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1004 - Pop and Bravo with Tess and Brooke (Psych Legal Pop) · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Mary Payne here.
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  Speaker 1: It's Thursday, so it's Pop and Bravo. Thursday. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about pop culture. We're going to talk about Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: And I've got two people here. It's Tests and Brook,
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  Speaker 1: their sisters from psych Legal Pop and they've got expertise.
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  Speaker 1: One's got psychiatric expertise, which we really need, and one's
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  Speaker 1: got legal expertise, which we also really need. What a
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  Speaker 1: great concept, Hi girls.
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  Speaker 2: Hio having us?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, wow, Well you guys, We've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: to talk about. And when I first want to ask you,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, what days does your podcast come out on?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we are we do change it up a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but Mondays, so the free is Mondays and Thursday, so
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  Speaker 2: we're covering and just like that. Are you watching it?
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  Speaker 2: Just like that?
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  Speaker 1: No, but so many people are hate watching it and
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  Speaker 1: doing reviews of it that I feel like I know everything.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, probably you don't need to watch the show now,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, we're hate watching and talking about it and
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  Speaker 2: just like that. And then on Thursdays we do various documentaries.
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  Speaker 2: The show that will come out today as this is
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  Speaker 2: up is all about Ozzy Osbourne and and the Osbourne's
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  Speaker 2: and how that was the first foray into reality TV
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  Speaker 2: and how you know it shifted his career and so
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, so we covered true crime and lots of
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  Speaker 2: different other things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good, Okay, so you're you touch on Bravo. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not like that's not your main focus.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, because a part of it was. I was
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  Speaker 2: a hardcore Bravo Housewives person until I will say, like
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty happened and I was just and being a therapist.
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  Speaker 2: I was in session after session after session. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it was very intense, and I just couldn't handle it.
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  Speaker 2: I just couldn't. I could not. I just couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: And then since that time, I've kind of dipped in
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  Speaker 2: and out. But yeah, we we've never been able to
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  Speaker 2: pick up Bravo show that we both want to watch
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  Speaker 2: and want to watch consistently. So I just do those
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  Speaker 2: other things on my own.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but Brooke, you said you are you tried?
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  Speaker 1: You tried with the Valley you tried?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I watched last season, the first this is
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  Speaker 3: the second season. Yeah, right, okay, so I watched it
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  Speaker 3: the first season got sucked in and then when the
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  Speaker 3: second season started, you know, I was just too busy
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  Speaker 3: at the time to add something else to my plate.
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  Speaker 3: But I just watched the finale today and caught up
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  Speaker 3: on what's happening with the characters and whatnot. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I we, I mean, I started watching Orange County
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  Speaker 3: like season one, episode one, and that remains my favorite franchise,
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  Speaker 3: and I've watched I'm watching it now. I'm caught up
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  Speaker 3: on this season and it's just hard to see, Like
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  Speaker 3: I think Housewives has really changed, Yeah, not for the better,
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's as they they're they're more savvy, right,
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  Speaker 1: so when they come on, they know immediately we've got
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  Speaker 1: to we've got to bring it. We gotta we gotta
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  Speaker 1: uh have something to sell, we gotta gotta we've gotta
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  Speaker 1: get a divorce, We've got to have a kid with
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  Speaker 1: an issue, you know. So we'll get into all that,
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  Speaker 1: but first I want to talk about some pop culture
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  Speaker 1: topics that are top of mind right now. My main
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  Speaker 1: concern and my phone is ringing. I'm so sorry. Does
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  Speaker 1: she love your phone rings? And you're like, I have
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  Speaker 1: put it on airplane mode and do not disturb. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how that's happening. Okay, there it
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  Speaker 1: goes double airplane mode. Okay, Kelly Wolf on Instagram. So
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  Speaker 1: I've been following it really closely, and I guess I
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  Speaker 1: was following her before, just like I just was, and
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it started popping up and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, this is is interesting. So if
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  Speaker 1: you guys aren't following Kelly Wolf because so, Kelly was
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  Speaker 1: on Real World New Orleans one of the probably one
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  Speaker 1: of the first five or six seasons that we saw,
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  Speaker 1: if you know there from the beginning, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: old school, and she was great. And she later married
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  Speaker 1: Scott Wolfe and she became a therapist, psychiatrist unclear and uh,
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  Speaker 1: they had three kids and they're successful, live in Park
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  Speaker 1: City whatnot. But something happened where they announced their divorce
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  Speaker 1: and she has gone so off the rails and she
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  Speaker 1: talks in circles and she says, I have six companies,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a millionaire, I have six dollars to my name.
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  Speaker 1: I'm buying a property tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: And then she says, I'm not allowed to see my children,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get cops to meet me at the
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  Speaker 1: house to break into my house and then like her
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  Speaker 1: son comments, what are you doing? Please stop? Mom, like
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  Speaker 1: it's horrible, it's horrible. And she obviously has been put
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  Speaker 1: on a psychiatric holl twice, once by her family, first
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  Speaker 1: one by her husband, I believe in the second and
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  Speaker 1: buy her family. And she's like, they keep they keep
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  Speaker 1: putting me on the psychiatric holds and I keep getting out.
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  Speaker 1: And because she's a person with free will and doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to stay, she says she lives in her car.
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  Speaker 1: And then she has a boyfriend that's a millionaire. She says,
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  Speaker 1: she you know, is VIP status at a certain hotel,
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  Speaker 1: but they'll no longer allow her to stay there. Everything
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  Speaker 1: is like this and then that this and than that,
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  Speaker 1: and nothing makes sense, and it goes in a circle.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a lot of pictures of her bag that
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  Speaker 1: says fuck off or whatever. And but what I think
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  Speaker 1: kicked it off, and tests if you've been following it
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  Speaker 1: like I have, you can tell me. But I think
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  Speaker 1: kicked it off was maybe a month or two months
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  Speaker 1: ago she had said she was getting divorced. She was
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  Speaker 1: kind of posting some stuff that was kind of weird,
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  Speaker 1: and she had her daughter in her car, which is definite,
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  Speaker 1: definitely a miner. She has three minor children, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: and had her daughter in the car who was hiding
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  Speaker 1: in the back seat, and she was like, we're so
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  Speaker 1: excited because we're going camping. Oh my gosh, we're so excited.
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  Speaker 1: She shows the front of the car, looks like they're
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  Speaker 1: going way out into the woods. And again they're in
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  Speaker 1: Utah and the daughter's hiding. And then after that it
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  Speaker 1: was like, no, she can't. It's an emergency order. She
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  Speaker 1: can't see your kids anymore. Because so I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what really kicked off this. You can't see your kids anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You're putting them in harm. You're not right. But is
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  Speaker 1: something like this she has been on medication for twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years and now she's not or what, in your opinion,
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  Speaker 1: is just somebody observing like we all are. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think is happening?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and I've I know the broad strokes of
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  Speaker 2: this story, but I think I would start to read
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  Speaker 2: some of these rants and I'm like, oh, no, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't. Yeah, So to me, it seems like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the rants and all of that, again, this is just
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  Speaker 2: my opinion. It sounds like she's an unmedicated bipolar. So
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  Speaker 2: she is going that is very very common, you know,
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  Speaker 2: bipolar is and it's not what people think because people
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  Speaker 2: throw this out all the time, like I'm bipolar. It's
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  Speaker 2: like no, you know, it's periods of depression followed by
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  Speaker 2: periods of just hyper animated. And you end up during
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  Speaker 2: those times, these hyper times, spending money that you don't have,
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  Speaker 2: making claims, you know, doing dangerous things. You know, all
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  Speaker 2: the things that she is talking about, every last one
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  Speaker 2: of them is like, oh yeah, that is classic bipolar. Right,
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  Speaker 2: You're you're in that manick state and this is kind
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  Speaker 2: of how you operate. So it and I've seen this
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's really tough to watch. And usually the
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  Speaker 2: people that I work with, they aren't the bipolar. They're
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  Speaker 2: the family member of the bipolar. Like I had a
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  Speaker 2: client for a long time whose mother was BIP. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was just went on and on, and what would
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  Speaker 2: happen is is that she would her mom would get
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  Speaker 2: into treatment, her mom would start taking the medication, everything
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  Speaker 2: would even out, and then something would happen.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Usually my guest would be is somewhere like Kelly decided
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  Speaker 2: she's not going to take these meds anymore. And of all,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when it comes there are certain things like
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  Speaker 2: depression and anxiety that you can choose to take meds
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  Speaker 2: or not, but piepolar, you have to take these meds,
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  Speaker 2: like there is no way for you on your own
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  Speaker 2: to regulate this. And so yeah, they and then they
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  Speaker 2: like the mannic stages. A lot of them like it.
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  Speaker 2: They don't like the depressed stages, but they like the
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  Speaker 2: manic stages because those are a lot of fun. And
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  Speaker 2: then the depressed and comes when you've seen everything that
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  Speaker 2: you've you know, every everything, you start to come down
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  Speaker 2: and then hard Yeah. Yeah, So that's what it feels
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  Speaker 2: like to me. And it sounds like Scott's just trying
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  Speaker 2: to as best he can figure out how do I
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  Speaker 2: keep this, how do I how do I separate all
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  Speaker 2: this and not have her do this in front of
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  Speaker 2: the world, But it sounds like that's what she's doing.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting. She's she's calling on Billy Bush, who's Scott's
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  Speaker 1: best friend. She's like, you know, Nona, and he's like
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  Speaker 1: he he kind of made a statement I think on
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  Speaker 1: his podcast or something was like I know that she
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  Speaker 1: has said my name many times. Scott is one of
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  Speaker 1: my best friends. I'm not commenting she could try to
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  Speaker 1: bait me. I'm not saying anything. She called on Brad Pitt.
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  Speaker 1: She'd be a good person to date, she says. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just all this stuff. And it's interesting you say
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  Speaker 1: that because I do have a friend whose brother is bipolar,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a lot of like severe anger at the
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  Speaker 1: government and doctors and stuff. Because many years ago he
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  Speaker 1: fell and had to claim and then after I think
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  Speaker 1: twenty years, they're like, you, we're not going to pay
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  Speaker 1: you out anymore. Whatever the metal. So he felt everybody
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  Speaker 1: was against him and all that, so he stopped taking
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  Speaker 1: his meds and then TVs would show up at their
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  Speaker 1: house and stuff and they're like, we don't need a TV,
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  Speaker 1: like what? And he just sort of what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: She's like buying a lot of things, and probably the
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  Speaker 1: depression is like, oh my god, like my disability is
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  Speaker 1: run out. They won't pay it anymore. So I'm depressed.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna not take my meds and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go nuts and buy people televisions and I don't have
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  Speaker 1: the money, and it's very it's it's very interesting that
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  Speaker 1: you're saying that, because I also have somebody in my
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  Speaker 1: family and that's the same thing. It was like days
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  Speaker 1: of like work, work, work, work, work, work, and then
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  Speaker 1: like days of being in the bed. Right, So it's
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  Speaker 1: the up and the down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone's there's rapid cycling, right, two days here,
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  Speaker 2: two days there, But most of the time there the
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  Speaker 2: depression periods always last longer than the highs, and everybody's
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  Speaker 2: highs last for different periods of time. But yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it's that's the thing. It's hard to know, like is
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  Speaker 2: there some other you know, some kind of schizophrenia and
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  Speaker 2: all of this, But what to me, it feels like,
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  Speaker 2: because this is all happening now, to me, it feels
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  Speaker 2: like it's got to be some sort of medication change.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be some what what changed all of this?
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  Speaker 2: You've been bopping along and everything's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so, you know, it's I own six companies
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  Speaker 1: and yesterday I had to let go of thirty employees
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  Speaker 1: and my family. All we do is preserve lands. I'm
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  Speaker 1: buying a piece of property later today, and the hotel
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  Speaker 1: kicked me out, so I've got this great house I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna rent and then the next sentence, I have six
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  Speaker 1: dollars to my name because I've been shut out of
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  Speaker 1: all my family accounts. We're like, well then, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, why am I trying to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of it? I'm actually some of it. I'm just watching
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  Speaker 1: to like be sure she's okay. And it'll be thousands
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  Speaker 1: of people watched it and maybe a couple of hundred
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  Speaker 1: like liked it, and then it'll be no comments. Now
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  Speaker 1: before there was lots of comments. We're like, ooh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you get your husband. He's a bad guy. And now
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  Speaker 1: I think people are seeing it days and days and
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  Speaker 1: days and only like her son comment yesterday and said, mom,
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  Speaker 1: this is insane. What are you doing? And the kid's
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  Speaker 1: like fiftee. Like that kid's like fifteen that commented because
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  Speaker 1: of course I clicked on him and clicked through and
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  Speaker 1: found a picture of Scott Wolfe on you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the typical teenage boys stuff, and then I found a
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  Speaker 1: picture of like Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving which was just November,
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  Speaker 1: and Scott wolf is in the picture and she's in
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  Speaker 1: the picture. So something happened after that. Yeah, it's poor kids,
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  Speaker 1: It's really upsetting and so, and she's drinking a lot.
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  Speaker 1: You see that, a lot of drinking, and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: is that helping?
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  Speaker 2: Probably no, But there's also during that time there's there's drinking,
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  Speaker 2: there's excessive drug use. There's sexual behavior that you know that, right.
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  Speaker 2: You hear about people like sleeping with people are flirting
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  Speaker 2: with someone's husband, right, really, and these things are so
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  Speaker 2: they're so destructive. They're so destructive, you know. And it's
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  Speaker 2: different than someone who has a parent that's depressed or
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  Speaker 2: something else like this is you know, they're depressed, but
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  Speaker 2: they also then have these periods of destruction. Then usually
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  Speaker 2: it's the family members that have to clean up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have I know somebody in my life
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  Speaker 1: who did similar things. And now I'm thinking, oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: what that was. It's interesting, well, I mean it's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: but it's had. But it's also like I keep watching it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I hope she gets in her house and
• 12:45
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• 14:00
  Speaker 1: The Ozzy Osborne thing is interesting. Now you guys are
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: going to be talking about that. It's just sort of
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: in the culturals, like guys of how I mean speaking
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: of mental health issues an addiction, right, Yes, yeah, are
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: you going to be talking about it in the aspect
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  Speaker 1: of that, Yeah, we.
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  Speaker 2: Do talk some about that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's been very open and honest about his addictions.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, he did an interview with the BBC
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  Speaker 3: where he admitted that the entire time they were filming
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: The Osborne's he was just stoned all the time, which
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: I think we could all see tell. But at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, what endeared everyone to him is or to us,
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: him to us, is that he had these moments where
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: he'd be like a really nice dad, a caring dad,
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  Speaker 3: and saying nice things to his children. He clearly loves
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: his children, and you know, just him just being you know,
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  Speaker 3: can't operate the remote.
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  Speaker 1: Or you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, he's relatable in many many ways, and
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  Speaker 3: so we talk about that, we talk about his music,
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: you know, myself. We did it with Tessa's husband Steve,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: who is a huge Black Sabbath fan and enjoys enjoys
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: that kind of music.
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  Speaker 2: And I like that kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Music too, so you know, we we liked the music,
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  Speaker 3: and we just we reminisced about just you know, memories
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  Speaker 3: we have about him and growing up, and we talked
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  Speaker 3: about his life.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about it all.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: We talk yeah, everything.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: How old was Zazie?
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: It is late seventies, seventy six, seventy six.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: You see, and you see people like that and the
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: life that they lived, and you think, wow, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Seventy six. I mean, you know, I mean seventy six is,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, a little bit on the younger side
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: passing away. But my god, what a life. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Well yeah, his family, you know, I just they're a
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: very loving family, you know, and it's very powerful. And
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  Speaker 3: I saw a lot of videos with him and his grandchildren,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think he had like three or four, yeah, grandchildren,
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  Speaker 3: and he's just you know, like playing with the kids
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  Speaker 3: and the kids are laughing and you know, it's just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the end, just a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I think he was kind of a serial cheater.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't Yes, yeah, that was that was again, Like
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: you're talking about the drug used, like he didn't even
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: remember like he'd wake up in the next day and
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: didn't even remember he'd slept with this woman, like someone
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: had to tell him, you know, so it I mean,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not excusing that, but it's just like it wasn't
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: like he was doing it intentionally. And I think that's
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: why Sharon always had kind of a blase attitude about it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: She didn't like it, but it's like she didn't take
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: it as personally as if he'd gone out and sought
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: someone out.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, right right with them. How old is Sharon?
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Do we know? She's younger? Only three younger?
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just saw the funeral was today
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and him England, and I mean I know she got
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: on the yo zembic, but what is going on?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's just like super thin.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: She looks really it's more than thin. It's like her
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: face is really gaunt. It doesn't look normal. I don't know.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Something that's interesting.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. I mean, was he sick and then
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: he died or was it like a sudden Because if
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: he was sick then he died, she'd probably just sort
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of let go taking care of herself because you know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: she's very into plastic surgery and keeping up. So if
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: she if he had been sick for a long time,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: maybe she'd been caregiving for him and not cared and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: now maybe she'll fix it. I don't know, or maybe
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: maybe she's sick too. I don't know.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that, you know, he was diagnosed with Parkinson's,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: so I don't know how much hands on she had
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to take care of him.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I think he had that farewell concert, which if you've
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: seen it, it's it's hard to watch. I mean, he's
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: clearly struggling, and apparently he had to stop taking some
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: of his Parkinson's medications and some other things just to
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: be able to perform and perform like these three songs.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know if this was
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: sudden for them, or or if this was sort of
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: like they knew this was coming. I have no idea,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: but it's it's just shocking to see her because she
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: just doesn't look like herself. It's just it's that part
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: of it. But yeah, we also talked about what I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: think is so interesting that Ozzy Osbourne is that just
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: how he's been able to have such a huge career
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: because he was introduced to a whole new generation with
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the TV show, right, because we're all we're all these
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: gen xers that kind of remember him from MTV and
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: all of that time. Yeah, but so many people know
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: who he is because of the show, and I think
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: it's such a it was. It was pretty gutsy because
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: they were the first family, celebrity, wealthy family to let
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: cameras come in and follow them around. And now this formula, right,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it would be Kardashians. Would there be I don't know
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: what other families there are besides the Kardashians that have
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: made so much money from this, but yeah, would any
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: of us exist if it wasn't for the Osborns.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, It's interesting.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I mean again, I don't think he was like the
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: greatest husband, but you do see that soft side of him.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And I remember when that show came out, and because
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I was such a fan of the Real World, you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the original Real World and all that, I was like,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: somehow in me, I'm like, one day I would be
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: able to love, to be able to write articles about
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: this genre of television. Look at me now, one hundred
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: years later. Who knew a job would create itself? So
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: what do y'all watch besides Bravo, tell me what you're.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Watching, Brooke, Well, we watch you know, I don't watch
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of TV or TV series. I watch a
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: lot of documentaries. That's kind of the main thing I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: like to watch. And yeah, you know I have I
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: have my favorite series, you know, like I I will
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: always watch In just like that, even though everyone's bagging
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: on it, and of course it's not as good as
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Sex and the City, but I will never stop watching that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know I have my favorites. But you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: we watch. I have to watch a lot of stuff
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: for the podcast. A lot of times I just don't
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: have I just don't have the time or the bandwidth
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: to get into these.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Long series on television.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: And if you don't get in from the beginning, it's
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: like I don't have eight hours to catch up on
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the catch up.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I know, I know. You know I did that with
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Miami because Miami, Marisol and Alexia were on Real Housewife,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Ultimate Girls Trip a couple of seasons back, and I'd
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: never watched Miami. I knew I should, I just didn't
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: have time and I couldn't take on another show, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it was too late for me. And then it had
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: come back, and I was like, shoot, and so I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: thought I'd escaped with never having watch it. And so
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I saw them on an Ultimate Girls Shop and I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: was like, all right, now I got to go watch
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Miami because I love Mary Saul and Alexia. So I did.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I went back and watched the whole first four seasons
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: before they cut it off. I went like all the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: way back like Leah Black. I went all the way
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: back to Leah Black. But it's like you're saying, it's like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: all right, I got to commit to it. And like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: my husband and I, I know, we never watched anything together,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and because I watched so much for work, my little
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: my little time, Like right now I'm two behind on
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the Gilded Age and I'm panicked, but we're watching The
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Bear together. We watched all the seasons and so we
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: had two episodes left. And it's what you're saying, it's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like I don't have time to give him an hour
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: and ten minutes to watch two episodes of The Bear
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: the finale, Like I don't have that in me of like, well,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I guess, I was like, I guess I just won't
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: know what happened because because I watch consume so much
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: for work that when you want, like you're saying Brook, like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: when you want to have time to just watch something,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you it's almost overwhelming to think something like The Bear,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: which is such amazing, or Yellow Jackets, You're like, do
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I have fourteen hours to do this?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: You know, you know it's hard because I did watch
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the whole first season of Yellow Jackets and I loved it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And then again the timing was bad. The second season
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: comes back and I didn't I don't know too many
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: episodes went by.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't have the time.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Although you reminded me those girls Trip, the Housewives girls,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I have made time to see. I think all every
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: episode of all of those they're good because they are
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: so good. I mean the last one with the New
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: York we covered that one.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so good. Those six episodes where it
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: ends with Luanne banging them the chef.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: You're like, I mean it probably it probably started it
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: probably started with that and ended with that. That's your yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And then we of course we have the lost season
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a Morocco that we're never going to see because of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the lawsuits involved involved there. And now you know Brandy
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Glamville was on that trip and speaking of like face
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: falling off your face.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's she has.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Said it is from some sort of parasite or something
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: she's got. Yeah. But and now Vicky Gumfelson has said
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: she got it too.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I heard her talking about that, and I'm just like
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: that I haven't seen this, but I've seen Brandy's face
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: looking weird. But like someone was saying that you can
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: see the parasite like moving on her face, like it's
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: in her face.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I've heard that as well. But because like when we
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: talk about stuff like this, I start to get, you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: know it, just I get very I get a little queasy,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and so I can't quite bring myself to sort of
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: look at something like that. Like nothing gets me more
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: upset if I'm just like I click something in a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: scroll and they show like a big like boil or
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: something that you know, and and it's like click here
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: for medical news. I'm like, you don't, really, it's too
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: much commercial. Yeah, And there's now like stress toys that
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: are little pimple popper things to do. I'm like, then,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: what do you do you like stick the goo back in?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Like ew, It's just not for me. And so the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: thing about Brady I've heard about it, but Vicki said
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: she got something similar, and from her understanding is most
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of everybody on the trip and hers manifested in you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: her gut region and she can't poop or whatever. I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: don't know talking about her poop, so that we're never
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: seeing it. By the way, I mean, we're never seeing
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: now all the legal issues and now everybody on the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: trip is saying they all got a parasite we're never seeing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But it's like, would it be great if Brabo just said,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: if you want to see it, pay one hundred dollars.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I would pay one hundred dollars to see it. I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: would because I love it perview. Yeah, yeah, just let
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: let us see it. Just give it to us, give
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it to us. We want it.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Well, because now it's evidence, you know, it's evidence in
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: a lawsuit. So and yeah, those another thing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I was shocked.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Do you know the Bravo Docket podcasts. Yeah, yeah, I
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: was just looking at because I hadn't really looked at
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the episodes in a while, and I was just scrolling
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: through the episodes and I'm like, oh my god, there's
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: so many lawsuits right now against Bravo. You know, related
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: to Bravo related to these people, so many.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So many, They do a great job over there.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Vicky is being sued for financial elder abuse.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I heard. This is the side hustle that
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: she had of like finance, like being a financial planner.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is her work.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is her work.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Oh so she sold she sold this elderly woman a
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: bunch of crappy financial products like you know that whole
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: life insurance and some annuities and tied up all the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: money and had some woman had to pay these like
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: three hundred thousand dollars a year premiums for some thing
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that doesn't pay out for ten years.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, really awful.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: This woman needs access to her money and now she
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: no longer can access it without having a huge penalty. Anyway,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I mean it sounds pretty bad, Like it really does
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: not sound good.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: How long has VICKI been on our TV, I mean
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: twenty something years. It's pretty amazing that this is the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: first time this has happened. She's you know, she does
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: kind of hold herself up to be like the you know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: good work. Yeah, it's work. She's a businesswoman.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: She got to work.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Do think she did expand her repertoire from just insurance
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: to this you know, quote unquote retirement planning. And she
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: was working with this man and he's also being sued
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: with her, and the two of them were just recommending
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: these things that are supposed to be good for lowering
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: taxes and for retirement, and it just turns out it
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: wasn't true, and now is really up the creek without
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: a pot.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It's like being a doctor and being like, I could,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I could do boob jobs. Let me just start doing this,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: just start.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I know enough I did yoo.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Because that's what I thought. That's why I thought it
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: was a financial planning, like that she was selling things
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: that had to do with money that it sounds like
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: she didn't quite understand right. Or this other guy sounded
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: pretty shady too.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So, speaking of shady people, what do you guys
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: think about the Denise Richards divorce. It seems like it's,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Aaron did himself no favors, as we call him,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Big Dick, Aaron who did himself no favors by going
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: on in TMZ and doing that live where he's just
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, and then I picked. I don't care if
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: she was banging six guys a weekend. You still don't
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: need to punch her in the face. Yeah, what was
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the black guy about it? I don't care what she
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: was doing.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Well, he claims the black eye was from her running
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: into some you know, classic like running into some kind
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: of wall. But I think it tells you volumes about
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: both of them, just about how they're reacting to this,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: because Denise, you know, is keeping her head down, she's
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I saw her. She's promoting something, she's doing,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: she's working, she's just moving forward and working. And he
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: immediately is I'm a victim. Let me tell you my story.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And it's always very telling when someone shows up to
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: one of these things where and they cannot take any
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: iota accountability for their part in the relationship. So it's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: always like they Denise, Denis, Denise, she did all of
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: these things, and it's like, well, if you can't own anything,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: then that tells me so much about you because you
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: have zero, zero awareness, And it makes me think that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: maybe all, yeah, the stuff does seem like it might
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: be true. Because they started playing old clips from Beverly Hills. Yeah,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and then you go back and you're like, oh, that's right,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: he was like, I'm gonna crush your hand. And the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: way he spoke to the way he spoke to uh uh,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I think he was teddy Teddy Jane, and they were
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: just sort of like, hey, we don't want to fight
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: with you, and he was speaking to them like they were,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you know, just really condescending and rude. And he really
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: thought he was something. He thinks he's something very special.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And you know, apparently that business of his. I had
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: read a story about how he had promised this someone
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that he could cure their wife's cancer.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and speaking of lawsuits, somebody'suing him for that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: He had to close the yeah, and over six figures
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: like that many treatments and then he's being sued. So
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that tells you a lot. Yeah, he's kind of a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: con artist. I mean this whole thing.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: When he was explaining the four G fire. You remember
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: his wacky soliloqui where he was talking about people following
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: him and frequencies you know, Yeah, yeah, I mean he's
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: that's nuts. And yeah, I think Denise just fell hard
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: for the d and.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: You know, and then she couldn't see straight.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: And you know, we talked about this on one of
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: our bonus episodes about you know, Portenice Richard.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: She she just she just is this caretaker who just
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it's a sweet.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Woman who doesn't seem to have a mean bone in
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: her body, and it's just just gets taken advantage of
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: by people.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and I think that that's probably ninety
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: nine percent it And then I think one percent in
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: there is somewhere is like Denise, But I think ninety
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: nine percent of it is she gets taken advantage of it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: But at one percent, she knew what was going on
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: with him and was like, well, I have a lot
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of money. I'll just let his parents move into my
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: house and I'll move into an apartment. Like what, no,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: kick everybody outa take back your malibi property.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But she's not really quick, sorry, because I think it's
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: more than one percent. I mean, I love Denise, She's
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: niece fucking Richards. Can I swear? I love her. I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: think she's great, But she she likes a bad boy,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: she likes a project, she likes that, and she continues
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to pick men that, you know, that are very problematic,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and she's got to own some of that. I mean again,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I think that she I think again, our best qualities
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: are our worst qualities, right, I think because she's such
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a caretaker and she's loving and sweet and wants to nurture,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I think that's amazing. But then what happens is she
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: keeps hooking up with these guys and then she becomes
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: you know now and now she's taking care of everyone,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and then never really getting back what she wanted. In
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: that scene from her show Denise Richardson or her Wild Things,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you know she had, there was a scene where she
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: had dinner with Charlie Sheen and she's trying to get
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Charlie Sheen to kind of admit, like, no, you were
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: good for me, Denise, you know you did treating me well.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: And he was so dismissive of that, like she's desperate
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: for but I'm I'm you know, seeing I'm doing all
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: these nice things for you. Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And she took she took in his other kids. Yes,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: her wife had to go to rehab. She's like, okay,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: what's two more? Bring them over?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Yeah. So she's great in some ways,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: but lack of boundaries and others.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, lack of boundaries. Remember when he brought the hooker
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: over for Thanksgiving? Yeah, and She's like, just bring her
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: in because like you wanted to in the car. That's bad,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: didn't she want to have some turkey and gravy. Now,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you guys have not watched the Valley Reunion that was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: on last night's three parts, so we got we sort
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: of touched on everything on the first episode. We sort
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: of got eight at the beginning of little Jackson Brittany,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and then we got a little more into it in
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the end. Our prediction is they'll go into all the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: minor issues in episode to people with my then they'll
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: roll in to dark, said Danny at the end. Then
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: they'll roll into episode three will only be about Jackson Brittany.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: But it's funny because as we started talking about it today,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I said, ah, you know, yes he's been fired, Yes
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: he's been put away from his bar, but we're gonna
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: have to see what happens on this reunion for that
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to happen. Because at the beginning of the reunion, everything
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: she says, he'll go, that's true, I did that. That's true,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: which is new for Jack's right, because usually it's like okay,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: but but he always has a I did that, butt,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: remember what you did? Or who else in the world
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: didn't have tax issues. You know, everything is typical attic behavior.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And it's super interesting to me because he was very
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: much just like, that's right, that's true, that I did
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: everything in my power to push my wife away. She's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the victim, not me. A lot of pr training, a
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: lot of psych speak that is doesn't come naturally from him.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: She does go onto a diet where Andy's saying, now,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: what led you to go, you know, to rehab the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: first time, because he went twice and she's the you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the coffee table that was thrown at her. She again says,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you through the coffee table. I mean my knee immediately
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: turned black, and he's like, true. She goes into and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you broke all our barstools, which we did see that
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: on the show. But then she said, you broke my
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Stanley cup, which is very hard. I got to tell
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you unbreakable, that would be hard. She said, you broke
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: my Stanley cup, you broke my iPhone, you broke my laptop.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: She lists like ten things, probably just whatever was on
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the counter he was throwing, you know, laptop, phone, cup, whatever,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: And she says, and then you and then you threw
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: me into the bushes. And through the rose bushes. Now
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: this is new information, but the whole time we've been
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: saying this season he did something else physical put hands
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: on her that they're just not saying to save his job.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And you could tell the way they are talking about
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it that everybody knows something else happened here. The throwing
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: the coffee table and making her leg turn black with
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the kid in the house is bad enough. Then when
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: somebody else came over and they mentioned the barstool, he's like, oh, yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I got mad, But who else wouldn't everybody else would
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: be mad about that too. He couldn't, you know. So
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But when she started listing out all the things he
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: broke in that one episode, and he said, I was
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: very aggressed. He's, you know, a cooke d whatever. He's aggressive.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And she said, and he threw me in the rose bushes.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And then he goes, no, I didn't, I didn't that
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: didn't happen, and she goes, Jicks, we have She said,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: we have it on the ring camera footage, and then
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: she goes everybody, some people here have seen it. So
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of course everybody was like, they've all seen it. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: don't think Danny and have seen it because they were
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: like clutching each other. They were horrified. Wow, when she said,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: people here have seen the ring camera, Zach and Jasmine go,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: we've seen it. You threw her in the bushes. Now
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in his mind, probably he was walking out of the
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: house in anger and probably pushed her into the bushes.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Whatever happened, he physically assaulted her, yeah, which we've known
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: all along and they just haven't said it. But when
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: they said it on this first episode, by the time
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: we got wrapped up with our recap, I go, well,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: that's what it is. Now that it's been said out
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: loud that he physically bid hands on her, not just
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the furniture. Now they have to let him go. They
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: have no choice.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and we don't know the half of it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I was actually write an article where, you know, these
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: domestic violence experts were talking about him, and they were
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: saying that he clearly, just from what we see and
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: when the cameras are on, he is clearly physically violent
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: to her. He is laying hands on her. And it
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: wasn't just the rose bushes time. I mean, because he
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: is too amped up. He is too he is so
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: comfortable doing these things on camera. What do you think
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: he's doing behind closed doors? And it's really scary. And
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I think there was an episode where she was talking
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: to a therapist or something and she she said, I'm
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: starting to feel scared.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I think she was talking to be a divorce attorney.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Attorney. Yeah, and that's.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Big to say when you know you're on camera, so
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: you know, that's kind of a you know, cry for help.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Tess, what do you I mean, what
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: do you think about?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, well, and he's coked out, and I
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: think he's again allegedly, I believe he's always been taking steroids, which.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: That gets brought up. That gets brought up.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: You go together, and then you add some alcohol in
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and he says he has anger issues and so many
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: of these other things. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that it's very very telling how much he's obsessed with
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: this ring camera and having cameras. Who has cameras in
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: their house like this? Like who has cameras in every
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: single room of your house? Why do you need that?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Why do if you trust your partner control control? So
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: it's it's but it's obsessive and he's he's incredibly controlling.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And yeah, and That's why rehab was rough for him,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: because he could not control, he could not you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: invade their space. But again, I don't know what this
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: this place that he went to. It seems very very
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Why did they Why did they let him back?
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Like if he kept leaving, like yes, you know if
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: you leave a program.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I've worked at lots of different
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: programs and I've worked at once where you know, the
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: people had tons of money and people had no money.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And across the board. If you're in residential program, they
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: take your phone, they do not let you have phone privileges. Correct,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I mean again, you know phones and I haven't worked
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: in the treatment and a bit, so phones are so
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: different now at that time, we weren't so dependent on
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: our phones. But yeah, you weren't. You didn't have your phone,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you had limited calls, you called, you know, And what
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you're doing in rehab is you are learning how to
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: like life on life's terms. You're learning how to sit
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: with your feelings, sit with discomfort, not rage out when
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: you can't use the phone, right, sit and that and
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: he why why they kept letting him out? They did
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: such a disservice to him. If if they thought they
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: were doing good treatment. They weren't. That was such a
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: disservice because he never learned how to sit with his feelings,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: like what was the point of that?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: You just he was self filming, he was raged texting
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and what he said and watch what I was live
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: when Andy asked him, like what kind of treatment center
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: was this? You know? And he said, don't blame me,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and he said, in California, the law is after twenty
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: four hours you could get your phone back. No, so
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I so I again, he doesn't tell the truth. So
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you know, my thought is okay, probably they would give
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: you your phone back for like an hour in the afternoon
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to conduct business. But it was all day with him,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: so every time he had a break, he was getting
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: his phone and texting her. I told you, you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: my husband was and in patient treatment for three months
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and he never not once, never, not for three months,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: never had his cell phone ever. If he wanted to
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: make a call. It was like, I'm going to call
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you at six o'clock Pacific time, and if you don't answer,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to the next person. Right because because he
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: had thirty minutes and that wasn't even every day, and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you had to earn it, good, to earn it, to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: be able to call. And you're in a room with
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other people, so everybody can hear what
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you're saying, so you can't be trying to get like
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: your dealer to drop some shit off. So it's insane.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And he was like, well the name of it is
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: so and so it was a great facility. And even
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Zach was like, I don't even know what kind of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: place this one Nobody I've ever known, and he goes,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: it was beautiful. It's a great facility. But I think
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: probably we'll get into that in episode three because I think,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: like I said, they got a little into the Jackson Brittany,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I think we'll do the minor stories in the second one,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: and then the third one will probably roll dark side
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Danny all the way into what happened with Jackson. But
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: it's very interesting. On this first one, he says they
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: were supposed to July fifteenth have the divorce finalized, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Britney said to watch what happens live. Both of us
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: didn't get something in on time, so it has been
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: pushed to October. But what she said on this episode
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the reunion, which was filmed in June. She said, Jack's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: called me the other day and said he doesn't want
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to sign the paperwork yet because he doesn't know if
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: he's going to get fired and need to ask for
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: alimony from me.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I heard that, Yeah, oh my god, which.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: He had a good inkling. And when she said the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: thing about pushing me into the bushes, now we've got
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it on camera verbally that he did that. Probably the
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: production already knew, but now verbally it's been set on
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: camera and they decided to air it. So now they
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: have to let him go.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if there was some sort of unspoken
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: agreement that we're never going to bring up the bushes
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and that Brittany now was like, I'm bringing it up.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I'm done because I think he's been so still since
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: they've been apart. She said, there are decent days and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: then there are terrible days where he just spams her
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: all day long and goes goes through her trash to
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: see if she's got condoms, like all this stuff out.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is very scary. It's very scary.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: She's like, we didn't even have sex for three years.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: He doesn't like me. He called me a tree trunk
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: because I had stretch marks. She was like, he was
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: so verbally abusive to me, but now he's but now
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: he wants me, you know, because he's just control. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I think in the past what we've seen with Jackson,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: if you watch Evander pump rolls, he never acted this
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: way about other girlfriends, even Saucy, who he's obsessed with,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: because he always had some other girls to bang right
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: and now with Brittany because they had the marriage and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the da da da da. And she's on TV saying, no,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I used to pay seven thousand dollars a month mortgage
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and now I pay twenty one thousand dollars a month
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: mortgage because of his debt. She's on TV telling all
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: his business and so he can't he can't take it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And so, like I said, it'll be very interesting test
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: for you to watch it. All the what he is
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: saying sounds he's sounds so coached. Bess. He never says
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I was really mad, I was really aggressive, but anybody
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: else would do the same. Or I didn't pay my mortgage,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: but who else hadn't skipped a mortgage payment, which is
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: what he almost does.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I've never I have never missed a payment.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Who else had and had an issue with the government.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's an issue with the government.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Who else, he always says, who else wouldn't be mad
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: if they saw that on their kid, you know, on
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the iPad? Who else wouldn't be mad? Well, everybody would
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: be mad, but nobody would throw a coffee table at
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: their wife. You know, some people would. So it's really
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: it's very interesting, and I'll be interested for you guys
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: to watch it, especially Brook two for the legal aspect
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of it, because you get Jesse and Michelle now and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Jesse's representing himself.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, no, never a good idea.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And he goes, she says something, and he goes, well,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I got the discovery yesterday, and they I'll
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: go Discovery, like, you know what the fuck you're talking
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: talking about, and he like makes a joke like I
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: used to watch suits, so I know how to do
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: all this, and then he goes, well, I got I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: recently got Michelle's discovery and I was going through it
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and I had to talk to my lawyer. And that's
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: when they all go, aren't do you talk to yourself?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: You're your own lawyer, And he laughed. He goes, oh,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I have a team of people that I talked to,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and they all looked at Jason. Jason goes, Nope, not me.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I do trademark law. But that's It's interesting that both
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: of these couples have come to a custody agreement that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: they're both okay with, and they're both nicely speaking about
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the custody agreement, but they can't come to this divorce
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: agreement because of course, it comes down to money. And
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Jesse and Michelle, she said, he really, he literally wants
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: me to pay him back for any money I spent
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: there in the marriage. She's like, if I took I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: took a two day trip to Napa with a friend,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: he wants me to pay that back. And I was like,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: what about all the thousands and millions of dollars he's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: spent on wine? He has to pay that back to you.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: She was like, She's like, it's crazy. He told me
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: he would ever leave our home, which forced me to
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: leave our home, and then I had to pay his rent.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Am I rent? It was interesting. It's the.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Men are the worst.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: He's super controlling. Jesse.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's controlling in different ways. I think what's hard.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: What's interesting is when you're always kind of comparing Jackson Jesse.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: So in comparison to Jack, Yeah, you can't. I find
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: myself like, Jesse's not so bad, you.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Know, right. No, he's funny, Yeah, you know, he's kind
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: of cute.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not growing anyone in bushes, you know, he's
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: like you know, you know, with these cameras and all that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he's he's got his own he's got his
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: own stuff too. And I mean he essentially made up
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: a rumor about his ex wife that she was sleeping
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: for men with men for two thousand dollars or fifteen
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars a night, and then admits, no, I made
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that up.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I made it up.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And Shell's like, I'm the mother of your child. Like
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: that's the stuff that you really have to think through, Like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: not only are you thinking to yourself, I should spread
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: this rumor about my partner, then you do it, and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: then you talk about it on camera like you that
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: means that you really don't see what the problem is
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: with with what you're what you're doing right now.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: But really, really he's pretty terrible. Yes, see.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: So the jack stuff, though, I absolutely agree with you
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that by the third episode he's going to be freaking out.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Jack's because you're absolutely right. People can contain themselves, Yeah,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: for an hour or two. I always say this that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: when you have a client and you see them either
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: weekly or every other week for therapy, I don't know
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: what's good. I mean, you can show me anything. People
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: can contain that. But it's really it's in treatment, it's
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: in reality shows. It's in these intense things that you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: really see who people are. And these two men, it's like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I gotta stop going like, well, which one's worse. I'm like,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: they're both bad. They're both terrible.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And I think Michelle has said that a lot on
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the After Show. She's like, nobody you like, where like
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like Vicky Gumblston, where's my castle role? Like with Michelle,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: she's like, where's my cast role? Nobody cares about how
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: what I'm going through because Jackson is so terrible, but
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: also what I'm going through is terrible, you know, And
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: she is, She's like, I'm very guarded. And Jesse he
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: cries all of the time, and you know, they showed
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: a clip of him, like you know, and then Christmas
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: he starts crying and she goes, you have to stop
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: with the tears. And he just dries it right up,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and they're like, wow, man, you miss her calling to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: be an actor.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I like your impression. It's kind of did you
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: get that from Watch What Crappens? Because that's what they
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: always do, that motorize hello boy.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Well she is. She is a robot. But I believe
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: that in her home. I believe her parents are Cuban
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and Persian and so and they were both immigrants, so
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I think that probably there were so many languages spoke
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: in her home that I also think that's her flat affect.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I think she probably learned English listening to two other
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: languages and also learning English, so I think that some
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: of her words are the pronunciation is always a little off.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So she is like a robot. But she's just very like, Okay, Jesse,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: stop crying. Nobody wants to see that, Jesse. You know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: she's just very flat. And she said, you know, no,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I don't cry like that, and I am very guarded,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: you know. And then they we're all like, duh, Now,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I do want to talk to you guys about Miami.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: So, oh, I'm sorry, can we talk about Janet? I
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: have to talk about Janet?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Talk about Okay, Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, go ahead
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that her.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I know people have a lot of feelings about Janet,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry she's getting all this hate. No one
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: should be writing her and saying you're an awful person
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: or stalking her, right, right, but her this stuff that
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: she did with the alcoholism, Like, I am a trained
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: licensed therapist. I would not feel comfortable walking up to
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: someone and saying, you're an alcoholic, right, you need rehab,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: you need this, you need that. That was I mean,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm amazed that nobody else was a little bit
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: like what is are you insane? That's hard.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: That's why they're mad at her.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: But not everybody, Like all these people still do are
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: her friends and defend her constantly. I just think she
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: is Again, I don't know if she studied this and
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: decided along the way that she was like, Okay, this
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: is how I have to be, you know, this is
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: like this is this is what I need to do.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: But she is also you know, it's so many of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: them are so tone deaf. And I think that's the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: other part of it too, that it's this is a
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: bit of what happened with vander Pump rules is is
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that as these shows get in the zeigeist longer and longer,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: the people on the show become more of these characters
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: and they start losing a bit of that. And I
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: feel like Janet what she did was that she she
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: kind of went there, but she never allowed anyone to
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: get to know her, like we don't even I don't
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: know Janet at all, But all Janet's been doing is
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: other people, and it's hard to I find that just
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: not as bad as jack'son a as bad as Jesse,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: but just as toxic, like it's really it's not okay.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Janet has been with them since the beginning of Vander Properule.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: She's been friends with them forever. I can remember after Scandabal,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Janet was on Kristen's podcast a lot. They're very very
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: close friends. And I think she's great for the show
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: because she's messy like Jackson. Now that we're not going
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to have Jackson anymore, maybe we need it, but probably
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: she won't be the one to be doing it next
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: season because she's going to have to have a redemption arc. Yes,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: what's interesting about the Valley this first reunion was we
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: start off with Kristen apologizing to Janet and saying I
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have said I'd beat your ass, like, I don't
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: know why why I would say that's stupid, and I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: shouldn't call you a whore because obviously you're not. Now,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I think if it's so too, we're gonna get probably
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: into that. I think Janet's like, somebody's gonna make something happen,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: so it may as well be me. I did think
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: when we very first met Janet and Jason season one,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: episode one, when we first met them, Jason said, since Janet,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: you know, got pregnant, she quit her full time job,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: but she came up with a full time hobby, which
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: is gossip, and so I thought that was hilarious, and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: that's how and that's how we met her. Okay, so
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: she likes the gossip and she's messy. So I think
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: probably she's gonna you can't be a villain two season only.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Jack'sonna be a villain in all twenty seasons. You can't
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: be a villain two seasons in a row. I think
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: we'll see some sort of redemption arc with her. I
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: think she was just like, I don't know why all
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: of them got so triggered by Danny. I'm gonna tell
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you something right now, as somebody who lives with a
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: recovering alcoholic. If I was standing in a pantry and
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: somebody I knew came in and sneakily took a shot
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: out of a bottle, that would trigger me hardcore because
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: of what I've been through. So I can see where
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Janna would be, like, if you're sneaking in a pantry
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and down it's a problem. However, the way she's handling
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: it and judging it, you do. Let me tell you
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: what's not gonna make somebody not be alcohol I guess
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to call him on it, yea, because it's that's never
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: gonna help. So the way she handled it was ridiculous.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But again they're on a show and she's trying to
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: make something happen. Storyline to the detrimentate Danny, which will
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: be if you watch the finale and you saw jack
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Jackson and I was telling Keisha, who had never watched
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: vander Pumpoule's my co host, I said, what you need
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: to know about Jackson is this is typical Jackson. He's
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: so focused on this one thing, and on that episode
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it was Danny. How come Danny gets away with it?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: How come people aren't talking about Danny. He just can't couldn't,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: couldn't grasp anybody wasn't on top of Danny like they wrong. Well,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: we've got twenty years of watching Jacks be horrible. We've
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: only known Danny just a little bit. If Danny continues
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: to do this four under four next season, then yeah,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: he'll he'll he'll get the wrath of the viewers. Right.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't think the way Janet at
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: all handled it was correct. She could have sat down
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: one on one with Nia and like, hey, you want
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: to tell you this is just my observation. Do you
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: think there's some problematic behavior? And if she says, Danielle
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and I have discussed it in our Christian therapy and
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: we're fine, then then that's it. Then you never Then
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: you never talked about it again. That's under your business,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: No? And I think it's it's the it's the bringing
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: it up and the brow beating and the and back
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: and back and back and back, and that's the part.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: So okay, Well, hopefully maybe Janet could get a job
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: and and add some things to her life. And I
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: mean usually becoming a parent kind of gives you a
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: certain amount of awareness, but that that doesn't work.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Too much for no.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: No, But yeah, anyway, sorry, I had to talk about
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Jenny because Broke doesn't watch the show the way I do.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: So I'm like wandering around like trying to talk to
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: someone about the show.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Text me any time. I like everything to talk about.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Now Miami, we've got Julia and Gertie. I don't speaking
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: of like legal things that you get the Kenya Moore
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: from Atlanta, and now we've got this not quite as
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: bad because it's not showing private parts, but we've got
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Gertie taking a cancer event. Now, when somebody told me
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: that they'd watched, they'd seen it before I saw it,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and they go, oh, it was this cancer event. I go, oh,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: so it was just like her and her four friends
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: and she did. They're like, no, it was like one
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: hundred people there. It was an event for fundraising for
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: cancer research. And then she's like, hold up, please record scratch.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Let me put up these text messages from Julia, who
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: nobody here knows, and nobody knows what this means. Make
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: it make sense. I didn't get it at all.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I've heard, you know, I'm not I watched Miami. In
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: the beginning. I haven't been watching it this season, but
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I know all of these storylines that are happening, and
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I've heard about this, and so tell me what was
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the issue with Julia and Gerty before? Because Gertie had
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: breast cancer right and is now recovered, so okay, okay,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and so what happened with her and Julia though?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they've always been close. So what happened is
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Julia and Martina adopted these two little boys, like a
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: little boy. They're like three and one. Okay, So she
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: because it was probably going through the system or whatever,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: and it was the legal thing. You know, they didn't
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: show them the first half of the season. They're showing
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: them now. And she had a zoom call with all
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the housewives, and she wanted to tell them on the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: zoom call this has happened because it's going to like
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: hit the press, and I wanted all of you to
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: know because it'll be probably a storyline. Whatever was the reason.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: So they all get on the zoom and I guess
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Julia's late to her own zoom and Gertie had a
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: business call, so Gerdie hopped off, and I guess people
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: are going to correct me, this is not completely right.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: But I guess she texted Julia and go, so sorry,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I had to jump off. I had a call what's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the announcement? Because she didn't know. Are you going to
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: tell me that you got twelve more chickens on your farm?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Is Martine coming out of retirement? What's the announcement? She
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: did not know. It's to say we have two new children,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: which is huge, and so Julia just said to her, well,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: you'll just find out when it hits the press, like,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you, but she got off
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: the call. That's where it started. Now now we find
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: out a little bit. The backstory is that Gerty had
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: just got up. So I guess they did like a
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Housewives cruise, right, so you could go on this cruise
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: and Housewives are there and it's like four days or whatever.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: And Gerty had just gotten off of one of those
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: cruises and Julia and Martina were supposed to get on
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the next one, but Martina couldn't go because she was
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: having some sort of return over cancer and had to
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: go get tested. But Julia was committed to go. Gertie
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: was like, I'll just get right back on the cruise
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: and go with you because I hate that Martina was
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: supposed to be also a headliner there, and so Gerty
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: was like, I obviously have a job in a life
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't really want to, but I don't want
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: you to be alone, so I'll go with you. So
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: she went back on the cruise. So there's some back
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: and forth of whether Gerdy wanted to do it or
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: was doing it to be a good friend, and Julia's like, no,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: you did it, okay, So there's some back and forth
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: about that. Then, unrelated I believe, to the cruise, Gerty
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: then asked Julia to an event, a big, a black
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: tie event, and then sat her like at the wrong
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: table with people she didn't know.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, boy, that's always a big thing, sitting and tables
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and of these charity events.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, But the main thing was Gerdy jumped off
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: the zoom call before she was able to make her
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: announcement about having these children, and Julia was extremely hurt
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: by that. That's where it started. So what Gerty did
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: at this a cancer event where there's one hundred people there,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: like ten other survivors that she's met through retreatment that
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: are all part of this foundation what she did was
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: before the band started, but she was like, I'm about
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: to introduce to the this world famous blah blah blah,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: but first, uh put the slides up. She had decided
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: it like six minutes before they showed the timeline of
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Julia went up and was talking to Gertie's husband and
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's too bad this happened, and like,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I hope we can get back to a better place
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and I'm really sad about what happened. And that just
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: set Gertie off. It was like she was talking to
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: my husband like she did nothing wrong. Got the event
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: coordinator in their sent her a bunch of screenshots off
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: her phone and decided to show. It's just like pages
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: and pages and Larsa, you know, not the smartest bulb goes.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. After like the first page, I was like,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: this is too much to read. I don't even know
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: what it says. Somebody just tell me. And everybody was
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: people were so they were also horrified. They're all going,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: this is not okay, and mirasol, this is at greg
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: and they and they left. They all left the event.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: They were like, this is gross what you just did.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: None of it was bad. It was just more talking
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: about the cruise or talking about why did you sit
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: me at the wrong place at dinner? None of it
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: was bad, but Gertie was trying to make a point
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: that Julia did X Y Z and nobody was on
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Gerdi's side. Well, nobody's on Gertie side now because she
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: did this.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when this comes.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Out, I believe money comes out on Wednesday nights, which
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: is tonight, so apologies it maybe it comes out Thursday
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: if we're late on the news, but that's the event.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: So legally, I guess it's not against the law unless
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: it is in Florida, Like, but who everything goes in Florida,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: so who knows?
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean their text messages, she did
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: say that stuff, But I mean I don't think you
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: have an expectation of privacy necessarily when you send a
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: text that's just diabolical, like.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: And it makes no sense. It's the same with Kenya
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: at her own event doing that thing to sabotage.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Events, ruining it and also like it's just so it's
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: over the top cruel, mean, you know, just meant to
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: humiliate somebody and for what for your delicate ego, like.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: And I think that's part of the problem with these
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: reality shows is that it's not but it's not. It's
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: not reality as we all know, right, but it's not
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: it's not how people should communicate, it's not how relationships
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: should be. I was chatting with a client yesterday about,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: you know, she's struggling with a friend who she feels
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: like is not prioritizing her. And you know, my client
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't have kids, not married in the friend is married
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: with kids, and you know, all of that kind of stuff.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: And we were talking through like how does she want
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: to handle it, what does she want to do? And
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the thing is is that we finally kind of decided
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: that she's going to give it some time, you know
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, she's just gonna let it lie
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: and see how she feels and see if there's a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: time to bring it up. That's the problem with these
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: shows is that they are such pressure. And again, I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: that's what I wonder how much the producers are in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: their ears, Oh totally talking, talking, talking, So yeah, that's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: a great idea.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great idea.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, sense of reality of how to be. So that's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: the problem is you're trying to make these people be friends,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: but there's no foundation of friend in any of this,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: So then how do you how do you be friends?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: And I think this is what we're seeing a lot
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: of on Orange County.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: But yeah, this is the this is the whole shift
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: of the Housewise franchises. It used to be people who
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: were actually in the same kind of friend group, circles
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: and in each other.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: That's how they found them.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, right, they would recommend, oh, my friend so and so,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: and then we would just kind of watch them live
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: their lives. And you know which, if you like reality TV,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: you like that type of thing. You like you're curious.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: You're a curious person who who enjoys that. So it
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: went along for years like that, and then at some
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: point it changed to, well, we're just going to get
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: these random people, and if we can get someone who's
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: a big name, you know, like Martina and Narratilova's wife,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: you know whatever, you know, then they try to get
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: big names and they bring these people together who don't
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: know each other. They're no longer we're no longer watching
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: them live their lives. We're watching them self produce and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: show us what they want to promote, and you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: and then there's there's this pressure, like you said, to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: have drama to get attention.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: And you can imagine Gurny went backstage it is telling
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the production is filming her, and she's telling her assistant, Hey,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: I just sent you a bunch of stuff. We're gonna
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: put it.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: And so the production is there and they don't go,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: oh god, that's a bad idea. We just had those
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Like, it's not going to go well for you.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: But she did it anyway.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the production seems to be egging it on, and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: you know, they like, clearly they like this formula. But
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know because are the ratings. I've always heard
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: that the ratings for most all of these shows are
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: really down.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. Even at the beginning of
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the season, the Valley ratings were down, which I couldn't believe.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: But I think it's because it's so dark and the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: people are just like, well, this is what we're doing.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: We as well, just of course I the darker the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: better for me.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, for o C.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: I know you guys are big OC fans. Thoughts on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: the return of Gretchen. What did Terror say that? What
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: did Terror say this make about Gretchen. She said, I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: looked over there, and she didn't say a bratstall. She
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: said she looked.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Like like AI or something.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Well, she does look like AI, but she said something
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: like I looked over there and she looked like a brass.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: She didn't say brastles. She said something else. And I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: just watched it again last night and I was like,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: oh God, that's funny, Like, hey, love her, hate Tamra.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: She's such good TV. And I have heard a rumor
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: that Gretchen at the end of this season just Maga
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: spirals out hardcore. Oh wow, and then that's going to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: be like a storyline.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well Gretchen. Yeah. The first season, I was like,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: what is up? Not even Gretchen, all of their faces,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Like what is happening? Like? Who Emily doesn't look like herself? No,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: keeps evolving. It's she means weird too. Yeah, it's just.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Like what is Jim? Jim looks like what she has
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: looked like since we've known her. But when you show
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: what she looked like before, you're like, what, Wow, see
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I covered so much. I cover so much TLC that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: we don't get that much. We're like, well, exactly the same,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: which wasn't great to start with, but but some of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: them do do like full mommy makeovers and stuff, and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: they're not doing it with their sweet sweet TLC money.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. They just probably saw
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: themselves on TV and were like, what the heck? But
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: these ladies come in looking pretty good and then the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: second season you're like, whoa new face? Who this? Yeah,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Gretchen is so blurred. I don't even know how she
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: looks than in real life she's blurred.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's unbelievable. And I think part of it is
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: that Orange County, right, if you're down there and you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: start walking around Orange County, you know that's what you see.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: So people like lose their minds about what a person's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: face should actually look like. But this year was frightening.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: I mean really for everybody.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think about Emily sharing about her
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: son's issue and you know, his eating issue that he has.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: He's a young kid, he's eeing issue that he has,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: and then saying it, well, this may be related to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: him being in the autism spectrum and all this, I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: will tell you. My opinion is is we didn't need it.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: He's only ten years old and I I personally don't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: like like it.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: And the way the way she talks about it too,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: she's just she just is so filled with anxiety and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: she's you know, crying and what I mean. I understand
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: she's concerned about her son, but she's this isn't Emily's
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: a strong woman, you know, and she's like really not
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: dealing with this well, like she's just kind of spiraling.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: And I understand it's concerning, but it's all I almost feel.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Like she's acting.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Jane's very calm about everything. He's taking this attitude of well,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: let's just wait.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Well, let's wait, yeah, let's find out what's wrong before
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: you jump to like the worst conclusions, you know.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: But you remember he does have two three three three
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: kids before he even met her, so he's like, I've
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: already done this. Every kid's gonna have some What did
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: you guys think about Katie recording Shannon have a meltdown
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: then lying and saying I only showed it to my husband,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: But turns out she did show it to Alexis the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: arch enemy and Jen Jen's like, I don't even I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: don't think so, I don't think I did. And but
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: of course she did, and gen's just from nat like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: she didn't see it because she's like, I don't want
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: to know. I didn't see anything with you.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'll be honest with you. I like I like
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Katie even though she's lying and she just lies a lot.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: She lies, But I like.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Her more than I like I like her and Jen
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: so much more than I like Emily and Shannon and
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: any of these other people. I mean, at least, you know,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: at least there's some I get it. She's the sense
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: that I get with Katie is this is that she
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: came in, you know, you don't quite know what to expect.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: She she should not have started off with that, you know,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: that rumor about Heather de burrowh calling the paparazzi. I
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: think she got bad advice from Gina. I think Gina
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: did tell her to do that, and I think that
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: a producer told her to and she got bad advice.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I think, by the way, oh yeah, I mean here
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: was lingering around Disneyland, right so the then and then
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I think what and I feel like she has the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: right to feel this way, which is what Emily did
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: at that reunion last year, was not okay. She brought
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: up this case of what was you know that Katie
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: gave up custody every three kids, and to bring that,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I mean that means you might look that up. You
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: brought that in and Katie was pissed, and I think,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: but I don't think Katie is very good about being direct.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: You have to be directed, yes, you have to. If
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: you're not, you're going to get yourself in trouble. So
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: she's not direct, so she sort of tells enough to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: get the person to go away, instead of being like, yeah,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I did that.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: It's really back It really backfired on Emily. It really
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: did because people were kind of like, God, this Katie,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: she just kind of comes in and makes shit up
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: and she lies and whatever, and maybe people didn't like
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: her so much. But then when Emily came in with
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: this stuff, now you feel bad for Katie because you're like,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: why are you doing that? And this is sort of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: it's Unfortunately for me, I'm starting to feel that way
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: about Jack's because it's like, God, now he's lost his wife,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: he's lost his job again, and now he's lost his business.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: And at some point, how much piling on can you do?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like the Tom Sanderval at some point
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: how much piling on can you do? And so I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: think Katie was sort of on that trajectory of people
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: kind of don't really like her. But then Emily brought
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: this on and people were like, well, now we feel
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: bad for Katie. So it had the opposite effect of
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: what you thought, because Emily is Katie's no mental match
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: for Emily. Emily is obviously a very smart lawyer, and
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: she's bringing these facts and Katie's like, well, that's not
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: exactly how it happened. And also I was homeless, so
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I had to give up custody my cheld. It sounded
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: to me like she could have been in a battered
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: woman shelter. Yeah, and bringing that up and then having
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: her be like it was the worst time in my
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: entire life. And so no, I'm not proud of it.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: I mean terrible.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Katie's not built for this. And yeah, she has a
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: very interesting backstory.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Can we hear about that?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Like what you know what I mean?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: It's obviously the little we know.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: She has a story and she's been through a lot
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: and that would be interesting to learn about. But instead, yeah,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: we're getting caught up in these petty things, and she's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: not going to last if she can't fight back.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: We got a little bit this last week about her
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: talking about the one son is still there with the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: excess and then the other one decided to come and
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: she was like, you know, I just think as a mom,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I want my kids to always know I let them
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: make the choice where they wanted to live. Then, so
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get a little bit more of it.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: But that whole thing of her recording Shannon having the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: meltdown and I didn't like California is a two point.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: You can't do that, I mean, and then she and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: then she showed it to people, which is illegal. It's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: not good. Yeah good.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can understand why she would want to.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: And and I think that in her mind right she's
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: she's watching Shannon freak out, and I think she's just like,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: oh God, I'm want to film this and show this
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: to my husband right right. And I think what happened
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: was that then I think she's like, oh, I'm with Alexis,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: now let me tell her this, and they let me
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: tell her that, Like she's not she's not thinking these
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: things through and in a different situation, in different context,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: this wouldn't be such a big deal, but now it
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: is because it's all coming out and it's all on TV.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I'm still a little confused about this whole thing with
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: the blogs and Tarmera and Tarra's mad at Katie because Katie,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: it's it's you can't. The bloggers are going to write
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: what they write podcasters like you can't. They're all mad
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: at each other because you went on this show and
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: you said this and then blah blah. It's that stuff.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: They've got to leave alone. That's exhausting. I can't that.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: No one can keep you stuff. No.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: The first three episodes of this season have just been
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: nothing but fighting about these random things and them yelling
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: at each other.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: And if I have to hear the word blogger one
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: more time, Yeah, what's a blogger? Do you mean a podcaster?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Do you mean a content creator? What's is anybody sitting
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: down and writing ye old blog? Yeah, like blog and
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: talking about It's like it's like one time, you guys,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: this was This is such a callback to original New
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: York City leu Anne when Leu Anne had some one
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: woman show or something that she did and she was like, oh,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: I got to go tomorrow. I gotta get the dailies, Darling.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: And you are like, she's going down to Yale newsstand
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: to pick up the dailies to see what they said
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: about her one one appearance on Broadway for five minutes
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But she was like, oh, I've got her
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: run down. I got a look at the dailies. And
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: so we say that all the time. It's such like
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: an old person thing to say. And so is blogger. Yeah,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: so is blogger. And I don't know. I did hear
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: them mention Kiky Monique, who I know who I'm really with,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: and they said Kiki same and I was like, oh, girl, geeky,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: you're listener a text and be like, oh, what do
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: you think She'd probably be like, oh my God, tell
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: these women to leave my name out of their mouth.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: But listen, I know a podcaster who tamor reaches out
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: to and tells things to that man where I got
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: that Maga information about Gretchen.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they all do it. And it was at
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: the end of The Valley Reunion Part one. Somebody said
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: something about things being leaked and Jack Jackson goes, what,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I don't link anything, and they said, sometimes you do
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: and he goes, I do everything on camera. This is
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: why our show is so good. So he's also been
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: trained not to say my show. And he goes, this
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: is why our show is so good because we do
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: everything on camera. And he looked over it Janet and Jason,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: and he goes, you guys are the ones who live
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: in the reddit threads and leak stuff all the time. Oh,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: so they all do it. Tammer does it, Katie does it.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Normally does it they? I think Gina doesn't do it
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: because I just think she's too busy. Gina. I love.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I love Gina.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Gina. I go back and forth on Sometimes I really
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: like her and sometimes I'm like, uh, Gina, you know
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I love. I hadn't heard this before, but I love
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Amy Phillips's Gina impression. If you've ever, I was cracking
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: up like Rye because she does it so so well.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: And there is that Gina kind of you know, that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: New York accent and some of the things that she's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: talking about. And but god, the hurt she cannot you know,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: she's looking better, but the fashions, oh, she's never been
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: quite she's never quite gotten it.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: No, and there's so many of them, and we love
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: that about them. We love that about them. I mean
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: even like lu Anne, who's got the best body probably
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: on the planet. The things that she's been posting lately,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? What are you speaking
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: of that? Did you guys watch Love Hotel?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: You did, Brooke right?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: I think I watched maybe like an episode of it thinking.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: About covering it, but I think it didn't grab you.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: But I feel like I'm seeing it now with all
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: these guys that Shannon is, all the guys she's.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Bringing around, Oh yeah, yeah, Yes, it's hilarious because it's
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: like some of these guys she sort of dated on
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: the show. The only guy she dated on the show
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: really was this guy Earl that lived in Michigan or
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: something or Florida, I don't remember. He had a couple
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: of houses. And then this guy that she brought to
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: the other event, whose name is a He's an African
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: American guy. He lives in bel Air and he had
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: been a model. His name's going to come to me
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: in a minute. Very good looking.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: You remember him? Yeah, he came to that last party.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And they were talking at dinner one night
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: on Love Hotel, and he was talking about where he lived,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: like he was saying the street, like where he lived
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: in bel Air. He's like, oh, I know exactly where
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: that is. And then Earl got all Mag's like, I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: can't get in the conversation because I don't even know
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I'm not from bell Air. And
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: he's like, and I don't eat vegetables And she's like what.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: He's like, why you don't need vegetables. He's like, so
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: he's like, drop this guy. He's not gonna live long.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: He doesn't need vegetable. To look at him that she.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Likes, Yeah, are you a Shannon fan? Do you like Shannon? Uh?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: No? I mean I like Shannon because she's wacky. But
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I heard somebody say on a podcast like how many
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: times can we hear Shannon say? Are you kidding me?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Like I I think she'll go
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: the way of Vicky. I think they'll fase her out
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: at some point and maybe phase her back in. But
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be sad if we had a break room Shannon.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I really wouldn't. I don't dislike I think that she's
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: extremely hard to work with.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: I think, yes, apparently something else came out. I mean,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: I think that's the other thing too, is I think
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: that that rant that she did that Katie filmed. I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: think all those women have seen this fifteen times. I
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: think that's why it didn't bother any of them. I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: think they were like, oh, yeah, there's Shannon.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I think I think Emily's I think Emily said that
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I'll watch what happens live.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: So I think that she. Yes, I think she's absolutely
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: the worst to work with. But I mean they played
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: that old scene of like it's not my fucking plate,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I play you know she is.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: She's so good at that. But just this last episode
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: when she went to Katie like what done? You know
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: she does done?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I would never speak to you again. I will never
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, how is that going to work?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: But but that I was like, oh, Shannon, you know
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: there is some piece of this that I do think
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: much like any other you know, like musicians or actress,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: you have to grow in some way, shape or form.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: You have to evolve as a person. And I think
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: that the best sort of reality stars are people that
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: you know, allow people to see them evolve and grow
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: and and do things differently and and accept that. And
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: and that's the thing about Shannon. It's like she just
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: she has no idea. She's just someone who has no
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: idea like how she is in the world. She has
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: low awareness. And I think Shannon's always been about Shannon.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: So I don't think Shenon thinks about other people. I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: really don't think she does. I think she thinks about herself.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think she's I think she's
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: an involved mom. I think she's interested in what her
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: kids are doing. But beyond that, now, I don't know.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: I don't so interesting. I did buy her her vitamins tincture.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Oh how is it?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: It was like a for real, for real tincture.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Out of business.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. It didn't cure me of anything after
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: one bottle, though, I get listen, I'll always try a product.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, listen. I take Vina CBD every night,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: shout out Tamara Judge.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you've got you've got some of.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: That, right, Yeah, I got it. I had those gummies.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: I don't do well with them.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I no, I take the melotone in CBD. I don't
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: take the THHC one. No, no, no, Yeah, I had.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: I mistakenly bought like it was a low dose like THHC,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: and I just took one or maybe half a one,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: and the next day I was just like, no, I can't.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I take the melotone in CBD gummy. And
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: then lately I've been taking magnesium because somebody said that's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: good for you rain or whatever.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: It is very good, and it's a natural relaxing too. Yeah,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: it's good to take a night.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: So I said that to my daughter. I was like, God,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: it's just I'm sorry. I was supposed to get up
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: at nine fifteen, like a couple of days ago. I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: was like in my bed and she came in there.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, what I'm supposed to be happened? I'm
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: like paniced, you know, because it was like nine thirty.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: And I told her later, I go, I'm sorry about that.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to be.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: I have my alarm set for eight forty five. I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: really I'm telling her this. And I told her that
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I was taking the magnesium and she goes, well, that
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: really makes you tired. I go yeah, And I said,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: when I already take the melatonia, And she goes, Oh
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: my god, you like roofied yourself. I was like, oh,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't take melatonia CVD and magnesia. Maybe that's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: why I can't get up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised that Tamor isn't promoting that more on
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: the show because it's a it's a successful business and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: then she has yeah, because there's because that's one of
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: the you know, main purposes for these house I have
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: shows us to promote businesses, and and that sort of
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  Speaker 3: seems like it's uh going away a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well they're probably just like you're allowed to
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  Speaker 1: mention it once per season, and you know if they
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: if they start a product while they're on the show,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: then Bravo bits ten percent yeah of sales.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if they're showing things now that are
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: things that are like just more entertaining, because it sounds
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: like Tama's business works very well and things are running well.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: What's interesting about that?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not shutting down.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think that they know that people
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: love the I've got a candle line, I've got you know,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: you know, essential herbs and oils and that thing. I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: think they know that that we all kind of get
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: that and get what it's entertaining to watch it.
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  Speaker 3: Three work versus five wik Yes, well, I remember Heather's
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  Speaker 3: I think this was just last season Heather's wardrobe capsule, right.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, collection, that's right, I was it was. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 3: It probably didn't do well because it was just made
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: for people who are built like a pencil stick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be rough. I will tell you the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: funniest thing. We'll wrap it up, but I will tell you, guys,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: this funny thing other day, just on my algorithm, popped
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: up on Instagram. I don't. I try very hard not
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: to go on TikTok as I go into a hole
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: and I can't.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: I don't even don't don't.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: It's a problem. So I was just trying to stick
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: with Instagram. I found that easier to put down. And
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: at Terry de bro Ad popped up and it's him
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: and he's got a jar like this big this just
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  Speaker 1: take a jar of this big of some kind of
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: a cream and he's walking and as we get older,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: you know what happens. Our skin It gets creepy and
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: he's like showing his like creepy jiggly skin and he's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: like so what we need is d and we have
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: found is this specific ion peptide Da da da da
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: for your skin. It does in the skin. You don't
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: want to be my wife. Heather loves it. So you
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: should get this champagne uh, champagne blah blah blah with
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: the pep tae blah blah blah blah blah. And he's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: talking about it right the product, and then he goes
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: and so the how you're gonna do it is you're
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: gonna and it's like he was going to say, go
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  Speaker 1: to Champagne cream dot com. That's that's the easiest way
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: to do it. Go over there and tell him, I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: said you Cote is Terry like that. He's walking through
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: his living room talking like, let me tell you he's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: in a scrub on Terry to borrow. And when he
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: gets to the and the best way to get it
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: is and he says it twice. A dub over came
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: over that sounded like a reverse like Korean movie dubover.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: It was a person in an accent going Champagne cream
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: dot Com over him, saying like, sh't a I don't
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: know what kind of robot voice. Scary it was, but
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: it's him doing the whole ad, and I don't know
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: if the original website that he said closed down or
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: he screwed it up. And he goes, I'm not doing
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: it twice because it is a complete other person, possibly
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: another accent, saying Champagne cream dot com screaming you guys.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: I died. I was like, well, I mean I was,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: I was all in. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: not crapy skin, I've got it. Yeah, Oh what's it?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Gonna sell it to me?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Terry?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, he looks pretty good, and I'm like
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: watching the whole thing, and then it's like Champagne creep
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: dot com.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: I was like, what, I always question if those ads
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: like with Terry, I've seen a lot.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: He has a lot of it, a lot of stuff.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: They have all this money, they seem to be constant.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's how Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Well, like and doctor Drew is always on all these
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: commercials I see, and I wonder, is this really Doctor Drew.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like the ad itself is an AI ad
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: where they're using people. I don't know.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: I I this was Terry that he was in that
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: penthouse that we see them doing those stupid dances in
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: all the Times and it is him walking around with
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: the Terry and Heather du bro cream and he's just
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: throwing in the air and he's all happy about it,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: and I was like, look at him, he's ten years old.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: The Men that Robots voice came on and I was like, no, yeah.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Well, and also they don't even live in Orange County.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: I mean no, they they have oh they have an
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: apartment at the Balboa Bay Club or something.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: So he was just going to be washed away about
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: the tsunami. Oh wow, I looked at the map. It
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: looks scary.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well the tsunami warnings, I think we're a little premature.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's also annoying too that they don't even
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: live in the county.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: So anywayeah, well, do you ever notice that Terry always
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: has to make sure that the audience knows how much
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: they're spending on these parties. So he's like, how much
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: is this party in relationship to the Nobu Party? You know?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, She's like, well the Noble Party was thirteen thousand, thousand, thirty.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's because he's like, let's make sure
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: to say it out loud because it's a write off
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: for your job.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: It could be that, and or I really feel like
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: he wants us all to know that throwing a six
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: figure party is just a regular Tuesday night for them.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: I think he wants us to know how wealthy. They
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: always wanted us to know how wealthy they are.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: We know, we got it. We see we see it,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: we've heard it, we've seen the home, we've seen the thing.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: We got it, we got it. Yeah, you guys, tell
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: everybody where they can find you on social media and
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: where to find your podcast.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So so you can find us just at psych
• 1:25:15
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• 1:25:19
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• 1:25:24
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• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: do two shows a week, Mondays and Thursdays. It's always
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: a documentary Mondays we're doing. And just like that. We
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: we normally do Sister Wives or a big Sister Wives,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: you know, that's what we and we didn't intend to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: be Sister Wives recaptors, but it really was. We started
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: the show right after Christine left Cody, and so everyone's
• 1:25:49
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• 1:25:50
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• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yoh, so we talk a lot about that, and yeah,
• 1:25:55
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• 1:26:00
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• 1:26:02
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• 1:26:05
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• 1:26:11
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• 1:26:21
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• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: you know, we're sisters. We're dealing with our parents that
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: are aging, we have kids. It's a lot about being
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: a gen xer and dealing with just the insanity of
• 1:26:32
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• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Gen X that's yeah, that's me nineteen sixty eight. You
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: can sixteen nine right in the middle of it. I
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: try to fight with Amy Archer a lot until her
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: she's not gen X and she doesn't like that. Yeah,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: she's bordered.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: She's seventy five, seventy six.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: She's borderline, and I always try to talk about like, yeah,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: she's like, I've built my whole career on it. Please stop.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: We love Amy, We're a mutual friend. Is Amy. Everybody
• 1:27:02
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• 1:27:05
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• 1:27:06
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• 1:27:08
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• 1:27:10
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• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Because I don't. It's not good for me. It's not
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: good for me because I get in and I kick
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: it out and then I'm way too invested in like
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: the twenty two year olds that are having a fight
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: and like, why do I care. Yeah, it's a problem.
• 1:27:22
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• 1:27:27
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• 1:27:29
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• 1:27:36
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• 1:27:36
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