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Spencer Pratt, Oscars and Ruby Franke · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 5: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 5: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 6: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. You guys, I have
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  Speaker 6: such a packed show for you. I'm gonna cover the
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  Speaker 6: Oscars and then I'm gonna talk to Spencer Pratt. He's
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  Speaker 6: gonna give us the latest of everything that's going on.
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  Speaker 6: And then I also have a great interview that I
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  Speaker 6: recorded a couple weeks ago, but I wanted to save
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  Speaker 6: for when the Ruby Frank documentary came out on Netflix.
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  Speaker 6: Ruby Frank is doing up to 30 years for child abuse,
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  Speaker 6: but at one time she was one of the biggest
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  Speaker 6: mom's family vlogging with a YouTube channel called Eight Passengers.
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  Speaker 6: I watched the documentary over the weekend. It's very disturbing,
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  Speaker 6: but it's so fascinating, really sticks with you. And this
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  Speaker 6: interview that I did with a journalist who's writing a
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  Speaker 6: book about it, she has also interviewed many other children
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  Speaker 6: of family vloggers that are anonymous still at this point,
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  Speaker 6: but such a juicy interview. So we have a really
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  Speaker 6: packed show for you guys So let's just get into
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  Speaker 6: the Oscars. Okay, Conan O'Brien was the host. I think
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  Speaker 6: he did absolutely great. He had such a great attitude.
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  Speaker 6: He changed his tuxes a few times, and.
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  Speaker 5: He looked great. On the other hand, I didn't like
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  Speaker 5: Robert Downey Jr. 's look.
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  Speaker 6: You're like, Heather, I can't believe you're talking about the
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  Speaker 6: male outfits. Well, yeah, I am, because Robert Downey Jr.
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  Speaker 6: wore these kind of flowy, weird outfits I'm sorry, I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to say it, womanly pants. I just did not
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  Speaker 6: think it looked good compared to Conan's fitted pants.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, that's what I'm going to say.
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  Speaker 6: The show opened up beautifully with a wicked, you know,
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  Speaker 6: with the two girls singing and their love for each
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  Speaker 6: other and bowing to each other and singing and sounding fabulous.
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  Speaker 5: Also, all of their dresses were stunning.
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  Speaker 6: I I really don't think anybody wore a bad dress
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  Speaker 6: except at the after party, which was at Vanity Fair. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: and then also there was an after party that Elton
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  Speaker 6: John always has that they said made over $ 8 million
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  Speaker 6: for AIDS. He's had this forever. And his husband and
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  Speaker 6: his two children. twin sons who are like teenagers now
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  Speaker 6: made an appearance, which we never see, but they're very
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  Speaker 6: cute and polite. And he sang Pink Pony Club with
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  Speaker 6: Chapel Roan. And she also did his classics. And that
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  Speaker 6: looked like a really fun party. To remind you, this
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  Speaker 6: is the party that Sutton called out Lisa Rinna for,
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  Speaker 6: for never paying to come to. What I remember allegedly
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  Speaker 6: is Sutton got a table because she's a rich lady
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  Speaker 6: and charitable and invited Lisa Rinna to sit at her
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  Speaker 6: table and mentioned that she never made a donation or
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  Speaker 6: paid her back. And Lisa Rinna was like, I've always
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  Speaker 6: been invited because I'm fucking.
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  Speaker 5: Lisa Rinna, okay? With Harry fucking Hamlin.
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  Speaker 6: So anyway, I just wanted to just make always a
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  Speaker 6: housewife reference in the biggest night in Hollywood. So Demi Moore,
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  Speaker 6: who has worn the best dresses I have ever seen,
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  Speaker 6: the best gowns, her body's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: She did not win.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, well, this was kind of juicy. So, Mikey Madison,
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  Speaker 6: she's very young. She won Best Actress for Anora. Mackenzie
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  Speaker 6: saw it. A lot of other people I know saw it,
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  Speaker 6: and they're like, Heather, you will love it because it
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  Speaker 6: is about a sugar baby or a sex worker. She
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  Speaker 6: gets up on stage, and along with thanking all the
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  Speaker 6: appropriate people for the film, she says, and I'd like
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  Speaker 6: to thank everybody in the sex worker industry or something
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  Speaker 6: to that effect.
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  Speaker 5: And it was just kind of weird to.
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  Speaker 6: Hear like an audience of Hollywood elites like cheer for that.
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  Speaker 6: But honestly, I thought about it and some of my
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  Speaker 6: favorite movies involve stories involving sex workers.
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  Speaker 5: I'm obsessed with it. From Pretty Woman to Monster.
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  Speaker 6: So I looked up how many actresses have won for
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  Speaker 6: roles where they play a sex worker. And there are
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  Speaker 6: so many, or they've been nominated. And I think that these,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think it's, my mom used to say,
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  Speaker 6: oldest profession in the world. And it is something, it's
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  Speaker 6: very intriguing storytelling. It's very juicy. And, you know, when
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  Speaker 6: you're not living it, you're intrigued by it. Like someone
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  Speaker 6: like me, that's why I also like affairs, and that
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  Speaker 6: type of film genre too.
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  Speaker 5: And Fidelity, I like that stuff. So I'm excited to
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  Speaker 5: see it.
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  Speaker 6: And of course, she was very gracious in her acceptance
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  Speaker 6: speech as well about being with everybody like Demi Moore
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  Speaker 6: and so many others that were nominated.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, Conan in his monologue, I think he did great.
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  Speaker 6: And he went there. You know, not Ricky Gervais went there,
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  Speaker 6: but kind of trying to be. He called out the
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  Speaker 6: actress that was nominated for Amelia Perez, who did not win,
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  Speaker 6: for her horrific tweets saying, and if you're going to
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  Speaker 6: tweet about this, I'm Jimmy Kimmel.
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  Speaker 5: And that was good. She's right in front of him.
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  Speaker 5: He brought it up.
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  Speaker 6: He also said, oh, the show is halfway over. So
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  Speaker 6: this is when Kendrick Lamar comes out and calls Drake
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  Speaker 6: a pedophile. Just saying the word pedophile is a memorable
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  Speaker 6: moment in a Hollywood award show.
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  Speaker 5: Again, recruit your face. Y'all pedophiles. Y'all pedophiles. He said pedophiles.
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  Speaker 5: Y'all pedophiles. I don't care. I don't care. Don't ask
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  Speaker 5: me to host the Golden Globes again. Like, it was good.
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  Speaker 6: But he was self-deprecating and funny. And like I said,
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  Speaker 6: I liked his tailored suits. It was just a really
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  Speaker 6: good show.
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  Speaker 5: There was a beautiful....
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  Speaker 6: Moment, another great act, which they did a James Bond
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  Speaker 6: thing and, and saying, um, diamonds are forever.
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  Speaker 5: And it was just great. Like, like all of it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, yes, it took long and everything. There wasn't
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  Speaker 6: any like super scandalous moment. Um, and it was good,
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  Speaker 6: but now let's talk about the.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what?
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  Speaker 6: She knows what she's doing because the only time we're
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  Speaker 6: talking about her, she's not really, she's not in movies,
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  Speaker 6: she's not dating anyone exciting, is when she goes on
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  Speaker 6: the red carpet and wears something weird.
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  Speaker 5: So she knows what she's doing.
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  Speaker 6: So she saw what happened with Bianca, who is now dating,
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  Speaker 6: married to her ex-boyfriend, Kanye. She did a sheer dress too,
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  Speaker 6: but she wore a long wig and put... had full
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  Speaker 6: nip out, but then had the long wig, kind of
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  Speaker 6: like Adam and Eve, come down to cover just the
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  Speaker 6: split part of the vagina.
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  Speaker 5: So that was classy.
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  Speaker 6: Zoe, who won Best Supporting Actress for Amelia Perez, she
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  Speaker 6: had a great speech.
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  Speaker 5: And she also had a.
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  Speaker 6: Great moment where someone asked her, oh, you know, how
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  Speaker 6: do you feel about, you know, Mexican people not liking
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  Speaker 6: this movie because it takes place in.
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  Speaker 5: Their country or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: She was very diplomatic in her answer and just so
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  Speaker 6: well-spoken and her speech was great. Thank you, your mom
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  Speaker 6: and her, and her husband. So she had, I thought
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  Speaker 6: an incredible speech. Um, but anyway, there was that naked outfit.
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  Speaker 6: Sofia Vergara came and I just thought her outfit was just,
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  Speaker 6: her dress was nothing great.
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  Speaker 5: She had the cutouts.
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  Speaker 6: If anyone did the sheer, uh, thing, which I think
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  Speaker 6: is definitely on its way out. It was only at
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  Speaker 6: the after parties. Nobody wore it like to walk out. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: Olivia Wilde did a really sheer one, like bottom of
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  Speaker 6: the nip showing full breadth, whatever.
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  Speaker 5: I just, but you know what? We're talking about you.
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't have mentioned you if you were in a
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  Speaker 6: sequins strapless, well-fitted, beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: Gown, because that's what everybody wore.
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  Speaker 6: You I always wonder like how they change then, like
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  Speaker 6: when they're a presenter and then they go to the party.
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  Speaker 6: Then I was like, Heather, they obviously have a hotel
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  Speaker 6: room and their glam is waiting there to go immediately there, change,
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  Speaker 6: and then go to the next party. But anyway, her
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  Speaker 6: dresses were beautiful. I didn't realize how much shorter her
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  Speaker 6: fiance was.
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  Speaker 5: Not a big deal.
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  Speaker 6: People had a bigger problem that he was chewing gum. Oh,
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  Speaker 6: Adrian Brody, who won Best Actor, he was chewing gum.
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  Speaker 6: And then when he went up to do his speech,
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  Speaker 6: he took out his gum and threw it to his girlfriend.
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  Speaker 6: And I guess she caught it. That was like big moment, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: His speech was nice. And that's it. You know, no,
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  Speaker 6: I was here recovering, had a great show at Agua
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  Speaker 6: Caliente Saturday night with Brandy and Julie.
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  Speaker 5: We had so much fun and I wasn't feeling well.
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  Speaker 6: And I was like, how am I going to, I've
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  Speaker 6: only probably performed three times when I'm not feeling a
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  Speaker 6: hundred percent.
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  Speaker 5: And they sometimes are the most fun shows.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what happens. God comes down and blesses
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  Speaker 6: me for an hour and a half. But to everybody
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  Speaker 6: who came, I really had such a good time. And
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  Speaker 6: thank you so much for coming to live shows. They
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  Speaker 6: are just so much fun.
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  Speaker 5: All right, you guys.
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  Speaker 6: And now for my first interview with Spencer Pratt. I
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  Speaker 6: want to get into everything that's going on. But right
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  Speaker 6: before we started, you mentioned some Oscar thoughts. And I
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  Speaker 6: just did a little recap on the Oscars. So let
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  Speaker 6: me get your thoughts on it and then we'll get
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  Speaker 6: into all, everything that's going on in your world.
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  Speaker 3: I was just so surprised that Demi or Demi thought
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  Speaker 3: she was going to beat Anora, even though, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I wish the best for her, but she's living the
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  Speaker 3: real life substance. So of course, of course the young
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  Speaker 3: version of her is going to beat her in the
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  Speaker 3: Oscars as the like, Like, so I just saw that
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  Speaker 3: coming and her reaction. I thought everyone on the lip
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  Speaker 3: readers on TikTok says she says nice. I think she
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  Speaker 3: says F-U-C-K, but maybe I want it. I want to
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  Speaker 3: see that. You know who I thought really loved it, though,
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  Speaker 3: and I wish they'd cut to her face, but it's
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  Speaker 3: not the Grammys, so they don't do that type of stuff,
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  Speaker 3: is Kylie Jenner. I would have loved to see Kylie's
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  Speaker 3: reaction to Demi. Is it Demi or Demi? Demi. Why?
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  Speaker 6: Why would Kylie's reaction matter?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you don't remember what Demi did to Kylie with
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  Speaker 3: that whole viral thing at the whatever award show it was?
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  Speaker 7: Oh, when she kind of rebuffed her.
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  Speaker 6: But I think it was just that who she was
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  Speaker 6: sitting with were people she actually knew and worked with.
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  Speaker 6: I remember that whole thing with Demi Moore and Kylie.
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  Speaker 6: And I just think she didn't know Kylie. And I
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  Speaker 6: don't think she's trying to be rude. But I felt
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  Speaker 6: like Kylie, you know, has been such a great girlfriend,
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  Speaker 6: which is interesting because a lot of people wondered if
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  Speaker 6: that relationship was real. But I think two years in,
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  Speaker 6: I do think it's real. And I was thinking how
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  Speaker 6: Kris Jenner has really risen in her daughter's dating because
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  Speaker 6: it used to be like, whoa, remember when they were
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  Speaker 6: so excited and Kris and Kim came down on the
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  Speaker 6: field when, what was the first boyfriend that won the
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  Speaker 6: Super Bowl? Reggie Bush.
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  Speaker 5: When Reggie Bush won the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: It was the... It was not the Super Bowl. It
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  Speaker 3: was just like the– I think maybe it was the
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  Speaker 3: Rose Bowl. It was like– No, I think.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't the– I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he was a Trojan, but I don't think they
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  Speaker 5: were dating when he was a Trojan.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she ever got Super Bowl clout.
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  Speaker 5: Really? Okay.
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  Speaker 6: And then, of course, NBA with Lamar.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, and now it's Oscars.
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  Speaker 3: And married a Nazi. That's horrible.
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  Speaker 7: Horrible.
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  Speaker 5: Horrible.
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  Speaker 6: I know. I'm like, what if North has to do
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  Speaker 6: a book report on Anne Frank? That'll be an awkward
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  Speaker 6: day at Dad's house.
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  Speaker 5: Disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Back to the funny Oscars. What else about the Oscars?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Kylie, though, I was thinking if I was
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  Speaker 3: Timmy Chalamet's agent this morning, I would be thinking if
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  Speaker 3: Kylie is not good for his, like, brand. Like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure that's an agent's thing because he didn't win the
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  Speaker 3: Oscar and there is a two- Like, cause he takes
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  Speaker 3: his acting so serious. And then he has like a,
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  Speaker 3: like a Kardashian Jenner relationship. And I wonder if the Academy,
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  Speaker 3: like if I'm playing Hollywood agent, that's my first thought. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you didn't win. Maybe this is not a good look.
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  Speaker 3: Like initially they were very private until this like award season.
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  Speaker 3: And they like, for some reason pivoted. So that was
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  Speaker 3: just what I was saying on the car ride with Heidi.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, if I was an agent, I would
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  Speaker 3: be like, I'll know about this one.
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  Speaker 6: But I think that Kylie, out of all of them,
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  Speaker 6: has kind of conducted herself in a different way, maybe
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  Speaker 6: because she was raised in it so young. And, you know,
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  Speaker 6: like keeping her first pregnancy private, keeping this initially private.
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  Speaker 6: As the girlfriend, she's shown up looking stunning. a lot
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  Speaker 6: of like the look I thought was a lot of
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  Speaker 6: less makeup too on a lot of people, but she
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  Speaker 6: sort of started that.
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  Speaker 5: She looks really good. She's, you know, never trying to
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  Speaker 5: draw attention from him. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I think she has a, I think she has her
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  Speaker 6: own kind of following that respects her. That's separate from
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  Speaker 6: the rest of them. Like when Kim, like Kim's outfit
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  Speaker 6: for the after party, did you see that? It looked
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  Speaker 6: like someone's, like, comforter or duvet.
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  Speaker 5: The wedding one?
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  Speaker 3: The wedding dress?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, very, very weird. Like, it was just, it didn't
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  Speaker 5: look good.
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  Speaker 3: I never thought I'd feel bad for Kim, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't think anyone deserves to have an ex doing, like,
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  Speaker 3: Kim has worked so hard to now just have, it's
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  Speaker 3: the craziest toxic cloud nightmare, just haunting. There's no way
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  Speaker 3: that can't be, you can't just compartmentalize that, so.
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  Speaker 7: I totally agree.
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  Speaker 6: I've said over and over, I don't think there's a
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  Speaker 6: worse person that you'd have to co-parent four kids with.
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  Speaker 6: And I give her that and she's in such a
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  Speaker 6: difficult position.
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  Speaker 5: To be in.
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  Speaker 6: Thank God she divorced him before this got to this level.
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  Speaker 6: Because there were stuff that I think where he was
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  Speaker 6: acting crazy that got her to the place to finally say,
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  Speaker 6: I've got to leave you. But thank God it didn't
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  Speaker 6: happen on her watch.
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  Speaker 3: He just needs to do like a real public apology
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  Speaker 3: to her and get the Swifties back on her side
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 5: He's not, but he's not sorry. Like he was just seeing.
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  Speaker 3: Not Kanye. Oh, him needs to like do multiple interviews
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  Speaker 3: about how she like played Taylor out and get Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and like give Taylor $ 500 million to do
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  Speaker 3: a skims campaign and, and just like, Because it's hard
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  Speaker 3: for me even as a Swifty to have any sympathy
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  Speaker 3: publicly for her. But if she did a real effort
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  Speaker 3: to be like, I messed up, please forgive me. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of like the Zelinsky thing if she,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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  Speaker 3: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
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  Speaker 5: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: Wait, also, speaking of Swifties, how do you feel about
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: Taylor Swift being dragged into the Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: mess and not taking a stand either way, but also
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: not inviting her to be in the suite at the
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl?
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: The dragon stuff, I'm sure, spooked her up a little bit.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Unless she called, we don't know. Maybe Taylor refers to
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: herself as a dragon secretly.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: And that's the part we're missing. But if I were Taylor,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, huh? And that whole setup where timing
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Justin's meeting and having Taylor show up with Ryan there.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: But again, I've already said I've been bought off by
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Ryan and Mint Mobile and Blake Lively. So I'm trying
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: to get another Mint Mobile commercial. So I think They
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: are great, jolly old folks. Wait, what do you mean?
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: There have been Mint Mobile ads on this show.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: They gave us that commercial that aired during The Golden Bachelor.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: It was an incredible check that I will forever be
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: thankful for. So I don't bite the hand that feeds me.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: That hand is writing scripts they shouldn't be writing or whatever.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: Right. Well, you know, it's the honesty of you that
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: keeps the juicy scoopers in your back pocket because you
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: are so transparent about everything. And so let's get into
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: your life. This morning, you finally got to meet with
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: the appointment. Tell us about that.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: No, no, that is coming up. I was supposed to
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: meet them this morning. I told them I was going
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: to be late. So no, I found two guys there.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Right now, I don't know if what's going on with
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: immigration and checkpoints or it is impossible to hire anybody
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: to just I want to dig all of my shattered
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: crystals out of the rubble before the Army Corps comes in.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: So I've been trying for weeks to hire anybody to
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: come because I was trying to do it myself and
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: just digging. I'm not in the shape level. where I
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: could just dig everything myself, put them in buckets, carry
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: them up the hill because we lived on a hill.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: So I finally found two guys that specialize in debris
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: clearance and that's what their current job is. So they're
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: going to help dig all my shattered crystals out of
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: the rubble before the Army Corps arrives. Supposedly comes and
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: just clears everything and puts it in dumpsters.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: So that is the plan that the that the army
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: is going to come and clear the whole neighborhood for everyone.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: If you submitted all the forms in time, you could
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: opt in. But most of these rich people in the
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Palisades are choosing privately because I think you have more.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not sure why you choose private because
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: everyone I talked to is like minimum one hundred thousand dollars.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: The dig out rubble.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: And how are you feeling?
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: What would you like to share your opinions now that
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: it's been over?
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: We're almost coming on two months, right?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: I think it's 41 days or 42 days.
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: How are you feeling about all the theories? What do
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: you think happened? What would you like to share with us?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously I have the court case going.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: So my lawyer is like, we have a big thing
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: unfolding this week so we can catch up, but I
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: won't know until that comes out. And I think that's Thursday.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: So there's a big like aha moment coming, which is
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I'm excited for. But really the lawsuit's my only hope
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: to ever go back to the Palisades because we just
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: had that fair play on since farmers had dropped us
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: and all you could get was a fair plan, I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: think it was called. And that only covered the structure.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And since we're on a hill to just bring our
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: house up to code, the whole amount of fair plan
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: money that they said was going to rebuild our house
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: is actually only covers the cement and the piling. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: we truly need to win this lawsuit, which is hard
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: when you sue a city because they have so many
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of these immunities, which are insane. If, you know, if
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: you're the reason why a house is destroyed, you should
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: have no immunity, which is hopefully why we're going to
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: get our case held in front of a jury, which
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: is the goal.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: But, um, and is it just, is it just you
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: guys or is this like a class action?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've added my entire all day long neighbors are
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: finally getting my number and texting. And I keep thinking
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I added five houses from the neighborhood yesterday. So, as
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I keep telling people on social media, reach out and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I can add you to the case. So I want
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to say I have at least a hundred, I'm guessing
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: a hundred houses in the neighborhood. And again, probably four
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: people are adding a day because they're looking at, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I think it was so much in the initial, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I knew right away, like this should never have happened. And,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously I'm not an expert and I'm in
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: the comment section trying not to argue with you know,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: firefighter accounts and, you know, climate change people and, you know,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: you know, people that are just brainwashed. And I don't
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: care what anyone says, period. I don't care about like
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: the pre-planning or whatever. All I know is when the
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: fire first started, you could have put it out because
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a surprise. Everyone said for three days there
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: were going to be these hurricane winds. And again, these
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: winds did not get crazy until the afternoons. I was
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Snapchatting on the hill from 10 30 AM till five
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: o'clock when it got really windy. And initially that shout
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: out Canada, everyone informed me there were Canadian planes. There
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: were two Canadian planes doing a great job, but there
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: should have been 20. It should have been a hundred.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, just amount. I don't have money in my
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: bank account because I pay since 2007, when we started
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: making money, I pay all my money to taxes.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: So.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: All of my money goes to taxes, so there should
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: be enough for the Palisades, where it pays all these taxes,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: to have 20 of these planes parked in Van Nuys
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: or at Point Magoo, because they got a runway there.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: It would probably take, I don't know how fast these
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: planes are. Again, I'm not an expert for all these
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: people that don't come attacking me in my DMs. This
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: is my opinion. You park these planes at Point Magoo.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: And there's the ocean. I watched these two. They would
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: go and they would scoop it and they would drop it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: If there had been, you know, I have friends saying
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: a hundred, which I feel like the amount Palisades paid
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: in taxes, there could be a hundred of these planes.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: They're not fighter jets. Keep in mind, like we got
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: enough F-22 Raptors. These things all cost $ 350 million a plane.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: These are just like propeller looking things that dump water.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: So I'm not saying like build an air force. So
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: my whole thing of, We saw what happened with the fire, uh,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the paradise fire. We saw the Woosley by like that nobody.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: And again, it's my bad that I haven't been making
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Tik TOKs, you know, cause I was never engaged in this.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I just assumed the Palisades would have water in the hydrants.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: We have, I live on a street with a reservoir
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and in the last six months, they kind of were
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: like working on it. And I was asking like, oh.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: What are you guys doing? They're like, oh, we're fixing
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: this reservoir. I'm like, oh, there's no water in that?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, no. So for the eight years we've
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: been living on our street, we have one of those reservoirs.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: And I know it's empty because they told me it
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: was empty. So this isn't even the reservoir everyone's talking about,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the one in the Highlands that was empty. There was
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: also one on my street that was empty as well.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: So let's not even count the water and the reservoirs
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: and the no brush clearance because I saw this one
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: like obviously paid off. you know, former fire chief, like
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: there could have been two football fields of brush clearance.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Like that's not true. Cause the houses to my right
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: that are, didn't burn down on this hill. I used
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: to always see, they were so good about their own
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: backyard brush clearance and those houses are all fine. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: all the ones that didn't have that. So if you
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: go back, I don't know. I'm again, I'm not an expert.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: It's all just me just thinking about this all day long. Now,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: every day you clear the brush for, you know, maybe
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the wind's still going to bring it, but it's, not
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: all the way up to everyone's houses. So, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: there's the brush clearance, there's the water, there's not the planes. Also,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: my friend, shout out Jamie Geller, who reminded me because
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: she's a little older than me. She grew up in
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the Palisades. She said back when she was in high
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: school and she was younger, she remembers on these wind events,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: they would have fire trucks parked on these trails going
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: into it. So keep in mind, I've said it a
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: million times on my social media. The reason why Heidi
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and I didn't really like believe. And I think all
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: my neighbors, maybe that our houses were going to burn down.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: There was never one fire truck in. I never heard
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: a siren from 10 AM to four o'clock when I left.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: So I didn't hear a siren. There was no police
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: cars coming up the streets with megaphone. Like nobody felt
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: that energy. I think I would have stayed and tried
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: to like put out our house and probably died. Cause
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: now I go back all day long thinking, Well, maybe
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: if I had somebody with water, you know, because you
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: watch it in the cameras. I'm like, oh, if I
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: put water on that deck. But, you know, obviously I
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: would have needed some more friends. But my point is
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: that's why Malibu, this happened in Malibu and they started,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: you know, all these locals started the Citizen Brigade where
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: they bought, they raised $ 2 million. They bought their own
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: fire hoses. They bought their own fire trucks. And just
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: like 60 days ago, The Citizen Brigade helped save my
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: friend Brian's house in Malibu because no fire trucks came.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: You know, he said he was on his balcony in
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Malibu and he saw, you know, a hundred fire trucks parked,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: like going into Cross Creek as he's with his buddies
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: putting out the fire around his house. And I'm like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: what is that? And he's like, it's just the bureaucracy.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Because first off, they don't know what streets... they are
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: allowed to go on, if they're going to get... There
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: are just so many things that, again, I don't know.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: Because each fire department is only allocated which places?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I would have to have an expert. Now there's a
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: lot of citizen experts because they've lost all these friends
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I have from Malibu. I will be like them, I'm sure,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: in a couple of years because I'm learning daily about it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: But the moral of the story is They didn't have
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: water in the hydrants. I have videos of my friends
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: who did stay back. And they're, like I said before,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: there's fire just starting on their deck. They're showing no
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: water's coming out of their faucets. So they can't even
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: hose it. So there's no water. Uh, and then they
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: have quotes were like, oh, we weren't prepared to fight
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: an urban fire. Like nobody told me that I would've
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: said like, give me some tax money back. I'll do
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: what Rick Caruso did and I'll have private tankers parked
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: in front of my house. Spraying the house down with
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: fire retardant or whatever it's called, you know, so it's just,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you just assume, cause we pay so much money that,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, they have what they need, but clearly
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: they don't or they didn't. Um, so yeah, I am
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: very confident in winning the lawsuit again. I'm not trying
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: to sue to like have a hundred million dollars. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: want my house back and my furniture. I'm just not.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Give me my house, give me my furniture. Maybe some
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: of my clothes are burned down. So my lawsuit, my
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: intention isn't like, oh, give me $ 100 million. No, give
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: me my house you took from me back from my family.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: So and you know what so how do you feel
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: about the latest news where karen bass our mayor is
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: recorded saying i know you know she tweeted about it
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: i know about these issues but i'm still gonna go
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: to ghana and then her.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Subsequently, then firing the fire chief.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: You know, everyone, you know, people know the problem with
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I can't even say I love conspiracies anymore because there's
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: now it's like you say that you're like an evil monster.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Like I used to enjoy TikTok conspiracies. Now you can't
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: even say that anymore. But everyone sent me. The James
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: O'Keefe investigative, that phone call, you know, I got a
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: thousand people sent me that. And I wish there was
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: more of a smoking gun. Regardless, it shows her character
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: like that. She knows something. And it's like maybe it
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: has nothing to do with the fires, but it's just
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: it was such a weird energy. So that was my
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: takeaway from it. I didn't think because everyone was sending it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: this phone call that where they have Karen Bass, somebody
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: anonymously recorded her talking about before the fires, like three days,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: something big's happening. I can't tell you. It was just
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: so creepy. That's the energy, you know, so I don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: even know if it was the fires, you know, that
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: they knew like, this is probably gonna, you know, I
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: don't think they lit. I know people think energy direct
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: weapons and, you know, they're, this is a land grab,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you know, every single thing is sent to me. So
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: there's nothing I haven't read. I don't think it's that.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I do think it was arson. I think they can't
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: say arson because if they say arson, now they get
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: no money from the federal government because then it's not
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: a natural disaster. So I do think someone started it
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: for sure because there wasn't a lightning bolt at 10 a.m.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I know people, everyone will message me and they're like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: It was from the New Year's Eve fire and it
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: was rekindling and deep. You know, there's that angle. There's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: people will tell you that. And there's also people say, no,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: they checked out that thermal imaging. And here's so again,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: if that was it again, I could win my lawsuit.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: So if it was they prove that it was rekindling
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: from a fire that they supposedly put out, like I
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: should win a lawsuit. Like the city shouldn't have immunity
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: if they mess up. Like that, that's not how like.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: What is the explanation to not have water in.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Your own, like, so there wasn't water in the fire hydrants,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: but there also weren't people's water. I, what I saw, what,
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: when people have like a hose thing outside of their
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: house and there wasn't water coming out of there, what
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: was that?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It's all connected. So there was not enough water for
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the whole city, which.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, because they were using some of the water, but
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: it ran out.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: No, well, Yeah, I guess it ran out fast. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: think there was some.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: There was something that we read that was one of
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: the reservoirs, why it was empty, was because some animals
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: had fallen in it and they wanted to clear it
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: out and put a cover on it so no more
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: animals could fall in it. And I'm like, but was
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: this reservoir, like, not it's not drinking water it would
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: have been the saving water so who cares if some
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: animals fell and i don't understand that do you know
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: about that yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know i i know that the cover was
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: damaged but when i when my older sister grew up
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: and everyone in the palaces grew up there was no
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: cover on that reservoir they used to swim in it
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: it was like you jump in so i just know
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the reservoir didn't need a cover so maybe this regardless
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: of this cover didn't exist from the history of the
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Palisades I knew because everyone used to swim in this river.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: So I don't know why maybe the animals were going
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: in it and that's why they made the cover. I
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: don't know, but I know that for the water to
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: work that you didn't even need the cover. So also
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: here's another thing. This is a, this is a new scoop.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: So I'm in like the whole Palisades WhatsApp chat. And
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: one thing that just came out LA times is telling, um, again,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I'm misquoting. This is an exact, this is, uh, But
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: they're saying they weren't ever told that the fire hydrants
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: didn't have water. But all my neighbors have emails. Somehow
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: they knew about this. I got to read all these emails.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I asked for them all to send to my lawyer.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: But there's emails that lots of neighbors in 2020 have
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: evidence of sending. And they got the names of who
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: at DWP sending these emails telling them these fire hydrants
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: don't have water in them.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: So.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the whole storyline they're saying they know they were unaware
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: that there was no water in these hydrants. And I
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: think that was just in LA times. That's why all
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: these WhatsApp chats with the neighbors are all, you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: sharing their emails they've sent. So there's just so much
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: lying and finger pointing and back to that chief. I'm
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: not saying she's like, I know people are like, I'm
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: glad she threw the, uh, the mayor under the bus,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: but she also didn't. I love that the mayor threw
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: her under the bus because they're all, it's like that,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: like a meme where everyone's pointing at each other, like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: which it should be. They should all be, they should
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: all be fired. They should all be investigated. And criminally,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I want them to go like, I hate that people
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: are just going to get away with this. And that's
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: my takeaway that I want to become like a better citizen. Like,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to like, I don't want to be
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: like political, but I just want accountability from my level.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like local level. I'm not trying to get into politics.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I want to be in a place
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: where you burn down a whole city. You're responsible for it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: You're going to have criminal charge. Like if a law
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: enforcement officer, like right now there's a sheriff, I don't
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: know the whole story, but like use their taser to
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the person didn't even die. No, not even taser their mace.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: They use their mace. Now they're getting held for, again,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: these are all, do not come at me, these aren't
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: perfect facts, but from what I recall, they used their mace, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: They're now getting, got fired. They're getting criminally charged. Why did,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: like as a law enforcement person, have that happen to them?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: But if the mayor or the fire chief causes a
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: whole town to burn down because of ineptness or whatever
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: they didn't do, why can't they be held? Why can't
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I take them to like criminal court. Because I feel
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: like if people in these positions of power and sit
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: on these city councils, if there was consequences to just
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: like messing up like law enforcement has, I just don't,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I would imagine that people would be more serious about
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: their job. I love that the mayor said there should
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: have been a thousand of these. I know we're going
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: to hear more of it. I'm sure the mayor didn't
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: say that they could have the funding. I'm not saying
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the mayor's right. I hate the mayor. I hate the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: fire chief. I hate all these people. But I love
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: that the mayor did say, well, you didn't do what
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to and we've done in the past. And
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the mayor's text just came out. There were no texts from,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: so maybe there's a different phone there, but there were
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: no texts from the fire chief To the mayor, which
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: the mayor's office did say, usually you call. So they're like,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: they didn't lie about that. You weren't calling and texting
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and asking for, Hey, cause if you're saying you didn't
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: send the thousand people because of your budgets and overtime,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: why didn't you text? Like, where's the text? Like, Hey,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I think we should, can you make sure I'm cool
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: on the budget? I need these thousand. Cause it's back
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: to the thing. If the fire started at 530 with
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: the high winds, I agree with everybody. This is a
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: climate change event. Nothing could happen. But when I was
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: there at 1030 and it was up.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: On the hill. 1030 a.m., which you have all the
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: evidence because.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: You were filming it. Yeah. If you have a thousand firefighters, again,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: maybe my house burns down up on the hill, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: my parents' house should not have burned down on the
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: other side of the Palisades. So that's my whole takeaway.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying they could have stopped houses from burning down.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I just feel like if we'd had the resources, the planes,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the helicopters, again, I know the wind came, but for
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: three hours they were flying. And then when they left
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: and then they came back, I don't know. I know
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: there's conspiracies about that. And I got attacked for even
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: mentioning that. So I don't know why they left and
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: came back. My friend thinks they out of like protocol,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: they left because of the wind. And then when they
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: realized the firefighters was like, get back here, protocol is over.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Like if, you know, if you can do it and
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: then they came back because they realized, oh my God,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: everything's going to burn down. So, you know, I think
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: there's going to, I hope, cause I know Newsom, our
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: awesome governor said, there's going to be an investigation. So
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I hope in the investigation, we hear why the planes
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: left and why the planes came back. And then in
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: the future, if it looks like there's an emergency, don't leave. And,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: you know, these pilots and other people argue with me
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: in my comment section, it looks like it's doing less
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: than it really is.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: With two of them, but a hundred of these planes,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: you know, so whatever. I know I'm so, I'm so mad.
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: Well, you're probably thrilled to know that Gavin is doing
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: all he can because he is starting.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: His own podcast. It's just Gav or something.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: So maybe you can be his first guest because he says,
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: I want people that disagree with me. I think personally,
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: he's like everyone else has a podcast and has cool people.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: Come to their mansion. I'm going to start my own.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: So in case I'm not the governor anymore, then I
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: have this to look forward to.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, my joke on social media was since Alex Earl
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: left the Unwell Network, I thought Gavin would be perfect
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: for the Unwell Network because it seemed like such an
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: unwell mental, you know, it's a hundred percent. That's what
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: it is. He's like, oh, I can't now that I
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: burned down LA, I probably won't be president. I better
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: have my wine and my podcast. So I'm sure he'll
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: be selling wine ads on his podcast. Absolutely.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Okay. Now, before we wrap up, tell me the latest
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: that's happening with Heidi.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: I love the Pitbull.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: I play it at the end of my last four
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: of my live shows. We dance to it at the
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: end of the show. I'll do it with Pitbull. What
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: is going on in that world?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Heidi has a huge record with one of the most
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: famous artists alive, top. I'd say as famous as you
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: can be talented, you know, superstar. So that record's done.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: That artist even directed the music video, edited it. So
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: that's coming out within the next four weeks, I would say.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow. That's awesome.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: So that's incredible. That artist like reached out, wrote the
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: song with this other Grammy nominated producer for Heidi about,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: you know, it's, it's a very uplifting song. So that's,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Really exciting. Heidi's now living a dream that she never
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: imagined would come true in the sense that she's going
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: to have to be a mom that, you know, she
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: has a show in Seattle. She's like, she's like a
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: juicy scoop. Uh, she's like you mom. So she has Seattle,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: San Francisco. She's performing at the hoop hoop law in
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: England in front of 30,000 people. So, uh, uh, It's
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: very funny.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: Are you guys going with her or is she going
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: to just go be gone for two days and come back?
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I'm going with her. Her mom and dad are going
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: to come stay with our kids. So that's great. Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to go with her because somebody needs to,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: you know, film her and sell the merch. I'm going
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: to be in charge of the merch booth. So it's very.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: As someone with two young boys who was traveling... The
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: few times that I would like, I remember like one
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: time I was like, oh my God, I'm doing, you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: three nights and five shows at like some Phoenix Improv.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: So I made it that we.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Could stay at this hotel that had like a water
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: slide at it so that I could like be with
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: my kids in the day. And of course, my younger
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: son wasn't tall enough to go down the water slide.
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: It was extremely traumatic.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: For the whole family.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: But, you know, you're so tired, honestly, you need to
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: save your energy for the day that my suggestion to
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: any mom, if it's the short stints, is to not
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: bring the kids. Rest during the day. Rest your voice.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Not be exerting energy. And then, you know, and then
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: come back and just be gone for a short period
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: of time and then come back.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, if we got in a reality show,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: then you bring the family. And it's just like the
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Griswolds do the international tour. And then at least the
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: insanity of parenting and traveling to the show, then there's
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: a purpose to it. But I was like, if there's
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: no reality show, these are just strike missions. But that
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: was my initial pitch. Like, this is it. This is
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: the show. We travel the world. And Heidi's looking at
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: me like, no, we're not doing that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: It's too much. You need to have your downtime.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It'll be already too much, which is great. But again,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: these are all high class problems because, you know, thank
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: God these opportunities are happening so that I'm looking into
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: a teepee, like, I mean, like a really large teepee
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: to put on our former house since we can't build
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: a house. I'm like, well, we could get a nice,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: one of these nice teepees like you see in Saudi
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Arabia and these deserts, you know, like the like really
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: nice teepees.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: So why a teepee?
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: Why not one of those, like where they talk about
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: these homes that are like 3d and can be like
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: made like a Lego and, and it could be still
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: nice and temporary, but maybe you could just make that
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: your ADU.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: At the end or something like, what about something like that?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Our house is like on a Hill. So that's why
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: we can't rebuild. Cause we would need the pilings and that,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: you know, to put, so a teepee could be on
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: the side of a Hill. Like, you know, more like
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: camping style vision. So like, like those, the Swiss family
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Robinson style is the vibe, like seeing our future.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: And, and, you know, so, well, I'm hoping that that
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: happens sooner than later. I love that you've become the
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: Aaron Brockovich of the Palisades and so much more and,
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: you know, spreading the word.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Any listeners that know anyone in the Palisades, what I
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: need right now, is any wires sparking because they didn't
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: turn the electricity off till like five o'clock or whatever.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Like it's not supposed to go off way. So if
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I have footage when the Palisades fire started of wires,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: sparking transformers going to be really good for the case.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: So keep that, you know, Any juicy scoopers, you see
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: anybody in the Palisades post and DM them and say,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: you have anything on your camera roll? Some wires sparking? Oh,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that's good.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: All right. Well, thank you so much for taking the time.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: I know how busy you are.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: Love you.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: And hopefully you can come back in studio soon and
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: you have a minute.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I'll be in your studio once a
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: week coming up.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: Got it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to be sharing the facility very
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: soon here.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Okay. I love that so much.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Love you. Bye.
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: All right. That was such a great time talking to Spencer.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: And now for my interview with the journalist who cracked
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: open the case and is a Ruby Frank expert about
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: family vlogging and exposing your kids on social media.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Very juicy. Let's go.
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: I have a new Juicy Scoop guest here recommended by
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: a Juicy Scooper. I love when you guys... come across
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: someone interesting that you want me to interview, and we've
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: got that today. I've got Fortessa Latifi.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: I said it correctly.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I really love what you are doing on social media,
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: but I know you're a journalist and you wrote this
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: article for Teen Vogue about influencer parents and the kids
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: that had their whole lives documented Without their consent because
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: they're children. And I've talked about this on the show
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: a little bit and some of the changes.
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: I think there's only– is there only one state or
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: three states?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Three now.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: And what is that law now that protects those kids
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: and what does that entail?
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's one– the first one was in Illinois.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: And it basically is– so in California we have the
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Coogan Law for Child Actors. which is the 15% of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: their profits goes into a trust that is saved until
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: they're 18. So that's basically the same kind of idea
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: in Illinois, Minnesota, and California.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, at least we have it too.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Because I was like, we don't have it. Come on.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: We just got it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, really?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: Because Illinois was the first, right?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Illinois was first, Minnesota was second, and California was third.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: So let's start out with, you know, you've interviewed quite
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: a few of these kids. But why don't you tell me,
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: because you're a journalist, so why don't you tell me, like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: one of the ones that really struck you as like, wow,
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: this is something I really want to explore more?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. So the, the main young woman in this story,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I call her by the name of Claire. Um, that's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: a pseudonym. So people are always trying to figure out
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: like who it is, but nobody will figure it out.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And that was very important to me, um, to keep
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: her protected. But she grew up in a YouTube vlogging family.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: She first went viral when she was a toddler and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: their channel has over a billion views. So it's very popular.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: And weirdly enough, that doesn't even really narrow it down
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: for who it is because there are so many family
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: channels that have that many views. Wow.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: And so how did you find her to talk to her?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I found her through an advocate in the space. So
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: there are people who work for protections and I was
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: reaching out to them and I was like, I'm working
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: on this story. And they were like, well, we know
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: this young woman and she's in this circumstance. And now
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: that I've done a lot of work on that and
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: I've reported on it for the Washington Post and for
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Rolling Stone and Teen Vogue. And I'm writing a book
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: about it. Now people come to me, which is great.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking for them, but they're looking for me, too,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: because they want to tell their stories.
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: And when the first time you wrote an article about
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: this interviewing somebody, what how did that come about? Was
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: that your idea or was that an assignment from your editor?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: That was my idea. OK.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: And what made you think something's not right here and
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: I want to explore more of it and see how
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: children are affected?
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: As young adults.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was thinking about basically how there are
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like reality TV kids, right? And they're also not protected
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the way that child actors are. And I grew up
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: in the time of like teen mom and 16 and pregnant.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: And I would see these kids like now they're reaching
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the age of 16 and they're still on TV. And
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I remember watching that and then looking at influencer kids
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: just on my phone on TikTok and thinking this is
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the same, but with fewer protections. And it's basically like
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: the parent is the producer and And what does that
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: do to that relationship when you make your parent or
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: your parent makes themselves your boss?
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: So true.
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: And also with reality TV, the way I know it,
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: and maybe they've changed it, but I don't believe they have,
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: is let's say Real Housewives.
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: Only the housewife is getting paid.
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: The husband and the kids that are standing in the
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: back with the dog are part of it.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: And the.
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: Only time the kids aren't part of it is when
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: there's a contentious divorce and the dad is like, screw you.
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: The kids can't be on it till they're 18. Right.
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: And the wife is so mad because she wants the
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: audience to see her make turkey tacos and being a
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: cute mom instead of just getting throwing wine at people. Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: But I've even talked to some of those housewives when
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: they've been mad about it. They're like, no, but my
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: daughter wants to do it. And this was like years
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: ago when I was friendly with one of them. And
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: this was the case.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: And I said, I know you don't want it. You know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: I know I don't.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: Want to be that friend that says your husband's right,
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: but I'm like, it's not the worst thing in the world.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: Like, so what?
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: Then she can come around.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: Hopefully you'll be on TV and she can do it
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: when she's 18.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: You know, if she still feels that way.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's any harm in being cautious
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: about things like that, especially.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: So tell me about this interview with this girl. What
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: was her experience like? How is she dealing with it now?
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: How's her relationship with her parents?
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Tell me everything.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, oh my gosh. I mean, I could
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: have written an entire book just about her. It was
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: just so interesting. But basically, like I said, she first
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: went viral when she was a toddler. And Her parents thought, okay,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: this is an opportunity.
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: And what did she go viral for?
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: Was she dancing? Was she cute?
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: What was it?
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Sassiness?
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: It was, like, a skit.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just, like, a skit on YouTube. And
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: this was, like, in the heyday of, like, when all
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the family vlogging skits were, like, doing really well.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: And kind of, so this would be, like, before we
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: had Instagram, before we had TikTok.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: So this is really where you.
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: were watching regular people like you would a TV.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on YouTube. And when family vlogging was really like
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: at its peak, although I would argue that it's at
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: another peak now, but it's just on TikTok instead of
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: on YouTube.
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: Got it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Claire, she... Just had this experience where her
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: parents decided, okay, this is going to be our business.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: We're going to put everything into this. And eventually they
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: made enough money that they both quit their jobs. They
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: got a new house. They got a new car. You know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: all this stuff they kind of got to like.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: And how old was she when they got to that place?
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: Was she a little older then?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: She was still a young, she was, I guess I
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: would say like a young adolescent.
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it took a few years.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Did she have any siblings?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I can't share.
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get too specific with her.
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: But that's also a burden, too, that if you didn't
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: want to do it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: Then it's like.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. She. So I asked her, have
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: you ever told your parents that you don't want to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: do this? And she said, I told my dad and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: he said, OK, yeah, that's fine. But we're going to
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: have to move out of our new house. Mom and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I are going to have to go back to work.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: There's not going to be enough money for nice things.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: That was the quote that really stuck with me. And
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: so when you're putting that much pressure on a kid, like,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: is that really a choice?
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: I don't.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Know that it is.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: So how, when did she finally get out of this situation?
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: Or is she still participating?
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I can't get into it.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Okay.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: So she, like her, so yeah, so she's still anonymous.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows who she is. Yeah. She did tell me
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: that eventually she wanted to share her actual name and
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: she wanted to you know, come out against this practice.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But I think it's very difficult because people often ask me, like,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: why aren't more kids speaking out against this? And I'm like,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: because that's speaking out against your parents. Like, that's very difficult. That's,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's your family still, you know, so I
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: don't blame these kids for being cautious.
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's always a really hard situation because even when
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: you look back at your own childhood or whatever, and
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: there's things that you might look back and are like, well,
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: that was fucked up.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: Like, whoops.
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: But then you're also like, but.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: They tried their best.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Like, I mean, you know, like, cause.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: It's not, it's not, you know, sexual, physical abuse or
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: anything like that. So even if you're like, God, can
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: you believe that mom and dad did that?
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Whatever.
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: And that was weird.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: But then you're like, you know, no, but still like we,
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: you know, had a nice home and it was fun
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: and we had some fun. And also it's like, yeah, there's,
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: it's also cause they're young kids and, So they aren't
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: mature enough to really like speak or whatever.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: But then also it's kind of like your own little cult.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Like if you turn on the cult, then the
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: other kids that might still be doing it or, you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: the thing is, it's like, like if you have a
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: couple of kids and the oldest one you send to
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: soccer and he's really, really good at soccer. Now you're
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: traveling to all the soccer things. So then the next kid,
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: you're like, let's do soccer. And the third kid, you're like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: let's do soccer. If either one of them are not
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: that great at soccer or don't want to do it,
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: you don't have the bandwidth to go, okay, let's start
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: ice skating with child three.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: You don't.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: It's like, so it could be that too.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: It could be the first kid is a total ham,
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: loves it, wants to do it, may never want to stop.
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: But just like a kid that loves gymnastics at six
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: and then at 14 is like, I hate it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: I don't want to do it anymore.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: And the parents are like, what?
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: We've just put all this money.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: They change their mind. So even if your kid was
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: super enthusiastic into it at a certain age, they lose
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: interest or they don't want to. And the thing is
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: that this isn't just a sport. This is a sport,
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: a thing that the whole world is seeing.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Right. And I think it's important to note that even
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: if the child is really interested and wants to be
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: doing this, the the onus is on the parents to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: make sure that there are boundaries in place and that
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: they're not sharing things that maybe later when they grow
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: up that they'll be like wait why was that on
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: there you know like if something's like really personal and
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: like let's say you're three or four years old and
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: you really love being on camera but then you are
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: a teenager and you're like why are there youtube videos
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of my potty training on you know because this is
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: not like and I can make these examples because there
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: are so many like most youtube families have videos of
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: like this is how we potty trained so-and-so. And, like,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: it has, like, millions of views. And you just, like, wonder, like,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: what it's going to be like to grow up and
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: be able to look up your potty training on YouTube.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: It's so crazy.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: And, you know, did you ever see the movie The
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Truman Show?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: It's so crazy that millions of people are living The
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: Truman Show. And for my audience that doesn't know it,
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: Jim Carrey starred in it, and it was this really
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: fascinating idea. And I remember reading an article about how
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: the scriptwriter came up with it, the writer of it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: This idea of basically this kid doesn't realize he is
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: in the most popular TV show on earth, and he
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: doesn't realize he's even in a sound studio until he
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: tries to leave.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: And it's like the backdrop at... paramount that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: Looks like a the clouds yeah and he like goes
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: to like leave and he can't leave and um and
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: yeah it's like they don't know like i've read i've
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: read some of your stuff and seen some of your
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: videos where you know um somebody like walk goes up
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: to people that goes up to a kid and they're
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: like why do they know who i.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Am why you know um.
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: And that must be, like, very– because they don't know
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: that they're, like, in a thing. And the thing is
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: that the phone is everywhere and the iPad is everywhere.
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: So the fact that your parent is, like, going like this, like,
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: from the moment you're, like, six months old, you're used
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: to that. But then all of a sudden you're, like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: eight and someone's, like– Yeah.
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, I saw it. And you're, like, what?
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: Like, there was something– was that you that wrote the
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: thing where the person's, like, why did everyone see my
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: dance or something? It was, like, what was that story? Yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few that are like that, but it's, like,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I– In my book, the research that I'm doing for
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: my book that's coming out in a year. So stay
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: tuned because speaking of juicy scoops, like I can't even
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: tell you like what I've found in the research for
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: this book. But I mean, kids will literally be like
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: in the supermarket. And this influencer mom told me that
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: they were in the supermarket and they're, you know, in
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: the cart, whatever. There's like a toddler and someone comes
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: up and just starts talking to the toddler. And the
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: mom was like very taken aback. And she's telling me like,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: That really made me rethink about whether I want to
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: show them online. She didn't end up changing it, but
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: it is like.
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: She still shows them online.
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: Because you get into a comfortable thing. It's like any
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: job that you're like, I don't really like this job,
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: but the paycheck's worth it. But in this case, it's
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: like the paycheck's worth it, or this way I could
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: be home with my kids. And I'll just make sure
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: that they don't get kidnapped.
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: But, like, now it's really scary with the AI stuff.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: So, I mean, not to get gross, but I'm going
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: to get gross right now. Like, when I've done my research,
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: which is really with really younger kids, which is even
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: the grosser, like, where they'll say, isn't it strange that
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: this video of this little cute, sassy– whatever cute thing,
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: two-year-old it's been, this video has been saved, you.
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: Know, 18 million times saved.
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: I've never even saved one video of anybody's, you know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: like I have my own videos on my phone who's
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: saving and then how many times it's been shared. And you,
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: but me as like a young mom, I see some
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: little sassy Shirley temple type, you know, um, Which is
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: also weird when you really think about Shirley Temple. but
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: like there's some little shirley temple type and i'm like
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: oh my god what a little sassy cute thing and
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: i'm watching and i know the mom's feeding her lines
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: and things.
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: Like that and but then i was like wait a
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: minute I'm.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: Not saving this and I'm not sharing this.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: Who the fuck is like, this isn't for another mom
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: who likes seeing little cute kids.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: This is for a pervert.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, you, that is a worry. I think that
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: is definitely a worry. And the New York times did
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: this incredible and harrowing story where they basically were talking
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: about how there are like pedophile groups who like search
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: through this, like influencer content. And so it's difficult to
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: share with each other.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And I mean, These parents also are aware of this
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: as a problem because when in my reporting, I've talked
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: to parents and I've asked them, is this something that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you worry about? And so, for example, I talked to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: this mom who has twin daughters. They're very young and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: one of them is a dancer. And so obviously, you know,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: she wears like dancer clothes. And like like you said,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: like someone normal would see that. And it's just like, oh,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: a kid like dancing, whatever. Right. But I asked her,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: do you worry about like posting things that people might
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: like use it in the wrong way? And she said,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I do worry. And I noticed that people save more
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: like when it's the dancing content. And so I asked
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: her what she does. And she said, well, I only
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: share it once in a while. And I understand like
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: what I hear from parents is that we can't let people,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: bad people dictate how we share online.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: But.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: But the child can't give that consent.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: Like when we grew up, you know, it's like, even
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: if I did a play and they filmed it for
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: the school, I don't think we ever put that VHS
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: tape ever in the TV to ever watch again.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Never.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: Like as if we're going to sit down and be like,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: you know what? Let's watch Heather's Ave Maria. Like we
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: never did, you know? Totally. And, you know, and it is,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: when it first started, it was so great that a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: grandparent could like, you know, follow and everything.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: And now it's just like, yeah, to.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: See every, yeah, every little weird thing, every awkward thing, every,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: you know, like you were saying, oh, but getting back
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: to the toddler thing, this was really disturbing. So there was,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: when I followed this girl who was kind of exposing
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: it too, there was this woman and she would, what's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: that thing what people do when they're just eating food
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: called monkey?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, mukbang.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: What is it called? Mukbang. How did that name even
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: come about? I'm not sure. Anyway, it's just like people eating.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 7: So they would put.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: Their little beautiful little whatever one-year-old in the high chair,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: and now she's going to try this. Well, they give
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: her a big long popsicle. It's the first time she's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: going to try a popsicle. And this was 30 million
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: views of her sucking on a long popsicle. And to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: think that what that could become with the help of AI,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: it's just, and.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: This is your child.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: This is your, and when it was brought to this
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: woman's attention, I don't even think she removed it.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, even like regular parents are worried about this
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Like I wrote a story for the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Washington Post about regular non-influencer parents who are deciding that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: they're not going to show their kids online at all
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: because they're worried about AI, they're worried about online footprint,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: they're worried about privacy. And so, you know, people are
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: making this decision as technology changes. They're just like, why?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Why even, like, take the risk?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, send the photo, text, have a family shared album,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: an email. Like, you're right. Like, why?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: So you told this one, you interviewed this one girl
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: about when she got her period.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: Can you tell that?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Situation yeah so her mom was a mommy blogger so
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: not she was like when so there were like the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: mommy bloggers came first and then the family vloggers came
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: on youtube and then after that came instagram and tiktok
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: so this was.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: And what years what did this kind of begin i.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Would say that the first mommy bloggers got really big
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: around 2005 to 2008 so it's been just about 20
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: years okay which is why I think it's so fascinating
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: that it took so long for legislation to happen, because
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: this has been a thing for two decades now. But
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: this young woman, her mom was a mommy blogger. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: when she got her period for the first time, her
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: mom got a sponsored brand deal for menstrual pads. And
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: so she had to do a brand deal about getting
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: her period for the first time. Um, and she said
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: it was mortifying and she wanted to crawl.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: So the child also had to participate. It wasn't just
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: the mom saying, Oh my God. Yeah.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: That is like so awful.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: Like, is there anything?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: It's so personal and it's so difficult. And like, I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: just think about like when I got my period for
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: the first time and how like how hard it was
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: and how scary and how weird you feel. And like,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: imagine that like being online and like, and like that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff is like still happening, you know?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: I wonder, and like, I wonder who even thought to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: do the brand deal. Like, was it a woman executive?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: I'm going to guess maybe it wasn't.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: Cause I just think sometimes, I just think sometimes men,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 6: they just don't get it. They just don't understand because
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: it's not their experience. And it's like, in raising my sons,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: I feel like I've done a really good job in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: telling them, but it's also been a education for me
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: in how it's not really men's fault. They just have
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: a totally different life experience than us. So it's just like,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: they don't know what it's like to get a period
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: and to have it for 40 years. They don't know
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: every month.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like kind of insane. Now, what is
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: the Ruby Frank thing? Can you remind everybody of who Ruby.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: Frank is and what's happening with her situation?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: So Ruby Frankie was a huge family vlogger.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Their channel was called Eight Passengers. They they were Mormon.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: They lived in Utah, which most. not most, but many
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: family vloggers.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: Which is also interesting.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Which is a whole thing.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: They went from like MLMs to, you know, and now
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: there's so many reality shows now in Salt Lake city
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  Speaker 6: with the mom talk and selling Salt Lake is another
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  Speaker 6: show about realtors in Salt Lake.
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  Speaker 7: And, um, yeah, it's kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're busy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but yeah, Ruby Frankie, they had two and a
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  Speaker 1: half million subscribers at their peak. Um, And she eventually
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  Speaker 1: ended up being charged and arrested on aggravated child abuse.
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  Speaker 1: It was just this terrible story. And people were fascinated
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  Speaker 1: by it because it was like this like picture perfect,
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  Speaker 1: you know, YouTube family vlogger. And then behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 1: like this terrible thing.
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  Speaker 6: And just to remind it, she and her husband had separated.
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  Speaker 6: She was living right or her kids living with her
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  Speaker 6: podcast partner. who was like teaching, who was saying, I
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  Speaker 6: have this different way of disciplining the kids. And there
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  Speaker 6: were people that would watch these videos in which she
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  Speaker 6: was basically telling on herself as an abuser, saying, oh, well,
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  Speaker 6: I got a call.
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  Speaker 5: From the school that my daughter.
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  Speaker 6: Needed me to bring a lunch. And I was like, no,
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  Speaker 6: I told her to pack her own lunch, and she didn't,
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  Speaker 6: so she can starve. And another kid, like, didn't have
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  Speaker 6: a bed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for a while, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And she would share that.
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  Speaker 6: And so then the kids were, like, living– a couple
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  Speaker 6: of the kids that were abused were living– Where were
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  Speaker 6: they living?
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  Speaker 5: At the other woman's house?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, with Ruby and this other woman's name was Jodi Hildebrandt.
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  Speaker 1: And so allegedly the kids were living with them.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's allegedly because they were convicted, right?
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  Speaker 1: No, they were. I just don't know how long they
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  Speaker 1: were like, I'm just being a journalist. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how long they were living there or if they were, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: that is where they were arrested is at this house.
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  Speaker 5: And it's finally a child. One of the children escaped,
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  Speaker 5: escaped from the house and was like.
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  Speaker 6: Starving and had like, and had like masking tape on
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  Speaker 6: his legs where he was.
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  Speaker 5: So his limbs were tied together. Yeah. And they were
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  Speaker 5: like 10 and 12. I think those kids were.
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  Speaker 6: And so the older daughter, so they, they've been convicted,
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  Speaker 6: both the women. Do you recall how long Ruby, the
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  Speaker 6: mother is doing?
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  Speaker 7: How much?
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  Speaker 1: So it's, It depends, but at least four years and
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  Speaker 1: up to 60. So she had four counts and she
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  Speaker 1: got one to 15 years for each count. So at
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: least four years and up to 60, which is the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: max you can get in Utah.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: And so tell me what you know about her daughter
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  Speaker 6: who is the, now what of the six kids, what
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  Speaker 6: number is the daughter?
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  Speaker 5: She's the eldest.
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  Speaker 7: And she has a book.
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  Speaker 1: It just came out today.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And what, what can you tell us about her story?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a terrible story. It's obviously it's very
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: complicated because there's like the family vlogging aspect. And then
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: there's this thing, Sherry, the daughter, she calls it like
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  Speaker 1: the kind of like cult aspect with the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: with Jodi and all of her teachings. But what I
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  Speaker 1: took from it, at least with the family vlogging, is
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  Speaker 1: that Sherry doesn't think and I interviewed her for Rolling Stone.
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  Speaker 1: She told me she doesn't think family vlogging should be
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  Speaker 1: legal at all, ever. I asked her if there are
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  Speaker 1: any exceptions and she said no. um she doesn't think
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  Speaker 1: that that's how her childhood should have been she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think it was fair the privacy the consent do you recall.
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  Speaker 5: How old she was when it began.
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  Speaker 1: She was around 11 or 12 I want to say that's.
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  Speaker 5: A great age to I know she was.
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  Speaker 1: Like a little awkward little adolescent.
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  Speaker 6: And then was she also probably had the burden of
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  Speaker 6: caring for the other kids as well as making all
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: this content and having to be a delight all the time, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure, but being the oldest is
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  Speaker 1: obviously very difficult.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 7: So, so what else did she tell you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she, it was, There were a few like
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  Speaker 1: bombshells in the story. She said that Ruby and Jodi
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  Speaker 1: were in some type of relationship, which was like lovers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that was huge. She there was always questions about
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: like how involved her dad was and like where he
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  Speaker 1: was when all of this was happening. But he had
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  Speaker 1: kind of been like pushed out of the family. And
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  Speaker 1: so he wasn't around when.
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  Speaker 6: Do you remember how she met this woman, Jodi? If
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: she was married at one time, how did this woman
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  Speaker 6: come in and infiltrate their lives?
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  Speaker 1: Jodi was recommended to them as like a therapist type figure,
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  Speaker 1: but it turned out later that she had had her
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  Speaker 1: mental health licensure revoked years before. And so I think
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  Speaker 1: that's also why Sherry seems to consider her like a
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  Speaker 1: cult-like figure because is because of this, like, pull that
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: she had on people. And she obviously did.
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  Speaker 6: And so did she share anything of, like, where was
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  Speaker 6: she when the two younger kids were living?
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  Speaker 7: You know, what happened?
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  Speaker 5: Was she aware this was happening at this time? No.
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  Speaker 5: She had already left?
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  Speaker 1: She was in college. She was the oldest. She was
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: in college. And also... Jodi and Ruby had kind of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: driven like a stake in the family. And so Sherry
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really allowed to have contact with the other kids
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  Speaker 1: because they kind of like, I don't, I don't really
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  Speaker 1: know why, but they kept Sherry kind of to one
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  Speaker 1: side and did the same with the dad. And so, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was just terrible. And Sherry as the eldest, you know,
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  Speaker 1: was like, she writes in her memoir, she was calling
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Child Protective Services over and over. She
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: was asking them, you know, to do something.
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  Speaker 6: And what response was she getting?
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  Speaker 1: There wasn't enough to go on or, you know, it's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: interesting because in Utah specifically, there are like these free
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: range parenting laws and like.
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  Speaker 7: What does that mean?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it's basically that like parents should have like the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: final say and they can like You know, it's it's
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: very like a very conservative.
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  Speaker 5: Like if you want to hit your spanker kid or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or like you want to let them like take
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: care of themselves a little bit more than like maybe
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  Speaker 1: in another state that would be like considered neglect. But
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: in Utah, it's like considered like free range parenting.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: Like a free range chicken.
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  Speaker 5: You like let it run around.
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  Speaker 1: I guess so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that made it difficult. The political climate of the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: state made it difficult also because they're very like, you know,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: small government and let people do what they want. And
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: it's not the state's business. And, you know, so that
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  Speaker 1: made it more difficult.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'm excited for you to keep exploring this. Thank you.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: And tell everybody where they can follow you because you're
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: constantly doing interviews with people. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And you, like, mask their voice and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 6: And they are interesting when they share their stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's really incredible stuff. I mean, the things that I've
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: found and the people that I've talked to, it's just–
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: incredible um you can find me anywhere online at hi
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: for tessa h-i-f-o-r-t-e-s-a um tiktok instagram wherever uh yeah i
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  Speaker 1: have a lot coming out and my book is really
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: gonna blow people's minds i think.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much this is great follow her and
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  Speaker 6: um yeah be careful what you.
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  Speaker 1: Post yeah thanks for having me.
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