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#768 - iPhone 6 vs Tesla Parents · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the
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  Speaker 1: time poor parent who just once answers now leave.
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  Speaker 2: Blow up parents very loud and aggressive. They don't actually
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  Speaker 2: deal with stuff so much as dramatically blow it around
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  Speaker 2: so that someone else will clean it up.
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  Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom
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  Speaker 1: and Dad.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight at happy families dot com dot au, we are
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  Speaker 2: running a webinar. I can't wait for you to have
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  Speaker 2: a go at this webinar. It's based on my brand
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  Speaker 2: new book, The Parenting Revolution by me.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have to have read the book?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor justin couson. This book came out approximately twenty days ago.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just asking, can you have to have read the book?
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  Speaker 2: You've had twenty days? You haven't read my book? Have you?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe not?
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  Speaker 2: Have you really not?
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  Speaker 3: Is on my bedside, right, it's almost at the top
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  Speaker 3: of the hog.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, what are you prioritizing over the Parenting Revolution?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a few in normals. So here's the thing. In
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  Speaker 3: my defense, when I don't have a lot of time,
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  Speaker 3: I need to read a novel because it only takes
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  Speaker 3: a few days, right, Whereas your book is not going
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  Speaker 3: to take me a few days because if I know
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  Speaker 3: anything about anything. It's that this is going to hurt
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  Speaker 3: my brain a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what? I have had so many people
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  Speaker 2: already email me, text me, jump onto Facebook and say
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  Speaker 2: that their book has arrived, that they've read it, that
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  Speaker 2: they've loved it. In fact, somebody just the other days
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  Speaker 2: that they loved it so much they ordered four more
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  Speaker 2: for their friends.
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  Speaker 3: Do they have my six kids?
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  Speaker 2: Well, hope, but nobody has your six kids. We have
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  Speaker 2: our six kids.
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  Speaker 3: So in my personal circumstances, I haven't had time.
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  Speaker 2: Right well, I don't know whether to be offended.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe you're giving me a hard time. It's
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  Speaker 3: about not reading your book.
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  Speaker 2: It's my brand new book. My next book that I'm
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  Speaker 2: in the process of researching for is about raising boys,
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  Speaker 2: about bringing up boys. You're not going to read that
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  Speaker 2: one either.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, probably definitely not read.
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  Speaker 2: So for those of you who and you do the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: I'm justin call you my wife mum to our six doors.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I probably read the book a hundred
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  Speaker 3: times over with the amount of things that I listen
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  Speaker 3: to from you day in day out.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying you could teach it so well, you don't
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  Speaker 2: need to.
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  Speaker 3: Not saying that at all. I'm happy for you to
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  Speaker 3: have your place in society, but I will say that
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  Speaker 3: there won't be much in there that I'll read that
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  Speaker 3: will be new to me because the conversations we have
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  Speaker 3: are ongoing and regular.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think I've written a really good book, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not a good book, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that you'll enjoy it. You might even see a
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  Speaker 2: side of me.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it might feature in book Club in a few months.
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  Speaker 3: You never know, in book Club, book book Club when
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  Speaker 3: we do our book reviews.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, of course book Club on the podcast. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right, well let's be patient.
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  Speaker 2: I'm nervous about that. That that does. Let's get on
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  Speaker 2: with the podcast with.
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  Speaker 3: About my three star rating? Is that what you're writing?
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  Speaker 2: Don't you dare? If five star rating? I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you're ever going to be invited back onto this
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  Speaker 2: podcast again. All right, we need to talk about tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight's webinar. For those of you who are Happy Families members,
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  Speaker 2: in their lives and their families is so substantial ongoingly,
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  Speaker 2: even if I say the same thing over and over again,
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  Speaker 2: it makes that much your difference. Anyway, tonight we're doing
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  Speaker 2: rarely sort of push and sell stuff on the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: but today I want to tell you about the webinar.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have a few questions personally, Are you going
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  Speaker 3: to charge me thirty five dollars to attend?
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable? Yeah, I think that I will because you give
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  Speaker 2: me such a hard time. You can sit here in
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  Speaker 2: the office with me while I do the webinar and
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  Speaker 2: you can hear it for free. I'll let you come
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  Speaker 2: to the office. I might have more important things, like
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  Speaker 2: reading the book that the webinar's about.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, so I'm interested to know though you talk about
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  Speaker 3: parenting styles. And we've heard about parenting styles for years, yes,
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  Speaker 3: and this concept that there's all these different ways and
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  Speaker 3: there's a right way and there's the wrong way. But
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  Speaker 3: what have parenting styles traditionally been.
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  Speaker 2: So this is what we're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 2: in the webinar. We're going to talk about parenting styles
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  Speaker 2: and the parenting style that I advocate as being the
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  Speaker 2: best one to raise the most likely to thrive children.
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  Speaker 2: So typically when you talk to any psychologists, they'll draw
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  Speaker 2: a little two by two square like four boxes, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like a box with a cross throwers.
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  Speaker 2: You've got four boxes? Have I that makes sense? Okay? Great?
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  Speaker 2: And handball cord perfect if that's what it's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: And if you can imagine, you've got two dimensions, so
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  Speaker 2: you've got responsiveness on one dimension and demanding this on
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  Speaker 2: the other dimension. In the nineteen fifties nineteen sixties, a
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  Speaker 2: couple of research is a guy called Earl Shaffer in
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  Speaker 2: the fifties and then Diana Bormer in the nineteen sixties.
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  Speaker 2: Their colleagues they were looking at parenting and they were like,
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  Speaker 2: this is the main stuff that parents seem to do.
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  Speaker 2: They're either warm and loving to their kids or they're
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  Speaker 2: placing demands on their kids. And by the time we
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  Speaker 2: got into the nineteen nineties, a couple of other really
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  Speaker 2: smart researchers maccaby and Martin Ellen or Macabey and I
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  Speaker 2: think it was John Martin, they put together this two
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  Speaker 2: by two grid and decided that this would be a
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  Speaker 2: great way to conceptualize it. Now, there was a third
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  Speaker 2: part to both Bormran and Shafer. They talked about this
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  Speaker 2: thing called autonomy support, but it kind of disappeared like,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm going to use a religious motif for a
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  Speaker 2: second to highlight what I'm talking about. Okay, So you've
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  Speaker 2: got three things autonomy, support, responsiveness and demanding. This you're
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  Speaker 2: with me, yep, Okay, hold that in the left hand
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  Speaker 2: side her brain for a second, and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: engage the right hand SIETYR brain for a second when
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  Speaker 2: I talk about the cross. Okay, so we're going to
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  Speaker 2: use a Christian motif. Here for a second, when I
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  Speaker 2: talk about the cross, what do you think of specifically
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  Speaker 2: from a not not from a religious perspective, but what
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  Speaker 2: did the cross look like?
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  Speaker 3: Two lines?
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  Speaker 2: Two lines? Okay? And where are they situated? How are
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  Speaker 2: they drawn?
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  Speaker 3: If you were to draw the line and the short
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  Speaker 3: line okay, intersecting each.
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  Speaker 2: Other, yep, in what shape and a cross? And in
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  Speaker 2: a plus sign and a plus sign? Okay? So the
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  Speaker 2: short line is crossing over the long line. I need
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  Speaker 2: some more information here. What you're trying to say is
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  Speaker 2: that the long line is vertical, it goes up. The
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  Speaker 2: short line is horizontal, it goes across the vertical line.
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  Speaker 2: Think like this, You clearly don't. But here's what I
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  Speaker 2: find really fascinating about this. We have all of these illustrations.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to be Christian to know that when
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about the cross from a religious point of view,
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  Speaker 2: that's what it looks like. It looks like a letter T,
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  Speaker 2: a small letter T that's been stuck in the ground
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  Speaker 2: and somebody's been crucified on it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating is I've dug into this a little bit
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  Speaker 2: because of our own background and the cross that the
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  Speaker 2: Romans would use for crucifixions. To create a cross that
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  Speaker 2: looked like a small letter T was actually quite a
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  Speaker 2: challenge from an engineering point of view. And there are
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  Speaker 2: some religious scholars and some historians that I argue that
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  Speaker 2: the cross didn't necessarily look like that. In fact, it
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  Speaker 2: might have been more like a capital T, or it
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  Speaker 2: could have even been more like an X.
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  Speaker 3: I say, more like an X.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so we have this conceptualization that that's what
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  Speaker 2: a cross is supposed to look like because we've seen
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  Speaker 2: so much art depicting the cross looking like a small
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  Speaker 2: letter T. Okay, that's a big tangent, but it applies
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  Speaker 2: a lot to what I'm about to talk about with
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  Speaker 2: parenting styles. I remember I said that there are three
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  Speaker 2: dimensions that Bormeran and Schaeffer and many others have talked about,
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  Speaker 2: with autonomy support being a critically important dimension. But when
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  Speaker 2: this two two diagram of parenting styles was designed, they
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  Speaker 2: only included responsiveness and demanding. This autonomy support was never
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  Speaker 2: put in it. And so if you talk to any
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  Speaker 2: psychologist nowadays, you talk to them about what makes a
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  Speaker 2: great parent, they're almost guaranteed to pull up this little
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  Speaker 2: two by two table with responsiveness and demandingness. And they'll say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you can be high on responsiveness and high on demandingness,
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  Speaker 2: or you can be low on both, or you can
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  Speaker 2: be high on one on low on the other, or
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  Speaker 2: vice versa low on one and high on the other.
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  Speaker 2: And we have names for them. We call when you're
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  Speaker 2: high on responsiveness and high on demanding this that means
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  Speaker 2: lots of love and lots of limits. We call that authoritative.
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  Speaker 2: That's always been seen as the gold standard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're seen as highly demanding but very low
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  Speaker 2: on responsiveness, not that warm but just lots of rules,
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  Speaker 2: you're seen as authoritarian. Yeah that's right, my way to
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  Speaker 2: the highway. And conversely, if you're really high on responsiveness
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  Speaker 2: but low on demanding, this you're seen as being all
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  Speaker 2: lovey dovey and permissive. Yeah, that that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're low on both, you perceived as being neglectful. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So that that's the parenting style model that's existed and
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  Speaker 2: being popularized. And that's why it was it just.
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  Speaker 3: Because there wasn't like two boxes looked better than three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like to create.
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  Speaker 3: How is it that they already actually had come to
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  Speaker 3: the conclusion that autonomy support was important, but it never
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  Speaker 3: made the model.
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  Speaker 2: And never made the model, and so we've got this
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  Speaker 2: model of parenting that has evolved out of the out
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  Speaker 2: of the shape that was created by the researchers that
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  Speaker 2: missed the fundamental, absolutely essential component that makes parenting work best.
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  Speaker 2: And that's essentially what we're going to talk about tonight.
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  Speaker 2: How do we get this autonomy support into the model
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  Speaker 2: and how does that change the other stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, were you talking about autonomy supportive?
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  Speaker 2: Like I and and I'm also getting really geeky as
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  Speaker 2: well in sciencey, and I apologize for that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you you talk about this idea of you know,
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  Speaker 3: the mental picture that's created by a cross For instance,
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  Speaker 3: if you said tiger parenting, everybody has an instant, yes,
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  Speaker 3: image of what a tiger parent would look like and
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  Speaker 3: what their interactions with their children would be like. But
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  Speaker 3: you say autonomy supportive. And we've had this conversation plenty
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  Speaker 3: of times where people are gone, so you're talking about
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  Speaker 3: soft parenting. Yeah, so what is autonomy supportive parenting? What
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  Speaker 3: does it actually look like?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't actually call it autonomy supportive parenting.
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  Speaker 2: I call it needs supportive parenting because the autonomy is
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  Speaker 2: not the only need. And essentially what we're doing is
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  Speaker 2: so those other parenting styles that we're talking about in
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  Speaker 2: terms of authoritative and authoritarian, they're all about how the
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  Speaker 2: parent does things to the child, like how much nurture
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  Speaker 2: the parent gives to the child, how many limits and
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  Speaker 2: demands the parent places on the child. So it's very
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  Speaker 2: much parent centric, whereas needs supportive parenting is very much
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  Speaker 2: about how the parent creates an environment so the child
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  Speaker 2: can have intrinsic motivation and doesn't need things done to them. Like.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fundamental shift. That's what I've called it the
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  Speaker 2: parenting revolution, because it's a fundamental shift in how we
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  Speaker 2: approach parenting. And you're right, like, you can talk about
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  Speaker 2: free range parenting in like ten seconds and people get it. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's parents who are pretty cruisy to let the kids
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  Speaker 2: go and hang out and explore their boundaries. And you
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  Speaker 2: can talk about helicopter parenting and everyone knows, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: parents who hover over their kids and it's aff make
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  Speaker 2: sure that they're safe all the time. And you know
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  Speaker 2: that detachment pairing is all about being close to the
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  Speaker 2: kids that stuff just in it makes sense and it's
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  Speaker 2: so easy, and that's what I hate. Like, I spent
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  Speaker 2: months trying to think of a better name than needs
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  Speaker 2: supportive parenting. It's the worst name ever. Well, no, it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's the worst name ever. So if I was to
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  Speaker 2: describe or time be supportive parenting, it's not about what
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  Speaker 2: we do to the child. It's about how we create
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  Speaker 2: an environment that helps child with thrife, and we do
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  Speaker 2: that by meeting their three basic psychological needs. Any who's
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  Speaker 2: listened to the podcast for a little while knows this
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  Speaker 2: stuff because I really do talk about it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: As humans and food. As humans, we all have three
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  Speaker 2: basic psychological needs. Food food is not a psychological need.
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  Speaker 3: I think there would be plenty of parents that would
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  Speaker 3: be different.
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  Speaker 2: So they are related in the it's a sense of belonging,
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  Speaker 2: being involved and connected. Competence. Competence from a parenting point
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  Speaker 2: of view is about how we establish boundaries and limits
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  Speaker 2: and routines and rhythms so our kids know how to
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  Speaker 2: how to act in the environment with a degree of mastery.
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  Speaker 2: And the third one is autonomy. That is, they've got
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  Speaker 2: to have a sense of choice in their lives, and
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  Speaker 2: there are really strong relationships between meeting those needs and
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  Speaker 2: how motivated our kids are intrinsically motivated to do well,
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  Speaker 2: to thrive, to develop, to grow.
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  Speaker 3: Can you come up with another word for autonomy that
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  Speaker 3: starts with see doesn't choice?
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  Speaker 2: Choice, control, connection, competence and control like that? Maybe I've
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  Speaker 2: said it a few times. Yeah, but we want to
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  Speaker 2: be in control of our lives. Yeah, okay, So there's
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  Speaker 2: a big relationship between meeting those needs and how motivated
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  Speaker 2: people are intrinsically motivated. And there's a big relationship between
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  Speaker 2: meeting those needs, that is, being a need supported parent
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  Speaker 2: and your child's well being and resilience, I mean profoundly important.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you want to listen to doctor Justin Coulson
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  Speaker 3: geek out, then it sounds like tonight's webinar. It's going
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  Speaker 3: to be perfect.
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  Speaker 2: I promise it's not going to be a geek out.
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  Speaker 2: We've actually geeked out way more in this conversation than
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to change tech because I just want.
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  Speaker 2: To highlight it's going to be a practical webinar. It's
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  Speaker 2: thirty five bucks. If your Happy Family's member, you can
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  Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of stuff that we've already talked
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  Speaker 2: about here that's really useful information. Like I'm giving away
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  Speaker 2: a lot of really great info here in the podcast
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  Speaker 2: because I know not everyone can afford the webinar. You
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  Speaker 2: want to attend the webinar but just can't afford it,
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  Speaker 2: So I want people to have access to this. It really,
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  Speaker 2: really really matters anyway.
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  Speaker 3: What you're going to say, Well, you're giving me a
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  Speaker 3: hard time because I haven't read your book, but I
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  Speaker 3: have wrote the back cover.
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  Speaker 2: That's so good.
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  Speaker 3: And you've got this whole line in here about Tesla
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  Speaker 3: parents and leaf blower parents and iPhone six parents. What
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  Speaker 3: the heck are you talking about? All right?
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  Speaker 2: So there was this guy who wrote an article in
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  Speaker 2: The Atlantic. I don't read a lot, but there's some
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  Speaker 2: pretty good articles in Atlantic. I think it's a high
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  Speaker 2: quality leaf blower.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the dad that sicks the leaf blower on
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  Speaker 3: the swing and the kids swing around with the leaf blower? No,
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  Speaker 3: it's not. Oh okay.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy called j Martel wrote this article in
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  Speaker 2: the Atlantic, and what he's basically said is helicopter parents
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  Speaker 2: are a passe.
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  Speaker 4: They're so last year's model, so last year and so
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  Speaker 4: what he's come up with, and I didn't include them
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  Speaker 4: all in the book, but a couple of them that
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  Speaker 4: I think we're just brilliant leaf blower parents, very loud
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  Speaker 4: and aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: They don't actually deal with stuff so much, just dramatically
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  Speaker 2: blow it around so that someone else will clean it up.
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  Speaker 2: He came up with what was the other one that
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned? iPhone six? Yeah, Tesla parents. I love I
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  Speaker 2: love the Tesla parent. This is probably my favorite one.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole thing quiet attractive and ostensibly better for
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  Speaker 2: the world, but loathed by other parents for how sanctimonious
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: they are. And what was the other one? The iPhone Yeah,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: this is just sublimely so funny. He says. An iPhone
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: six parent is old, sluggish and often slow on the uptake,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: although sometimes more reliable than more up to date parents,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: despite being quirky and often cracked.
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  Speaker 3: You know, talking about old parents. While we were on
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: the cruise, our kids' friends that they'd made couldn't believe
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: how attractive you and I were. I couldn't work out
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: what was going on. It was because all their parents
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  Speaker 3: were in their sixties.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: We had had a young family, We were young. And
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: you want to hear a couple more of these as
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: we wrap up the podcast. There's some really funny ones here.
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  Speaker 2: There's the past to maker parents pastor maker Yep. They
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  Speaker 2: rolled teachers, babysitters and other people's kids flat and then
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  Speaker 2: slice them up into different shapes depending on their whims
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  Speaker 2: and what works best with the source made from pushy relatives,
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: nannies and admissions officers. And there was the trash compactor parents.
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  Speaker 2: They make every member of the family do things whether
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: they want to or not. Also, the air fry parents
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  Speaker 2: either completely shut down or blasting intense heat, causing a
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  Speaker 2: protective crust to form around their children are considered healthier
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: since they don't use conventional methods but end up being
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: just as bad for you as everyone else. I just
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: think so J Martell. We will link to that in
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: the show notes about how Helicopter Parents are last year's
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: model and join us tonight that joined me Kylie might
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: be sitting silent in the office beside me, although I
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: doubt it very much. It's never happened before. I can't
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: imagine that it's going to happen this webinar. But it'd
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: be great if you would hunt. I'd love to have
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: you here. It'd be really cool to have somebody in
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: the audience, live audience, in person. If you're up for it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight's webinar it's all about the brand new book, The
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Parenting Revolution. Please join us. You can find all the
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: information at Happy families dot com dot au. Do you
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: have any other questions about the webinar?
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: What time will you be home?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: The webinar is supposed to go for sixty.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Minutes supposed to I love how you say that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Historically I haven't been good at this, but I'm getting better.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Join us at Happy families dot com dot au for
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the webinar. All the details are at our Facebook page
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: or online. Thanks so much Justin and rule On, our producer,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: for making the podcast sound great. For our executive producer,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Craig Bruce, for all of the ideas, inspiration, and helping
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: us to stay on track most of the time. If
• 17:43
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• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the book The Parenting Revolution by Me, or watch the
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: webinar tonight, or just visit us at happy families dot
• 17:51
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