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Hospice, Peptides & Stem Cells: What 20 Years of End-of-Life Care Teaches You · White Coat Black Sheep

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  Welcome to White Coat Black Sheep. I'm your host, Dr. Civelli.
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  Today, joining me in the studio, I have the one and only Joey.
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  And then who is this lovely lady that you're bringing with you today?
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  She's Rebecca.
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  Hi, Ms. Rebecca.
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  Hi.
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  Thank you so much for joining me today.
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  Thank you for having us.
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  Oh my gosh. It is just a love-- Like, what else would you want to do today?
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  Right? I love it.
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  I'm going to bring this a little bit closer-
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  Thank you
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  ... so people can actually get to know you, too.
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  Okay.
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  So what was the day like for both of you? Are you coming over from LA?
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  You don't live here.
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  No.
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  Okay.
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  We came from LA.
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  LA, okay. How was the drive?
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  We both slept the whole ride.
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  Oh my gosh. What does it mean?
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  Stop it.
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  So, oh, you have a Tesla truck.
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  Yes.
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  Do you love it, or you love it?
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  I love it. It drives by itself.
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  Oh, gosh. Yeah, it's pretty. I think it's really kind of grown aesthetically on
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  everybody.
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  It has.
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  Yeah.
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  Right? At first, people were like, "Eh."
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  Yeah.
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  It's grown.
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  Yeah. Because it was different.
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  Yeah.
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  Sometimes people, with different, they are very averse to it.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah. So I just learned that you were the very first ever employee
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  with Joey.
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  Yes.
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  So which industry? Is this with hospice? Because I know you have several.
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  You're an entrepreneur. Your goals, you do a lot, and you make it look easy.
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  That's the catch.
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  I try.
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  I'm working on that part. But it's so hard.
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  But it's hospice is the industry that you first joined on?
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  Yes. I've been a hospice nurse for almost 20 years now.
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  20 years?
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  Yeah.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  Almost.
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  I'm going to check your ID.
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  Oh. Yeah, I started when I was, like, 10.
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  Love it. Me too.
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  Right?
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  Me too. I know.
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  Oh my gosh. Was it something that you felt called to do?
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  I do. I love hospice. It's really hard sometimes.
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  It's hard, yeah.
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  But I always tell people, it's taught me how I want to live-
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  Yeah
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  ... and also how I want to die.
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  Isn't that crazy?
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  It is.
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  People struggle to hear that.
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  Yeah, they do.
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  I've said it several times, and I do get a lot of comments.
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  People don't understand it because the concept of your death, like you're going to
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  die at some point.
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  Yeah, we're all headed there.
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  We're all going to. So it's not that we control that, but when you are
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  at the endpoint, then what?
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  What does that look like? How does it feel? I don't want suffering.
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  I think suffering is unethical.
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  Exactly. Most people don't.
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  Yeah.
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  I feel like a lot of times it's more like families, honestly-
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  Yep
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  ... they want to keep them there.
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  Yes.
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  And that's what's kind of hard to
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  take the lead and show them, like, "Okay, look, your family member's here, but
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  they're suffering."
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  Yes. And I see, because I work with Joey locally, so I
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  know you're in the LA area, but here in Bakersfield, with the hospice that we do
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  provide care for patients, the families do struggle.
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  They don't understand, and there's almost a sense of it's selfish.
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  They feel like it's selfish to not try or advocate harder for them.
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  Yes.
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  But really, it's selfless to let them be more comfortable.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  So just really walking people through that process mentally of what's happening.
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  It's physiologic.
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  Yeah.
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  These are normal things, and then this is what's going to happen next, and here's
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  what we can do to make that more comfortable.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  Yeah.
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  No, and I can empathize with them because I kind of went through that with my mom.
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  Oh.
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  I was like, "Okay, let's fight," until it's like, okay, no.
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  It's just personal.
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  It's time to let her go. Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. Was there a terminal illness that was longstanding?
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  How long of a process did you feel like you personally had to go through?
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  Well, with her, it was a little different because it was not a terminal diagnosis
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  for her.
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  Okay.
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  She just basically died of complications of diabetes.
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  Okay.
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  Which is very heartbreaking because it's very avoidable.
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  Yeah. Relatively rapid?
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  Yeah, it was rapid at the end, yeah. And she was just suffering a lot.
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  And so at first, I was like, "Okay, I want her here with me.
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  I want her here with me."
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  Yeah.
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  But it took a lot for me to get to that point where I was like-
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  More time
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  ... "This is selfish of me."
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  Yeah.
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  "I need to let her go."
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  Yeah.
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  "And I have my faith that I'll see her again."
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  Yeah. Do you think being a nurse helped you because you're already kind of-
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  It did, but you know what? At certain points, it's like I did not think like a
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  nurse. I was like a crazy daughter.
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  That's good.
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  You were a very difficult son.
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  I was very difficult.
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  Joey.
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  He knows I'm difficult.
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  Now he's raising.
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  Right now, he's like, "Oh, she's difficult."
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  I mean-
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  Yes
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  ... you became a daughter yourself again.
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  Yeah, I became a daughter, yes. I did.
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  Interesting. I get it.
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  Yeah.
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  So, okay, this is not on the same level at all, but just with a pet.
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  Oh, that is huge, yeah.
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  I'm no longer a doctor brain.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm no longer. If anything happens to my Yorkie, I'm like, "Ah, okay."
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  I have to be
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  talked to like a regular patient.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  It's just, yeah. You have to block all that out.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah. The education's gone. It's like, "Fix him, fix him now." Yeah.
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  And the hardest patients are families, patients with doctor, like a son who's a
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  doctor, it's very hard.
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  Really hard.
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  They say they won't be part of the care because it's not their expertise-
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  Yeah
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  ... but then the last moment, they want to be part of it. It's very difficult.
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  Yes. Part of the training with your team probably is
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  addressing that, teaching us how to manage people in the process, because it's not
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  just the patient.
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  Yeah.
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  It's the family. And learning how to skillfully, socially navigate that
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  conversation so that we're not offending people, and they feel supported.
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  That's hard. It's a skill.
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  It is hard.
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  And when you're in that moment, you just don't think rationally.
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  Yeah. No, it's panic.
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  Yeah.
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  It's a panic. Yeah.
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  Locally here, we have grown in presence, and I hope to continue to
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  see that, Linus Compassionate Care.
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  There's also a home health division, right?
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  Yes.
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  And we have several nurses. I work with them.
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  We do meetings and go over all the patients every single Tuesday, and it's really
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  sweet to hear just the level that people care.
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  I think it's easy to just, in healthcare, have this kind of zoomed-out view that
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  we're callous to it. But we're not callous to it.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's harmful for us on the provider side when things don't go well, or if a
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  patient isn't happy. We wear that home.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  We wear it home. And
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  I like to share the other side because people don't get to see that side.
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  You just get to see the patient side, but really the doctor side, the provider
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  side, the nursing, the case manager, there's a lot that goes into the backside.
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  Paperwork. Paperwork is hard. What do you write?
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  Yeah.
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  It's very hard to move all these pieces and make it look smooth and proper and,
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  man, it takes a full team.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  And we have a great team here, one of the best, actually.
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  And for me, creating a team is, number one, you have to care.
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  Yes.
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  The rest we can learn.
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  Yes.
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  So that's number one-
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  Love that
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  ... for Linus Compassionate Care.
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  As humans, just as like a colleague circle of people, they're super supportive.
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  I threw an event the other day for a separate business, and the girls just all
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  showed up for me.
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  Aw, I love that.
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  I loved it. I extra loved it because we care about each other as people.
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  We care about the patients, their families, so that's what it should look and feel
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  like.
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  Exactly.
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  And so if you do have a loved one and you are in the Bakersfield area, there's
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  certain zip codes which I'm sure we can say at some point, but
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  reach out to us, DM, message, call.
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  There's so many options, but I think I would love to be involved with that locally
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  here at Bakersfield. In LA, if somebody wanted to reach out, how would they do that
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  for your team? Is there a number?
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  Yes, there's definitely a number.
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  We can get it. If you don't have it memorized, don't you worry.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Don't you worry. Yeah, no, all of the stuff we can put onto our website, too.
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  Okay, perfect.
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  Yeah. So White Coat Black Sheep.
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  Yeah, so home health, are you also involved in that?
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  A little bit, but my passion is hospice.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  No, it's special.
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  Yeah.
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  And having your niche is really, really important.
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  If you know your mission, your calling, man, that's-
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  Right.
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  It's hard because there's so many things you can get into.
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  Yes, exactly.
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  Wow. What other industries do you touch into?
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  Working through the assisted living-
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  Super hard
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  Some wound care.
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  Yeah.
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  I know it's changed a lot, the wound care industry.
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  Yeah. It has been crap, yeah.
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  But we're here to stay. We've been doing good.
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  Yeah.
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  A lot of changes, but patients need help, so we're here.
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  Yeah. That's fantastic. Yeah, the wound care landscape has changed tremendously.
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  It has.
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  I don't understand it at all.
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  Yeah.
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  I know I like to take care of wounds, but I don't know the rest of it.
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  That is your arena.
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  Yeah, even what you can use and how you're supposed to document, it's very
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  challenging.
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  It is.
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  It is.
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  It's way beyond just the wound.
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  And it's constantly evolving.
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  Yes, and to keep up with it, I don't know-
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  It's like, yeah
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  ... you take courses or something? How do you stay up to date on all this stuff?
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  Chat.
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  Chat? Chat help.
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  Because I don't want to be outdated.
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  Right. Give me my weekly updates on wound care.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. Okay, so I did a chat of a wound the other day, and it said
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  initially iodine and all this stuff, but then that's now outdated.
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  Yeah.
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  Don't put it exactly on the wound because that's cytotoxic.
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  So, just all of these different medical changes, they're-
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  Right
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  ... constant.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, they're constant.
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  Constant to keep up with.
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  Yeah. Sounds like running water is probably still the best.
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  Maybe.
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  Right? Keep it running.
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  Keep it running.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh my gosh. Well, outside of work stuff, let's talk a little personal.
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  Okay.
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  Do we have families? Do we work out?
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  Are we into health, fitness, wellness, yoga, Pilates, teas?
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  She works out.
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  I love running. I've always been a runner.
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  Ooh.
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  I've been a runner since high school.
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  That is so good.
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  So, I'm kind of scared right now because I'm supposed to be doing, well, I am doing
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  the New York Marathon in about three weeks.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  And I am really not trained up.
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  See, okay. Well, you're working on it, though.
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  Yeah.
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  You said you've always been a runner.
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  I've always been a runner. Oh, no. Oh, I've actually done that before.
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  I did it last year for the half-marathon.
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  Okay. Oh my gosh. Okay, and your knees are fine?
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  Oh, yeah.
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  You're all right?
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  Yeah, they're fine.
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  They look great.
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  This is going to be my last one, though. After this, I'm retiring.
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  Do you enjoy the process? Do you enjoy the struggle part, the training?
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  Which part of it is appealing?
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  I enjoy running. I love the after, how I feel after.
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  Okay.
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  The endorphins after.
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  Yeah. Endorphin high.
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  During, it's a struggle. I'm not going to lie.
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  Yeah.
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  I'll like, "Oh, my God. What am I doing to myself?
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  Why am I doing this?"
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  Yeah.
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  After, I feel good.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. And I love hot yoga.
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  Yes. I love that, too.
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  Yeah.
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  I know.
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  And I love my boot camp.
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  Ooh, boot camp.
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  Yeah.
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  What kind of boot camp?
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  Every day they focus on something different.
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  Yeah.
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  Monday is upper, Tuesday is legs, Wednesday is
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  full body, Thursday's HIIT, and then Friday's legs again.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay. I think HIIT is a great style of training.
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  It is.
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  But you know what's interesting? There's different extended lab panels that show
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  you if it is or isn't meant for your body.
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  Oh.
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  And so if you're the person who you like the community of it, which I did, okay?
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  Sure.
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  I enjoyed the feeling after, right?
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  Yeah.
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  But I also felt depleted for the rest of the day.
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  Yeah.
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  And just kind of figuring out ways to overcome that depletion.
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  I, through all these different things,
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  data that I've collected through my wearable devices and extended labs and genetic
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  testing, it does show that I'm better with just yoga, not as much HIIT.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Which is your zone that your-
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  Yeah
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  ... heart rate is in with the work that you're doing.
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  Well, some of them too, I heard, can raise your cortisol levels.
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  It was.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  So you can't build muscle.
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  Yeah.
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  It's so annoying.
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  Right?
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  Yes.
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  Huh, I think it's... So do that too.
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  So lower, lower-
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  Lower impact, right
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  ... impact.
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  Yeah.
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  Yes.
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  I'm really wanting to get into reformer Pilates, too.
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  I'm going to try that.
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  I tried one class, and it's actually-
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  Brutal
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  ... it's pretty brutal. But you're not like, you know...
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  Were you pouring sweat?
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  Yeah, I was.
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  Okay. I wonder what your heart rate... Do you have a wearable device?
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  I do, but I don't wear it. In Pilates or yoga, I don't wear it.
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  Yeah.
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  I usually only wear it when I'm running.
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  Okay. Is it a band? Which one do you go with? I have the RingConn.
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  Oh, how's that actually?
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  I like it, but if I'm lifting weights, I don't like how it clanks-
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  Yeah
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  ... on the weights.
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  On the weights, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Hmm.
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  So I think I'd rather the Whoop.
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  Because I used to use the Apple Watch, so.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  That one interacts with me too much.
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  Yeah.
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  It's hyper-stimulating. It's like, "So-and-so worked out.
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  Tell them good job."
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  Oh, I know, right?
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  I'm like, "Leave me alone."
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  I know.
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  Stop.
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  I don't want to tell them good job.
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  I don't want to. I don't like that person.
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  They're looking at my workout. I did not work out today.
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  They're judging you.
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  They're looking at my 300 steps today.
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  This is not positive community, Apple.
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  Anti-positivity.
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  What about your workouts, sir?
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  I used to think that I play tennis. But all these things that I do, it's really
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  hard.
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  Yeah.
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  But finally, one of the branch we have in Riverside-
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  Mm-hmm
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  ... they're going to have a tennis game on Saturday, and-
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  Hmm
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  ... I got invited, so I'm going to play.
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  That's pretty active.
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  Yeah.
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  It is.
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  Any shoulder restrictions? You have full range?
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  I do.
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  Okay.
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  I had a motorcycle accident when I was young, so.
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  That's kind of cool. Glad you made it.
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  Yep.
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  Any surgery required?
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  No.
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  They just put a brace on it.
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  Okay.
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  My collarbone got like cracked.
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  Oh, I love this for you.
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  Street cred.
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  Yeah, I was stupid.
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  Wait, are you left or right-handed?
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  Left.
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  Oh, my goodness. This is so annoying.
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  So, yeah, I couldn't serve like I used to.
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  Yeah.
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  It's nice to play.
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  Yeah.
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  So you think you're going to win?
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  No. I'm just going to have fun.
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  Got to change the mind. We need to start there.
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  Right?
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  Oh, I can be very competitive, so.
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  How often would you say that you play?
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  I believe this is the first time- ...
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  in the last-
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  Okay, people
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  ... 10 years
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  ... we're getting trainers for both of you. Marathon trainer.
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  If you guys know one, please call in.
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  I last played 10 years ago.
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  Tennis coach. Oh, my gosh.
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  Oh.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Well, we got to do some warmup stretches.
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  We're-
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  But I go fishing. I go fishing a lot. I forgot about that.
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  Okay. What kind of fishing?
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  I go for saltwater fishing, like tunas.
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  Deep sea?
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  Yes.
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  I love knowing that. I did not know this.
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  Yes, you are from Florida. I know.
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  Yes, it's just what you do.
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  Yes.
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  You wear the outfits. You have the SPF shirts and a cool hat.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Probably fish on your outfit, marlin or something.
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  Scales everywhere.
• 16:33
  Yeah.
• 16:36
  Yeah.
• 16:36
  And he makes the best poke.
• 16:37
  Oh, I love that. So do you enjoy cooking?
• 16:41
  Yeah.
• 16:41
  Yes.
• 16:41
  He cooks actually really good.
• 16:43
  That's so-
• 16:43
  Oh, thank you.
• 16:44
  Oh, my gosh. Well, I haven't been invited, but maybe you can invite me so I can try
• 16:50
  out some of this chefiness.
• 16:51
  You can invite her, okay?
• 16:52
  Okay, okay. Perfect, yay.
• 16:57
  Nutrition-wise, do you feel like you're pretty health-oriented?
• 17:01
  It looks like it, but you just never know.
• 17:04
  I want to.
• 17:06
  I feel like you're probably A+ just looking at your skin.
• 17:10
  I'm very picky with food. He knows.
• 17:12
  Yeah. Yeah. What about you?
• 17:16
  I try to not eat a lot of carbs.
• 17:18
  Yeah.
• 17:18
  So
• 17:19
  that's my diet, stay away from carbs.
• 17:21
  Do you feel better like that?
• 17:23
  Yes.
• 17:24
  Mental clarity-wise?
• 17:25
  Yes. When I have a lot of carb, I feel sleepy or I'm dragging myself.
• 17:29
  Interesting. Yeah, I notice that about myself.
• 17:31
  Same.
• 17:31
  But some people feel good, or it just is very much your body tells you.
• 17:36
  Yes.
• 17:37
  Yeah.
• 17:37
  Yeah.
• 17:38
  I do carbs, but just little amounts here and there, and it depends on what my
• 17:42
  workout's going to be.
• 17:43
  Yeah.
• 17:44
  Yeah.
• 17:44
  And it happens that aesthetically, a lot of times, it also aligns, right?
• 17:49
  Yeah.
• 17:49
  But it's not always the catch-all diet for all people.
• 17:53
  It's not.
• 17:54
  And I can even see that on their genetic DNA test-
• 17:57
  Oh
• 17:57
  ... which is interesting.
• 17:58
  Oh.
• 17:58
  Or if you're going to be a responder to these intermittent fasting regiments.
• 18:03
  Yeah.
• 18:03
  Not everybody is.
• 18:04
  Yeah.
• 18:05
  Yeah.
• 18:05
  Not by choice. We skip meals because we're busy.
• 18:11
  I know.
• 18:11
  Yeah, I know. Does that help or hurt? I think it helps.
• 18:14
  I think it helps with satiety-
• 18:15
  I think so
• 18:15
  ... and mind control.
• 18:16
  Yeah.
• 18:17
  Yeah.
• 18:17
  It does.
• 18:18
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  I like certain supplements, but I try not to go wild.
• 18:23
  Same.
• 18:24
  What do you guys think, and what is your opinion about different supplements?
• 18:30
  I feel like sometimes people take too many.
• 18:33
  Yes. I've been there.
• 18:34
  And I've been there, too. And I've kind of-
• 18:36
  It's ridiculous
• 18:37
  ... like cut down.
• 18:39
  I try and get my vitamins through actual real food.
• 18:43
  Food, yep.
• 18:44
  And then, I take digestive supplements.
• 18:48
  Me too.
• 18:48
  Yeah.
• 18:48
  And I feel better as a standard having that-
• 18:51
  Yeah
• 18:51
  ... at least once a day.
• 18:52
  Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 18:53
  Yeah.
• 18:55
  I don't know if that speaks to our gut health, or maybe we eat too fast because it
• 18:59
  is like a timed conveyor belt, if you think about from the mouth, the saliva, what
• 19:04
  has to motility down to your stomach-
• 19:06
  Right
• 19:06
  ... and then all the things that have to be secreted, I guess, to break down the
• 19:09
  food.
• 19:10
  Food, exactly.
• 19:11
  So maybe we're just eating too fast.
• 19:13
  Yeah.
• 19:14
  And maybe eating too much, too.
• 19:15
  Too much, too fast.
• 19:16
  Yes.
• 19:17
  Right?
• 19:19
  Sounds so American.
• 19:20
  Right? Huge portions and...
• 19:24
  Yeah.
• 19:26
  What about you and supplements?
• 19:29
  So then I start remembering taking them when I don't feel well.
• 19:34
  Ah.
• 19:34
  But I want to consistently, like probiotics, I know I need that.
• 19:38
  Yeah.
• 19:38
  And then, maybe vitamin C.
• 19:40
  Yes.
• 19:40
  But sometimes, busy schedule, and you lose the track of what you need to take.
• 19:45
  Yes. So it's not like an everyday thing for you.
• 19:48
  I will forget.
• 19:50
  Yeah.
• 19:51
  Ooh, I have a question.
• 19:52
  Yeah.
• 19:52
  What are your thoughts on all these peptides everybody's on?
• 19:56
  Yeah, I love them. I think there's so much to say
• 20:02
  about it.
• 20:03
  Right?
• 20:04
  I have been riding the peptide wave of information and trial and error, and
• 20:10
  just watching the whole industry develop since 2022.
• 20:15
  Yeah. Wow.
• 20:15
  I was a resident doctor then.
• 20:17
  Oh, wow.
• 20:18
  And I went to a conference that really introduced me to it, and I'm like, "What
• 20:24
  is this?" So it was just a bunch of letters and numbers, and you take this for
• 20:29
  that, so targeted therapies, right?
• 20:31
  Yeah.
• 20:33
  So then it was just a concept, and then I was obsessed because I really got to
• 20:38
  see what science is doing with it-
• 20:41
  Yeah
• 20:41
  ... and the outcomes you just can't unsee.
• 20:43
  Yeah.
• 20:43
  You can't unsee the people that have lost dramatic weight without changing anything
• 20:48
  else. You can't unsee the visceral fat
• 20:53
  just move from the midsection. You can't. It's incredible.
• 20:57
  Or people who are on all of these narcotics or pain control things, they're just
• 21:01
  getting better.
• 21:02
  Wow.
• 21:03
  They don't need it because there's other... Yeah.
• 21:05
  Oh, wow.
• 21:06
  Yeah, or endurance. There's things for your cardiovascular.
• 21:11
  So just seeing all the different boxes of functioning-
• 21:17
  Yeah
• 21:17
  ... and how they work. So yeah, I'm a fan, but I will say I feel a part of me is on
• 21:23
  this huge mission to teach my colleagues how to safely do it.
• 21:27
  Yeah.
• 21:28
  Today, for example, and this is not every single day, but at least a few times per
• 21:33
  week,
• 21:34
  people are still struggling with the safety of it, and there's a lot of providers
• 21:39
  that are saying, "I've never heard of that."
• 21:43
  Yeah.
• 21:43
  So Retatrutide.
• 21:45
  Oh, yeah.
• 21:46
  I was just shocked. So today I got a call, and I have patients all over the US, and
• 21:51
  I got a call, and there was somebody who was having a situation with Retatrutide.
• 21:57
  And
• 21:58
  this is a, I would say it's a nervous system problem that they were managing,
• 22:02
  anxiety, depression, exacerbation. Retatrutide is known to worsen it.
• 22:08
  Okay? It is.
• 22:09
  Ah.
• 22:09
  But with peptides, you really need to be very close with the prescriber because you
• 22:15
  have to tell them, "Hey, this is what I'm feeling today. Is this normal?
• 22:20
  Is it not?" People are still a little bit ashamed, especially when they feel
• 22:24
  anxiety. Any sort of symptoms that fall into that mental health category-
• 22:28
  Yeah
• 22:28
  ... I don't put it into that box. I call it a nervous system category.
• 22:32
  Yeah.
• 22:32
  So, if you're feeling not well-balanced, there's so many factors for it.
• 22:38
  A lot of people are not sleeping, they're not eating.
• 22:41
  There's so many reasons that play a role in it.
• 22:44
  But if you end up at the hospital, and you end up with side effects,
• 22:50
  no one on the other side in medicine a lot of times will know what you're talking
• 22:54
  about. They will struggle to fix you.
• 22:56
  Yeah.
• 22:56
  They will struggle to treat you. They will struggle to understand what is wrong
• 22:59
  with you. Retatrutide slows your digestive tract down. It talks to the brain.
• 23:05
  It does a lot of different things. Half-life, seven to 14 days.
• 23:10
  Yeah.
• 23:11
  So if you're having surgery, that could be a problem.
• 23:14
  There's just so many interesting-
• 23:15
  So many things to it.
• 23:16
  Yeah.
• 23:16
  Yeah.
• 23:17
  So, yeah. So anyway, this call today, the patient
• 23:23
  was like, "Oh, my psychiatrist wants to talk to you." I was like, "Okay, yeah, give
• 23:28
  me their number. Let me see their number.
• 23:29
  I'll call them." And they're like, "They don't know what Retatrutide is." I'm like,
• 23:33
  "Can't they Google it?"
• 23:35
  Right?
• 23:35
  Look it up. Eli Lilly owns it. Just go to their website.
• 23:39
  They have all the triumph trials, and there's so much available to providers.
• 23:44
  Right.
• 23:46
  A little bit of me is shocked, but I
• 23:49
  personally need to manage that because it's my world, and
• 23:55
  I've made it my
• 23:58
  practice to really be very, very comfortable with it.
• 24:01
  Yeah.
• 24:01
  But I'm shocked when I hear somebody's never heard of it.
• 24:05
  Never heard of it, right?
• 24:06
  I'm like, "Where are you living?"
• 24:07
  What rock are you living under?
• 24:09
  I know.
• 24:11
  How unfit are you?
• 24:12
  Right?
• 24:14
  How unsocial are you?
• 24:16
  Are you a provider?
• 24:17
  Do we brush our hair? Do we brush our teeth?
• 24:19
  It's like almost a level of functioning.
• 24:21
  It's like, you've never heard of toothpaste?
• 24:25
  Anyway. Yeah, slight judgment, okay, but I'm working on that.
• 24:32
  No one's perfect.
• 24:35
  Yeah.
• 24:35
  But yeah, so I love peptides. I would say my favorite combo for any
• 24:41
  body transformation where it would be weird if you didn't respond to this, would be
• 24:47
  some sort of testosterone, male or female, just kind of depends on their situation.
• 24:52
  For women, a topical, probably also estrogen, progesterone.
• 24:57
  And then for men, injectable. And some sort of growth hormone, either
• 25:03
  growth hormone itself or an
• 25:07
  agonist. So it'll stimulate, right?
• 25:10
  Yeah.
• 25:10
  So like tesamorelin, CJC, those are great. Sermorelin as well.
• 25:15
  Okay.
• 25:17
  Great for this-
• 25:18
  Yeah
• 25:19
  ... midsection.
• 25:20
  If you look over here.
• 25:24
  Yeah. And a GLP. And just micro dose.
• 25:27
  Yeah.
• 25:27
  You don't need to take a lot.
• 25:29
  Yeah.
• 25:29
  It's very low dose. And a lot of times inflammation is a problem.
• 25:33
  Yeah.
• 25:33
  So just getting that down. But the GLP seems to just, people transform.
• 25:37
  You don't even recognize them.
• 25:38
  Oh, wow. How about the Glow peptide?
• 25:41
  I love Glow.
• 25:42
  Okay.
• 25:42
  I love Glow. But you know what's interesting?
• 25:45
  So I think I like Cello better with the KPV added-
• 25:48
  Really? Okay
• 25:48
  ... to the Glow because it is more antigenic.
• 25:52
  Okay.
• 25:53
  So people will always complain about the injection sites.
• 25:58
  Oh, yeah, it hurts. Sorry, I've been doing it.
• 26:00
  Yes, yes.
• 26:00
  And I'm like, "O*, f**k my life."
• 26:01
  It feels like a punch.
• 26:03
  Yes.
• 26:03
  Yes.
• 26:04
  It hurts.
• 26:05
  So if you get past that...
• 26:06
  All right, I kind of got past it. I'm like, "Okay, it hurts. Whatever.
• 26:09
  I can do this."
• 26:09
  No, your skin is glowing, though.
• 26:11
  Oh, thank you.
• 26:11
  Right? Yeah, so it works. Yeah.
• 26:15
  Okay, I heard that you're supposed to take two vials and then take a break.
• 26:19
  Is that true?
• 26:20
  Cycling anything after six weeks is just a good rule of thumb.
• 26:25
  Okay.
• 26:25
  It doesn't mean that you have to.
• 26:26
  Okay.
• 26:28
  You don't really need to.
• 26:30
  Okay.
• 26:30
  If you didn't cycle it, what would happen? Probably nothing.
• 26:33
  Okay.
• 26:33
  I don't know your dose, so that also plays a role. I micro dose people.
• 26:37
  Okay.
• 26:38
  So very, very low dose. If you take it or leave it, it doesn't have much impact.
• 26:43
  It's 10 units.
• 26:44
  Okay. With a 50 mg vial, I'm guessing?
• 26:47
  Yeah.
• 26:48
  Oh, I have a question.
• 26:49
  Yes.
• 26:49
  My asking for a friend.
• 26:51
  Yes. We're all talking about friends here, not us.
• 26:53
  Yes. He's losing his hair. What does he do?
• 26:56
  Hair loss is an inside problem.
• 27:00
  Oh, poor guy.
• 27:01
  I know.
• 27:03
  It's a reflection of something further going on.
• 27:05
  It's typically not just a surface level issue.
• 27:09
  So,
• 27:11
  based on where was your friend losing hair? Which areas?
• 27:15
  I don't know.
• 27:16
  Here?
• 27:16
  He just wants his hair to be thicker.
• 27:18
  Oh, okay. So kind of thinning?
• 27:22
  The things I always think about would be nutrient corrections, gut health, so oral
• 27:28
  BPC, just six weeks of that is-
• 27:30
  No magic injection? Like-
• 27:31
  Magic injections are not real.
• 27:34
  Ah.
• 27:34
  Okay.
• 27:35
  But there's a lot of good supportive injections, so GHK would be helpful.
• 27:40
  But if you just did GHK copper and wanted that to fix any hair thinning, you would
• 27:46
  be disappointed on the other side. So it's a mixture of fixing the gut health.
• 27:52
  A lot of times the gut barrier's a problem, and you're not really absorbing the-
• 27:57
  ... whatever supplement you're taking.
• 28:00
  Patches, I think are pretty helpful actually.
• 28:02
  So if you're like, "I don't know what my gut health is," just use a vitamin patch
• 28:07
  because your skin will absorb it a lot better.
• 28:10
  Hmm.
• 28:11
  So it's dropping into your blood like that.
• 28:14
  Any one you can recommend?
• 28:16
  I like Ion Layer.
• 28:18
  Okay.
• 28:18
  Ionlayer.com, I-O-N Layer.
• 28:22
  So they have good mixtures, like glutathione, vitamin
• 28:28
  C, and a B vitamin.
• 28:31
  Hmm.
• 28:31
  Their NAD-- I'm not tolerant, really, of the NAD.
• 28:36
  Maybe I have enough in my body, so if I add any, it just, I vomit.
• 28:41
  Oh, wow.
• 28:42
  I'm not the best candidate for NAD.
• 28:45
  I take the precursor, so I feel like I have good energy. I'm adequate for that.
• 28:51
  Okay.
• 28:52
  But if you're somebody who's not, you have low energy, you want to support your
• 28:55
  mitochondria, and you're not sure which one you are, try the patch.
• 28:59
  Okay.
• 28:59
  Yeah.
• 29:00
  Try it.
• 29:00
  Yeah. Some people feel amazing.
• 29:03
  Wow.
• 29:03
  So you just don't know which one you are-
• 29:05
  Right
• 29:05
  ... until you give it a try.
• 29:07
  Okay.
• 29:08
  Yeah. And you can even do a shorter duration with the patch because the duration
• 29:12
  that you leave the patch on your skin is your absorption of that active compound.
• 29:17
  Oh, wow.
• 29:18
  Yeah.
• 29:18
  I'm going to order that. Thank you.
• 29:19
  Yeah.
• 29:21
  I love this.
• 29:21
  Yeah. No, definitely. And it tells you the dose to take, and you can always do less
• 29:27
  of the dose if you're-
• 29:29
  Okay
• 29:29
  ... scared-
• 29:30
  Okay
• 29:30
  ... which, I mean, we should be-
• 29:31
  Yeah. Right
• 29:32
  ... a little bit.
• 29:34
  So yeah, so
• 29:36
  the NAD, 25 milligrams is a pretty good starter-
• 29:40
  Okay
• 29:40
  ... if you're not sure where you land.
• 29:42
  Okay.
• 29:43
  But most products will prescribe, they'll be packs ready to go of-
• 29:48
  Ah
• 29:48
  ... 250, 500, 1,000.
• 29:50
  Got it.
• 29:50
  If you started there, you would hate yourself.
• 29:52
  Oh, God. Okay. Thank you.
• 29:54
  Yeah. No, definitely. But GHK copper, I think, is such an interesting one.
• 29:59
  It very much so supports type one collagen.
• 30:02
  Okay.
• 30:02
  So a lot of the way that it works is the autophagy, so turning your cells over-
• 30:08
  Ooh
• 30:08
  ... so they're not just stuck into that sleeping phase. Same for hair.
• 30:13
  So, you would have healthier hair.
• 30:17
  It should be more supportive.
• 30:19
  Okay.
• 30:19
  So if you paired that with, say, Nutrafol, which I think does work.
• 30:22
  It does, yeah.
• 30:23
  Right?
• 30:23
  Yeah.
• 30:24
  Yeah.
• 30:24
  It does work.
• 30:24
  Yeah. I'm a fan of those products. And there's exosomes.
• 30:29
  It
• 30:30
  just depends. There's always a way to level up.
• 30:33
  Right. Exactly.
• 30:36
  Yeah.
• 30:36
  I've been hearing a lot about those.
• 30:37
  I think I had them one time, injections in my face.
• 30:40
  Mm. Mm-hmm.
• 30:42
  Was it the salmon?
• 30:44
  I think so.
• 30:45
  Vamp?
• 30:45
  Yeah.
• 30:46
  Yeah. They inject it in other countries. In the US, they don't.
• 30:50
  Oh, wow.
• 30:51
  I mean, off the record, right?
• 30:53
  Yeah. I guess mine's off the record.
• 30:55
  Yeah. But it is
• 30:58
  a sterile product-
• 30:59
  Okay
• 30:59
  ... and it's exosomes, and it targets specific receptors and ligands.
• 31:05
  Oh, wow.
• 31:05
  So, it's done something great here.
• 31:08
  Okay.
• 31:08
  So whatever. It's a mixture of things, right?
• 31:11
  It is.
• 31:11
  Not one thing is the answer.
• 31:12
  It's not just one thing. It takes a lot.
• 31:14
  It's commitment.
• 31:16
  Right? It literally is.
• 31:18
  Yeah. So every time you're thinking, "Do I just sit, or do I do a walking pad at my
• 31:24
  desk? Do
• 31:28
  I have an extra cup of coffee, or do I do a patch of NAD?" Just all these little
• 31:33
  things.
• 31:33
  Right.
• 31:34
  Vegetables or rice? All of these add up.
• 31:38
  They do. It's the little choices that we make that add up.
• 31:41
  Yes.
• 31:42
  Yeah.
• 31:42
  Yeah. Or even just turning your phone over, right?
• 31:46
  Right.
• 31:46
  Just taking a pause and not looking at anything. That's a nervous system break.
• 31:52
  It is.
• 31:53
  Because it-
• 31:53
  It's all we're fed lately is this negative information-
• 31:57
  Constant
• 31:57
  ... constant, so that just-
• 31:58
  Yes
• 31:58
  ... I feel like that just kind of contributes to all of our anxiety.
• 32:02
  It does. It doesn't help.
• 32:03
  It doesn't help us at all. We're already anxious, okay?
• 32:06
  We don't need any more anxiety.
• 32:08
  I know.
• 32:10
  I know. And it's interesting because I feel like even older people now,
• 32:16
  we look kind of similar on our phones and just scrolling.
• 32:20
  Yeah.
• 32:20
  Like my dad is 90. He's on Facebook.
• 32:23
  Oh, isn't that so interesting? I know.
• 32:25
  I'm like, "What?"
• 32:26
  Like my 80-year-old aunt. That's why I keep my Facebook, because my 80-year-old
• 32:29
  aunt's around there, and they're just like-
• 32:31
  Yeah. And I think he has Cricket Mobile, some like obscure phone.
• 32:35
  It's not an iPhone.
• 32:40
  And when he hits the buttons, like, "Beep, beep, beep, beep."
• 32:42
  Oh, right. You're like, "Oh."
• 32:45
  Dad.
• 32:48
  It's really cute, but
• 32:50
  you know.
• 32:51
  Yeah. It's a lot.
• 32:53
  Yeah.
• 32:53
  Yeah. My uncle, he just passed last year, but he was 85, and
• 32:59
  literally all day long, he would send me this stuff on Facebook.
• 33:03
  Messages, message me, just like bam, bam, bam, and my phone would be going crazy
• 33:07
  all day. I'd be like- ... "Who's messaging you like that?" I'm like, "That's my
• 33:10
  uncle."
• 33:14
  My mom will s- she's, okay, of all the high-risk people that send me stuff, right,
• 33:19
  my mom. She will be the most likely to send me spam.
• 33:22
  Oh.
• 33:23
  And I'm like, "I don't know if this is...
• 33:26
  It feels sketchy to click."
• 33:27
  Right. I don't want to click this.
• 33:33
  It's like the latest was somebody curling someone's hair.
• 33:35
  Why would she think I would want to watch that?
• 33:37
  Oh my goodness.
• 33:38
  Why? I just don't understand. You know parents.
• 33:43
  They're different creatures.
• 33:44
  They are.
• 33:48
  Are your parents still-
• 33:50
  Yes
• 33:50
  ... around? Do you do family dinners?
• 33:54
  Almost every Sunday.
• 33:55
  Ooh, okay.
• 33:55
  Yes, I get to spend with them.
• 33:57
  Is this pleasant?
• 33:59
  Yes, of course.
• 34:00
  Oh, you're a good son.
• 34:02
  Yeah, he is.
• 34:02
  My parents are very nice.
• 34:04
  They are.
• 34:04
  That's lovely.
• 34:05
  Yeah.
• 34:06
  Are you the only son?
• 34:07
  No, there's seven of us.
• 34:09
  Seven?
• 34:10
  Yes.
• 34:10
  Oh my gosh, what number are you?
• 34:12
  Middle child.
• 34:13
  Middle? Are you forgotten?
• 34:15
  Yes.
• 34:18
  Do you like that?
• 34:20
  Well, maybe when you're growing up it's harder.
• 34:22
  Yeah.
• 34:23
  Yeah.
• 34:23
  But it made me who I am today. I'm very more open, like really,
• 34:28
  I guess when you're growing up and you're forgotten-
• 34:31
  Yeah
• 34:32
  ... you reach out, you have lots of friends.
• 34:35
  My sister was the middle child. I'm the oldest. I have a little brother.
• 34:39
  And she always was the one that she had to try harder. She did.
• 34:45
  Yeah.
• 34:45
  I never noticed it growing up, but the adult her, just hearing her describe from
• 34:50
  the car she drove to different experiences about how my brother, he's the boy, so
• 34:55
  he's the favorite,
• 34:57
  as far as
• 34:59
  he's the favorite boy.
• 35:01
  And then, out of both of us, apparently to her, I've always gotten more glory than
• 35:06
  her. I didn't see that, but I don't know, it's hilarious to hear your siblings'
• 35:12
  perspective.
• 35:12
  Their perspective on things, right?
• 35:14
  Yeah.
• 35:14
  Yes.
• 35:15
  Yeah. So when you go to your family's dinner, are they also there,
• 35:21
  or is-
• 35:21
  Most.
• 35:22
  Yeah.
• 35:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:23
  Who does the cooking?
• 35:24
  My mom.
• 35:26
  Oh, bless her.
• 35:27
  I know. She cooks. Sometimes my sisters, they cook too.
• 35:31
  Oh, okay. How many sisters do you have?
• 35:33
  Three.
• 35:34
  Wow.
• 35:36
  Yeah.
• 35:36
  That's a good mix.
• 35:38
  I know.
• 35:38
  Yeah.
• 35:38
  Four, there's four boys and three girls.
• 35:41
  Wow. Did you fight with your siblings?
• 35:45
  Growing up? Of course.
• 35:46
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:47
  We're, it's amazing, there's seven of us, but we get along very well.
• 35:51
  That's so good.
• 35:52
  Yeah.
• 35:52
  That's good.
• 35:53
  That's really good. What about you, siblings?
• 35:55
  Yeah, I have three. There's four of us.
• 35:57
  Oh my gosh, what number are you?
• 35:59
  I'm number three.
• 36:03
  Were you forgotten?
• 36:05
  Not really.
• 36:06
  Oh, that's good.
• 36:06
  It was kind of like my parents had my older brother and sister, and they thought
• 36:11
  they were done, and I was the whoopsie baby.
• 36:14
  Oh, exciting.
• 36:15
  Yeah. So then they felt bad because such an age gap, so I had my little brother, so
• 36:20
  yeah.
• 36:21
  He was planned.
• 36:22
  Yeah, he was planned.
• 36:22
  Because they wanted him to have a friend.
• 36:24
  Yes. Yes. Somebody to fight with.
• 36:27
  Yeah, perfect. Are you close?
• 36:30
  Oh, yeah, we're really close.
• 36:31
  Yeah.
• 36:32
  Yeah.
• 36:32
  Family dinners?
• 36:34
  Not really. My older brothers are in New York, and my sister's in LA, so I spend a
• 36:39
  lot of time with my sister.
• 36:40
  Yeah.
• 36:40
  Yeah.
• 36:41
  Family dinners are slightly stressful to me.
• 36:44
  Yeah?
• 36:45
  I mean, I'm not going to lie. I try to get out of them.
• 36:49
  Love you guys.
• 36:51
  Love you guys, I'm busy. Sorry.
• 36:53
  And also, I mean, we're talking, right?
• 36:56
  So this is mostly, I'm either talking to patients, or I'm taking calls, or I'm
• 37:00
  talking in the studio. So the last thing I want to do when I'm actually around my
• 37:04
  family is talk.
• 37:05
  Right.
• 37:06
  When my mom has questions, I'm like, "Okay."
• 37:11
  I find myself being more quiet.
• 37:14
  Well, I think it's the same thing. I'm very comfortable.
• 37:17
  Yeah.
• 37:17
  So I just watch a movie when we're there, and a lot of times-
• 37:21
  Oh, nice
• 37:21
  ... I fall asleep.
• 37:22
  Okay. That's really relaxing.
• 37:24
  Yeah, it's very relaxing. I feel like I'm back to my childhood.
• 37:27
  I like that.
• 37:31
  Yeah.
• 37:31
  Oh my gosh. Wow. Do you feel like in your family, and it doesn't
• 37:37
  matter in a way, do the guys and girls kind of have different roles?
• 37:44
  In a way, yes.
• 37:45
  Yeah, like more traditional?
• 37:47
  My elder siblings are more traditional, I guess.
• 37:51
  Yeah.
• 37:52
  And that's good in a way.
• 37:53
  Yeah.
• 37:53
  We're very different because there's a lot of us.
• 37:56
  Yes.
• 37:57
  So they grew up in different generations.
• 37:59
  Yes. Yeah. What about you?
• 38:02
  Well, we don't really have family dinners.
• 38:07
  Not at all. I mean, if we do-
• 38:08
  You do
• 38:09
  ... well, me and my sister, yeah.
• 38:11
  Yeah.
• 38:11
  And it's actually fun.
• 38:12
  Yeah.
• 38:12
  It's actually fun, because my family's, they're a lot of fun.
• 38:18
  Alcohol or no alcohol normally?
• 38:20
  Oh, alcohol.
• 38:21
  Okay.
• 38:23
  Definitely. We have a wedding next week.
• 38:25
  Oh, fun.
• 38:25
  Yeah. My niece is getting married.
• 38:28
  Oh my gosh. How old is she?
• 38:30
  She's 27.
• 38:32
  You think that's too young or that's okay?
• 38:34
  I think she's good. She's very mature.
• 38:37
  Yeah.
• 38:37
  She's marrying her college sweetheart.
• 38:40
  Oh.
• 38:40
  Yeah, so she's-
• 38:41
  We wish them all the best.
• 38:43
  Yeah, I feel like they're going to be good.
• 38:45
  Yeah.
• 38:45
  She's very level-headed. She's just very kind of steady.
• 38:50
  You're like me and my sister.
• 38:54
  A lot of fun.
• 38:56
  Right?
• 38:56
  Yeah. Oh my gosh. Are you married?
• 39:01
  I'm happily divorced.
• 39:03
  Okay. Once?
• 39:04
  Yeah, only once.
• 39:06
  Okay. Yeah, you just stop counting them after that.
• 39:08
  Yeah, exactly.
• 39:09
  It doesn't count.
• 39:12
  Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
• 39:16
  I'm not asking you.
• 39:19
  Yeah.
• 39:19
  Oh.
• 39:22
  Yeah, I don't know. Being grown, it's not all it's cracked up to be, I'll tell you
• 39:26
  that much.
• 39:26
  I know. I don't like adulthood.
• 39:28
  No, I thought it'd be different.
• 39:30
  I know, right?
• 39:31
  I know, right? I really did.
• 39:32
  You're like, "I can't wait till I grow up.
• 39:33
  I can make my own money."
• 39:35
  Yeah.
• 39:35
  Make your own money.
• 39:35
  More freedom.
• 39:36
  More, I know.
• 39:36
  Yeah, make my own money.
• 39:38
  Yeah.
• 39:38
  No one's going to bother you, but everybody bothers you.
• 39:40
  Everybody bothers you.
• 39:42
  I know. I'm honestly shocked.
• 39:45
  Right?
• 39:45
  I really am shocked.
• 39:46
  Right?
• 39:47
  Yeah. You just can't see the problems that come up-
• 39:49
  Yeah
• 39:50
  ... and I'm just like-
• 39:50
  "Um, actually, that was my freedom time."
• 39:53
  Yeah.
• 39:56
  I know.
• 39:56
  Right?
• 39:57
  Yeah, fewer consequences.
• 39:58
  Yeah, exactly.
• 40:00
  Yeah.
• 40:01
  I know. And I don't mind bills, but it's just like there's a lot of irrational
• 40:08
  phone calls even just to pay-
• 40:09
  Yeah
• 40:09
  ... certain bills or, I don't know, just all the checkpoints to get through, the
• 40:14
  paperwork forms and stuff. That, I die.
• 40:18
  I hate paperwork. I know he does, too. We're not paperwork people.
• 40:21
  I think it just raised the blood pressure in the room.
• 40:24
  Right?
• 40:25
  You hand me a form, I'm like, "Oh."
• 40:27
  Oh, God.
• 40:28
  It's visceral.
• 40:29
  Right.
• 40:30
  It changes my body.
• 40:32
  Right?
• 40:32
  My HRV just dropped.
• 40:36
  Literally.
• 40:37
  Yeah.
• 40:38
  Yeah. I'm the same way. I can't stand paperwork.
• 40:41
  But then if they're like, "No problem. Here's a link. You can just log in." Ugh.
• 40:44
  Oh, I hate that, too.
• 40:46
  It's worse.
• 40:47
  Yeah.
• 40:47
  Now I'm looking at a computer screen, and my eyes are fatigued.
• 40:50
  Right?
• 40:52
  I know. But then I guess I'm like, "Well, this is work, so this is probably why I'm
• 40:56
  getting paid." But it's okay.
• 40:59
  Right.
• 40:59
  It's just what's the alternative?
• 41:01
  We put a probe in our brain and just do the work with our mind?
• 41:06
  That's too much. I wouldn't consent.
• 41:08
  Too much, right? Same here.
• 41:09
  I wouldn't consent. I know. Oh, my gosh.
• 41:14
  Well, is there anything health-wise that you think would be helpful or that you
• 41:19
  could ask me if you have any questions?
• 41:21
  Anything that you would think the listeners would want to learn?
• 41:27
  It's okay if not, because peptides was a good question.
• 41:31
  Yeah.
• 41:31
  That was like a winner for me.
• 41:33
  That's the latest thing right now.
• 41:35
  That's what everybody's asking about, and it's kind of like-
• 41:38
  Yeah
• 41:38
  ... nobody has any clarity, and then people are just buying them like-
• 41:42
  Yeah
• 41:43
  ... from somebody's cooler and-
• 41:44
  And they bring them to my office, "Hey, can you mix my drugs?" And I'm like,
• 41:48
  "Dude."
• 41:49
  You're like, "Uh..."
• 41:51
  You're not. You didn't. Did you just...?
• 41:55
  No.
• 41:56
  I just saw this reel, and it was like some guy was walking down the street.
• 42:00
  At first, some guy was like a few years back, he's walking down the street, and he
• 42:03
  just got a syringe on the ground, and he's, "Ah, these drug users.
• 42:07
  What the heck?" Flash forward to 2026, and he's like, "Oh, look, a syringe.
• 42:11
  I wonder what peptides are on it."
• 42:17
  That is so cute. It's so true.
• 42:20
  It's so true.
• 42:21
  We're no longer afraid of needles.
• 42:23
  Yeah, we don't-
• 42:24
  We don't think heroin. We think GH, copper.
• 42:26
  Exactly.
• 42:27
  Because I've been told about it.
• 42:32
  Oh, my gosh. That's funny.
• 42:34
  It is, right?
• 42:35
  That's funny. There's pouches now. Like a Zen pouch, but you could do a pep pouch.
• 42:41
  Oh, wow.
• 42:42
  Mm-hmm. If you're tired of sticking yourself, if you are like, "I don't want a
• 42:47
  sticker on my body," yeah, you could just do a pouch, some labels.
• 42:52
  Oh, wow.
• 42:53
  Yeah. There's this one really creative marketer.
• 42:57
  She made a sleep peptide, and it looks like a cigarette-type
• 43:02
  carton.
• 43:03
  Uh-huh.
• 43:03
  So it's kind of edgy, and it's called Sleep or Die.
• 43:07
  Oh, wow.
• 43:09
  I mean-
• 43:09
  That is a little edgy
• 43:10
  ... you'll know exactly why you're buying it.
• 43:13
  Right?
• 43:13
  You'll know why you want to use it. And yeah, I don't want to die, so I want to
• 43:19
  sleep. Okay, exactly.
• 43:20
  Right, exactly.
• 43:21
  Yeah. And it's fun in the carton, because it's still a lot of people enjoy the
• 43:26
  holding a cigarette, packing of the cigarettes.
• 43:29
  Right?
• 43:30
  Yeah. So it kind of plays-
• 43:33
  Interesting
• 43:33
  ... into the habits that people get a little bit of, I don't know, dopamine from.
• 43:38
  Right.
• 43:38
  Yeah.
• 43:39
  So interesting.
• 43:40
  So if we can come up with something similar to that, like, I don't know, just-
• 43:44
  Right
• 43:44
  ... planting seeds.
• 43:47
  Right?
• 43:47
  I know.
• 43:48
  I don't know.
• 43:51
  Yeah. What do you think about regenerative medicine?
• 43:54
  Do you do any of that fun stuff?
• 43:56
  No.
• 43:58
  Are you for, against it, or neutral?
• 44:03
  I always like new things. I want to learn about it.
• 44:06
  Yeah.
• 44:07
  And I
• 44:09
  like progress, so.
• 44:11
  Yeah. So you're for it.
• 44:12
  Yes.
• 44:13
  Yeah.
• 44:14
  Doing regenerative stem cells such as MSCs or PSCs every three
• 44:20
  months is aesthetically recommended. It's biologics.
• 44:25
  It helps to just keep everything fresh.
• 44:29
  Wow. I need notes on this.
• 44:32
  So that's the future.
• 44:33
  Really?
• 44:34
  Yeah.
• 44:34
  Oh, okay.
• 44:35
  So how to choose your cells, where you get them, what process they go through.
• 44:41
  Yeah.
• 44:43
  There's a company in Florida that I like to use, and it is FDA approved there.
• 44:49
  Oh, wow.
• 44:49
  And it's sourced through an FDA hospital, and the women that are
• 44:55
  enrolled into this program, they're non-COVID vaccinated.
• 44:59
  They are all volunteers, and they have to go through all these different health
• 45:04
  checkpoints. It's very interesting to-
• 45:05
  Oh, wow
• 45:06
  ... just learn the process and
• 45:09
  yeah. And they do-
• 45:09
  There's so much evolving so quickly.
• 45:11
  Yeah.
• 45:11
  It's kind of such an amazing time to be alive.
• 45:14
  Yeah. No, it is.
• 45:15
  It is.
• 45:15
  Yeah. So I think as a maintenance, that's pretty exciting.
• 45:20
  Right?
• 45:21
  Yeah. You don't have to do that, but if you're always the person who likes progress
• 45:26
  and you're asking yourself, "What else can I do?" There's peptides, which are a
• 45:30
  short-term benefit.
• 45:32
  Yeah.
• 45:33
  But the stem cells-
• 45:34
  Stem cells are the long-
• 45:34
  ... will be your next level
• 45:36
  ... life level.
• 45:36
  Yeah, for maintenance. And then if you wanted more than maintenance because you
• 45:40
  have a shoulder injury or something further, you can do intramuscular injections
• 45:45
  with the MSCs. How much you get
• 45:49
  will be really kind of, that will change what your outcome is.
• 45:53
  Oh, wow.
• 45:53
  And then you compare that with exosomes, and that is really...
• 45:57
  It's very interesting.
• 45:58
  Yeah.
• 45:58
  You can see the cartilage change. You can do imaging before and after and see for
• 46:02
  yourself clinically, score the patient on the pain scale. You see the changes.
• 46:07
  Wow.
• 46:08
  Yeah.
• 46:08
  Oh, wow.
• 46:09
  It's fantastic. Yep.
• 46:11
  I love this.
• 46:12
  Yeah, and one more layer deep.
• 46:15
  Okay.
• 46:15
  In different countries, they'll also add in bioregulators.
• 46:18
  So with shoulder, for example, so think about the brain has to talk to the
• 46:23
  shoulder, the muscles, the cartilage. So they will stack in every cell type.
• 46:28
  It's like an organ transplant, but a cell transplant.
• 46:30
  So they'll stack in the cell type that is needed to repair So heart cells
• 46:37
  and nervous system cells and the neurons that are communicating.
• 46:42
  So very, very fun and fascinating, and it's happening now, and they're getting a
• 46:47
  lot of great outcomes.
• 46:48
  Okay.
• 46:48
  I love this.
• 46:49
  Yeah. I think even in Tijuana you can get this done.
• 46:52
  Okay. Are we
• 46:56
  Yeah.
• 46:56
  Come on.
• 46:56
  Yeah. Florida, Dubai.
• 46:59
  Yeah.
• 46:59
  There's a lot of major cities that are offering it, but that's really the concept.
• 47:03
  That's the future.
• 47:04
  Yeah.
• 47:05
  And if you think about different cultures that eat all the parts of an animal,
• 47:10
  they're not dealing with the same things that Americans are.
• 47:13
  Yeah.
• 47:13
  I've heard, yeah.
• 47:14
  Yeah.
• 47:14
  Because they're eating these, and it's the bioregulators, so we can just use that
• 47:19
  same concept and inject it.
• 47:20
  Oh, wow.
• 47:21
  Yeah.
• 47:23
  Fun facts.
• 47:25
  Love it.
• 47:26
  Yeah. So we're getting better at healing ourself. Food is medicine.
• 47:30
  It is. Most people don't realize.
• 47:32
  Yeah. Yep. How much you move, or if you're the person who's like, "I don't like to
• 47:37
  exercise," you can still augment your biology.
• 47:40
  You can still get that sweat, that detox, by going into modalities, like an
• 47:43
  infrared sauna.
• 47:44
  I also heard about sauna. Sauna twice a week, I heard, is like-
• 47:48
  Detoxing.
• 47:48
  Yeah.
• 47:48
  It's amazing. Induce the sweat if you're not going to physically induce a sweat.
• 47:54
  Yeah.
• 47:54
  Yeah.
• 47:56
  So we'll work on our wellness together.
• 47:59
  Yes. I love it.
• 48:00
  Yes.
• 48:02
  Yeah.
• 48:04
  All right. Well, if anybody wants to reach out, this information will be posted on
• 48:09
  our website. Is there anything else that you would like to tell listeners before we
• 48:12
  sign off?
• 48:14
  Go ahead, Joey.
• 48:15
  No, you go ahead first.
• 48:17
  You can go ahead.
• 48:17
  So courteous.
• 48:19
  Anyway, so well, I love Bakersfield in a way. This is local.
• 48:25
  I used to work here. So I lived here before-
• 48:28
  Okay
• 48:28
  ... so this is really my second home.
• 48:29
  Yeah.
• 48:30
  When I started my business back in Orange County, I was always wanting to come
• 48:34
  back, and I'm glad I'm back.
• 48:36
  Me too. We're so happy to have you. Love the work that you're doing, that our team
• 48:39
  is doing with Lenis Compassionate Care.
• 48:42
  If you guys know of anybody who could benefit from any hospice or home health,
• 48:47
  please reach out. Any last words from you while we wrap up today in the studio?
• 48:52
  Well, thank you for having us, Sarah.
• 48:54
  My pleasure.
• 48:55
  It's been such informative conversation.
• 48:57
  Good. That's my goal.
• 48:59
  I love it.
• 49:00
  Good.
• 49:01
  Thank you so much.
• 49:02
  Well, you're welcome back anytime.
• 49:04
  Thank you.
• 49:04
  And I'll see you probably in LA because I am stopping by there sometime soon.
• 49:08
  Oh, yay.
• 49:08
  Yeah.
• 49:10
  All right, thank you, guys.
• 49:11
  All right, thank you.
• 49:12
  All right, Mike, Black Sheep, thank you for joining us.
• 49:14
  Thank you.