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Episode 54 - Excitement and Thoughts about Obi-Wan Kenobi Episode 3 (SPOILER ALERT!) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there. It's time for most things
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Kenobi. Shouldn't it be all things
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Kenobi. Hmm.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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those things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren and I'm
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your host Leanne and this week we are diving in to episode 3 of
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the Kenobi series. Holy shit.
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Like holy shit. I know like, oh my God, I
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watched it when it came out I stayed up till like 2:00 a.m.
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and was screaming At my laptop for an hour because I watched it
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as soon as I woke up and was screaming at my television, like
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I was there's there's all kinds of ways.
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We could describe episode 3 of the Kenobi series but like,
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thank you for what we got. This was bold.
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Yeah, it was Brave and I died Leanne.
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And LeAnn had a moment of ecstasy.
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I'm sure I started watching it. I was 10 minutes in and I was
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like, I picked up my phone and texted her, I know you're
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asleep, but when you wake up, you're gonna fucking lose your
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mind when you watch this episode and I did and it was glorious.
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Oh my God, my soul left my body. Mine too.
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I sat there for like a good hour.
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I was like pacing my hotel room. Just like what did I just see?
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Like what if Just been watching for real.
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That's the statement. That's the statement that sums
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up. Episode 3 is what did I just
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watch and not in a bad way in a good way?
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No in a good way. And like, not even just the
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ending, which, of course, if you've seen it, spoiler alert.
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If you haven't seen it, do not listen to this episode go.
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No. Turn batch.
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It first. Yes, turn back now, we are not
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holding anything back. Okay.
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No. Not even just the ending, like
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it's a whole episode had Hobbies like little Eels in it that I
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was just like what? And like it just escalated until
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the last scene made my brain explode.
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And like you said, my soul left, my body.
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Totally totally, there were so many little things nestled in
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this episode that like made it wonderful.
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And truly like, you know, jaw-dropping at different points
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where I was just like, oh my God, like for instance, they
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mentioned Quinlan Voss. I know I was so, oh my God, I
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was so, Excited, when he said quinlan's name and then the yeah
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option to that used on the wall. Like that was a that was so I
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really would be happy if Quinlan shows up right?
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Like, okay, Obi-Wan even looked like happy that he made it out
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like Quinlan like yes, but you and I are happy because we're
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thinking Quinlan like I know it's like can we get a favorite
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Clone Wars? Episode is him and Quinlan?
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I was thinking of it, too. Like how messy they are
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together. Yeah.
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And yet they all, we've always said how they always have like,
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a love and respect for each other as opposite as they are on
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the Spectrum from one another, you know what I mean?
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Yes. Yeah.
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As Jedi, their padawans at the same time and I'm sure that they
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were like, in the same class, crazy, whatever you want to call
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it, there of the same age and they grew up together.
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Yeah, I just feel like I would love to see them.
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Oh my God. I would love to see that in real
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life, like live action. That was so fucking cool.
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And there are actors who we are on the roster, but we haven't
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seen them yet true in the show, so, it's possible.
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Yeah, I don't know. It's just like right from the
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beginning. The very first the very opening,
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right? You see like Obi-Wan meditating
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and they enter cut it with Vader.
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Being put together, basically has every piece of that scene.
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Dean gave me like chills times like, to the nth degree.
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Yeah, it's so cool to see the Pieces come together.
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I, you know, we've never quite seen that before.
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Yeah. Like all the things that he and
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he has to hang there. Yeah.
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You can't stand. He can't be.
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So he's hanging while they like attach his legs and his arms and
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his breathing apparatus all of it.
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Do you know how fucking irritated Anakin probably is
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every single time he has to wait for all of his pieces to be put
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together? I mean it's no wonder what
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happens at the end of this episode happens.
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Like that suppressed Rage. That's constant, you know, which
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is it was all part of Palpatine's plan is to keep him
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enraged constantly. Right?
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And well, he's helpless at the same time like he has to like
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helplessly let the droids Put him together.
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Like yeah well what an interesting Duality there that
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like he builds droids at now they have to pay him together.
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Whatever morning basically truth be told.
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That's one of the things I love about the Anakin Darth Vader
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character is that it's totally flipped on its head.
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He had such a love for Droids, he made his own Droid, he always
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respected machines and then he became one.
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It's like, yeah, I love shit like that.
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And not only that. But did you see?
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I know we got it in the in. Preview the trailer but the arm
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he received as a Padawan with ob wise the arm they focus on.
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Yeah. And it's just so bittersweet
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because he held padme's hand in marriage with that arm.
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And now it's literally a weapon of Destruction.
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Yeah. Which we see later.
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Oh my God, I can't wait to talk about it.
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I know I have to hold on to it till the end because it's like
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the last thing I dislike. Of course it's The first thing
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we want to talk about but I loved the intercutting event
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scene because of course, seeing Vader put together and
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everything is really cool but at the same time they're capturing
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it with what Obi-Wan is going through and he is, it's almost
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like prayer, you know, he's like got his hands folded and he
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keeps saying like Master Qui-Gon give me strength and then.
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Yeah, as he says he's coming, then they cut to Vader.
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And it's the breathing. It's like the audio goes down to
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zero and you just hear Vader breathing.
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It's so Which is good. It's literally all you need.
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That's it. That's all you need.
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He is the world's best villain for a reason.
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You don't have to see him. You don't have to, you know,
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anything. You just have to hear him its
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iconic. It is so I just love it.
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I love it. I love that they're having James
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Earl Jones Through The Voice still to it.
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You literally you just took it right out of my head.
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What I was going to say and David girl, Joan is Jones is
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back again to bitch slap everyone with his amazing voice.
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He is the king. I'm he's everything.
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He's such a great actor and I would love to do an episode
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about him someday, but I'm so I'm real happy that he's back.
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Yes, right. It's you can't substitute it.
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You know, there's no substitution, we're going to
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have to someday, unfortunately, because, you know, not all, not
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all things last, but I'm so glad we have him now.
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Well, maybe, they'll find a way to like, computerised, his voice
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with enough. Well, I'm sampling I'm sure
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there's someone out there training right now, to take his
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place when the time comes like, you know, this, right?
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Jimmy Fallon. Can literally do anyone's voice?
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There has to be someone out there who can do it, but none of
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this matters. We have James Earl Jones right
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now in the Kenobi Series. So there is this scene of him
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talking to Riva right at the beginning?
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Which, yes, I thought I loved that.
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They showed Vader's castle. Like I like I said, I would move
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in there tomorrow. 100%, that is a diva's castle and I just
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great. The thing I love is how over the
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top it is it's a literal Throne on the planet where you
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basically lost your human life, right?
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It's it's like I'm sure that they talk about it somewhere in
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Cannon but it just it's like to remind yourself every day of the
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know, that's what. Did it like you are the way you
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are? So that's why it's so fucking
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extra, it's extra, and it's so Skywalker.
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I don't give a fuck. I know he's Darth Vader right
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now but it's the cape swish of him.
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Walking that is so Skywalker to build that kind of Castle in the
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place where it would enrage. You the most constantly is so
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it's so over-the-top and exactly what I want.
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And It looked great. Yeah, it looks really pretty.
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Just looked great everything like all the imagery of Vader is
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really beautifully done and like it's interesting to
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cinematically because he's very centered in all of the frames
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which implies that like he has no problems with being the way
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he is. And like granted, I'm sure he
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doesn't like being a machine, but he's very like centered in
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his power right now. That's really clear from the
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cinematography. And I think that's so cool.
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Yeah it well I mean we're talking Ten Years After the
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incident right. So he's gotten time to not be so
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awkward in the machine that he calls himself that is himself,
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you know. So it probably I mean shit I
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don't know mentally he's not okay with any of it but
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physically and put like as far as a position with Palpatine,
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he's a pretty solid and I did like first of all Riva Love.
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I'm loving her character more and more every week same.
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She's she's interesting as hell. I can't wait to see where this
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goes, but I found her confidence in front of Vader, refreshing
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because most people cower in front of him.
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Yeah, she stood there like, like not an equal but pretty close.
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She looked him in the eye. She spoke to him strongly.
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Mmm. You know what I mean?
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She didn't bow down, I really like that.
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And I like that. It came from a woman, I do too.
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And when he said, like, if you play, what did he say to her?
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Exactly. Like if you prove yourself the,
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you'll be grand Inquisitor. She didn't say anything.
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She didn't say thank you. My Lord, nothing like that.
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She just says stoic staring at him and like, would rather not
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play any cards, you know, she just doesn't show anything.
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It's really good, I'm really enjoying life.
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I think Moses Ingram is doing an amazing job, Moses.
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Ingram nailing it. And she looks great.
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And oh my God. If it were me acting in front of
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Hayden with the Vader suit on I would still be scared because
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like even even you and said yeah you see this giant black suit
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imposing figure walking towards you on set and you can't help
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but be like whoa shit. Yeah, you know, yeah for sure.
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I mean I was afraid of Vader and VR.
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It was terrifying. So right?
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And I have to say to that, like all the interactions with
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Obi-Wan and Leia, are giving me major Obi-Wan and Numa Vibes.
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Very, very and not only that, he is so sweet with her.
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And she is will say the character of land, not the
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actress, but little Leia is becoming more comfortable and I
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loved how when they got in the farming truck, you know?
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And they you know it's to ride. That she just played along with
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story and came up with the story and she was better at it.
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Like you was, she was like more agile.
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Yeah. Right.
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And it really lends to when Leia eventually has to go pretend and
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save Han. Oh yeah, you know, in what is
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it? Return of the Jedi?
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Yeah, you know, you see where she's getting it from and man,
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what a smart little cookie. She's a perfect balance of
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Anakin and That made perfect balance, she is.
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And I know that people are giving this child actress a lot
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of shit. I mean, there's been a lot of
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shit being slung with this. That is frustrating to see, but
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like it's beyond frustrating. She's doing such a good job.
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I think she's fantastic. She's so good.
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And I'm loving her performance and it's it kind of struck me.
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And this is I guess obvious maybe, but like she is Like
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through Leia Obi-Wan is being reintroduced to the world.
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You know and it's like this child's experience is like the
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thing that's kind of starting to break the walls down that he had
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built up around him you know and it's like you see him he still
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has moments like when he turned her and he's like people are not
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all good Leia like it was right. It's like he never spoke to
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people that way before you know like never and this is because
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he's been, he's learned his lessons the hard way, you know
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by being terrible things happen and he doesn't want Leo to fall
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into that trap, but he's That is like slowly softening because
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Leia is just open. Still, she's a child who's like
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an open book. Having these experiences with
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the world the world's, because they keep Planet hopping but
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like it's actually really fun to see that.
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I think it's a really beautiful technique that they're using to
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like, Maybe we should just get into this right now.
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Like why don't? We because we need to this needs
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to be addressed because we're both fucking sick of this
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everyone. Talking about, Obi-Wan being
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weak. Yeah, let's talk about it
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because you and I have been talking about it behind the
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scenes for several days now and we're, we're here to address
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this. Yeah.
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In our way, with our opinion of it.
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Yes. Would you like to start it?
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Yes, I went mice. People are really disappointed
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that Obi-Wan isn't more in his power.
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It's like, why would he be correct?
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He's had some of the most traumatic experiences a person
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could possibly have and he's carrying responsibilities on top
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of that so he has no time to actually process that trauma,
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even though you could say, he's been there 10 years.
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That's if you've ever been through something traumatic, you
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can't force yourself to work through.
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It necessarily, it has to be in its own time.
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I'm and so I also believe he's closed himself off from the
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force in an attempt to protect Luke and probably himself.
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Yes, that's his goal. That is his purpose and he will
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do anything including shut himself off from all of that has
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ever been a part of his life before to help this little boy
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and now his sister. Yes.
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And I would, I would never Expect him to pick up a
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lightsaber. He has actively avoided using
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And wield it like he did at the in the prime of his fighting in
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the Clone Wars. It's just it would be
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unbelievable. Not realistic and a
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disappointment. If I saw that yeah we've already
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seen op1. Be that way.
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We've seen him at his prime, we've seen him in his full
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strength. That's not what this story is.
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This is a broken person. Exactly.
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And it's about the story. Yes.
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And the story is, how do you rebuild a broken person?
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That's what we're seeing. Like, if Obi-Wan came out of the
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gate and was a fucking bad-ass Jedi, who is like kicking to be
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stupid, can Vader's ass yet, like that's not a story that's,
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that's it's, it might be entertaining, but I promised
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people that if you let the story unfold and they, they actually
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take it in a direction where they You built him.
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It's going to be way more validating for you as a viewer
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to watch him overcome that then to have him just like fly out
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the gate, good old. Obi-Wan the way he always was
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because that isn't what this story is.
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Yeah. And let's talk about the scene
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itself, he tells Leia to run, he's going to draw Vader away
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from her, his goal isn't to come out swinging.
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He doesn't want to draw attention to the fact that he's
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even carrying a lightsaber and that he knows that He could use
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it if he tapped into it. He's trying not to cause too
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much of a stir just to take Vader away from her.
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Again, his purpose is protecting these young Skywalker's.
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Yes. And one false move and it's
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over. So he told her to run.
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He's, I think he even said I'm gonna draw him away.
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Yeah, it does say that. And he only, as Obi-Wan has
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always done uses that lightsaber in defense.
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Yes. And I think it's incredible
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acting on U n--'s part to show the pain and the difficult.
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He actually took a second hand and had to grip the lightsaber
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because he was trying. I mean, the scene was trying to
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show, he needed that extra oomph to hold it against Peter, who is
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strong who hasn't wavered, who's had time to build his strength
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in his new metal body and he has a vendetta against Obi-Wan.
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So, all B wants already working with.
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Very little, he's got a lot going against him.
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He's got mental Strife. He's got physical Strife because
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he's cut himself off for a fucking decade from doing any of
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this. And he's staring at the face of
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his best friend and brother. And he says, what have you
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become? I mean, if it were me and I,
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this was the first time I was looking face to face with His
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best friend and that's what he looked like.
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I would be too stunned to move. That's the think.
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People are forgetting that ob1 didn't know what to expect.
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And so, he watches this nightmare of a figure walk down
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the street and murder a Street. Full of people.
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Yes. And he's doing that to draw
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Obi-Wan out. So it's also kind of like, quote
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Obi-Wan's fault like he's not able to stop it and Vader's
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doing it. As of him, it's like no one is
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taking into account at least. No one.
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Who is saying that Obi-Wan is, is running away.
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It's like, no shit, dude. First of all, I'd be afraid to,
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like, he's allowed to have fear, and that's the thing.
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He said it to lay it at the beginning.
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When you have the force, it's like turning on the light and
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darkness and you feel safe and he has not been doing that for
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himself. He has been cut off from the
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force, he feels unsafe now. He's literally looking his worst
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nightmare. In the face.
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And and so I give him the space to be afraid.
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We've never seen ob1 be afraid. So it's actually kind of
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interesting. And of course, the last time he
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was fighting this person, he hurt him very badly.
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Yeah, he had the upper hand. Yeah.
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And he doesn't want to recreate that scenario, which has been
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haunting him for 10 years, where he at, once again, hurts his
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brother. So I think that scene was
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actually really beautifully done.
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I do too because now Vader is on the side that Obi-Wan was on ten
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years ago. Yes.
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And of course he's going to use that to his Advantage.
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He's been listen Vader's been waiting for this moment.
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As much as Obi-Wan's been trying to avoid this moment or didn't
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realize it and then he now he realizes it and now he has to
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face it. Right?
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Yeah. And of course it called Nate's.
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With the incredible. I'm just going to say it as
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fucked up and twisted as it was it was beautiful when he threw
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that glass down. I didn't quite know what was
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going on but when he just calmly touched it with his red
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lightsaber and it ignited, I said this is exactly what I
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fucking want. This is the like I told you.
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This is the pop and the flare. In the over drama that I expect
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from Vader and his first encounter with Obi-Wan since the
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incident right to drag him. In the manner that Obi-Wan
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literally drug him through, like to put him in Flames to set him
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on fire. It's an eye for an eye.
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Yeah, and they show Vader for a very long moment.
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His helmet with the Flames reflecting in the eye plates of
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his helmet and beautiful. I loved every second of that you
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want to talk about deep symbolism.
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And you could say obvious symbolism.
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That's what I want. Yeah.
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Because, you know, Anakin Is in that suit, pissed off that lob
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one got away but he had his moment, right?
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Obi-Wan was screaming I mean kudos to you and for that scream
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I felt that scream. Oh my god.
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Did you notice do that it sounded like Anakin screaming?
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Yes. Yeah.
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Almost made me wonder if they overlap some of the audio
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because his screaming was identical to Hayden's.
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Yeah, it's not by mistake. It can't be.
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Oh no, I don't think so at all and I think that That's why the
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scene literally like. First of all, I think this might
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be one of the most brutal things I've ever seen in Star Wars.
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They literally not the only one, A friend of mine.
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Dan, who was, who is on the star cruiser with us.
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He deemed me and said that is one of the most ruthless things
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I've ever seen. I was like, that's why we love
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it here. I mean, I'll send me an idiot
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but very hard. It was hard to watch it.
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Absolutely. Was it.
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Was story-wise, it is the right choice.
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Anything else wouldn't have worked as well and and it
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wouldn't have the impact that it needs to have, right?
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It's so, like, 0, b. 1 is literally now forced to face the
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deepest, most horrific fear. And now he has lived it and
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experienced what his best friend has gone through and now it's
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the Civil ISM of purification. In through fire.
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Yes, nailed it. Yes, exactly.
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So Anakin had his purification Through Fire and you could argue
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that it brought out his true nature which was Darth Vader and
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ob1, we'll see what happens in the next episode, but I suspect
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this purification Through Fire is going to bring out the
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compassion that is natural and Obi One that now he'll have some
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sort of compassion and sympathy in a way that he didn't have
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before. And it is the thing that's
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going. Going to let him rebuild now.
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He has seen all these different people.
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He's encountered all these people including Leia and tala
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and haja or Pasha you know all these people putting their lives
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on the line and he's been like really holding it tight to
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protect himself and protect Luke and now he's literally faced his
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worst fear. It can't get worse than it just
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got. So the only place to go from
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here is up. And I think that's beautiful
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storytelling. I do too.
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It has to be something crazy like this.
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Like it can't just be a cute. Little kid makes him suddenly a
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Jedi. Again, it has to be a fucking I
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hate to use this term but it's a term that's used not just
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religiously. It's the natural term from
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Joseph, Campbell the crucifixion of our souls, right?
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This is Obi-Wan's crucifixion and it's because it's the whole
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like cycle, right? He's done it.
24:39
And he didn't do it to Anakin but he didn't rescue Anakin from
24:43
the Flames so Anakin sees this as Obi-Wan's fault.
24:46
So now Obi-Wan has experienced what his brother is experience.
24:50
It's like like, whoever wrote this really understood it and so
24:57
the people who are bitching about it, Don't understand the
25:03
deeper mythology of the storytelling behind it.
25:07
And that's why I feel so frustrated.
25:09
I would also like to ask all of the people, the naysayers who
25:13
were afraid of the PG-13 or whatever rating it has, how
25:17
they're feeling right now. How all your naysayers feeling
25:21
seriously, I was like, not a kids show.
25:23
This isn't even an adult show. This is like we just watch,
25:27
somebody get burned alive, holy fuck.
25:30
Literally in burning glass and just like held the shot there
25:36
for a really long time. It was like it was a lot.
25:40
Now, granted, we have to be realistic about a few things.
25:44
His hair should be singed off. His fired should be singed off.
25:48
His clothes should be stuck to his body, not just a few cuts
25:51
and we'll call it quits. But yeah, it's fantasy but they
25:56
were bold enough and what I think smart enough How to do
26:01
this. Yeah.
26:03
I mean like I told you I think I want to change the method in
26:09
which Darth Vader. Kills me.
26:14
I think I want to chain you set this message to me.
26:16
I'll I died. So okay just hear me out
26:20
listeners because Lauren's already heard it.
26:22
You know how I've always wanted to kind of be the person who is
26:25
thrown to the ceiling and slept and like sliced in half on, you
26:29
know, via Rogue one. I'm changing that I want to be
26:32
the woman who is forced choked and drug through the middle of
26:35
the street and left to die. When I saw that I said, this is
26:39
my Darth Vader, folks. This is him.
26:41
This is it. I know I get it.
26:44
That's fucked up. I get it, I admit it.
26:48
But if we're going there, just go there.
26:49
And they went there. And I'm so happy.
26:53
Honestly, I love that they are this bold because it's really
26:59
scary, and we need to really be afraid of Vader.
27:03
And yes, not that scary in the original trilogy, he's more like
27:07
Mysterious, he's supposed to be scary but this is like when he
27:11
was walking down the street and just randomly pulling people and
27:15
killing people and snapping necks.
27:17
And choking people, I love that moment to where Obi-Wan has now
27:20
left the the Droid repair shop and he's like out in the alley
27:25
and Vader had like Nach that box of crates over and there's the
27:28
two people like hugging each other behind you.
27:31
And then he liked the way they use.
27:33
Audio is so perfect again. It went to silence like the
27:36
brother. 220 and Vader turns, right?
27:39
Where Obi-Wan supposed to be? Yo, I got goosebumps just
27:43
talking about it, that shit would scare me.
27:47
I would run so fast the other direction.
27:49
Yeah, but that is, that was so good.
27:52
I mean, the snap like the head snap, like, like, like an
27:56
animal, that smells something that sense is something and
27:59
hones in on it. It's so good.
28:02
Like, I know Hayden's underneath that suit, but brother, brought
28:06
it, you know what I mean? Yeah, it was amazing.
28:08
You kind of have that Swagger and that you could kind of tell
28:11
that it's Hayden the way that like when they showed the hands
28:14
while he's walking I know it sounds super weird but like he
28:16
has a physicality to him that other actors don't have.
28:19
So like you could kind of tell that that was him.
28:21
Well my like I'm literally got goosebumps thinking right now.
28:27
So happy with my life. I'm so happy with all of this.
28:30
It's great. You're saying, well, I swear to
28:32
God, if we don't even get the next three episodes, I'm in
28:34
love, I love this story. I love this. show, I think they
28:38
have done just They have just done it.
28:41
So, right, and I was talking to Journey, which a lot of our
28:47
listeners know, journey is a great journey.
28:50
Hey Jody. Hey girl.
28:51
It's she made a point and she's so fucking right that it's the
28:57
Mandalorian and book a Boba Fett are very good, but their tones
29:01
were like all over the place. Yes, this is very focused.
29:05
Obi-Wan is very, very focused. Yes.
29:07
And it needs to be though, it needs to be, it does.
29:09
Yeah. You have a character that we
29:11
know and love that has a lot of information.
29:13
We have a bad story, we have a future, we have.
29:15
What is death is we have what's beyond death for Obi-Wan so they
29:19
have to be very focused and complete in their story booking,
29:24
their planning of this. Then the, the story mapping I
29:28
guess is what I'm trying to say because I mean, and they're, in
29:33
my opinion, I think they're on the right track for 3 episodes.
29:37
Then we have three to go next week's going to be very key
29:39
because Like what you call him like swampy.
29:42
Obi-Wan or what's the word? You won't be.
29:44
Yeah, won't be yes. We're gonna go gonna be only
29:49
one. Gives me the Obi-Wan whomp and I
29:51
will die the happiest woman on this planet.
29:54
I guess. I hope we're sitting here next
29:56
week at this time. Discussing all the Clone Wars,
29:58
flashbacks with Hayden and Obi-Wan in.
30:02
I'm sorry. Hayden.
30:02
An Obi-Wan, excuse me. Hey, okay, Anakin and Obi-Wan
30:07
for Hayden and Ewan. Pick your pick.
30:10
Pairing in Clone Wars armor. That's all I ask for.
30:13
That's a God. Yes, I want.
30:15
I want him to be like in a fever dream where he sees.
30:19
I want him to like Whispers two teens name and I want him to see
30:24
flashbacks from the Clone Wars and wake up and realize.
30:28
Oh, I'm not in that anymore. Like, oh my God, I want this so
30:31
badly. If we can get a Satine
30:34
flashback, even just a, just a flashing image.
30:37
Just someone with the with a fuzz doubt face, they Don't even
30:40
have to have like, you know, can't blanch it.
30:43
But please just Cate Blanchett. Please tell people it just a
30:47
fuzz down face, you know, someone that we would know by
30:49
the headrest something. The Gown we would recognize the
30:53
headdress instantly, that's all we would need.
30:55
Oh my God, I am literally Goosebumps again.
31:00
I want to kind of talk about the underground that we got
31:02
introduced to a honestly there's two other things that I really
31:05
want to talk about and they're like an idea of something,
31:08
they're totally indifferent. Places in the storyline.
31:11
So do you? Let's cover it?
31:13
Which one do you want to talk about?
31:15
Just the Stormtrooper that fell through the electrified fence
31:18
and got severed in half? Why is it always me talking
31:21
about people getting severed? It's on my list.
31:24
Is it on your list? Okay, I just thought it was a
31:27
cool effect, glad they showed it.
31:30
It was I think I said to you a message saying that, that was
31:33
the bombers, like, oh, the bar has moved.
31:36
Like, the bar has moved. Not a kids show.
31:38
Yeah, and still not picking. PG-13.
31:41
So they showed it to because showed it on Clone Wars, they
31:45
have cut some people in half and actually I just re-watched the
31:49
seizure of Mandalore and that is that horrific moment where I've
31:52
totally forgot about this. But we're mall is holding with
31:56
the force. One of the Troopers arms through
31:58
the door that door, like cut his arm off.
31:59
I was like, oh my God. But this, they always cut away.
32:03
So you don't see it. It just is implied.
32:06
We saw it in this show. They cut a person.
32:10
The only cut we saw was through the abdomen, which I guess we've
32:16
seen once before, with Mall, God Rest, his soul frou-frou, God
32:21
Rest him really quick. Speaking of Mall, did you catch
32:27
the like symmetry of what Vader was saying to?
32:29
What mall said, 220 be one where Vader said now you will suffer
32:33
Obi-Wan and Mall said, oh yes, I did.
32:36
Yes, thank you Jennifer. As I had first of all, I was
32:39
feeling. He's feeling a lot of things in
32:41
that moment, but I remember it registering in my brain, like,
32:45
oh, that's something, but I was so involved with what I was
32:47
seeing that was like, you know, but you know how your brain
32:51
moves fast, yes, it's making a list, exactly, that's what
32:56
happened but you're right. You're right, whoever, whoever,
33:00
collaborated and wrote this in and put all of this into it.
33:03
They paid attention, they really did.
33:06
They just know. They like knew the material and
33:09
then they understood. The mythology and like I just
33:13
love that I'm seeing. This is okay, I'm going to just
33:17
spaz out for a second. This is the hero's journey.
33:20
Like, Obi-Wan is getting his own, hero's journey.
33:24
And he is in the stage that Luke was in, in The Last Jedi.
33:29
There is a stage of the hero's journey where the hero now has
33:32
all the knowledge and wisdom, which Obi one knows the truth.
33:35
Now, he knows who the Sith Lord is he knows what his friend has
33:38
become. And then you escape with the
33:41
boom. Right.
33:42
So he takes the child and he escapes to Tatooine and goes
33:47
into hiding and this is where the hero becomes just like, so
33:52
distraught that with the knowledge that he has that he
33:54
can't function anymore. And so like he just kind of
33:57
recedes into himself and this is being done beautifully in the
34:01
story, it takes an outsider finds him heals him and returns
34:07
him to the regular world where Then begin becomes.
34:11
He crosses the final threshold to become the hero.
34:15
Once again, Leia, is that person?
34:20
It wasn't done properly in The Last Jedi.
34:22
Like Luke wasn't actually healed and that's why this, you can
34:27
see, Obi-Wan is healing and it, he's Crossing these thresholds,
34:33
it's just such good writing and I'm so pleased to see that he's
34:38
getting the proper treatment. Meant as a character to like
34:41
bring him full circle, it just the character deserves it.
34:45
He's been put through so much. Yes, and I don't think so.
34:52
On the point of The Last Jedi, I don't want to get into it too
34:56
much because everyone knows how we feel about that.
34:58
That was easy. The setup is much better in this
35:04
regard and thus, the outcome will be a lot better.
35:07
Yes, because it's a different team.
35:10
Production team different writers and they worked with
35:13
filoni on everyone Point Blank period.
35:17
End of story pushing. Now, I mean, so we've seen how
35:21
he's tried to like repair, how people feel about Luke in a
35:25
book, all the fat, so lemon DeLorean.
35:27
And so we know he would not let that happen to 0 b 1.
35:30
So, in this is, we never went into this thinking, it would
35:33
happen and we're not seeing it, so I'm quite pleased.
35:37
Yeah, I'm sure, I trust, I trust that this story is going.
35:40
To end properly. And Deborah Chow is doing an
35:44
excellent. Excellent.
35:44
Cho. Ciao.
35:45
Ciao. She's amazing.
35:47
And you could see when we were talking earlier about how, like,
35:50
the like it Stone isn't all over the place, they have one
35:53
director, they have the same executive producing team.
35:56
They have the same team of writers and if fucking shows the
36:01
difference is obvious to me like Mandalorian was all over the
36:07
place, every episode in season one was just like Was so
36:10
disjointed, I'm not saying it was bad.
36:12
It was fun. No, it was Italy season.
36:15
Two people look entry. Yes, it's good and like people
36:18
love it for a reason, but from a story position, it was just like
36:23
every episode at a different tone and that was really
36:26
difficult and I know Clone Wars had that sort of, but not really
36:31
because they had the same executive producers, the same
36:34
director, you know, the show was being run by filoni, so it
36:38
always had that same touched. Throughout at all.
36:41
And this, the ob1 shows just so consistent and it's so fucking
36:45
refreshing. It's like watching a movie
36:49
that's just, you know, doled out in our long segments.
36:54
I mean, it's it's just that good.
36:57
Yeah, it's really good. It's really good.
36:59
I'm very, I'm so happy. I am to and I can't wait to see
37:03
what happens next week. This is great.
37:06
I'm dying to know what comes next, girl, can we please talk
37:09
about the Sittin in the transport please.
37:13
Yes, between Obi-Wan and Leia. Like the whole sequence where
37:16
they get it, and just really funny.
37:18
Side note freck the creature driving, the truck.
37:22
Yeah. Is he made by Zach Braff from
37:25
Scrubs? So, it is this shit.
37:28
I didn't know that. Well, isn't that isn't that
37:30
proper? I thought that was a funny joke,
37:34
sir. I loved the way the like nose
37:36
was moving against. I thought it was like, yeah, It
37:40
was a cute. There was you could say there
37:43
was some symbolism, there is cultural symbolism from like
37:46
present day but we don't need to get into it.
37:49
But, you know, I thought it was interesting that they hopped in
37:53
knowing that he was a supporter. Yeah.
37:56
And Leia, just played right along.
37:58
Yeah, and Obi-Wan had reservations, you know, because
38:01
he's in the protection mode, and she was just bold and, and smart
38:05
about it and did her best and he's the one that screwed up and
38:08
said called her Leia, but I I loved how they recovered from
38:12
that. Yes, because really well.
38:14
Oh my God, because I was just like, oh my God, what's going to
38:16
happen and then he just like says, you know, that was her
38:20
mother's name. I get confused.
38:22
I said it's been very difficult. I was just like those fucking
38:25
smart writing that was because now it turns it.
38:29
So that now they can naturally have a conversation about Leah's
38:33
parents and it was so fucking beautiful and I just love how he
38:41
kicked. Everyone's ass in the end.
38:42
Anyway, I did too. Oh that was every you dying.
38:45
I was dying. I was Lawrence having a
38:48
wonderful time. Again this week at this episode
38:51
I got to see my OB would kick the shit out of a whole
38:55
truckload of people and it was the greatest day of my was
38:58
great. And we also, we also got the
39:00
answer of member. We were trying to figure out
39:01
what the golden Droid thing looked like that was the loader.
39:05
The Loader Droid? Yeah, that was really cool.
39:07
I liked the sound effects for that thing.
39:09
Me too. I felt kind of bad for him
39:11
because he couldn't speak, but I did like the actions speak
39:14
louder than words, kind of thing.
39:16
I thought that was a nice little reminder.
39:19
One thing to Vader. Let's Obi-Wan go.
39:22
Oh, yeah. That a lot of people are talking
39:25
about this because they're like, he could have walked through the
39:27
fire hit. He could have stopped.
39:29
It's like, yeah, he did it on purpose.
39:31
Yeah, he wants to play with his prey.
39:33
Yeah, he's not done with Obi-Wan.
39:35
No, no, no, no. Once isn't good enough for him.
39:38
He's gonna draw this out. He's gonna, you know, it's just
39:42
like Mall, basically. It's the Sith mindset of like
39:49
take everything you love and use it against you and injure you a
39:53
few times. So, you know, I'm not fucking
39:54
around, but in the end I'll have my way.
39:56
That's great mentality. Like he's, which is he's
39:59
wounded. But those people come and rescue
40:01
him and he'll retreat with these people like leading Vader to
40:05
their underground Network. Todd.
40:09
Wouldn't I love to see when Obi-Wan returns to his power to
40:12
protect the network at all? The yes my God.
40:16
That'd be so fucking great. And that damn Jedi rest.
40:20
Rest in peace. Jedi that got hung in the first
40:23
two episodes or whatever. He's, he's, he had the nerve to
40:26
say, to Obi-Wan, what happened to you.
40:28
Well, bitch, when he ignites that lightsaber and saves the
40:30
whole thing, he'll be like this is what happened to me and then
40:33
he'd just take control of the situation and do it.
40:37
Flawlessly with great hair. That's what I'm thinking.
40:43
I think we should end it right there.
40:46
Okay. Listen to reason.
40:56
Okay, so our question to you this week about episode, 3 of
40:59
the Kenobi series. Is, how did you interpret the
41:03
duel between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan?
41:06
We told you are strong feelings. We would love to hear yours.
41:10
It's your chance to voice your opinion.
41:13
Put it out there next week. Join us back here for part 4 of
41:18
Of the Kenobi series. We're going to dive in and do
41:21
our reactions to that one and holy shit.
41:23
We can't wait. I don't know how we're going to
41:25
survive a whole week. Honestly between episodes.
41:28
It is fucking torture already. All right, this week for our
41:34
listener comments, we're going straight to our patrons.
41:36
Thank you for everyone who supports us via patreon, we got
41:41
some great comments when we asked what your favorite part of
41:43
last week's. Two episodes were snow says,
41:47
it's so hard. Pick.
41:48
But I think when Obi is telling Leia, she reminds him of someone
41:52
seeing how clearly Leia reminds Obi-Wan of Padme.
41:54
Anakin is everything and yeah, who can argue that, right?
42:00
Chili's are lightsaber says, I could go for something sad, but
42:03
Pasha the fake Jedi. Simply cracked me up.
42:07
Obi-Wan's face as he was witnessing him faking.
42:09
The force was Peak Star Wars humor.
42:12
I loved, I loved that. See, totally.
42:14
I thought it was hilarious. Love it, Delta says, OMG so
42:20
many. I totally second when Jedi
42:23
Master Adam said, above about the moment, Obi-Wan realizes, he
42:26
can't defend the man at his job, the micro Expressions on his
42:29
face, And to that point, Jedi Master Adam left a very lengthy
42:34
comment, so I'm going to try and only pick out a few parts, but
42:38
he says, in episode 2, My favorite moment was buying Leia.
42:40
The gloves. Oh yes.
42:42
Oh, I love that moment right at first, I thought this was just
42:46
cute and funny and it made me smile.
42:48
But after finishing it, I thought about that moment.
42:50
Many, many times as it kept popping back into my mind, I
42:53
think there's far more to it. I think about how much love
42:56
Obi-Wan has for the Skywalker. Family.
42:58
It reminds me of how underneath the X Stern.
43:01
Always. Diligent strict.
43:02
Master Persona he had with Anakin there was always an
43:05
undercurrent of gentle affection.
43:08
I couldn't agree more. Yeah, honestly, it's really true
43:12
that such and the fact that his compassion, he couldn't save the
43:16
person in the assembly line like he couldn't help him in any way,
43:21
you know. Yeah.
43:22
It was so visible on his face. What was the phrase?
43:25
Adam used? The face journey, I think is
43:28
what he said. The face Journey that Obi-Wan
43:31
takes us on. It's it's true.
43:34
He like you and doesn't say a thing in that scene, it's all
43:37
portrayed through Facial expressions and it's amazing.
43:41
Yeah. Yeah.
43:41
When Jedi Master Adam commented on his favorite moment in
43:45
episode 1 it was without a single word uttered we see.
43:50
Obi-Wan go from realization, anger, compassion, empathy
43:53
protectiveness. And then his face goes slack
43:55
with resignation. Yeah, it's such a good scene.
44:00
So heartbreaking. I think this is really
44:03
important. Jedi Master Adam says, for those
44:05
of us in the audience, who have spent a lifetime hiding who we
44:08
really are in order to fit in man, this scene cut deep and I
44:11
think there's a piece of all of us in one way or another.
44:16
Yeah, that I've had to do that. I think that's why it resonates
44:19
so much with people some of us more than others for sure.
44:23
Have had to repress who we are. And when you do that it just
44:27
makes you sick over time. You can't it's hard.
44:32
Raking to have to even sustain that for any period of time.
44:36
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44:40
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