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Vikings Preseason Game #2, JJ vs Carson, and a Look Back at our 53-man Predictions | TSH Ep. 152 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome into another episode of
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  Speaker 1: The School Hop. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We's just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: and talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. And hey, the Vikings played another preseason
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  Speaker 2: game a few days ago and that was definitely a
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  Speaker 2: thing that totally happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. On a better note, we had some really great beer,
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  Speaker 1: So thanks to field Day Brewing for another amazing beer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we spent some time a few weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago we used Yanick Eckhart from Vikes Now as fifty
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  Speaker 2: three man roster tool, and we made our own fifty
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  Speaker 2: three man roster. Well tonight, we took a look at
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  Speaker 2: back at that and gave our current thoughts on what
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  Speaker 2: we thought of that roster a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of interesting to kind of look back
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  Speaker 1: on that and then update those predictions based on how
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  Speaker 1: things have been going in camping in the preseason. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. Yeah, and really good beer.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna want to check out the episode episode one
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  Speaker 1: of The School Hop. Grab a cold one and join us.
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  Speaker 1: Let's cool. All right, let's get started with some beer
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  Speaker 1: here tonight. We've got a field Day Brewing Company beer.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a handful of their beers now at this point.
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  Speaker 1: This is their check style Amber Lagger. And if you
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  Speaker 1: know me, you know that I'm a sucker for a
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  Speaker 1: good amber beer. And I saw this one on the shelf.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a few other field Days and we've had
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  Speaker 1: a check style dark Lagger. I want to say so
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  Speaker 1: field Day must really enjoy brewing check style beers. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to try this amber beer.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently they're good at it too, because the first thing
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  Speaker 2: I noticed is, uh, there's like a medal on here.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently this beer one bronze in the twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: World Beer Cup. Never heard of the World Beer Cup,
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  Speaker 2: but congrats field Day. I'm really excited to try it.
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  Speaker 2: Says it's a double decoctied, which I have no idea
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  Speaker 2: what that means.
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  Speaker 1: I don't either, but that they've put that on other beers. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: double decocted check style amber Lauger with one hundred percent
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  Speaker 1: check malt and check saz hops.
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  Speaker 2: Alrighty five, Yeah, let's let's give this a try. I'm
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  Speaker 2: really excited. Yeah, you said we've had a handful of
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  Speaker 2: field day beers, and I think all of them have
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  Speaker 2: been at least pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: So uh, be careful on the poor there.
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  Speaker 3: All right?
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  Speaker 2: I like your Austin poor there. Did I take that
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  Speaker 2: coaster with me when I picked up my glass?
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  Speaker 1: I did? They're getting a little sticky.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe we should get another pack of We
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  Speaker 2: have those chlorox wipes down.
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  Speaker 1: There, we got all right, we don't.
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  Speaker 2: We need to get fresh and clean before the season starts.
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  Speaker 1: Clean up the school hot man center.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well the school man school Man's mine out. Alright,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a long day. It's your first day at school.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little tired.
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  Speaker 2: I'd never be able to tell to tell, so all right,
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  Speaker 2: can you tell? We're stalling a little bit to let
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  Speaker 2: the school school.
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  Speaker 1: That's a solid beer right there.
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  Speaker 2: I like that, even even the foam that had flavored
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  Speaker 2: like full flavor Amber Amber Lagger.
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  Speaker 1: Checks the boxes for me, for sure, checks the boxes.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. You heard me kind of like barely
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  Speaker 2: laugh in my head. I started laughing. I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's stupid. I shouldn't say anything. And then you know
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  Speaker 2: me as you just you just went for the joke
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  Speaker 2: that you knew.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to say, honestly, wasn't that intentional, but it
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  Speaker 1: happened that way, and that's that's great.
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  Speaker 2: It made me smile. Yeah, good beer.
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  Speaker 1: Though. I like the maltiness of it. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the best part of it for me, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite attributes of an amber beer
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  Speaker 1: is just that malt flavor. But similar to other beers,
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  Speaker 1: this one just doesn't pretend to be something that it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's straightforward, it doesn't mess around, and it's just good.
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  Speaker 1: And you can see that nice amber color. If you're
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  Speaker 1: watching us on video, can't really see through it. It's dark,
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  Speaker 1: but in a really good way. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we are kind of forcing the world's
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  Speaker 2: hand at Like, okay, it's fall already, Like come on,
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  Speaker 2: darn it, it's fall. It's been a pretty warm summer
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  Speaker 2: for us around here, and it sounds like it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a warmish fall. But this week the temperatures have
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  Speaker 2: gone down like five degrees, so of course I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: hey man, it's almost sweat shirt season, Like let's go,
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  Speaker 2: it's almost football season, and this beer is just right there.
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  Speaker 2: This is the you drink it next to a fire
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  Speaker 2: on a nice chilly autumn night, full amber flavor. Everything
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  Speaker 2: you said about it I completely agree with and just
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  Speaker 2: another added to the list of great field day beers.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't really the breweries doing, but this is nice
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  Speaker 2: and frosty, like it's pretty cold, and I salute you
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  Speaker 2: for doing that because you brought it home. You put
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  Speaker 2: it right in the fridge, and that's adding to it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like another aspect of the refreshingness to it for me.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I like this one a lot. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff. We've got a preseason game to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, pretty uneventful. The Vikings hosted the Ravens
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  Speaker 2: after a few days of joint practices. The Vikings lost
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  Speaker 2: thirteen to three and not a lot of exciting plays
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  Speaker 2: for me. On the Vikings offense, there were two pretty
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  Speaker 2: nice passes, one from JJ McCarthy to I believe ty
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  Speaker 2: Felton for forty ish yards, which that was fun. It
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  Speaker 2: was one of those like he stepped up, he avoided
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  Speaker 2: a hit that JJ did and then he bombed it
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  Speaker 2: and ty Felton, who was covered like pretty well covered,
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  Speaker 2: came down with the ball and made a great catch.
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  Speaker 2: Another one later in the game from Carson Wentz to
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  Speaker 2: I think this one. I might be wrong. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was too Miles Price. I don't know exactly how
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  Speaker 2: far it was, but yeah, another good deep throw. Exciting
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  Speaker 2: and got the stadium going for a few minutes there
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  Speaker 2: after each of those throws. But that's about it for me.
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  Speaker 2: Very defensive game. Some Vikings defenders made some plays, some
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  Speaker 2: Ravens defenders made some plays. Obviously, the Ravens scored more points.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up winning and got the only touchdown of
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  Speaker 2: the game. But yeah, I just for me, it was
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  Speaker 2: like the epitome of a preseason game, like, Okay, why
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  Speaker 2: do I care?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to talk about the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: Because the most important position in sports.
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  Speaker 1: And we can come back to other things, but let's
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  Speaker 1: just you know, let's not bury the lead here and
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  Speaker 1: let's just get down to it. Yeah, we had three
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that came out and made appearances for the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: in order. Was it JJ, then Carson, then Max? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so JJ McCarthy, Carson Wentz then Max finished the game.
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  Speaker 1: Carson and JJ both threw about the same amount of passes.
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  Speaker 1: JJ had ten attempts, Carson had eleven. But we were
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  Speaker 1: comparing notes, and I think we can argue a little
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  Speaker 1: bit because when I look at the stat line, I
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  Speaker 1: see Carson Wentz with ninety two completion yards eight point
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  Speaker 1: four per pass and a one oh one point five
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  Speaker 1: rating compared to JJ McCarthy's eighty one yards eight point
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  Speaker 1: one average and a seventy seven point five rating to me,
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  Speaker 1: same amount of playing time, give or take. Obviously, minutes
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  Speaker 1: on the clock are different than passing attempts, but passing
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  Speaker 1: attempts were about the same. Carson Wentz outperformed, and that's
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  Speaker 1: the second week in a row that he's outperformed JJ McCarthy. Now,
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  Speaker 1: are either of them out there against first team guys
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  Speaker 1: on defense, No, but.
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  Speaker 2: They're also not playing with first team guys on their
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  Speaker 2: own team. That's true, which I think. I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: say this one point and then let you finish your
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  Speaker 2: thought here. I think the Vikings offensive line, after their
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  Speaker 2: first string offensive line, is not doing anyone any favors.
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  Speaker 2: Second team O line looked not great. Anyone else that
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  Speaker 2: they plugged in beyond that not great, not great, Bob.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this team, we talk about quarterback all the time, which,
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  Speaker 2: like I just said, it's the most important position in sports.
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  Speaker 2: But O line is huge, and that's why I think
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  Speaker 2: you see the Vikings making moves like they did over
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  Speaker 2: the offseason, getting Vandam Mark from the Bills and paying
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  Speaker 2: him a little bit of money to get him over.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently they're comfortable with the center position starting wise, but
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  Speaker 2: after that, it's interesting they made some draft draft picks
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  Speaker 2: at the line. They tried a little bit, but outside
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  Speaker 2: of that starting line, it's not great and it's not
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  Speaker 2: helping out receivers on the second team, quarterbacks on the
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  Speaker 2: second team, anybody on the second team, So that should
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  Speaker 2: be thought about as we talk about this the rest
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  Speaker 2: of this segment here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think coming back to quarterbacks for a second,
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  Speaker 1: despite some shoddy O line play by your second third
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  Speaker 1: depth guys, J J. McCarthy only got sacked one time
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  Speaker 1: for six yards. Carson Wentz got sacked two times for
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  Speaker 1: seventeen yards and still put up better numbers. I would
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  Speaker 1: expect those stat lines to be opposite. If you got
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  Speaker 1: sacked more, i'd expect your passing stats to be lower.
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  Speaker 1: If you got sacked less, i'd expect your passing stats
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  Speaker 1: to be higher. Now, to be fair, I didn't watch
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  Speaker 1: the game with my own eyes. You already mentioned JJ
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  Speaker 1: had some nice throws, but he also had that one
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  Speaker 1: just horribly sailed the ball in the end zone to
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  Speaker 1: who is at Miles Price.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was just a couple of plays after
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  Speaker 2: that awesome type Felton catch.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm just gonna lean into what the ESPN
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  Speaker 1: angle on. This is what Adam Schefter is going to
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  Speaker 1: be talking about now. According to my sources, JJ McCarthy
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  Speaker 1: might not he might not make the quarterback two position.
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  Speaker 1: There are rumors inside the building. Okay, Adam, I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to do my best impression there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like your stephen A. Smith impression better.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, apparently that is the talker. I. I think
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  Speaker 2: I said it a lot last week. We said it
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  Speaker 2: a ton of times. I don't put much at all
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  Speaker 2: into the preseason games. Having watched it back again, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't see the whole thing, you know, minute by minute either,
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  Speaker 2: but I saw the like YouTube condensed version. JJ. I'll
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  Speaker 2: give him a compliment, or I'll be on a side
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  Speaker 2: and then be a little realist here, JJ. He completed
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  Speaker 2: five of ten passes. There were a couple of passes
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  Speaker 2: that were right on the money that they for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 2: didn't get caught. It's a team sport, yeah, JJ, and
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  Speaker 2: any quarterback should be the one to elevate the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the team. But he wasn't helped out on every pass. Now,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you can't take away that that tough, awful pass
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  Speaker 2: that would have been a touchdown to Miles Price, but
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  Speaker 2: it was over his head by you know a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't a crazy overthrow, but it was
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  Speaker 2: not an accurate, not an NFL quarterback pass. But having
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  Speaker 2: said that, not all incompletions are JJ's fault. I did get.
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  Speaker 2: I do get the feeling, especially watching back this preseason game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a JJ guy, but like man, a lot of times,
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  Speaker 2: even when the ball's caught, it feels like he's not
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  Speaker 2: putting the ball where it needs to be. He's making
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  Speaker 2: these guys work for these catches where he could have
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  Speaker 2: put it, you know, in the hands or in the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: he puts it just outside. And when you got justin Jefferson,
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  Speaker 2: he's probably gonna catch those just outside balls. When you
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  Speaker 2: have when you're going with the second and third string
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  Speaker 2: guys behind the second and third string Ole line, You can't.
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  Speaker 2: Really you don't have the luxury of being able to
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  Speaker 2: throw close to your receiver. You still have to throw
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  Speaker 2: right at your receiver. And I think that has contributed
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  Speaker 2: to some of the ups and downs of JJ's His
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  Speaker 2: ball just never feels like it's exactly where it needs
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 1: And I would counter some of that with like, shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: you have this figured out in your third season and things? So,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't you, you know, have some proficiency at the position,
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  Speaker 1: which it seems like he lacks. Shouldn't you having had
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  Speaker 1: reps with the first team both in practice and in
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  Speaker 1: preseason games and in the regular season last season for
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  Speaker 1: ten games, right, shouldn't shouldn't you be kind of decent
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  Speaker 1: at this position? And shouldn't you be maybe a little
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  Speaker 1: bit better than you are when you were drafted tenth overall?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think those are the things that Vikings fans
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  Speaker 1: are looking at and kind of grumbling about right now.
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  Speaker 1: Like what I've even heard people say like trade him,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: get him out of here now. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a little extreme. I still think he'll end up making
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  Speaker 1: the roster, but I don't think it's far fetched at
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  Speaker 1: all that we won't see JJ McCarthy under center. If
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray stays healthy. Oh yeah, if Murray's healthy, and
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  Speaker 1: if Carson Wentz continues to play well, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that we see JJ McCarthy come out and start, or
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  Speaker 1: not even start, but come out and play at all
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  Speaker 1: in the regular season. I could see him being that
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  Speaker 1: emergency third string And at that point, if you're KOC,
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  Speaker 1: you're wondering to yourself, is he even worth keeping? Or
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: could we figure out how to move on from him?
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  Speaker 1: Get a little bit in collateral and just you know,
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  Speaker 1: cut the losses and turn a fresh page.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if if you're only listening to ESPN, which
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  Speaker 2: i'm then then JJ McCarthy should be cut right now
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  Speaker 2: and he'd never touch a football ever again, and he's
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  Speaker 2: in jail, and Carson Wentz should take his family over
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  Speaker 2: Like no, I think, Yeah. I think if you really
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  Speaker 2: watch everything, you and by everything, I mean JJ's whole career,
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  Speaker 2: you're seeing a frustrating equation of where JJ sometimes does
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  Speaker 2: things that you're like, man, that's what pro bowlers do.
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  Speaker 2: That's what guys who win playoff games do. That's what
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  Speaker 2: guys who have fifteen year careers and break some records.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they do. But then you also see him
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  Speaker 2: make pass attempts and decisions where you're like, man, I
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  Speaker 2: could hit that receiver ten yards away, you know, like,
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  Speaker 2: why are you making that decision? That's terrible. Obviously you
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't do that. Like it's frustrating because he does Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame type things sometimes. I'm not saying J. J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy's Hall of Famer by any means, but he does
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  Speaker 2: some like crazy awesome things. But then he also does
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  Speaker 2: some things sometimes where it's like, I mean, the high
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  Speaker 2: school quarterback that's gonna play next Friday, he can make
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  Speaker 2: that pass, you know, like, and it's just frustrating. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking in this game we saw a couple of
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  Speaker 2: versions of both scenarios that I just said that Ty
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  Speaker 2: Felton bomb that he made a tough throw and had
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  Speaker 2: his receiver make a tough catch and it was a
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  Speaker 2: great play. That was awesome. That's what Pro bowlers do.
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  Speaker 2: But then a few plays later, when he overthrows Miles
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  Speaker 2: Price for what seemed like an easy ish touchdown, he
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  Speaker 2: missed him and again it wasn't a complete major whiff,
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  Speaker 2: but he still did not give Miles Price much of
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity to catch the ball, which has an NFL
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  Speaker 2: quarterback a tenth overall pick. You have to now, I
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: see you're pulling up here overall stats Carson Wentz versus
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  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, and I will say that I want to
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  Speaker 2: hear your thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: In their first seasons and this stattheadsports reference dot Com
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  Speaker 1: is counting JJ's first season as twenty twenty five, sure.
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  Speaker 2: Because he didn't play in first starting season. However, Carson
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  Speaker 2: Wentz quickly before he tours ACL was an MVP candidate.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I don't think this is a super fair
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  Speaker 2: comparison in twenty twenty six, but I want to hear
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts. So what do you got?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's it's interesting to compare, right, Like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if we're going to look at these guys and say, well,
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  Speaker 1: one's got to be QB two and the other one's
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  Speaker 1: just chopped liver at this point, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I would tend to go with the more historically consistent quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: the one who played at an MVP level when he
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: was younger, and is he older and has he been
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  Speaker 1: banged up in his career? And is he kind of
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: now this journeyman when everybody thought he was going to
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: be the answer when he came out of college. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he is all of those things, and he's not probably
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  Speaker 1: a true starter. I think it was a stretch that
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  Speaker 1: he started games for the Vikings last year, five or six, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: something like that was the first six, I think when
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: JJ was injured.
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  Speaker 2: But no JJ started the first two.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well then it was like six after five or
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  Speaker 1: six after that, I don't know. I would tend to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: lean into Carson Wentz's experience. Yep, he's been around the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: block a few times, and yeah, he's not the player
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  Speaker 1: he once was. Nobody is after they come back from
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: an injury like that, especially at the quarterback position, where
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you've got to be able to plant your foot in
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the ground and make decisive throws. And when your knee
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: has been surgically repaired, you know, that's gonna feel different
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  Speaker 1: for you, and that's gonna, you know, take a long
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: time to come back from. But I still think even
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  Speaker 1: though he's older, he's what going into his tenth year
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in the league, I think you ride that experience and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not a JJ hater. I'm not going
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to sit here and say, oh, the guy's trash, get
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: rid of him, cut him, you know. And I'm not
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: gonna be hyperbolic like you were a minute ago. Oh,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: USPA wants to throw JJ and Jill and you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: turnover custody of his kid to Curson wentten. All, Like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: let's be realistic here. I don't think JJ is a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: bad quarterback, and I don't think he'd be on an
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: NFL roster if he was terrible. But I don't think
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: he's that great. I think he still has a ton
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: of learning to do, and I don't know that he's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: showing the improvement that we want him to show at
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: this point in his career. You're in your third season
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and you missed a pass like you did to Miles Price,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: easy touchdown in a preseason game where you're trying to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: prove something. You make that pass. And it's not like
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Quarterbacks in the NFL aren't just ripping
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: throws praying they find the receiver's hands like they're scientific
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: about it. They are some of them most accurate people
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: with a football. They can put it anywhere you see
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: it all the time. They do the drills where they
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: can drop it into trash cans from fifty yards out
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like he needs to be able to make
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: those passes, and I don't know if he's making them
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in practice and then the heat of the moment just
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: gets to him and he can't do it or what.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: But if you can't do it in a preseason game
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: where you're trying to prove something, then that says something
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: to me. And again, I know that the hype is
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: all around that. That's the highlight that was on ESPN,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and that's what all the talking heads are saying, like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: oh man, if you can't make that throw, And I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: know that I'm I'm playing into that, but I get it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I think I'm just trying to say, like, sure, they're
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: talking about things on a surface level and they talk
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: about every team, thirty two teams at that level. But
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: we've watched every Vikings game for the last I don't
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: know how many years now and for the last four
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: years as a podcast, like we've analyzed a lot. And
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that we're like ball experts, but I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: think we know a thing or two about football, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I think we know good quarterback play. And I don't know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm very much ready to move on from
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: JJ to free things up and just like, let's cut
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the drama. Let's just let's be done with it. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I know that's a controversial thing.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: No it is, but you're allowed to have your own takes.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And I think it's actually really fun that you and
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I completely disagree on this topic and that we're comfortable
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: enough with each other to be able to disagree on
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: this and it's not gonna change anything because the fact
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of the matter is, I think there's a really good
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: chance we're gonna see play out on the field who
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: actually is QB two, Because I don't think Kyler Murray
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: is starting and playing in all seventeen games one hundred
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: percent healthy. He's done it what twice in his career
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: where he's played a full season, maybe three times in
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: his career where he's played a full season. I hope
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: he does. I want Kyler Murray to I want us
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to be sitting here a year from now talking about
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: how the Vikings had to make a tough decision and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: sign Kyler Murray to a big two hundred million dollar deal.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I want that to be the problem that we have,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: because that means we had a great year this year,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But we are probably gonna find out who is gonna
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: start when Kyler Murray needs to miss a game or
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: two or ten because of a foot injury or a
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: concussion or he's a little guy. He's as tall as
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I am. You know he's not gonna hold up, especially
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: after missing out on a full season last year. Again,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: knock on the school Man center. I hope he does,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and I hope he throws for five thousand yards and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: fifty touchdowns and rushers for another thousand. Like physically, he's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: got those kind of video game stats in him. But
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I just don't think it's gonna happen. So one of
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: us will get to in your face to the other
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: one and say I knew it. J. J. McCarthy is
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: QB two and he really should be starting games because
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: he played well. He is Q two, but he shouldn't
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: have been because you played terrible or Carson Wentz is
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the more consistent. He should be QB two, and the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Vikings need to sign him for a four year deal.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: You know, one of us is gonna be able to
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: just fart in the face of the other one, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun. This is gonna get our most
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: viewed episode when you get to like spit in my
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: face about how Carson Wentz is so much better than
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Remember that one time you came into the room here
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and I was messing around with buttons on this little
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: thing and I was programming things. I'm gonna take that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: SoundBite of in your face and I'm gonna program it
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to a button, and then when one of us is
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: right about something, we get the right to hit the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: button and just your face.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: We really should you need on air production meeting, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I'm forcing you due to a lot of work here
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: which I apparently like to do recently for the podcast.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: You should program it all and we should have a
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: nice little soundboard. And that thing you have would be
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: cool right on the school Men Center, just to either
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of us could press the button. It'd be fun. But yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I think I agree with you. I'm ready to kind
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: of be done talking about quarterbacks. But unfortunately, when you
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: have a preseason game where the Vikings scored three points,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: which I'm pretty sure that was the only kick attempt
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that will record had. Yeah, he only attempted one, still perfect,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I believe. On the preseason this year, there's just not
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a lot to talk about. As I'm looking at stats,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the punting battle seems to be going. There were five punts,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Johnny Hecker got three of them, Brett Thorson, the rookie,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: got two of them, and if you're just looking at
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: punting average yards, Hecker had fifty five and Thorston had
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: forty one point five, although Thorston had two touchbacks. I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: don't know that that could be something. I guess at
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: this point, I don't have any inkling on who's gonna
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: win that punting job. Everything else for me pretty mah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: The defense looked pretty good, but I don't that could
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: be because Jacob Thomas, the undrafted rookie, actually is really good,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: or maybe the Raven's just you know, played super vanilla
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and the Vikings based defense is good enough to make
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: everybody look frustratingly bad.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: This game, like most preseason games, I don't think we
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: can take really anything from it other than if you
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: hate how JJ McCarthy played.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think something that would be interesting here is
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to go through the fifty three man roster that we
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: built using Janik at Khart's tool back in episode one,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and we can kind of carry over some of our
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: thoughts that we've already been talking about. You mentioned the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: offensive line a little bit ago. We've beat the horse
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to death on the quarterback conversation, and there's plenty of
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: other positions. I think the running back three position is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: an interesting one that could kind of, you know, come
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: out in the next week or so with who they
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: decided to keep and who they is side to cut.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: But let's go back through that kind of hypothetical fifty
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: three man roster that we built and let's talk about
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: kind of some of these bubble players that are maybe
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: not entirely locks to make the team, and where are
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: they at now after a few more weeks of camp
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and a couple of preseason games. Is their stock rising?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Is it falling? Are they still locks to make the team?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Are they kind of maybe not? So? Yeah, we'll do that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This Yanick Eckharts tool is it's on vikesnow dot
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: com and it's the fifty three man roster tool. If
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you click around, you'll see it on there, and it
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: just lists off each position and then the players at
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: that position, and then there's some like info so if
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you're not really sure who the guys are there is
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: kind of like a yeah, I think Color Murray is
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: a lock to make the roster, but you can still
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: select whoever. It was three or four episodes we made
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: our own, so we'll go back and see how we
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: feel about it now.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's start with the quarterback position. We said
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, JJ McCarthy, and Carson Wentz we're gonna make
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the team. I think Yannick's tool had Kyler and JJ
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in as locks, and then Carson Wentz as likely. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I told you pre show, I think I would flip
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: those two categories for JJ and Carson. I think Carson
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: is the lock. I think JJ McCarthy is likely, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: based on what we just finished talking about, obviously you disagree.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Well. I so my overall thoughts on the quarterback position
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: unless we see some like completely unforeseen like trade, which
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: right now it seems like if they're gonna trade any
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: of them way, it'd be JJ McCarthy or I guess
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Max Brosmer if somebody else found some value and wanted
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: to make sure they got him before he hit the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: open market when the Vikings cut him. But either way,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: for me, I think the Vikings still keep three quarterbacks
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I think those three quarterbacks are you know, Kyler Murray,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy and Carson Wentz. We can debate till our
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: faces are purple on the order of those guys, but
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: we don't have to for this segment. So I think
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Brozemer importantly won't make the He won't make the fifty three.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: They might keep him on the practice squad if he's
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: still available. Some other team made fine value in picking
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: him up. But I think, yeah, you're not gonna start
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: him if you don't have to. But they've already put
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a year of development into him, and I feel like
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: they might just say, hey, you were comfortable with you,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: you're here. Practice squad's there, keep him there all right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Running Back Aaron Jones Jordan Mason still obviously locks, but
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a couple of other guys that have gotten a lot
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of reps. Demon Claiborne, I think has been a really
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: good practice guy, but he hasn't put a lot on
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: tape in these preseason games. His average yard per carry
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: is like under three yards. It's like two point something,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and to me, that's just not gonna get it done.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: You know, you.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Gotta be probably mid threes or four yards per carry.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: If you're going to be in that conversation and Xavier Scott,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: he's the one that we tabbed as the third running back.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I still think he's the guy. I think he's RB
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: three moving forward. He was there last year. I think
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that was our rationale a couple of weeks ago, was
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: he's experienced, he's been around, he knows what he does.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I think Claiborne could be a practice squad guy. I don't.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I haven't really seen too much about k John Owen.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I think he's he was cut okay a week or
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: so ago. There's a there's a different guy, Jeremar Jefferson, Jeffers,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: another JJ. There's so many js. There's at least four
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that I can think of right now. Yeah, for me,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason, and I mean, just off what
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I'm hearing, I'd still give the edge to DeMont Claiborne.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But if that we get cutdown day and they only
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: keep three running backs and it's Savior Scott over Clayborne,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm I'll be a little surprised, but it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: not gonna be like, you know, like, oh my heavens,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna it's not gonna be the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: surprise of the day for me. So oh no. Paul
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Allen on his radio show, I don't know if he
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: still plays it, but he would always have like a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: similar sound bite to that, and it'd be like a
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: oh man, I don't know about that. Just a crowd
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: of people saying stuff like that, and one of them
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: says like mediocre at best, you know, like that that'd
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: be funny to try to get. But anyways, full back, full.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Back Max Bredison, he's gonna make the team.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, sounds like he's not just the only option. They're
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: just happy to have him, and that he's gonna make
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: an impact on the roster or on games in a
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: similar way that C. J. Ham did, you know, throughout
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: his career. So yeah, I think he's a lot.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk wide receiver, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Joy Jennings. I don't think anybody's going to argue with
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you that those are the top three guys. I think
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Felton then Price are easily the next guys after that. Yep,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we said Dylan Bell.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if I'm remembering, I think when we initially
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: did it, we had them at five wide receivers, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: then once we were all said and done, we still
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: had a couple of spots open. So we're like, as
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: we were doing receiver, am I right? Or there were
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: a couple spots that we were like, well, we'll stay
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: here for now and then we can always come back
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to it. And then we did come back and added
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I think Dylan Bell. So that was also in a
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: time where Dylan Bell had had a really good mini
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: camp and OTAs and I feel like, at least on Twitter,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: you know, we haven't heard much from him since I
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: think he had one or two like okay plays he
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: had six catches for fifty one yards against the Ravens.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: But also like this preseason, I don't know, I'm okay
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: with what we said. But again, after the first five,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: anything could happen, and it could be adding Dylan Bell,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: it could be who know, it's Jashawn Jones. Might there's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the other another.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: JJ, Jayshawn Jones, isn't it. Yeah, they pronounce.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: However, I shouldn't say that it's his name. I'm not
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: sure how to pronounce it. But yeah, that guy number
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: eighty two.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: So he actually had a little bit more of an
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: impressive stat line in the preseason game against the Ravens.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Five catches, sixty three yards twelve point six average and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: a long of thirty six. So he had a nice, big,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: splashy play yeah in there.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I still think at the end of the day,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the Vikings probably keep six and maybe Jayshawn Jones gets
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the nod over Dylan Bell just because of you know, equity.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: But there's also I mean, I feel like we've heard
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Dante Fleming's name a couple of times. Whoever that six
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: wide receiver is if they keep six, could be one
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: of a few guys, and I again, I wouldn't be
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: surprised if it's any of them.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: All right, tight end TJ. Howkinson, Josh Oliver, we had
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: those as locks. We said Ben Eurosek was on the bubble.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: We picked him as the third tight end. I think
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the Vikings will almost certainly carry three tight ends on
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. I don't see why you wouldn't,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: just for depth purposes. EuroSec importantly didn't play against the Ravens,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: no reps. Gavin Bartholomew did and he had what was
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: his stat line? Had it there a second ago one
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: cash for fifteen yards.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Remember Bartholomew, I think he was a six round pick
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five's draft and then missed the whole
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: season I think because of a back injury or because
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of injury, so we hadn't seen him at all. But
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: then last year Ben you'rosik was also a rookie and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: played and did okay, I think, so that's where we
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: were going with having your asec on there over anybody else.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But I feel like in camp I've heard Bartholomew's name
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a couple of times in good context, whereas I haven't.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I forgot Ben Esek was on the team, and then
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: obviously bryceon Nesbit. I don't even he may not even
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: be on the roster right now. So for me, if
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I had to make this right now, I'd give Bartholomew
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the nod. But again it's could be either way.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, to the offensive line, we've got offensive
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: tackle obviously, darrisaw Or and O'Neill. Brian O'Neill just signed
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that big extension, so he's locked in for a while,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and both these guys are locked in for a while now,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: so we know that the outside edges are secure.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Dustin Baker tweeted in the last day
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: or so saying something like, Hey, guys, I think it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: important that we all like register that Brian O'Neill and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Christian Darrisaw are both you know, locked in.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: An appreciation like, yeah, let's some love for these guys.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that they're both under contract for the Vikings
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: through the twenty twenty nine season, if not longer. So
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I think the extension Brian O'Neil signed puts him through
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty. But yeah, we've got at least what three
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: four years, and assuming they stay healthy, that's still one
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: of the best tackle tatums in the league. So that's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: that's a nice thing to have.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You referenced Ryan Vandermark earlier coming over from the Bills.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: We had him and Caleb Tiernan as the backups to
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: these two on the outside edge. Anything that you'd change
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: because Walter Rouse, Caleb Etn, Tristan Lee, they were names
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: on the list a few weeks ago.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'd keep those same Darrisaw, Neil, Vandermark, and Tiernan. Yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I think they only keep four tackles and those are
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the guys.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, interior offensive line, I think This might have been
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: one where we were kind of back and forth on
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: how many are they gonna take into the fifty three.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: We landed on five. We had Donovan Jackson, Will Fryes,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Blake Brandell. I don't foresee that changing at all. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: then behind them you've got Michael Jurgens and Gavin Gerhart.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Anything changing with that in your opinion?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: No, from what I've seen and heard, I can't think
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of anything else unless they kept an extra guy. But
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: then you're losing a spot at a different position. Yeah,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I was to put money on it,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: which I won't, those would be my picks for interior
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: offensive line. But again, the last one or two could
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: could change up a little bit.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You never know, all Right, defensive line, we had four guys.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: And this is the three interior defensive linemen.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yep, not the edge rushers or linebackers. These are the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: interior defensive line. Y Onyx tool here had three locks,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Jalen Redmond, Caleb Banks, Dominic Orange. We agreed with that,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and then we also took el presidente LDR Levi Drake
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez as the fourth interior defensive lineman. He's played a lot.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: LDR has played a lot in the preseason, and he's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: looked okay, I think, but you mentioned I think I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it was after the first preseason game.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: You know, he might be one that's, you know, a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: shocking cut candidate on this team. So I guess I
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: haven't really paid too much attention. I know you've got
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: some other notable names. Tyre on Ingram Dawkins has played
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a bit, Taki Taimani has played a little bit.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I think actually Taimani got did he get cut? Well,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: he got I think so it was today were recording
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Monday night, the twenty fourth of August. Timani and I
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: believe another cornerback or defensive back were released with injury
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: designations today. Yeah, cornerback Tyree Chapel Chappelle Chapel and Takei
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Taimani have been wave injured. So if they make it through,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I think waivers happen right now. Either way, there's a
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: chance that they'll just be reverted to the injured reserve
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: this year. So this one's defensive Lineman's interesting to me
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: because there's so many on the team right now on
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the roster as we speak. Because the Vikings when they
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: released Taimani today they signed another defensive lineman, Jonathan Harris,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: who's bounced around the league. He's been I think he
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: spent a year on the Vikings practice squad in the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: last couple of years, so he's coming back. What does
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: that put him at? Like eight or nine defensive linemen
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: on the roster right now. And that's why I think
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: we I think this was another position when we made
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: this fifty three men, as we initially said those top
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: three Redmond, Banks and Orange, and then we were like, well,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: we'll come back because I don't I don't know, they
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: might keep another one. I feel like with they're showing
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that this position needs a lot of bodies right now,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and it's important because they have so many of them
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: on the ninety man roster. This could be a surprising
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: situation where yeah, we think they might keep four, but
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: really maybe they keep six. You know, like, maybe they
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: keep more than we think for some reason, and that
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: could leave the door open for a few guys.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Well interesting that you say that, because we're just scrubbing
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: through the screen cast video that I took while we
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: were oh yeah, and we selected I didn't scrub far
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: enough down and we selected Isaiah louder Milk as a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: bubble candidate as a potential fifth d lineman. Okay, so
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I haven't really heard his name a ton.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I just know he was a free agent signing, a
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: late free agent signing, but he has been I believe
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: with the Steelers for a few years now. Yeah, that's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: that's one that we know the top three for sure.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: We know Redmond Banks and Orange. Banks and Orange because
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you have the first round pick, and then I believe
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Orange was a third round pick, and then Redmond. He's
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be a guy that we're talking about a
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: year from now about how the Vikings or somebody had
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: to pay this guy a bunch of money because they're
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: really good. He's really good. But yeah, there could be
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: four or five like this is one. I'm interested to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: see how the final roster goes, and we talked about it,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I think before we started recording. The final or the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: initial fifty three man roster is set a full two
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: weeks before Week one, the first game, So there's gonna
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: be that Sunday at four pm or whatever time it is.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: We get the notification, we see who made the initial
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: fifty three. Some of those guys won't be on the
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: roster when they when kickoff against the Packers happens two
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: weeks later. There's gonna be some fluidity and some movement,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: but we'll get some clues.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, that defensive line position will be an
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: interesting one to watch because again, like you said, we
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: know who the top guys are, but the rest of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: them are still kind of up in the air. Let's
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: move to the edge rusher position. Andrew Van Ginkle, Dallas Turner,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: they're gonna make the team. No one's questioning that at all.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner played a little bit in the first preseason game,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: had a sack. He looked good. I think we're all
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: excited to just see him come out and just go
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: one hundred and ten percent and just go smoke some
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the backfield, hopefully avoid any penalties and fines
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and just play clean football. Put
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: him on the ground, take care of business. Andrew Van
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Ginkle is the brains. He's super smart. He watches a
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: lot of film, you can tell, yeah, and he's just
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be great. He'll be one of the leaders
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: on that side of the ball for sure. So we
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: had those who has locked and then we said Bo
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Richter as kind of the next guy up, maybe as
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: a backup to either of those two. But I was
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: looking through the stat line from this last game against
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the Ravens, Tyler Batty had some reps Chess. Chambliss was
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: up there on the tackle list. I think he was
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: one of the probably what top five tackles.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Four tackles, he was tied for third.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're playing, and they're they're trying. I
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: think coaches are just trying to see what they've got
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: at this point. So I don't know. I would stick
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: with bo Richter. I think for now, just again there's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: some experience there, But I don't know. It could be
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: an interesting to watch too.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think we said, for handful of positions,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: now we know the top two or three, and then
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: after that this will be fun to see how it goes.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Now, all right, a couple positions left here. Linebacker Blake Cashman,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Eric Wilson. I think this one might be almost set.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I know there are a few other names on this
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: list that show up in like the tackle list from
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the last couple of preseason games, but Cashman, Wilson, Jake Goldey,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and Ivan Pace Junior. I think those three guys are
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: are good. You mentioned Jacob Roberts. He was up there
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in tackles against the Ravens. Bengali Kamara, he showed up
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: in the stat line. He was a little higher last week,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I think in that game than he was this week.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But he's still out there. He's I think he's putting
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: some good stuff on tape. He was considered a long
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: shot before the preseason, and either the coaches just really
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: want to see what he can do, or they have
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: some faith in him and he could be kind of
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: climbing up the ranks a little bit, maybe not to
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: make the team, but maybe a practice excuse me, a
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: practice squad guy.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, So for me, this linebacker, this position, that's
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: this is where we're gonna see the tweets of like,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: oh Man, if we see him at all, because I
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: think Cashman, Eric Wilson, and Jake Golda locks one hundred
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: percent there they are vikings this year and multiple years
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: in the future. I think actually Cashman, he's in a
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: contract year now. I wouldn't be shocked to see him,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: you know, this time next year, hopefully we're talking about
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: how Cashman is still on the team on an extension,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: but that third linebacker position. I think Ivan Pace he's
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: on the team right now because he was restricted free agent,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I believe, and the Vikings tendered him at some of
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the lowest they could tender him, so he doesn't I
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: don't think have any guaranteed money, but I think he's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: slated to make like three ish million dollars this year,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and if any of those guys are going to lose
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: their job to undrafted rookie like Jacob Roberts or someone
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: else fighting for life to make the team, this might
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: be Ivan Pace's, you know, last chance. And for all
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: we know, it's already a lock that Ivan Pace is
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: going to make the teams, probably why he hasn't played
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: too much, or it's a given that it'll It'll be
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: interesting to see how this goes, because I think either
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Pace makes the team or he's an easy one to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: lose his job and save some cap and see what
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: other guys are made of. Not that I'm hoping Pace
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: is gone by any means, but there's a couple other guys,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Roberts and Kamara specifically, that have flashed a little bit
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: in the preseason, and that's just in games that we've seen.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: We haven't been at practices, we haven't you know, been
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: in the meetings to see how these guys are developing
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: off of the preseason game playing field. This one will
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: be and it probably the most interesting position to watch
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: because it's the easiest to predict something cool or interesting happening.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna speculate that Brian Floor has a soft
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: spot for Ivan paced Junior. I'm just gonna say that
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: out loud. Okay, could be wrong, could be totally off base.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe b Flow is super objective and he's like, no
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: best man's gonna play, But I don't know, I think
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: there's a soft spot there. Maybe I'm projecting that a
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: little bit because I like, I haven't Paced Junior too well.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think you can make that case pretty
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: easily because the couple things about Brian Flores and this
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Vikings defense during his tenure. Young rookie defenders typically don't
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: play a lot in Brian Flora's defense, and I think
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: that's because Flores trusts guys a lot, so he doesn't
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: you know, he won't pull a cashman for a few
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: plays when other coaches might give him a couple of
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: plays off or something like that, but also like it's
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: a tough defense to learn, so rookies usually don't grasp
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: it very well. But if we remember Ivan Pace his
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: rookie year, he was an undrafted rookie. He made the
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: team and he played a lot and he played well,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and then after that it kind of he kind of
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: got exposed a little bit. And it got to the
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: point last year where it was like, oh, if we
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: see I've in Pace on the field during a defensive
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: play and not special teams. I think I told you
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: every time, like, oh there's pace, he's gonna blitz, Like
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that's all he did when he got on the field,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: because apparently that's all they were comfortable with him doing,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: is being the blitzer, but just throwing. Going back to Flores,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: he doesn't play a lot of young guys on defense,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: but I've in Pace is one of the few young
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: guys on defense that did play in his rookie year.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: So maybe you're right, maybe there is a little bit
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: of a soft spot. But that was a couple of
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: years ago too, so we'll see how it keeps playing out.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: And I would just add with that, like maybe that's
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: all that. Maybe that's the role he wants I've in
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: pace to play. Maybe that's you know, like, I don't know.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I think of the line from uh remember the Titans
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: where the one of the opposing coaches says something like, yeah,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: they're trained to just knock the chocolate out of people
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: or something like that, Like maybe that's just what he does,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Like he's just this you know, snarling dog that just
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: chases down the meat on the other side of the line,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Like that's what he does.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, knock the chocolate out of meats. That's awesome.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: You know what it means. It's a euphemism for something.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: We're a family friendly show here, what do you mean?
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Although apparently most of our episodes have an E, the
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: explicit E next to it. If you ever pay attention
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: on Apple podcasts how I consume us, there's always an E,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and there was a reason for a handful episodes there
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: that I was like, ah, this is probably why. But
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: ever since, like, I don't, I don't get it. We
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: drink beer, but that's it. We don't we actively tell
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: people who shouldn't drink beer not to drink beer. I
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: don't know why we.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Have family friendly podcast. I think you're listening, all right,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: let's move on to the cornerback position Byron Murphy Isaiah Rodgers. Locks.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Those were locks back then. There's still locks now. James
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Pierre yep. Likely.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I think i'd almost say locked for him for me.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Charles Demings, Chuck Demmings, I think he's another lock.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yep and I would agree. And he's also developed kind
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of a funny role.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: He's a prophet.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: He's been named to the prophet of the team, which
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I like. I think that's kind of fun. Uh. And
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: then I think you're if you're gonna take five cornerbacks,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Dwight mcglotherin. He's been up there, but
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: this could be another one that's like, well, could be
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a couple of people's. Amaia Vaughn is up there. Marcus Allen,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he got any reps in this
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: last game, but uh, Daveon Armstead and Tyreek Chapel. Was
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Chapel or Chappelle? Was he the one that you said
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: got cut?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just got wave injured. So okay, if unless
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: somebody picks him up, I believe he'll revert to the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Vikings injured reserved, unless it's like an injury settlement where
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: the Vikings are like, oh yeah, we'll just pay you
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: off and.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Here you go.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: So where are we at with corners?
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: This one's tough for me. I think those top four Murphy, Rogers,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Pierre and Chuck Demmings, they're on the team for sure.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: After that, I genuinely have no idea. It could be
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: any of the guys that are currently on the team.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: This could be a spot that I mean, how many
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: years in a row have we said, Man, the Vikings
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: need more cornerback defensive back depth. It's been an issue
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: for them for a long time. But now it seems
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: like when you have four guys that I mean, maybe
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: they're not all all pros, but they're at least we're
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: comfortable saying they're good enough they're going to make the
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: team for sure. You need more than four cornerbacks. How
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: many do we pick When we made the choices a
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: few weeks ago we picked five?
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Five?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think those four for sure, there's going to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: be at least five on the roster. And maybe it
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: is Dwight mclothern white like we chose. Maybe it's a
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: guy another team cuts, Maybe This is where I feel
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: like in Floresa's defense, the whole defensive back positions, the cornerback, safeties,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: all that kind of morph into each other. So maybe
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: you see one less cornerback but two more safeties, and
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe there's some movement there. Yeah, outside
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: of that top four, I'm not sure, but I think
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: there will be more than them.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: All, Right, Safeties Josh Mattelis we said was a lock.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: We also had j Ward Theo Jackson, and Jacoby Thomas.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: They were all listed as likely on the tool. We
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: said they're in, and then we did not include Tavier Thomas,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Khalif Halassie and Jacob Thomas. Halassie and Jacob Thomas played
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: quite a bit. Jacob Thomas led the team in tackles. Yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Khalif hilass he had four. What about Jacob, No, Tavier Thomas.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Was Tavier Thomas playing well?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: So?
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Tavier Thomas was one of the first of the like
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: impending free agents this offseason that the Vikings signed of
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: their own, So that would tell you maybe they like
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: him a lot, But I don't know much about him.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I know he had a holding call that called back
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: one of Miles prices would be maybe touchdown returns from
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: the twenty five season, But apparently they like him a lot,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: and I think he does mostly okay on special teams.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I think safety. I just roll it back to what
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I said about cornerback and the whole defensive back. This
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: is gonna be wild because when we initially did this selection,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Jacob Thomas was like, oh, is that a typo? Because
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I know they drafted Jacoby Thomas. But now Jacob Thomas
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: has really come on the scene for the Vikings in
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: these preseason games. Now is that real life or is
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: that just like, oh, he's kind of a baller during
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: preseason when you're going up against nobody else. I think
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: of Lewis scene and was at this time last year
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Lewis scene had that like crazy preseason game against the
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Browns and it's like, man, maybe this guy finally figured
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: it out. And then a week later the Vikings had
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: cut him. So maybe that maybe Jacob Thomas is real.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: If you look at vikesnow dot com and some of
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: the articles they've been writing and some of the way
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: they've been you know, Yanick and Dustin over there have
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: been talking about Jacob Thomas. They seem to think this
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: is the real deal and he's he's legit. He's gotten
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities because Jacoby Thomas has been nicked
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: up a lot of training camp and hasn't really at
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: least publicly fans in the stands and you know, on TV,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: we haven't really seen him too much. But obviously that's
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: not everything. Coaches see and know more than we do. Yeah,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: this is tough, and we haven't even mentioned Harrison Smith.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Do they have too many decent defensive backs and safeties
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: that they would turn Smith away? I wouldn't like that.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I think this group is better if you add Harrison
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Smith's name to this. I genuinely have no idea how
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: this position's gonna work out. And the initial fifty three
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: is going to look different than the week one packer
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: fifty three, which will look different than Week ten's fifty
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: three men roster. Just looking at the safety position, it'll.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Be an interesting one to watch, for sure. I don't
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: think there's anything that we're not expecting on special teams.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I think even the punting position has been decided now.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe for you, not for me. I don't really know.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Hecker seems to have had one better kick in this
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Ravens game, but we also don't know how it's going
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: in pre That's when I could flip a coin and
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: not be surprised whether Hecker or Brett Thorson wins that job.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Interesting we picked Hecker, I think, yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Off of like experience, experience, Yeah, yeah, will record Andrew Depaula.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: They'll be coming back. There's no reason that they won't.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: That's it. I mean it took us a little bit,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: but we did it. And I don't know, Uh, there's
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: still a lot of question marks with one preseason game
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and two weeks. Yeah, so three weeks.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I think this roster, if everything's the same outside of
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the quarterback position, I think this is a Vikings team
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: that if they had a quarterback that was I'll even
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: go back to like twenty twenty two Kirk Cousins. If
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: they had twenty twenty two Kirk Cousins on this roster
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: right now and everything else was the same, you take
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: away one of the you don't have Kyler Murray or
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: you don't have JJ McCarthy, something like that. This is
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: a roster that is talked about that could beat the Rams,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and that could a lot of people would be thinking
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: you know this is a super Bowl type team right
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: now because there's not a lot of scary positions. There's
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: not a lot of like they don't have any offensive line. Yeah,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: we could talk about backup offensive line. But if everyone
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: thing's healthy and everyone plays a way we think they should,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: including Kyler Murray, this is a roster that should be
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: talked about a lot better than it is. And I
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: think the big thing is that quarterback position, which is legitimate.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I mean that's the biggest position in sports, and if
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: we had that figured out, it'd be a lot better.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: What do you think just overall?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's a competitive roster.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see how it shapes up. I don't
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: know that we're going to see a ton of surprises.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I think we've we've done a pretty thorough job of
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: keeping track of the ins and outs of who's come in,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: who's left, who's been performing well, who hasn't in these
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: training camp days and the preseason games and stuff. So
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I don't expect the Vikings to like be these like
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: headline news breaking team, you know, like there's always those big,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: those big announcements that come out about this time. I
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: don't expect the Vikings to be there. I think they're
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: gonna be kind of flying under the radar, and especially
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: now that the quarterback thing has been settled at least
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: QB one, Yeah, yeah, has been settled. You know that
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: was big like a week and a half ago, Like, oh,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: they named Kyler Murray the starter, Like okay, yeah, we
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: kind of all expected that. But there's really nothing else
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: out there for the media to latch onto and just
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, wow, that's crazy.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: So I think I think that's a good thing. Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I think to be kind of subdued, fly on to
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: the radar, just show up, play Week one against the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Packers and see what will happen. I think that's all
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: the Vikings could ask for at this point. And I
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: think the coaches will make the best decisions to put
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: the right guys on the field, and yeah, those guys
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: just have to go out and play.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I honestly also think, like, yeah, the sexy
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: talker for the Minnesota Vikings right now, especially on ESPN,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: is Oh it's Carson Wentz QB two is he has
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: he even usurped JJ McCarthy. We spent a lot of
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: time on it. You know this episode, we won't even
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: be thinking about talking about that come week four or five.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Like I know, I just alluded to the fact that
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I think Kyler Murray is going to miss a few
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: games this year if he's healthy all year. We only
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: die hard Vikings fans. They're only you and I are
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: going to be the only ones bringing up JJ McCarthy's name.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Everything else is gonna be like, oh man, is justin
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Jefferson MVP? You know, like it's gonna be other things
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: to think out about for this team. And I'm very
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: excited for that. I'm kind of you said it earlier
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: and I, you know, parroted you. I'm done talking about
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: backup quarterback at this point. You said it a minute ago.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I thank goodness they named a starter over a week ago.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: We haven't had that headline to deal with, like the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Browns right now they're dealing with that QB one headline.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Let's just start, Let's just play games. I'm over these
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: preseason games. Let's go.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm not over is this beer?
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: This beer is really good as I've been drinking it,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and now I'm almost done with the second one. Here
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I get some CARAMELI vibes, yeah, a.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Little bit, yeah, which is the whole amber.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's subtle, but not all amber beers have that.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: But I really like that. And I also get like
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: kind of like root beer float vibes, not like the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: like true root beer flavor that you get with root beer.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: It's not root beer flavored beer, but just the like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the creaminess. And I don't know there's something in it
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: that kind of has that. I wonder if maybe there's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: some vanilla or something in the beer. But it's super
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: good and I like it. It's a solid amber beer.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I may have found the reason. Oh all right, so
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: decoction we mentioned on the can it says that it's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: a double decocted beer, and I said, I had no
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: idea what that means. According to Jemini Jemini, double decocted
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: beer is made using a traditional brewing method where a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: portion of the grain mash is removed, boiled in a
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: separate kettle, and returned to the main mash twice, so
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: not to bore everybody. And you make beer, you boil
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a bunch of water, you add all the grains and everything,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: and then you get that up to a boil for
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: an hour or so and then you do a few
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: other things. So this is saying that the process of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: having a double decocted beers, like during that adding all
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: the grains making it the quote unquote mash, you apparently
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: take a portion of it out and boil it separately.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: So maybe that messes with the chemistry the flavor profile.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: So that might be the whole caramelization or whatever flavor
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: you're you're getting there, because I get it too. Either way,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I'm glad they do it the way they do over
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: at field Day. I can see why this amber Lagger
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: is an award winner, and it's almost better that an
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: amber Lagger is the bronze the bronze medal winner just
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: based off color alone. I really like this. I enjoy
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: it you have. I wasn't fighting it, but you fully
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: brought me into the world of loving amber laggers. Those
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Octoberfest there's like full flavored beers. I know Octoberfest are
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: an amber Laggers, but I still am an ip a lover,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: but also like I'm broadening my flavor palette and ambers
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: are super delicious too.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I think this is a gold medal beer in my opinion.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Now I don't know what they were up against at
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: the World Beer Cup. But give them the gold.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: They get the Skull Hop Gold Medal, which I don't
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: think we are given to any other beer. There's another
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  Speaker 2: sound effect.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Well, you got to tell the people where they can
• 1:02:30
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• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you're an avid listener at this point,
• 1:02:35
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• 1:02:49
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• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I think we have a few solid listeners, so those
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: guys know where to find us. But if you're not
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: one of those guys, just google us the skull Hop
• 1:03:00
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• 1:03:05
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• 1:03:14
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• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: We don't get much for it, but it's still cool
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• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: And I like that if you build it, they will
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: come and they're not.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Far from there. Thank you for not whispering that. By
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the way, isn't it whispered?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: And I don't know since I've watched that movie, And.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: If you want to hear Evan and I whisper. We
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: had a whole episode a year or so ago where
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: we had to whisper as a purple punishment. That may
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: be our our least listened to episode of all time.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even understand understandably, so well, I think you
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: would agree with me. This was a great beer. I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: thought we had a great episode. It might be the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: best episode.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, school, I think I.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Think I a