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Set 2: Step Back · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Our thanks to Chris Sims for joining us in the
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: first hour. Tim Legler will join us as an encore
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  Speaker 1: for today on stugatsa company Israel. Goody Eras is with
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  Speaker 1: us right now. Congratulations to you is real goody Eras.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: I mean he's normally with us. He just hasn't been
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: here all week. Look, congratulations. Do you want the new pod?
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, how about that?
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: Let me strain some things out. I'm not double dipping
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: over here. I am not double dating, that's for sure.
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: That was all last year. We recorded everything on Lebron
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  Speaker 2: the Lot. You recorded everything last year while I was
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: still with meadow Lark, and they just decided to release
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: it now that Lebron got knocked out, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: it seemed like a good time. So yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Not new, not back at meadow Lark, but it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be good. So is he.
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  Speaker 3: I was fielding a bunch of questions when I see
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  Speaker 3: that podcast goes out. People are texting me, Hey, was
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: is he still with you?
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  Speaker 1: Guys?
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  Speaker 3: Is everything okay?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: I'm sitting here wondering are there any unreleased Pitch Clock
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  Speaker 3: episodes that I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that might be quite possible. Jeremy works hard.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking, what's the name of your podcast?
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  Speaker 2: Is he the step Back? I mean, ah, the step Back?
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  Speaker 1: What a great name for a new pod. It really is.
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  Speaker 1: So you got it. He got a basketball pod done
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  Speaker 1: from Metal Lark, and I'm still waiting on you to
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  Speaker 1: get one done here.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, hold on a second, the step back and
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  Speaker 4: you recorded it a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: That's step way back. Yeah, that's the step back. That's
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  Speaker 2: a little extra step. Yep.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: Speaking of James Harden, he's been pretty good since you
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  Speaker 1: ripped a Lonk Coward show.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that was on the Herd. Here's the thing
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  Speaker 2: with James Harden. Yes, you can be good every once
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  Speaker 2: in a while and we can say good job being good,
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  Speaker 2: but when you're god awful two thirds of the time,
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  Speaker 2: that balance is off. As not a star, not somebody
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  Speaker 2: you can rely on. So please don't come championing him,
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  Speaker 2: not you, but people championing him when he's had a
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  Speaker 2: couple maybe two or three games back to back, when
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  Speaker 2: those four out of five games before that were just
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  Speaker 2: god awful, like not even star level, not even average
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  Speaker 2: player level, just terrible.
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  Speaker 3: And if this playoffs hold serve, the Cavs are zero
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  Speaker 3: and five away from home, away from Cleveland in this playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: if this keeps going, Game seven is going to be
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  Speaker 3: in Detroit and they're most likely going.
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  Speaker 2: Home, which means they will have gone the entire playoffs
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  Speaker 2: without their series ever starting.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, I don't think any team's ever done that in
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  Speaker 1: NBA history. I mean, it would be so well rested.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you play two series, but you don't actually
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  Speaker 2: play anything.
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  Speaker 1: Telor you know what, that series has written all over it?
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  Speaker 3: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Game seven? It has Game seven written all over it?
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  Speaker 1: It does, does it not? And then the mixer just
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: waiting around? I love that. Is there anything better than
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: waiting around for your next opponent? I mean, we never
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  Speaker 1: whatever afforded that tailor, and now we're just resting, getting
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  Speaker 1: healthy and waiting around for one of two teams I
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  Speaker 1: think we could beat.
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  Speaker 2: This is a great, great point by Stu. Gott's like,
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  Speaker 2: you guys have been You guys meaning Knicks fans have
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  Speaker 2: been on a roller coaster all season long. Mike Brown,
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, he's going to be terrible. Oh what can
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  Speaker 2: we kind of like him? Oh no? First round of
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs We're gonna lose to the Hawks. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: we're actually great. And now you're sitting back thinking like
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  Speaker 2: you're the class of the East, thinking wow, that James
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  Speaker 2: Dolan really knows what he's doing by firing, uh, firing
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  Speaker 2: Tims and hiring this Mike Brown guy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Brown has four games to go in order for
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  Speaker 1: them to justify the fir ring of Tom Thibodeaux. He's
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  Speaker 1: got to win four months, Yes, four wins to go
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  Speaker 1: for them to justify the firing of Tom Thibodeau.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of firing, Yes, this microphone you're working with, it
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  Speaker 2: looks like it's on fire. It looks like you're giving
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  Speaker 2: that you're lighting up the microphone.
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  Speaker 1: I think we should use this. I think I got
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  Speaker 1: to use this moving forward because you're right, Yes, when
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  Speaker 1: I give hot takes. But it should only light up
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  Speaker 1: when I'm giving the hot take.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a mood ring for microphones. It's a mood mic.
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  Speaker 1: It's a gaming mic. That's what it is. I mean, yes, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: step back wherever you get your podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Should I be mad? I don't know how does this work?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You should go back in time and be mad at
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  Speaker 2: me a year ago?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, why so long for the release, though, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what happens you're in.
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  Speaker 2: Your guess is as good as mine. Man, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Taylor has a question for you, Okay, she related,
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  Speaker 1: I know you have a bevy of fun topics for
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  Speaker 1: us get to and we will do that in a second.
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  Speaker 1: We have a group chat here. I is he sets
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  Speaker 1: his topics three of them. We haven't spoken to him
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of days. Mikey wrote back, sounds like
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  Speaker 1: fun about it?
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  Speaker 2: Now we can't.
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  Speaker 1: It's the holy trifecta of depressing topics. But first, Taylor
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  Speaker 1: has a questioned for Israel goody eras about Oklahoma City.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, topic number three was the Spurge. So
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  Speaker 2: if you can't that's depressing.
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  Speaker 1: Well they are depressing. I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so is he. I was watching the Thunder make
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  Speaker 3: pretty quick work of the Lakers. They sweep them in
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  Speaker 3: four games. They do it without Jalen Williams, and I
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  Speaker 3: feel like this is going to be an unpopular opinion,
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  Speaker 3: but I wanted to get your thoughts on.
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  Speaker 1: It is Jalen.
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  Speaker 3: Williams expandable for this Thunder team because you're watching what
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  Speaker 3: aj Mitchell has done for them. He's on a three year,
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  Speaker 3: eight point seven million dollar deal, and if you move
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  Speaker 3: on from Jalen Williams, you can kind of reset your
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  Speaker 3: your championship window. But it would kind of be unprecedented
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  Speaker 3: because the thunder seemingly are in the championship window.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you to repeat the crux of the
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  Speaker 2: question because he lost me on one vowel.
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  Speaker 1: And this is so fast.
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  Speaker 2: This is a friendly correction. Okay, expendable, expendable Talen Williams
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  Speaker 2: big I heard it too, Jalen Williams bigger. That would
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  Speaker 2: he'd be a keeper. But no, Look, here's what I
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  Speaker 2: thought about Jalen Williams. I thought he'd be a one
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  Speaker 2: time All Star for his career. Uh that was sort
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  Speaker 2: of a perfect storms. As the running mate to Shay
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  Speaker 2: as the best team in the league last year and
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  Speaker 2: him having a great year. I thought he was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that type of player that when everything comes together, he
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  Speaker 2: can be an All Star. Will he be again? Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: But yes, I one hundred percent think he's expendable. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of the model. It's Hey, this is our
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  Speaker 2: super duper star in the middle because we have so
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  Speaker 2: many assets, many of these guys are going to hit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because we have confidence in ourselves. We believe
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  Speaker 2: we can find the right guys. And so yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean they've been doing it all this year period. With
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  Speaker 2: Jaln Williams. How many games did he missed this year is?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it was at least half the season.
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  Speaker 2: It might not have been that much, but and they
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  Speaker 2: were still fantastic. They were still the number one seed.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, he is one hundred percent expendable. And I
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  Speaker 2: do think that if they find, you know, wherever they're drafting,
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  Speaker 2: I know it's in the lottery, but if they find
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  Speaker 2: a player that they think is as good or potentially better,
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  Speaker 2: you can see them starting to give him more responsibilities
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  Speaker 2: that young players starting next year, especially if they repeat
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  Speaker 2: where they're probably going to treat the first half of
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  Speaker 2: the season like, hey, let's just get everybody ready for
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: So Stu, since he's expendable now and we've established that,
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  Speaker 3: that leads round to the next game. Who says no,
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  Speaker 3: I have I have a projected trade that I came
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  Speaker 3: up with. You tell me who says no, Who's getting
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  Speaker 3: a better deal? Okay, So the Thunder have picks twelve
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  Speaker 3: and seventeen this year in the first round, which is
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  Speaker 3: crazy for how for how good they are. But if
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  Speaker 3: you're the Wizards and the Thunder call you and they
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  Speaker 3: offer twelve and they'll take Jalen Williams for number one
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  Speaker 3: in the draft, do you consider it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Wow? I mean you have to consider it?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Well? Is it?
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  Speaker 2: It depends on what you think of that number one talent, right,
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  Speaker 2: So I've been.
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  Speaker 1: How is the number one talent? It's the number one
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  Speaker 1: talent worthy of something like that.
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  Speaker 2: It depends on who you think that Like Aj Debonsa,
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  Speaker 2: they say he is that type, right, Like, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: his game. But when I think of like a classic
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  Speaker 2: small forward who you can you know, plug in and
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  Speaker 2: trust to score a bunch and probably play some decent defense.
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  Speaker 2: I think of Paul Pierce, Like that's the type of
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  Speaker 2: small forward like for you, for your franchise, for a
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  Speaker 2: career that you would be getting in Aj Debonsa. It's
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  Speaker 2: like probably gonna average twenty five twenty six points a
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  Speaker 2: game in his peak, maybe a little higher. And like
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  Speaker 2: I said, you know, physical body can do everything else.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people that question, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is he an offensive talent? Is you franchise player? His
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: jumper looked a little busted in the combine yesterday. I've
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  Speaker 2: been bragging to Taylor since back in I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how long ago, maybe November, that I love Caleb Wilson
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  Speaker 2: as the number one pick, and now I'm getting a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people jumping on that bandwagon with watching his
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  Speaker 2: workouts and saying that he might be the guy in
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  Speaker 2: this draft. So it just really depends on your thinking
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  Speaker 2: on that, Stu. But I do think that most people
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  Speaker 2: believe this is a great draft, that they have four
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  Speaker 2: or five franchise players near the top. So if you
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  Speaker 2: offer that trade, anybody with the number one pick is
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  Speaker 2: going to have a little bit of pause. But you
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  Speaker 2: got to think of the Wizards as a team that's
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  Speaker 2: not young and up and coming. They're trying to turn immediately.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: They got Trey Young and Anthony Davis that's not young,
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  Speaker 2: so they might be willing to trade that number one
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  Speaker 2: pick for the package that Taylor mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the only thing that's going to turn quickly is
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Davis's ankle.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing even has to turn over.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you you like that, yes, and which Jalen Williams.
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  Speaker 1: So we give it up in this trade, the one
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  Speaker 1: that Simmons thinks he's still playing, or the one that's
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  Speaker 1: actually playing.
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  Speaker 2: The one then Simmons thinks it's still playing. Although if
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  Speaker 2: Simmons was the GM Taylor, you could sneak in the
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: other Jaylor Williams and maybe get away.
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  Speaker 1: We love Bill Simmons, we do. I mean he wrote
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: the book on basketball. Taylor loves a French, right. He
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: keeps couching every conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a friend of a friend for me, Billy
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  Speaker 2: Gills friend. So he's my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's my friend too. I think I don't know
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  Speaker 1: he has it returned the call for a one time.
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  Speaker 3: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Can I excuse me?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there you choked up?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Taylor, Taylor mustn't just drop the funniest
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  Speaker 2: joke of all the time because I can't stop laughing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping you laughed long enough where I don't have
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  Speaker 1: to get to any of your depressing topics.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go from Lee's depressing first, Wemby and the spurg.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, so we're doing a metal stand. This
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  Speaker 1: is the bronze medal of Isy's depressing topics for the day. Okay,
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: I like this, it's a new I like this has
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  Speaker 1: a segment on the show. We just get all the
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  Speaker 1: depression out in five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go depressing. Topic of the bronze medal is the
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs and their color scheme. It's it's a
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  Speaker 2: little dumb. Okay, I'm not saying Stu. I love Wenby.
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  Speaker 2: He's a freaking nature fun to watch sometimes, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he's crazy. Like I think you get a
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  Speaker 2: little tired of the you know, freaky, freaking nature guy
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  Speaker 2: with the long arms and doing all this stuff. And
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  Speaker 2: so I'm like, why is it that I don't love
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: watching them play? Like Dylan Harper is so good, Like
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: I want to watch highlights of that guy. Stefan Castle. Man,
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: he can drive and don't get any given time. That's
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: exactly what we want to see from Shay. But for
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  Speaker 2: some reason, my eyes aren't glued to the screen when
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the Spurs and Stu. I think my reasoning
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: has to be very similar to your microphone. Frankly, need
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: some color in there, man, we need some Like when
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: they did the crowd and like it was the three
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: different colors like, Wow, my eyes were glued to that crowds.
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  Speaker 2: Doud I was like, hey, look at that, there's colors
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  Speaker 2: over there, and then on the court it's just black
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  Speaker 2: and white and moving everywhere, and I'm just like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: I think the Spurs need to introduce maybe some of
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  Speaker 2: that color into their uniforms on the daily. Is that
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  Speaker 2: Is that too depressing of a topic for you?
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  Speaker 1: No, so listen, that's why it wins the bronze medal.
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  Speaker 1: It can only get way more depressing from here. So
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you on the Spurs. I agree with
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  Speaker 1: you on the color scheme.
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  Speaker 2: You're tired of watching Wenby play yet, because I'm a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bored, I haven't watched Wenby play all that much.
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  Speaker 2: I have to be honest with you. So I mean
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: you're glued to the NHL playoffs, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean this. I gotta tell you, This Canadian Sabers
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  Speaker 1: series is one of the all time great series. Man,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: in all these hockey series, I'm telling they've been entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: I am glued to the hockey. I am, yes, Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: Is he My bigger problem with Wemby is not so
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  Speaker 3: much that I'm bored by him, but my frustrations come
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  Speaker 3: with It feels like the officials don't know how to
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: an officiate a game with wembin Yama because some of
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: his blocks are very clear goaltending, but he's so tall
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  Speaker 3: that your default is just thinking he could get to everything.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of the Jayleen Williams think AJ
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  Speaker 2: Mitchell might already be there next All Star. Okay, he's
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: a guy that they've really just unleashed this year. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just further ssh your point there, Taylor. But yes, there's
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  Speaker 2: so much that is difficult to officiate with him. It's
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: not just the block shots. It's also he's got so
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: much arms and legs it's hard to tell when other
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: players run into it. Like I was joking to myself yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: I was cracking myself up, joking to myself yesterday that
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: anybody can like swipe the ball out of his hands
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: because when he's posting up, his body's here, but the
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: balls all the way out there, so you can just
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: got to get an arm ount and swipe at it.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of times where he got hit
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  Speaker 2: yesterday and I'm just like that it's gotta be a foul.
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  Speaker 2: But the referees don't see it.
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  Speaker 3: Did. We all have the same thought though that joking
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  Speaker 3: with yourself kind of sounded sad.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's good you.
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  Speaker 1: Did to tell them what's on the zoom was starting.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a sad existence watching me sports. It
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  Speaker 2: really is.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the silver medal of depressing topics.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't so depressing, is he?
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  Speaker 2: That was? I think the silver and gold are kind
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  Speaker 2: of it was visually depressed.
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  Speaker 1: It was the next all right, go ahead, take it away,
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  Speaker 1: silver medal here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna in stert of in terms of sadness,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go silver medal. It's acknowledging. Jason Collins is passing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think everybody knows the first openly gay
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  Speaker 2: athlete to play in the NBA, I think in any
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  Speaker 2: of the four major sports there. And I kind of
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  Speaker 2: this is, you know, this is how the mind works.
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  Speaker 2: Like I kind of came to terms with his passing
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: back when his diagnosis was announced a while back, and
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: it was stage four, stage four, but it was a
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  Speaker 2: very advanced form of brain cancer, and it's just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: tough to think about that. But of all people, right,
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  Speaker 2: this guy's a superhero Man. The guy's gonna live forever,
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  Speaker 2: like legends live forever, and this man's going to live forever.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm curious from you guys, you're guys' perspective. Did
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  Speaker 2: you think that it would open the door to more
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  Speaker 2: gay athletes coming out, because really you have Carl Nassib
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  Speaker 2: and that's about it when it comes to pros, and
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Carl Nastib was very much, you know, just go about
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  Speaker 2: his business and not really be in the news much,
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  Speaker 2: and so just curious, did you think that that was
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  Speaker 2: gonna happen or was this pretty much how you thought?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was just going to be like silence
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  Speaker 2: for you know, the next decade plus.
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking how brave and how courageous he was
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  Speaker 1: to come out and be the first openly gay NBA player.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think at the time that his name was
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  Speaker 1: big enough for it to kind of enhance or like
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  Speaker 1: a dom help more people kind of come out and say, Hey,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I'm playing in the NBA, I'm playing in the NFL,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I am also gay. So I thought I didn't think
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: it would have a massive impact. I thought it would
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: have a bigger impact than it's actually had. But I
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: never thought it was going to have this massive impact
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: from the start, you know, yeah, and.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: You guys think any differently. I'm just seeing if you
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: to offer your opinion. No, I'm trying to.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember if he had come out before.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Michael Sam the Missouri uh Defensive SEC Defensive Player of
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: the Year who was going to be drafted. But he
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: when when he was going to be drafted, he was
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: openly gay and it was going to be a big
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: thing because it was going to be the first NFL
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: openly gay player. Because I remember thinking, it's going to snowball,
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: because it's going it's making it.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: More Okay, College came out first. I figured as much.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: But well, that's a good point that you bring up too.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Because Collins led to Sam probably said Sam left. He
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: fell a couple of rounds in the NFL draft. He
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: was projected second or third. I think he went in
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the fifth round.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: So little and a little yes and no there because
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: whereas Jason came out because he wasn't pressured to come out,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: he just felt like it was time, right like toward
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the end of his career, hoping he could get another
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: stint after he comes out. And uh, you know, be
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: somebody that influenced his people. Michael sam reportedly allegedly was
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: kind of forced out, like it was going to come
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: out anyway, so he just jumped in. And that happens
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: for almost all of these folks who come out. It's
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: that somebody is pushing them along the way and it's
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: just like, all right, fine, I'll do it. So that
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: that's a great point because Jason went, like I said,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: when he came out, It's another reason why it was
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: so admirable, because the only reason was to be open
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: and to be honest. And the reason that I bring
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: that up is because after talking to Jason, I talked
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to him, did an interview with him. I want to
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: say it was twenty eighteen or nineteen, and it was
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: just a lot of the details about when he was
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: closeted and it's basically exactly the fear that you would think.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: And there's just, you know, the one story that really
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: sticks to me that just really pisses me off. But
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: and I'm not even gonna say the player's name. I'll
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: just say he was the point guard. Let's just put
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: it that way. Well, I'm one of Jason's teams and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: they were on a flight and this point guard went
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: was in the back, you know, with his groups of
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: friends and just talking and then randomly, I don't know where,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: in the middle of a flight, just comes up to
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Jason in front of everybody, asked him, Hey, are you gay?
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: And like, imagine, imagine the pit in your stomach when
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you're just sitting there like, I'm just trying to get to,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: you know, our next stop. What are you doing here?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And I believe his answer was something to the effect
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: that he was a little stunned, and he started to answer.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And then at the time he had been I guess
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: fortunate to have a very good female friend who had
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: visited him all the time. And one of his teammates said, nah, man,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: he's got that girl, blah blah blah, and it was like,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: so he kind of got settled for him. But those people,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: meaning the point guard who asked him that question still
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: littered all over the league, still in every single locker
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: room probably and still keeps people from wanting to be
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: able to be who they are in the workplace. So,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: you know, hopefully Jason Collins' legacy will will you know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: last and he will be considered a huge influence in
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: my mind, absolute superhero and you know, rest in peace,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: my brother.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: You of course spoke to him on step back wherever
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you get in your podcast. No, no, then it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Was a documentary that I was working on that just
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: kind of but we don't want to go there now.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Got you thought you thought it was going to have
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a bigger impact, did you not? Is he I remember
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: speaking to you at the time. You thought it would
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: have a bigger impact. I did.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I did. I thought it was and you know, you
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: could even tell after he came out it took a
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: while for a team to even sign him. And then
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I was just more disappointed in that, you know what
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, because everybody loved him. Everybody loved him as
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: a teammate, as a tough guy, as a twelfth player
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: on your bench like that'd be. Maybe it was a
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: great addition, and so you know, it took Brooklyn to
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: do it, but at least it got done.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Taylor was quiet on your Silver Metal topic. It's because
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: he's thinking about Lebron and Jordan. We'll get to that
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: for just a second. Your Gold Medal of Sadness as well. Yeah, man,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: because this one was a shocker.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Brandon Clark died the Memphis Grizzlies forward and you know
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: he'd been with in the team in the league, with
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that team for seven years. And you know there was
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: no report on officially cause of death or waiting on
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the autopsy, but it's being investigated as an overdose because
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: there is drug paraphernalia there and because you know he
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: was recently arrested for driving with a controlled substance. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: so to me, Stu and this one is like, it's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: a tough one to grasp, right, Like if you think, like, yes,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: there are people who are addicted to drugs because they
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: have an addiction, right, they have that personality type whatever
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: you want to call it, characteristic within them that makes
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: them an addict. But what starts them along that way, right,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: it's being unhappy. It's finding an escape, right, because look,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I never did any kind of drugs until I was
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: in my mid thirties. I did some weed, smoked some weed,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and then when I got to forty, when my divorce happened,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I actually did some other recreational drugs and I used
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: them as an escape for the time.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And I can under get away from your pain, to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: get away from your personal pain in the time right, yes.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Yep, Brandon Clark is a millionaire in this country, a
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: young you know, like, what was he twenty nine years old?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: It's he's he was escaping something. And it just hurts
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that to know that you've got all these people around you,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: You've got all these eyes around you from an entire city,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: an entire country, and everybody thinks you're great, and you're
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: sitting there escaping some sort of pain all the time
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: until the point where you accidentally die from it. And
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: it's just like, you know, this isn't one of those
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: check on your people thing, which I'm always I believe in. Yes,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: of course, I'm not just sitting here to say that.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It just makes me think of like, man, it's so powerful.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Whatever it was he was escaping from that overcomes millions
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of dollars, that overcomes fame, that overcomes being beloved, and
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: it's like, no, whatever I'm dealing with is more painful.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I want to escape from that with these drugs, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: then this happens, and it's just it's just super sad man.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And like anybody that thinks that everybody's you know, doing well,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: just you know, look for some signs, do whatever you can.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: But it was just super troubling to hear.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and is you almost wonder how did his injuries
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: this season impact Brendan Clark getting arrested where he only
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: plays two games for the Grizzlies this season. He had
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: multiple injuries this season, and if there's any connection to
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: him being away from the team and him kind of
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: falling into this obvious dark place.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, like there are plenty of athletes
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: that deal with devastating injuries, right, and you deal with
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: it in different ways, Like who's the Phillips the Dolphins
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: guy who's now I believe with the Eagle.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Jordan Jalen Phillips, Jalen Phillips. And I was right the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: first time.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Spen's Colin j Like, he's gone through enough injuries were
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of just like if he was of a certain you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: personality type or whatever, he would have gone down the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: wrong path. So it could be anything but me personally,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: it's just a guess, just a complete conjecture, Like I
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: don't think injuries take him that route. I think whatever
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: he was running from or getting an escape from, it
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: probably amplified it because he had more time to himself.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Can I explain what happened there?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Please do please do? Yes, yes, So.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Jordan Phillips was a twenty fifteen second round pick by
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the Dolphins. I I just heard the name Phillips, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I just I had a fifty to fifty guest of
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: getting right.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: No, you did it. That's not fifty to fifty right there?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I mean Jordan and Jailen, Jordan and Jailen. You name
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: another Phillips on the Dolphins.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. You're right.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, check made it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Sorry, you got it wrong?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Brady is he?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: The other interesting thing about this is these guys professional athletes.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: This is really interesting actually to me, because you are
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: taking the way, you are taking away the thing that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: defines them at such an early age, meaning he's not
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: around the team, and of course that could morphit. All
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: he knows is basketball. All he knows is having teammates.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And I worry about all these athletes once they're left
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to their own devices, and most of them are left
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to their own devices at a very early age where
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: they're confused, they're not certain what they're going to do
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: for the remainder of their life. And of course, when
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you take away the thing that defines you at twenty nine,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: thirty years old, thirty one years old, of course the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: pressure might set in. And your point about he had
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: every reason to be happy and yet somehow he wasn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is such a great point because you think you know people,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and to check in on your friends every now and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: again is very important because a person might seem like
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: they have it all and really you have no idea
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: what's going on inside.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Right, And the one part that I didn't mention is
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: just like this wasn't a full time escape for him, right,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Like in anybody's mind, it's like, yeah, I'm just doing
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: this to get by this certain time.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: He didn't expect to overdose, right, he was just whatever
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Allegedly if that happened, nobody expects to overdose. It wasn't
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: seemingly that's not the way you're going to commit suicide, right,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: So it's just a shock to the system that not
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: only did you have issues, but then oh no, oh no,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you got the wrong batch and I'll or maybe you
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: know whatever whatever happened and now there is no coming
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: back from that, And it's just absolutely like it's why
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: it's the gold medal. It's just absolutely like mind numbingly
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: just sad that it was just a life gone wrong. Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Uh, there's no easy way to transition from that to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a conversation that I always am up for, which is
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Lebron and Michael. Before we get to that conversation, though,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: was he let me ask you this, And perhaps I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: getting ahead of myself, and I don't know what Nick
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: fans getting mad at me. Taylor don't get mad at me.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: How did the Knicks match up with Oklahoma City? I mean.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: You're looking ahead, aren't you. Well, yes, if they get
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: past let's just say, which team do you think it's
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: going to be? Cleveland or the Pistons?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter the same team, Okay, Well, I mean
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you're right.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It's a guard heavy team with strong, you know, defenders
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: interior and the interior. I think if they were to
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: get past the Pistons, let's say it's a Cade Cunningham
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: offense with offensive rebounders and crazy defenders all around them,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I think it would give them more of the sort
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: of you know, dress rehearsal for the thunder than if
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: it was Cleveland Cleveland and a little bit all over
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the place, a little less heliocentric. Sometime if it's James
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Harden going, he can take the ball. Sometimes if it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell going, he can take the ball. And you're
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: kind of confused sometimes as to how they use the bigs.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: But I think they would probably match up pretty well
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: because they could score with them. Like I think they
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: found their offense that it isn't so predictable and they
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: could score with them, and yeah in Matt case, and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: then it's just a matter of, hey, how do we
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: solve the SGA problem? Because SGA versus Brunton is a mismatch.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Even though the Pacers lost to them, I think the
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Pacers kind of had the blueprint to beating the thunder
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: team and pushing it as as far as that series did,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: where you have to just turn games against them into
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: a track meet and not try to slow them down
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: thinking you're going to get the stops because realistically you're
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: not going to get too many stops with how affishing
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: their offense is.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing with so they their defense is
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: they're very trusting of each other and it's helped you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: if somebody goes to be aggressive on the ball, they
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: know behind them they're going to be covered. The part
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: where that becomes a little bit dicey, as if it's faster, right,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: It's like the faster you go, the more decisions that
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: have to make, and the more likely they're gonna somebody's
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: gonna say, oh no, and they left the dude, you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: open the corner. And so yeah, if you pick up
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the pace in the game, it's probably your best option.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: The only thing is with the Knicks, do they have
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the guys that can handle bring it up and really
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: push it? Probably? I think Bridges can do it. I think,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you know, as long as he's good, o g can
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: do it. But for the most part, even kat Ken
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit of he with the magic. So I
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: do think they match up pretty decently. And I'm saying
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: that without looking up at the regular season numbers. But
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at those now.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: All right, good, you can look at them after the fact. Taylor,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: what do you have for us on a Jordan and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Lebron a conversation? I'm always up for it's in fact,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: it's all I want to do. I just want to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: discuss Jordan and Lebron. Go ahead, Jordan, Yes.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: The god so the Lebron Michael Jordan conversation we could
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: all agree. Whatever side you're on, it's seemingly never going
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: to go away.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Whatever you're wrong. Yes, at the very least, sports.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Unless you're on Jordan's side.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Sports media is gonna continue this debate until the end
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: of time. But I have a question for you guys.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: What was Michael Jordan not able to do?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Make the Major League play Baseball pick a winner.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Close?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: And this is how Michael, this is how Lebron James
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: could get one over on Michael Jordan. Lebron has to
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: go to Washington and win in Washington.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: So go to the Wizards and win. Just make the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: playoffs like Eastern Conference semi finals, and you're gonna count
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that as a ring. What are you doing here?
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: So if Lebron goes to Washington and it's him, Anthony Davis,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Trey Young, and Darren Peterson, agent de Bonds and whoever
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: they add with that number one pick, if that team
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: wins a title, the conversation's over.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so so yeah, yeah, but that seems
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: not winning a title.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Soda and Lebron James have already won a title together.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Wait, so you're saying, you're saying at this stage, at
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: this stage, of his career. This is a last gasp
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: effort to try to get Lebron James past Michael Jordan.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I think the only way you could do it is
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: by going to the Wizards of winning a title there.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I think what Taylor's saying is it is the one
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: absolute move that there's no doubt that the debate is
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: over because he literally did what Michael couldn't do.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, but then Michael went on to NASCAR and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you know he won there, and yeah, I mean.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: This is the must.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Well, there's still the six versus five thing. If Lebron
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: did indeed pull that off, six rings for Lebron five
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I mean six for Michael, five for Lebron, really eight
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: for Michael if you count the two years he took off.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: How about if Lebron makes the major leagues?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, that's a whole different question.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Now have you seen him swing a golf club? I
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: don't think he's I don't think he's going proing something
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: other than basketball.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's all the craziest thing, dude, did
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you see they were showing silhouettes of golf swings and
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Rory McElroy named every single one of them. Correctly, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: they weren't even all golfers. Lebron James was on the list.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yes he got a few. He got Jordan Speeth before
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: he even swung the club. Just the way he was standing, unbelievable.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: That is, are you into the PGA Championship this weekend?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Of course he sneaking golf fan?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Your guy? Why is it always Cam Young? There's other
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: players on tour, man.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I know, I just so when I started to become
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a Cam Young fan is when he started his move,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: right when he started winning tournaments. And I'm just like,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I think this is my doing. I think me as
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a fan has boosted his career, and so I'm just
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: gonna take this ride as long as it goes. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: if you look, I mean, I think he's shooting up
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the charts in certain in terms of favorites for this,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I think he might be second or third now behind Scotti.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Scheffler plus fifteen hundred. It's a pretty good.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Price, yep. It's so much more fun talking Lebron and
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Michael