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Unlock Your Prime As A Pitcher | Ep 109 · The Driven Athlete

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  SPEAKER_01: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what?
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  SPEAKER_01: This podcast is for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's up, y'all?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's your man, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kyle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: We got Tyler, performance coach at Prime Performance Base Baseball.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Main performance coaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for coming and joining us.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know y'all are busy and getting your new brand new facility that's sick.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ready to go and get new clients in and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So thanks for coming in.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really excited to be here and appreciate you having us.
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  SPEAKER_01: So tell people again where you're located and then tell us more about Prime Performance.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we are located up in Port St.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lucie, Florida.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you have a good enough arm, we are a stone's throw away from the New York Mets complex, you know, right across the street.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what is we kind of do is we specialize in um player development for baseball, um, helping players understand and unlock who they are as an athlete and how to kind of get better at their strengths, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um baseball is such an individualized sport.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a team sport, but everything is done at an individual level.
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  SPEAKER_02: So for us, our main role of how to really make it in a macro sentence, would be allowing and showing the athlete hey, it's what you're good at.
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  SPEAKER_02: And here's how you can get and play to those strengths, but also better what they're not very good at.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's extremely individualized and tailored programming for those athletes looking to get their game to the next level.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like as myself, because I played baseball growing up, like we're a big baseball family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I played through high school.
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  SPEAKER_01: I decided to play volleyball my senior year in high school instead of baseball, which is kind of a big decision.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it seemed like a lot, you know, but anyway, it worked out.
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  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, um it's actually a lot of similarities in training for volleyball and baseball being an overhead rotational kind of sport.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: The guys that are in the front that are spiking the ball kind of need the same thing from their shoulder and their body.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we've kind of seen, interestingly enough, is that you can kind of train volleyball players and baseball players similar.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, they're not the exact same, but they're asking their upper bodies and upper extremities to do extremely similar stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
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  SPEAKER_02: So some of those techniques you actually kind of see carry over to the weight room and stuff like that for the two sports.
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  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like the movement, the swing, like hitting, uh, like spiking, like you said.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then um the hand-eye coordination, yeah, timing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I translate easier for me because I was a baseball player, so like I could hit the ball and I'm tall, so I could jump and jump.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was hit the ball pretty it just it was easy to transition.
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  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, um, but I totally agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Baseball is like it is a team sport, of course, but it's a very individual sport.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you're on an island, you know, for every position, you know, like like it's not yeah, hitting every position in the field, it's all you're in an island.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a unique sport because it's it is a team, but it's very certainly, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's no hiding, and they always say you're getting exposed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and the ball will find you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So 100%.
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  SPEAKER_02: They they say if you don't want the ball, it's it's coming.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh there's other team sports, basketball, lacrosse, football.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could you know, you can you're gonna get exposed, but for sure, you're it's you can still fall in the background noise, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course, to an extent, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but and also I was gonna say is too like I like what y'all what you said, like the um noticing someone's strengths, and then how can you play into those strengths really well?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then of course, identifying where you can improve.
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I know personally, I was always an advocate.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just responded well with positive reinforcement, like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you're good at this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, I didn't know that you would consider that cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm that makes me feel better and confident for sure, and then double down on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool, I'll double down on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then okay, cool, I need to improve these things, but we need some of that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Instead of always been like, you suck at this, this, this, and this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, what am I good at though?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's always gonna help with confidence.
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  SPEAKER_02: No doubt.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's funny, I can go on a quite a long tangent about this, but I actually had pretty bad performance anxiety when I played, and I think it stemmed from the negative reinforcements.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think if you tell somebody they stink long enough, they're gonna start to believe that they actually stink.
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  SPEAKER_01: But their identity is in that they're not a good whatever they're not good at, they're gonna ruminate over what they're not good at.
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  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the game of baseball, specifically pitching, has changed so much in recent years that if you're gonna make a zoo, this is obviously the analogy that I use, but if you're gonna make a zoo, you don't want nine lions.
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  SPEAKER_02: You want a lion, a zebra, an elephant, right, crocodile, things that bring people um to the zoo, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Baseball has changed in the exact same way where you don't need nine guys that all throw the exact same.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need people that are different and unique, that give an offer, a different look to the hitter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it's it's funny you mentioned the strengths thing where it's like, yeah, I don't want to make cookie-cutter pitchers, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: What makes you you?
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to buy into that and help you excel at what makes you you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because if your goal is to play professional baseball, you do not want to fit the mold of everybody else.
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  SPEAKER_02: You want to have that one unicorn metric.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if you're already good at something, it makes it a lot easier for us to kind of find and identify what that actually is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then double down on that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And double down on it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you've seen the game change drastically over the past five years where, you know, eight years ago, they were all looking for guys that had one fastball profile.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you fast forward three years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, that one fastball profile is completely changed to a different fastball profile.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you fast forward three more years to now, where it's like, well, why don't we have just a little bit of everything from different arm slots, different looks, lefty, righty, doing and accomplishing different things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we'll never let the the hitters, the other team see the same thing twice.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where that's why I think as coaches, we have such a unique opportunity where it's like, I'm not going to continue to tell you you stink at something because ultimately what you're really good at is what will get you the chance to play at the next level.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, it's cool because we always say that professional baseball is usually a few years behind college and you know, the private sector of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, they kind of let other people kind of test it and vet it out before they kind of get there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Before they adopt it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you can see a three year couple years ago, probably three years ago, team started to really adopt that mindset.
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  SPEAKER_02: You saw it here in Tampa where they kind of went away from starters, had guys that just open games as opposed to letting a guy face the same hitters three times in one lineup.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like, let's just keep shuffling it, keep showing different things, different looks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it allows guys to really specialize what it is they're good at and just do that one thing, which is interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, also, too, like with somebody's naturally good at something, they're usually like interested in that one thing as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because they're naturally good at it, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then if you double down on that, it also kind of becomes like part of their identity, like as an athlete.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: I just feel like that was missing a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just wasn't even aware of that, you know, which is a bummer.
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  SPEAKER_01: But um I I I really like that kind of a mindset approach, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: But otherwise, like you said, perform performance anxiety, super common.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had some professionals in that field with sports in here on that, and that's all really interesting to get in their opinion on those things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, something I've definitely struggled with for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'm happy now that I'm in the position to actually help other athletes kind of get through that obstacle because it's a huge one, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like because you understand it, so you can offer some insights, of course, or at least some relatability.
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  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that, I mean, maybe you have a different experience, but just as like a man in a male-dominated sport and industry, it was almost like embarrassing for me to admit, like, I'm kind of struggling with the mental side.
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  SPEAKER_02: I get nervous, guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you said I said it out loud one time.
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  SPEAKER_02: I remember I was sitting there in the bullpen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm I'm like, you know, my stomach is curling.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just out loud, I was going to a sports psychologist, and he told me, just say it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, just say it out loud one time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just said out loud, I'm nervous, guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: And everyone down the entire bullpen, one by one, was all like, Yeah, we're nervous too, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, man, I'm like not alone.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, good, good, good.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not crazy, I'm not this crazy guy, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And then they all kind of said it, and that kind of helped me identify, okay, maybe this is something that goes on with way more people than I originally thought, and just myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: So everyone's just internalizing it to not correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you want to see macho.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's funny, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's good that you got it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, okay, good, now we're all good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now we can like really bond and like or And do this thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's do this thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, where'd you go to where'd you play?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I actually started my career um at a small school in New York, St.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bonaventure University.
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  SPEAKER_02: I registered there my freshman year and I had an injury, which we'll get into.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, then I transferred to Polk State Community College over in uh Winter Garden, Florida, and then transferred from Polk State to Liberty University, where I played for three years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Liberty.
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  SPEAKER_02: Liberty University, yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then after Liberty played one season professional, independent professionally before I got into coaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you were a relief pitcher?
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  SPEAKER_02: I was always a hard throwing relief pitcher, yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: Closer.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh I would like to close.
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  SPEAKER_02: I kind of would I would I would close would be the setup guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: So seventh, eighth, ninth inning.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, I'd come in, I thought really hard for an inning, maybe, maybe two if I was feeling crazy that day, and then that was it, I'd shut it down and get ready for the next day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was your what were you topping out at?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh about the 98, 99.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I I claim 98 because that's the better of the systems.
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  SPEAKER_02: Got 98.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if you use like the classic radar gun, 99.
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  SPEAKER_01: There has been evidence of 99 on other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Somewhere, so I've been told.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, allegedly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're 98, 99.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, that's crazy though.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like, I mean, when I was playing, I feel like mid-90s, you know, 96 was like getting up there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now it's like 9101, you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, 95 is a new 90.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of what we all joke about.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even when I was growing up, it was like if you hit 90, it was the gold standard.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now it's like there's sophomores in high school throwing 90.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's the new, and 95 because it become the new 90, it seems like.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why?
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  SPEAKER_02: Just more information and training purposely for that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you'll always kind of see throughout the trend of baseball is that pitching is always ahead of hitting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's just more metrics, more things that you can actually get numbers on and really detail and find out what's going on in the throw.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just think that, I mean, you see it with all sports.
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  SPEAKER_02: Kids are playing one sport in high school now as opposed to three.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're getting super individualized.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just think there's so much technology now at the disposal, these athletes and these kids, so they can really figure out okay, what makes me work and what makes me tick.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh you know, how can I leverage those mechanics?
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  SPEAKER_02: Capitalize on that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Training forms, like training and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just see it earlier and earlier now.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's truly what's like the longevity for players like that?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, injuries, especially in baseball, we try to do our best to litigate them as much as you possibly can.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think I always tell my professional guys that my number one job is to litigate risk of injury for you, because if you're not playing, you're not getting paid ultimately.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's I 100% agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the first most important thing is durability.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you got to get playing time.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_02: The best ability is availability, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you're not available, then you don't have really much value for somebody.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can litigate it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's things that you can do to kind of check.
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  SPEAKER_02: The longevity of it is honestly, it's pretty good, especially with modern-day medicine, um, people in your profession that have made these things so standard, you know, so standardized from Tommy John and labor and surgeries and stuff like that, that if something does happen, the success rate of getting back to the field has become so high where you can kind of just continue on right where you left off, assuming you take the proper, you know, steps.
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  SPEAKER_02: And before that to ensure that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the longevity is pretty good.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know, cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's really good.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, what was your what what happened to you?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, my freshman year of college, I fractured my lower back, I had a par as fracture in my lower back, which caused me to red shirt.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, biggest blessing in disguise.
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  SPEAKER_02: Later, my career ended up uh having bone spurs removed and elbow scoping, broke my elbow, pitched on that for a few months before I ended up getting it fixed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then the ultimately ended my career was I blew my labrum and my rotator cuff out, um, which I never had any shoulder issues up until that point besides the classic, you know, uh interior impingement of the shoulder.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I have some tricep tendon tears towards the end as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've like to say I've done it all.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've never gotten Tommy John, but um, I've definitely have been through my fair share of treatments and stuff like that, no doubt.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: So did you have rote uh rotitic cuff and labor repair surgery?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: I did not.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: So it ultimately ended my career.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I was kind of at the point where I was at a crossroads.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I'm gonna continue to play or am I going to get into the coaching realm, which was kind of looked like where my life was kind of heading at the time.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and again, the best thing that ever happened to me was actually his career-ending injury.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the decision was made.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: Decision was made.
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  SPEAKER_02: Know the trajectory now.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I now know I left it all out there and I'm good to go.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I I have no regrets in that regard, and I'm I'm happy it happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: But no, I need I probably need four anchors in my shoulder, and then from the rotary cuff standpoint, it's I mean, yeah, you know, it's just happy it happened.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, they offered, I had the opportunity to get surgery, and I was like, I don't want to do the recovery, don't want to do the rehab, I'm good.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll just we'll just check it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I mean it's it's common, like there's always gonna be some kind of laboral involvement, especially our thorough.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: There's like from when I had last time was exposed, like 80% of overhead athletes have some kind of a slap tear involvement.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's really common, it's like expected.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's not anyway, from that perspective, then if somebody presents with laboral involvement, fraying or tears, and also rotated cuff involvement or fray tears, too.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's not alarming for sure.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, you have a we have a surgery immediately.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody has that going on.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of abnormalities found in imaging like that, but not everybody has symptoms that would be debilitating or like you can't throw ever again, or shoulder press everyhead or exercise, whatever.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um so then all right, then what what do we need to do?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: We need to stabilize everything and get the scapula moving better, um, fix some movement mechanics, the thoracic spine plays a role too, get the core involved with everything, you know, with that especially with the throw.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, so there's other things that we can do.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, all right, if somebody is able to throw and they have no symptoms of pain and they have evidence of a labral tear, and you have somebody else who has symptoms of pain and they have also labor tear, one per they have the exact same uh problem, but one has pain and one doesn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: So is the structural change the problem?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Might not be.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so we need to work on some stuff right now.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: It just might be temporarily irritated, and surgery might not just be like the first thing to jump into.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, I'm biased because I'm conservative.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's a time for surgery, totally, and meds and injection.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, just saying, like, there's ways to work on things that maybe even make things more stable and strong.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd say it's probably one of the biggest things or misconceptions maybe we see with a lot of guys as they come in and said, Hey, I've had MRI and this have a slap tear.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like, join the club, man.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like if you took an x-ray of every single big leaguer in the MLB, you're gonna see, like you said, if you said 80%, I probably, you know, I'd argue it's probably higher and you know, high-level throwers.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: So um, the misconception that you I'm sure you face a lot too is that hey, you need surgery.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's like really, if you created some space in the joint and got rid of some of the fraying and rubbing, maybe worked out a little differently, properly, stopped actually rubbing, you know, the your interior shoulder raw when you're doing our dumbbell row, you probably fix a lot of that stuff.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: So we see it all the time.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: When kids come in, like, this is what I have, you know, like I'm done for.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you're not, man.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're just now you're just part of the club.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, having a tear in my MRI.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, and yeah, I'm putting on your big boy pants.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: There we go, because it's a standard.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um where are you from originally?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: From Northern Virginia, yes, sir.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I went to school in Northern Virginia.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's funny, my baseball collegiate career we talked about, went north, then I went all the way south.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: I did the whole halfback thing for for college.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I ended up going to school, like I said, at Liberty, only three hours away um in that DC area.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: Cool, yes, sir.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you were there for three years.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh how was Liberty fun?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: I loved it.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a lot of rumors out there about Liberty.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the greatest place uh on earth.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: Met my wife there.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, the school gave me a lot, and I absolutely loved my time there, Liberty.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: How long have you been married?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Uh just over a year, year and a half.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, because you just said your first anniversary.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir, just had it.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: Cool, congrats.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: Did you eat the cake?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: The frozen cake.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: We did.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: We must not have wrapped it very well because this thing was yeah, about as rock hard as a cake ingesty.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, at least it wasn't like moldy.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: No, it was slowly fresh, from what we could tell, but um wasn't as good as I remember.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's for sure.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, the time we did it, we yeah, we it wasn't it was it was stiff, it was hard, yeah, it wasn't dangerous, but it was just like okay, you know, we did it.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, not worth the hype that uh I was expecting.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, but uh it's always crazy.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was like, man, that was a year ago, you know.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: We just went through our um through it's like we we just had our eighth anniversary.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's a couple weeks ago, actually.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it goes fast, man.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um cool.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I was gonna say my wife is actually from Northern Virginia.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: And Fairfax Station.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: It is growing rapidly.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: Cost of living there is going through the roof.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's like that's everywhere.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's like that.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no kidding.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: But it's bad there right now.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like real bad.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: So um, so what is okay?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: So tell me more about uh like when a client reaches out to you.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: What do they usually call about?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: They say, I want to get stronger, I want to be a better player.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do they usually ask?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Or I think they usually call.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I know the guys kind of talked about this before, but they usually call because they want help in the pitching aspect of things or the hitting aspect of things, but they don't realize there's a lot more that goes into it than just, hey, I'm gonna go throw and get better at throwing.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it's skill development.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's skill development, it's what they want.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: Then when we kind of talk to them, we realize, hey, we can get a lot better at our skill if we do things maybe a little smarter in the weight room and stuff like that.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: So they usually reach out for skill development and then learn that they're missing the mark in a lot of ways, going to, you know, uh a strength guy for something, but he has no clue what his throw looks like, and then they're going to a different guy for their throw.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're trying to make it all underneath one roof so that if something were to happen in the weight room or God forbid something on the mound or on the field, it's the same guy that's writing your programming and knows you from top to top to bottom as an athlete.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so that's kind of what we end up selling them on is that, hey, we're trying to take it from having to go and speaking to 10 different people for one thing.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna have one guy that knows you again from top to bottom that can make the changes that you need.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: You're not trying to track down different people so everyone's on the same page.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: But to answer your question with a very short question with a long answer, the biggest thing they look for, like I said, is skill acquisition.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: And then it's our job to help them understand what they need to actually do to accomplish that goal.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, what for what do you it's like, hey, I want to be better pitching.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be a better pitcher.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to get better skills, probably throw harder, improve like their um their arsenal of what they but their pitch pitch that they have.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what is that like?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, how do you fix that?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: So we run all of our athletes through um an entire assessment.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: And this assessment is just a for us a gathering information period and to understand how the athlete moves, produces force, how the engine works, how the brakes work, um, and what it is they like to do to compensate.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Or I think I've always said that baseball players are probably by and far the best compensators in any sport.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so our job is first to identify what are those compensations that these athlete is actually doing.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then again, like we talked about earlier, how can we actually make this athlete better at those or fix the ones that are holding them and hindering them back?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: So, what this means for us is we run them through about a 20 exercise movement screen to again kind of gather information about how they move at the hips, uh, the T spine, the lumbar spine, how do the scaps actually move?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: What is their general resting posture of the actual athlete themselves?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: And then again, we put them on the force plates in the weight room.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: So um very fortunate to have Valve at our facility so we can actually see how much force they're putting in the ground, how fast they produce the force.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um we have other things like the force frame to actually test shoulder ER, IR strength, hip ER, IR strength, a lot of good stuff.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: And then from there we can see, okay, the engine works.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: We're producing force, it's happening at this speed.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's go to the force plate mound that you threw on in our bullpen.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, watched the video.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: I did, yeah.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: At our pitching lab to see, okay, where's the disconnect?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Is it from weight room to the mound?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Or we've also seen guys can produce force in the mound, but they can't produce it in the weight room.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: So the disconnect's the other way.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: So the initial assessment runs them through all of that to kind of understand and get a really good idea of who the athlete actually is and try to eliminate as much guesswork as possible, right?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Don't tell my wife, but I am wrong often.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: So uh our goal is that if when we are wrong, is trying to identify it as fast as humanly possible, have an actual, you know, number a metric to it that we know and can see, hey, this is what the athlete needs to get better at.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: There's no guesswork.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's go attack the thing full swing.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Now I would say the athletes kind of come in buckets.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: High schoolers are usually working for I need to throw harder.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: College guys, it's usually some of both.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Usually college guys need to throw harder or I need to throw more strikes.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then professional guys is kind of a huge arc of what they need.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Some guys come in, they're already throwing extremely hard.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's hey, I gotta throw more strikes.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: I need a better arsenal, you know, X, Y, and Z.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not getting enough outs, whatever it is.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: But I would say you actually have more variety in professional athletes than you do in the High school athlete because most high school kids just need to get stronger, stay healthy, throw, throw the ball harder, open up some of those opportunities for later in their playing career.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: So any suggestions from the video you saw of me?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oof.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: How long do we have?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a lot going on.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's all right.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Listen.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Diff old man.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: No warm-up.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I'm not gonna let this go.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's tough.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because I can't, I'm I'm not, I can't afford to hurt my arm.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no kidding.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: I feel that.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's e it's hard because there's guys in there throwing, and they're like, come on, coach, you do it.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, please don't.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I want to take 35 minutes to warm up.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: At least.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: I want to brush my teeth tomorrow, so I'm not gonna do this.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, no, that but it's it was really cool.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh, you guys' facility, what's it like 10?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: How big is it?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: 10,000 square feet?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: 36,000 square feet.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sorry.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: 36,000 square feet.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir, yes, sir.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it's got like a um cafeteria, yes, sir.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and like a uh drink station upstairs.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: So the gas stations the gas station's downstairs.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: Just to kind of help athletes not go from crushing a workout to raising canes across the street.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, cancel everything out.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: So we have a chef inside that's starting here in a few weeks that's gonna do a kind of Chipotle style bowls, which would be nice.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, bad for me, my wallet anyways, but yeah, I'll be there a lot.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: So it'll be it'll be good.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then upstairs is the the club.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: The the players' club, the players' lounge.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so um the clubhouse.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: So guys kind of hang out, unwind, um, protein shakes, smoothies, things like that.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, be around other guys your age doing the same thing, which is really cool.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Cool, should be a cool atmospheric cool environment for the players.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then y'all have two full-size bullpins.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Four, four full-size bullpins.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and then how many batting cages?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: Three batting cages, three full-size batting cages.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're huge batting cages.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: They're huge because our guys will actually face hitters in there as well.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: So you come down in February, we will have you out, but you'll see pro guys before they head to spring training.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they'll throw they'll face hitters in there.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we'll play a full game in the national batting cages.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: So they had to be 70 feet long minimum to make sure we could do that.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Get our guys ready to go.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, sick weight room with like how many squat racks?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like 20.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: 18.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: 18 squat racks.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it looks like I mean, it's an awesome facility.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate that.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was really cool.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know y'all were trying to figure out the sound system.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: We were.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: You got it figured out?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: We do, we sure do.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's you know, there's some speakers already there and we got the building, uh, but they're for like PA or like bingo night, maybe for the people that had it before.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I'm not too sure.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we called somebody out and they're like, nothing we can do about it.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: So we're like, you know, he gave us a price tag, it was through the roof.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: And we said, why don't we just go to guitar center, buy two speakers, and we'll do it ourselves.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Worked out totally fine.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think it's be all right.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's that's most days.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this is too loud.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I need some relaxation, do some work.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Because it it adds up, like the length of time of just constantly blasting, you know, yes, it does music in the gym.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because the next guy walks in, you want it to be good atmosphere, high energy.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, but you can't get away from it sometimes.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, plugs, you know.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Drive home in dead silence, just trying to hear my own thoughts.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's that's crazy.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, like um, I would imagine then you have um a lot of interest, pro athletes, high school athletes, the local um, there's some college guys, some local community college guys too, right?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: I would say a lot of our interest is starting to come from, like you said, the college and professional side of things.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean, yeah, y'all are outfitted for that.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's a sick facility.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: We sure are.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a really good spot for those guys.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: And for them, like as they're trying to specialize in one thing where the high school area, especially in Florida, those kids play three or four different sports.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: So we're kind of starting to see the time of year change.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Baseball season's only right around the corner, which is hard to believe already.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we're starting to kind of see the high school people kind of fill in the building.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: But I would say for the most part, it's collegiate and professional athletes are trying to get ready for this upcoming season because it comes fast.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it comes real fast time.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because if I mean they gotta be ready to go by mid early February.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, early February, they'll report.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so they gotta be ready to face hitters.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: Start in December.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: November.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, they'll be in here, they come in in October.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Usually shut the arms down for a little bit, kind of give them a nice reset.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, gives us a really good chance to kind of attack the body from a weight room standpoint and try to create some change we want to see on the mount in the weight room.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then we kind of start the throwing process in November, early November, getting the athlete ready, like you said, for that honesty facing hitters end of January, early February.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not a lot of time.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds like it is, but it's really not.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, do you have guys that come like from uh like pro guys like in September?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like because they don't make the playoffs for sure.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: So like the late September.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sir.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: We actually, yes, so a lot of the season ends mid-September.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: If they're making a playoff push, it goes into October.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but a lot of those guys, again, you're playing 150 games, you know, throughout the year.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: So when the season ends, a lot of them want to come down and throw in our fourth frame, you know, in our pitching lab immediately before they shut down.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: So we have a really good roadmap of what the offseason is going to look like for them.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, other guys, as soon as the season ends, they're like, hey, man, I'm putting the ball down for a little bit.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: So even if they put the ball down though, there's still a lot that we can accomplish and get after.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I would say the most our guys usually take off.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: This is by their choice as well, not just ours.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's probably seven to ten days.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they go on vacation, the season ends, and then they come right back to it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's sure.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was I wasn't expecting near two weeks.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's maybe on the long end.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: But those guys, yeah, at least from like the weight room side of things, I would say if you you probably get it, but like a lot of them, it's like they take longer than that off.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, I'm wasting time, or you know, someone's passing me up, I gotta get back in there.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just crazy.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: It really is.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I mean I always had that kind of a thought too, you know, of like I'm not getting after.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm it's like you purposefully need some rest time.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm like, but I'm getting, you know, someone else out outworking me, someone's out get getting after besides me.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm getting left behind.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I wouldn't sleep.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'd be like, man, I I didn't I didn't give it all my all today, or I skipped something.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I would lose sleep at night, knowing I did that.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny seeing now that it doesn't really matter to for myself, seeing other guys kind of go through the same thing where when you touch the you hit the nail on the head where it's like sometimes you gotta tell them, man, like it's okay for us to miss a day.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're actually getting better by missing a day sometimes, or just being a lot of clients that I talk with, like that they they're in the same boat.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: They're you know, imagine like they they want to exercise and work out, or imagine like a an adult that just is very active, they want to exercise and not lose the momentum they're gaining from for sure physique changes and feeling better or whatever.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yo, like we you need to take take off five days, like don't do anything for five days because they'll come back and be like, like, yeah, I'm I'm pretty sore, you know.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: They're feeling plateau.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yo, it's classic overtraining.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you're not letting things settle down, right?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, they'll come back like I'm still kind of sore.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't do anything.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, did you like ride your bike?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, okay, I rode my bike, and then I played pickleball, but then I did like a small workout, but then like I and I'm like, yo, you're not you gotta stop, you know, just take off like three days at least.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Say it's Thursday.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, take off all day Friday, don't do anything Saturday, don't do anything Sunday, come back on Monday, we'll see how you feel.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: And very often they're like, I feel way better.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, it's funny how that works, right?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm like, we just need purposeful rest time within this training program, is what we need.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: No doubt.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something that I would say like the best of the best understand better than the other ones, which almost sounds counterproductive, but especially as as pitchers, it's such a unique uh example where they'll say, Oh, I feel good, my velocity's down.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, yeah, you can't feel what your service, your essential nervous system is feeling like.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: So for us, especially in season, when you have a bullpen arm, they don't know when they're gonna throw.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: So they don't know what day they need to be peeking on.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: So for us, like you just said, it's like understanding how to keep the high days high and the low days actually low.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think what people think is a low day is not really a low day.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, especially their bar of expectations is different.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, college athletes always say it, they'll throw a heavy bullpen on Tuesday, and then recovery day on Wednesday is a heavy full body lift with back squats and bench press.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, hey man, like your body doesn't understand that this is a recovery lift because you're going nine RP in a back squat.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: It only understands stimulus.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: And if yesterday was extremely high stimulus and a bullpen, and now today's another extremely high stimulus day in the weight room.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: What's the recovery aspect of this?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: So trying to teach guys like, hey man, the high days when we're throwing bullpins, we can lift after it heavy, but the low days have to be low to give your body an actual chance, like you said, to recover, not playing pickleball, running around.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's like keep the low days low and the high days high.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_02: And all of a sudden they're like, Man, I feel like I'm doing less, but I feel way better.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, yeah, we're actually probably doing more for your body.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: You just don't realize it, right?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, do you do they still run poles and stuff after bullpens and throwing?
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: No, I would say long distance running is gone.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: I actually don't like I I'm okay with some sprints.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like impact.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like the high impact of sprinting.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: So we look for something that's you know, the pitching motion is 0.3 seconds long, the whole delivery start to finish, and it is a dead sprint.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: The point of running a pole, you're not hitting top, you know, top velocity.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's crushing your knees and ankles, especially at the course of a year.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: So, what we look for from a conditioning standpoint is something low impact that you can get to move your body as fast as humanly possible for a very short period of time with full rest, because a pitch you get 20 seconds now.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: So you get full rest, right?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, no, the pole days are gone.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I always thought that was, I was like, there's nothing, there's no magical thing about running poles.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's just you're running like interval long distance.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Correct.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: But um, what do y'all do then for the short distance?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: I love the assault bike.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Again, it's assault bike sprint?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Assault bike sprints.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: It is a it's there's no impact at all, and you can absolutely put out.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's the end of the end of the day.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to throw hard, you have to throw hard.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: You got to put out.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: And the assault bike is a you know, it's a gut check.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: You're sprinting on that thing.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll do like 10 seconds off, 50, just kind of jogging, kind of keep the heart rate up, um, and then 10 seconds back on.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: But stuff like that, you can get guys in the elliptical sleds, you can do short sprints.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking 10, 15 yards.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um jumping, obviously, jumping is a higher impact, trying to find when you're actually doing that kind of stuff.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: But something that causes you to move fast and self-organize and figure it out while still getting the heart rate up is ultimately kind of king.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: What about like pool?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: You swimming because advocates for that for sure.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Swimming sprints.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you'll see a lot of pitchers actually do swim.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's really good for the shoulder, you know, you're strengthening it, doing a lot of stuff.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: The only thing that can kind of hesitate me at times with swimming is if we're just doing too much overhead reps, if a guy's swimming freestyle.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I love it.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: Just overload and overhead.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, right?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: And the shoulders aren't meant to be there to begin with.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was just thinking of like um low impact but still high cardio.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I would do like what we want to do because some components would do swim sprints, you know, like freestyle, like sprint down as fast as you can, swimming 50 50 meters or whatever, and then take a break.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then do a like a one-by-one conditioning kind of regimen.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like a man, I'm dead.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna drown.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Easily could.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I guess I'd say the hard part is just making sure my guys find a pull when they're when they're on the road, you know.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: So just trying to make it as I guess universal as possible.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but that's good.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's a good consideration of like just re overloading the overhead movement.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: It might not be Is there another thing we can do without the risk?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, we're still getting a benefit, the risk-benefit ratio.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same thing with the elbow where it's guys like, oh, I want to train my forearms, you know.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: I threw yesterday, not throwing today.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna train my forearm.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, well, now you're just crushing your forearm again, and all of a sudden you have an overuse injury of the forearm, and now we're exposing, you know, the UCL to other things.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the same thing I would think maybe with swimming, and that's the guy with like breaststroke, you know, but still again, I'm just thinking out loud, yeah, right.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: But just something I would want to monitor.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then again, we'd use the technology in the building that should be able to test.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you swam yesterday.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: We should see after your you know, high cardio day or uh, you know, your heavy output day, we should actually see an uptick in some of your strength numbers on like the shoulder ERIR stuff.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: So you could easily test it in our facility, which would be really interesting to kind of look at.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: That is interesting.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be interesting.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um what do you feel like well walk us through uh your programming, like periodization, um uh just variations within the within like phases for sure.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, so there's there's kind of two ways you go about this, right?
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: There's your typical linear progression, which is you know, volume, hypertrophy, strength, power output, speed.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the problem with it is that is that baseball season is just so long, right?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: So if you hit a linear progression through the off-season, then you get a guy who's now in in-season, you're trying to taper off.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you can only do that for eight months before there's some kind of you know return on investment you're not gonna get.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: So the thing that I always try to run my guys through is just that conjugate training that you saw, you know, Louie and Westside Barbell kind of run.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: Granted, those guys are bodybuilders, we're talking about pitchers, but trying to touch everything at least once a week.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I will run them through some linear stuff in the offseason, especially a high school kid that's, you know, soaking wet 120 pounds and might fly away if he's on the mound and a good gust of wind comes through.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, we'll still hit a high pertrief phase for those guys.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: But for the more elite level athletes, we really take a conjugate style approach, meaning, hey, on your off day or the day you throw, we're gonna go hit a heavy strength day, right?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Can we get a heavy strength day in uh once every other week just to maintain?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Then after that, we'll taper it off.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is in season.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's sort of what the hardest part of our job actually is, is that how do you play an eight-month season and not lose the progress that you made over the four-month offseason?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: Where the problem is that if you're on a linear progression, you kind of build up and then the season starts.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: Now we have eight months to try to stay there.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: And if you're just not hitting the same squat deadlift bench that you were hitting in the offseason frequently enough, you're gonna lose it.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: Now, trying to balance that with a schedule of I don't know when I'm going to throw adds in another level of intricacy or you know, difficulty to actually kind of figure that out.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Now, if you have a starting pitcher, extremely easy because you know when they're gonna throw every single thing's way programming is way different.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Now, but you have a bullpen arm that pitches today and he might pitch tomorrow as well.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Trying to find when you can kind of sneak in those strength lifts makes it a little bit harder.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, what do y'all do for that?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um you might pitch, so just it might be lift playing on, you know, lifting on game day.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Again, which high school guys are always like, well, I don't want to lift on game day.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, well, hey man, if you're gonna play collegiate or professional baseball, you better get comfortable lifting on game day.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I would say most of our professional athletes are lifting in the morning on a game.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then they're gonna have to, you know, be ready to go that afternoon.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: Now they're not gonna be, if our guy is hot that day, meaning they're available to pitch, they're not gonna go crush a total body strength day.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do it more of a CNS primer move around, kind of get the joints and body moving.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we're still trying to find that time where if you throw and you know you're done, you're in the gym at midnight getting your full body lift in.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: So that the next day is a low day and you can keep it a true low day, kind of what we talked about a little bit earlier.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so again, it's kind of a fat and mouse game.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: They would lift after they throw that night.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, certainly.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: If they can, if they can.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: But with the new uh players' agreement a few years ago, every team has to give the away team a weight room.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: So Oh, I didn't know that.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's a new, that's a new part of the new CBA.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: So um they should have one at their disposal.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: They always they don't always, if it's super late, you know, hours.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: But oftentimes, if a guy throws, they're gonna lift, they're gonna go lift right after that because they're already, you know, adrenaline's pumped, they're super amped up.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just go finish that day off.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: Again, the high day is already high.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just make it fully high so that tomorrow can be a true low day.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that that makes sense.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I so with that being said, like these guys need to dial in their sleep big time.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Big time.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Can't party.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, can't party, no, no playing video games till 2 a.m.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, certainly, yeah.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: And again, our goal is gotta lift tonight at midnight.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's we gotta go.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Now, usually they're already at the field.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like night before, they're like, shoot, I was up till three.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like partying.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: And we tell them, like, hey man, you don't gotta get up there for four sets, but you gotta get up there and you gotta touch it.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you gotta touch nine RPE, 10 RP, just to feel it, you know, let your body get that stimulus and then we'll back you down.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: So we're talking these lifts can be shorter, two, three sets, you know.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, again, just touch the stimulus, hit the heavy weight, get out of the weight room, go recover.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: So that again, the next day is a true low day.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because if you don't get it in, then you just don't get it in.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get it in.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then what's that look like six weeks down the road?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, oftentimes not good.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: If you follow athletes, they're gonna PR in like March when the season starts because they followed that linear progression and they're hit, they're catching that peak at the right time.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like, okay, you PR'd in March, right?
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: How are you gonna feel in July and August, right?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: When you're 100 games in, 110 games in, guys are kind of falling away.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: What are you going to do?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: So for us, I always tell my guys, my goal is not to send you back PRing in March.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's for you to PR in July when everyone else is kind of breaking down.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: You're still maintaining right where you were before.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's the ultimate goal, right?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: And you do that by the conjugate training and ensuring that, hey man, you're not going to taper off and lose some of that strength or that power output you had because you're going to be touching it weekly as you kind of go out throughout the year or bi-weekly if possible.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I would say our pro guys, they are in the weight room six days a week.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: Now, what that actually does that mean they're lifting six days a week?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, but they have something in there six days a week that they're just again moving around, being fast, whatever it may be for the day.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: But again, we're trying to match throwing intensity to weight room intensity so that we're not getting that secret fatigue of your CNS being shot, though you might feel great and all of a sudden your velocity's down and you're starting to taper off when you should be kind of at your best.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: So and so you would argue, let's say, it's like, I feel good.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why my velocity is down.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: No doubt.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of it's there, the central nervous system is not ready, is just overwhelmed.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: Overwhelmed.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same reason why you see, like, you know, I'll use Eddie Hall as an example, right?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: The guy sets a huge deadlift world record.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I bet you if you asked him seven days later if he could pull half of that, he wouldn't be able to because the CNS is just so shot.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: Baseball is the exact same way.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you're working at 100% an explosive maximum output movement over and over again, the body has to have some kind of time.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't understand that throwing high volume, high intensity, and lifting high volume, high intensity are different to the body, to the CNS, as you know.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's the exact same thing.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's still being perceived as overwhelming.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's still being perceived as overwhelming.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: So again, trying to balance those days out, you're ready to go.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then you would say a lot of guys drop off in the season, they start getting like overwhelmed, broken down.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:37
  unknown: Yes.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: All star break, yes.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Around July, the second half of the year, especially into August, when they're like, hey, I'm home stretched.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: I got 30, 40 games left, you know, coming down the pipe, is when you kind of start to see the body break down.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Where so if they're not doing the things they need to be doing as best as they could be, when they return back from All-Star Break, they're like, shoot, I got like I'm halfway.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I got a lot more to go.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was just halfway.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it makes sense.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: Certainly.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and they start to lose that strength, they feel smaller.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of them lose weight because you're traveling.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, five months, you're living in a hotel essentially for eight months.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: So it's hard to actually get your calories in.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or the other way around.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: So that's again kind of the battle you you play.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: But again, our goal, what separates a professional athlete and a college athlete, in my opinion, is how bad their bad days are.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: So if we can minimize how bad their bad days are, and again, maybe you're not peaking in March and that guy's above you, but the end of the year, now he's way below you, and you've said the exact same, that guy's gonna get promoted and have more opportunities because they know when they give you the ball, exactly what they're going to get.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: That is our job.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a we're prime performance, not prime velocity, right?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: So our goal is to make sure that when the manager gives you the ball, he's trusting you to go get a job done, they have a really good, solid idea of what they're going to get.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: If they don't, you're not gonna have a job much longer.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Predictability, exactly.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so then the uh breakdown point for a lot of people to start withering down a little bit, come all star break.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: The conjugate training is the best way to maintain a high level of strength and performance throughout the season.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Tapering in and out of intensity and non-intensity, trying to work around pitching schedules when they're due to pitch.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then they try to maintain that through the rest of the season.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then come October, if they're not in the playoffs, then they rest, they took just take everything off for like 10 days.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then they get back and then they call you guys and they come to their facility and then they're there from late October until they leave in late January.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then we work with them remotely while they're actually gone.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: So um, just because they're not physically in person, they're we're still going through their data, still going through their reports.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of these orgs now do have the same technology we do.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: So we can still test them, get their numbers, and then we'll use those numbers to make adjustments to their program.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: So For example, if a guy, you know, he leaves and we see in April or May, hey man, your mid-rack thigh pool stayed the exact same on your peak power output, but your jumps are getting worse.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: We know you got to tailor it and try to sneak in an extra power day, right?
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Because like the total force output is still there, but the rate of force production has slowed down.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Try to, again, using all the numbers that we can to make informed decisions to help them kind of stay right where they are.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so when those guys leave, it's not like, hey, we'll see you in October.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I'm gonna talk to them basically every day, almost to a fault, probably of my own, where you know, I'm laying in bed at midnight watching box scores of guys throw, and then I'm, you know, we're trying to get their lift in after and see how they actually feel.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but again, what after that, like we said, it's just about maintaining, kind of keeping them in that middle range um throughout a very long season.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then off season starts.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like now we're fresh, and then what's that look like?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: So we like to start every offseason with the full reassessment to kind of gauge, you know, where the athlete actually exactly, where's our new baseline, how have the hips kind of changed throughout the course of a year.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, believe it or not, sitting on a bus for hours and hours and hours changes a lot of things about how the spine was moving.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: 100%, you know, how the hips are actually feeling exactly.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: So fully reassess and find out where they are.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because the way I kind of always say it is like the human body's here throughout the course of a season, it's gonna kind of pull you a direction, and our goal is to kind of pull you back to that center line.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we want to see how far off of that center line have we actually gotten to start our offseason.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, again, full movement assessment, learning how the scaps are moving, where the shoulders are resting, what their clavicle angle looks like, um, how their hips changed at all, any kind of stuff like that.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: What's your new body composition?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: What's our new for you know, rate of force production, um, total force output numbers?
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: And then from there, we have a little bit of time while they're not really throwing to kind of push it in the weight room from a pretty high um intensity standpoint and volume standpoint.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's going to be that first month, six weeks going to be attacking all the new issues that we've developed throughout the course of a seven, eight-month season.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so that's kind of what happens in October.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then as the weight room will kind of taper off as the throwing increases, you know, in that December, January um time period, um, kind of getting more baseball specific, if you will, getting ready for the actual skill and sport to be played again come February time.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, cool.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, hitting similar.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was gonna say this.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: So we're talking about lifting on game day.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I had didn't have a problem with it.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Me neither.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I played I played football, I played two sports in college.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: I played football, which was it was just D2, and then I played volleyball, which also is very similar to, I mean, like I said, volleyball.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: So that the the hitting movement with throwing, that's why I translated, but very similar training and and uh requirements is football because they're short burst, quick agility movements, you know.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, um, especially on volleyball, like we would have it was just like baseball season.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like sporadically throughout the week, a lot of games.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I would like I would lift on game day, you know.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I had a game at night at seven, I would lift at, I don't know, noon or eleven or something like that.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh I'd be tired, you know, I'd eat, I'd maybe take a cold bath or cold plunge or something like that, or just take a shower, rest, and then just a couple hours later rewarm up again.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd I'd be fine.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I have I don't have a problem with that.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: So, and I hear like younger athletes like, I don't want to get tired or fatigued.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, dude, you're gonna be fine.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be tough.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: Timing is time is important.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want you to max out and squat or bench press before you quit.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you're you're younger and healthier than what I was in college, you're gonna be fine.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I was fine.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're gonna be okay.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: And for college, for baseball, I'm sure volleyball is probably the same way, but it's like we played four games a week.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Two of those other days are travel days.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: So then when you're playing, your game's at seven, um, except for Sundays are at one getaway day.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: So when are you gonna lift?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you can't lift before a game, then you're not gonna lift at all.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then professional baseball, they play Tuesday through Sunday every single week.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: And those games were also six o'clock at night.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: So again, if you can't lift before, what are you gonna do?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're just not gonna get it in.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Just start getting used to it.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: Start getting used to it now.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's a mental barrier.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like just start getting used to it now.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Get over it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, because if you like you said, if you don't, then you don't, you know, like over several weeks and the strung and around, and that just comes into excuses.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sure does.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: Or my just like, oh, I can't, because now I can't lift them, uh, not be able to.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you're either gonna make it happen or you don't make it happen.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite one is um, well, I don't want to get too big from high school.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, hey man, I've been trying to get too big for like eight years now, yeah, and it's not happened by accident.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you are not gonna stumble into too big.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like look, shouldn't lift weights, guys.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Look at me, I'm I'm like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how'd this happen?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can't believe it.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I went to bed 120, woke up 230, and it's like, yeah.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I lost all my mobility.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, dude, relax.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: You don't you don't eat enough to get there, partner, you know?
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: So that's my favorite one I hear all the time.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know, like that is like the number one goal of all the bro frat dudes in college?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: They want to get jacked, and they lift a lot, and they don't do any sports, and they st and they so they're not expending all the other calories and things, and they only just lift and drink protein, and they're still not getting jacked.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: You think you're gonna outpace them by accident?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like you're younger, you do a lot more uh uh extrenuous things, like you're not gonna get jacked.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I put on our end too, like when you know females say the same thing, I'm like, you're not gonna, you're not gonna get jacked.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't worry.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not gonna stumble into that.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be okay.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you do, let me know how you did it.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'll need it.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be a trillionaire because everyone's gonna want to do what you did.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, get jacked fast.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: How I accidentally got jacked, you know.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh, it's awesome.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: So you had no problem with either.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: You would lift on game day, you felt time.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: Certainly, yeah.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Do it, you have to go eat, you have plenty of time to recover.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and again, if you're monitoring it and you know you're matching your days, then you're gonna be fine.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: So um, again, if you're a high school kid listening to this, start doing it because I we first I first got exposed to that because I had my same questions and when I was in high school playing football, we would have weightlifting on game day, and they were like, we gotta get our lift in, like, because we didn't, you know, this is the schedule, you know.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, But it's game day, you know.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, You're gonna be fine, you know.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you have time to eat, recover.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's new, it's 11 a.m.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: right now or nine, whatever.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Games at seven, you got plenty of time, and everything was fine.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: I actually felt like I played better on the days I lifted.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: Same.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think it gets you kind of going, you know, like if you especially when these games are at night and you sit around all day, it almost becomes exhausting because you're anxiously waiting um you know for that game to actually happen.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: So also argument like with like of a basketball player might be a little bit different.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly, because that's a lot more physically demanding to run up and down the court and jumping and stuff as a volleyball player.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and football is also very demanding, certainly.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh depending on their position, but um, at least you have series on and off, you know.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: But um, and it's being smart, like I'm not gonna max out that day that I'm acting.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: But um, volleyball, I never really felt like I was spent, you know.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Football games I've felt spent, you know.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: But and then also baseball, like as a relief pitcher, if you're sitting for the first seven innings, correct, you have plenty of time.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: And if you pitch one inning, you'll be okay, you know.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's uh yeah, and do you agree with that?
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_02: I do, yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, first of all, the life of a reliever is unique in and of its own, you know, but I do believe that.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, again, for a football player, am I gonna have that guy do a five by five back squat before the game?
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, but again, they could still do something, get their body primed and getting them used to moving extremely fast before they actually get on the field.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Again, it's probably gonna be do do numbers for you in a positive aspect.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, again, we're not you know pulling our RPE 10 deadlifts in there.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: You might be tired, but yeah, you do have time off.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: Basketball, um, that's one soccer is another one where you're constantly moving, where that's probably gonna be a different issue if your body's just actually out of carbs and stuff like that.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, probably not about dehydrated.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: But sports where it's quick, you know, it's one play, a break, one pitch, a break, you certainly can do it, I think, and and not only be fine, but actually benefit from it from an actual ready, you know, ready standpoint.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: I know that um well, I talked to some tennis, my some tennis pros and tennis people that play a lot, so and their schedule is very rigorous, of course, too.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: And they do the same thing.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then um uh talking with uh uh golfers, so that's that's another challenging one too, because they're you know, practice round on Wednesday, they play Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then they travel Monday, Tuesday, practice round again Wednesday.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if you don't lift, and you're like, Well, I can't, I need a recovery day.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then Tuesday, it's like, well, I'll have a practice round tomorrow.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like within end up just not lifting or doing any exercise.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Do y'all see y'all worked with any golfer?
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's very similar training, rotational strength, power, right?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we we have.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, actually used to work with a guy that was a professional long driver and would do it, and he actually thought there was a ton of correlation in the rotational aspect.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_02: There's some similar, um, some similarities in the actual golf swing to a pitching motion in terms of like front like block and and and redirecting energy from the ground up.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um from a rotational power output standpoint, certainly some similarities.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: You look at Bryson DeChambeau, he's probably arguably the strongest guy in tour.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: He also hits the ball the farthest.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: So it's definitely not happening by accident.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but with baseball, there are guys that are really, really strong, throw really, really hard.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's guys that aren't very strong, throw very hard.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: And there's also that same exact thing in golf where guys aren't very strong because they hit the ball very far.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: So to me, there's a trade-off of if I'm stronger, I have more room for error in my dashboard delivery and sequencing.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: Same with the golf swing.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: If you you can muscle it to a certain extent, and your sequencing can be off and you can still play pretty long.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but there's also guys that aren't very strong but sequence perfectly and can get the same, you know, velocity, power.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: Same with the golf, you know, on the on the golf course.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that would be the argument there would be the so the sequencing, the mechanical sequencing, yes, is the most important variable to delivering a high velocity.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Far and my thought was always with that was like so skill development.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Then I've done a podcast, but I'll get your opinion maybe next time.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: But like youth athletes, like, all right, the most important thing then to dial in is the coordination and movement control.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Be an athlete.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then be an athlete and then get the sequencing down.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then once you have that established, if you add muscle strength and power on top of that, then that creates a lot better.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Most certainly of like a performer.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: Most certainly.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, I always say it is that I should just completely lost my train of thought.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: So ignore completely ignore that.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: So the uh being an athlete.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: Being an athlete, yeah.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: Golf and baseball are very similar in this aspect as well.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: And you can tell me football and volleyball are the same, but it's we're not trying to be repeatable, we're trying to be adaptable because no two pitches are the exact same, no two golf shots are ever the exact same balls above your feet, below your feet, bad lie, good lie.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_02: So if you don't have the ability to adapt and be athletic, you become a robot and you're never gonna, you know, have the outcome you're looking for.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I say oftentimes with younger kids, that gets coached out of them being an athlete.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_02: And we're often asked, like, if my my son's eight, what should he do for pitching?
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's like he should go play shortstop and throw the ball as hard as he can all the time and let no one tell him what to do.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: Just grab the ball, throw it as hard as you can.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now, when you're 17, 18, there's a really good foundation of athleticism before we actually start adding in, you know, um, you know, mechanical stuff right of that nature.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: So totally that makes total sense.
• 51:11
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• 51:13
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• 51:16
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• 51:18
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• 51:18
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• 51:20
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• 51:22
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• 51:22
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• 51:27
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• 51:30
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• 51:32
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• 51:41
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• 51:45
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• 51:55
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• 51:58
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• 52:05
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• 52:11
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• 52:14
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• 52:16
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• 52:17
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