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How They Erased the Most Extraordinary Beasts From History · Man in America Podcast

• 1:56
  Speaker 1: Imagine discovering that the creatures you grew up believing were nothing more than fairy tales, were actually real. Not myths, not imaginary characters invented to entertain children, but living, breathing creatures that once walked this earth. Creatures our ancestors saw with their own eyes. But there'd be evidence, right? I mean, come on Seth, this is a little too much, even for you.
• 2:31
  But what if there is evidence? And what if it's been hiding in plain sight all along? In ancient books, paintings, maps, in the bones of creatures that supposedly never even existed? You could walk into a museum and see it. You could open a book that's 500 years old and read about it.
• 2:56
  Visit a cathedral and find the remains hanging right outside the entrance. But you wouldn't recognize any of it for what it was. Why? Because long before you ever saw that evidence, someone had already taught you what to think about it. It's just a myth, a legend, another fairy tale.
• 3:23
  But what if it wasn't? For months now, I've been pulling apart the history that we were handed. The old world, the vanished architecture, the catastrophes nobody can explain. And the more I dig, the more I keep coming back to one question. If they've been lying to us about the history of mankind, What else have they been lying about?
• 3:49
  I want you to think about something. If you wanted to erase an entire chapter of history, how would you do it? You could burn the books, destroy the buildings, remove monuments, rewrite the textbooks. But what happens when the evidence is scattered everywhere, scattered across thousands of years, dozens of civilization, and nearly every continent on Earth. You couldn't possibly destroy it all.
• 4:23
  But maybe there's a much more effective way. You don't erase the evidence, you just tell everyone that it's something else. Now imagine applying that to something truly extraordinary. What if there's overwhelming evidence that creatures once walked this earth would seem absolutely impossible to us today. Enormous flying reptiles, dragons, unicorns, griffins, creatures that, if one were standing in front of you right now, would shatter everything you believe about the natural world.
• 5:03
  So how can you just explain that away? Well, what if you simply convinced the world that they were just a fairy tale to begin with? And you repeated those same stories generation after generation from cradle to grave. Most people would never even think to question them. But I started questioning them, and I found a big problem.
• 5:30
  When I open the ancient books, that's not how these creatures are described. I find historians writing about flying serpents with wings like bats, Explorers describing enormous dragons, their claws, their teeth, and even the methods that men used to hunt them. Ancient Chinese texts cataloging extraordinary creatures by what they looked like, how they behaved, and even where you could find them. I find unicorns in paintings of Noah's Ark standing alongside the horses and the elephants. In Europe, enormous bones still hang outside the entrance of a cathedral, bones that for centuries were believed to belong to a dragon slain long ago.
• 6:20
  Now, ask yourself something. What if these people weren't imagining any of it? What if they were describing the world as they actually knew it? And what if the reason these same creatures appear across so many different civilizations isn't because everyone somehow invented the same fairy tales, but because these creatures were actually here. But then another question becomes unavoidable: what happened to them?
• 6:53
  Were they wiped out in some ancient catastrophe? Could their remains have been dug up centuries later, reconstructed and given entirely new names? And maybe the most extraordinary possibility of all, what if some of them are still alive? Now, I know what happens when somebody suggests out loud that dragons were real. People laugh, you probably did a few minutes ago.
• 7:20
  And that's exactly what makes this so interesting. Because if you wanted to hide something extraordinary, what better way than to make the very idea of it sound ridiculous? You wouldn't have to destroy every painting or manuscript, map, or bone, you could leave it all right where it is. Because once you've convinced someone that something is impossible, they can look directly at the evidence and never think to question it. So tonight, I want to take you into a world that may have existed long before the history that we were taught.
• 7:59
  And I want you to hold one possibility open. What if dragons, unicorns, griffins, and the creatures of legend were once as real as the animals that we see today? And what if the greatest trick wasn't making them disappear, but convincing the entire world they never existed at all? Now before we jump into the details, I wanna take a step back. Why am I covering this topic?
• 8:31
  Why is it important whether dragons were real or not? Those are fair questions. And let me explain myself because I'm actually really intentional about whatever I cover on this show. Honestly, it's very important to me. I'm not just doing this to entertain you.
• 8:48
  Of course, there's nothing wrong with entertainment, and I hope that you find this actually really entertaining. I actually had a lot of fun putting this show together. But I'm covering this because I think it fits into a much larger picture that I believe is actually really, really important. The world that we live in is really screwed up. Like, you probably see it.
• 9:11
  Something feels very off. Something feels very wrong about the world. And, of course, it's easy just to blame the politicians or the media or the, you know, deep state cabal, but I think that there's something much bigger going on. Our true history has been erased, forged, and rewritten. I truly believe that.
• 9:37
  And the more I uncover the relics and clues that point to a very different version of our past, the more something is waking up in me. It's almost as if this obsessive dive I've done into hidden history is piercing the veil of lies and illusions in some sort of really deep way. Old world architecture, forbidden technology, world's fairs, orphans train... Orphan trains. Like, aren't just fun things to explore like I'm some kind of keyboard Indiana Jones.
• 10:10
  They're all pieces of this giant puzzle, which is our true history. And here's why I think this matters so much. What we believe about our past determines what we believe is possible for our future. So if we're convinced that mankind has always been primitive, always struggling, always dependent on powerful institutions to move civilization forward, then we're gonna accept a whole lot of things about the world that we probably shouldn't. But what if our ancestors knew things that we've forgotten?
• 10:46
  What if they've accomplished things that we've been told were impossible? And what if human civilization was once far more extraordinary than we've been led to believe? I think there are very important reasons why so much of our history has been lost, distorted, and hidden from us. Because if we understand how powerful that we actually are, how magnificently divine human culture once was, we might look at this absolute trash heap of a world that's been created around us and realize just how much we've lost. We'd no longer be satisfied with the bread and circuses that just keep us distracted.
• 11:28
  And, honestly, we'd become a lot more difficult to control. So I think that there are very powerful interests that benefit from us never trying to assemble this puzzle. And these, quote, mythical creatures, I think that they're another important piece of it because for for me, at least, when I look at this topic, when I look at these drawings, the descriptions, the detailed stories, the documented accounts, it fills me with this sense of awe and wonder. It makes me think that there is a whole lot more to this world than they let on, and I'm not gonna stop until I find as much of it as I can. So, let's go ahead and move on from my philosophical dissertation on My Little Ponies and Puff the Magic Dragon.
• 12:14
  Now, before we get into the nuts and bolts of tonight's episode, let me tell you how I'm gonna handle this. Because I know that some of you may be thinking already, Seth, come on. Dragons, unicorns, what's next? Mermaids. Maybe in the next show.
• 12:28
  Fair enough, though. Right? We were all raised in a world where certain animals are real and certain animals are imaginary. And almost nobody stops to ask who drew that line or when. But here's what I keep running into.
• 12:43
  For most of recorded history, people didn't draw it where we do. Right? You could open a serious book about the natural world, you know, from hundreds of years ago and find lions and elephants and crocodiles and dragons, like, sitting right next to each other in a very serious historical book describing the species of the earth. You can look at a religious painting, which we will, and find a unicorn standing beside animals that you'd recognize at any zoo. You could walk up to a European cathedral and find these enormous bones that generations of people believed came from a dragon.
• 13:22
  Now were those people always right? Of course not. But I'm done with this idea that our ancestors were a bunch of superstitious idiots who couldn't tell a real animal from a made up fairy tale animal. Like, these were the same civilizations that figured out mathematics, astronomy, navigation, and engineering that we still can't fully explain. Like, they weren't stupid.
• 13:47
  They were working with what they had, the same that we are. Now that said, I'm gonna hold myself to a standard here because I think that it's what makes this show worth your time. Sometimes an ancient writer is describing something that he saw with his own eyes. Sometimes he's writing down what someone told to him, and sometimes he's telling a story that was never meant to be taken literally. So they're three completely different things, and I'm gonna tell you which one we're looking at each time.
• 14:13
  So when there's an original account, where I'm gonna do my best to read the actual words. When there's a bone or an artifact, we're gonna look at the pictures. And when there's a modern explanation, I'll give it to you straight, and then I'll tell you what I think of it. Because I'm not doing this, and I'm not, like, interested in swapping one story that I'm told to accept another one that I'm gonna tell myself and make up. Like, I wanna actually know what happened.
• 14:35
  And the best place to start with this is actually one of the most respected historians who ever lived lived. This man who traveled through Egypt almost two and a half thousand years ago, and he said that he found a place where the ground was covered in the bones of flying serpents. So picture Egypt in fifth century before Christ. So the pyramids are already ancient. The great temples have been standing for centuries.
• 15:04
  And everywhere you go, people are telling you about the extraordinary things that exist just past the edge of the known world. Now somebody tells you that there's a place out near Arabia where the ground is covered with the bones of flying serpents. Right? Not just one skeleton, not some mysterious bone in a cave, an entire area is full of them. So what do you do?
• 15:27
  Well, if you're Herodotus, you go and look. Okay? So this guy right here, this is Herodotus. So he is the man that we literally call the father of history. So he traveled.
• 15:41
  He asked questions. He wrote down what he found. And his book, Histories, is one of the most important documents to survive from the ancient world that we've been given access to at least. So we quote him on Egypt, on Persia, on the Greek wars. Historians take him really, really seriously.
• 16:02
  But in book two, section 75, he tells us something that doesn't get read out loud very often. So these are... Here's his actual words from the, his particular translation. Quote, let me pull this up for you. These are his actual words right here.
• 16:19
  It says, quote, again, is his book on history. Okay. He says, there is a region, moreover in Arabia, situated nearly over against the city of Butoh, which... To which place I came to inquire about winged serpents, end quote. So stop right there.
• 16:37
  He didn't hear a story and write it down. He says that he went there. He says that he traveled to a specific place on purpose because he wanted to investigate these stories that he's hearing about these creatures, these these winged serpent creatures. So then he tells us what he found. So quote, he said, I saw bones of serpents and spines in quantities so great that is impossible to make report of the number.
• 17:05
  So end quote. He said he saw. He... No. Not...
• 17:08
  He's not saying he was told. He's not saying someone said something. He's saying I saw. So picture standing at the mouth of a narrow mountain pass with the plane of Egypt opening out in front of you and the ground scattered with so many bones, you can't even begin to count them. Heaps of spines, he says.
• 17:27
  He says, some bigger and some smaller. Now I'm gonna be straight with you about something because this is exactly the kind of distinction I promise. So Herodotus says that he saw the bones. He doesn't say that he saw a living flying serpent. The explanation for how those bones got there came from the people of the region, which matters.
• 17:48
  I'm not gonna pretend otherwise. But think about what we still have. One of the most careful observers of the ancient world heard a report about flying serpents. He thought it was credible enough to make the trip. He went to the location, and he found a field of bones that he believed backed up the story.
• 18:06
  Now keep in mind, you know, they tell us that, you know, the dinosaurs lived a 100,000,000 years ago, and they say, oh, okay. Yeah. So there was pterodactyls, and there were flying dragon type dinosaurs. But he's not describing an archaeological dig where they found some bones that were 60,000,000 years old. He's describing piles and piles of these bones laying everywhere.
• 18:29
  And so here's my question. You know, what were those bones? Were they snakes, something else? Was the whole site misread? Maybe.
• 18:38
  But he went there and he looked, and he was a very strict historian in how he documented things. That... That's more than most of the people who dismiss him have ever done. Now it gets better though because Herodotus also recorded while those bones were supposedly piled up in one place. This is interesting what he goes on to about this.
• 18:59
  So according to what he was told, he said that... He was told that the flying serpents came out of Arabia every spring, and they tried to get into Egypt, but then something was waiting for them. So the ibis, if you've never seen one, it's this strange looking bird with a long curved beak. In in Egypt, certain ibises were sacred. Now whether these were the same ibises that you go and see down in Florida lakes, I don't know.
• 19:27
  But the tradition that he recorded says that those birds actually met the serpents at the pass and then killed them before they could reach the country, and that's why all those bones were there. Now, here's the detail that I want you to hold on to. He describes the wings of these serpents, these flying serpents. So in the godly translation, he writes, quote, their wings are not feathered, but very like the wings of a bat, end quote. So not feathers, leathery wings.
• 19:59
  So a long serpent bodied creature with bat wings. And so if you go look at how Europeans drew dragons a thousand years ago, tell me what you see. I think I have a a picture here to pull up for you. Yeah. So here's an older kind of, I think it's a woodblock carving of some sort of of the European dragon.
• 20:19
  Right? So tell me what you see. Right? In... What you have here is how the Europeans represented the dragons, so enormous reptilian bodies with leathery bat wings.
• 20:31
  Now these are the European dragons, which, again, we can trace those back, whereas he's describing the serpents or dragons that he was seeing in Egypt. So different continent, different century, but this different culture, but the same way... The same wings. So am I telling you that he was looking at a medieval European dragon? No.
• 20:52
  Those traditions grew up separately. But I'll tell you what I think. I think that when two civilizations that never met describe the same unusual anatomy, that's worth more than just shrugging it off. But there's one more detail that caught me. He said that the serpents resembled water snakes.
• 21:14
  So what he understood was a serpentine animal, not some big four legged lizard. Now, the official answer here is that people saw ordinary snakes and religion did the rest. Okay. Could be, but it could be some sort of misidentified animal. But look at how much information is in his account.
• 21:33
  Right? So he gives us a location that you could walk to, that he walked to, a field of remains of the bones, and he described multiple sizes, near too many to count. They described behavioral patterns of the species, so a seasonal migration of these serpents that they would go in the in the certain time of the year, and they travel to a different region. He described a specific description of the wing structure of these. He described a specific predator of these.
• 22:01
  So that's not somebody that's making up a monster. That's somebody that's writing a report on a creature that I would appear... Appears to have lived. But... So Herodotus wasn't the only one who's writing about this.
• 22:18
  So we're not gonna jump forward about seventeen hundred years to the thirteenth century. Now we're in Asia at the height of the Mongol Empire when you could travel from China toward Europe along trade routes that moved goods, armies, information. Right? Think of the Silk Road. You know, they they would move things halfway across the world.
• 22:39
  And so in the middle of it is this guy that you probably know, his name's Marco Polo. We play Marco Polo in our swimming pool in the summer. So think about what that journey was. A a Venetian merchant walking into cities bigger than anything he'd seen in Europe. He's seeing wealth, technology, and animals that nobody back home would believe.
• 22:58
  So the book that came out of it became one of the most influential works of the medieval world. Historians argue about the details to this day, but nobody disputes what... That it's packed with real information about real places. And buried in it is a passage that almost nobody talks about. It's in book two chapter 49, and I've got the Henry Yule translation, describing a province of China called Karazhan, which is roughly modern, Yunnan in Southwestern China.
• 23:30
  So Marco Polo is going through the region the way that he goes through every region. Right? The geography, who rules it, what the economy runs on, you know, the gold in the rivers and the mountains, certain shells are used as money. But then in the same exact tone that he's just accurately describing the culture and everything in this area, you know, as as if he just kind of moving on to talk about the local wildlife, he starts describing enormous serpents. So I'm gonna pull up, a picture of the his book.
• 24:02
  This is obviously, this is the translated version of his book here. Okay, right here. So, okay, this is, again, it says here, Concerning a further part of the province of Khayrazhin. He's describing after leaving the city of Yaqi, you know, kind of describing, you know, finding gold dust, etcetera. And then he gets here, and it gets kinda interesting.
• 24:29
  Keep in mind, this is Marco Polo. This guy wasn't some strange conspiracy theorist. This guy's very respected historian. He says, quote, in this province, there are found snakes and great serpents of such vast size as to strike fear into those who see them, end quote. He doesn't leave it there though.
• 24:50
  He goes on to give you the size, the anatomy, the behavior, and how people hunted them. Okay. So I'm gonna read a little more here. Okay. He says, I will tell you how long and big they are.
• 25:04
  You may be assured that some of them are 10 paces in length, some are more, and some are less. Okay. So think about 10 paces is describing these serpents. 10 paces in length. You know, for, you know, how we look at things, a pace is roughly two to three feet.
• 25:21
  Right? So he's talking 20 to 30 feet long, some more, some less. He says, and in bulk, they're equal to a great cask. For the bigger ones are... Next page, are about 10 palms in girth.
• 25:35
  Now here's where it gets strange. You could say, Oh, well maybe he's talking about a giant anaconda, right? 10 palms in girth, you know, say 20, 30 feet long. You say, Okay, maybe he's talking about a crocodile perhaps, a big serpent. Okay.
• 25:52
  Again, this guy was... He paid attention to detail. That's why he was such a good historian. He continues. He says, they have two four legs near the head, but for foot, nothing but a claw like the claw of a hawk or that of a lion.
• 26:08
  Says the head is very big and the eyes are bigger than a great loaf of bread. The mouth is large enough to swallow a man whole and is garnished with great pointed teeth. And in short, they are so fierce looking and so hideously ugly that every man and beast must stand in fear and trembling of them. He says, there are also smaller ones such as of eight paces long and of five and of one pace only. Okay.
• 26:37
  So just think about what he's describing here. So they have these long things, they're very thick, They have two four legs with claws like that of a lion, but they had... They have a big head, he says, with eyes bigger than a great loaf of bread. Right? I mean, so not sure how big a loaf of...
• 26:59
  You know, for us, our sourdough bread is this big. Right? A loaf of bread is like the size of someone's head. So they have giant eyes. He says, the mouth is larger to swallow a man whole.
• 27:10
  It's full of teeth. Okay? And then... But he gets into... Listen to this.
• 27:14
  He goes, the way in which they are caught is this. This is even stranger. He says, you must know that by day they live underground because of the great heat, and in the night they go out to feed and devour every animal they can catch. They also go to drink at the rivers and lakes and springs. And their weight is so great that when they travel in search of food or drink as they do by night, the tail makes a great furrow in the soil as if a full ton of liquor had been dragged along.
• 27:44
  Okay. So he's now describing how they hunt them, which is really interesting. He says, now the huntsman who go after them take them by certain djinn, which they set in the track over which the serpent has passed, knowing the beast will come back the same way. They plant a stake deep in the ground and fix on the head of this a sharp blade of steel made like razor or a lance point, and then they cover the whole thing with sand so the serpent cannot see it. Indeed, the huntsman placed several such stakes and blades on the track.
• 28:14
  On coming to the spot, the beast strikes against the iron blade with such force that it enters his breast and rives him up to the navel so that he dies on the spot. And the crows on seeing the brute dead begin to call, and then the huntsman know the serpent is dead and come in search of him. And then he gets into... He says, then this this is the... How the beasts are taken, But they also say that, how...
• 28:39
  He goes to describe what they extract from the beasts and how the gall from the inside, sells a great ply... Price because the gall can be used if you're poisoned. I think he also says the gall can be used in aiding birth, to help quicken a woman's birth. Again, interesting stuff. But, again, this...
• 28:55
  So this is... Again, this is Marco Polo describing this. Right? So if if you said, okay. Hey.
• 29:01
  Cool. Seth's doing a show on dragons and mythical stuff. I'm not just gonna go show you kind of, hey. Here's a cool drawing from a painting. I I mean, these are original accounts, and this is why this is so interesting to me because you might say, oh, a show on dragons and unicorns.
• 29:15
  It's just some silly conspiracy show. Well, no. Like, there's actual... The detailed historical evidence of this stuff. And if these things are real, it completely changes everything about what we've been taught about our history.
• 29:29
  And so... But, again, so, you know, Marco Polo, you know, his book was not written as fantasy. It was presented as a report on the lands and the peoples of Asia, and that's how Europe read it for centuries. Now does that make every line accurate? No.
• 29:46
  I mean, some things Marco Polo collected secondhand, and the text came through a complicated chain of dictating and copying. Right? So just keep that in mind. But if you look at... Again, at this...
• 29:57
  Where this passage sits in the book, this passage is sandwiched between the tax system and the money supply. Right? So nobody puts a fairy tale in the middle of this detailed economic survey. Okay? And so, again, so continue it.
• 30:13
  So just kinda think about this. So he's talking about these things being 10 paces long. So depending on how we're measuring, that's, you know, 30 feet or more. He says that the big ones were as thick around as a great cask. So that's...
• 30:25
  You know, think about a barrel. Right? I mean, I can't show you on screen, but think about, like, a giant wine barrel. Like, it's it's... That's a big thing.
• 30:33
  But then he gives detail, details that kind of right off the the fact that it could be a snake. Right? He says, again, two four legs near the head ending in claws like a hawk or lion. So two legs up front. Okay.
• 30:48
  So then a massive serpent body, this huge head, jaws, he said, that were wide enough to swallow a man, and these enormous eyes. Now the standard explanation they... Again, as I mentioned, they say is it's a crocodile. And, you know, it's not it's not like an unreasonable kind of guess at this. Like, crocodiles, they get big.
• 31:06
  They've got jaws. They've got teeth, short legs, and they move between land and water. Now if you only had a vague secondhand description, a crocodile might be a reasonable guess, but it doesn't fit, and here's why. A crocodile has four legs. Marco Polo specifically said it had two legs up near the head.
• 31:25
  That's not a small detail to get wrong. And it's not the kind of thing that you'd invent. Right? If you look at a... If you're documenting and you're seeing a crocodile, well, a, you would probably say that it lives, you know, right near the water, where he's describing these things as living up away from the water, And they they they travel down to drink, but they also travel and run and and hunt.
• 31:45
  But if you saw a crocodile, you would obviously say it's a four legged creature. There's no way you'd say it only had two legs. And if you were making up a dragon, maybe you'd give it four legs and wings because that's what dragons look like in Europe by the thirteen hundreds. But he described something that didn't match the European dragon of his own era. So people who are inventing monsters don't do that.
• 32:09
  They draw what their audience expects. So what was it? I don't know. But I'm not just gonna file it, you know, as an animal with two clawed forelimbs under. He probably meant crocodile and just walked away.
• 32:22
  And the most interesting part, again, is him describing how they caught it. Okay? So this is... Again, to me, he's... What what we have him describing here, I would say, is something like a dragon.
• 32:40
  Right? There there... That's... There's kind of, like, that's the way that I'd look at it. And...
• 32:43
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• 33:09
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• 33:25
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• 34:24
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• 34:34
  If you wanna support the show, a great thing you can do is actually go buy some beef sticks because it's good for you, and it's good for me. Okay? So link is in the description. Alright. So, getting back to, Marco Polo, as I, you know, as I mentioned, he's talking about this.
• 34:49
  He's describing how they hunt. It's kind of even an interesting kind of concept of looking at how they hunt, how these these animals have these specific paths that they use over and over again. It's, you like a game trail. And so they drive these, these sharp spikes, like, into the ground like this, and they bury them. So when this animal's belly goes dragging across it, it just it just rips open the gut of this creature.
• 35:15
  Kinda cool. So the animal comes down, it takes its usual path at night, that goes basically sliced open, and then the hunters, you know, they they follow it and they finish it off, or they wait for the crows to show them it's dead. And then he describes how the parts of the animal were used afterwards. Right? So, again, think about what what kind of account this is.
• 35:35
  It's not a story about this knight and a magic dragon. Right? He... This is a specific hunting method. Right?
• 35:40
  It has the mundane specifics that stories don't bother with. The animals keep regular paths, and the paths show up as these furrows. They put the iron rods in there, and they and they run over them. You track the blood, in the morning. So, like, this is what actual report sounds like.
• 35:56
  So, again, this could still be secondhand, as a lot of what Marco Polo collected is secondhand, you know, but I keep going back to the same place. And this is at one of the most famous travelers in history writing a book, you know, treating it as a reference book and recording that people in Southwestern China hunted enormous clawed serpents with buried iron, and nobody at the time found that remarkable enough to argue with. Okay. This is China long before Markopol ever got there. Okay?
• 36:24
  So, anyways, this is China. But now... Okay. China specifically. Long before Markopol ever got there, the Chinese writers were already keeping lists of these kinds of creatures.
• 36:34
  Right? They sound nothing like what's alive today. And so that's why I wanna kinda transition. I wanna show you something I think is actually gonna surprise a lot of people. So in ancient China, there was a collection of writings called the Shan Hai Qing, which is translated as the classic of mountains and seas.
• 36:52
  Now most people here in the West haven't heard of it, but once you start reading it, you understand why it's fascinated scholars for century. So this book, it's a body of ancient Chinese texts that build up over a long stretch of time with the core material generally being placed in the last few centuries before Christ. We're gonna talk about over 2,000 ago. But what's in it is absolutely extraordinary. I think I have a page to bring up of it, to show you.
• 37:20
  This is what... This is one of the pages in it. So it describes, you know, mountains, rivers, distant, you know, countries, strange people, plants, minerals. But then there's this enormous catalog of creatures in this book, some which you'd recognize and a lot that you would absolutely not recognize. And so here's what hit me when I started going through it though, that these creatures are not introduced in the way that you introduce a monster in a story.
• 37:48
  Right? There's no once upon a time... The the text tells you about a specific mountain. It tells you which way the river runs. It tells you what minerals are in the ground, and it tells you what lives there, and what it looks like, and what sounds it makes.
• 38:04
  And sometimes it tells you what happens if you eat it. So this is a field guide. So similar to Marco Polo, right, and similar to our, Greek historian friend, this is this is old documented text. Right? So it's...
• 38:17
  You know, I've I've read a lot of the Chinese classics. I've read during the West. I've read a lot of the, quote, unquote, Chinese fairy tales, and they're they're obviously fairy tales, but this is not that. This is basically a field guide where the the vast majority of the information in this book is that of a reference book. Right?
• 38:35
  So that's how it's structured. Now, the official framing is that the Shan Hai Jing is mythology and religious geography, not zoology. And there is some supernatural kind of material mixed in there. So, you know, nobody's pretending it's just a hard textbook, but think about what you're actually looking at. So this is a record of how civilization understood the living world around them written in the format of an inventory.
• 39:01
  And here's the question nobody asks. If you lived four thousand years ago and you ran into an animal that you'd never seen, how would you write it down? You don't have a camera. You don't have a classification system. You have language, memory, and whatever animals you already know to compare it to.
• 39:20
  Now copy that description by hand for two thousand years, translate it a few times, let artists illustrate it from the worlds... From the words alone, and what do you end up with? Some very strange stuff. So I'm gonna start with one that became famous across half of Asia. It's this animal called the nine tailed fox.
• 39:39
  And say... Okay. So in the Southern mountain classic, there's this place called Qingchui Mountain, and among the animals listed there is a fox with nine tails. But the entry doesn't stop at the tails. This entry tells you the sound it makes, which it says it it compares it to the sound of a human infant.
• 39:58
  It tells you what's supposed to happen if you eat it, and a lot more. Now put yourself in ancient China reading this. You've been going through mountains, rivers, ore deposits, and then you hit a fox with nine tails. What do you make of that? So that creature went on to become one of the most recognizable, you know, figures in Chinese, Korean, and Japanese tradition, and it's changed every time as as it crossed the border.
• 40:21
  This picture right here is actually a Japanese... An older Japanese rendition of it. That's the part I wanna pay you attention to pay... I want us to pay attention to because it's the mechanism that we're chasing. Right?
• 40:33
  Is a creature shows up in one text as an entry in a list, But then over centuries, religion attaches to it, moral lessons attach to it. Then artists settle on a look for it. And by the end, it's so wrapped in the meaning that whatever was originally being described is gone. Right? So that's a just an interesting concept to think about that.
• 40:53
  Right? Is that, you know, you you trace these creatures back. You you know, we have these things of fairy tales that we're told about. And if you look at the nine tailed fox, there's all kinds of fairy tales and anime shows and everything about the nine tailed fox. There's religious connotation to it.
• 41:08
  And so that's how you think of it through the modern world. You think, oh, that's just this religious kind of symbolism, whatever. But most often, you actually trace these things back and you find the original documents that describe these creatures, that describe these, you know, these very strange species of creatures. And so, you know, I'm not gonna try to tell you that there was a specific species of fox walking around with nine working tails. There's not evidence for that.
• 41:35
  I'm not gonna try to invent any, but look at what the example shows you. You can watch a description turn into a myth in slow motion across the written record with the dates attached. That process is real. We can document it. And once you've seen it happen to one creature, you have to ask how many others it happened to.
• 41:53
  And that's kinda looking at a more organic evolution of a strange creature becoming a myth or a fairy tale. That's not necessarily kind of framing it from the perspective that there was some sort of larger architecture behind the hiding of these things, which we'll get into a little bit later. So so if you keep reading, the the nine tailed fox stops being the weird one in this book. You're gonna find animals described with combinations of limbs, heads, eyes, tails that don't line up with anything in the modern zoo. Things that look like sheep but aren't, things that look like birds, but aren't.
• 42:31
  And here's a detail that kind of stuck with me is that the text almost always describes these animals by comparison. It says, it looks like this except for these features. It sounds like that. Right? So that's not how you'd write fiction.
• 42:46
  You know, that's how you'd write down something that we don't have a word for yet. Okay? So think about as an example, think about a platypus. Try describing a platypus to someone who's never seen it. You say, okay.
• 42:58
  It's this funny little creature. It has the bill of a duck. It has the body of a small animal. It has webbed feet. It has a flat tail like a beaver.
• 43:09
  It lays eggs and it's venomous. That's how you describe it. And people would say, you're nuts. Like, you're stupid. But when the first specimen reached the British scientists, they actually thought it was a hoax.
• 43:22
  Like, they literally thought someone had sewn a duckbill onto a beaver. So educated men holding the actual animal in their hands decided that it couldn't be real. Like that actually happened. That's documented. Now we also have the pangolin.
• 43:36
  Right? This mammal covered in armor plates. We have the axolotl, which regrows its own brain. We have the narwhal, this a whale with a spiral tusk coming out of its face. Every one of those sounds invented.
• 43:49
  Every one of them is real. So actually give me one quick second, let me pull up a different page here. One second, because I had a different note I had to pull up. One quick second. And there we go, okay.
• 44:18
  Okay, so, so every one of these things is real. So when somebody tells me that an animal in an ancient text must be imaginary, because the description sounds too strange, I wanna know what standard they're using. Because by that standard, we'd have to throw out the platypus and a bunch of other animals. Now, what does that... Does that mean everything in the Sean Hygiene actually walked the earth?
• 44:42
  No. And maybe some of those entries are just symbolic, and I'm not gonna pretend otherwise. But sounding strange is not evidence of anything. It just means that you haven't see it, haven't seen it. So let's go back further now, past Marco Polo, past most of the writing that we've looked at.
• 44:59
  So thousands of years back, let's go back to the Neolithic cultures of Northeastern China, and the people that archaeologists are calling the Hang Shan. So picture being a craftsman in that world with a block of jade in front of you. So jade is brutally hard. Like, it's a very, very, very difficult stone to carve. And I've actually carved stone before.
• 45:21
  I've never carved jade, but I know how hard of a stone it is. I always just called... You know, usually just carved soapstone because it's it's, like, easy and kinda butter it off like a like a piece of bread. So, so jade is very hard. You have no power tools, no grinders, nothing electric.
• 45:35
  So you're gonna spend an enormous amount of time wearing that stone down with an abrasive abrasive and just patience. And that when you finish, you'll have one object. So what do you carve? Well, for them, they carve a curled serpentine creature. Archaeologists have pulled these things out of the ground, and they're commonly called jade dragons.
• 45:55
  Let me pull a picture of it. Okay. So they're thousands of years old, and the workmanship is extraordinary. They have these compact coiled bodies. They have very distinctive heads.
• 46:07
  And here's what I keep thinking about. Nobody spends that kind of work on just a doodle or for fun. You don't grind down a precious stone for weeks or months to make a creature you just made up for fun. These objects were made from valuable material with enormous effort, and they end up in significant context. Now, whatever the animal was, it mattered to them.
• 46:30
  So what were they carving? The official answers are a snake, a pig, a composite symbol, something spiritual. Maybe. But here's the fact that survives all the interpretation. Dragon imagery in China does not start in the medieval period.
• 46:46
  It doesn't start with the emperors. It goes back into the Neolithic thousands of years before anybody was writing any of this down. The dragon was not invented by storytellers. It was already there at the very bottom of the record carved in the hardest material they had. And one more thing while we're here, we're often told that the eastern dragon and the western dragon are completely different creatures, which is the standard way of making the overlap go away.
• 47:13
  But some Chinese traditions actually describe dragons with wings, so that clean dividing line gets getting blurrier. But let's go ahead leave China, and let's go a few thousand miles west to ancient Babylon. So picture walking up to that city two and a half thousand years ago across the plains of Mesopotamia with these enormous walls rising right in front of you. So under Nebuchadnezzar the second, Babylon went through a building program that would be impressive even by today's standards. And the showpiece was the Ishtar Gate, which was built in the sixth century before Christ.
• 47:52
  So they have a reconstruction of it. Okay? So let me pull this up for you because this is actually fascinating. This is the kind of reconstruction of the... What it would have looked like during the active period of Babylon when it was...
• 48:04
  Hasn't hadn't kind of crumbled or, you know, whatnot. So it was brilliant blue glazed brick across this enormous structure with rows of animals marching along the walls. So bulls and lions and a creature though called the Mu Mushushu. I'm probably mispronouncing that. Right?
• 48:27
  Which gets translated as serpent and dragon. So let's look at it closely. So again, this is the... This is a kind of remake, a reconstruction of what it would look like. And they have all these animals carved on it 2,500 ago.
• 48:42
  And this right here is one of the animals. You say, okay, it's a snake, but it's a snake with some sort of horn thing on it. And then, woah, they say, Oh, okay. So it's a snake that has a mammal body. It's not like a, it's not a lizard.
• 49:03
  It's walking upright, and they're putting it next to the lions and the other animals. So it has this long serpentine neck. It has front legs like a lion. It has back legs like a bird of prey, which you can see these big claws on the back here. So it's not any mammals, not a bird.
• 49:22
  Now the creature has religious meaning to it. It belonged to Marduk, the chief god of Babylon, and the gate was this religious and political monument. It wasn't a wildlife guide. So, you know, I'm not gonna say the same thing, but here's what gets me is that the bulls and the lions on the gate are real animals. No one disputes that.
• 49:42
  But they put this creature right in the same rows, the same scale, and the same style processing right alongside them. So whatever that creature was to them, they placed it in the company of animals that actually existed, and they didn't hide it in some back room. They put it on the main ceremonial entrance to the greatest city in the world at that time where every visitor, every merchant, every foreign king would walk underneath it. Now the official kind of explanation for this is that it's a composite, the symbolic mashup of powerful animals. Okay.
• 50:14
  But why that combination? Why a serpent body with a lion's front legs and an eagle's back legs? And why does that same basic recipe keep turning up in cultures that never met? And this is the thing that really gets me, is that when you cross the entire ocean, you find these same types of creatures again. So different hemispheres, different languages, different crops, different gods they worshiped.
• 50:42
  So a civilization that had no contact whatsoever with Babylon or China. And when you look at what they carved into their most important buildings, you find enormous serpents. So on to our next location right here. So let me see if I pronounce this right. Teotihuacan.
• 51:07
  That's that's my bad pronunciation of it. Okay? It's this structure in Mexico. They they call the Temple Of The Feathered Servant, someone referred to as... So the temple.
• 51:16
  So this temple was one of the greatest cities of the ancient world. And it had... Or this location... Sorry. It was one of the greatest cities of the ancient world.
• 51:26
  It had pyramids. It had planned avenues, it had a population that would arrive with anything in Europe at the time. But the carvings on that temple, they're they're these elaborate, and they're powerful, and they're clearly central to everything that they believed in. So the Feathered Serpent, right, the Temple Of The Feathered Serpent, this whole this whole concept, it runs through this Mesoamerican religion under the different names they had for it, changing across cultures over the centuries. So...
• 51:53
  But anyway, the... There are different kind of versions of it across different kind of cultures at a time. But here's the thing though. Like, look at the pattern of this. So Babylon takes this serpent and adds the limbs of a predatory board...
• 52:12
  Predatory bird, and they put it right at, like, the key part of their own temple, right, their own giant gate. Then Mesoamerica takes a serpent and then adds the feathers into it. China carves a coiled serpent into the most precious stone. Europe draws a serpent with leathery wings. Herodotus reports serpents with bat wings in Egypt.
• 52:34
  So these people didn't share notes. This... Right? The standard explanation is that snakes are frightening and powerful, so of course, they show up everywhere. That's about as far as it goes.
• 52:44
  But, yeah, explains why people were scared of snakes, but it doesn't explain why so many unconnected civilizations took this snake and gave it the ability to fly. Now, again, look at this thing. Okay. This this is far away. Again, this is the head of it.
• 53:07
  And you see it all over the place, it's often, it's represented as being very reptilian. But it's a very similar... Let me go back to the, sorry, the Chinese jade one. Right? So this right here, ancient China, is this this creature right here, ancient China.
• 53:25
  And now we're looking at ancient... Ancient Americas. Similar looking creatures. Okay? Is it a coincidence?
• 53:37
  Were they, you know, were they using pigeons to fly notes around the world and saying, hey, how about you guys carve one of these things, and we'll carve our own version of it, and we'll really, really mess with the historians two and a half thousand years later. Okay. Anyway, so now now I'm gonna take you though to somewhere that you can go yourself. So it's not a ruin under the desert. It's not a cave that nobody can reach.
• 54:01
  It's a cathedral in the middle of a European city that's open to the public today. So in Krakow, Poland, there's a hill called the Wawel, It's one of the most important places in Polish history. It has a royal castle and a cathedral where generations of Polish kings were crowned and buried. And if you walk up to the cathedral entrance and you look above the doorway, there are three enormous bones hanging on chains. Let me show this to you.
• 54:30
  Let's see, this is right here. So this is at the entrance to the cathedral, And up here, you can see hanging on these chains, it has these enormous bones. They're not a carving, they're not painting, they're actual bones. So picture this. You're standing in front of one of the most magnificent and significant religious buildings in the country, and somebody has hung these massive bones over the front door and has left them there for centuries.
• 55:05
  Now why? It's because the story of the wallowed dragon. So the tradition... And here's the illustration of this for you. It's an old illustration from, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years ago that was represent...
• 55:17
  Kinda telling the story. You see that you see the kinda castle, up on the hill, the dragon down below. So the tradition says that a dragon once lived in a cave beneath the hill and that it terrorized the region until it was finally killed. And this isn't some forgotten folktale that died out. Like, the dragon is still a big part of this region's identity.
• 55:37
  There's a statue of it near the hill that breathes fire for tourists. Okay? So the oldest versions that we have of this were recorded in the twelve hundreds by the bishop of Krakow himself. So he wasn't some peasant. He wasn't some traveling storyteller.
• 55:55
  He was the bishop of the... Of that exact region that he documented this. So... And here's the part that's interesting. He said that those bones that went up on the wall when the...
• 56:08
  You know, when they put them there, bring them back up again, that when it was documented that these bones were put up there, the story was that they were from a dragon. Like, that was the explanation. And so for generation after generation, a person could walk up to the cathedral, look up, and see what they understood to be the physical remains of a creature that we're now told never existed. So, of course, the modern narrative has a way of explaining it. So the modern identification is that, oh, they came from large animals, that they say that it's actually the bones of a whale and some ice age mammals, probably a mammoth.
• 56:49
  That's their explanation. Now, they take them down and x-ray them? Did they do any research on them? Even if they said they did, I still wouldn't trust it. But, again, that's exactly what...
• 56:59
  This is how they do things. They take it and they say, well, yeah, it's seen right there, but those people that, you know, the bishop that documented this eight hundred and... Or nine hundred years ago, he was a liar, and they're just whale bones. The whole idea of this ancient legend of this dragon, that's just people making things things up. Right?
• 57:17
  So, again, that's how they do this stuff. So, but watch what actually happened here. Right? Because this is the whole episode in this one kind of point. The bones didn't move.
• 57:32
  Nobody took them down. Nobody admitted a mistake. Nobody removed them, and they replaced them with a plaque. They're hanging in the exact same place that they've they've hung for centuries on the same chains over the same door. The only thing that changed is what you're told they are.
• 57:52
  That's it. So that's the entire mechanism. So in the introduction of the show, this is the mechanism that I was talking about. How do you erase this evidence? You you don't have to erase the evidence.
• 58:04
  All you have to do is just tell them it's something else. That's it. And you have some official scientists come in, and the scientists say, well, we've proven that those aren't dragon bones. Those are bones from a whale and a walrus and, what's that, Steve? Oh, yeah.
• 58:21
  A mammoth. That's it. That becomes the official record. But here's what's, you know, nobody seems curious about. Where those bones come from?
• 58:30
  Who found them? Where? How'd they get to Krakow? Who decided they belong to the dragon? And what did the guy think he was looking at?
• 58:38
  Because put yourself in that position. You've got no fossil collections. You've got no comparative anatomy. There's no museum to call. You've got an enormous bone unlike anything you've ever seen and a creature in your local history that it might belong to.
• 58:51
  So what do you conclude? Now I'm not telling you that a dragon is necessarily hanging over that door. I can't prove it, but I tend to trust the things that go counter to what the modern trust the science type people are telling me. But if you look at where we've been tonight, an ancient historian who traveled across to see a field of serpent bones, a merchant recording how men hunted clawed serpents in China, in a cathedral in Poland with these massive bones chained above the entrance. So it's different centuries, different continents, different kinds of evidence, And they're all kind of painting the same picture here.
• 59:28
  But they show you a world where the line between dragons and natural history sat in a completely different place than where we were taught to put it. Okay. So here's something I want you to picture. You walk into a library and you pull down a book published more than four hundred years ago. It's a book about animals, a book about real animals, the kind of thing that an educated man would own to understand the natural world.
• 59:54
  You start turning the pages. You look at this book, it's got, okay, there's lions, jack elephants, horses, snakes. But then you turn another page, and there's a dragon. Not in a storybook, not some collection of legends, in the reference section. And this is why this is so fascinating to me because what we're finding, we're finding these species, these dragons that are being documented in field guides, in documented pieces of history where they're they're looking at all the different species.
• 1:00:30
  And so in sixteen o eight, there's an Englishman named Edward Topsell, and he published this book called The History of Serpents. Alright. So I have some original images from it here. Let me pull these up here. Okay.
• 1:00:44
  So this is his book. Okay. It's called The History of Serpents. Right here. From sixteen o eight.
• 1:00:58
  So in this book, Topsell pulled together descriptions of serpents and creatures, you know, from, you know, earlier authorities. Right? So I've I've looked through the book. You know, it's it's actually... It's kinda interesting.
• 1:01:14
  It's fascinating. You look through and there's... He's showing snakes. He's showing alligators. He's showing frogs.
• 1:01:18
  I mean, it's really a book that he wrote called the history of serpents. And... But in there though, is a whole section on dragons. Right? I'll show you that section.
• 1:01:31
  Right? So in here is this whole section on dragons. Right, here we go. Now keep in mind that this isn't some fairy tale book. This is a a book that was the whole book is documenting the the serpents of the world and so he has an entire book here or sorry entire section called Of the Winged Dragon where he has an illustration in it.
• 1:01:55
  He goes into detail of it. So it goes into their form, it goes into their habits, what was known about them. Now, this is a a natural history book, right, from sixteen o eight. So, you know, this this history was... This was put together, you know, through works that authors compiled, gathering from ancient authorities, from travelers, you know, from different kinds of things.
• 1:02:21
  So I don't know for sure if, say, Topsell had examined a dragon, but he put one in his diligent research. He included it in his book. But, again, if you look at the placement of it, this is a book about the real world, and the dragon is in it as a matter of course with no apologies, no disclaimer. There's there's nothing in here that says, according to myth and legend, there might have been something called a dragon. And this is what it what it looked like.
• 1:02:51
  I mean, he's documenting the same way he's documenting a bullfrog. So, you know, when exactly did the dragon move out of the natural world and into the fantasy world that we believe it is now? It's like, was there a discovery, a particular day, or some finding where somebody announced that the matter was settled? No. There was no discovery.
• 1:03:12
  Nothing was found. The dragon didn't get disproven. It just quietly got reclassified. And since somewhere between sixteen o eight and now, nobody has to point out the moment that it happened because nobody ever asked about it. But before we go any further, I just wanna deal with the word itself because it's important.
• 1:03:30
  So when I say dragon, you might see one specific thing. This huge reptile, you might think of Smaug from the Lord of the Rings, four legs, giant wings, breathing fire, something on a movie poster, but that's a modern picture of it. And it's actually done done a lot of damage to this investigation because throughout history, the word dragon meant all sorts of things. In some traditions, a dragon is an enormous serpent with no limbs at all. In others, it has legs and claws.
• 1:04:00
  Some have wings, some don't. Chinese dragons look nothing like European ones. And in ancient texts, the words that we translate as dragon cover a whole range of kind of serpentine creatures. So here's what I think is going on. Dragon was never the name of one species.
• 1:04:16
  It was just a category. It's a bucket that we threw a lot of different animals into the same way people used to, you know, use the word fish for anything that lives in water. Right? Whales, dolphins, sharks, whatever. And once you see that, a lot of this comes into more focus because all those contradictory descriptions that get...
• 1:04:35
  They get used as proof the whole thing is made up. Right? So, oh, well, everyone... Know, there's there's no dragon. They all think it's different.
• 1:04:42
  Right? And so that's exactly what you'd expect if people were describing real animals, from around the world, but they all got filed under one term. So the skeptics' best argument turns into an argument for the other side. And it means that the question were dragons real is actually the wrong question. It's kinda like asking whether fish are real.
• 1:05:00
  Of course, the answer is messy. So we should be going account by account asking what specific animal that specific writer was trying to describe. But now I wanna show you the strongest evidence in this entire investigation, and it has nothing to do with ancient texts or medieval paintings. It's actually a document filed with the British admiral... Admiralty.
• 1:05:25
  So on 08/06/1848, a Royal Navy, boat called the HMS, Daedalus is sailing home from East India somewhere in the South Atlantic, sea between the Cape, of Good Hope and Saint Helena. So open waters, calm afternoon, calm sea, late afternoon around 05:00. This is a real account. And a midships... A a kind of person on the boat, a midshipman spots something and calls it out.
• 1:05:57
  And for the next twenty minutes, captain Peter McQuay and his officers are standing on the deck of a British warship, and they're watching an animal that is not supposed to exist for twenty minutes. It's not a glimpse. It's not something flickering at the edge of your vision. It's something that's standing there long enough to study it, to point at it, to argue about it, and to take notes on it. So when the ship reached England in October, the story got into the papers, and the admiralty was not very happy.
• 1:06:30
  So they actually demanded an explanation from the captain. So the captain did what a naval officer does. He wrote it up, and he signed his name to it. So he... His report to the lord's, the lord's commissioners of the admiralty says, and I quote, it was discovered to be an enormous serpent, end quote.
• 1:06:51
  He describes specifically seeing this beast with head and shoulders held about four feet clear of the water. So head and shoulders four feet above the water. At least 60 feet of the animal was visible on the surface. 60 feet was what was visible on the surface. Dark brown with a yellow around the throat, and he said there's something like a mane.
• 1:07:16
  He says like a mass of seaweed running along its back. He says that it close... It passed close enough that if he had known someone that he... If it had been someone he knew, he would have recognized their face. And here's the interesting thing is that The Times of London printed this whole thing with illustrations.
• 1:07:35
  So check this out. This is what... Again, this is the... We're looking for proof of dragons in these ancient texts. Right?
• 1:07:42
  You know, two thousand years ago, a thousand years ago, Marco Polo. But again, this is why we declassified the word what the word dragon meant because not... It didn't mean that dragon was like the fire breathing thing you see in Lord of the Rings. It went to the... A large serpent.
• 1:07:56
  A lot of them were aquatic. Not all of them had legs. So let me pull this up for you though because this is really, really interesting. So this right here is the actual page that was printed in the London Times on 10/28/1848 based upon this account. It was a serious news article that was published.
• 1:08:21
  So the captain Peter, so he was a career officer in the most powerful navy on Earth. He had a rank, he had a pension, he had a reputation, and he put his name on a sworn statement to his superiors describing a sea monster. There is no version of this where that was the easy choice for him. He wasn't selling a book. He wasn't on a lecture tour.
• 1:08:47
  The British admiralty came to him, and he told them what he saw. And one of his own officers, a man named Drummond, immediately wrote his own account with sketches and the details lined up perfectly. Now watch what happened to him though. This guy named Richard Owen weighs in. So Richard Owen was the most celebrated, anatomist in Britain.
• 1:09:13
  He was the man who invented the word dinosaur. So keep that in the back of your head. Just so happens, the guy who invented the word dinosaur. He was the founder of the Natural History Museum. He was the highest scientific authority in the empire.
• 1:09:29
  He... He's kinda like the Fauci, right, the the Fauci of that time for natural history in terms of how he's propped up by the elites. And so this guy Owen steps in, and Owen announces that what these naval officers had watched for twenty minutes in broad daylight was an elephant seal. He said the thing they described as a tail was the wake trailing behind it. His main argument was that nobody had produced a body.
• 1:09:58
  So questions got raised in parliament about how a Royal Navy captain could let a thing like that get printed, but the captain refused to move. He rejected Owen's explanation. He stood on his report. So here's where we are. A trained observer whose entire profession is watching the sea and reporting accurately files a sworn account that this right here, what you see...
• 1:10:25
  Look at the size of this thing. It... It's it's kind of given in detail. Alright? This guy files a sworn account that he sees this.
• 1:10:37
  His crew backs him up, says the same thing. They looked at it for twenty minutes. But then there's a man who was not there, who was standing in a museum in London that tells this guy exactly what he saw. He said, nope. You didn't see a sea monster.
• 1:10:54
  You saw a sea lion. Okay? So tell me that that pattern doesn't sound familiar. It's the same move every time. Somebody looks at the evidence directly, and they document, here is what is in front of me.
• 1:11:13
  But then an authority who never left the building explains it away. And notice what Owen's strongest argument was. Where's the body? Think about that for a second. Like, the ocean covers most of the planet and is miles deep in places.
• 1:11:30
  Like, where's the body is not a scientific argument. And think about this though. Owen was the founder of the Natural History Museum, you know, the museum that kids go on field trips to that teaches them that they came from monkeys and all that kind of stuff. So do you think that Owen genuinely thought it was a seal, or was it part of Owen's job to make sure these creatures never leave the realm of fairy tale? So now we're gonna go to, Gloucester, Massachusetts.
• 1:11:59
  So in August 1817, something shows up in the harbor. It doesn't appear once and stays there for weeks. Fishermen see it, ship crews see it, people standing on the shore see it. So many people over so many days that this thing stops becoming a story and becomes a problem that someone has to deal with. But here's what makes the Gloucester different from every other sighting in history, they investigate it properly.
• 1:12:22
  So the Linnean Science Society of New England, which is a scientific body out of Boston, sent a committee. They commissioned a judge and other p... A war officer and people to take sworn testimony. So under oath, right, the same standard as the court of law, and they didn't just collect stories of this sighting, they built a questionnaire. It's interesting.
• 1:12:45
  Actually, they they literally put a particular questionnaire for all the people that supposedly saw this thing, this... Which we'll get to, that had 25 standard questions, and and they they gave every witness this. So how far away was it? How did it move? What shape was the head?
• 1:13:01
  And this is the one that they get... That gets me. They asked each man whether he had ever previously mistaken a porpoise or a passing whale for a sea serpent. Okay. They were screening their own witnesses.
• 1:13:14
  This is careful work. This is better methodology than most... You know, what passes for most investigations today. So they took 11 sworn depositions. Fishermen, merchant sailors, ships captains, a carpenter, men who spend their lives looking at the ocean.
• 1:13:31
  So one of them, a lifelong fisherman named Solomon Allen, testified that the creature was, quote, 80 to 90 feet in length and about the size of a half barrel, end quote. So the final report ran to hundreds of pages, and the committee's conclusion was that every one of those men was telling the truth and that this animal belonged to a species, quote, as yet unknown to science, end quote. Actually, I'm gonna pull pull a picture here for you really quickly here. I don't have this loaded, so give me one quick second. Gloucester.
• 1:14:11
  I'm gonna take a quick drink too, because I've been going for over an hour. I I haven't even gotten to unicorns yet. Pardon me, thank you. Okay, so... There's all kinds of different illustrations of it.
• 1:14:29
  So if you trace it back, but this was, it was just like a very well documented historical event that there is this sea monster in Gloucester. Different descriptions of it. Okay. You can go look this up. So anyway, and as I mentioned, they had a very, very diligent process of looking at, of of looking at all different witnesses.
• 1:14:56
  They had these different questions. And so that's part of it. You think about... Imagine this. You're okay.
• 1:15:00
  Did did 20 people all see the same thing? Well, we're gonna get them each 20 questions to ask them to describe what they saw. If those questions are 20 different answers, if one guy saw a, you know, a pink, you know, snake with yellow eyes, if one guy saw a a giant pig looking monster or whatever, then, yeah, okay, the people that are making things up, but they all came back almost identical. So, you would think that this would have gone down as being heavily documented, and we'd be referencing it, right? Nope.
• 1:15:27
  So what happened? Why isn't the Gloucester investigation in every textbook? Because of what the the the scientific society, the Linnaean society did next. I'm gonna tell you the whole thing including the part that doesn't really help me. So after the sightings, somebody found a dead black snake on a beach near Cape Ann.
• 1:15:48
  It was deformed with humps along its spine. And the society which had just done all that careful work looked at that snake and decided that it was a juvenile sea serpent. They gave a scientific name, the, Scolifeus, Atlanticus, the Atlantic hump snake. So... But it was just an ordinary black snake with a a spinal deformity.
• 1:16:10
  And when that came out, the humili... The humiliation was absolute. The society was finished within a few years, and they just kinda clearly dismissed it. Now here's what I want you to notice because, again, this is the whole game. They got one thing wrong.
• 1:16:24
  So the society validated this this sea serpent through all these eyewitness eyewitness test testimonies. They misidentified one snake as being potentially a juvenile of that. They got that wrong. And then that one mistake was used to thrown out... To throw out all the sworn depositions from experienced seamen, all the 25 question screening process, and hundreds of pages of testimony.
• 1:16:48
  All of it was thrown out and disregarded because of a dead snake on a beach. Does that sound like science correcting itself, or does it sound like somebody found a reason? Okay. So, you know, make up your own mind. Right?
• 1:17:06
  So continuing. Okay. So now, we're just... We're just going strong. We're going...
• 1:17:12
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• 1:17:19
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• 1:17:45
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• 1:17:56
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  So I'd really appreciate that. Okay. So now we're gonna go on to the other animal. Okay? The unicorn.
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  So say the word unicorn, I know exactly what your people are seeing. Okay? A white horse with a spiral horn standing in a sunlit forest, probably with a rainbow somewhere. It's on lunch boxes. It's the single most thoroughly defanged creature in human history.
• 1:18:49
  But here's what I found out. That's not what a unicorn was. It wasn't as friendly horse, you know, like My Little Ponies. If you go back to the ancient accounts, you don't find anything gentle about it. You find a large, powerful, dangerous animal that people were warned about.
• 1:19:04
  One of the earliest sources is a Greek writer named Seisius, who lived more than two thousand years ago and served as a physician for the Persian court. So that put him in a position to collect information about India from people who'd actually been there. And so in the surviving fragments of his work, he describes a one horned animal, and it doesn't match the children's book, not even close. I think I have a drawing of what was... He was described, right here.
• 1:19:35
  Okay? So think about what it means that the original was a dangerous wild animal, and what we get handed later was a pony with glitter. That's not a story evolving naturally. That's a creature being systematically declawed until nobody could take it seriously, and it worked really well. You can put the actual evidence, in front of somebody, and they can't get past the lunchbox.
• 1:19:58
  So the question is whether the unicorn traditions came out of nowhere or whether somebody somewhere was describing a real one horned animal. And when you go through the record, the second one gets a lot more interesting. Okay? So you... If you move forward to the first century after Christ, Pliny the Elder is putting together his natural history.
• 1:20:21
  It's one the most ambitious reference works of the ancient world. Animals, plants, geography, minerals, medicine. And in book eight, chapter 31, he describes what he calls the monosaurus or mon... Monosurus. Like rhinoceros, but not monoceros, this one orange animal.
• 1:20:37
  And so this is this is how he actually described it. He says, quote, it's a very fierce animal. K? End quote, fierce. That's the first thing he tells you about it.
• 1:20:47
  Then he describes that the head is like a stag. The feet are like an elephant. The tail is like a boar. The body is like a horse and one black horn projecting from the middle of its forehead. Now picture that animal.
• 1:21:00
  Does it say anything about that in the storybooks? Right? That's a man trying to describe something large and dangerous that he can't name, so he's building it out of parts of animals that readers already know. It's the exact same method we saw in the Shan Hai Jing on the other side of the world. So the official answer here is that it's a rhinoceros that he saw, but, you know, I'm not sure about that.
• 1:21:22
  Because there's a lot of other accounts to that. So the... An Indian rhinoceros described secondhand to Roman audience would come out looking kinda like this. Right? But notice what it cost to the skeptical position to say so.
• 1:21:34
  Because if if his unicorn is a rhinoceros, then the unicorn was never an imaginary creature at all. It was a real animal described at a distance that slowly turned into a myth as the description got copied and predied up. And if that's what happened to the unicorn, then the whole argument that these creatures were invented out of thin air just fell apart. Because then you're just actually... You're kind of proving that it was a real creature.
• 1:21:56
  Now, here's what gets really interesting though, is that if you go look at the historical painting, the old paintings of Noah's Ark. Right? So, yes, some of these are hundreds of years old. They're hanging in museums. They're painted by serious artists.
• 1:22:11
  This is where it gets quite interesting. Let's pull this picture up right here. So this is a painting, it's called Noah's Ark on Mount Arriat by Simon de Maille, which was painted in 1570. And so you see what you'd expect. Right?
• 1:22:28
  Horses, elephants, birds, lions, pairs of animals filing to get on the ship. Right? I'm not sure if you've this picture before. It's a it's a great, you know, photography or picture 1570. Right, so there's a horse that didn't make it, the lion got to him first.
• 1:22:49
  But as you're looking around, and you're looking at this, again, this painting is fifteen seventy, You kind of come up. Oh, wait. Look right there. There's a unicorn on Noah's Ark. So think about what that means.
• 1:23:07
  These artists were not making fantasy pictures, they were illustrating Scripture for churches and for wealthy Christian households at a time when getting the Bible wrong was not a small thing. They were depicting the animals that God preserved through the flood and they included the unicorn without comment standing next to the other animals because it belonged to the inventory of created animals. But what's also interesting with this picture here is look what's over in the sky. What do you see over there? I see a pair of dragons.
• 1:23:44
  So again, why would this artist who's probably commissioned to do this, commissioned, you know, to paint an animal, or sorry, a painting of Noah's Ark of all the animals that are gonna be saved, why would he include unicorns and dragons? Now does the... This painting prove that they existed? No. But, you know, an artist can paint anything.
• 1:24:05
  I'm not gonna tell you that this canvas is evidence. But a painting is excellent proof of what people believed. And these people were not fringe. Like, this is mainstream Christian art in the mainstream of European culture, treating the unicorn as a part of creation. It's worth remembering that the unicorn is mentioned in the King James Bible too.
• 1:24:26
  So here's my question. When the... When did... When the unicorn stopped being real, what happened? Did somebody just prove it never existed?
• 1:24:35
  Did an expedition come back empty handed? Or did the creature of those old accounts... This... Those old accounts described just get lost until nobody could say what the word pointed at anymore? And it was easier to file under the whole, you know, thing under fantasy.
• 1:24:49
  But let's go to the book of Job chapter 40. So if you've read... Never read this passage, slowly do it tonight. So when God is speaking directly to Job, and he points out this creature called the Behemoth... Just gonna read this real quick.
• 1:25:05
  It says... And look how it's introduced. It says, behold now, behemoth, which I made with thee. God is pointing at something. He describes the strength in its loins, the power of its belly, the bones like bars of iron.
• 1:25:16
  He describes it lying under the shade by the river among the reeds. And then there's a line that everyone argues about. He's... It says that he moveth his tail like cedar, like a cedar tree. So the standard interpretation is that God is describing a hippopotamus.
• 1:25:32
  It's big, powerful, lies in the river, eats vegetation. But a hippo's tail is like a foot long and is like a paintbrush. We're gonna describe a hippopotamus to someone who's never seen one, why would you say that it has a tail like cedar, one the biggest trees in in the world? So others say it's an elephant, same problem, doesn't make sense for a handful of reasons. So I think that God's pointing out this this animal, you know, he's...
• 1:25:58
  About the the limits of what a man can understand. So he picks up the most overwhelming animal he can point to. And I don't think that he picked up something ordinary for that. Right? So whatever, you know, Job was looking at, he knew what it was.
• 1:26:10
  He didn't need to explain to him. So again, and this is one kind of example of, like, you you find even the Bible, these these mythical creatures. So when we get to the other one, which is the the Leviathan. So this is... Okay.
• 1:26:24
  So actually, just see if I have... I think I have a picture of... Yeah. Here's a picture. It's called the the destruction of the Leviathan.
• 1:26:29
  So this is, in chapter 42... Sorry, chapter 41. So this is the longest description of any animal in anywhere in Scripture, and it's not subtle. So God spends the entire chapter on this creature. Scales so tight that no air can come between them, teeth that are terrible around about.
• 1:26:49
  Can you draw him out with a hook? Will he make a covenant with you? Will you play him as a... With... As with a bird?
• 1:26:55
  And then the part that the people cannot get their mouth around... Sorry, cannot get their heads around is that out of his mouth go burning lamps and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils go with smoke as out of a seething pot. His breath kindle... Kindle with coals and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
• 1:27:15
  Let me paraphrase that's the King James text. Now the official reading is that this is a crocodile with some poetic license. Okay, but this thing breathes fire. How does that make sense? Nobody's ever explained, you know, the whole fire thing to my satisfaction.
• 1:27:33
  And the usual answer is just to call it a literary device and move on from it. So... But again, here's the problem with that is everything else in those two chapters is God pointing at real things, the wild donkey, the ostrich, the horse, the hawk, the eagle, the behemoth. He's walking Joe through creation animal after animal to show him how small he is. And we're supposed to believe that in the middle of that list, he switches to describing a creature that just doesn't exist, that would undercut the entire argument.
• 1:28:04
  You don't humble a man by pointing at something imaginary. Right? So, know, again, make what you want of that. You know, again, the bible also talks about flying fiery, serpents. So in Isaiah 14 verse 29, and then also in 30 verse six, you talk about flying fiery serpents.
• 1:28:27
  Right? So he's... You know, because in this... So I I... Isaiah is describing a journey.
• 1:28:31
  He's listing what travelers face when going through the land of trouble and anguish, and he names the lion, the viper, and the fiery flying serpent alongside donkeys and camels carrying goods. So that's a list of hazards on a trade route. The lion is real, the viper is real, the donkey and camels are real, and then right in the middle of it, there's this flying fiery serpent. So again, make what you want of this, but, you know, again, we have this biblical kind of happening. Right?
• 1:29:03
  So it's not some prophecy about spiritual forces. It's more of a... It's kind of documented, but you put that besides the Herodotus describing winged serpents serpents coming out of Arabia into Egypt in roughly the same part of the world within a few centuries of each other, two completely different sources. I don't think that the right responses have shrunk it off. These are people that, they didn't read each other's work.
• 1:29:26
  But this this comes back to where we started is that you don't just erase the evidence. You tell everyone that it's something else. And that's what you see over and over and over again is that you just create a new story about it. Okay. So, I think I'm starting to wrap up, looking through my notes here.
• 1:29:50
  Okay. Yeah. So I think I'm kinda starting to wrap up here. Right? So it's kind of kind of just kind of conclude this part.
• 1:30:01
  You know, I want you just to think about something. Think about back when you were a kid. Okay. When you hear about dragons, unicorns, enormous creatures in far off places, and you imagined it. Right?
• 1:30:14
  I still do. It's fun. Right? You imagine standing under something that's huge going overhead of a dragon flying through the sky, walking into a clearing and finding an animal that shouldn't be there. But then you grew up.
• 1:30:26
  Right? You you grew up and you learned that those creatures belonged in fairy fairy tales that the people who told those stories were making them up. And some of them were. But after going through all this, I don't accept the... Official version anymore.
• 1:30:39
  Right? We've got the father of history traveling to a specific place to look at the bones of flying serpents, telling us he saw that we've got one of most famous travelers in the world recording how men in China hunted down clawed serpents with buried iron. We've got Neolithic craftsmen grinding dragons in the jade thousands of years before anybody else wrote wrote them down. We've got Babylon putting a serpent dragon on its main gate next to real animals, natural history books from sixteen o eight with dragons in them, bones hanging over a cathedral in Poland that no one's ever taken down since they were put up that were allegedly dragons. It just keeps going and going and going.
• 1:31:20
  And so, you know, I'm not gonna tell you what to believe. But I believe that our ancestors were describing a world that they actually lived in. I believe that some of the animals in those accounts were real. And I believe that we've lost the ability to say which ones. I believe the reason we can't see this is that some...
• 1:31:40
  Again, someone taught us very early on and very thoroughly that there's nothing to look at. So, you know, next time you're standing at a cathedral looking at a dragon or looking at an old, you know, a unicorn painted somewhere, that seems impossible, you know, just don't... Don't walk... Don't walk... Don't keep going.
• 1:31:58
  Stop and look at it. And think, okay, why did someone do this? This is part of the training. So, you know, part of the training of our of our brain and how we we process this information. Because as I dig more and more into this old information, and as I try to just discover and find, you know, what is the real truth, I find that there has been a very systematic programming for how my mind works.
• 1:32:27
  And there's these programmed blind spots that you don't see because, again, looking at dragons from... I've got two kids, you know, two and six, and we've got various books that we read them, and a lot of the books include these fairy tale dragons. And so as as children, we're taught that these are just fairy tales. And I I I believe that up until most of my adult life, but the more I I started looking into this, the more you see that there is just overwhelming evidence that these things existed in history. Now, the question, part of the question is in what happened to them?
• 1:33:07
  Like, are they still living? Are they are they hiding somewhere? I don't know. That gets into a much bigger discussion. You know, I've covered this before that there is potentially some sort of big depopulation type event that happened in the seventeen or eighteen hundreds.
• 1:33:22
  So maybe certain, creatures were lost around that time. Maybe this has been... There's been a a a kind of longer process of kind of removing some of these creatures from Earth. If we're looking at maybe some sort of centralized control system on Earth that goes back in time, maybe it was a threat to... A threat of some sort to have these kind of mythical creatures with special abilities.
• 1:33:46
  I mean, even the unicorns. If the unicorns allegedly, their horns had all kinds of magical abilities to them. Like, the unicorn's horn, if they dipped it into a river and purify the river, if you had a cup made with a unicorn. So kings would have these, allegedly, these unicorn, horned cups that that it would actually get rid of any poison in the drink. So they would drink from the the cups of unicorn horn.
• 1:34:10
  So, you know, I don't know why these things, have not made it into our contemporary history. I I also think that part of it is that a big a big part of the modern history that they've... That's been taught to us as a way of confusing us is that we've always just been taught evolution. And we've been taught this this particular time period where there were the dinosaurs a long, long time ago, you know, sixty, couple 100,000,000 ago, then a comet hit, the dinosaurs became extinct, and then things kept evolving. And then, you know, eventually you had monkeys and you had man.
• 1:34:45
  And so it's like if you, if you believe in the idea of dragons, if you believe that some of these accounts of dragons that were a thousand, 2,000, 3,000 years old, if you believe the validity of these accounts, then that kind of gets thrown in the face of the entire evolutionary theory and this entire idea that, you know, dinosaurs have existed on earth for millions and millions of years. But you can see that that they consistently... In this programming, they consistently mess with the timeline. They're consistently telling us all those things are ancient. Those things happened a long, long time ago.
• 1:35:24
  Whether you're looking at Antarctica, or they're telling us that Antarctica... The last time Antarctica was... Thought out was, you know, tens of millions of years ago. So, again, they... They're using this timing to take these things that I think are part of what was a very advanced and very almost divinely inspired mankind.
• 1:35:48
  You think about the world of this thing about the... What we what we looked at with the world's fairs buildings, this ancient architecture with the cathedrals with frequency healing and all these things. I think that part of it is that they have to kinda get rid of that, so they push it all so far back in time that you don't even think about it. It creates this blind spot, the same way you might have a blind spot about Antarctica. You might have a blind spot that doesn't make you even look into whether advanced civilizations lived on American soil.
• 1:36:17
  You just think, oh, that, you know, Columbus discovered America in 1492, and before that, it was just native Americans. You have these things that we've been told for so long, for generation after generation, that you no longer question them. And to me, this... That's what these... Digging in these mythical mythical creatures is about that.
• 1:36:35
  It's about actually questioning this stuff. And, and then I think you start putting the pieces of the puzzle together. So, anyway, so that is my... That is the presentation for tonight. Ugh.
• 1:36:48
  I need to get some water. We're we're gonna bring up comments now. I'm looking forward to doing comments with you. Goodness. It is it is it is a lot of work putting these shows together, and especially doing them live like this.
• 1:37:05
  So... Okay. I'm gonna pull up your comments. I didn't get them loaded beforehand, because I I was literally working right up until, like, the the the second that we started. So let me pull up my comments real quick.
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  Okay, there's our Rumble page. And let's get to our YouTube page. Okay. Okey dokey. And let me see too if I have, some comments from the show.
• 1:38:03
  Okay. Okay, so here's some of our questions that we got pulled in, so I'll hit these first. These are some of the questions and comments that came in during the show. So, Michael L. Says, What if nothing is real, and this is just a computer simulation?
• 1:38:29
  I guess, what if? I don't believe so personally. I believe that we're, you know, I believe in heaven and hell, and that we're divine creations. But, you know, I think it's a potential theory. I've never been to heaven personally.
• 1:38:45
  I can't say that I've been there. I think it exists through faith, but, maybe nothing is real. Perhaps. That's not my that's not my story. Layne Lowe says, what is the motivation for suppressing the history of dragons?
• 1:38:59
  You know, I kinda got into this at the... Kinda towards the end, that... Yeah. I I I don't have an exact answer for that. I have some ideas.
• 1:39:09
  I I think that a lot of it is because if if if all of these different civilizations were, say, you know, one, two, three thousand years ago, if dragons existed in those times as all the documentation seems to kind of prove, then it kind of throws the entire evolutionary narrative out the window because we've been built... The stories have been built around us that the dinosaurs are millions and millions of years ago and all this stuff and that, you know, what's here is all... Is what's here. So I think that it... But I know that doesn't necessarily answer your question in in, like, it's more fundamental way.
• 1:39:51
  Because I guess that, you know, they could have just included dragons in that history. So, I I don't have a good answer for you. I'm trying to wrap my head around that as as well. Juro Wise says, Komodo dragons, larger ones at that time gone extinct. Yeah.
• 1:40:06
  It could be. Some of these things could be Komodo dragons. I mean, Komodo dragons are just like a distant ancestor of some of these other dragons. I'm not sure. NWO says volcanoes are petrified dragons.
• 1:40:18
  I haven't heard that one yet. I'll look into it. Michael l says what if a Komodo dragon had wings? That's interesting thing. I've also...
• 1:40:28
  There's a lot of people that believe that a lot of the dinosaurs that they're showing as the T Rexes and that these things that they're actually were... That they're actually dragons, but they just kind of didn't assemble the wing bones because all these things are kinda assembled anyway. If you look at what happens when you make a discovery like this, you know, Smithsonian comes in, they take over it, they excavate it, they tell you what you have. It's very, very tightly controlled. N w o seventy seven says better than Slim Jims, referring to the beef sticks.
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• 1:41:37
  So continuing. So, Gen X, Tomcat, Dragons. Oh, yes. There's a story of false Christian temple with the recipe for such and called it a cockatrice serpent and DNA holder Vatican. I'll look into that.
• 1:41:57
  So Atlas BE was a core test ever done to the... To look at the marrow for the bones. You know, I'm not sure, actually. I I don't think so. There's nothing I found that said that.
• 1:42:09
  Yeah. Nothing nothing I found that said that. Grateful grateful sheep. Did dinosaurs and humans live at the same time? So while...
• 1:42:17
  So here's the interesting thing is it's kind of like, you know, we we... Like, again, like the guy Owen, like the guy that talked... The scientist Owen, the guy who invented the natural... Who was the founder of the Natural History Museum, the the guy who discredited that sea monster saying it was a sea lion, he's the guy that invented the term dinosaur. So, like, literally, that's the guy that invented the the word dinosaur.
• 1:42:41
  So, I mean, it makes me think it makes me think are dinosaurs just versions of other dragons or dragons versions of dinosaurs? It's kind of a weird thing. There's these things... There's these stones called the Aika stones, which... Let me see if I can pull this up for you.
• 1:42:57
  This is a whole different rabbit hole. There are these stones that are from, Peru that were discovered that are in this... They're discovered in the sixties. There's a lot of kind of different beliefs on them, but I've heard different sources say that they're 20, 30,000 years old. So these are these...
• 1:43:15
  They're a thing called the Aika stones. And what's interesting is that these stones show man with dinosaurs. So let's see if I can find some other examples. Right? So here's these.
• 1:43:29
  So again, the story is that these stones were carved around 30 years... 30,000 years ago, roughly 20, 30,000 years ago. Yet the stones are depicting, human beings with dinosaurs. Like here's a big dinosaur eating a human, it's like chewing his head off. Here's a Triceratops, they're showing there.
• 1:43:50
  Here's other dinosaurs. There's also, there's images on here of people of humans riding dinosaurs. Here is a... Here's a dragon. So again, here, look at this, it's interesting.
• 1:44:05
  You remember Marco Polo, long serpentine body with two legs on the front. Yeah, so there's some interesting stuff here. These Ica stones. Here's here's... Yeah, here you go.
• 1:44:22
  Here's a guy riding on a dragon. So, you know, make what you will of those, but interesting rabbit hole to go into. Let's see a few other kind of, comments to get to. From brush junkie said, have you seen the pictures of the creature caught by Japanese fishing vessel off the coast of New Zealand? It looks like one of those sea serpents.
• 1:44:45
  Thai French made a call that it was a shark. I'll I'll I'll look at that. Jaybird flies, says any of these creatures said to have... Be benevolent or have contact with humans? You you need to get more into the history of it.
• 1:44:59
  I... And I know that in Chinese culture, they talk about, some of the dragons being benevolent. They almost look... They almost give them some sort of, kind of divine nature to them. So...
• 1:45:14
  Yeah. Okay. So here's a question from Rosemary Brucka who says, Unicorns are not so strange if you look at a gazelle. The big question is, why? Why turn these creatures into myth, and how do they benefit?
• 1:45:29
  What's the motivation to the lie? Very curious. Yeah. That's the... Like, that's that's, like, that's part of the, the question of this is that it's like, you know, in my opinion, there's a lot of proof in history that these things were real.
• 1:45:44
  So we also have animals that were... Have... You know, that we know were real that are extinct, and they admit it. They'll say, oh, yes. Sabre tooth tiger.
• 1:45:52
  Right? Woolly mammoth. Like, they don't hide they don't hide the history of a woolly mammoth. They don't hide the history of a saber tooth tiger, but why hide the history of a unicorn? I'll have to put some more thought into it.
• 1:46:06
  It doesn't make sense. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. So... Bender Rock says, could dragons and unicorns be telepathic?
• 1:46:21
  Thus would be able to tell us about the fake history if they were around, removed to protect their fake history. I don't know. I mean, I've heard that that, Bigfoots are telepathic. So, I guess if we're going down all the rabbit holes, right? So...
• 1:46:37
  Okay. Back to the comments. Let me pull those up. Okay. Okay.
• 1:46:49
  Okay, so, let's get to the comments. I see some... A little bit of arguing going on and some swearing. So War Media 1776. Be careful.
• 1:47:03
  So sorry. I didn't realize that these weren't pulled up. Let me pull that up for you. So this is Rumble, and then we have over on YouTube. So, yeah.
• 1:47:18
  Okay. So let them... Let me know what, you know, questions or what thoughts you have. Also, I mean, just... You know, let me know after watching this.
• 1:47:27
  Do you... Am I the only crazy one in the room? And do do you believe that, you know, dragons and unicorns were real? I'm curious, actually. I mean, I guess if you're still if you're still watching almost two hours into this, that you probably might agree with me.
• 1:47:44
  If you disagree with me, you probably wouldn't even click on this show. But I... I'm just curious. Let me know. And if you're watching...
• 1:47:49
  If you're not live and you're watching, let me know in the comments of the show. Do you think that dragons and unicorns were real? And if you do, I'd be curious to think why you why you might think that they that they have been kinda hidden and erased. Yeah. I'd be curious about that.
• 1:48:18
  Okay. Alright, so Karen and Bohr Media, you two need to get along. Yeah. Karen, who says, could dragons be Dracos? Just spitballing potentially.
• 1:48:35
  I mean, I I I personally think there's a lot of validity and, you know, the idea of the, you know, the Draco reptilians, and you get back into the pre flood stuff, like, there's there's quite a lot going on there that... So. Interesting, you know, Demeris Stiles, they hide the history because it makes the Bible right. That's a good point. That is a very good point.
• 1:49:08
  There's also... Yeah, yeah, actually same. Someone else mentioned about how, you know, dragons are very common in the in the Bible. Yeah. It's very good point.
• 1:49:23
  Yeah. Donnie Doubles says, Dinosaurs in museums are all fake bones. Yeah. That's also true. I mean, look at, you look at, you know, what they do and say, oh, this is proof.
• 1:49:32
  Right? But, you know, so much of, you know, so much of what you're seeing in in, you know, all these different big dinosaurs you're seeing, these skeletons that you're seeing in, in the, you know, natural history museums, most of the bones are fake. So you think, like, okay, like, they present it as this... It's like, it's a 100% settled. This is what it is.
• 1:49:51
  But are they? I mean, it'd be so it'd be so hard to... It'd be so... Sorry, it'd be so easy just to completely cover something up with that. It's okay, Karen here.
• 1:50:01
  You don't to say sorry, Seth. Yeah, I... There's all kinds of other creatures that I didn't get, into. You know, I could have got into, griffins, centaurs. There's tons and tons of different creatures.
• 1:50:18
  You get into the cryptid stuff. You know, it's a whole different... Yeah. Also, me know anybody who's new tonight. I always love seeing who the new people are.
• 1:50:28
  Please say hello if you're new. Yeah. Chinese zodiac. Yep. That...
• 1:50:34
  That's a big one. Yeah, Michael Graves saying, Maybe the dragons are interdimensional demonic entities. They may still be some of their gods. Yeah, you never know. Yes.
• 1:50:51
  It's it's true. Yeah. Chinese calendar has all real animals and a dragon. And that's what you see. Right?
• 1:50:57
  You see it over and over again. It's the same thing. Is that you have these books. They're they're documenting all real animals, all real instances, and then you have the dragons next to it. Like the book of reptiles I showed you.
• 1:51:12
  It doesn't... It doesn't make sense, but actually it makes perfect sense, right? Yeah, Smithsonian cover up. Yeah. So hot heart...
• 1:51:33
  Hot artisan says very real, just not common now. Maybe even extinct in our known regions. Yeah. I agree. Yeah, Minotaurs, that's yeah, that's also Demara Stazza, I'm listening from England.
• 1:51:56
  Cool man, or lady, nice to see you. Karen says, Really like your presentations and your cadence. I'm kind of new to your channel, love this stuff. Well, welcome. Thank you.
• 1:52:08
  Builder Babe, good to see you here again. So I just saw that you're live, I love this topic. Griffins will be awesome to cover. I had a whole section on Griffins, I cut it out though, because I just, I had just too much. I was, I wouldn't have been able to finish it.
• 1:52:22
  Yeah, Jay Deschamps, I'm still tripping on the parasites. Yeah, crazy. Yeah. Jugobear says, Maybe all the monsters in the old Sinbad movie were actually real. I thought that too.
• 1:52:43
  I thought that, too. Yeah, mermaids, that's another, That's another topic. Yep. Yeah, I might be doing... We'll see.
• 1:53:16
  I'm not sure what I'm gonna cover next. Oh, just so everyone knows, week, next Sunday, I'm gonna be traveling. I'm gonna be down in, in Harmony, North Carolina for the, Mountain Ready... Readiness event. So I won't have my regular live show next Sunday.
• 1:53:38
  I'm gonna try to still record a show for you that I can put up. That way you can still feel like you're hanging out and you can still hang out in the chat. So I think I'll still get a show up for you, but I won't be live because I think I'll be driving back from North Carolina next Sunday night. Oh, that girl Tina Marie says, First time seeing a Sunday night show, and it has been very interesting. Good.
• 1:54:04
  Good. Yeah. So Grateful Sheep, I might do Griffins. Yeah, I might do Griffins. Let's see.
• 1:54:10
  Not sure what gonna focus on next. I might, might kind of tune into kind of like big, bigger kind of hidden depopulation events, but not sure. Yes. Thank you, Man in America crew. War media, let's, not focus so much on on human rights, female human rights.
• 1:54:35
  Yeah. So Laurie ABC says, what about Loch Ness monster? I think that Loch Ness is the same thing. I think Loch Ness is... Again, I I should have actually gone into that.
• 1:54:43
  I could've done a whole a whole show about that, that... But, yeah, Loch Ness sounds like it's the same thing as all these other stories. So... Oh, Camp Cat, rarely am able to catch you live. I enjoy your content.
• 1:54:58
  And greetings from Cambodia. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.
• 1:55:09
  Let's go check over on YouTube chat over there. They're wanting dragon remains. Yeah, giants, that's a whole other thing too. I'd love to do a giant, a giant story. I actually had a...
• 1:55:36
  Speaking of dragons, I just remember this. I'll say real quick. Lady Liberty says, Seth, you tagged me there, says the little season is so much deeper than you've gone. The timeline to deception is definitely happening now. Yeah.
• 1:55:52
  I think it's deep. I think it's very deep. But I can only fit so much into a single show. It's tough. So...
• 1:56:03
  Megster, I'm new to the chat, but not new to the program. Nice to see you here then in the chat. I was telling you though, but just I had... So I used to have a lot of lucid dreams when I was younger. And, I used be really kind of into lucid dreaming as a whole.
• 1:56:21
  And, anyway, actually, sorry. I see the fine lines asking, saying, When will I be in North Carolina? Let me actually pull up... They pulled up for you real quick. So for people that...
• 1:56:35
  Because the fine line is asking, let me just kind of pull this up and show you. So next weekend, I'm gonna be here at this, the mountain readiness event. So if you go to mountainreadiness.com, this is... It's, October twenty third to twenty fifth. And it is a...
• 1:56:59
  It's... Basically, it's all about this preparedness, homesteading, survival. I guess this is the schedule they've got here. And so... Let's see.
• 1:57:12
  Think there's also a... Let's see here. There's a lot going on. There's lot of good stuff going on here. But anyway, yeah, so if you go to mountainreadiness.com, you go to events, and it is right here.
• 1:57:27
  It is the Mountain Readiness Fallout, and it is happening in Harmony, North Carolina. And there's gonna be, just a bunch of great stuff, a bunch of good speakers, all about just preparedness and self reliance. The Karim and Tomahawk class. I mean, there's all kinds of really cool stuff. I'm gonna be there.
• 1:57:44
  I'm be part of a panel, I think, talking. A lot of authors, but very, very preparedness focused. So that's where I'm gonna be. Pardon me. That's where I'm gonna be.
• 1:57:55
  Okay, continuing. Thank you, Man in America crew, for sharing that. Let me get a drink real quick. Thank you. Sorry.
• 1:58:16
  Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So so d g Jerome says t rex is one of the many dragon species, small arms or missing slash eroded wings. If you see ancient paintings, they're depicted with wings coming up from under the front legs, like pterosaurs.
• 1:58:37
  Yeah. That's also... You think about that, that these T Rexes, you know, these giant creatures... Let me kinda pull one up real quick. Let me pull a picture of a T Rex.
• 1:58:49
  Sorry, scratchy throat. Okay, there's a picture I was gonna show. Let's see, where was it? I've got so many links up here. Okay, so like, if you look at this...
• 1:59:16
  Okay, here's this picture. And let me... So I'll show you the side by side comparison. Okay. So you look at this.
• 1:59:34
  Okay. This is a T Rex as they show it. This is what they've kind of put together with mostly fake bones to tell us this is exactly what a T Rex looked like. And it has these tiny little arms. Like, use...
• 1:59:49
  What possible use would those arms have? I I like, I I literally can't think of any use of those little arms here. However, if you look at the book on... A book right here, right, The History of Serpents, now, this is kind of a slightly different version of it, but there's a lot of these things that it shows that that they're two legged creatures. Look at the the the...
• 2:00:18
  How similar this is to this. Now, you know, they're showing us this, but it's like imagine if it was kind of slightly different proportions, and you had these hind legs like that, but then it had these giant wings. Actually, there's probably a picture. Right? Let me see if I can find a picture showing.
• 2:00:41
  Do we search for T Wex? T Wex. T Wex with wings. Yeah. So there's tons of cool pictures like this.
• 2:00:55
  Like, to me, like, that looks like it makes much more sense, even though this is just probably some, you know, kind of... Someone who's kind of playing imagination here. But, I mean, I would think I wonder what this is actually saying. This is... It says, Spectacular new fossil discovery reveals shocking adaption adaptation in T Rex, the king of dinosaurs had 80 foot wide wings.
• 2:01:30
  Yeah, so you can see it's a plausible idea, again, considering that, you know, people... I mean, look at that. Like, to me, it's like, yeah, that that makes sense. That makes more sense than this thing with these tiny little little arms that are useless. And so if you're trying to...
• 2:01:55
  So it's like they're telling us that diet... That that dragons are these mythical creatures that don't exist, yet they're documented as we went through, like, so thoroughly throughout history. There's paintings of them, there's stone carvings of them, there's legends about them, and they're telling us that they did not exist. Yet, you know, a 100,000,000 years ago, there were these giant T. Rexes with these tiny little arms like this.
• 2:02:26
  I mean, to me, it makes more sense. This makes more sense to me, especially if they're trying to hide the fact that dragons did exist. It's a great way for them to... You know, it's a great way for them to just hide this. Now, that's a cool...
• 2:02:48
  That's a pretty scary kind of thought, like a giant T Rex chicken. That would be very frightening. Anyway, let's go back to the chat. Yeah, the Tyrannosaurus chicken. I didn't know that was a band.
• 2:03:06
  Yep. Yeah. I mean, think Jurassic Park, it's... Again, right? When when you see that, you know, you have the Hollywood supports the narrative, all this kind of stuff.
• 2:03:24
  Yeah. Interesting stuff going on here. Okay, so, Lady Liberty sings, Seth, you need to talk to Joe of JT follows JC. He lives in Virginia. I'll look him up.
• 2:04:07
  Tiny loves Boston's. I I think Seth needs a smoking jacket and an ascot. I I am actually working. I I have some new jackets, and we're actually, I've begun kind of putting together a new set. I'm actually building a new set.
• 2:04:21
  I can't wait to show it to you. It's gonna be such a good set. But this is the same set I've had since the very beginning. So I'm gonna have a new set. I'm gonna start wearing waistcoats, and I've got a nice corduroy, kinda camel color, corduroy jacket, some other stuff.
• 2:04:39
  So, I'm, I'm I'm just kind of trying to up the game here. Pardon me. My... I'm getting on my scripts with my throat's a little scratchy. Honey badger granny says, love the show, Seth.
• 2:04:59
  Thank you. Just a reminder for everyone, if you... If you've enjoyed the content, hit that like button. I'd I'd really appreciate it. Because every...
• 2:05:08
  You know, with everyone live here, if everyone hit that like button, we could double the likes. And actually, the likes are important. And and I know that may... You know, everyone's always like, oh, please like and share and subscribe and all that kind of stuff. But genuinely, likes are really, really important for a creator because a lot of the algorithms, they're they're measuring engagement.
• 2:05:26
  They're measuring how the audience responds. And so if I say, hey, you know, please like the show. It's actually because it it helps, especially with YouTube, because YouTube's algorithm can open up a lot of possibilities and take take videos far and wide, that everyone that hits that like button, it really helps the show to get even further and to reach more people. And so, you know, I think this show, I probably put fifteen hours into tonight's show. If you, you know, if you like the show, then hit that little button.
• 2:06:06
  It's easy to do. It's actually really easy to do. So. I know it's flannel season. Yeah, I know it's flannel season, but I'm And I almost wore my flannel tonight, but I kinda just...
• 2:06:20
  I'm just kinda trying to mix it up a little bit. That's all. Thank you, Lady Liberty. Tiny loves Boston's. You're fine the way you are, Seth.
• 2:06:42
  It was something about what you're wearing, Seth, that led me to my comment. You always look fabulous. Well, thank you. But no, I mean, I I appreciate it. And I I'd like to...
• 2:06:49
  I do like to wear some nicer stuff sometimes. And I I, of course, I still have my flannels, which I enjoy. But it does feel nice to kinda wear a jacket. This is a new one I got shopping with my wife, and we picked out some new jackets. This one's...
• 2:07:03
  It's like really comfortable. It's one these, like, of really lightweight, deconstructed jackets. So it's like super comfortable actually. So I like it. Okay.
• 2:07:17
  Yes. Just hit the like meow. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you for hitting like.
• 2:07:22
  It's okay. Cool. There we go. So, Damaris Stiles, hit the like button. Yes.
• 2:07:32
  Thank you. So Laurie ABC, any updates on the ARC? Yeah. So we've, we we've already opened up for a small amount of people, and we're basically done with our kind of... I think within the next couple of days, we're gonna be having...
• 2:07:46
  We're gonna be opening up another round of people. And so, we're just kind of... We're doing it in batches. So if you've been waiting on the ARC, I really appreciate your patience. And, yeah, so just, you know, please just, you know, we're we're...
• 2:08:02
  It's going. It's so... It's so progressing. You know, Kate's probably still putting, you know, forty plus hours a week into it. So, we're really getting there.
• 2:08:10
  So, thank you for your patience. Doner Babe says, Seth, you are throttled down significantly. I've been paying attention for years and nothing else makes sense with your numbers and reach. I know. I know.
• 2:08:23
  Because I'm not part of any network. That's the thing is that I'm just, I'm independent. And I'm covering things that are questioning the narrative. And so, it's not easy for shows like mine to get picked up by the algorithms. We've done, you know, well better on YouTube lately, which has been encouraging.
• 2:08:42
  But... Yep. Yeah, Animal, his wife dressed in tonight. That that is true. That is true.
• 2:08:50
  And so, Bend to Rocks. Yeah, high quality, free content. Clicking like is easy. Yes, you're right. Yep, that is my request.
• 2:08:58
  If you're still watching the show after two hours, at least throw a like my way. Right? And make sure you hit that subscribe button as well. Okay. Yeah.
• 2:09:11
  Rosemary Bracco, thank you for a great show. You're welcome. Yeah. You're very welcome. Yeah, Lee Liberty says, Seth, start the oregano oil and black seed oil and vitamin D through the K.
• 2:09:25
  Stomp it before it takes hold. I don't think... I'm not I'm not actually feeling sick. It's just scratchy. My it's some of vocal cords.
• 2:09:34
  My vocal cords are really... My wife describes they're very close together, which is why it makes my voice just that kind of more raspy. You hear more raspy voice, which I think it's nice because I think it's what you've all told me a lot. It's an easy voice to listen to. So I'm glad I appreciate that.
• 2:09:53
  But it does mean that my voice, my vocal cords don't have the normal, I guess, kind of strength and endurance that they could. And they they kind of wear out a little easier because of how it works. So... Oh, awesome. Already hit the like...
• 2:10:09
  HB, already hit the like button and shared with two peeps. Awesome. Thank you. Yep. Yes.
• 2:10:20
  No, the rest of us are drowning while others are in the ark, which is full. No, the ark is not full. The ark... We're building the ark to... We gotta hold a lot of people.
• 2:10:29
  Like, that's part of it, actually. We're building the Arc so it can hold. I think that we've now kinda ran tests on up to, like, 10,000 simultaneous users, and it's it's still strong. It still goes strong. It's a...
• 2:10:41
  I mean, it's a serious platform. Like, that's the thing with the r... The Arc is, like, it's like it's like an inter... Enterprise level grade platform. Like, it's, like, it's it's serious.
• 2:10:53
  It's it's a serious, serious, serious thing. So I can't wait. I can't wait to to have you all on there. And if you're not if you're not on the list for that yet, so if if you're not on the sign up list for the ARC, pull up the website real quick. Just go to buildthearc.com.
• 2:11:13
  This is where you can you sign up to just join the waiting list for it. So buildthearc.com. Right there. Oh, great. Clebrech1911, first time listener, loved it.
• 2:11:27
  Well, awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Sorry, Karen here.
• 2:11:37
  Glad I made it to the live. Sorry, I fell into an argument with someone I blocked before. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay, Karen.
• 2:11:44
  We all, we all lose our patience sometimes. Yeah, we all do. So that's all right. And, Thank you, Lady Liberty, I liked as soon as I got here. Thank you, thank you, Lady Liberty.
• 2:12:04
  Yeah. Okay. Well, I do think... Yeah, we went in the ark right meow, I know. I do think I'm gonna start wrapping it up.
• 2:12:21
  I'm just, I'm tired. I am tired. And, it's been a long week. It's been a long month. It's been a long year, I feel like.
• 2:12:36
  Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been, we've been very busy. It's been a very, very busy year. So, yeah, I think I'm gonna wrap up, though. Yep. Thank you, hot art...
• 2:12:53
  Artesian. I hit the like button as soon as I get in here. Thank you. I see... I know the content will be excellent, and the chat interesting.
• 2:13:03
  Wonderful. So Seth, have Daniel Duvall on. I'll look I'll look that person up. Okay. Yeah.
• 2:13:15
  I think that I'm gonna kind of wrap up. Thank you all for being here. It's it's always wonderful to have you all here. I I really enjoy these. Next week, as I...
• 2:13:28
  Next Sunday, as I mentioned, I won't have a live live show like this, but I will put a show up. I'll try to kinda join in through the chat, just so I can still hang out with you all if I'm kinda stopped somewhere. You know, I think I think I'll be driving back through the night on Sunday, so we'll we'll see how that works out. And, but, yeah, thank you all for being here. Thank you.
• 2:13:51
  If you want to support the show, the best thing you can do is like and share it. You can also buy some beef sticks, if you want to. That's a great way of supporting the show, because, so that, you know, again, Paleo Valley right here. You know, again, dragons eat grass fed beef, so you can also eat grass fed beef by eating a Paleo Valley beef stick. Honestly really good.
• 2:14:16
  I I I I... Since I I I don't recommend anything to you that I don't like myself, and I really enjoy these. So, yeah, I think my voice is telling me, my voice is saying, Seth, go to bed, man. So, American Made, goodnight. Goodnight to you, thank you.
• 2:14:36
  Yeah, thank you everyone. It is late. I will have, I will have sweet dreams. Yeah, I will, I will have, I usually have sweet dreams. Oh, I was telling you one thing.
• 2:14:46
  I'll tell you real quick. I had a lucid dream when I was younger. Was very... It was so vivid. And I woke up in this lucid dream, and there was this red dragon.
• 2:14:57
  I was in a bed in this all white realm. It was kind of strange. And there was this red dragon that was like sitting right... It was kind of standing. Its head was sitting right over my bed.
• 2:15:09
  It was a big dragon. It was kind of a little bit like a western style dragon, a little bit like a kind of like a Smaug of Lord of the Rings type dragon. But it wasn't bad. It wasn't, it wasn't malevolent. It was actually...
• 2:15:23
  Yeah, it was it was actually, like, it was a good dragon. And I started talking to it, and I realized so distinctly, and this dragon said... I was I was talking to it, because I I mean, I could feel its breath on me. Like, it was that close. And I was...
• 2:15:40
  And I had a I had a conversation with it, and I remember that I asked what its name was. And it said that this dragon told me its name was... It's in my tongue. It says it... My...
• 2:15:53
  His name was Difficus. And then the dragon said in his dragon tongue, his name was Tisai. Tisai. Tisai was was the... Its name in in the dragon tongue.
• 2:16:07
  And so, anyway, it was a really cool dream, and so it always kinda stuck with me. Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I see that, the Durban Poison Lava, will join the ark, and they're right here. There's the link, build the ark. Ark with a k, right there.
• 2:16:25
  That's the link. Okay. Alright. Good night, everyone. Yeah.
• 2:16:33
  Thank you for all your kind words. Thank you for being here. We got some great content coming out. I hope you enjoyed. If you didn't watch it yet, I really recommend you watch the Gerry Marzinski interview I put up last night, Saturday night.
• 2:16:46
  It was a pretty over two hours long, fascinating interview. Really, really, really good interview. And, yeah. Yeah, thank you all for being here, and I will, I'll see you soon. Alright.
• 2:16:58
  Have a wonderful night. Sweet dreams. Take care.