these
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: kids not only the opportunity to play football, but opportunities
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: to play in a good program, possibly make some more money.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I think about, and
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: it comes back to kind of my original take on this,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: is it sucks for the fans. Like a lot of
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: these schools have really dedicated fan bases that travel really well.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Iowa travels really well wherever they go, and that's the experience, right,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Like there's some dad that wants to take his twelve
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: year old son to the bowl game that his college,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: his alma mater is playing in, and they opt out,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: and now there's that opportunity gone.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Shoot, you mentioned Iowa travels really well. It seems like
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: no matter what in Farence. As much as I'm ready
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: for Kirk parents to retire and move on, he's he
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: always gets you know, seven eight wins at minimum, which
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: is statistically.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Pretty good consistently.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Because so they always get a bowl and it always
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: ends up being whether it's a high profile bowl, which
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: they've had a few times in Kirk Farrence's career, or
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: you know, not the craziest bowl, it always ends up
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: being in Florida, like Orlando or like the Alamo Bowle
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and Iowa fans travel well. I would bet that there
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: are a lot of Iowa people that live in our
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: community right now that just have like a their year
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: one of their yearly vacations is just like, oh, we're
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: going to the Eye of ball game because it's always
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: in Orlando or somewhere warm, you know, like what they
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: just plan for it. And there's probably families that legit
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: budget because even though they don't know until a few
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: weeks before the game where it is, they just know like,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: all right, oh it's today, they're gonna announce where the
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: bowl game is, so I'm gonna, you know, check it.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And then once they announce, I'm gonna hop on and
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: get flights and get the tickets. And they just it's
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: an automatic thing. And like you said, if your team's
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: not playing in it. That's every team, you know, every
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: team has those fans that are just like I'm automatically going,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: and if you're not playing, then there goes your your
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: chance to see your team play in a ball game.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: You mentioned payouts for these bowl games, and I know
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: we're we are a Vikings podcast listener, I promise, but
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: this is interesting to me. I looked up just payouts
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: for these bowl games, and I looked up IOWA is
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: in the Relya Quest Bowl, and I found an article.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: This one's from fanbuzz dot com from twenty twenty three,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: So all of this is gonna be skewed and not
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: totally accurate, but apparently in twenty twenty three, the payout
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: for teams playing in the Relyaquest Bowl was six point
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: four million dollars now per team. So I kind of
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: looked at the article just because all it says is
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: six point four up. Earlier on in the article it
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: does mention that is the total payout and it split
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: between both conferences that each team. So like in twenty
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: twenty three, the relya Quest Bowl was Wisconsin versus LSU,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: so it seems like the Big Ten got three point
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: two million and the SEC got three point two million,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: and then it was divided out amongst each conference's teams.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I would imagine Wisconsin probably got a little bigger piece
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: of a pie of their three point two million than
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: you know, any other Big Ten team, But sounds like
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: the big the conference's team goes gets half the pot
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: and then splits it amongst the rest of the conference.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: But either way, you think that's a few hundred thousand
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: per team. And if every team gets a bowl game
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: in your conference, like there's there's a big money maker
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: for each team.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: And it makes sense why the Big Twelve has made
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: such a big stink about Kansas State and Iowa State
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: not playing in their bowl games. And I think it
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: sounds like they're gonna find those teams for not playing
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: in the bowl neings because that's revenue that the conference
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: is now losing out on. I guess I didn't even
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: know about like revenue sharing with the conference, but it
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: makes sense, and it makes sense that the Big Twelve
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: would be so opposed to that, like, no, you're gonna
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: play in that game or you're gonna oh us money.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: It's especially kind of crazy because I think earlier on
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: right before the season started. I read something where Iowa
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: State was in not the greatest financial.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've had some financial problems athletic who knows athletic
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: department wise.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Penn State may have paid them out pretty decently, depending
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: on what Matt Campbell's payout was. But yeah, you think
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: conferences would be advocating, like, hey, we advocate for US teams.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: You need to advocate for yourselves and the conference to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: go to these bowl games. But we digress. We have
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: totally derailed this Vikings podcast to talk about a relevant
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: football talker.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a good one and one
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: that I knew. It wasn't on our list of things
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: to talk about, but I wanted to ask you about
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: it because I felt like it was a relevant topic
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: at the time. And I think, I truly think we
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: are seeing we are seeing the very early stages of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: a new college football product then we're used to seeing.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if the bowl system is gonna go
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: away entirely, it'll be interesting. We're just gonna we're just
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: gonna go to these playoff games and that's it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you expand the playoffs enough, then yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: there's there's not gonna be a lot of rooms as
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: long as there's enough space for all the sponsors that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: want to sponsor a game.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Still keep all the sponsors. I'm sure Bad Boy Mowers
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: can sponsor something, and I'm sure Gasparilla whatever, and rely
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: a quest and you know, fill in the blank.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: But who knows, you know, thirty years from now we'll
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: have the skull Hop Bowl game.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Will be on like episode in two thousand and five hundred.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly though, there might eventually be like a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: barstool Bowl game, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: you never know, but we we should probably move on
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: before we talk about kind of quick hits on what
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: we think the rest of the Viking season will look like,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: and then focus on the Sunday night football game against Dallas.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: We just opened new beers here. Yeah, I SWI which
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: we just basically switched. You should put your can up.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: You're you popped open that Pilsner, the pack exclusive. What's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: it called again?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: It is the clockwork pills.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: And yep, and then I opened up the gg Dunkle
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Dunkele and yeah, so Evan, you've taken a sip. What
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: do you think of that Pilsner?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: It's good. It's light, it's refreshing, crisp. This is a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: solid beer. I like it.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, and everything you said I agree with
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: in the best way possible. It's just those beers are
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: hard to get right because there's nothing to hide behind
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: in like happiness or different crazy other flavors. You just
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: have to get it right otherwise you're immediately gonna know
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: an exile obviously does it right. I'd say the same
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: thing about this gg Dunkele. It's a darker flavored beer,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: but still five percent. It's kind of the best of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: both worlds. You could have a handful of these and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: not wake up with a headache, but you're still getting
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: a really full flavored, darkish beer. And everything you said
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: about it earlier I totally agree with. And Exile, my goodness,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: this this is a really good variety pack. I'm one
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: that on a weekend I'll get a variety pack just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: because I don't want the same beer over and over
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: again on Friday and Saturday night. But I haven't had
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: this one yet. I'll be getting this one here in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: the future school school.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I think we may have just set a record for
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: the number of times we scolled in an episode.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: No school school now we did, depends on what you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: count as a school, because if you go back to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: that Raiders Vikings game school after.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: And I have just blacked out there a little bit.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a video that if you if you
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: dig through our YouTube videos enough, you'll find a one
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: to three minute long video of me, both of us,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: reacting to I've in pace getting a game ceiling interception
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: against the Raiders in twenty twenty three.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Didn't we put that on it?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: We might have, Yeah, think we probably did, But I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: kind of freaked out a little bit and I just
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: said skull about twenty five times. You know, it was fun.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: One of the good school hot memories that we have. Evan,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: As we look to the last four games of the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Vikings twenty twenty five season, what other than you know,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: the long shot of making the playoffs, which we'd already
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: touched on, what are you most wanting to see from
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: this team by the end of that Packers game.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: By the end of the Packers game, I want to
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: see at least two more wins. Okay, I think two
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: of four is realistic. I think, honestly, the next two
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: are the most realistic. Of course the Lions and the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Packers are going to be making a big playoff push. Here,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: the Lions are like clinging, They are on life support
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: right now, clinging to hope of playoffs because the Bears
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: and the Backers are so good that it's it's not
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: that the Lions are bad, it's just that these other
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: two teams are better. And they're in third place in
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: the division right now, and I think, what are they seed?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Are they even in the playoff?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I think right now, right now they would miss the playoffs.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Or they might be eight. They might be the first
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: team out. So anyways, you gotta think that Dan Campbell
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: is going to be, you know, preaching, bite some kneecaps
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and you know, getting emotional with the guys in the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: locker room, maybe shedding a few tiers.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: You're exactly right. As of right now, in a Monday,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: December eighth, nine thirty in the evening, they hold the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: eight seed, which would put them on the outside looking in.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Packers hold the number two seed, and the Bears hold
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: the final wild card number seven seeds. So that's how
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: things look as of right now. Obviously it'll change, but yeah,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: the Lions are fighting for their lives right now.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I think the two road games are winnable road games
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: for the Vikings. They go to Dallas Sunday Night football.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: It's indoors and it's Dallas. I mean, that's Dallas. Stephen A. Smith.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: If the Vikings can be the Cowboys, I might try
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: to do a really good stephen A. Smith impression. I might,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I might.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I need a yes or no. I can't. I can't
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: be on the edge of my seat because you've done
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it before and.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: It's it's not something. It's not great, Bob.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Not great, Bob. No. Earlier when I said that's Dallas,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I was making.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: The Office reference. Oh and I forgot that you. I've
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: only watched the first two seasons of the Office, and I.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Thought you hadn't seen any of it.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I've watched some of it. I like The Office,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I just haven't seen it all
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: the way through.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: How do you stop after the second season?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I did well. I started watching it back when Netflix
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't even really a thing. And you have the DVDs
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: and I didn't have DVDs beyond season two, and.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: It's out there. Men. You gotta you gotta watch it.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: You watch random episodes from time to time, but we
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: digress doing that today. I think Dallas is a winnable game.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I think New York is a winnable game. Obviously, UH
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: are a lot of problems with the Giants, but that
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: that that game will be interesting because it's gonna be cold.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: It'll be out, Uh, it'll be out at MetLife Stadium
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: in December. It's gonna be cold, and you know, it'll
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see how JJ McCarthy plays in the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: cold in December, because he might have played one cold
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: weather game, but like one game a year, like their
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: regular season is wrapped up and it's early.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: We could probably ask for front of the fort, who's
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: a die hard Michigan fan. He's got an m tattoo.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he has been to the Big House in
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: cold weather. I think he's told me about that before
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Forrest let us know. Yeah, I mean that's one of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: those I wouldn't be shocked if the Vikings make a
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: point to practice outdoors ahead of that that Giants game.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: And really they already played in Lambeau that that Packer
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: game to end the season that's at us Bank Stadium, right,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: So that is a sneaky thing. I don't think the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Vikings have had any cold weather games this year. We
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: could probably go back, I know in previous year. Is
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: that something that we've talked about. When the schedule has
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: come out, it comed out, God, good grief. When the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: schedule has have another one been released, we talked like,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, no cold weather games this year. It's a foregone.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: We don't even think about that because the season's done anyways.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: So Evan, I guess I missed it. What's your like,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: one key? What do you want I want to see?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I think you said it, but.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think I want to see two wins.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see any more than that, because
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I think that would preserve some draft position. I also
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: think this is maybe a little sinister, maybe a little twisted,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: but I think it would create some really good drama
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: in the rest of the division if the Vikings were
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: just out like okay, like we're just gonna watch you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: all fight to the death with each other, Bears, Packers, Lions,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: and we're not in it anyways, so we're just gonna
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: sit back and laugh. And then when the Packers show
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: up Week eighteen and they're all banged and bruised and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: hurt because they've been fighting tooth and nail to you know,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: get that number one seed or get the you know,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: the divisional crown or whatever from the Bears. You know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: we'll take advantage of that. Sure, So a little sinister,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: a little little sneaky, But two wins, I think that's reasonable.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: And you said, what do I want to see? That's
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what I want to see. I want
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: to see a few more wins. I want to see
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: JJ look comfortable in a few games. I want to
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: see signs of progress that Kevin O'Connell and JJ can
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: co exist together and they can make it work. And
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: then let's let's get a nice draft pick. Let's let's
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: draft a kid, probably a cornerback or corner is somebody
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: that's going to come in and make a difference right away.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Even running back you can make a case for. But
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: that's all talkers. You could, you know, a month from
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: now when the Vikings regular season is officially done and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: we can start looking at the draft.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Anything else, No, you, I want to know you what
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: you think.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: So I genuinely think any combination of zero to four
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: wins definitely could happen. Especially after what we saw and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: I know we're gonna say this yet again tonight it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: was just against the Commanders, but especially after what we
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: saw against the Commanders, where it seemed like Kevin O'Connell
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: was finally like, fine, I don't care about footwork, JJ,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: just go make a good decision, and the defense played
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: well and tackling didn't seem like the reason the Vikings lost.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I think the Vikings realistically could win four, three, two,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: one or zero of these games. You could. The probability
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: is probably similar of any of those outcomes, just because
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: all of these teams, Yeah, we could say up or
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: down the Cowboys, Giants, Lions, and Packers. They're all decent teams,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: especially for the Giants. If Jackson Dart's playing well, if
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Dak's playing well for the Cowboys, and then the Lions
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: and Packers, we know who they are. They're just good teams.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: And whether it's meaningless or not, division games are never easy.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: So I mean, what I want to see. I want
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: to see four wins. That's just you know, if I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: get to choose any of it, let's just win out.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: I don't care what else happens. They're gonna miss the playoffs.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not. We had a whole you know, segment earlier
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: we talked about, you know, how they could make the playoffs,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: and that'd be awesome. I'd be jumping for joy, but
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: be realistically, they're gonna miss the playoffs. But I want
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: to see four wins. And you said you want to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: see some development from JJ McCarthy. Yes, I would want
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: that too, but maybe more importantly for me, I want
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: to see definitively what JJ is. I don't want, you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: two up games and two down games from him where
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, maybe they don't. I want them to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: finish the season knowing, Okay, we've seen everything we need
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: to see. We'll try to fix his footwork, but we
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: know JJ can play football. It might be ugly, but
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: we know he can play football and we can work
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: with it. Or you know, it would be just as
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: valuable to say, like, oh, we've done everything we can
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: and JJ's just not saveable. And if that's the case,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: then they can go into the draft thinking, you know,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: we're not going to rule out the quarterback position, and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: if they get the like ninth overall pick and somehow
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: the best quarterback in the draft falls to them. They
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: can be like, all right, fine, we can't turn this down.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: You know, we're the we're the Falcons of twenty twenty four.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: We can't you know, not pick this guy because he's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: too good. So I want I want four wins, and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I want a definitive plan ahead good or bad with
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: the quarterback position. We need to keep JJ and keep
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: going down that road or we need to move on
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: for sure. Those are my two things. And then I
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: just want, you know, to be entertained good football. Nobody
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: get TJ Hockinson zach Ertz injury where they're out for
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the whole next year, because that would be devastating. Can
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: you imagine if like Justin Jefferson pops his achilles in
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: against the Packers in a blowout game, Like, man, that'd
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: be terrible.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: It would be deflating.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's my wish list, you know, four
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: wins and a definitive plan forward at the quarterback position.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: Wellod zero in on the Dallas game. Quick. Dallas opens
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: as six point favorites at home over under a set
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: at forty eight and a half, so potentially kind of
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: high scoring game.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a you know, twenty eight to twenty one.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: You know, game within a touchdown, especially if Dallas is
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: favored by you know, less than a touchdown, but close to.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: So keys to victory, what do you think?
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, just continuing to see I think while we
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: saw some JJ McCarthy development against the Commanders, it wasn't,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: you know, one hundred percent perfect, but there were some
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: things there. He made some throws and seemed like he
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: was playing a little bit looser and a little bit
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: more patient, ran when he had to, through the good
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: ball when he had to. But I think a part
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: of that is we saw some Kevin O'Connell development. We
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: saw him learn how to not just call a good
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: game for a good quarterback. We saw him learn how
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: to call a good game for his quarterback and not
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: just like, okay, you need to make sure you have
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: your back foot set, or you need to make sure
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: you go one, two, three, and if you know one's
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: not there, go to two. Like I feel like we
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: saw some development and positive development from Kevin O'Connell. So
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: for me, the keys to victory is Kevin O'Connell continuing
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: to learn how to call a good game with a
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: good defense the way he needs to with the quarterback
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: he has right now, and JJ McCarthy.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll piggyback off of that. I think you got
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: to keep things simple for JJ, and I think it
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: was maybe even a little bit of like a running
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: joke this last week for the Vikings team for the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: reportersbody covering the Vikings like Aaron Jones, Justin Jefferson, a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: few other players were noted as saying like, yeah, we've
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: we've dumbed it down. You've watered it down. Yeah, you know,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: And I think for some of those seasoned veterans, it's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: like I think they were probably thinking to themselves, like
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: why did we have to dumb it down so much?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: But you saw it work right to the tune of
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: thirty one to nothing, Like pitching a shutout in the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: NFL is a really hard thing to do. Teams don't
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: do it every week, and there's a reason why it's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: been basically our entire lives where a team has been
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: shut out and then pitched a shut out the following week,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't happen. So I think you got
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: to keep things simple for JJ, and I think the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: key to unlocking that is the run game. You saw
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: it work with Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason. I think
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: this was the Viking's best running game against the Commanders
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: all season long, and it was almost balanced. I think,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: didn't we say that the yardage totals were basically the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: same between running It.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Was like a difference of like ten. I think there
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: were ten more passing yards than there were rushing yards
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: between you a witch total.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Which shows like basically a perfect balance absolute play calls,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and like the Vikings had that like huge nineteen play
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: drive that started on the Commander's two yard line, and
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: even that drive was just really well balanced, and there
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: were some setbacks on that drive. I think there was
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: a couple of sacks on that drive. I think there
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: were a few tackles for loss. But regardless of what happened,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell did not just abandon the run and try to,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: you know, chuck the ball on third and whatever. They
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: just they stayed on schedule, they stayed ahead of the sticks,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: and they got a touchdown out of the deal. That's
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: how you do it. And to your point, Kevin O'Connell
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: called a game for his quarterback, not just a quarterback,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: not just you know this random kid that they took
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: tenth overall in the traft.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't just hey, play you know, play well
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: in my playbook. It was finally, you know, hey, all right,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: it's my playbook. He's not to make it to play
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: well for you.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I saw something too today that said I
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: think it was a tweet that said something like, you know,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell loves his deep down the field bombs, which
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: is great and we've seen a lot of success with that,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: especially with you know, a huge, big name receiver like
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. But the league doesn't necessarily trend that way.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's Alex Lewis, you.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Might be right, ye, and so like, you know, not
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: saying that you have to do everything the way that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: the league does, but if teams are winning games with
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: more of the short yardage dink and dunk crossing routes,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: you know, check down type system, you can't just completely
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: throw the baby out with the bathwater and try to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: do your own thing. Like, if this is how other
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: teams are beating high quality defenses, then beat them, join them.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: And some of it's how like rosters are built and
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: designed now too, because you're seeing defensive ends now, who
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: are you know, six five, two hundred and fifty pounds
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: and they can run like a four five forty, Whereas
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: twenty years ago a defensive end was still kind of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: like a slightly slimmer defensive tackle and they weren't as
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: fast or as you know, slim, and they they are
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: that way because they started scouting and hiring these defensive
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: ends to beat the big, fat, slow offensive tackles who
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: are just big, you know, giants. And now we're also
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: seeing offensive tackles like Brian O'Neil who are slimmer and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: faster and stronger now too. Just to say, like, the
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: game changes in one way and you have to change
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: with it. So I think that's definitely accurate to say
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: KOC needs to and every coach, every good coach, needs
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: to be able to adapt and change, because you know,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Lombardy would not be if he brought his playbook and
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: coaching style to today get blown out. The seventy two
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: Dolphins wouldn't gain ten yards in a game right now,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: just because you know, you can't just pick up, you know,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: one team and go to a different era and play
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: the same way. Couple things for me, I think your
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: point about dumbing down the playbook. It's very true. But
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you gave the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: best NFL team the playbook that the worst high school
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: team uses, right, like just the most simple, like you know,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: I formation running up the middle every play, and they
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: were the best of the best, the best players, the
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: best you know, fastest, biggest, strongest, everything, they would still
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: find success with a playbook like that. It's not just
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: about having the best playbook and the most methodical, mysterious
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: schemes that we see on the Vikings defense where they
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: look like they're gonna blitz, you know, anywhere up to
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: eleven players and then they out of nowhere drop back.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Sometimes if you're just the biggest, fastest, strongest, what do
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: we see with Adrian Peterson all the time teams would
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: run blitz every play against him and he would still
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: get one hundred two hundred yards a game, you know,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: like he was just the biggest fast with him.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a solid point there.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: So I mean, if if it's JJ and you know
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: his his version of biggest, fastest, strongest is just give
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: him a simple playbook. If he's that good in you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: being able to do the simple things. Then let him
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: do those simple things and win games and cash those checks.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Another thing is, uh, it's just kind of an anecdote here. CJ.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Hamm had twenty four offensive snaps against the Commanders. Apparently
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: that's the most offensive snaps he's had since twenty twenty one.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, and lo and behold the Vikings, you know,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: shut out another NFL team, and he picked up a
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: couple of blitzes. And he's a really good blocker, so
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: maybe you should see more ham I don't know.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: He's also the Man of the Year. Yeahk his Man
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: of the Year.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: And it's not the first time he's been the Vikings
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: nominee for the Man of the Year award too. I
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: don't know how many times he has, but I know
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: it's been multiple times. So good for him. A guy
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: that famously you thought could be a sneaky good cut
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: if you go back to the School Hop episode one.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I think that was a topic we talked about about
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: guys that could be cut before the season that was misinformed. Y,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: it's okay, and here he is, you know, just three
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: years later, still on that team, with the most snaps
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: he's had since we've ever been recording this podcast.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: No, I'm happy for him, and man, it's hard to
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: imagine a Vikings team without cjm.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: You know, there was another player that I thought it'd
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: be hard to imagine this team without, and then he
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: quit on the team. And I've tried to allude to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: that a couple of times, and you haven't taken the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: bait tonight.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: But I've learned enough to know that.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Let's just say I'm a big fan of Harrison Smith
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: and c J. Ham and other longtime Vikings that haven't
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: quit on the team.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: How about we make some game predictions, Yeah, some score
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: predictions for Vikings Calkings Cowboys Sunday Night Football.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I'll go first, all right. I think we said the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: over under for this game forty eight. As of right
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: now is forty eight and a half points. The Cowboys
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: are favored by six, which is weird. Usually you see
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: like five and a half for six and a half.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: You know, usually you don't see a nice round number
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: for a team to be favored by. But at least
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: as far as ESPN is concerned. When it opened, it'll
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: probably change. But yeah, at least as of right now,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: the Cowboys are favored by an even six I don't
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: quite believe. You know, I'm not fully on board with
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: everything Vikings wise, even after putting a beat down on
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: a rough team, which the Commanders. They're a bad team
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: this year, but they'll they'll be all right here in
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: the future. I think the Vikings lose this week Sunday
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: night football. The lights are pretty bright. I think it'll
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: be kind of close. I think the Cowboys win twenty
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: eight to twenty four.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I think nine might be done, but no way
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: they He's here and thirty one nothing Vikings.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Wow calling it cow Okay, all right, I'm with you.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: I'd be just as excited as you are if that happens.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to predict it. I almost want to,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: you know, change up our purple punishments rules, but we
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: won't ever do that. But yeah, I'm with you. I
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: want that to happen. I don't think it'll happen.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be awesome?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: It'd be so much that'd be great. I don't think.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think it'll happen either.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: But that's what you're predicting.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: It's a podcast. I can say whatever I want.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm with you. I hope that happens,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: so you're predicting the exact same score as what the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: vikings be. The Commander's precisely. All right, let's go school
• 1:25:17
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• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: I just blacked out. All right, we need to wrap
• 1:25:22
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• 1:25:25
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• 1:25:26
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• 1:25:29
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• 1:25:33
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• 1:25:37
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• 1:25:40
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• 1:25:48
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• 1:25:58
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• 1:26:01
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• 1:26:05
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• 1:26:08
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• 1:26:10
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• 1:26:14
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• 1:26:17
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• 1:26:22
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• 1:26:25
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• 1:26:28
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• 1:26:29
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• 1:26:32
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• 1:26:35
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• 1:26:37
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• 1:26:38
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• 1:26:41
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• 1:26:42
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• 1:26:45
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• 1:26:47
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• 1:26:51
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• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: A few SuDS in the bottom that I'm gonna say
• 1:26:57
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• 1:27:02
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