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Chuck & Buck 5-6 Hour 2: Headlines and Bill Krueger, Ken Walker's making the rounds and Reckless at Breakfast. · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Just JP have done again. He has hoarded back to
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  Speaker 1: the games.
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  Speaker 2: Let me only be the bottom of the third, but.
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  Speaker 3: JP gives a Mariner to go ahead runs.
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  Speaker 4: He is really starting to settle it at the top
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  Speaker 4: of that lineup. I was like, I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: we have enough proof of that yet.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much just walking and.
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  Speaker 5: Swinging for the fences.
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  Speaker 4: Hey worked out the last two games. That part.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say it has worked out the last two games.
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  Speaker 3: And Ryan Healy had a very interesting observation and conversation
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  Speaker 3: with JP about this. If you didn't hear our show yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna replace some of that later in our ABC's
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  Speaker 3: of the MS. But welcome into our second hour here
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  Speaker 3: of Chuck buck in the Morning Sports Radio ninety three
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  Speaker 3: point three KJRFM.
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  Speaker 2: Here on this home Ashley Ryan is here.
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  Speaker 3: My name is Chuck pow No Buggy Jacobson out for
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  Speaker 3: a little while longer, and so we welcome you to
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  Speaker 3: headlines brought to Vy Frostbrewed Corps. Like We'll start with
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  Speaker 3: the Mariners Mariners TV with a call of JP Crawford's
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  Speaker 3: home run last night.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron and Dave on the call.
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  Speaker 3: That was the only two runs that the Mariners had
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  Speaker 3: against Bryce Elder and Company and the Atlanta Braves.
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  Speaker 2: They jumped out to that too, nothing lead, but two.
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  Speaker 3: Run inning allowed by George Kirby in the top of
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  Speaker 3: the fourth, even though to George's defense, and he'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you himself.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't give up any hard contact.
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  Speaker 6: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: It was all crap.
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  Speaker 3: And so they tied it, and then Matt Olsen with
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  Speaker 3: a solo home run. He's the hottest hitter in the
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  Speaker 3: sport right now, off of Andres Munnos and the ninth
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  Speaker 3: inning and that holds up three to two the final score.
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  Speaker 3: Mariners get just three hits on the night score, just
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  Speaker 3: the two runs. And we can talk about all other
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  Speaker 3: things about the Mariners, but they're seventeen and twenty because
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  Speaker 3: they have not.
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  Speaker 2: Hit the baseball this year period, end of story.
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  Speaker 3: And so they still have a shot at winning a
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  Speaker 3: series against the Atlanta Braves, who have not lost the
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  Speaker 3: series all season long. They will play this afternoon one o'clock.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be Brian wu for the good guys. Going for
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  Speaker 3: the Atlanta Braves will be Martin Perez.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Their manager, Walt Weiss, he knows what's up. They knows
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  Speaker 3: the Mariners don't hit left handed pitching, so he's scrapping long,
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  Speaker 3: goofy haired Grant Holmes from his starting rotation this time around,
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  Speaker 3: and he's replacing him for the Mariners, and specifically for
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  Speaker 3: the Mariners with veteran left hander Martin Perez. So one
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  Speaker 3: ten is your first pitch. And speaking of pitchers, we
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  Speaker 3: will talk to Bill Krueger here in a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about pitchers for the Mariners, because there are a lot
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  Speaker 3: of interesting stories. Kyl Robby, by the way, returned to
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  Speaker 3: the lineup last night. Didn't look very good, oh for
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  Speaker 3: four with three strikeouts and the batting averages down at
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  Speaker 3: one point eighty, but felt healthy enough to give it
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  Speaker 3: a go last night. I wouldn't be surprised if he's
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  Speaker 3: out of the lineup again today. Then you give him
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  Speaker 3: a day off, your natural day off, and then maybe
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  Speaker 3: he's back behind the plate Friday night in Chicago against
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  Speaker 3: the White Sox.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll see how he feels today.
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  Speaker 3: Bryce Miller, it's going to start for Everett tonight and
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  Speaker 3: it could be his last ramp up start before rejoining
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  Speaker 3: the Mariners, or they might have him throw one more
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  Speaker 3: outing in Tacoma. And Brendan Donovan has started his reab process.
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  Speaker 3: I guess he hit a ball one hundred and nine
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  Speaker 3: miles per hour and one of visit bats, so he couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Be too far away.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll hopefully see all three of those guys healthy
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  Speaker 3: in a Mariner's lineup soon. NHL lottery last night, the
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  Speaker 3: Craken ended up with the seventh pick. The number one
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  Speaker 3: pick goes to the Toronto Maple Leafs. The Stanley Cup
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  Speaker 3: Playoffs saw the Colorado Avalanche win five to two over
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  Speaker 3: the Minnesota Wild. They have scored fourteen goals in two
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  Speaker 3: games in this series. They are up two oh Montreal
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  Speaker 3: at Buffalo. Game one is tonight, Anaheim at Los Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: Game two is tonight, with Vegas up one to oh.
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  Speaker 3: NBA Playoffs, the Thunder over the Lakers one eight to
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  Speaker 3: ninety Sga scored only eighteen points. It's the only time
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  Speaker 3: this season I think he's not scored twenty or more points,
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  Speaker 3: and yet the Thunders still roll over Lebron and the Lakers.
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  Speaker 3: Detroit has started their season with a ten point or
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  Speaker 3: their series with a ten point win over Cleveland one
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  Speaker 3: eleven to one oh one. Tonight, you'll have six ers
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  Speaker 3: at Knicks. You will have Timberwolves at Spurs. The WNBA
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  Speaker 3: will debut its brand new season on Friday. The Storm
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  Speaker 3: will be a part of that. They'll host the Valkyrize
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  Speaker 3: on Friday night. And in the National Football League, the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks have signed Dante Fowler junior, thirty one soon to
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  Speaker 3: be thirty two year old edge rusher, formerly of the
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  Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys and many other stops. But they've signed him
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  Speaker 3: to a one year, max five million dollar contract for
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  Speaker 3: the upcoming season. Also, NFL refs have reached an agreement
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  Speaker 3: with the National Football League, so you can bury any
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  Speaker 3: thoughts of replacement refs at any point in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk to Bill Kerker.
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  Speaker 3: It has been way too long since I have talked
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  Speaker 3: to the proud son of mcmanville, Oregon joining us on
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  Speaker 3: the program. The left hander one of the most knowledgeable
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  Speaker 3: pitching minds out there, Bill Krueger, is with us right
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  Speaker 3: here on Chuck and Buck.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 5: A good chuck? You know Midwestern ties. You know we
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  Speaker 5: never lose one another. That's what good neighbors do from
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  Speaker 5: the Midwest, right, but you set the bar high. That's okay.
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  Speaker 5: I want to reach high and deliver for you.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sending it high there, you know, and I
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  Speaker 3: have every confidence in you.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you off to? You're driving somewhere this morning?
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  Speaker 2: Where are you off to?
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking for a good place to stop. I'm just
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  Speaker 5: a little off my schedule. But yeah, I'm just working
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  Speaker 5: my way into my first meeting. So I apologize for that.
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  Speaker 5: I should be uh off the off the pedal here shortly.
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  Speaker 3: No worries, No worries at all. I got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of things to discuss with you. We got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of pitching things to discuss with you, mainly, and so
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  Speaker 3: let's dive into it. And I want to start on
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  Speaker 3: the back end. Let's start with the closer. I keep
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  Speaker 3: defending andres Munos. I don't see anything terribly wrong with him,
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  Speaker 3: but the results obviously have not been the same. What
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  Speaker 3: do you see out of muniosh that is allowing him
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  Speaker 3: to have a six e R at this point in
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  Speaker 3: the year.
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  Speaker 5: Well, giving up five runs in two two thirst and
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  Speaker 5: any against uh against the brace and then awful collapse.
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  Speaker 5: You put a five spot on a guy that pitches
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  Speaker 5: you know one any three times a week and it
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  Speaker 5: takes a while for that to wean itself off of
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  Speaker 5: your e R. So I'll say that Andres has never
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  Speaker 5: been a guy that has pinpoint control. He wins with
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  Speaker 5: the incredible movement velocity, and uh, that's what he wins with.
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  Speaker 5: And I think, what's what's happening a little bit? It's
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of Murphy's law, But I think you know,
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  Speaker 5: the league is changing, and by that I mean in
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  Speaker 5: the last two years since they've taken away the Rover.
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  Speaker 5: If you played softball, you know what, the Rovers that's
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  Speaker 5: the guy that's that in baseball stood in right center
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  Speaker 5: and baseball sort of said, okay, well we're just not
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  Speaker 5: going to have as many left hand hitters in our lineup. Well,
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  Speaker 5: the Rovers gone, and if you watch the lineups, the
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  Speaker 5: marriage have been seeing more and more stacked with left
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  Speaker 5: handed hitters. And I think still munos is. I think
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  Speaker 5: they're hitting like two eighty off of them and slugging
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  Speaker 5: like five point fifty left handers. And he's given up
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  Speaker 5: both of his home runs against left handers. His slider
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  Speaker 5: is not as good against left handers, and his change
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  Speaker 5: up is not a pitch that he really really believes
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  Speaker 5: in to give him something to offset his fastball against
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  Speaker 5: left hand hitters. He has a tendency to fall hard
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  Speaker 5: toward first, so he has a hard time taking that
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  Speaker 5: slider and landing it like on the outside corner or
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  Speaker 5: bringing in and out the outside corner a left hand
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  Speaker 5: hitter because of the fact that he flies open so hard. Now,
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  Speaker 5: should he work on his mechanics. Sure, I think he
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  Speaker 5: needs a little timing. He needs to stay a little closed,
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  Speaker 5: a little longer, to allow him to have better better
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  Speaker 5: command of his slider and his fastball in general. But
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  Speaker 5: I think figuring out left handed hitters is going to
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  Speaker 5: be really critical to him. He's the league's never hit him,
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  Speaker 5: he's never given up homers, He's had a tendency to
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  Speaker 5: walk a few. I'm not horribly worried about him. I
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  Speaker 5: think the numbers stare at you because of the five
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  Speaker 5: spot he gave up in that meltdown game where everything
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  Speaker 5: went wrong. I mean filay of fish, fil ay of fish,
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  Speaker 5: you know, butcher boy chopper, you know, I mean, it
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  Speaker 5: went all wrong for him. But he's not as good
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  Speaker 5: as he should be or can be. But as long
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  Speaker 5: as he's healthy, I think we're still looking at the glass,
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  Speaker 5: you know, glass half full. Things will get better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. Bill Krueger is
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 3: What about Louis Castillo though, any concern there that he
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  Speaker 3: might not come out of these early season.
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  Speaker 5: Struggles, Well, we seen it before a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 5: He really ready couldn't get any left handed hitters out.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, you look at the body of work
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  Speaker 5: three years, maybe innings, thirty starts, three and a half
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  Speaker 5: era and it just doesn't seem to matter. It's almost
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  Speaker 5: like clockwork. Is Is he the same guy that the
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  Speaker 5: Mariners got, you know, four years ago or whatever it
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  Speaker 5: was the playoff the second after that one season? Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't have ninety nine in his back pocket anymore.
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  Speaker 5: So he doesn't he doesn't have it every day to
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  Speaker 5: win above the line. And his last start, he had
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  Speaker 5: that juice the first four innings and then you know,
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  Speaker 5: he lost the count, he walked, he hit a guy,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, defense maybe a little shaky and they
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  Speaker 5: ain't got away from him. But when he does lose
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  Speaker 5: the count, and again we're talking about league is stacked
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  Speaker 5: and it's not his strength, right, he's I mean, he
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  Speaker 5: just wipes out rioties for the most part because his
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  Speaker 5: slider's a much better pitch against them. He just owns righty's.
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  Speaker 5: So the answer is, I'm not really worried about him.
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  Speaker 5: I think that he will be okay. I don't think
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  Speaker 5: eighty percent fastball is like the game plan. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what Peralta had been told before the game, but
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  Speaker 5: you can put more than number one down. Of course,
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  Speaker 5: we don't use fingers anymore. Yeah, he's throwing too many fastballs.
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  Speaker 5: He's got to throw his change up more. If I
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  Speaker 5: were Pete Woodworth in Luis, I would pull up that
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  Speaker 5: Cincinnati Reds tape when he was like Mario Soto Junior
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  Speaker 5: had a change up that was one of the best
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  Speaker 5: in the National League. We don't see that change up anymore.
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  Speaker 5: What he had that must have had more depth on it,
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  Speaker 5: something that had a little bit more movement, a little
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  Speaker 5: more speed killed from his fastball, which is more important
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  Speaker 5: now than ever because he doesn't throw his hard He
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  Speaker 5: needs that pitch. He needs that change up. He needs
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  Speaker 5: it to the lefties. He needs to work on it.
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  Speaker 5: He needs to throw it more. He needs to throw it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and just throw it early in the count.
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  Speaker 5: Just get it in your repertoire. Start using it more,
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  Speaker 5: playing catch with it more. I think because his fastball
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  Speaker 5: is not gonna get better, he's gonna have better days.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the Yankee gamer in the season, and he
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  Speaker 5: had the big, explosive fastball, and he just took names
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  Speaker 5: this last start. He had it going on. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: like I said, one bad inning kind of foiled him.
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  Speaker 5: So the answer is, I still believe he's a quality
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  Speaker 5: starter in this league. I think he's got really good confidence.
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  Speaker 5: And just make a little change in your repertoire. You
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  Speaker 5: gotta throw some more, some more off speed stuff. You
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  Speaker 5: gotta throw your change up more.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's get to the million dollar question than here
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  Speaker 3: in town, and it's a There are a lot of problems.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of problems with the Mariners. This
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  Speaker 3: is actually a good problem. They have too many starting pitchers.
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  Speaker 3: Once Bryce Miller gets activated from the injury list, and
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  Speaker 3: I just saw him last night and he looks like
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  Speaker 3: physically phenomenal, right now.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you do?
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  Speaker 3: What do you do with the rotation once Bryce Miller
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  Speaker 3: proves that I'm ready to rejoin the roster.
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  Speaker 5: Well, sometimes when we played the old game of musical
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  Speaker 5: chairs and music stops and you don't have a chair,
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  Speaker 5: and it's not fair. He's had a year of injury
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  Speaker 5: and inconsistency while someone that was near his draft class
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  Speaker 5: is zoomed ahead of him and belongs in the rotation.
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  Speaker 5: That's Emerson Hancock. He's not leaving the rotation. He's pitching
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  Speaker 5: too good. He's made some nice adjustments. He's arguably our
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  Speaker 5: best starter right now based upon this simple size, and
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  Speaker 5: that's horribly exciting. When we start talking about why to
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  Speaker 5: be excited about mirior or baseball, that's one of them. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: So if it were me and it's not, I'm your
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  Speaker 5: armchair guy, I got no pressure. I would put him
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  Speaker 5: in the book because he could be a guy in
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  Speaker 5: the middle of the game that could really help this team.
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  Speaker 5: They're short in the bullpens. They're short. They're short anyway,
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  Speaker 5: even with their their their quartet down there, they need
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  Speaker 5: another arm if they're going to READI compete the way
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  Speaker 5: the baseball's play, the way the Mariners play it close
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  Speaker 5: to the vests, cut it into pieces. Even with our
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  Speaker 5: starting pitching. Albeit Gilbert went six oh by the way,
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  Speaker 5: he won the game. What a novel thing, and you
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  Speaker 5: kept your pitch count down you won. Yeah, that's how
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  Speaker 5: you win. Keep your pitch count down. That's more. Pitching
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  Speaker 5: innings and staying in longer is more important than how
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  Speaker 5: many strikeouts you get my opinion. Yeah, But getting to
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  Speaker 5: your point, I put him in the bullpen. I think
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  Speaker 5: he could be a real weapon. He certainly replaces he
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  Speaker 5: could replace Brash. Maybe not Brash because Brash has been
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  Speaker 5: there and done that. But you're gonna put ninety eight
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  Speaker 5: with some equipment down there, and a guy with a
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  Speaker 5: coup is a cool customer and he's relieved before. That's
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  Speaker 5: where I put him. It's a hard conversation. It's a
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  Speaker 5: hard conversation to tell him that he's not going to
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  Speaker 5: be in the rotation. But you're gonna have to say, look,
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  Speaker 5: we have a championship quality team here. Do you want
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  Speaker 5: to contribute to being a championship team. You're never going
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  Speaker 5: to be lost as a starter. We still believe in
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  Speaker 5: you as a starter. But right now, that's where we
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  Speaker 5: need you. That's the conversation. For me, That's that's where
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  Speaker 5: I'm headed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't I think that Maybe that's that's
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  Speaker 3: an idea that I've entertained on the airwaves and for
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  Speaker 3: the reasons that you've mapped out, especially since Brash went down,
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  Speaker 3: But the way they're stretching him out every single outing,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like that's what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think, I know what you think? I
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  Speaker 3: know what you would do. What do you think they
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  Speaker 3: will do?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not a believer in six man that's the
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  Speaker 5: that's the easy way out, and that's not good. You think, oh,
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  Speaker 5: that's great. You know, everybody gets their turn, everybody gets
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  Speaker 5: a ribbon. Yay. No, we're playing to win. Okay, five
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  Speaker 5: ban rotation. You got good pitching, You want your pitching
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  Speaker 5: to your best pitch is to come around more often.
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  Speaker 5: I think in the back of their head they go, wow,
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  Speaker 5: this is really great because we worry about wu. You
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  Speaker 5: can't have another Tommy John. He's got those spunky mechanics.
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  Speaker 5: We worry about him. Blah blah blah. Another day of
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  Speaker 5: rest for luise Ooh that's a good idea. Maybe you'll
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  Speaker 5: have more juice now you can. You can convince yourself
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  Speaker 5: that's a good idea. Uh and so yeah, yeah, it
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  Speaker 5: could be a six man rotation. Uh are you gonna
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  Speaker 5: eat twenty three million? Are you gonna put Louis Castillo
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  Speaker 5: in the bullpen. I don't think so. Twenty three million.
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  Speaker 5: I believe next year as well for Castillo. Yep. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: So unless something really horribly sideways goes because the other
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  Speaker 5: the other play is Castillo has another sideways one and
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  Speaker 5: then they come up with that interesting kind of arm fatigue.
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  Speaker 5: I l And what that means basically is we're just
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  Speaker 5: pulling the plug on you. Maybe you need a little rest, regroup,
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  Speaker 5: and we'll revisit in a couple of weeks. Uh, he doesn't.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he's gonna go for that. So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I billing him up is not a bad thing. I
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  Speaker 5: mean it's uh, you know, he gets gets to touch
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  Speaker 5: his pitches, he gets arm strength. Yeah, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that pitching him more in that and keeping him going
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  Speaker 5: that way it is a bad idea because anything can
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  Speaker 5: happen to the spur of the moment, hangnail, an injury, something
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  Speaker 5: changes before he's ready to go. So keep kids, don't
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  Speaker 5: make that decision until you have to. But I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: they're having the conversation that you and I are having
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  Speaker 5: right now.
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  Speaker 2: They've been having it for weeks, right, So there you go.
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  Speaker 5: Six man rotation. I don't like it. Luis the arm fatigue,
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  Speaker 5: I l wow, will he like that? Louisa the bullpen? Nah,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I'd rather have Bryce Miller in the bullpen. You know,
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: the argument is, Bryce, you haven't been good in the
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: last year. You've been hurt. We haven't been able to
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: count on yet. So this is where we go. He
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: could be a weapon down there for us. That's where
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: I'd be headed.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Explain Emerson Hancock's success this year. You've done plenty of
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: evaluation of him over the years where he wasn't quite
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: getting where they thought he could be. And now all
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, as you mentioned, he's been our best
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: pitcher so far this season.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Why the turnaround? As far as you can.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: See, he's he's he clearly has some metal, and he
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: you know, the fact that he was a number one
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: pick and has had you know, been be set by
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: arm injury in the mior leagues, and he fell behind
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: his draft class, and and then he got a couple of,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: you know, decent auditions. But as soon as he as
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: soon as he tripped, he was out of the rotation,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: and he just sort of said, I've got to make
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: a change. Something's got to change. Uh, my fastball change
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: up is not good enough with a mediocre slider, So
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: he dropped his arm angle of fuzz and the upshoot
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: game is the game. Now we were always taught, Jock,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: and I'm sure when you were growing up, Hey, get
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: get on top of the baseball, throw the baseball downhill.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: The bats on the lebb of playing. You want to
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: be going downhill toward the plate. Well that's still good,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: but in today's game, with the taller strike zone, the
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: upshoot works. So he's got that little upshoot just like
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: WO does, not quite like Wu, not quite like Castillo,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: but the idea that you kind of kind of give
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: the illusion that your ball's coming in and it's just
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: above the plane of the bat. And then he's got
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: this frisbee slider that's suddenly giving him some spin that
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: he didn't have, and it also gives him a speed
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: changer and a lane changer. He didn't have either of those.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: So he's throwing this thing seventy three to eighty and
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: he throws his fastball in the mid nineties. He's still
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: got the change up, and he's getting smart like people
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: are are what WU hasn't done, and kaz lead with
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: that mediocre slider, lead with the change up mix it in,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: and he has done that and shows some real smarts
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: on that and then he can just you know, hit
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: that top line and you know he's he's showing to
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: me that this is to stay. Yeah, I means still
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: gonna have a challenge because the league is left handed
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: and he is a flat armed guy, so that's always
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: going to be a bit of a problem. He threw
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: his slurviy whatever you want to call it, to the left.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: He's better this last start against Kansas City. Uh, and
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: he hasn't hit the ball like in Bull Durham. He
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: hasn't hit the ball and won the state. He didn't
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: do that last game. He's usually good for one of
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: those a game, you know, so because it's a hard
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: pitch to manage, throwing it like that and swinging it
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: all the way across the plate like he does. But yeah,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm uh, I'm excited for him. And uh he's
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: shown great metal. He's got talent and h he wants
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: to be he wants to be great, which is fantastic.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: And I you know, when you look at this team,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: as much as we are disappointed and they are banged up.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: You know, I'll tell you what, you got an everyday
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: second basement and you got a middle to the upper
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: end of the rotation starter in a month. And you
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: could have said that before the season started, Right, So
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: I kind of think, as things are not where they
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: should be, that's that's great, and that gives you a
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: lot of hope as we start to figure that the
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: guys that we expect to hit are gonna hit, and
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: the guys that are gonna get healthy are gonna be
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: healthy and they're going to be better.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Yep, I agree, all right, in our last minute that
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: we have, I want to exqueeze one more thing and
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: then we appreciate it. Yeah, how much should we read
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: into a first year professional pitcher dominating double A.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not. It's not a brand new story. We
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: just didn't cover the double A. Guys, you know number
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: one picks pitching the double A. And you know, going
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: back to you know, the beginning of time, guys have
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: been straight out of college dominant, go to double A dominate,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: and they don't go straight to the big leagues. Of course,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: we don't require you know, five hundred datings anymore. So
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: I think it's good for him to be a pro.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Be a pro, you know, learn to be a pro.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: You've been a college pitcher, you've been a high school pitcher,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: and learn to.
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: Be a pro.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: And you know, hopefully not hopefully, I mean getting some
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: different situations. I don't know if that means going to
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Triple A to maybe face an older hitter wouldn't be
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: such a bad thing. I just don't think he's quite
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: got the inners inning's under his belt, and the club
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: doesn't really have a spot for him right now. So
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: whether that it sort of becomes like obvious that they're short, Look,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: do they need a left handed starter? Absolutely? Have we
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: watched left hand hitting kind of make it tough for
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: us and we end up having to make changes in
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: the middle of the game, which is really what's made
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Dan have his ups and downs. Because Chuck, he used
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: to be the seventh and eighth and maybe the ninth,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: that's when the pinch hitting happened. Now the pinchating happens
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: in the fifth and the sixth because starters are out
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: of pitches and the game is either going to go
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: one way or the other. Either either you score and
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: you bring in your good guys or you don't and
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: they bring in their good guys. That's why the fifth
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: and sixth become this moment of truth and end up
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: having to like wear it if you make the switch,
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: and then those guys have to come back around again.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Now you got a bad ride. He in no ralely,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: no can zone. So left handed pitching would would? I
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: mean they went and got Squarez. I mean they're they
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: realized they need more left handed pitching. But having a
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: left handed starter, and if you're you're serious about the playoffs,
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: that's where it could be interesting. You bring him up
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: in September and uh, you know, making qualify for the playoffs,
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: and then maybe he can be a guns of blazing
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: lefty because you know you're going to have to face
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: some teams with some deep left hand hitting and you
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: could have him in your rotation. I'm I don't think
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: it's now. I'm pretty sure about that. Right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you've met the bar.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Not only have you met the bar, Bill Krueger, you
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: have exceeded the bar. You cleared it by a foot.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: We can actually raise the bar the next time we
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: have you on because you had so much clearance of
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the bar.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Just think if I can learn the Fosbury flop, I'm
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: doing the Western role right now. Yeah, I can learn
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: the Fosbury flop very cold.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: That mean, it's a very uncomfortable, awkward thing to start with,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: but it rarely will benefit you in the long run.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: All Right, Bill, thank you very much.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: All Right, have a good one. All Right.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Bill Krueger joining us right here on Chuck and Buck.
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• 23:19
  Speaker 3: us here today. It's been too long since we've chatted
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: with Bill, and he really can break down pitching like
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: few others.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: That was fantastic stuff.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I mean a lot of That's the thing that's going
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the best is our starting pitching. And yet think about
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: how many questions that we had to have Bill Krueger
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• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So get on out there, maybe play some table games,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the world's your oyster.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk some Ken Walker. He made some
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: headlines yesterday. He's been doing sort of the car wash
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: interview process and not really hiding anything about how much
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: he wanted to get out of Seattle. As he made
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: it very clear that he was considering this. In the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: middle of this past season, and maybe even prior to that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: He was on with Mike Florio Pro Football Talk his
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: podcast and mapped it out for us.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: What was the moment that you knew, because it had
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: to be tough, you accepted that this just isn't going
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: to work out for me to stay in Seattle, to
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: take care of my family, take care of my best interests,
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: I'm going to have to go somewhere else.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I will say probably, if I'm being honest, probably
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: like sometime during the season, you know, things didn't work
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: out how you know, I was expected to and sorry,
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: you know, it worked out of the team. So but yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: sometime during the season and then we get to free
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: agency and you know, or yeah, free agency and he's
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: pretty much knowing like you weren't going to be there
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: any more.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Well, me, personally, I wasn' gonna be there any more.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we kind of had that thought though
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: more than that, I think it was very obvious.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: But the frustration that you had was I mean, that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: was a two way street, you know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not surprised at all. I mean, Greg Bells told
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: us throughout the course of the season that he was
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: frustrated with his role and he wasn't getting his carries,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: and it was his free agent year. It's fine for
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the first three years, but now this is the year
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: where I need to be the number one so that
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I can show everybody how great I am. Why aren't
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: you giving me the ball more? And yet, ken Walker,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: let's be honest about it. For four years, two head coaches,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: both of which were big fans of him. Yeah, and
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: we know John was a big fan of him. Yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: was doing very frustrating things. He frustrated Pete because he
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: wasn't hitting the hole he was. He'd take too long,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: he would dance away.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: From where the play was designed. I mean, you heard
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: me a couple of times.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: There was one game this past year, I'm like, is
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: ken Walker ever going to run where the plays designed?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: And that was frustrating for Pete, and Pete laid into him,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: if you remember, and Pete didn't do that very often
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and sort of got in the doghouse at the tail
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: end of was it his rookie season or is the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: second second season?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And then with Mike obvious, it was very obvious.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: There were times in the game and crucial moments, ken
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Walker was being taken out and Zach Charbonay was being
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: left in in critical moments of the game.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Because they had more faith he was going to get
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: it done.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: They had more faith that he was going to do
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: what was being asked of him to do. Now, I
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: mean never, at any moment, I can promise you did
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Pete Carroll or Mike McDonald not believe in the talents
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: and the abilities of ken Walker. But he was in
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways his own worst enemy. And they
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: were as frustrated with him as he was that he
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: wasn't made the clear cut number one. And he said
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: as much. I mean, I think he and Zach Charbonnay
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: got along just fine. I don't think there was any
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: tension between them as far as I could tell.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: But he called about by name.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was he played off as a joke,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: you're stealing all my touchdowns, but he said it publicly.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And you knew there was a little bit of hurt
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: feelings behind that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, But again, it was his job to win, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: he had opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, and he did
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: not do it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: And by the way, you were winning the whole season
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: long and just kept getting better. So how bad could
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: it really have been? And then you were good to
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: go for the playoffs. Now on the flip side of it,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I mean we had Hugh Millens said just outright. I
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: think a lot of us were thinking it. I kind
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: of danced around it. But when Zach Sharponay went down,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, Hugh said, that might be a really great
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: thing for the team because now you have to give
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the ball to Walker. And there was something about the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: way Walker was running. I've had my chiefs friends ask
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: me about Walker now that he's a Kansas City Chief's
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: if that Le'Veon Bell stuff that he was doing in
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: the playoffs is something that he just figured out just
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: in time for the playoffs that helped the Seahawks win
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a world championship, and if he can carry that over
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: into the regular season. And what I'm talking about is
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: just the extreme patience, like you swear when you watch
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Le'Veon Bell, like you are waiting too long to make
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: your move. But Walker doing that, letting the blocks set
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: up in front of him, being extremely patient.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And then what.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Walker has that Le'Veon Bell never had was burst So
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: if he could marry that patience.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: And not just I'm going to run out. There's no
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: hole there getting out of here.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm parachuting out of this play. If he can
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: marry that patience of I'm gonna.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, where's there it is, and he can
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: marry that with his explosion, I mean, Le'Veon Bell was
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: one of the best running backs in the National Football
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: League for four years with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: When he got in the wrong system with the Jets,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: he was nothing. Ken Walker might have the opportunity to
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I just kind of figured something out. I figured it
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: in time to help the Seahawks win a Super Bowl.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And I may have figured it out in time where
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I can still prove to the world that I am
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: an elite running back because he never did prove it
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: here in Seattle well.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: And he could never stay healthy either.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, he does a lot of his postseason success
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: to the fact that he shared those carries with Zach Charbonay,
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: because that, I think is why he had the durability
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: to last through the postseason. I don't trust that he
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: would have had that had he had every carry all season,
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: because he hadn't shown it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: Yet.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Another part of the story by the way, yesterday I
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Pro Football Talk is Megan the rounds. Greg Bell got
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: involved in it, and Gregg's reported that he was offered
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: a twelve million dollar deal to stay here. Now, he
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: obviously got more than that, but that just shows you.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Seahawks did value him. Yeah, they just
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: didn't value him so much that they were going to
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: pay top market dollar for a guy that had frustrated
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: them for four years because they knew how great he
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: could be and never did actually become great until the playoffs.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: This past year.
• 32:29
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• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Looks by Bucky Jacobson over the years, by Ashley Ryan
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  Speaker 3: over the years. I would imagine I got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of iroll. I can hear your eyes rolling sometime.
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  Speaker 6: Listeners they send irol emojis constantly.
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  Speaker 3: And now you YouTubers, you're just jumping a board just
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  Speaker 3: so you can roll your eyes at me. Fine, that's
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  Speaker 3: the point of Reckless at Breakfast. I'm trying to make
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  Speaker 3: you uncomfortable with some outside the box thinking. But today,
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  Speaker 3: today it's going to be more than discomfort. Today, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna make you. I'm going to say something that is
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  Speaker 3: really going to shock you, rock you at your heart,
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  Speaker 3: probably going to make you question your values as a human,
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  Speaker 3: make you wonder whether or not you know this life
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  Speaker 3: is really worth.
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  Speaker 2: Living under its current structure. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I'm nervous.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say something so radical, so difficult to
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  Speaker 3: swallow that maybe you'll just entirely rebel. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: we shall say giving me the So are you sitting?
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  Speaker 3: Actually you said it embraced?
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  Speaker 2: All Right, here we go. I'm ready.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Major League Baseball umpires weren't as bad as we thought.
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  Speaker 2: What I know, I'm sorry. This is a lot to
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  Speaker 2: take on.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, it wasn't prepared for that.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot to handle right now. I told you the sit.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's called reckless at breakfast, it's not called get
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  Speaker 6: ridiculously reckless at breakfast.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when this ABS challenge system came out, the numbers
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  Speaker 3: looked terrible for the umpires, Well guess what, they've kind
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  Speaker 3: of averaged themselves out. So we're now looking at a
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  Speaker 3: fifty three percent overall overturn. So there's still the players
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  Speaker 3: challenges are still ahead of the umpires, but it is
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  Speaker 3: shrunk considerably, and frankly, if it weren't for the catchers
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  Speaker 3: from behind the plate with the same viewpoint.
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  Speaker 4: Actually a better view almost because they're eye level.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're closer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if not for the catchers, the hitters themselves, all
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  Speaker 3: the Bucky Jacobson's of the world that had so much
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  Speaker 3: trouble with the umpires, right, they're actually losing in the exchange.
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  Speaker 3: They're only getting forty six percent of their calls overturned.
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  Speaker 3: And we are talking, by the way, about the pitches
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  Speaker 3: that are on the fringes.
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  Speaker 2: We are talking about the I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, they're still missing more than that, but they we
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  Speaker 3: we are challenging. We're only challenging, right. Hitters are only
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  Speaker 3: challenging the ones that are questionable right that close that
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  Speaker 3: they're sure are balls. Otherwise they're not doing They're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna use one of their two challenges. They're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: take it away from another teammate for the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the game unless they're sure. And it turns out they're
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  Speaker 3: not even getting half of them right. And so I'm
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  Speaker 3: not here to say. I wouldn't say this. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: here to say that umpires are great, that we got
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  Speaker 3: a great batch, They're all good. I'm just saying, maybe
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  Speaker 3: they're not as horrible as what we thought. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 3: what we are learning from the ABS challenge system. We
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  Speaker 3: are learning right now that the hitters don't have as
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  Speaker 3: good a view of strikes as they think that they did.
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  Speaker 3: They're not as right as they tend to think that
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  Speaker 3: they are. That the umpires are beating them in a
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  Speaker 3: head to head matchup at this point. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: surprised that catchers are beating the umpires, just not for
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the reasons that you just stated. So
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  Speaker 3: it's not been that embarrassing for umpires to this point.
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  Speaker 3: And now, as I pointed out, I think what we're
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  Speaker 3: going to learn from this, I think the best thing
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  Speaker 3: that might come out of this is the fact that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to find out.
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  Speaker 2: Who really are the bad umpires.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to have a statistic to attach to that,
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  Speaker 3: and Major League Baseball is not going to have an opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: To overlook that any longer.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to have cold hearted data that everyone has
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  Speaker 3: access to, that every baseball player, every baseball manager, every
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  Speaker 3: baseball fan can see C. B.
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  Speaker 2: Buckner is one of the worst in the game. We
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  Speaker 2: knew it.
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  Speaker 3: And there are about five worse than Buckner, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: and so we're gonna be able. If you took out
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  Speaker 3: the ones that are destroying the curve for the other ones,
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  Speaker 3: then then you got a really nice number. Now you're saying, like,
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  Speaker 3: eighty percent of the umpires are doing a hell of
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  Speaker 3: a job with balls and strikes right now, and we
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  Speaker 3: can just get rid of the bottom five or bottom
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  Speaker 3: six or so, then we can make it even look better.
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  Speaker 3: We can even be more consistent with our ball strikes call.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not been that embarrassing of a process. And
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  Speaker 3: maybe that's a great thing, not just for umpires but
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  Speaker 3: for baseball in general.
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  Speaker 6: Well yeah, And I think people would probably argue and say, well,
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  Speaker 6: is it possible that the ABS system is forcing umpires
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  Speaker 6: to be better?
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  Speaker 4: But isn't that what you want? Yes, So there's nothing
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  Speaker 4: wrong with that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you a great example of that.
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  Speaker 3: I watched a game Cincinnati Reds played last week and
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  Speaker 3: the pitchers walked seven consecutive batters. I think it was
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  Speaker 3: a major league record Wow, the Cincinnati pitchers walked seven
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  Speaker 3: consecutive I think they play in the Pirates.
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  Speaker 2: Seven consecutive hitters. They walked. It is part of like.
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  Speaker 3: Being a human being that when you see something struggling
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  Speaker 3: so severely that you can't help subconsciously to try to
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  Speaker 3: give them a little bit of help, right a human being,
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  Speaker 3: Umpire is gonna that was pretty close and that we'll
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  Speaker 3: almost have sympathy on the picture and call that strike
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  Speaker 3: so they can get them out of this rut.
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  Speaker 5: It's all.
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  Speaker 2: It's just part of the human condition.
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  Speaker 4: Right You all of a sudden become a little more lenient, right.
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  Speaker 3: And now that umpire credit to him is like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I get graded on that, bud, sorry about it. I'd
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  Speaker 3: like to help you out right now because you seem
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  Speaker 3: miserable and there's nobody in the bullpen to help you,
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  Speaker 3: because you're a reliever in the third inning right now,
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  Speaker 3: and I'd kind of like to help you. And in
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  Speaker 3: the old ways, I probably would help you right now,
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  Speaker 3: but I can't because I'm getting graded and judged on
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  Speaker 3: every pitch, So I got to keep calling these near
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  Speaker 3: missus balls and You're just gonna have to wear it
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  Speaker 3: because I'm not gonna wear it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So that's the benefit.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, yes, you you know, some people I think
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  Speaker 6: wanted it to embarrass bad umpires, and I think for
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  Speaker 6: bad umpires there have been some called out and it
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  Speaker 6: has embarrassed. Yep, good news there, and then for everyone
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  Speaker 6: else it's got a more on their game.
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  Speaker 4: Excellent news there. Yes, that's a win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love it, and I think more than anything else,
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  Speaker 3: more than just we're getting called right because it's not
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  Speaker 3: happening as frequently as we thought it was going to happen,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's given us a little extra thing in
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  Speaker 3: a game, in a baseball game to enjoy. Yeah, I
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: mean fans always get excited edge of their seat.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they're challenging.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was a quarter of an inch,
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  Speaker 2: can you believe it?
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  Speaker 6: Or like the one that was two and a half
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  Speaker 6: inches and you're just like, oh my god, how was that?
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  Speaker 4: It was two and a half inches?
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  Speaker 6: But that was the catcher trying to say, oh that
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: was definitely that was his first game, and he's like, no,
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  Speaker 6: that was a strike, and we all got to laugh, like, you,
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  Speaker 6: you idiot, how do you think that was a strike.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a great addition, it really has. And I
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  Speaker 3: kind of, you know, as much as we like to
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  Speaker 3: bag on umpires, I like to do it too. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: they aren't as terrible as what we thought they were,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that's great news.
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  Speaker 4: And if they were bad, hopefully they're getting better. It's
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  Speaker 4: a barfit.
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  Speaker 2: Spencer Allis is going to join us next.
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