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No Holds Barred: World Cup Is Incredible, Honoring Juneteenth, Exposing MLB Homophobia · The Regulars

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  Hi. Welcome to an amazing Friday night. That's right. It is a Friday night. You're having
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  a drink with your best friends. We have a candle because we wanted everything to smell
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  great and get like the vibes in the air. That's right.
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  This candle exists purely because someone else in the homestead decided I was a little
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  too stressed out. Guys, we're getting the vibes right. We're in the middle of the World
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  Cup. Scotland just dropped their game 1-0. I'm very proud of them, Scots. U.S. is up.
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  Phenomenal stuff. You're with your friends, the regulars. I'm Cody Decker.
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  I feel like you're trying to do that for my benefit, but it's going to freak me out if
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  you keep doing it. I'm Tanya Ray Fox.
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  It is absolutely for your benefit.
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  I do not need that.
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  Tanya's having a rough day, and I'm not going to lie to you. I'm a little banged up because
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  I went to a pub and watched the U.S. and then Scotland, so I'm feeling phenomenal.
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  You're feeling less phenomenal.
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  We'll see how this goes. No, I'm fine.
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  Oh, no. Make no mistake. I'm furious because I know what's on the rundown today.
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  Yeah, it's an interesting run. We have fun stuff to start out with because it's soccer
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  and that's been great. Association, football, football, anything you want to call it. That's
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  what we're going to do.
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  We need to rename American football now. That's where I'm at now.
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  We're going to talk about this.
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  We're going to close out the show with the conversation around some of this stuff because
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  it's really tough. We're going to be hammered by the end of the show before we actually
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  do do that. I feel like we should acknowledge that today is Juneteenth and hopefully all
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  of our black American friends are day off enjoying their day being having their businesses
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  supported, having their work and their art supported, having feeling their day being
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  honored.
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  Can't stress this enough. If you do not know the history of Juneteenth, you should very,
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  very much look up your American history and discover why we celebrate this and why it
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  is a very important day. And I do think it is a very educational day.
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  And frankly, if you are one of the inbred shit hooks that I've already dealt with
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  plenty today on social media, fuck you for openers and to read a book.
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  And I know that's a little tricky because the concept of reading is very, very complicated.
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  That being said, figure it out. The end hooked on phonics. Sound out the words and just your
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  intellectual curiosity will lead you to learn something really beautiful about this country
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  and something really heartbreaking.
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  At the same time, that is the story of America. If you want to, if you want to tell yourself
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  a fairy tale, open up the Brothers Grimm, right? If you want to actually know your own
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  history and feel the empathy and the sympathy and the compassion and the camaraderie and
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  the patriotism of a day that is meant to honor the truth of this country, then do that.
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  It's really not that hard. And you don't have to take it personally.
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  It's funny you say that. It's funny, actually, how you describe that, because it's so funny
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  because, you know, like the I'm a history major in college, especially my main focus
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  was early colonial history.
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  And I love American early colonial history.
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  That being said, I did a lot of classes specifically like on the early, early South and how the
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  South was formed and how the different sects of Christianity were a part of each different
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  state before the unification of the United States.
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  And it's fascinating how we as a people truly do not understand how this country was formed.
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  Not truly don't understand how when especially when I hear Christian nationalists specifically
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  describe this place as, well, we're a Christian country.
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  That is just blatantly untrue.
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  And also, I'd follow up the question, which Christian?
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  They were about nine different Christian sects that were sect within separate states altogether.
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  And by the way, I've heard actual some of those Christian nationalists saying, well,
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  it's part of those state laws.
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  Yeah, that was before the, you know, United fucking states.
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  But that's just, you know, that's history, which you can read about and learn about.
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  It's just so tricky for certain people because they just don't like being told the truth
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  about their history, which, by the way, your history can absolutely inform you for your
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  present and your future.
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  But because reasons, yeah, I feel like, you know, there's always this under there's always
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  this feeling I get, I get called a self hating white a lot by white men specifically, but
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  I love me on the Internet.
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  I get called that a lot.
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  And when I'm taking response, when I'm just simply talking about white nationalism and
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  white violence on minority groups and things like that are real fun.
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  And it's always so interesting to me because I'm like the most interesting part of that
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  is that I actually have so much.
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  I feel so much more self-worth and so much less stress and anxiety about my place in
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  the world and my place in history and what I carry on by acknowledging it, by fighting
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  for the people that I love, by fighting for my communities.
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  And guess what?
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  They love and respect me and there's mutual love and respect.
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  That whole idea that I like I have to suffer for the sins of like, no, I don't.
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  I don't.
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  I actually like by by acknowledging it, I feel like I've created much stronger bonds
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  with people.
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  And so like this is the most loving I've ever been.
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  It's not like I was always able to have these kind of conversations.
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  It's not like I was never the kind of white person who got defensive or had my hackles
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  up.
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  Of course, I was like white in America like that.
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  Those experiences are going to happen.
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  I am such and I still learn all the time.
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  And it just like just deconstructing the need to feel defensive when people throw a critique
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  your way is like the greatest feeling in the fucking world because it takes such a burden
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  off of you.
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  You realize you can be wrong.
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  You can be misled.
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  You can see the world like through a lens that's not fair.
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  And then guess what happens?
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  Nothing.
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  Nothing.
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  Learn, grow.
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  And everybody literally nothing.
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  Everybody's as long as you say, my bad, then that's all that.
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  It's fascinating.
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  Again, it's also in like actual life, just taking responsibility, even for the things
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  that aren't necessarily a responsibility, just acknowledging that they exist.
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  So tricky for certain sects of this place.
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  But listen, we got lots to cover today.
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  And let's be real clear.
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  There is a lot of things in here that are going to be very passionate conversations
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  about, one of which that I personally have a very big, passionate thought about.
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  I'm looking very forward to talking about it.
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  Probably a bad idea that I drink as much as I do today.
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  That being said, we drink on this show every time.
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  Luckily this show is sort of built for that level of energy.
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  We are.
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  But the good news is we drink on this show every time.
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  So it doesn't really matter.
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  We do.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's time for headlines.
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  Tanya, give us our first headline.
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  Okay, so I don't know if you heard, I actually know you did because you were down the street
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  at the Irish.
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  Buddy, I love this.
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  I love this World Cup.
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  Yes.
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  It's fucking magic.
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  The USA defeated Australia 2-0 to advance to the knockout round, despite Christian Pulisic's
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  absence.
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  This was not a shock to me, even knowing Pulisic was going to be out.
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  Did you know that or did you assume that?
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  Because they did announce it prior to the game.
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  No, they announced it prior to the thing, but we were speculating all week.
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  I was wondering if this was going to be gamesmanship.
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  I was wondering if it's either gamesmanship or honestly, Pulisic's.
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  I was pretty sure he wasn't.
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  Well, then that means Pulisic's fucking cap is way worse than the Raxxons' cap.
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  I don't think so.
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  I do think that they saw the opportunity in front of them.
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  They are pretty deep at the position.
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  They're deep enough.
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  Part of what I'm going to get into here is that they actually had a pairing to go into
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  this game with that has been proven to be incredibly successful.
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  Geo?
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  No.
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  Pepe with Finn.
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  With Bella Goon and Pepe together, they were already a super successful duo and they haven't
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  played a ton of minutes, but there was evidence that they would work out really well.
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  I guess what I'm saying is I wasn't super scared.
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  Did I think that they were definitely going to win?
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  No.
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  Again, you want to see what you saw last game.
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  You want to see things again.
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  After this game, I feel like there was a sense of, okay, we knew the win over Paraguay was
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  good, but we just saw the same fight, the same passion, the same excitement, the same
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  energy, the same speed, and all of the things like we saw everything we need to see against
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  a slightly better team, a slightly more well-rounded team, and a team that they've had physical
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  altercations with in the past.
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  This is a team that's gotten physical, they've gotten chippy in their last game against them,
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  and we saw everything we needed to see.
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  This is the first time since the debut World Cup in 1930, in the inaugural tournament,
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  that the U.S. has won consecutive matches at a World Cup.
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  This doesn't happen.
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  I don't care what you tell me about the pool, about the draw.
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  I don't give a fuck what you're talking.
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  I don't care.
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  It doesn't happen.
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  And this is something I'm going to bring up first, as we talk through the game and what
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  people are saying narratively about the USA right now.
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  This is the second game in a row where they've gotten an own goal, and it's the first time
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  in FIFA World Cup history where a team has benefited from an own goal in two consecutive
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  matches.
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  Talk to me.
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  There is a sentiment that I've already seen expressed by USA haters, which I understand
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  it's the World Cup, you're supposed to have haters, it's fine, that they're celebrating
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  an own goal, who cares, they're getting lucky.
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  Here's the thing about own goals, Cody.
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  Sometimes they're just bad plays, you fucked up, and the other team gets lucky.
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  Sometimes.
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  That's not what...
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  A lot of times, they're like what these goals have been, which is you're pressing, you're
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  counter-attack, your speed is so overwhelming that once you get into the box and you're
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  flying in there the way that Balagoon does, you mess up.
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  The only reason that those goals are being scored is because our players, our strikers,
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  our forwards are absolutely pressing the shit out of the defense, and they're scrambling,
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  panicking, and making mistakes.
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  And by the way, if that goal hadn't gone off of Australia, it was going off of Balagoon's
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  foot anyway.
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  And by the way, to up your point, we just watched Scotland versus Morocco, right?
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  By the way, it ended up being a one-nil match that ended up going Morocco's way.
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  I was way into Scotland this entire time, but I kept talking to everybody that was around
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  me like, shit, here's the problem, Morocco's bigger, they're faster, they're more physical,
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  that's the problem.
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  So basically, Scotland's got to be little rabbits and fucking outlast them a little
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  bit, but at the end of the day, you saw that at the first five minutes of the match when
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  Morocco got their point.
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  And it was fascinating to see, and by the way, good for Scotland, they kind of readjusted
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  as the match went on, but they were just overmatched early on, and it was exactly like watching
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  US versus Australia, exactly like it.
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  Yep.
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  And that is why I think it's really important that people hold a little bit of nuance, or
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  if they don't watch the game that often, listen to people talk about why, first of all, own
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  goals are a thing that happen in other sports.
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  We see it in hockey.
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  All the time.
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  This is a new concept to us.
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  And they are very often a result of the skill of the offense and the panicking of the defense.
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  And I think that that's what happened in both games.
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  You've watched both games now, both full games?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Okay, so for you, as a slightly more casual fan-
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  No, no, I'll freely admit this.
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  I want to make this abundantly clear.
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  I'm a casual.
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  I'm a novice.
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  I was a novice, and I've turned into more of a casual over the last maybe three years.
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  I'm so into this, and right now, I'm trying to learn as much as I humanly can because
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  I have so many gaps in my soccer knowledge, but I'm loving the game.
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  I'm loving watching how it's formed.
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  And dude, I didn't realize just how, and I mentioned this earlier in the week, I didn't
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  realize how much I've been missing in the world of soccer.
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  And the truthness of this is time zone, that's it.
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  Nothing else.
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  Time zone.
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  We don't have the best soccer in the United States.
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  The best soccer is everywhere else.
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  And watching the best of the world in an actual time frame where I watch all my sports, dude,
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  it's night and day.
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  I get it.
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  I fucking get it.
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  I'm furious we don't have this all year round now.
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  So we do in some ways, in some, like, I mean, so today, the energy of that game in Seattle,
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  that's how Seattle watches soccer.
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  That shit was-
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  Oh, I've heard Seattle, Portland too, same shit.
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  I understand that.
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  There's some amazing, there have been some energy, like USA, Mexico games in Los Angeles,
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  same vibe.
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  I agree, but I'm not into it.
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  Right, exactly.
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  No, right.
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  So you're getting to finally witness it in a space where you're actually paying attention.
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  What I was going to ask you is for you as a more casual fan, because I find this super
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  fascinating, like, which player, you know, outside of the, outside of Pulisic and Balagoon,
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  who we know are sort of whatever, is there a player that's standing out to you as you've
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  been watching?
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  But Gio hasn't really played.
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  He didn't play today.
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  I know, but when he has, he was like electric.
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  I just saw him speak.
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  Today you watched a game.
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  Like, is there a player that like, that's actually, I know you were in a bar.
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  It's loud.
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  So I can't answer that real, realistically because I was at a bar and it was loud.
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  And by the way, the bar I was at was fucking packed.
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  No, I thought it was really fascinating that he didn't bring Gio in until the final like
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  minute or two of the game.
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  Yeah, no, but I'm talking about the previous game.
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  No, no, no, but I'm actually, he hasn't brought the, like, Gio's come on late in both games
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  and really late in this game.
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  And I do think that that's a tactical decision.
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  I do think that that's-
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  Influencing speed late on?
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  Yeah, well, certainly that.
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  And like, he's very young still, despite the fact that he's like married and having
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  a kid or whatever.
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  Which is funny because like last go around, like they were making the excuse that he was
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  so young and that's where all the problems were coming from.
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  Well, he, but he was, I mean, I know, but yeah, that's how young he was then.
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  It was real.
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  And that's how young he was then.
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  But even still, he, you know, he's still like, I think somebody that they feel like a little
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  bit rogue, maybe someone they don't necessarily want to have to entrust to.
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  These first halves have been incredible.
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  They've been tacticians, really.
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  And I am interested to see how they use Gio moving forward, because what I do think also
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  they're doing is that they're not showing their hand too early because the only way
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  a team like the United States beats one of the teams that is very clearly better than
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  them, which by the way, that happens.
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  That's tournaments.
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  That's how this goes.
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  Teams beat teams better than them all the time.
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  So the only way-
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  We've watched it already in this tournament.
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  The only way that it happens is if, if a Gio comes in and they don't know what the
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  fuck to do with him.
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  Right.
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  If you like, you know, like they, they ran with two strikers today, which I actually
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  told Chris, I was like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be shocked if they did that.
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  He was skeptical.
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  I was right.
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  I'm always right.
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  But like, you know what I mean?
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  Like this is, this is a, they have some pretty explosive offensive players and Gio is nuts.
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  He, his talent level is higher than like essentially anybody.
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  It's fucking noticeable.
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  Anybody we've ever fully developed Balogun.
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  We did not develop, obviously like completely, I mean, he's, I'm so glad we have him so glad
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  he's becoming a strong member of the United States national team, but like grew up in,
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  in England.
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  Right.
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  So Gio is-
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  It's cool that he's playing for us though.
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  I knew he was born in New York and all.
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  So like-
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  Yeah.
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  It's just, it's so funny.
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  Like he literally was born in New York because his mom couldn't travel.
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  She like was supposed to go home back to London and give birth, but she got stuck here
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  because she was too far along and they wouldn't put her on a plane.
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  How weird is this though?
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  Like not weird.
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  I should, I should rephrase that.
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  How, um, if he comes out of this world cup as like a star, which very well could really
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  happen and say, we go a little bit further and say further than England.
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  Yeah.
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  How is that going to taste for England?
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  I'm perfectly fine with it because most of England's team is, you know, are, are, uh,
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  the sons of immigrants or immigrants themselves.
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  You know, so many of those players are, have their roots in other nations, uh, who've come
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  and built a life, whether it was their parents or whoever else in England.
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  Um, and that country spent their entire existence colonizing the fuck out of the entire world.
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  They do?
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  No!
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  They were always nice.
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  I'm perfectly fine to take one of their fucking, uh, soccer players and beat them.
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  Oh, they, yeah.
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  That makes sense actually.
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  I agree.
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  That makes sense to me.
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  Um, the other thing I wanted to ask you about was a couple of the other, um, the other games
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  that we've seen before we talk about what could happen going forward with the United
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  States.
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  So Canada cutter, I don't know if you saw what happened in that game, that, that, that
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  compound fracture was the ugliest thing.
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  It was really, really red, two red cards, fucking, and then of course two red cards
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  ended up, uh, six Oh bludgeoning obviously, but you're playing 11 on nine.
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  What do you expect?
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  Yes.
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  So, you know, it's skewed a little bit, but also you've got to hand it to Canada.
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  Like it's actually still incredibly difficult to play a game after you've watched your teammate
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  break their leg.
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  Dude, he didn't break his leg.
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  He fucking, that was a tomahawk.
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  Yeah, it was.
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  I mean, this was like, like Alex Smith, Joe, Joe, scary and lucky.
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  Like I've been having it on my, my morning show.
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  I've been having, um, Charlie Davies on, um, and if you don't know his background, Charlie
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  Davies got in this bad car accident where he had the exact same injury and he had to
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  get up, uh, you know, pull through his leg and all the same injury.
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  Like it just happened to happen on a soccer field.
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  Like when you see that, dude, I've never, so I've been watching soccer a long time.
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  That was, I was actually like, uh, really, I was really thrown cause it happened and
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  it was so obvious and the, and it was so gruesome right away that the reaction on the field
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  was immediate.
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  We see it in football a lot, but we don't see that in soccer as much.
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  And like there was a coach who, who was yelling stuff about what he'd seen and we've overheard
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  it on the mic.
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  It was a lot.
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  Um, so incredibly tough game to watch.
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  It was, it was, it was so cool to watch Canada score, but it kind of sucked the wind out
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  of me.
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  Like it was, it was rough.
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  Um, I got to talk to you about Mexico, South Korea, cause Chris and I watched that entire
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  game last night.
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  Chris, obviously I was roots for Mexico, but I have to, I have to tell you, I was like,
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  and I, I, we got to the end of the game.
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  I was like, they haven't taken a fucking corner kick.
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  There's been no set pieces.
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  The, the referee I've never seen in a world cup, the referees swallow their whistle like
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  this, because these two teams were basically playing like keep away from each other at
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  the entire game.
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  They were very skilled players, but like both lack the speed for a counterattack.
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  And so I was like, I feel like I'm watching, like when I used to referee, like you 16 players,
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  I was like, come on guys, let's get something going here.
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  And the referees weren't calling shit.
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  They were not going to call shit.
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  I have never gone a game that long without seeing a corner kick or a set piece or something.
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  I was like, I'm bored as fuck.
• 18:46
  Do you think this had anything to do with the first Mexico game?
• 18:49
  Because there were three red cards in that match.
• 18:51
  I think so.
• 18:52
  I think so too.
• 18:53
  Although I thought of the entire time.
• 18:54
  It's always about the crew because each crew does have their own, uh, uh, tendencies just
• 18:57
  like in any sport, like that certain crews will use cards to try to stop the, um, to,
• 19:05
  you know, sort of stem the, the bleeding when it comes to an overly aggressive and overly
• 19:11
  violent game, they'll use cards to try to stop it.
• 19:13
  Sometimes it actually has the opposite effect and that's what happened in that game.
• 19:16
  It was a boring game, but the, but the moments that were intense were incredibly intense.
• 19:22
  The game saving, if it weren't for that game saving goal, I would not remember that game,
• 19:26
  but not to mention also the other game saver, which would have actually been called back
• 19:29
  due to offsides anyways, but the, like basically the wheel kick the guy did right at the end
• 19:33
  of the goal.
• 19:34
  Well, there, yes, there was that.
• 19:35
  And then the goalie on the second shot, the second shot hand from God type, but the second
• 19:42
  shot I looked at it more as a bill Buckner thing.
• 19:44
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 19:45
  That's the skill it takes to do what he did in that moment.
• 19:48
  I read more of the goalie who had the ball talking about the goalie landed onto his own
• 19:53
  defense.
• 19:54
  I'm talking about the goalie.
• 19:55
  So that moment, no, that wasn't fucking incredible.
• 19:59
  So in that moment, when you're talking about two different plays, we're talking about the
• 20:02
  Mexican goaltender.
• 20:03
  Is that what you're talking about?
• 20:05
  I'm talking about the, the, the actual point in the match.
• 20:07
  I apologize.
• 20:08
  At the end of the game.
• 20:09
  No, I saw it.
• 20:10
  It was amazing.
• 20:11
  When Korea almost got the, the, the game's tying goal, that was a really crazy save.
• 20:17
  I was, I was like, I don't think I've ever seen someone make it.
• 20:20
  I've never seen somebody make a save like that.
• 20:22
  Like I've seen the bounce.
• 20:23
  I've seen that grab it and you lose, you know, and you, you, you know, it goes back into
• 20:27
  play and you dive again.
• 20:29
  But the, what he did was awesome.
• 20:30
  So that did now I'm that's memorable for me.
• 20:33
  Incredibly.
• 20:34
  And you know what else was memorable was Mexico's goal because I felt so bad because the Korean
• 20:39
  goaltender had it fucking had it and just landed on his own defenseman, lost the ball
• 20:46
  and he was just on the ground with an open goal.
• 20:49
  It was, I was like, Oh, that is so fucked brutal, brutal way to lose that, that fucking
• 20:55
  a potential draw.
• 20:56
  Cause you imagine those two teams drew, Oh my God.
• 20:59
  I mean, didn't, I was happy that that's not what happened because my household would have
• 21:03
  been bombed.
• 21:04
  True.
• 21:05
  But it would have been four points for your household still.
• 21:07
  Like you guys would have probably still moved on to knockouts, but we have lots of rooting
• 21:11
  interests.
• 21:12
  Um, one of the other rooting interests that we have is the England team because we do
• 21:15
  watch so, so much premier league soccer and as you see me say that again, premier league
• 21:22
  soccer.
• 21:23
  It's prem year.
• 21:24
  I've watched all of our fucking wonderful comments from these phenomenal, not at all
• 21:32
  gate goal, gatekeeping, fucking fans.
• 21:35
  I can't even.
• 21:36
  Unbelievable.
• 21:37
  Unbelievable.
• 21:38
  Here's what's funny.
• 21:39
  Do you know where that alarm was actually coming up through?
• 21:42
  Not through my phone, not through my laptop, through the computer over there.
• 21:45
  Yeah, no, I had it too.
• 21:46
  Sorry.
• 21:47
  Sorry, Mocha.
• 21:48
  Sorry about that Mocha.
• 21:49
  Yeah, I do.
• 21:50
  Yeah.
• 21:51
  This is on Mocha.
• 21:52
  This is Mocha's fault.
• 21:53
  Yeah.
• 21:54
  Um, anyways, we, uh, the goalkeeper is the goalkeeper we root for in, on England.
• 21:55
  Uh, England, Croatia really, that's like one of the best in terms of talent, in terms
• 21:56
  of like expectation.
• 21:57
  Those are two of the better teams and the most experienced teams.
• 21:58
  Luka Modric is one of the best players in the world for the last few years.
• 21:59
  I'm sorry, for the last fucking 15 minutes.
• 22:00
  I'm sorry.
• 22:01
  I gotta get the lingo down.
• 22:02
  I agree.
• 22:03
  Phenomenal match.
• 22:04
  Phenomenal.
• 22:05
  Every one of them.
• 22:06
  Every one of them.
• 22:07
  Every one of them.
• 22:08
  Every one of them.
• 22:09
  Every one of them.
• 22:10
  Every one of them.
• 22:11
  Every one of them.
• 22:12
  Every one of them.
• 22:13
  I gotta be honest.
• 22:25
  I had high hopes for England.
• 22:27
  I love a lot of those players.
• 22:29
  I love the Kaya Saka.
• 22:30
  I love Marcus Rashford.
• 22:31
  I love like so many of the players on that team.
• 22:34
  Uh, what?
• 22:35
  Oh, love Harry Kane.
• 22:36
  Okay.
• 22:37
  Goals in that fucking just Harry, by the way, just Harry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, Harry,
• 22:44
  like share.
• 22:45
  Um, Harry Kane had probably the best international game I've ever seen him have top to bottom,
• 22:49
  like to watch him, the way that he ran the field reminded me so much of a, of a, like
• 22:56
  a quarterback or a point guard at their very best, where he just do where everything was
• 23:00
  happening all the time for him to have a goal saving defensive play at the end of the game.
• 23:04
  After having two scores, almost another one, he was fucking amazing.
• 23:08
  And the depth that they were bringing in off the bench was nuts.
• 23:11
  I had to Cody, that team is fucking terrifying.
• 23:14
  It's a terrifying squad because the, the, the adjustments that they made in the second
• 23:20
  half to bring in more energy and speed.
• 23:22
  And then who you were seeing them bring in was like, bro, what, that's who you have on
• 23:26
  the bench.
• 23:27
  Like, fuck me, dude.
• 23:28
  That's, it was insane.
• 23:29
  Bro.
• 23:30
  I'm going to walk away from this tournament being the biggest fucking soccer.
• 23:31
  Yeah.
• 23:32
  Like I am so fucking addicted to this shit now.
• 23:34
  Uh, and it's been like, it all freely, but I even made it on the other show.
• 23:38
  Here's the deal.
• 23:39
  Dude.
• 23:40
  When it was launching, you're like, yeah, like I'll watch.
• 23:42
  We're cool.
• 23:43
  Nah, dude.
• 23:44
  He's in.
• 23:45
  He's it.
• 23:46
  It's like that.
• 23:47
  We didn't think we were going to love the NBA finals.
• 23:48
  We love the NBA playoffs.
• 23:49
  I love this.
• 23:50
  I fucking get it.
• 23:51
  Yeah.
• 23:52
  I, I'm, I'm mad that I never did before.
• 23:54
  I'm loving this shit.
• 23:55
  It is amazing shit and it has nothing to do with team USA.
• 23:59
  Hell, I'm rooting for Scotland more than many other fucking team in my life right now.
• 24:03
  I love, I love, I love so many teams.
• 24:05
  So that's like the good fun part.
• 24:07
  Capo Verde.
• 24:08
  Fucking you kidding me?
• 24:10
  I can't wait to see my DC Congo.
• 24:12
  Are you shitting me with DC Congo?
• 24:15
  Also that, that incredibly hot goaltender.
• 24:18
  That's like six foot six.
• 24:20
  I forget what country he's from, but like, I don't know if you've seen him, but like
• 24:23
  he's one of the six foot six.
• 24:25
  This one is even hotter than I forget his name.
• 24:29
  I'll send it to you.
• 24:32
  He's like literally one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen.
• 24:35
  The only thing we need to talk about before we move on to the potential USA matchups in
• 24:41
  the future is Messi scored a fucking hat trick at age 39.
• 24:46
  Yes.
• 24:47
  He's turning 39 in like four days.
• 24:48
  The pedants on the internet were like, he's actually still 38.
• 24:53
  He's actually still 38.
• 24:54
  He's not going to be out there.
• 24:55
  How about this?
• 24:56
  I'm 39 right now.
• 24:57
  I'm an ex pro athlete right now.
• 24:59
  I can't fuck.
• 25:00
  I'm not even positive I can hit a baseball if it's pitched.
• 25:02
  On what planet are we nitpicking a week?
• 25:04
  It's not like he's going to be 39 two months from now.
• 25:08
  How about this?
• 25:09
  You know what my actual takeaway from this is?
• 25:10
  And now this is my, are you going to do the Cristiano Ronaldo thing?
• 25:14
  You are, and here's the reason why I'm going.
• 25:18
  I can't wait to hear.
• 25:19
  No, I actually really want to hear this because like the casual take on this is really, it's
• 25:23
  actually really interesting.
• 25:24
  No, I'm not.
• 25:25
  I'm not going to sit here.
• 25:26
  Have the goat conversation with anybody.
• 25:27
  That's not what the conversation is.
• 25:28
  I swear to God.
• 25:29
  It's just watching the dichotomy of two different people and how they're treated by their own
• 25:32
  team.
• 25:33
  Uh, okay.
• 25:34
  That's my takeaway.
• 25:35
  I'm watching how, how Ronaldo is treated by Portugal compared to how Argentina treats
• 25:44
  messy.
• 25:45
  Ladies and gentlemen, I know who the goat is based on what the reaction on the field
• 25:50
  was.
• 25:51
  So that one team was not only setting it up and one guy was manipulating the field and
• 25:56
  taking care of fucking everything and then was taken off the field with his own teammates
• 26:00
  and fucking coaches with tears in their goddamn eyes, hugging him as he's removed from the
• 26:04
  field earlier.
• 26:05
  And the other watching with utter frustration, his teammates having to deal with a 41 year
• 26:12
  old man who hasn't realized that he's lost a lot of steps.
• 26:16
  So he knows.
• 26:17
  And that's the problem is, um, that's their biggest issue with Ronaldo.
• 26:20
  Ronaldo's actually always been a really good, not an international player.
• 26:24
  He's old and shouldn't be on the roster and if he's going to be on the roster, he should
• 26:29
  come in as a super sub, he would be a great super sub still, but he's going to force being
• 26:33
  a starter.
• 26:34
  Whereas messy still has the juice to do what he's doing.
• 26:36
  In fact, he's, he's adjusted his game to do what he's doing.
• 26:38
  What are those?
• 26:39
  What was it?
• 26:40
  The stealth bombers that like, you can't see them until it's too late.
• 26:44
  That's what he feels like on the field where it's like, he's almost shadowing everything
• 26:49
  that's happening.
• 26:50
  Like there, he's like just a presence.
• 26:52
  And then out of nowhere, there he is fucking messy.
• 26:55
  Right.
• 26:56
  And he used to be a, an omnipresent part of the way that the game was being played.
• 27:01
  And over the last, I would say five or six years, he's become what we see now, which
• 27:05
  is an incredible evolution.
• 27:07
  Um, and the reality is like, you know, I love the jokes about, about the fact that he had
• 27:14
  a hat trick and I think there was, did you see the one where it was like messy three
• 27:18
  goals and then it was Ronaldo to hydration breaks.
• 27:21
  Funny.
• 27:22
  Funny.
• 27:23
  I understand what all the talk and the narratives are and talking points are.
• 27:26
  I think it's really great.
• 27:27
  No.
• 27:28
  And I think it's great too, but it's, and Ronaldo deserves it.
• 27:29
  And listen, messy and Ronaldo are both kind of assholes.
• 27:31
  They're, they're goat level athletes with way too many fucking fans.
• 27:35
  Like these people have like, like 600 million Instagram followers.
• 27:38
  They're not normal level famous.
• 27:39
  So I like, it's not, it's not a personality thing.
• 27:43
  It's, it's really just like, you know, it's really fascinating to see people talk about
• 27:46
  it now as if the idea that Ronaldo was included in the conversation ever is crazy.
• 27:52
  And I, I hate that.
• 27:53
  Like I'm not, I don't think that's fair.
• 27:54
  I'm not a big, I'm not a big, like hate casuals person.
• 27:57
  Cause I actually love when people get into the thing I love.
• 28:00
  That's like, I'm not a gatekeeper.
• 28:01
  I do think when you come into something and you're like, well, it's so obvious, messy,
• 28:05
  so good now.
• 28:06
  And when all those not anymore, it's like, guys, there, there was there, this was a,
• 28:11
  first of all, he's two and a half years older than him, but secondly, this conversation
• 28:14
  up, I mean, it was going up until messy finally won a cup, which was like, it was only four
• 28:21
  or five years ago.
• 28:22
  Right.
• 28:24
  Well, messy won the cup.
• 28:25
  One last cup.
• 28:26
  Yeah.
• 28:27
  Right.
• 28:28
  But like right before that, when he was like started winning, cause I think they won the
• 28:29
  gold cup too.
• 28:30
  And that was like, okay.
• 28:31
  Real question.
• 28:32
  Is this the year that finally friends can get it done?
• 28:35
  Stephen A. Smith.
• 28:37
  What?
• 28:38
  No, this is my question.
• 28:39
  Will they finally get it done?
• 28:41
  Will him Bobby finally get it done and Bobby the, like the biggest, can he finally, can
• 28:49
  France finally get it done?
• 28:51
  I can't believe they let him still talk.
• 28:53
  I can't fucking believe the world.
• 28:56
  It's really frustrating.
• 28:57
  Fucking embarrassing.
• 28:59
  Real quick.
• 29:00
  We're going to move on to the next thing, which is going to be tough.
• 29:02
  So we're going to enjoy this a little bit more, but there's a couple options for what
• 29:06
  could happen to the United States in the next round.
• 29:09
  So they are actually a hundred percent moving on to the knockout rounds, which is amazing.
• 29:13
  And this is all going to like, you know, they win the group if Paraguay beats Turkey.
• 29:20
  If Paraguay and Turkey draw, U.S. wins the group.
• 29:22
  The only way they don't automatically win the group is if Turkey wins, then the winner
• 29:27
  is decided in the final group of matches.
• 29:29
  So the very likely situation is that USA wins their group, which is group D.
• 29:36
  Should they win?
• 29:39
  There are like a bunch of options that they could play.
• 29:42
  And one of those options is Germany.
• 29:44
  The Netherlands a potential, Sweden's a potential, France and Senegal are potentials.
• 29:49
  So like, there's a lot of incredible teams that they could go on to play.
• 29:52
  There's also teams that are like, you know, they're kind of in the middle of this.
• 29:57
  So there's a lot of options here where we could see the United States get a knockout
• 30:02
  win.
• 30:03
  And I just want to be quite honest, I just want Morocco knocked out.
• 30:07
  I mean, I don't think Morocco is on the table.
• 30:10
  Yeah, they're not.
• 30:11
  Good.
• 30:12
  I just want Morocco out.
• 30:13
  As long as Morocco is out.
• 30:14
  I'm happy.
• 30:15
  Morocco is not on the table.
• 30:16
  Honestly, they'd be in better.
• 30:17
  They'd probably be in better shape if they finished second in group D, because then they'd
• 30:21
  get New Zealand, Iran, Belgium or Egypt.
• 30:23
  There's an expert who is Moroccan, who I hate so much that I just want him in pain.
• 30:28
  Yeah.
• 30:29
  I guess this is all to say that, like, I don't think it's crazy to think that they could
• 30:33
  get a knockout win and move on to the next round, which is incredible.
• 30:38
  Like, it's I don't think it's crazy to think that there's so many.
• 30:41
  There are so many variables to winning these games.
• 30:44
  I mean, when you have when you have momentum and you have the home crowd, I know you do
• 30:48
  you know the history of like the these international tournaments, home teams just having this incredible
• 30:53
  advantage.
• 30:54
  It happens in the World Cup.
• 30:55
  It happens in the Olympics.
• 30:56
  Having home field advantage is a huge thing in these world tournaments.
• 30:59
  And so, you know, I could see it happening.
• 31:02
  Listen, we saw it today and I even sent you the video.
• 31:05
  I know it's on the show today, but they asked a yes or no question after USA won that match.
• 31:11
  And I don't think Zlatan's answer would have been exactly the same before the match.
• 31:15
  It wasn't.
• 31:16
  So that Thierry Henry and Zlatan both were speaking about the United States as let's
• 31:21
  see how far they can get.
• 31:22
  I think this team is talented enough.
• 31:23
  They can't win the cup.
• 31:24
  They said that outright.
• 31:25
  Yeah.
• 31:26
  And then after this match, that was not the same fucking capable of lying.
• 31:30
  I know.
• 31:31
  Like so.
• 31:32
  So for him to say that was like, OK, that's fascinating.
• 31:34
  And I think part I think it has less to do with the United States and more to do with
• 31:38
  the amount of parody we've seen across the tournament in general.
• 31:43
  Nobody has looked like a world changer except for the couple of teams who are great teams
• 31:48
  who played genuinely teams not on their level.
• 31:51
  For the most part, the parody has been insane.
• 31:53
  So I think people are like, wait a second, this could be anyone's cup.
• 31:57
  And listen, I mean, 22 years ago, Greece won the Euros or I think it was 24 years ago.
• 32:05
  Greece won the Euros.
• 32:06
  They beat Portugal.
• 32:09
  Greece doesn't win tournaments like that.
• 32:12
  And if you look at how they did it, if you look what happened, how it happened, that
• 32:15
  they got there, it was all these little strokes of luck.
• 32:18
  David Beckham missing his fucking penalty kick, like all these little moments when he
• 32:23
  was up against Portugal.
• 32:24
  And so then they don't have to deal with England and oh, you don't know what can happen.
• 32:28
  So what are they saying in that?
• 32:30
  What is it?
• 32:31
  Why not us?
• 32:32
  I think that's what he's I think he's doing.
• 32:34
  Why not?
• 32:35
  He's doing the 2004 Red Sox.
• 32:36
  Why not us?
• 32:37
  He's also have you seen the the this is my new favorite fucking thing is the United States
• 32:42
  commercials where they show us like like the U.S. like potentially winning the World Cup
• 32:47
  and it says everything is possible.
• 32:49
  And I'm like, that's one way to put it.
• 32:52
  Not anything.
• 32:53
  Everything is possible, which is also true.
• 32:57
  Exactly.
• 32:58
  Cody, do you want to be mad at homophobes with me?
• 33:01
  Yes.
• 33:02
  Yeah.
• 33:03
  Follow me on Twitter, which, by the way, I don't really fuck around Twitter anymore because
• 33:06
  it's a fucking cesspool filled with the worst of mouth breathing humanity.
• 33:10
  That being said, every once in a while, I love getting on there to I don't know how
• 33:13
  to say this.
• 33:14
  Beat the shit out of Nazis.
• 33:16
  Take it away.
• 33:20
  The MLB is going to be investigated for religious discrimination over the Giants Pride Night
• 33:26
  camp.
• 33:27
  Uh huh.
• 33:28
  Uh huh.
• 33:29
  I'm just going to give the people a little bit of background on this just because before
• 33:32
  you you get into things.
• 33:34
  Harmeet K. Dillon, the I just got to the wrong page.
• 33:37
  Sorry, guys.
• 33:38
  I was reading the headline and it's fine.
• 33:40
  We can wait because this is quite a Harmeet K. Dillon, the United States Assistant Attorney
• 33:45
  General for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Justice podcast.
• 33:49
  OK, let me get through this just just so if I have to clip it, please, because people
• 33:55
  get mad.
• 33:56
  They think you're like talking over me and I'm like, this is just what we do.
• 33:58
  But they always think they blame you.
• 34:00
  And we both do that.
• 34:01
  Just FYI.
• 34:02
  Dillon released a letter Thursday saying that she wrote to MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred
• 34:06
  in the letter.
• 34:07
  Dillon addressed the controversy over the San Francisco Giants Pride Night ball caps
• 34:10
  and cited Title eight sorry, Title seven of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
• 34:16
  Dillon has referred this matter to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which
• 34:20
  she says will further investigate MLB for religious discrimination in response to Giants
• 34:24
  pitchers inscribing Bible verses on their rainbow themed caps for the team's pride night
• 34:29
  against the Chicago Cubs.
• 34:31
  MLB said doing so was a violation of the league's rules and issued a warning about
• 34:36
  future violations.
• 34:37
  And on Tuesday, U.S. Senator Josh Hawley issued a letter to Manfred scrutinizing the league's
• 34:42
  public warning.
• 34:43
  Real quick, we have a letter.
• 34:44
  Do you mind throwing the letter up real quick for the letter up for this fucking letter
• 34:48
  up?
• 34:49
  We're not mad at you.
• 34:50
  We're not mad at you, Mocha.
• 34:51
  No, no.
• 34:52
  I'm not in general.
• 34:53
  I apologize, Mocha.
• 34:54
  You're wonderful.
• 34:55
  Throw this fucking letter up.
• 34:56
  So go ahead and read that while I give you guys a little bit more information.
• 35:02
  Essentially what's going on here is there are strict rules from the MLB regarding their
• 35:07
  uniforms.
• 35:08
  No player whose uniform does not conform to that of his teammates shall be permitted to
• 35:12
  participate in a game.
• 35:13
  That is the rule.
• 35:15
  These players have cited religious freedom.
• 35:19
  A lot of them maintain, I don't hate the LGBTQ community.
• 35:22
  It's something I believed and talked about it with my teammates and families, and thank
• 35:25
  God.
• 35:26
  We live in a country where there's free speech.
• 35:28
  Cody sports are political.
• 35:30
  The government getting involved in this is just more Christo fascism right in front of
• 35:33
  our faces.
• 35:34
  And these billionaires keep letting it happen.
• 35:37
  And I want to know, not only like, you know, we have a discussion to have, okay, we have
• 35:41
  a discussion to have.
• 35:42
  First things first, Tony Vitale, your manager of the Giants, you should be fucking fired.
• 35:46
  Fucking embarrassing.
• 35:47
  You did not candle your clubhouse.
• 35:49
  Fucking embarrassing.
• 35:50
  Don't ever hire a college coach ever again.
• 35:53
  Fucking embarrassing.
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  Buster Posey.
• 35:55
  Fucking embarrassing.
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  Giants.
• 35:57
  Fucking embarrassing.
• 35:58
  Let's go through the actual basics of this.
• 35:59
  Major League Baseball has made it abundantly clear to a bunch of fucking racist homophobic
• 36:03
  shit hooks.
• 36:04
  If you can't wear a flag on your hat because you're just so religious that you need to
• 36:09
  throw a Bible verse over it, they allow you to wear the normal hat.
• 36:12
  You were not required to wear such hat.
• 36:14
  Instead, you took the opportunity to make a community which is extremely, extremely,
• 36:20
  extremely passionate and extremely connected to especially the city of San Francisco.
• 36:26
  I don't know.
• 36:27
  Watch the movie Milk.
• 36:29
  Look up Harvey Milk.
• 36:30
  Understand what the mayor of Castro Street actually went through.
• 36:33
  Look up the fucking Twiki defense today and understand what fucking nonsense we're dealing
• 36:38
  with here and understand why San Francisco is very much a hotbed of a very bunch, a lot
• 36:43
  of pride and a lot of homosexuals who are just trying to live their lives.
• 36:47
  I played Major League Baseball.
• 36:49
  I played in Minor League Baseball for 11 years.
• 36:52
  I dealt with the most incredulous, insane homophobic nonsense completely masked and
• 37:01
  just like cuddled around religious freedom of your Christianity.
• 37:08
  Now that being said, I want to make this abundantly clear.
• 37:10
  The majority of the Christians I played with in Major League Baseball were wonderful people.
• 37:14
  Wonderful accepting, understanding people.
• 37:16
  I played with one.
• 37:17
  I'll even cite him.
• 37:19
  Jake Gobert, a staunch, staunch, probably a staunch Republican that we, he and I probably
• 37:23
  disagree on almost everything in the world.
• 37:25
  But I remember one time talking about him with him on pride night and Jake Gobert said
• 37:29
  a beautiful thing that I actually said, you're just one of the great ones and I wish more
• 37:32
  people were like you.
• 37:33
  And he looked at me.
• 37:34
  He's like, no, no.
• 37:35
  Like we're all sinners.
• 37:37
  Like it doesn't matter what the sin is.
• 37:39
  Like that's not important.
• 37:40
  I'm going to wear a pride hat because it's important for me to wear a pride hat because
• 37:43
  we should all love each other.
• 37:45
  Like correct.
• 37:47
  Fucking correct.
• 37:48
  That's what it's all about.
• 37:49
  The people that are taking the opportunity and why this is so egregious to me is because
• 37:55
  if you are given the opportunity by Major League Baseball to not wear the pride hat,
• 37:58
  fine, you can wear your normal San Francisco Giants hat.
• 38:01
  We'll notice who you are.
• 38:03
  We'll, we'll mention it to each other about what a fucking homophobe piece of shit you
• 38:07
  are.
• 38:08
  Blank trying in of the Los Angeles Dodgers, but don't worry about it.
• 38:11
  Fine.
• 38:12
  But instead of wearing, not wearing your normal hat, you chose something different.
• 38:16
  You actually fucking chose violence.
• 38:19
  You did.
• 38:20
  None of us did.
• 38:21
  You're just dealing with the consequences of what you decided because you decided instead
• 38:25
  of wearing a Giants hat, you wore the pride hat and then wrote a Bible verse over it to
• 38:30
  antagonize the gay community of the city of San Francisco.
• 38:34
  And you somehow are the fucking victim.
• 38:36
  You were not fined.
• 38:38
  You were not punished.
• 38:39
  There was a stern letter wrote saying, don't do it again.
• 38:41
  That's literally it.
• 38:42
  That's all you got.
• 38:43
  You're experiencing consequences of people who were offended by your bullshit.
• 38:47
  When I was playing professional baseball as a Jew, I can't stress this enough how many
• 38:51
  times I had so many issues with people of the Christian right in major league baseball.
• 38:55
  I got chastised by multiple chaplains from multiple organizations going to the San Diego
• 38:59
  Padres and Kansas city Royals for being Jewish because I didn't show up chapel.
• 39:04
  I had another one where my manager had to step in.
• 39:06
  John Gibbons of the Los Angeles angels stepped in and actually scolded one particular chaplain
• 39:12
  for going too far saying, motherfucker, I'm a Christian, leave him alone because he's
• 39:16
  not going to your chapel because they were trying to fucking convert me.
• 39:19
  I can't stress this enough how embarrassing this is, how stupid this is.
• 39:24
  And the fact that Christians in baseball, which by the way, where's our Christian night?
• 39:29
  There has been more faith and family nights that I had to be a part of that were nauseating
• 39:34
  and I didn't say a word about it.
• 39:36
  I just supported my Christian teammates who wanted to go out and say Bible verses before
• 39:39
  every game.
• 39:40
  I dealt with like four Christian nights a year.
• 39:43
  I never had a Jewish night.
• 39:45
  By the way, I'm not asking for one because I'm not looking for that.
• 39:48
  But you know what?
• 39:49
  However, the community is one of the most honestly attacked, harmed, and under scrutiny
• 39:58
  communities in the world.
• 39:59
  And this is a community that truly wants nothing more than to just be recognized, understood,
• 40:06
  and allowed to exist.
• 40:08
  That's it.
• 40:09
  Literally nothing more.
• 40:11
  So why do we have to have a pride night?
• 40:13
  Your reaction, the reaction around this entire thing, the reaction from Josh fucking Hawley,
• 40:19
  so in the closet, Josh Hawley, the reaction from these politicians who are somehow thinking
• 40:26
  Christianity and major league fucking baseball of all of the organizations that exist on
• 40:32
  planet earth is under attack, is shameful, embarrassing, and insulting to mine.
• 40:39
  And even your intelligence, the fact that we're even talking about this is insane.
• 40:45
  The fact that the players think that they're somehow the victims, fuck you.
• 40:48
  I would release your ass.
• 40:50
  You're not good enough to actually sit there and play.
• 40:52
  If you're going to cite my stats, I don't give a shit.
• 40:55
  I'll Homer off you in fucking three days.
• 40:58
  Give me a bat.
• 40:59
  This is fucking embarrassing.
• 41:01
  I hate where we're at.
• 41:02
  I hate that this is a talking point because we should have been past this 25 fucking years
• 41:06
  ago.
• 41:07
  Yet somehow we're not.
• 41:08
  I, I, I statistically, I played with a hundred gay play baseball players just statistically.
• 41:15
  None of them came out.
• 41:17
  None of them because of this, because of exactly this, because of you, because you are an asshole.
• 41:23
  You're not just some Christian defending their faith.
• 41:26
  You're an asshole.
• 41:27
  I appreciate your Christianity and your faith.
• 41:30
  I really do.
• 41:31
  I wish I had the same faith.
• 41:32
  I just don't.
• 41:33
  I don't see the world that way, but you know what I do see the world as not fucking taking
• 41:37
  anything about me and then punching down to the community that just wants to be acknowledged.
• 41:42
  I just don't get this.
• 41:44
  I don't understand this.
• 41:45
  I don't know why you need to feel big to make somebody else feel fucking small.
• 41:49
  I fucking hate baseball for not having the balls to stand up to anybody about this.
• 41:54
  I'd hate the San Francisco giants, especially in that fucking city.
• 41:58
  Buster Posey, you should resign.
• 41:59
  Tony Vitale, you never should have been fucking hired.
• 42:02
  Embarrassing all around.
• 42:04
  Fucking embarrassing.
• 42:05
  Have a lovely day.
• 42:06
  Yeah.
• 42:07
  I, the fact of the matter is there is no expectation of these owners, teams, or leagues to push
• 42:15
  back on this.
• 42:16
  And so even the giants actually, uh, saying like, this is a uniform violation, something
• 42:22
  that they didn't, it's something that like for someone like these, uh, pitchers and these,
• 42:28
  these players, they, they, they, they see it as ironically, they see it as them being
• 42:34
  oppressed.
• 42:35
  I have a question.
• 42:37
  What other nights of the year have they written a Bible verse on their hat?
• 42:42
  Well, again, this is, you just made the point.
• 42:45
  We know it's homophobia.
• 42:46
  Like we understand that this is obviously like, we know that this is them being homophobic.
• 42:50
  And by the way, even in your acute story about your friend, Josh, I'd love to say, I am,
• 42:55
  I appreciate it, but I don't, because quite honestly, I do find the hate the center, not
• 43:00
  the sin to be wildly condescending, but he truly meant it in the nicest possible way.
• 43:06
  And I'm going to be honest.
• 43:07
  I don't care.
• 43:08
  Not that I think he's a bad person.
• 43:09
  I do think he's probably a really great person, but I do think they're referring to somebody
• 43:13
  like and their identity and who they love as a sin.
• 43:16
  Like, Oh, you went, you didn't, you didn't, you know, I would like to apologize.
• 43:19
  Can I, can I, can I do it?
• 43:20
  No, no, no, no.
• 43:21
  Can I apologize?
• 43:22
  I should say his point a little better because he actually went further details.
• 43:26
  He was explaining like, I'm a sinner.
• 43:27
  Everyone's a sinner.
• 43:28
  It doesn't matter.
• 43:29
  But it's not a sin.
• 43:30
  His point was none.
• 43:31
  He was, he was trying to make the point like none of this is a sin.
• 43:34
  It's just like, it's just saying like lit, like essentially all of us as we exist are
• 43:40
  the same.
• 43:41
  Yes.
• 43:42
  That's kind of what he was.
• 43:43
  That's exactly what he was saying.
• 43:44
  A lot of those people who say that actually are like, I don't agree with it, but you have
• 43:49
  to look, hate the, like hate the sin or love the sin.
• 43:51
  I understand.
• 43:52
  But that's not what he said.
• 43:53
  Cause that is a lot of, and that always bothers me to, to equate somebody, uh, do it like
• 43:59
  expressing love as a sin.
• 44:01
  He was trying to explain in his way that like, I am also a sinner.
• 44:04
  We are all, you're off the hook.
• 44:07
  I want to make it about unclear.
• 44:08
  He was like, I truly like, Oh, like, except heard that phrase before and I pushed back.
• 44:13
  No, I've pushed back on that phrase many times how he described it was like, no, no, no.
• 44:19
  It's more like, like, we're all, like literally me, you, anyone, we're all just sitting like,
• 44:27
  that's the point.
• 44:28
  Like we're all.
• 44:29
  Every one of us.
• 44:30
  And we should love each other.
• 44:31
  There's a, there's, there's a, a frustrating, you know, co-opting of these moments.
• 44:37
  Um, and every time it happens, it's like, we see exactly what you're doing.
• 44:41
  You are homophobic.
• 44:42
  And I wish that guys who say I'm not anti-LGBTQ, yeah, you are just say you are just say you
• 44:49
  are so that we don't have to play this game.
• 44:51
  It's insane.
• 44:52
  You know, you said everything from you, you played it, you saw it.
• 44:55
  There's absolutely nothing I can bring to the table.
• 44:57
  That's going to like express exactly what you've seen from the baseball community better
• 45:01
  than I can.
• 45:02
  But what I can say in addition, additionally, is that every single fucking time someone
• 45:07
  tells me sports, aren't politics, keep politics out of sports, keep politics out of sports.
• 45:10
  This was not political.
• 45:12
  It was gay pride night.
• 45:13
  That is, Hey, we're proud.
• 45:15
  This is San Francisco.
• 45:16
  We're proud of our, our history.
• 45:17
  We're proud of what we've done for this community.
• 45:19
  Just like if you were to honor Latinos in San Diego, or like if you were going to have
• 45:24
  Mexican pride night in Los Angeles, or if you were going to have, you know, Amish pride
• 45:28
  night in fucking Pennsylvania, this is a community that you're a part of that they're honoring.
• 45:32
  And you still made it political by not, not the government's involved.
• 45:39
  They did pride night, the MLB punished the players for not following their uniform protocol.
• 45:46
  They did not punish them.
• 45:48
  There was no punishment there.
• 45:49
  Well, they, they, they let them know they can't do it again or they'll be fine.
• 45:53
  There was no fucking punishment.
• 45:55
  So there's, there's a warning about uniform protocol and the government gets involved.
• 46:00
  I need you people to understand what I just said.
• 46:03
  The MLB issued a warning to their players about uniform protocol and the government
• 46:09
  got involved.
• 46:10
  Again, so no one suspended, no one fined, no one punished.
• 46:14
  Even if there were, why the fuck would the government be involved?
• 46:17
  I completely agree.
• 46:18
  But I also want to make a point out that no one was punished, fined, or even fucking scolded.
• 46:25
  But I don't want to make, I don't want you to make that point because what happens is
• 46:28
  when you say that it makes it sound like if they did do that, it would, we'd understand
• 46:31
  why the government got involved.
• 46:33
  No, no government should not be involved in what the leagues are doing regarding uniform
• 46:39
  policy.
• 46:40
  So that's, we're going to leave it there.
• 46:42
  And then we're going to talk about the fact that the government being involved is purely
• 46:45
  a, a political propaganda move for Christo nationalism, for Christo fascism.
• 46:52
  And that is why every time you people tell me that I am making something political, that's
• 46:59
  not, I will point to these moments where this administration is insinuating itself into
• 47:05
  non-political situations, purely like we know homophobes exist in sports.
• 47:10
  It happens in the NHL.
• 47:11
  It happens in the NFL.
• 47:12
  It happens.
• 47:13
  And the homophobia itself is a problem, but to make it political by insinuating the government
• 47:18
  into it is a problem.
• 47:19
  And the, and quite honestly, Cody, this is another point, the billionaires think they're
• 47:23
  safe from this, right?
• 47:24
  Like they're just going to let it happen.
• 47:25
  They're going to just keep getting on their knees and bootlicking this administration.
• 47:30
  But the fact of the matter is they should be incredibly nervous.
• 47:32
  And I have noticed that some of these billionaires are getting a little nervous about how far
• 47:36
  this administration is willing to reach into their business, reach into their pockets reads
• 47:43
  into their, uh, you know, rules and regulations, the NFL is getting uncomfortable.
• 47:48
  The MLB is getting uncomfortable.
• 47:50
  It's starting to get a little hairy for these leagues that have sucked the dicks of these
• 47:53
  billionaires and Trump and everybody else this entire time, because this, this is an
• 47:56
  attack on the MLB and they're going to try to, they're going to try to toe the line.
• 48:00
  But the reality is if they're going to do this, what else are they going to get in on?
• 48:03
  What other shit are they going to try to pull with these leagues?
• 48:06
  And every single one, you know, as, as we've talked about, once these teams start being
• 48:11
  owned by more groups, more hedge funds, where there's not individual billionaires owning
• 48:15
  the team that can have our individual relationship to Donald Trump, like the Waltons or like
• 48:20
  the, you know, Adelson's right now, you've got people who Trump and his cronies don't
• 48:26
  have allegiance to.
• 48:28
  But what they do have allegiance to is using the massive platform that American sports
• 48:33
  occupies.
• 48:34
  It is the most watched live television that we have.
• 48:40
  Nobody watches anything live at the, at the level of millions, except for sports.
• 48:46
  There's nothing you can do to reach the American masses faster than with sports.
• 48:51
  So when, when politicians, especially politicians on the left, ignore just what platform this,
• 48:59
  these sports have.
• 49:00
  When people tell me, tell me that my industry isn't political.
• 49:03
  Guess what?
• 49:04
  You can get on, you can get on MSNBC and talk about the next fucking little bit, like whatever
• 49:09
  the fucking Supreme court did that day and no one's going to see it.
• 49:13
  But guess who's got what?
• 49:14
  Guess what?
• 49:15
  People fucking watch sports.
• 49:16
  And these, this administration knows exactly what it's doing by coming for professional
• 49:22
  sports leagues.
• 49:23
  Sure.
• 49:24
  Every time.
• 49:25
  I can't stress this enough.
• 49:26
  Okay.
• 49:27
  Just so we're all clear.
• 49:28
  I just looked this up just to make sure.
• 49:29
  Um, anyone under 30 years, 30 years old, uh, 23% of America, uh, identifies as LGBTQ.
• 49:35
  Um, that is just who identifies, um, that does not include athletes.
• 49:39
  We're gay.
• 49:40
  We're a gay ass society.
• 49:41
  I want to make this abundantly clear.
• 49:42
  So just say based off those numbers alone, uh, there are four players on the giants who
• 49:48
  are actively gay.
• 49:49
  Um, those players aren't aware of this.
• 49:51
  I can't stress this enough.
• 49:52
  Hey, some of those players might be the Bible verse people.
• 49:55
  I want to know.
• 49:56
  I can't stress this enough.
• 49:57
  I probably, some of them might be, they might be, or they might not.
• 50:00
  I'm not saying they all, I'm just saying, I'm just saying like, motherfucker, I was
• 50:05
  an ally my entire career ever since I was a little kid.
• 50:11
  And like, I went to gay pride parades.
• 50:12
  I was around gay people.
• 50:13
  I've gave family members that are, I'm a, I shit you not my favorite family members.
• 50:17
  I can't stress this enough.
• 50:18
  There's nothing more pathetic.
• 50:19
  He hates his straight family members.
• 50:20
  I do.
• 50:21
  I actually dislike most of my straight family members, but I can't stress this enough.
• 50:25
  Punching down at the most vulnerable communities in our society is, is an ERC for me that I
• 50:30
  just cannot stress enough.
• 50:32
  Well, I'd also like to remind people that a lot of, a lot of gay people and trans people
• 50:36
  can kick the, kick your fucking asses up.
• 50:41
  I'd really love to see it.
• 50:42
  I really, I don't want to put them in danger.
• 50:45
  I want to point this out.
• 50:46
  When I was at series six, I remember I got called in the office cause I told this one
• 50:49
  person that they were a little bitch and I told him they were a little bitch because
• 50:52
  they were really anti-trans.
• 50:54
  And I made it abundantly clear, listen, every trans person is stronger than you will ever
• 50:58
  dream that you ever could be because you are not strong enough to actually go out in public
• 51:01
  and be who you actually are.
• 51:03
  This part, these people are doing it and they're doing it.
• 51:04
  The ostracization of society, I can't stress this enough what it takes for them to actually
• 51:10
  go out and be themselves.
• 51:12
  I also firmly believe that they would beat you in an arm wrestling match cause you're
• 51:15
  a little bitch.
• 51:16
  They sent that to my boss, Steve Torrey and Steve Torrey called me in the office and can't
• 51:20
  do this again.
• 51:21
  And I'm going to fucking do it again.
• 51:22
  I'm going to do it again.
• 51:24
  I'm going to do it again and again and again and again.
• 51:25
  Because if you're going to take their side, I don't want to work here.
• 51:28
  Luckily, I was, I was publicly fired like a couple of months later.
• 51:31
  So it doesn't really matter, but I can't stress this enough.
• 51:33
  I'm going to do it again.
• 51:34
  I'm going to do it again and again.
• 51:36
  And I want those people who are little bitches who want to punch down on the community that
• 51:42
  can very much defend themselves and don't need me to white knight for them.
• 51:45
  But I'm going to do it fucking anyways.
• 51:46
  I can't stress.
• 51:47
  That's how I feel all the time.
• 51:48
  People are always like, oh, you black people don't need you to stand up for them.
• 51:51
  Or like, you know, trans people don't need you to stand up for them.
• 51:54
  I don't care.
• 51:55
  I don't think you understand.
• 51:57
  I hate you.
• 51:58
  You hating these people makes me hate you.
• 51:59
  I don't need a gold star.
• 52:00
  I don't need a gold star.
• 52:01
  Do you think I'm afraid to get fired?
• 52:02
  Bitch, I've been fired so many fucking times.
• 52:03
  I'm going to get fired again and I'll get hired again because I'm fucking good.
• 52:11
  Like we're not, we're not doing this for gold stars.
• 52:14
  We just genuinely hate you for being a hater for, for being a bigot.
• 52:20
  We hate you.
• 52:21
  No gold star necessary.
• 52:22
  Just for the record, those four giants players, maybe there's a chance cause I've been with
• 52:26
  a lot of baseball players and the majority of them are fucking idiots.
• 52:29
  I can't stress this enough.
• 52:30
  It's a very uneducated talent pool of human beings.
• 52:33
  They just are.
• 52:35
  Maybe there's a chance.
• 52:36
  There's a lot of ignorance involved, just unawareness involved.
• 52:40
  I'm going to give them like a 1% benefit of the doubt today in this wonderful magical
• 52:47
  story I'm giving them.
• 52:49
  You have gay teammates right now.
• 52:51
  You shower with them, they've seen you naked, they've seen your penis and you don't even
• 52:55
  know cause it's not that big of a deal and you don't know because they're not interested
• 53:00
  in you.
• 53:01
  You're a bunch of ugly bearded fucking neck beard fucks.
• 53:04
  Your wives don't even want to fuck.
• 53:06
  No one wants to fuck you.
• 53:07
  Your teammates don't want to fuck you.
• 53:09
  The gay community doesn't want to fuck you.
• 53:11
  How about this?
• 53:12
  Go out and pitch baseballs.
• 53:13
  If you have something important to say, we might listen.
• 53:16
  This wasn't important to say.
• 53:18
  In fact, this was antagonistic, rude, and quite frankly, childish and stupid and anyone
• 53:24
  that defends it, fuck you.
• 53:27
  You're an asshole.
• 53:28
  Honestly.
• 53:29
  Well said.
• 53:30
  I think we're, I think we covered that topic.
• 53:36
  We're probably not going to let up very much for the rest of this show because there's,
• 53:41
  it's all, it's all like a lot of bullshit.
• 53:44
  We're going into media corner because this Alexi Lawless versus Zlatan Ibrahimovic, it's
• 53:54
  not dying.
• 53:55
  It's living.
• 53:56
  It is living, breathing.
• 53:58
  It is a living, breathing organism of a story.
• 54:00
  And there was a new development today that a lot of folks were talking about.
• 54:05
  It's amazing.
• 54:06
  I, I love when my former employee, I'm sorry, our former employer Fox fucking runs and hides.
• 54:15
  It's fucking so comically embarrassing.
• 54:18
  I love it.
• 54:19
  I almost want to call like fucking all the exec.
• 54:21
  I want to call Jacob Oldman like Jacob fucking, what are you doing?
• 54:25
  I want to call a fucking, what are you doing?
• 54:30
  I don't care.
• 54:31
  This is fucking hilarious.
• 54:32
  I'm like, guys, this is the best thing ever.
• 54:36
  Like watching them on stage together was amazing.
• 54:40
  Watching them just talk down to Lawless.
• 54:44
  Can I tell the, can I tell the people what happened today at the update, please?
• 54:47
  It's amazing.
• 54:48
  Okay.
• 54:49
  Here's the update.
• 54:50
  I'm going to say Jacob Oldman again.
• 54:51
  Okay.
• 54:52
  Here's the update.
• 54:53
  So, um, the, uh, the, there was a notable absence on the desk that all, all world cup.
• 55:00
  It's been Rebecca Lowe, Tyrion Reeves, lots on Ibrahimovic and Alexi Lawless.
• 55:04
  Now Tyrion Reeves, lots on Ibrahimovic, two of the greatest players of an era of a generation.
• 55:10
  Alexi Lawless is there and Alexi Lawless is there was a good player in 1994.
• 55:15
  Yes, he was.
• 55:16
  He actually was.
• 55:17
  Yes, he was.
• 55:18
  And that's really, that's his claim to fame.
• 55:19
  Uh, he'll let you know every time he talks, I would like to show everybody a clip of what
• 55:25
  went down to open up the USA broadcast today.
• 55:29
  So, uh, go ahead and play that for us.
• 55:37
  Chaps, Alexi left us.
• 55:39
  Who?
• 55:40
  Oh, Alexi will be back.
• 55:44
  Alexi will be back with us very soon.
• 55:46
  Your plan worked, Rebecca.
• 55:47
  Don't you bring me into this.
• 55:49
  No chance.
• 55:50
  America, you're welcome.
• 55:51
  We are going to talk about USA's game, of course.
• 55:54
  It's lovely.
• 55:55
  Rebecca Lowe.
• 55:56
  Chaps, Alexi.
• 55:57
  So yeah, uh, Zlatan is not letting it go.
• 56:02
  Like they have begged Zlatan to lay off.
• 56:05
  He's not letting off.
• 56:07
  Rebecca's like trying so hard to keep it chill, but even she's not trying that hard to keep
• 56:11
  it chill.
• 56:12
  Um, these people don't like Alexi Lawless just like the rest of us don't.
• 56:15
  But here's the thing, Cody.
• 56:16
  Um, and I have been in this industry for, since the day, since six months before I graduated
• 56:22
  college, it's all I've ever known.
• 56:24
  It's all I've ever done.
• 56:25
  And it's, I, when you are professionally, when you were professionally playing sports,
• 56:29
  I was professionally watching soccer and making sports television and watching sports, all
• 56:34
  the sports and making sports television.
• 56:36
  I have never in my life ever seen a situation like this where a, an already highly controversial
• 56:45
  analyst.
• 56:46
  Yes.
• 56:47
  Because Alexi Lawless has always been controversial.
• 56:48
  He is.
• 56:49
  Why?
• 56:50
  Because he used to be a hippie and then he turned into a right wing grifter?
• 56:52
  Not before the right wing grifter.
• 56:55
  That's, that's what I'm trying to tell you is that this is not a, like, this is prior
• 56:59
  to the right wing mega stuff.
• 57:01
  This is before we even knew his politics.
• 57:03
  He was already a very unliked analyst.
• 57:06
  He is a contrarian.
• 57:08
  He's a bit of a rage baiter.
• 57:10
  He's cocky.
• 57:11
  And, and just has always had an air of like, like something off about him.
• 57:16
  And so this has been going on for a long time with Alexi Lawless, very long time.
• 57:21
  I can't remember a time where people were like enjoying his, his analysis really, uh,
• 57:26
  en masse, right?
• 57:27
  Along come two of the greatest players of a generation, Thierry Henry, who has been
• 57:31
  an incredible analyst.
• 57:32
  Zlatan is new to this, but Thierry Henry is an incredible analyst and has been for a while.
• 57:36
  Also one of the greats.
• 57:37
  Turns out Zlatan is also the second greats.
• 57:40
  So immediately as we start, like, as soon as this coverage started, we all were like,
• 57:45
  oh, come on, you're putting Zlatan and Thierry Henry next to Alexi Lawless.
• 57:49
  This is embarrassing.
• 57:50
  This is whatever.
• 57:51
  We all had that conversation.
• 57:52
  We didn't know that they were going to agree.
• 57:54
  We didn't know that they were going to agree out loud and repeatedly fucking roast him
• 57:58
  and dog him and not let up.
• 58:00
  They have dogs him daily.
• 58:02
  He's not even there and he's still wearing it.
• 58:04
  And to the point where I, I think we might've even said it in our show last where I was
• 58:08
  like, I, I think Fox might have to fucking do something like this might actually be the
• 58:12
  first time that they're like, we actually can't keep getting away with this because
• 58:16
  of course Fox always was getting away with it.
• 58:18
  They were like, who else are we going to put on here?
• 58:19
  It's Alexi blah, blah, blah.
• 58:20
  But like for them to move there, they're going to sell this as like, oh, we were always
• 58:24
  sending Alexi Lawless to Seattle.
• 58:26
  Okay.
• 58:27
  Okay.
• 58:28
  And then, and like, it's really, really wild.
• 58:33
  Um, and did you see the Zlatan, um, lie detector test?
• 58:38
  Yes.
• 58:39
  Every, so Zlatan's telling the truth, telling the truth, telling the truth.
• 58:44
  He's getting yes, yes.
• 58:45
  And he's answering crazy questions.
• 58:46
  They were like, if you could put four Zlatans on the desk instead of like you and everybody
• 58:51
  else, would you do it?
• 58:52
  And he was like, yes.
• 58:53
  Right.
• 58:54
  And then they said, do you respect the opinions of everybody on the desk?
• 58:58
  And he said, yes.
• 58:59
  And it came, it was the only one that came back as a lie.
• 59:03
  And he just sort of sheepishly looked at the camera and was like, I don't know who it is,
• 59:10
  which leads us, which led us into this.
• 59:12
  And so, you know, kind of the point that I really want to make is like part of the reason
• 59:17
  that this has become such a big deal is because these games are being incredibly highly viewed
• 59:21
  there.
• 59:22
  They are, they are matching, um, MLB and NBA playoff games.
• 59:26
  Uh, the ratings have been incredible.
• 59:28
  The ratings are always really good for World Cup.
• 59:31
  Fox is doing a really good, like there are problems.
• 59:33
  I make, I don't like the hydration breaks Fox.
• 59:36
  It's Fox's fault about the hydration.
• 59:38
  I know.
• 59:39
  And I know that they're making a killing on the commercial.
• 59:42
  So there's a part of me.
• 59:43
  A lot of people are watching Telemundo there, you know, it's like, it's really funny because
• 59:47
  like the Telemundo numbers are crazy, but even still the Fox numbers are crazy because
• 59:50
  there's so many people.
• 59:51
  And by the way, like, listen, I know a lot of people are giving that shit.
• 59:54
  Like I'm not troting a company line here.
• 59:57
  I mean, you, you kind of have to get it.
• 1:00:00
  They're making so much money on those breaks.
• 1:00:02
  I don't get it.
• 1:00:03
  I really don't know because they're just a corporation, man.
• 1:00:06
  They're going to stop.
• 1:00:07
  What I'm saying is I don't, I don't personally get it because I genuinely think that like
• 1:00:11
  it's not even like, it's not even a long enough ad break where you're getting like Super Bowl
• 1:00:15
  number.
• 1:00:16
  Like I, I read that they're getting a fucking yeah.
• 1:00:19
  A million dollar ads, whatever.
• 1:00:20
  But like, they don't, when you're talking about a company that's worth a million dollars
• 1:00:25
  is like me being like, Cody, I just gave you a dollar.
• 1:00:27
  Or isn't it like, you're not wrong, but I don't think we're in a capitalistic fucking
• 1:00:32
  country.
• 1:00:33
  I don't think I.
• 1:00:34
  Yeah, because we've been, I mean, we've been capitalist the whole time.
• 1:00:36
  We've been like airing soccer games.
• 1:00:38
  It's just not, it's so unnecessary.
• 1:00:39
  It's Fox.
• 1:00:40
  To me, it feels, to me, it feels like, um, like a Trump, Infantino, uh, Fox relationship
• 1:00:47
  where there is a, where there's a very distinct, important, uh, placement of America as a,
• 1:00:54
  as a trendsetter, as a, as a game changer.
• 1:00:58
  That's what I don't like.
• 1:01:00
  Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  That's the part I don't like where they're like, we're going to turn soccer into quarters.
• 1:01:03
  No, no.
• 1:01:04
  I can't stress this enough.
• 1:01:05
  I understand.
• 1:01:06
  There's an American.
• 1:01:07
  When I say this, I mean, I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
• 1:01:09
  I understand.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Every diehard soccer fan.
• 1:01:12
  I get it.
• 1:01:13
  By the way, this is not me defending Fox and then what they're doing.
• 1:01:16
  I just also understand what Fox is doing.
• 1:01:19
  What you're saying.
• 1:01:20
  You keep saying understand, but I feel like I know what you're saying, which is that you,
• 1:01:22
  you don't expect anything.
• 1:01:24
  I don't expect better from them.
• 1:01:25
  I expected them to do this.
• 1:01:27
  I'm shocked.
• 1:01:28
  It's this little.
• 1:01:29
  Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  It's not like, Oh, I totally feel like I get it.
• 1:01:33
  Every corporation was always, it's more just like, Oh, of course a corporation is fucking
• 1:01:37
  up the tenor.
• 1:01:38
  How about this?
• 1:01:39
  I worked at Fox.
• 1:01:40
  I'm shocked.
• 1:01:41
  It's this subtle.
• 1:01:42
  Listen, I worked at Fox a lot longer than you did.
• 1:01:44
  And I'm still like, that's why I'm like, I know they don't need the fucking money.
• 1:01:48
  I know they don't need the money, but I know what we had to put on TV every day and what
• 1:01:52
  was directed to put on TV every day.
• 1:01:54
  I'm shocked.
• 1:01:55
  It's this little, I'll say I was trying to make it better for you.
• 1:01:58
  They were listening to me.
• 1:01:59
  You were in LA.
• 1:02:00
  I was stuck in New York.
• 1:02:01
  I was doing a great job.
• 1:02:02
  I was fixing coward.
• 1:02:03
  By the way.
• 1:02:04
  Coward show.
• 1:02:05
  Coward show has gone downhill.
• 1:02:08
  Oh, you mean why?
• 1:02:09
  Because he today talked about retiring and nobody watches his show and he is fucking
• 1:02:12
  making mistakes left and right.
• 1:02:14
  He did say he wasn't retiring until he was 70 and he's not even 60.
• 1:02:17
  So he's like fifties.
• 1:02:18
  Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  Colin's great.
• 1:02:21
  Colin looks really great.
• 1:02:22
  Well, Colin has aged beautifully.
• 1:02:23
  Really well.
• 1:02:24
  Like Colin's aging.
• 1:02:25
  Colin's like, I wish I was aging.
• 1:02:27
  How Colin's aging?
• 1:02:28
  I'm aging like milk.
• 1:02:29
  He's aging like Steve Carell.
• 1:02:31
  He looks fucking like, yeah, truly.
• 1:02:32
  Colin, you look fucking great.
• 1:02:33
  Yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Colin looks great.
• 1:02:35
  And I don't think he needs to retire anytime soon.
• 1:02:37
  No, he doesn't.
• 1:02:38
  But he does clearly need a news editor because like his shit has been like, I'm like, I just
• 1:02:41
  know he's so much better than the content he's been putting out.
• 1:02:43
  And they've gotten really lazy.
• 1:02:44
  I haven't seen it.
• 1:02:45
  I haven't either.
• 1:02:46
  I've only been seeing the clips.
• 1:02:47
  I write like, so I'm not putting the fucking show on, but like the clips have just been
• 1:02:50
  like, oh, Colin, dude, where we got a rainy back.
• 1:02:52
  I've just kind of been out on the volume is great.
• 1:02:55
  So here's the thing.
• 1:02:56
  I just haven't watched it.
• 1:02:57
  Like I'm very out on FS one.
• 1:02:59
  There's no reason for me to watch it.
• 1:03:00
  There's literally nothing.
• 1:03:01
  The only thing I see.
• 1:03:02
  Oh, well, that's a lie.
• 1:03:03
  I sometimes see clips as well.
• 1:03:05
  I love Danny Parkins.
• 1:03:06
  Like Danny's a friend of mine.
• 1:03:07
  I don't like Danny Park.
• 1:03:08
  I like, no, wait, I love him.
• 1:03:10
  Wait, wait, wait.
• 1:03:11
  Let me rephrase this.
• 1:03:12
  I think he's literally one of the nicest people.
• 1:03:13
  Oh, sweetest guy.
• 1:03:14
  When I say I, I genuinely think he's one of the nicest human beings.
• 1:03:19
  No, no, no.
• 1:03:20
  He is so sweet and so kind, but I love Danny more on the radio than television.
• 1:03:24
  I do like him more on the radio and television, but that's not for me to say.
• 1:03:27
  It always feels.
• 1:03:28
  It's just what I like.
• 1:03:29
  He's not as comfortable on television.
• 1:03:31
  Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  He's a little awkward on TV, but like he's such a sweet guy and he makes good point.
• 1:03:36
  He's actually good.
• 1:03:37
  No, he is very good.
• 1:03:38
  I completely agree.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Like he is like, I will say, I will say, I do think that like I not everybody needs to
• 1:03:47
  be on television and that's not an aesthetics thing.
• 1:03:49
  I genuinely mean things change when a camera is on you a little bit.
• 1:03:53
  But, but I do, I want to make, I do think he's good and I think Nick Wright is good.
• 1:03:57
  Nick Wright is fucking amazing.
• 1:03:59
  Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  I wouldn't go that far.
• 1:04:01
  I think he's good.
• 1:04:02
  He is.
• 1:04:03
  Boy, we're just, we have different tastes, I guess.
• 1:04:05
  That's see what you need to understand is like Nick does exactly what you're supposed
• 1:04:10
  to do.
• 1:04:11
  I, sometimes I hate what Nick's doing.
• 1:04:13
  Sometimes I love what Nick's doing, but he's always charismatic and he's always like, like
• 1:04:18
  there's something to listen to and he does, he never does the Stephen A.
• 1:04:21
  Smith thing.
• 1:04:22
  You're right about that.
• 1:04:23
  He's like suddenly doesn't know what's going on.
• 1:04:25
  No, no.
• 1:04:26
  Very smart.
• 1:04:27
  Very, very intelligent.
• 1:04:28
  There's no real critiques.
• 1:04:29
  He's on a debate show.
• 1:04:30
  Would I put him on, on around the horn?
• 1:04:33
  No, I don't think he's that kind of guy.
• 1:04:35
  I don't think he is an intellectual debater in that way.
• 1:04:38
  I think he, his entertainment value as a debater is like, it matches just about anybody like
• 1:04:45
  outside of like peak Stephen A. Smith.
• 1:04:47
  You're right about that.
• 1:04:48
  I know.
• 1:04:49
  For what he does.
• 1:04:50
  I apologize.
• 1:04:51
  I just want to praise that because I, this is not an anti Nick Wright thing.
• 1:04:54
  I actually like Nick.
• 1:04:55
  Right.
• 1:04:56
  I think Nick writes great.
• 1:04:57
  I really do.
• 1:04:58
  He's just not my, he's just not my cup of tea.
• 1:05:01
  That's all.
• 1:05:02
  Were you a Quornheiser Wilbon guy?
• 1:05:03
  No.
• 1:05:04
  Oh, I like Wilbon, but like, I appreciate also that Wilbon is a diehard Chicago guy.
• 1:05:07
  But you weren't a PTI guy growing up?
• 1:05:09
  No.
• 1:05:10
  Really?
• 1:05:11
  I was not.
• 1:05:12
  So I think that's part of it is like, I'm a PT.
• 1:05:13
  I was a PTI guy.
• 1:05:14
  I was not.
• 1:05:15
  I watched it occasionally.
• 1:05:16
  I have always been like, I've liked the like banter of two people who might disagree, but
• 1:05:21
  are friends.
• 1:05:22
  Oh no, no.
• 1:05:23
  I appreciate the show, but I wasn't like, I never watched it.
• 1:05:26
  I'm like, this is my jam.
• 1:05:27
  What was your thing growing up?
• 1:05:28
  Uh, for sports media?
• 1:05:29
  None of it.
• 1:05:30
  I think sports media is terrible.
• 1:05:31
  I'm sorry.
• 1:05:32
  As a kid?
• 1:05:33
  None of it.
• 1:05:34
  I think sports media is terrible.
• 1:05:35
  It wasn't though.
• 1:05:36
  Like, that's the thing is like when we were kids, it was, there was like, see, this is
• 1:05:40
  where I liked the big show of sports center.
• 1:05:43
  I liked, I liked when Olbermann and fucking.
• 1:05:46
  That's what I was just asking you, Cody.
• 1:05:47
  But that was sports center.
• 1:05:48
  It wasn't exactly a breakdown.
• 1:05:49
  I'm not talking about the big show.
• 1:05:50
  What did you like as a kid?
• 1:05:51
  I loved sports center.
• 1:05:52
  I loved the big show, specifically the big show, but that's not what sports center and
• 1:05:53
  what sports media is anymore.
• 1:05:54
  It's different.
• 1:05:55
  I said, as a child, what did you like?
• 1:05:56
  You're like nothing.
• 1:05:57
  No, I'm sorry.
• 1:05:58
  What these shows are now.
• 1:05:59
  I didn't, I don't like this, but dude, I liked sports center as a kid.
• 1:06:00
  What did you like?
• 1:06:01
  You're like nothing.
• 1:06:02
  No, I'm sorry.
• 1:06:03
  What these shows are now.
• 1:06:04
  I didn't, I don't like this, but dude, I liked sports center as a kid.
• 1:06:05
  Yes.
• 1:06:06
  Oh my God.
• 1:06:07
  Why is it so frustrating for you?
• 1:06:08
  Because I literally was like, Hey, what did you like as a kid?
• 1:06:09
  And you were like, nothing.
• 1:06:10
  I'm sorry.
• 1:06:11
  I apologize.
• 1:06:12
  I guess I didn't understand the question because we didn't have these.
• 1:06:13
  So it was a completely confusing question.
• 1:06:14
  What do you like as a child?
• 1:06:15
  I apologize.
• 1:06:16
  You have to understand based on the sports landscape of what we watched today.
• 1:06:17
  No, I know what's happening.
• 1:06:18
  This is Jack Daniels Falls.
• 1:06:19
  No.
• 1:06:20
  No.
• 1:06:21
  No.
• 1:06:22
  No.
• 1:06:23
  No.
• 1:06:24
  No.
• 1:06:25
  No.
• 1:06:26
  No.
• 1:06:27
  No.
• 1:06:28
  No.
• 1:06:29
  No.
• 1:06:30
  No.
• 1:06:31
  No.
• 1:06:32
  No.
• 1:06:33
  No.
• 1:06:34
  I apologize.
• 1:06:35
  This was Jack Daniels Falls.
• 1:06:36
  No, it's not.
• 1:06:37
  It is.
• 1:06:38
  It's not because I thought your question was more along the lines of what is sports like
• 1:06:40
  sports we need now is talk shows.
• 1:06:42
  No, I didn't think you, I didn't want you to time travel.
• 1:06:44
  I was asking what you liked as a kid in the nineties.
• 1:06:47
  I liked sports centers.
• 1:06:48
  Sports centers where I got my sports information.
• 1:06:49
  There's a, um, Rich Eyes is doing a thing on ESPN where he's like interviewing people
• 1:06:54
  about this is, it's called this as sports center.
• 1:06:56
  And they're talking about.
• 1:06:57
  I did hear about that.
• 1:06:59
  His first guest was Dan Patrick.
• 1:07:00
  First of all, Dan Patrick is fucking insane.
• 1:07:02
  He does not like mint words.
• 1:07:04
  He talks mad shit.
• 1:07:05
  He's like so straightforward.
• 1:07:07
  You would love it.
• 1:07:08
  Like, I mean, all of us kids that were, uh, like for the, for the real prime of sports
• 1:07:14
  center.
• 1:07:15
  Cause we really got prime sports center.
• 1:07:16
  I want to take the back.
• 1:07:17
  I also loved real sports when I was younger.
• 1:07:18
  I thought that was great stuff.
• 1:07:20
  But that was also because I was interested in the actual sports stories and that's kind
• 1:07:24
  of the thing pieces that ESPN used to do.
• 1:07:27
  We're not in that world anymore.
• 1:07:28
  So I apologize.
• 1:07:29
  What I thought you were kind of saying, like, what did I like?
• 1:07:31
  Cause you were citing PTI specifically.
• 1:07:32
  What?
• 1:07:33
  Oh, like something that still exists.
• 1:07:34
  Yes.
• 1:07:35
  I, I thought this was more like on ESPN that still exists that did you like when you were
• 1:07:39
  little?
• 1:07:40
  Uh, so what I liked when I was little was sports center and sports information.
• 1:07:43
  Um, literally everything they put together, everything you want to know what's really
• 1:07:47
  fascinating.
• 1:07:48
  We're going to just keep getting off track.
• 1:07:49
  This is going to be a long show.
• 1:07:52
  Um, the, I, I was recently watching a sports center.
• 1:07:56
  Um, my friend Madeline Burke is, she just became a sports center anchor a couple of
• 1:08:00
  months ago and she's great.
• 1:08:03
  She came out of New York.
• 1:08:04
  Do you know Madeline Burke?
• 1:08:05
  I'm not personally, but I know where she is.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah.
• 1:08:07
  So Chris went to college with her.
• 1:08:08
  We were friends out in LA, so she moved out to New York a long time ago and then she's
• 1:08:11
  been out there since crushing it.
• 1:08:13
  Whatever.
• 1:08:14
  By the way, they've hired a couple of really good people recently.
• 1:08:15
  Yes.
• 1:08:16
  And she was great.
• 1:08:17
  And I was watching her sports center and it was great.
• 1:08:20
  She did an amazing job.
• 1:08:21
  Like I loved it.
• 1:08:22
  I got to see some tennis highlights I got to see and I, and it was making me nostalgic
• 1:08:25
  for like just getting to sit and watch like a bunch of different highlights from a bunch
• 1:08:29
  of different sports with a charismatic, cool, hot person.
• 1:08:33
  Right.
• 1:08:34
  And then I watched baseball highlights on Netflix because they do this.
• 1:08:40
  You know that how Netflix, do you know this?
• 1:08:42
  They do like baseball highlights now.
• 1:08:44
  Yes.
• 1:08:45
  Yes.
• 1:08:46
  Have you watched them?
• 1:08:49
  No, I haven't.
• 1:08:52
  So I watched for the first time I watched one the other day and it was a bad and I was like,
• 1:08:58
  it's not that the, I loved seeing the game.
• 1:08:59
  It was like a, it was like a long recap.
• 1:09:01
  They were doing in and by ending and it was really long, but I was like, there is an art
• 1:09:06
  to the highlight.
• 1:09:07
  There's an art to the recap.
• 1:09:08
  There's an art to the sports center approach that like these streaming services are just
• 1:09:14
  not getting.
• 1:09:16
  And it was just a fascinating, it was a fascinating juxtaposition.
• 1:09:19
  If I, after I just watched Madeline do her highlights where I was like, I, I, it's such
• 1:09:25
  a sad commentary that we've lost it because I think now more than ever, we need sports
• 1:09:30
  center.
• 1:09:31
  Like, I think now more than ever, we just need a place to be like, Hey, what happened
• 1:09:34
  today?
• 1:09:35
  Cause it's too much.
• 1:09:36
  Like everybody says, Oh, well we can just get everything on, on the internet now.
• 1:09:39
  But it's like, I I'm tired, like I'm so fucking tired that I would love for sports center
• 1:09:46
  to make a comeback.
• 1:09:47
  It just, they just, ESPN does not do the right marketing.
• 1:09:51
  They don't put it the right way.
• 1:09:52
  By the way, I, there is a funny, you say, are we chatting with somebody?
• 1:09:56
  Oh yeah.
• 1:09:57
  I was just talking down a Nazi.
• 1:09:58
  That's okay.
• 1:09:59
  I didn't know if it was the live chat or not.
• 1:10:00
  No, no, it wasn't live.
• 1:10:01
  Live chats.
• 1:10:02
  Actually been great.
• 1:10:03
  This entire show.
• 1:10:04
  They are putting on like full paragraphs.
• 1:10:06
  They, they love what we're talking about.
• 1:10:07
  They love how passionate we are about this chance specifically has been retweeting a
• 1:10:10
  lot.
• 1:10:11
  Um, but no, the, um, how do I put it?
• 1:10:15
  I actually, I, there's one thing I feel like is a little misleading cause they still have
• 1:10:20
  sports center and the morning AM sports center, the, the two guys, and there is a route to
• 1:10:25
  rotating there.
• 1:10:26
  Then fill in any other guys.
• 1:10:27
  Uh, they're a little corny, but like Randy, I don't know their names.
• 1:10:31
  They're young.
• 1:10:32
  They're young.
• 1:10:33
  Oh.
• 1:10:34
  Um, I gotta say the sports are AM is actually quite good.
• 1:10:37
  They're kind of bubbly.
• 1:10:38
  They kind of have a little bit of a rapport with each other.
• 1:10:41
  It's very morning.
• 1:10:42
  There's another one with morning rain, more like morning talk show and Gary, I like Randy
• 1:10:46
  and Gary.
• 1:10:47
  I don't know.
• 1:10:48
  The chat might know.
• 1:10:50
  Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  I really think sports are still really good.
• 1:10:53
  Like they have really young, vibrant and, and kind of funny.
• 1:10:57
  People are throwing a lot of fun references in there with the sports highlights.
• 1:11:00
  And it's, I got to say, I still think the thing that ESPN does the very best is still
• 1:11:04
  sports.
• 1:11:05
  Um, Instagram said I'm with you on sports center.
• 1:11:08
  So yeah, people like relate.
• 1:11:09
  They relate.
• 1:11:10
  Yeah.
• 1:11:11
  I feel like, I mean, I don't know if, if our commenter is millennial or not, but probably,
• 1:11:15
  but I'm telling you like sports center AM I do want, well, obviously I'm driving the
• 1:11:19
  studio at 4am.
• 1:11:20
  So obviously I'm watching sports center a little bit, catching up on any matches or
• 1:11:23
  games.
• 1:11:24
  I might have missed.
• 1:11:25
  It is genuinely so helpful.
• 1:11:26
  It is extremely helpful.
• 1:11:27
  And also I mean this, the guys that are on and I want, I really apologize because I don't
• 1:11:31
  know their names, but like the guys that are on at 4am, they're kind of this crew that
• 1:11:35
  these two guys, they have a very good rapport with each other.
• 1:11:38
  And then one of them is gone.
• 1:11:39
  They have a rotating crew of different people.
• 1:11:42
  They put in, I have to say, I, it's honestly the best thing ESPN does.
• 1:11:47
  And I don't think there's a close second.
• 1:11:49
  I agree.
• 1:11:50
  And you know what?
• 1:11:51
  I think Chris would agree too.
• 1:11:52
  Like it's really good work.
• 1:11:54
  Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  It's edited.
• 1:11:57
  Well, it's presented.
• 1:11:58
  Well, it's honestly, it feels in a great studio, a beautiful studio.
• 1:12:02
  Like truly I I'm legitimately frustrated when I watch it going like, I just want to watch
• 1:12:08
  this for like the next four hours.
• 1:12:11
  I don't need the rest of the shit.
• 1:12:14
  I agree.
• 1:12:15
  I'm with you.
• 1:12:16
  I don't know how we got there, but I love that for us.
• 1:12:18
  Uh, I guess SportsCenter channel, Max Kellerman, I think might've take, I think he might've
• 1:12:22
  watched our segment.
• 1:12:23
  I'm not kidding in media corner.
• 1:12:26
  Number two.
• 1:12:27
  I honestly think Max Kellerman might've seen our segment because after we were the first
• 1:12:31
  ones and I'm going to say this, we were the first ones to call out the media for being
• 1:12:35
  weird about Wembley after the loss.
• 1:12:38
  And I'm going to say we're the first ones cause quite literally it's my whole job to
• 1:12:40
  pay attention to what people are fucking saying and we were the only ones saying it.
• 1:12:43
  And then Max Kellerman, the sneeze came out of nowhere.
• 1:12:49
  Was that a sneeze?
• 1:12:50
  It was.
• 1:12:51
  Jesus Christ.
• 1:12:52
  But I laughed in the middle of it cause I was like, so Max Kellerman in a conversation
• 1:12:56
  with Rich Paul blamed or accused the NBA media.
• 1:13:00
  It's still funny hearing that out loud.
• 1:13:02
  Really?
• 1:13:03
  I just, I know, but Max, I've been having a conversation with rich, rich Paul and we
• 1:13:07
  fucking report.
• 1:13:08
  I can't, I hate to break it to you, but rich Paul has been like in the media.
• 1:13:11
  I know.
• 1:13:12
  No, I know.
• 1:13:14
  The fact that this is a legitimate media source, it's just fucking source.
• 1:13:17
  They were on a podcast.
• 1:13:18
  No, I know.
• 1:13:19
  They have a podcast together.
• 1:13:20
  It's fucking wild to me.
• 1:13:21
  He's a goddamn agent.
• 1:13:22
  Well, he's rich.
• 1:13:23
  Paul is a, he's a different kind of agent, but man, wild, uh, Max Kellerman accused the
• 1:13:29
  NBA media of building Victor women Yama up just to tear him down as Victor women Yama
• 1:13:34
  damaged his hat, a reputation during the NBA finals, Max Kellerman and Rich Paul are blaming
• 1:13:39
  the media.
• 1:13:41
  Now, I don't think he damaged his reputation, but you and I already had this conversation.
• 1:13:44
  Here's what, uh, here's what Max Kellerman said.
• 1:13:47
  I don't think people are doing it for clickbait with Wendy Kellerman said of the NBAs, uh,
• 1:13:53
  flip on women Yama.
• 1:13:54
  We like to build people up as these perfect heroes.
• 1:13:57
  And then once they are built up as high as they can go, we like to find their flaws to
• 1:14:01
  tear them down and we enjoy both those things.
• 1:14:04
  But ultimately what people really want to see is once they're torn down, can they rise
• 1:14:07
  from the ashes?
• 1:14:09
  That's really what people want to see right now.
• 1:14:11
  People want to tear when be down to see if he can get back up off the deck so they can
• 1:14:15
  really love the guy.
• 1:14:17
  Paul claimed Alan Iverson warned LeBron James that the media was going to eventually try
• 1:14:21
  to their best to tear him down.
• 1:14:22
  And according to Paul, those efforts began in 2010 when James left, left Cleveland for
• 1:14:26
  Miami.
• 1:14:27
  In this case with one B, I guess it's losing in the NBA finals.
• 1:14:30
  Now Rich Paul is always going to make it about LeBron.
• 1:14:33
  That's fine.
• 1:14:34
  I want to leave the LeBron out of that.
• 1:14:35
  The LeBron is something that'll get us on a tangent.
• 1:14:38
  What I do want to address is what Kellerman said, because I actually think he is, I think
• 1:14:44
  first of all, I really respect how Max Kellerman looks at these stories.
• 1:14:48
  For the most part, I think he does a pretty good job.
• 1:14:51
  I believe he is correct in the sense that the media absolutely loves to tear down a
• 1:14:57
  former star, absolutely loves to tear down a former sweetheart.
• 1:15:01
  They set the expectation so high that you could barely meet it.
• 1:15:04
  And then when you don't meet it, they criticize you for it.
• 1:15:08
  That is a fucking moneymaker, right?
• 1:15:10
  Like it is a moneymaker to say, Oh my God, Wemby is the greatest.
• 1:15:15
  He is going to be the greatest talent we've ever seen.
• 1:15:17
  But then he runs up on Jalen Brunson and acts like a little, you know, a little over the
• 1:15:20
  top and then whatever.
• 1:15:22
  And now he's the villain.
• 1:15:24
  I was, I was scrolling, I'm scrolling threads and I come across a thread from my ex boyfriend,
• 1:15:31
  right?
• 1:15:33
  And his, his whole video is talking about how Wemby is dirty and like calmly talking
• 1:15:37
  about like the whole idea, right?
• 1:15:39
  This whole, and I'm like, this is a very knowledgeable sports fan, a normal level-headed sports fan
• 1:15:45
  talking about how Wemby, he is fully, he is fully media-pilled by this entire conversation,
• 1:15:51
  a smart person.
• 1:15:53
  And I was like, Oh no, they got, they got to the good ones.
• 1:15:56
  Like they got even to like the smarter folks watching sports.
• 1:16:00
  And so that's what I think Max Kellerman got right, is that I think the media does
• 1:16:05
  identify this desire in people to feel that, to feel the rise and fall and the rise and
• 1:16:12
  fall repeatedly.
• 1:16:13
  We, you know, what do you, do you see that?
• 1:16:16
  Yes.
• 1:16:17
  But I see it differently.
• 1:16:18
  Okay.
• 1:16:19
  Well, I want your opinion on this because this is actually my theory wholeheartedly.
• 1:16:25
  So media, which media, let's start there.
• 1:16:28
  Which media are you citing specifically?
• 1:16:30
  Because for me, I'm going to go ahead and cite the entire entity of ESPN.
• 1:16:35
  Well, me, yeah.
• 1:16:37
  But I want to specifically cite the entity of ESPN.
• 1:16:40
  And here's why I want to cite them.
• 1:16:42
  Specifically.
• 1:16:43
  I feel like this was a company that really drove this narrative so hard and they were
• 1:16:48
  the loudest about it.
• 1:16:49
  Every single show specifically, Get Up, First Tag.
• 1:16:52
  I don't think they were the loudest about it.
• 1:16:53
  I just think they happen to be the loudest.
• 1:16:55
  Okay.
• 1:16:56
  That's fair.
• 1:16:58
  This was an opportunity to recreate a different story.
• 1:17:03
  Wemby was the story.
• 1:17:04
  In fact, Wemby was so much the story because who was the villain before Wemby was?
• 1:17:08
  It was SGA.
• 1:17:10
  All of a sudden, two-time MVP is now the most villainized motherfucker in the world.
• 1:17:14
  And Wemby is a superhero who's taking down this floppy-
• 1:17:17
  And by the way, before SGA was the villain, he was the hero.
• 1:17:21
  You're proving Kellerman's point, by the way.
• 1:17:22
  Hold on.
• 1:17:23
  I agree.
• 1:17:24
  I'm pointing at a different villain for a different reason on why they chose-
• 1:17:28
  You don't think it's the media?
• 1:17:29
  Oh, no.
• 1:17:30
  The media is the fucking villain here.
• 1:17:31
  That's who Kellerman says is the villain.
• 1:17:32
  I'm agreeing with Kellerman.
• 1:17:34
  I'm seeing a different reason.
• 1:17:35
  I'm not seeing this Rise from the Ashes fucking Phoenix story.
• 1:17:39
  That's bullshit.
• 1:17:40
  So that's what I need you to-
• 1:17:41
  Are you fucking kidding me?
• 1:17:42
  That's what I need you to get to.
• 1:17:43
  They could give a fuck if it's a Rise from the Ashes story.
• 1:17:46
  I think I agree with you on this.
• 1:17:47
  This is about four fucking dipshits who are fake New York Knicks fucking fans so they
• 1:17:54
  can celebrate like they're the fucking hero of the story.
• 1:18:00
  That's what this is actually about.
• 1:18:02
  Has nothing to do with Wemby.
• 1:18:05
  This has all to do with the New York Knicks' decree to create a new narrative and a new
• 1:18:09
  story of this underdog team.
• 1:18:11
  And guess who believed in them all along?
• 1:18:14
  These four fucking specific, very specific ESPN personalities.
• 1:18:21
  One of which, I'm not going to say fucking who, said, I'm not going to take a ring even
• 1:18:25
  if they offer it to me.
• 1:18:26
  You're not on the fucking team, you fucking twat.
• 1:18:30
  Anyways, continue.
• 1:18:32
  No, I think that I'm in between you and Max because I do think-
• 1:18:37
  Because Max is right.
• 1:18:38
  I do think that there's not a huge desire for it.
• 1:18:41
  I saw ESPN make the story about themselves.
• 1:18:44
  I do think that there's not a huge desire for Rise From The Ashes.
• 1:18:48
  I have not seen a lot of Rise From The Ashes desire in my very long sports media career.
• 1:18:55
  Never seen it.
• 1:18:56
  I've never seen people be like, I really hope we get to do this.
• 1:18:58
  They love-
• 1:18:59
  They rooted against LeBron forever.
• 1:19:00
  There's always, in every single medium, the desire to be negative, hateful is always going
• 1:19:07
  to override positive and beautiful.
• 1:19:10
  There will be a backlash to Jalen Brunson.
• 1:19:13
  There will be a backlash to this Knicks title, this beautiful story we've all loved.
• 1:19:17
  We will see it.
• 1:19:18
  There's no two ways around it that is going to happen.
• 1:19:20
  There is no two ways around it.
• 1:19:22
  I disagree with Max on that front, but I do think that there is a very concentrated effort
• 1:19:30
  to build someone up to the point where expectations they basically cannot meet.
• 1:19:37
  LeBron is the perfect example, not necessarily in the way that Rich Paul said, but in the
• 1:19:42
  way that he was on the Sports Illustrated cover when he was 16 years old.
• 1:19:46
  He was drafted when he was 18 years old.
• 1:19:48
  He was in an NBA Finals by the fourth year of his career.
• 1:19:52
  In all of those ways, by the time he had made his first NBA Finals, he had met expectations
• 1:20:00
  and it then exceeded them.
• 1:20:02
  And then some.
• 1:20:03
  Completely.
• 1:20:04
  And instead of us being able to put that into context, what we did is we always cater in
• 1:20:08
  the media to the lowest common denominator.
• 1:20:11
  We always say, what is the stupidest, most base level fan going to say about this scenario?
• 1:20:18
  Because those are the people who are going to validate us the most.
• 1:20:22
  Those are the people we want to cater to because not only will they then pay attention because
• 1:20:26
  they're stupid and they want to be validated, but the people who know better will be triggered
• 1:20:30
  and talk about it.
• 1:20:31
  Like you and I.
• 1:20:32
  It is a fucking masterful calculation on behalf of these people.
• 1:20:38
  And that's what they do.
• 1:20:39
  I agree.
• 1:20:40
  The wheel turns.
• 1:20:41
  Nothing changes.
• 1:20:42
  I just, by the way, I agree.
• 1:20:44
  I want to make this one clear.
• 1:20:45
  I agree with Max Hillman.
• 1:20:47
  Max Hillman's right.
• 1:20:48
  I just think the reason we're masculine guys, oh, I'm a Max Hillman fan.
• 1:20:51
  I love Max's work, but I want to make this abundantly clear.
• 1:20:53
  My theory is that Max is right, but for the wrong reason, I don't think it's for that
• 1:20:59
  narrative that he's talking about, to tear someone down, to peel them back up.
• 1:21:03
  No, I don't think that at all.
• 1:21:04
  I see it as an opportunity for certain people to make themselves the story, and that's what
• 1:21:11
  we're actually dealing with.
• 1:21:13
  And now those same people, as you just mentioned, are now going to make themselves a story in
• 1:21:18
  a different way because now the Knicks get ready for it.
• 1:21:21
  Just fucking get ready for it in the next three months.
• 1:21:24
  I'm going to say it's even sooner than that, but I'm going to give them three months.
• 1:21:27
  The Knicks will be the most hated team in the NBA somehow.
• 1:21:31
  I haven't just figured out how it's going to be, whether it's going to be Jimmy Dolan
• 1:21:34
  doing it himself, whether it's going to be those same pundits after players are traded
• 1:21:38
  away or whatever happens, because they already announced Jimmy Dolan right away on the most
• 1:21:43
  feel good day ever, that they're not going to the second tier.
• 1:21:46
  So they're not going to be able to retain this exact fucking team, fucking way to shit
• 1:21:49
  on your fucking fans on a really great day.
• 1:21:53
  I can't stress this enough.
• 1:21:55
  The Knicks will become the biggest villains in sports, according to certain pundits in
• 1:22:01
  the next three months.
• 1:22:03
  Fucking wait for it.
• 1:22:05
  And then you can come to me and say you were right again.
• 1:22:08
  And I'm not falling for it.
• 1:22:10
  I am going.
• 1:22:11
  I am now locked in on defending Josh Hart and Jalen runs till the day I die, apparently
• 1:22:15
  just wait for it.
• 1:22:16
  I'm just I'm only saying this is going to happen because it's it's the most lazy fucking
• 1:22:21
  playbook ever.
• 1:22:23
  And I hope people can just fucking read the playbook beforehand.
• 1:22:27
  Like watch Stephen A won't get a ring and he'll fucking make a fucking hour segment
• 1:22:31
  out of it.
• 1:22:33
  This is like we're in the craziest, stupidest times I've ever dealt with.
• 1:22:37
  This industry is fucking embarrassing.
• 1:22:40
  We know before we go, we're going to we're going to go to a hill we're dying on.
• 1:22:45
  I think we're dying on the same hill, Cody.
• 1:22:47
  You and I are dying on the same hill because we had a segment in our last show where we
• 1:22:52
  talked about how much we loved how the English chant and like do their songs and how they
• 1:23:00
  they always seem to pull together a beautiful chant, something relevant to the game, sometimes
• 1:23:06
  deeply inappropriate.
• 1:23:07
  There were some things in our comment section that I was very uncomfortable with.
• 1:23:09
  But overall, we were talking about how much we loved the fact that they could do that.
• 1:23:14
  It was just like blowing our minds.
• 1:23:15
  We were being American sarcastic, like, can you believe these people can come up with
• 1:23:18
  this?
• 1:23:19
  Now, I have discussed a lot of soccer slash association football slash football all over
• 1:23:25
  the Internet because I have played and talked about the sport since I was 10 years old.
• 1:23:32
  And there is one sector of humorless, psychotic losers that will not leave me alone or it
• 1:23:41
  turns out us and that is English football fans.
• 1:23:45
  They are fucking horrible.
• 1:23:47
  So on this video that we put online, which, by the way, thank you guys for the engagement.
• 1:23:51
  We are absolutely blowing up.
• 1:23:52
  We love you for being such fucking pretentious douchebags because the views have been insane
• 1:23:57
  on every platform.
• 1:23:59
  Thank you.
• 1:24:00
  They rather than come in and say, oh, my God, we love these people.
• 1:24:04
  They're totally engaging with us in good faith.
• 1:24:06
  They saw bad faith because that's all they do is engage in bad faith.
• 1:24:09
  And they came in to scold us on how we say Premier League to tell us that it's football,
• 1:24:15
  not soccer.
• 1:24:16
  Hey, Cody, do you know why we call it soccer?
• 1:24:18
  Any fucking idea why we call the sport of association football soccer?
• 1:24:22
  Because the English started calling it soccer.
• 1:24:25
  Their douchey little rugby bro fucking high society motherfuckers started calling it soccer
• 1:24:32
  and they called it soccer for a very long time.
• 1:24:35
  For the record, I did know that we did not know that.
• 1:24:37
  And do you want to know why they stopped doing it?
• 1:24:39
  Because they didn't like that we adopted it and they felt like it was classist.
• 1:24:43
  So, oh, not our fucking problem.
• 1:24:45
  You gave us the phrase.
• 1:24:47
  Also, have you ever heard them say the last name Martinez, Rodriguez or Jimenez?
• 1:24:53
  Not once.
• 1:24:54
  No, you haven't.
• 1:24:55
  Because you know what they say?
• 1:24:56
  Martinez, Rodriguez, Jimenez.
• 1:25:00
  These motherfuckers can't they cannot pronounce a Latin American last name to save their lives.
• 1:25:05
  If you fucking paid them, they couldn't.
• 1:25:07
  You want to know how I know?
• 1:25:08
  Because one of them came in and said, you guys don't even know how to pronounce the
• 1:25:11
  name Carlos.
• 1:25:13
  It's Carlos.
• 1:25:15
  It's not fucking Carlos.
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  I live in a city named after the fucking Spanish language.
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  It is Carlos.
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  Carlos, you fucking losers.
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  Shut the fuck up.
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  Oh my God.
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  I've never experienced.
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  The Scottish don't do this.
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  The Irish don't do this.
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  The South Africans, the Australians don't do this.
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  Nobody in the world does this.
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  They might be mad that we call it soccer.
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  They might hate that we're Americans, but at the end of the day, they shut their fucking
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  mouths and enjoy the goddamn game.
• 1:25:45
  You absolute fucking colonizer pricks.
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  You took over the whole world, murdered everybody, everybody who got out from under your thumb.
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  You kept some shit from them in a goddamn museum that you won't give back.
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  You racist motherfuckers won't take care of your Indian English people, your black English
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  people.
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  You are fucking just as racist as any white MAGA person in this country and you are in
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  our comment section thinking we don't know that.
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  You fucking started this shit.
• 1:26:15
  Every single piece of shit white MAGA person has come from your bloodline.
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  Get the fuck out of my comment section.
• 1:26:22
  Hey Mocha, remember earlier when she all got like worried about the shit I was saying?
• 1:26:30
  Ditto.
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  We're even.
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  I agree with her, but I'm not going to say it.
• 1:26:39
  Oh, this was fun.
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  I felt like this was a very dramatic.
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  This was a very needed Friday.
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  Yeah, we were not.
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  We were not well coming in.
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  We're not well coming out.
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  But at the end, I'm not going to lie to you.
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  I'm pissed about where everything is, you know, except for the World Cup.
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  Don't lie.
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  And this is where we're at, bro.
• 1:27:01
  We got to deal with absurd, stupid homophobia.
• 1:27:05
  We get to deal with gatekeeping, racist British people.
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  We've gotten to deal with just about everything that is really great about our sports world
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  and our media system, which, by the way, I didn't say this earlier that I wanted to,
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  but it actually kind of got brought up later with the Max Kellerman thing.
• 1:27:21
  We were talking about Alexi Wallace, right?
• 1:27:23
  Yeah.
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  So the whole thing about Alexi Wallace, about how negative it is, how miserable he is.
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  Like he is like if there's one thing that Alexi Wallace has kind of shown, and I mean
• 1:27:32
  this in a good way, not that Lexi meant to do this.
• 1:27:35
  I mean this in a good way.
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  Alexi Wallace, in my opinion, has really shown what American sports journalism is compared
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  to what other people do.
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  Because him at a stage with two other truly spectacular athletes who see things with a
• 1:27:49
  perspective of reality on the field and the pitch and the course and the court, whatever
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  it is that you play on, and you have one guy trying to sensationalize and say bullshit
• 1:28:01
  and the other two going like, that's fucking nonsense, here's the truth, is really eye-opening
• 1:28:08
  to me in a different way, eye-opening to me that we really are bad at this and we are
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  so in the headlines, nonsensical bullshit in sports that I feel like this is exposing
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  us and I'm hoping more Americans are seeing it.
• 1:28:26
  Why do I'm liking Zlatan and Henry on that stage with him?
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  Because it's exposing basically American sports journalism in fucking real time.
• 1:28:38
  It's exposing American sports analyst culture, but more than even journalism.
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  And analyst culture is broken, and you're right, it absolutely is.
• 1:28:49
  There are beautiful, wonderful analysts in this country that are doing incredible work
• 1:28:53
  and they are being overlooked or they're being put on the B desk or the C desk in
• 1:28:58
  favor of these types of people.
• 1:29:00
  And the reality is they brought in Thierry Henry for a very specific reason.
• 1:29:03
  They brought in Thierry Henry because they needed an expert, a level of player that could
• 1:29:11
  believably critique a player like Ronaldo or Messi.
• 1:29:14
  You can't just put Alexi Lalas on a desk and let him critique Cristiano Ronaldo.
• 1:29:18
  It's not going to fucking work, right?
• 1:29:20
  But if Cristiano Ronaldo were a great actual analyst, he would be a beautiful sort of side
• 1:29:29
  piece and an addition to what somebody like Thierry Henry brings.
• 1:29:34
  Thierry Henry is able to say, hey, this is where I saw the flaws in Cristiano Ronaldo's
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  game.
• 1:29:40
  He can introduce the topic credibly and then somebody like Alexi Lalas is supposed to be
• 1:29:44
  able to pull that.
• 1:29:46
  But he can't do it, cannot do it on his own because he does not have the cred.
• 1:29:49
  That's how it's supposed to work.
• 1:29:50
  Instead, Alexi Lalas believes that he should be able to play the Thierry Henry role.
• 1:29:56
  And that's where he makes his biggest mistake.
• 1:29:57
  I'm trying to give the example and I'll use myself.
• 1:30:00
  Like I was played in Major League Baseball, right?
• 1:30:02
  You put me on a panel.
• 1:30:03
  You could put me on a panel with Jeter and A-Rod and Big Papi, but you know what I'm
• 1:30:08
  going to do because of who I am and who they are.
• 1:30:11
  I'm going to defer to them and I'm going to let them say their piece.
• 1:30:15
  And then I'm going to bolster probably their piece or disagree with them and turn into
• 1:30:18
  a conversation rather than go sensationalize while these guys are staring at me.
• 1:30:23
  That's exactly right.
• 1:30:24
  So you wouldn't even necessarily have to agree with them, but you could never like if you're
• 1:30:28
  let's say you're on a panel with A-Rod and Papi, just leave Jeter out of it because I
• 1:30:32
  hope that you're there instead of Jeter in this, in my beautiful scenario, you know,
• 1:30:35
  I hate Derek Jeter.
• 1:30:36
  So in my mind, you're there bald for bald, right?
• 1:30:42
  We're going bald for bald.
• 1:30:43
  That's fair.
• 1:30:44
  Jeter got sick.
• 1:30:45
  They fit me in because they needed somebody.
• 1:30:47
  In my fever dream scenario, you're there instead of Jeter.
• 1:30:50
  And the reason that A-Rod and Papi exist is so that they can come in and critique what
• 1:30:57
  Scooble or Shohei just did, because you fucking can't, right?
• 1:31:02
  I know you can't, but what you can do, because like you're going to get the people who were
• 1:31:06
  like, what do you know, Cody?
• 1:31:07
  You were never that good.
• 1:31:09
  That's just what's going to happen.
• 1:31:10
  But you're the perfect person to be there to say, you know, whatever it is.
• 1:31:17
  You can say whatever you want, as long as you're not the person who introduced the critique.
• 1:31:21
  Agreed.
• 1:31:22
  That's just reality.
• 1:31:23
  Right.
• 1:31:24
  Right.
• 1:31:25
  Like the show Shorzy does a great job of that, actually, in the fourth season.
• 1:31:28
  He's in there.
• 1:31:29
  Shorzy's doing a talk show, and he's with Dougie Gilmore.
• 1:31:32
  And there's like, Shorzy, what do you think?
• 1:31:34
  You should go to Dougie Gilmore.
• 1:31:35
  It's like, well, we're asking you.
• 1:31:39
  Pocky fans would like to hear from Dougie Gilmore.
• 1:31:42
  Like that's just a fact.
• 1:31:44
  Like I know.
• 1:31:45
  The baseball fans want to hear from A-Rod and Poppy.
• 1:31:47
  They want to hear from A-Rod and Poppy, and then you can get me afterwards, and I will
• 1:31:51
  try to add either context, or I will try to improve upon their points, or disagree and
• 1:31:56
  start a conversation.
• 1:31:57
  Plus, by the way, being a less talented, less successful player can also provide genuinely
• 1:32:03
  good insight, because you know what it's like to go up against someone whose talent is extraordinary
• 1:32:08
  beyond your-
• 1:32:09
  Agreed.
• 1:32:10
  David Ortiz doesn't know that as much.
• 1:32:11
  A-Rod doesn't know that as much.
• 1:32:12
  It actually, and I'm not saying that condescendingly, I genuinely mean there is a reason that all
• 1:32:17
  levels of professional player are valuable in a sports analyst's world.
• 1:32:21
  And honestly, Alexi Lawless could be way more valuable if he would just understand who he
• 1:32:26
  is.
• 1:32:27
  And if he would just stop doing whatever it is to make his skin that color.
• 1:32:30
  By the way, if you were wondering if you think he's just bad at analyzing soccer and life
• 1:32:33
  in general, he's also a terrible singer.
• 1:32:36
  I've heard.
• 1:32:37
  You did.
• 1:32:38
  Was it you that brought that up to me?
• 1:32:39
  Uh, no, but I'm going to play your song.
• 1:32:40
  Wait, someone, oh no, my other friend, my other friend was like, oh, and his music sucks.
• 1:32:44
  And I was, he's a musician.
• 1:32:45
  My other friend is like a professional musician.
• 1:32:48
  And he was like, and his music.
• 1:32:49
  Do not play it.
• 1:32:50
  Why are you going to put me through that right now?
• 1:32:52
  Absolutely not.
• 1:32:53
  Because everyone should listen to-
• 1:32:54
  No.
• 1:32:55
  No.
• 1:32:56
  No.
• 1:32:57
  He released a song in 1993 called Kicking Balls.
• 1:32:58
  I'm not listening to that right now.
• 1:32:59
  Cody.
• 1:33:00
  Can I please play it?
• 1:33:01
  Cody, please.
• 1:33:02
  Mocha, can I play it?
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  Oh my God.
• 1:33:04
  Mocha!
• 1:33:05
  Go ahead.
• 1:33:06
  I can't believe this is happening.
• 1:33:08
  We don't have time to get to the fucking Red Sox.
• 1:33:09
  We don't have time to get to the Red Sox.
• 1:33:11
  We don't even get, by the way, people we hate, people with horrible, uh, coloring, Curt Schilling.
• 1:33:16
  How do you feel about Curt Schilling, Cody?
• 1:33:19
  Fuck Curt Schilling.
• 1:33:21
  Fuck Curt Schilling.
• 1:33:22
  Fuck Curt Schilling.
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  Oh my God.
• 1:33:24
  See you next time.
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• 1:33:26
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• 1:33:29
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