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Is missing Mollie Tibbetts alive & held hostage near her Iowa hometown? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph. It
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Speaker 1: was summer break. She wasn't even at school. She wasn't
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Speaker 1: really even away from home. She was, according to her computer,
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Speaker 1: at home that evening doing her homework for college. She
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Speaker 1: had the safest job, part time job in the world.
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Speaker 1: She's working at a daycare center as a counselor. What
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Speaker 1: happened to co ed Molly Tibbitts. The reward climbing to
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Speaker 1: nearly four hundred thousand dollars four hundred thousand dollars for
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Speaker 1: information or return of Molly Tibbitts, including to her kidnapper.
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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us in the last hours studying new developments
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Speaker 1: in the search for Molly Tibbets. Listen to this totally speculation.
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Speaker 1: I think someone went to the house that Molly knew
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Speaker 1: or that Molly trusted, and she left with them willingly,
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Speaker 1: and now they're in over their head and they don't
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Speaker 1: know what to do. That is Molly's dad, Rob Tibbots,
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Speaker 1: with a brand new theory emerging on what happened to
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Speaker 1: his daughter. Let's start at the very beginning, so he
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Speaker 1: can analyze what he is saying. Again, the tip line
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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five to one one one one.
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Speaker 1: three Alexis to rest Chuck writer online dot com. It
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Speaker 1: was an ordinary evening. Molly Tibbitts was dog sitting for
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend and his brother at their rural home. One
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Speaker 1: was out of town in debt, the boy friend on
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Speaker 1: his job, the boyfriend brother also away. She goes jogging,
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Speaker 1: She's spotted by a neighbor jogging. Then everything goes radio silent.
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Speaker 1: Let's pick it up right there, Alexis Torres, Chuck. What
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Speaker 1: do we know? We know that Molly was home alone,
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Speaker 1: and in fact, her boyfriend said he got a snapchat
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Speaker 1: from her, which is a video picture. He didn't really
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Speaker 1: look at it, but you know, he said he saw it.
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Speaker 1: He talks to Molly frequently. Then the next morning he
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Speaker 1: sends her text and says, hope you have a good
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Speaker 1: day at work. He doesn't hear from her. Her parents
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Speaker 1: don't hear from her. The daycare calls her parents and says,
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Speaker 1: Molly didn't come to work today, and everybody starts to panic,
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Speaker 1: start calling around, nobody can reach her. They finally called
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Speaker 1: the police and say, we have not heard from our
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Speaker 1: daughter in almost twenty four hours, and that's when the
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Speaker 1: huge man hunt sets out. Her boyfriend says he didn't
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Speaker 1: really pay attention to the video because they do it
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Speaker 1: all the time. He takes a closer look at it.
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Speaker 1: He got it about ten o'clock at night, about ten pm,
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Speaker 1: and he thinks that it was probably inside his house
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Speaker 1: that she sent him that picture from. So the last
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Speaker 1: place that we know where Molly is is inside the
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Speaker 1: home where she was all by herself. But she was
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Speaker 1: taking care of the dogs, these big dogs for him. Guys.
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Speaker 1: A lot of conflicting evidence, but a new theory emerging
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Speaker 1: right now. The conflicting evidence is a neighbor spots her jogging,
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Speaker 1: describing what she had on the works. The dogs belonging
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Speaker 1: to the boyfriend were locked in the basement where she
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Speaker 1: puts them when she jogs and all other times they're
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Speaker 1: out and about. But then the conflicting evidence is that
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Speaker 1: police say she was on her computer doing homework later
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Speaker 1: that night. Are they sure about that? Was she taken
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Speaker 1: when she was jogging? Was she taken out of the home.
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Speaker 1: There's no sign of forced entry or struggle or theft.
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Speaker 1: So what happened right now? The theory emerging from her
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Speaker 1: father and from the FBI claiming they believe Molly Tibbitts
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Speaker 1: is still alive and being held hostage and her captor
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Speaker 1: was among the search crew and attended vigils in her honor.
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Speaker 1: This is a major, major bombshell. Let's go straight out
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Speaker 1: to the lines. Let's go to Karen from Norman, Oklahoma. Hi, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: My question is the working theory right now is that
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Speaker 1: Missy what missing because she left, possibly left with someone
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Speaker 1: she knew. Why is it that somebody she knew? How
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Speaker 1: Come it couldn't be somebody who easily walked in while
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Speaker 1: she was getting ready for the daycare trip and was
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Speaker 1: kind of inside the house already waiting with a gun
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Speaker 1: or a knife. If they have a weapon of some sort,
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Speaker 1: she's not going to fight and they could easily get
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Speaker 1: her out um without disturbing anything. And it looks like
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Speaker 1: she left and she could have already had the dogs
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Speaker 1: blocked up in the basement or wherever, and then she's gone.
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Speaker 1: And my other question is the hog farmer if he
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Speaker 1: didn't do it, could he know somebody who he's in cold,
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Speaker 1: who's I could have and he's covering up for them? Um?
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Speaker 1: Could she be alive and her strategically throwing her shirt
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Speaker 1: out or dropping her shirt through a struggle or something
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Speaker 1: just trying to leave a trail? Um, thank you and UM,
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Speaker 1: I hope hopefully my question detict her too. Karen in Norman, Oklahoma,
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Speaker 1: you're doing what investigators and prosecutors do all day long.
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Speaker 1: When you're stumped, you go back to the evidence and
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Speaker 1: start re evaluating. And your dad on Karen, how do
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Speaker 1: I know someone did not approach her in the home, say,
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Speaker 1: while she was jogging, come into the home to still something,
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Speaker 1: and then take her so the dogs would still be
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Speaker 1: locked up? How do I didn't note that she didn't
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Speaker 1: start her homework and they take her from there having
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Speaker 1: come in while she was jogging as she left the
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Speaker 1: door unlocked. Right now, the FBI is saying Molly Tibbitts
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Speaker 1: is still alive and being held hostage, and this is
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Speaker 1: the real Bobshell in my mind. In addition to that,
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Speaker 1: alexis to rest show Radar Online dot com. What does
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Speaker 1: this mean her captor among the search crews and attended
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Speaker 1: vigils in her honor. They've got to have an idea
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Speaker 1: who they're talking about to be that specific. Alexis law
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Speaker 1: enforcement sources have said, yes, they believe that this person
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Speaker 1: was there and was watching and that they helped in
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Speaker 1: the search. And they actually even said that they think
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Speaker 1: that this case will be wrapped up within ten days.
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Speaker 1: And they haven't said we will find Molly's body. No,
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Speaker 1: they think this case will be wrapped up, which means
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Speaker 1: that they think they know who has her and they
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Speaker 1: are going to be able to find her. But I
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Speaker 1: think that's a really scary thing that this person is
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Speaker 1: so creepy that they would be doing this so sadistic
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Speaker 1: that they would torture her family this way and torture
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Speaker 1: her by going. And they say that it was, you know,
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Speaker 1: somebody that's enjoying the attention of this case and that's
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Speaker 1: why they're coming back. And I think this is something
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Speaker 1: that is very common amongst criminals. I think that Ariel
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Speaker 1: Castro did this fifteen years ago, and so the police
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Speaker 1: are saying they don't want this to be another case
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Speaker 1: like that, so they're very actively searching for this person.
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Speaker 1: To Karen Stark, veteran New York psychologists joining us today
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Speaker 1: from Manhattan, Karen, we read about it, We see TV
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Speaker 1: shows and movies about it, where the perup is carefully
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Speaker 1: watching TV, watching newscasts, reading the newspapers. That's just not
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Speaker 1: drawn like a straw out of a hat. That's real.
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Speaker 1: I have covered many many cases where the follows the
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Speaker 1: search of the investigation online and papers on TV, and
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Speaker 1: they are saying in Molly's case, they believe quote the
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Speaker 1: FBI says, the suspect is hiding in plain sight and
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Speaker 1: has been quote closely following the case. Why, Karen, There's
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Speaker 1: nothing unusual when you talk about a criminal and that
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Speaker 1: kind of behavior. They are very interested in the case
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Speaker 1: because it's a personal involvement. They are getting kicks out
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Speaker 1: of all of this. They're enjoying the attention and they
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Speaker 1: like revisiting all of it being knowing that they have
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Speaker 1: this intense secret that they keep to themselves. So they
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Speaker 1: get a secret joy out of knowing that they are
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Speaker 1: involved in something that they have the answer that nobody
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Speaker 1: else knows. But now they're in a quandary there between
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Speaker 1: a rock and hard spot. If these theories are correct,
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Speaker 1: they got a tiger by the tail. You can't hold
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Speaker 1: on and you can't let go. They've got Molly, if
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Speaker 1: this is true, alive. If they let her live, they'll
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Speaker 1: go to jail for life. Will they kill her and
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Speaker 1: try to destroy the evidence that That is the thing, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that's really surprises me that they're putting this out there,
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Speaker 1: because whoever that person is, it's being warned that they're
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Speaker 1: closing in, and so you wonder if they would take
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Speaker 1: drastic action as a result of that. Every day I
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Speaker 1: feel Molly's presence with me, Um, you know, sometimes I
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Speaker 1: just feel her sitting on my shoulder. And Molly was
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Speaker 1: an incredibly strong young woman, and I don't know that
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Speaker 1: I have the strengthen me, but Molly's lending me her
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Speaker 1: strength every day, every night. And yes I have my
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Speaker 1: moments of complete moltdowns. But it is through this strength
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Speaker 1: that is, somehow, and I don't know how, being bestowed
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Speaker 1: upon me that I am able to get through every morning,
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Speaker 1: every noon, every night. That is Molly Tibbitt's mother begging
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Speaker 1: for the return for her daughter. Is stunding new turn.
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Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, the FBI now
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Speaker 1: suggesting that Molly Tibbitts is still alive being held somewhere
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Speaker 1: somehow by someone she knows, but now that person is
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Speaker 1: in a quadari Should they keep her alive or not?
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Speaker 1: They believe the FBI that she's being held hostage and
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Speaker 1: that her captor was among the search crews and may
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Speaker 1: have attended vigils in Molly's honor. Why what is leading
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Speaker 1: them to this theory? With me? Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Death investigator and Professor
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Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonville State University, New York, Psychologist Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: judge and founder of child Crime Watch dot com. Ashley Wilcot,
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Speaker 1: and Radar Online dot com investigative reporter Alexis terres Chuck,
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Speaker 1: alexis in a nutshell? What is leading them to believe
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Speaker 1: she is alive and being held hostage? The police have
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Speaker 1: spoken with over fifteen hundred people and leaves in this case,
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Speaker 1: and they have been scouring this local area and all
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Speaker 1: the evidence they have, and the source has finally said
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Speaker 1: that they believe that she is still alive and that
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Speaker 1: they are really closing in on this and this it
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Speaker 1: was almost like a warning to a person that's holding Molly.
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Speaker 1: They don't believe that she is dead, and they believe
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Speaker 1: that they're going to find her alive. And this is
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Speaker 1: such a small town, really small community, Brooklyn, Iowa. And
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Speaker 1: they have multiple people that they have spoken with that
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Speaker 1: have given them really credible information. Just got Morgan. Law
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Speaker 1: enforcement sources claim investigators believe Molly's kidnapper among the grieving
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Speaker 1: family and friends at the last vigil. That vigil was
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Speaker 1: at the River Loop Amphitheater in Waterloo. Is the candlelight
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Speaker 1: vigil to bring awareness and in honor of Molly Tibbitts.
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Speaker 1: They believe the purp was in the amphitheater and has
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Speaker 1: been following the case. They are claiming they are looking
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Speaker 1: at single, divorced and widowed men around Brooklyn, Iowa, and
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Speaker 1: they are examining Tibbitts digital foot print, fitbit seal to
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Speaker 1: try and trick her down. But let's go back to
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Speaker 1: what they are saying, Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert way in Hey, you know, Nancy, I think
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Speaker 1: that they're I think that they're on target here as
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Speaker 1: far as those individuals that would be within her circle.
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Speaker 1: But can I put something else out here? Uh? If
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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, they were talking about how she
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Speaker 1: was doing homework online at home. Is that correct? Am
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Speaker 1: I correct in that? Yeah? Well they said that she
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Speaker 1: was doing homework on her computer. Okay, Well, this is
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Speaker 1: one of the things I'm thinking about Nancy, as you know,
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Speaker 1: as you've stated, I'm a college professor as well. If
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Speaker 1: she's in Brooklyn, I'm assuming that she and I think
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Speaker 1: that she's enrolled at the University of Iowa. I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: big assumption here that she might be taking an online
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Speaker 1: class at the University of Iowa. And if that is
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Speaker 1: the case, then that means that she may have been
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Speaker 1: in a discussion group, uh on her class. I do
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Speaker 1: this all the time, where I'm working one on one
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Speaker 1: with students online, and that that kind of opens up
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Speaker 1: this world relative to the people that are aware of her.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll get into discussions about the nature of your
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Speaker 1: life where you are, what you're doing, because you know
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Speaker 1: you're trying to help each other make it through this
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Speaker 1: class altogether. So this kind of expands this out, and
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, I'm wondering how much of this digital signature
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Speaker 1: that they're talking about has to do with her activity
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Speaker 1: online that night. If they were in a discussion group,
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Speaker 1: I'll set these things up so that you have to
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Speaker 1: be in there at a specific time and engage with
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Speaker 1: your classmates. I'm really wondering if people she had other
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Speaker 1: people outside of the Brooklyn area that we're aware that
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Speaker 1: she was at home in a static location. Maybe she
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Speaker 1: shared the information of where she lives. You know, you're right,
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Speaker 1: I don't know whether she was in a chat room
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Speaker 1: or not. Regarding school, like you're saying, a you know,
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Speaker 1: when you have a an organized conference call, it's like
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Speaker 1: that where the students get together, but they don't have
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Speaker 1: to be physically together. Also, every and another bombshell, we're
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Speaker 1: learning that investigators are looking at five specific locations, including
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Speaker 1: a car wash and a truck stop. Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge,
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Speaker 1: founder of child Crime watch dot com. I can't go
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Speaker 1: to a car wash anymore without being on camera, much
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Speaker 1: less a truck stop. Are you kidding me? So what
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Speaker 1: does this mean? Authorities have just released a map Ashley
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Speaker 1: highlighting five areas, including a car wash located a block
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Speaker 1: away from the city's main commercial strip. And a truck
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Speaker 1: stop next to the interstate. The other highlighted spots are
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Speaker 1: near Tibbitt's boyfriend home where she was staying into very
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Speaker 1: very lightly populated areas of farmland only achievable accessible by
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Speaker 1: dirt Rhodes. So I know there's five specific spots they're
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Speaker 1: looking at right now, Ashley. But I'm blown away by
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Speaker 1: the fact that they are coming out and saying they
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Speaker 1: think that the kidnapper knows hard. That could mean anything.
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Speaker 1: I will never forget, Ashley. Uh. When I was a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: I broke down and bought a house boy with this
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Speaker 1: got disaster. I couldn't afford it, you know. I just
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Speaker 1: was eating a cup of soup and rama noodles every day,
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Speaker 1: trying to sneak into the jury cafeteria so I could
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Speaker 1: get a cup of soup for nine cents. Anyway, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad I got rid of that. It was like a
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Speaker 1: stone around my neck. But in order to sell it,
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Speaker 1: I was painting it and doing all these home improvements
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Speaker 1: myself at night. I finally got a painter. I was
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Speaker 1: very friendly to him. I mean it seemed like a
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Speaker 1: nice guy. Mary with Sheldon one day one morning before
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Speaker 1: I went to work, Ashley. He comes over to ain't it,
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Speaker 1: puts me in a bear hug and kisses me in
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Speaker 1: the mouth. Ashley, Well, needless to say, I got to
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Speaker 1: that house out of that house as fast as I could, okay,
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Speaker 1: And I did the rest of my painting all on
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Speaker 1: my own after that day. Can I just say that?
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Speaker 1: But when I think back on that moment, this guy
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Speaker 1: had to weigh two pounds, and I kept thinking, Wow,
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Speaker 1: what did I do to suggest to him it was
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Speaker 1: okay to kiss me in the mouth and hug me?
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Speaker 1: But you know what, I had greeted him occasionally with
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Speaker 1: a light hug or hello and a cheery hello, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't think anything about it. Boy, was I wrong.
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Speaker 1: So when they say it's somebody she knows, it could
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Speaker 1: be somebody you know, you know, like a painter or
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Speaker 1: a delivery guy, somebody that you've run into at the
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Speaker 1: car wash. Ashley, Yeah, it could be any bunny. So statistically,
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Speaker 1: most often or the majority of the time, these kinds
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Speaker 1: of crimes are committed by somebody that they do know,
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Speaker 1: that we do know, and not by complete strangers. So
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Speaker 1: there's a good reason to believe that perhaps this is
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Speaker 1: someone that she knew or does know. I had to
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Speaker 1: go back Nancy Tier caller who said, what about the
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Speaker 1: fact that if they had a weapon, or it's someone
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Speaker 1: they know, that they easily could have gotten her to
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Speaker 1: leave the house, and then later she left a red shirt,
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Speaker 1: perhaps as a trail. I don't believe that to be true.
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Speaker 1: I believe that even if they have a weapon, even
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Speaker 1: if it's someone you know, like this horrible painter that
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Speaker 1: you had in your house, that you are going to
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Speaker 1: do something to let someone know. You may not chairs
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Speaker 1: over on your way by. You may flail all a
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Speaker 1: little bit soon, knock things around in the house. But
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Speaker 1: from all accounts, law enforcement has said there was nothing
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Speaker 1: disrupted in that house. And so I do believe that
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Speaker 1: someone she knew, and I do believe that she left,
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Speaker 1: And I do believe that law enforcement has all kinds
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Speaker 1: of information that not surprisingly they've not released, that indicates
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Speaker 1: to them enough to say we think we know and
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Speaker 1: someone has her and has kidnapped her and is involved
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Speaker 1: in following her cap Yeah, that's very bold to come
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Speaker 1: out with that theory. Ask can I agree with you?
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Speaker 1: I don't think she dropped the shirt out in the
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Speaker 1: Jack is living in a nightmare. I figured i'd speak
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Speaker 1: to her in that hour or so. The last time
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Speaker 1: the twenty year old saw Molly was on Wednesday at
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Speaker 1: ten pm when he opened a snapchat from her. It
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Speaker 1: was just a selfie with the caption and I don't
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Speaker 1: remember what the caption said, but it looked like she
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Speaker 1: was inside. He never thought he wouldn't hear from her again.
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Speaker 1: When he said her early Thursday morning, he didn't notice
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Speaker 1: the message hadn't been read until her friend called late
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Speaker 1: that afternoon. One of her co workers called me, said,
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Speaker 1: Molly had not called in to work that day and
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Speaker 1: she hadn't showed up. And then I looked at the
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Speaker 1: messages and she hadn't opened or read any of them.
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Speaker 1: So I started getting in contact with her friends and
22:09
Speaker 1: her family, saying, hey, have you seen her? Have you
22:11
Speaker 1: heard from her? And everybody came up with the same thing. No,
22:14
Speaker 1: I haven't seen her since yesterday. Sweet, I've never seen
22:18
Speaker 1: her be angry or mean to anybody in the almost
22:22
Speaker 1: three years that we've been dating. To not know where
22:25
Speaker 1: she is is unsettling, and he's gone numb. If this
22:28
Speaker 1: is her running off, this is just nobody were seen coming.
22:33
Speaker 1: Nobody in nobody in the world, not her family, not me.
22:37
Speaker 1: Nobody would have ever guessed that she would just take
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Speaker 1: off and not tell anybody while law enforcement continued to
22:42
Speaker 1: search for her. There's just one thing he wants Molly
22:45
Speaker 1: to know I missed you so much, and you are
22:49
Speaker 1: hearing Molly's longtime sweetheart Dalton Jack speaking to our friend
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Speaker 1: Angelina Sellsito at w o I t V five in
22:58
Speaker 1: Des Moines, trying to go over and over the facts
23:03
Speaker 1: like a Rubik's cube to put them together. We are
23:07
Speaker 1: taking your calls nine crime. Let's go straight out to
23:10
Speaker 1: New Jersey. Hi, New Jersey. What's your question wondering? You know,
23:15
Speaker 1: based on what Molly's father said that he thinks that
23:18
Speaker 1: she's being held by somebody should know. Couldn't Nancy go
23:22
Speaker 1: on public TV after consulting with the FBI so it
23:25
Speaker 1: doesn't interfere with an investigation, an offer to provide a
23:30
Speaker 1: defense for this individual upon the safe return of Molly.
23:34
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if that's something a lawyer
23:36
Speaker 1: can do, or if it's something that might work in
23:39
Speaker 1: order to order to get this girl home to a
23:41
Speaker 1: family face. Anyhow, it was just a thought. Something came
23:45
Speaker 1: to my mind, as we all anybody who's had children
23:49
Speaker 1: who's been thinking about Molly. Actually, that's a brilliant idea,
23:53
Speaker 1: Alexis Terres, writer online dot com. She is suggesting our
23:58
Speaker 1: call from New Jersey for a lawyer to go on
24:03
Speaker 1: public TV or to go on TV and offer to
24:06
Speaker 1: help the person with their defense if they will bring
24:12
Speaker 1: Molly back. I think it's it's brilliant. As a matter
24:16
Speaker 1: of fact, Jackie Howard and Alan Duke, let's put that
24:22
Speaker 1: on crime online dot Com today, that there are lawyers
24:28
Speaker 1: to help him if he will bring her home safely.
24:32
Speaker 1: Let's put it out there because there are lawyers that
24:35
Speaker 1: will help him for free to bring her home safely.
24:39
Speaker 1: This is not a death penalty case yet. It's not yet.
24:46
Speaker 1: And I've seen many many times Alexa Alexis to reds
24:49
Speaker 1: check waiter online dot com where purpose have been given
24:54
Speaker 1: leniency if they bring the victim home. Of wants that
25:00
Speaker 1: anybody wants law enforce at once, and so they are
25:02
Speaker 1: trying their best to do to make it as specific
25:05
Speaker 1: as possible. The way that the police have released these
25:08
Speaker 1: five points, they're they're really zeroing in on the area,
25:12
Speaker 1: letting these people know we know where this happened. They've
25:14
Speaker 1: they've played this so close to the chest with releasing
25:17
Speaker 1: very little information. And so now that we know that
25:20
Speaker 1: they are zeroing in on someone and the fact that
25:24
Speaker 1: this person was at this vigilant that they have been
25:26
Speaker 1: watching this. They're they're really letting people know we know
25:29
Speaker 1: who you are. So yes, a defense attorney could really
25:32
Speaker 1: be maybe the one more thing that would help this
25:35
Speaker 1: person let Molly go. Well here also, we we've got
25:38
Speaker 1: the bizarre well it's not bizarre, but unusual tactic um
25:44
Speaker 1: crime Stoppers representatives telling the kidnapper that the kidnapper can
25:50
Speaker 1: actually claim the four hundred thousand dollar reward. Listen, trying
25:56
Speaker 1: to shake the treat we want saw me to come
26:00
Speaker 1: or even if they're even if it's not real, at
26:02
Speaker 1: least it started a conversation with somebody. Um, somebody might
26:07
Speaker 1: know uh that there she's being held by somebody, but
26:10
Speaker 1: would never say anything because if they've said something, they
26:13
Speaker 1: may think that reciprocity or their life might be in danger.
26:16
Speaker 1: We can guarantee that whoever gives this information up uh,
26:20
Speaker 1: their identity will be protected. When they put in the tip,
26:23
Speaker 1: they get a random number that matches that tip. So
26:26
Speaker 1: if you're one, two, three, four, five that have to
26:28
Speaker 1: contact us back and say, hey, I saw in the media. Well,
26:31
Speaker 1: in this case, if they got them, if they got Molly,
26:34
Speaker 1: they're calling and say hey, I see there's a reward.
26:37
Speaker 1: I want to let her go, and then then that
26:39
Speaker 1: negotiation will be done with the law enforcement and whole
26:42
Speaker 1: a whole new dynamic will come into play. And we
26:44
Speaker 1: hope that dynamic comes into play. That's why we're doing
26:47
Speaker 1: what we're doing, hope for Molly Tibbett's family. Now, as
26:51
Speaker 1: sources within the investigation claim investigators believe Molly is still alive.
26:59
Speaker 1: That defies the odds to Ashley Wilcott judge and found
27:04
Speaker 1: her a child crime watch dot Com. Molly Tibbitt's father
27:10
Speaker 1: agrees and believes his daughter is has been taken by
27:14
Speaker 1: someone that she knows. Yeah, so Nancy upset from the
27:18
Speaker 1: beginning in this case. I have felt the same in
27:20
Speaker 1: my gut, which is she's okay in terms of alive.
27:24
Speaker 1: And I think that he feels that. But be I
27:27
Speaker 1: think he knows more information than than we are hearing
27:30
Speaker 1: through reports or maybe he's at the law enforcement. He
27:33
Speaker 1: can't share the rest of it. But for him to
27:35
Speaker 1: make such a bold statement, I again feel like there's
27:38
Speaker 1: more information that we don't know. That it's not just
27:40
Speaker 1: this gut that he has reason to believe that he
27:43
Speaker 1: knows or knows who might have done it, that she's
27:45
Speaker 1: actually alive. There's a lot more to the story. What
27:48
Speaker 1: kind of a weirdo Joe Scott Morgan takes the girl
27:52
Speaker 1: and then goes to the searches, is around her family
27:57
Speaker 1: and goes to the vigil like the one of the
27:59
Speaker 1: Amphith theater. I mean, does the FBI know and they're
28:03
Speaker 1: watching him? If they know who he is, why not
28:05
Speaker 1: arrest him? I think that they releasing info to see
28:08
Speaker 1: what he does. Yeah, that's my thought. I think that
28:10
Speaker 1: they know more than they're saying. As as many of
28:13
Speaker 1: our colleagues have stated already, I think that, you know,
28:16
Speaker 1: and again I don't want to uh, you know, step
28:19
Speaker 1: on Karen's toes here, but I think that that you're
28:22
Speaker 1: dealing with somebody that is, you know, either a real
28:26
Speaker 1: uh deviant, uh probably from a sexual standpoint, or somebody
28:31
Speaker 1: that's a total sociopath, and I don't you know, uh,
28:35
Speaker 1: and they're incapable of feeling any kind of compassion, but
28:41
Speaker 1: they're they're enjoying playing around, you know, with the cops here. Uh.
28:46
Speaker 1: You know, they've kind of got everybody on a string
28:48
Speaker 1: right now, and that that makes this doubly uh terrifying,
28:52
Speaker 1: doesn't it? Particularly you know as a parent, you know
28:55
Speaker 1: you're watching suffering in real time, that these uh that
28:59
Speaker 1: that these parents having to endure through all of this.
29:01
Speaker 1: I think the dad knows more than he's letting letting
29:05
Speaker 1: out right now. I don't mean that in a farious way.
29:08
Speaker 1: I think that he's he's aware of other circumstances. Let's
29:13
Speaker 1: keep in mind, y'all, this is a very very tiny
29:16
Speaker 1: area that we're talking about as far as population goes.
29:20
Speaker 1: People are going to run into one another in an
29:23
Speaker 1: area that's less than fifteen hundred in population. Somebody knows
29:27
Speaker 1: something out there, somebody, I agree, somebody knows something, But
29:32
Speaker 1: are they going to come forward? Four hundred thousand dollars
29:35
Speaker 1: is a pretty hefty incentive right now, Cops saying from
29:40
Speaker 1: with inside the investigation, we learned they believe Molly Tibbitts
29:44
Speaker 1: is still alive, which is statistically unheard of, and that
29:49
Speaker 1: her captor has been attending the vigils and watching the
29:53
Speaker 1: family as they suffer swinging in the wind. And they
29:57
Speaker 1: the cops are refusing to explore Lane their former focus
30:02
Speaker 1: on a local pig farmer. As a matter of fact,
30:05
Speaker 1: take a listen to that Brooklyn, Iowa hog farmer Wayne
30:09
Speaker 1: Cheney talking to our friends at w What the what
30:14
Speaker 1: has it been like? Uh? These last you know, a
30:17
Speaker 1: few weeks. Take me through what the community has been
30:21
Speaker 1: going through. What you've been seeing the activity. I haven't
30:24
Speaker 1: really seen much, so I really don't know what's going on.
30:27
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have no idea what they're doing.
30:31
Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal. What's been the I guess
30:34
Speaker 1: the hardest part? What say? I can't find her? Um?
30:39
Speaker 1: How does that that's been impacting you even though you
30:42
Speaker 1: don't even know? You know the person? Right? No, but
30:45
Speaker 1: I don't know her? Um? What's that like? Not knowing
30:48
Speaker 1: someone being frustrating about their situation? Oh? I don't know.
30:54
Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal. We believe that Molly is
30:57
Speaker 1: still alive, and if someone has a acted her, we
31:01
Speaker 1: are pleading with you to please release her. It is
31:04
Speaker 1: our greatest hope that if someone has her, that they
31:08
Speaker 1: would just release her and claim that money that we
31:11
Speaker 1: have raised for her freedom. That is Molly's mother speaking out,
31:16
Speaker 1: begging her kidnap her to bring Molly home. At first,
31:19
Speaker 1: I thought it was wishful thinking that the parents, the
31:22
Speaker 1: family the boyfriend. We're hoping that somebody has not been found,
31:27
Speaker 1: that Molly was being held and is still alive, and
31:30
Speaker 1: that broke my heart. But now, in a bizarre turn
31:34
Speaker 1: in the case, the FBI announcing well, actually this is
31:38
Speaker 1: coming from sources within law enforcement. They didn't make an
31:41
Speaker 1: announcement of sorts that the fans believe that Molly is
31:46
Speaker 1: still alive being held by someone that knows her, not
31:51
Speaker 1: necessarily an ex boyfriend or a close friend, but someone
31:56
Speaker 1: that she has come in contact with. Not only that,
32:00
Speaker 1: they're looking at specific spots, a truck stop, a car wash.
32:04
Speaker 1: Who would she have encountered at these spots? We are
32:08
Speaker 1: taking your calls nine nine four nine Crime nine four
32:12
Speaker 1: two seven four six three This at all Crime Injustice
32:16
Speaker 1: updates on crime online dot com. Out to the lines. Joe, Hi, Joe,
32:21
Speaker 1: what's your question? Uh, Well, it's curious that if she
32:25
Speaker 1: had returned home to the to the apartment she shared
32:30
Speaker 1: with her boyfriend. If she had returned home, wouldn't she
32:33
Speaker 1: have released the dogs which were locked in the basement.
32:36
Speaker 1: Wouldn't she have done that? And it's curious that they
32:40
Speaker 1: were found still locked in the basement, So it may
32:42
Speaker 1: very well be that she never returned home, never returned
32:46
Speaker 1: to the apartment. That is a working theory. You're absolutely right.
32:50
Speaker 1: The dogs are locked in the basement, which is where
32:53
Speaker 1: she traditionally puts them when she goes jogging when she
32:56
Speaker 1: comes home. Actually it's not at home. She's sharing with
32:59
Speaker 1: her boyfriend. It's not really her home at all. She
33:02
Speaker 1: was dog sitting while the boyfriend was working in Dubuque,
33:05
Speaker 1: and the boyfriend's a brother was out of town as well.
33:09
Speaker 1: His wedding has been postponed during the search for Molly.
33:12
Speaker 1: A destination wedding to Dominican Republic have been planned that
33:16
Speaker 1: was postponed until this case is resolved. The fact that
33:19
Speaker 1: the dogs were still locked up For all we know,
33:22
Speaker 1: she was going to leave again, or as she got
33:26
Speaker 1: back home someone knocked on the door, someone lured her outside.
33:32
Speaker 1: Just yesterday on crime online dot Com, we covered a
33:35
Speaker 1: case where a fourteen year old girl went to empty
33:37
Speaker 1: the trash and went missing. How do I know she
33:41
Speaker 1: didn't go out to empty the trash or answer the door.
33:44
Speaker 1: That would explain why there was no forced entry. But
33:46
Speaker 1: you're right on the facts. To Joe Scott Morgan, Professor
33:51
Speaker 1: of Forensics, Jacksonville State University. You have a theory as well. Well,
33:56
Speaker 1: it's not so much a theory as as more of
33:57
Speaker 1: a kind of an observation RelA tip to what they're
34:00
Speaker 1: putting forward. If she is in fact still alive, and
34:03
Speaker 1: this is it, Nancy. If if someone is has taken
34:07
Speaker 1: responsibility for her, that means they've taken responsibility for her welfare.
34:12
Speaker 1: This is an overwhelming, uh, undertaking for this individual. They're
34:18
Speaker 1: going to have to provide a place for her, and
34:21
Speaker 1: not just a place, a place that is sequestered out
34:24
Speaker 1: of view from everyone else, that's probably soundproof, someplace where
34:28
Speaker 1: they can keep her restrained. Not only that, they have
34:30
Speaker 1: to take care of her basic needs that is food,
34:34
Speaker 1: restroom facilities, all of these sorts of other things. It
34:37
Speaker 1: is an absolute logistical nightmare. It is something in my opinion,
34:41
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, let's think it through.
34:44
Speaker 1: If someone is holding her captive. And here's another thing,
34:47
Speaker 1: but remind me to come back to this thought. If
34:49
Speaker 1: someone's holding her captive, what would neighbors, friends, co workers
34:53
Speaker 1: be noticing about that person? If anything? Uh, here's something
34:58
Speaker 1: new I just saw in the last hours a post
35:03
Speaker 1: from a group of let's see one, two, three, four,
35:05
Speaker 1: five of Molly's friends on Facebook and they state, Molly,
35:09
Speaker 1: your friends and I we're missing you tonight. We shared
35:13
Speaker 1: pizza and salad. Yes we toss the sala with cilancho
35:16
Speaker 1: avocado dressing. That must be her favorite. We want you
35:20
Speaker 1: to know our love is deep as the road is long.
35:23
Speaker 1: It moves our feet to carry on and beats our
35:26
Speaker 1: hearts too, carry on and beats our hearts to while
35:30
Speaker 1: you are gone. We live each day and do what
35:33
Speaker 1: we can. Hurry home and they pose for a picture
35:38
Speaker 1: as if they think Molly can see it. So it's
35:43
Speaker 1: not just her father, it's not just a source within
35:46
Speaker 1: law enforcement. It's also her friends seemingly believe Molly is
35:51
Speaker 1: being held alive and being held captive. Let's put our
35:55
Speaker 1: heads together, Jackie Alan, Alexis, Ashley care and Joe Scott.
36:01
Speaker 1: What would this person be transmitting? What would other people
36:05
Speaker 1: notice about the kidnapper that would be unusual? Well, for
36:09
Speaker 1: one thing, scratches on the face, arms, hands, maybe missing work,
36:16
Speaker 1: unusual behavior um leaving the office or leaving the job,
36:22
Speaker 1: not reporting, Joe Scott Morgan. If that person is out
36:25
Speaker 1: there holding Molly as law enforcement is suggesting. According to
36:29
Speaker 1: a source, someone attending the vigils and watching the family, Um,
36:36
Speaker 1: Jackie's saying, unusual purchases for a man. That's what I
36:40
Speaker 1: was thinking as well. Yeah, anything that goes to to
36:45
Speaker 1: the needs that someone would have, as far as you know,
36:49
Speaker 1: I don't know, throwing us out there, feminine hygiene stuff,
36:52
Speaker 1: stuff that is uh easily prepared, easily prepared meals, uh,
36:58
Speaker 1: basic things just like uh, not just toiletries, but things
37:02
Speaker 1: like blankets, pillows, anything that's odd and and it might
37:05
Speaker 1: be a day to day thing. I'd also like to
37:08
Speaker 1: know if if this young lady was on any kind
37:10
Speaker 1: of medication specifically that would require her to receive any
37:14
Speaker 1: kind of special care. What about this? Wait a minute,
37:17
Speaker 1: what a minute? What about this Alexis RuSHA. Let's look
37:20
Speaker 1: at this f Facebook post, start to say, FB just
37:24
Speaker 1: got Karen Ashley. They're saying, we toss the salad with
37:29
Speaker 1: cilantro avocado dressing we ordered. We heard pizza and salad
37:36
Speaker 1: are those are favorite things? Has somebody been ordering that?
37:40
Speaker 1: Has somebody picked that up at the store. I know
37:44
Speaker 1: I'm grasping for straws, but I mean, you gotta go
37:46
Speaker 1: somewhere Alexis Torres Chuck, and that's what her friends are sending.
37:51
Speaker 1: It seems a message to her that if you are
37:53
Speaker 1: with somebody, then please come home. If you think you're
37:58
Speaker 1: in over your head, you're not. People don't care. They
38:00
Speaker 1: just want you to come home. And someone in law
38:02
Speaker 1: enforcement in another town when I had spoken with there
38:05
Speaker 1: had been a potential sighting of Molly, you know, three
38:10
Speaker 1: miles away, and I spoke with the law enforcement there
38:12
Speaker 1: and they said, you know, they really didn't think it
38:14
Speaker 1: was Molly. But that police officer said to me, you know,
38:16
Speaker 1: are there any men missing in this town or any
38:19
Speaker 1: men that she knows that are missing too, speculating that
38:23
Speaker 1: perhaps she had run away with some which I think
38:26
Speaker 1: this girl seems so loved and so close to her boyfriend,
38:28
Speaker 1: her family that probably is not the case. But perhaps
38:31
Speaker 1: it is somebody that they so people should be aware of.
38:34
Speaker 1: Is there someone who's missing who you haven't seen in
38:36
Speaker 1: a while, somebody missing, or somebody missing from work, somebody
38:41
Speaker 1: maintaining a facade of normalcy. But they're leaving it lunchtime,
38:45
Speaker 1: they're coming in late. They aren't seen at their usual
38:48
Speaker 1: spots like bowling or choir practice, or whatever they normally
38:54
Speaker 1: do shooting range. I don't know who is this person.
39:00
Speaker 1: This person is within that community. We are taking your
39:04
Speaker 1: calls and nine four nine crime as the reward climbs
39:07
Speaker 1: to four hundred thousand dollars, that tip line eight five
39:12
Speaker 1: to one one listen. Hope is she comes home safe.
39:16
Speaker 1: It's what we've been praying for. It is what everyone's
39:18
Speaker 1: been praying for. And we uh, yeah, just that she's
39:22
Speaker 1: out there and she's okay, that she's gonna be with
39:25
Speaker 1: us very soon. Molly has the biggest heart of anyone
39:30
Speaker 1: we know. She's a friend to everyone who has never
39:34
Speaker 1: shy to go meet someone and become their friend. To
39:36
Speaker 1: everyone she talked to, she became a friend. She just
39:40
Speaker 1: shed had room in her heart for everyone. We've you know,
39:43
Speaker 1: we've gone through stages is scared and said, and now
39:46
Speaker 1: we're just anxious and confused. But the support we've gotten
39:50
Speaker 1: from the community, from the from the town of Brooklyn
39:54
Speaker 1: and surrounding areas has just been amazing. You know, her friends,
39:59
Speaker 1: friends of her friends or friends families, it's just it's
40:02
Speaker 1: amazing to see how much she meant to a lot
40:04
Speaker 1: of people. Molly's brother begging for her return. The police
40:08
Speaker 1: theory now Molly is alive and being held kidnapped, but
40:14
Speaker 1: how long can that last? The clock is ticking. Tipline
40:20
Speaker 1: four or five to one, one one one. Wherever you are,
40:25
Speaker 1: whoever you are, please bring Molly home