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Elon Musk, Alex Jones and Andrew Tate in Wild Conversation! · Elon Musk Thinking

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  Elon, how are you good, Maria, Yeah, it's been quite a
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  he's tumultuous times wild times. Indeed, as you just mentioned, when there's
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  an account of the large number of followers that is restored to the system,
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  you have to re knit the thing together, so that takes several hours.
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  So Alex's account should be working at Alex, you know. I look,
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  I honestly don't know. I don't really know you and you don't know me.
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  But you know, one of the questions I really have to just get
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  out of the way, and you've probably talked about this ready before. Is
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  the whole Sandy Hook thing they've started denying, or that murders of children.
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  That's not cool at all, you know, And so just what exactly did
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  you say? And what what has gone on with that situation? You know,
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  I just I would like to actually hear what what did you say?
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  And yeah, well, Elon, thank you for allowing me back into the
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  public square so that I can actually tell the world what really happens. I
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  don't know how much would you like the short answer or the medium I think
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  I think at least the medium answer. I look, I guess people just
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  want to know, like obviously it would be like heartless and cruel to deny
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  a school shooting of children, or to attack the parents or anyone who was
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  involved. It seems that that would be, you know, just incredibly mean
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  and cool. Frankly, so it's sort of that's I think, you know
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  what a lot of people are upset about, or at least they think that
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  is the reason for you have said about and you know, if that were
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  true, I think it would rightly be. You know, I've set with
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  you. Yeah, yes, sir, Well please let me then just tell
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  you what really happened, Okay, and if you want me to send you
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  adosier with cliff and videos and rginals, I mean post this year account,
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  you know, yes, sir, I will do that. Social let me
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  tell you what happened. I'm a guy that didn't go to college in a
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  few years community college. I started out on Access TV twenty nine years ago.
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  I was not professionally trained, and by nineteen by two thousands, I
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  had thirty million viewers and listeners today, conservatively, I was the biggest shows
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  biggest Rogan is now a bigger and I had a very small operation and did
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  not even understand how powerful I was and so when that of them, I
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  just call it the school shooting, which I do believe happened years ago.
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  The internet exploded, and it was a top story for off and on for
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  years, with all these professors and former school safety people and all of them
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  saying they believed it was a drill, and I simply covered them, covering
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  that what was in an in court against me in both cases where I was
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  found guilty by judges. There's a judge in Trump's case, not even a
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  jury in real estate case. And then years later, after Trump got elected
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  and after I was deplatformed, it made me bigger. And so suddenly I
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  would wake up and there would be sometimes one hundred articles or more a day,
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  every major news channel saying that I was currently saying nobody died, currently
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  sending people to their houses, currently peeing on graves. I didn't even know
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  these people's names. I only said one of their names ever now, and
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  I believe their children died, And I understand all that. Okay, what
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  I'm saying. Imagine I was not in the platform, no mention of the
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  school shooting in Connecticut for like six seven years. Then they go back to
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  my timeline and it turns out it was a big New York PR firm,
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  Democratic Party. They dreads it up. They run hundreds of articles, sometimes
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  a day, but a week for over a year. Suddenly it becomes a
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  big story again, what's the pills for? Pardon me? Which is propaganda
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  phone? Was this pr PR is a proflic relations is a propaganda would for
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  propaganda? So I think we should qote. Yes, it was propaganda phone,
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  because that is in fact what they do. So what proaga? I
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  will find the name as soon as I'm off, because I can't do I'm
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  not good at doing Today's a once. I can't walk into bubble gum.
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  But I will post it to the two X because after they got their one
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  point five billion dollar judgment and asked for two point sixty seven trillion that the
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  GDP of India and I'm not joking folks, as Bloomberg, they then came
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  out and bragged that they had quarterbacks. The whole thing. They're the one
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  of the biggest state of the UNSPR, not that they had quarterbacks, quote
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  destroying Alex Jones. And so I did question it. I did say at
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  times I could see that I'm I can't even say it now they'll take it
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  a contact stats set it again. I did have what they interned in court
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  on me was twenty three minutes of video and audio over five six years.
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  We did an audit. I hadn't talked about them when they sued me.
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  For two years. I refused to talk about it. I apologize when the
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  PR firm got involved, and I know who it was. At the time,
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  it was just all the news. I said, hey, I thought
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  it happened. I said it happened. I said it happened. I decided
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  it happened five years after it happened, so I said, I'm not the
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  Fanny hook guy. It turns out some of these experts that said it had
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  happen are crazy. They made up stuff. I said, I believe it
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  happened, and then they spun it and said, oh, now he admits
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  he lied about it. So it isn't who I was. And it's kind
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  of like they've done with you, and you did nothing like I did.
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  I mean, I did question it. I did say a few times that
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  I thought it hadn't happened, but I didn't turn the knife. I didn't
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  really think about it. I thought about how I was talking about the internet
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  with YouTube videos with thirty forty million views that I didn't make. It was
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  a hot time that would come back from time to time. But no,
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  I was not the creator of it. I was not the presentator of it.
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  I was not the guy pushing it. And then I kept saying no,
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  I believe it happened, and they went, aha, you now admit
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  you lied for money. So what's not true is I never made any money
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  off of it. I barely ever covered it. It's not my identity.
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  And it's just like they misrepresent what you say, take one little thing and
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  twist it and then say you need to apologize for it, and they just
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  keep hammering it and hammering it. So I've been desperately. I mean,
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  in fact, I'll post it X of you one. There's over one hundred
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  apologies that I've given, over one hundred, it's fact, probably five hundred.
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  Every show I go on they ask this. I apologized on Joe Rogan's
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  show five years ago. I apologize on Patrick Ben David's show five years ago.
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  I mean these are prominent ones. I apologize on every show, and
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  I'll say it again. I apologize that I just gave my commentary because I'm
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  really just a guy that talk radio hosts. So I do that on the
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  internet. I just take calls, interview guests, and that I played Devil's
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  advocate and have that hurt people's feelings, I apologize, but I did not
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  send people to your houses. I did not pee on graves. I don't
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  know any of the stuff that went on. And then when they have the
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  trials after I was found guilty, trials on damages, there was never any
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  video of people peeing on graves, any video of people at houses. There
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  was an FBI agent who was there that day at the tragic event in New
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  Heavy, Connecticut, but Shandy Walker said the name he was there and he
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  didn't have an FBI that'sed on and his gun was pointed the wrong direction,
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  pointed upside down. The Internet questioned him when he got on the stand in
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  Connecticut. My lawyer said, has mister Jones ever said your name? No,
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  has mister Jones ever put your picture on the internet. No, have
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  any of his hosts done it? No, has Info Wars ever put your
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  picture out? I said your name? No, what happened to you,
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  sir? One man? He said, call eight years ago now and asked
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  me if I was really an FBI agent. The jury gave him ninety four
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  million dollars that doesn't exist, ninety four million that never said his name.
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  So I challenge people to find me say any of their names. I said
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  one guy's name, and I apologized to him on the stand. The thing
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  had probably one hundred million views on five or six different YouTube videos of him
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  smiling and laughing before he walked through the mic. I played the clip one
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  time and said, yeah, that looks like he's an actor. I did
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  not attack him, did not come after him, did not say his child
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  did die. Look I don't want to fight with him, though, I
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  said to them in a deposition, I said, I will chop my piky
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  finger off with a meat cleaver right now. I will if you'll just leave
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  me alone and stop saying I made hundreds of millions of dollars off of you,
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  and stop saying I'm attacking you. So so it's very simple. I
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  have become and I know what happened. The media ran a year of articles
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  attacking them in my name, saying things I never said as a strong man,
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  enraging them against me, and then so that they've been victimized, they've
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  been manipulated by a PR operation. And so I would love to come on
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  X with the families. I'd love to raise money on this show or your
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  show, Elon, or any of them. I'd love to come on here
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  and raise them ten million dollars for Guns Safe You wireis next week. I
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  would love you. I would love you to be in an open panel with
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  them. I would love Okay, Okay, it looks it looks like Ed
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  Kressenstein wants to talk ed. Would be good to hear from me. Yes,
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  So I'm kind I kind of have a question for you, Elon.
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  So let's say, okay, I mean it does me. No, it's
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  in regards to Alex Jones, though it's related. So let's say Alex Jones
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  or somebody else does the same thing but clearly directly claims that a school shooting
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  did not take place when we know it did. Does that future person or
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  Alex Jones get banned or is the new policy that they remain. We need
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  to look at the circumstances there. You know we're trying to follow here is
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  to obey the law. So obey the laws of the United States, the
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  laws of the countries in which access present, and but and really do our
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  best to not go beyond the law, on the premise that if the people
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  won't wish the lord be different, then the people will ask their presentatives or
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  their leaders to change the law. But otherwise, our goal is to hew
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  as closely to the law as possible. So if somebody says something that is
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  unlawful, then we will take action. If someone does not take do something
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  that is unlawful, then we would aspire to not take action. If the
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  law has changed, of course, then we will adjust our behavior accordingly.
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  So that's sort of the approach that we're taking. And now that we have
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  Community Notes, which while it's not perfect, I think is it's the best
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  fact checking that I've seen on the Internet, And so if someone were to
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  post false information, they can be community noted. And you know, it's
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  always important to say, like, no fact checking system is perfect. If
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  perfect perfection is the standard, you can just basically dispensed with all fact checking
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  because nothing will be perfect. But really it's really how good is the batting
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  average of any fact checking system. My observation of Community notes is that the
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  batting average that the probably that the note is correct is very high, much
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  better than anything else that I've seen on the Internet, and everything in community
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  notes, the code, the data, everything is open source. You can
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  independently recreate the outcome of any any notes as a third party, So that's
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  as full transparency. So I think that having the community not capability is a
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  very powerful. It's the most powerful disinformation weapon that I'm you know, actually
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  combating disinformation. I agree, Yeah, can I throw something in real quick?
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  Look, this is why I believe what people were saying and actually question
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  and for a little all thought it might not have happened. We were lied
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  to about WMD's in Iraq, We were relied to about anthracs in Iraq.
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  There was Operation north Woods. There was Operation north Woods. In two thousand,
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  ABC News declassified the US government plan to stage fake mass shootings and blowing
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  up airlines with people that would take off and would land CIA and then they
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  would actually just blow up a drone plane and then claim a mass event it
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  happened, or claim a mass faked shooting happened. So Jesse Smallett lied about
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  what he did. Hesbla and Hamas has Blran. It did kill a lot
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  of Israelis condemned the attack, but it wasn't true that they cut a bunch
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  of its heads off. Even the White House and Israel has to admit that.
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  Well, people came out and said they didn't believe that there was proof
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  that Hamas cut heads off. So the establishment view was they did cut heads
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  off, they didn't. So how do we penalize people that. I mean,
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  if somebody wants to believe the Earth's flat, they have a right to
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  and the community notes and everybody else can challenge them. But it's the establishment
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  lying so much that makes people not believe anything, and then they lose faith
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  in everything. I'm actually worried about this because a lot of my audience so
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  disillusion they think I'm an agent or something too. I'm not so so I
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  don't know how we handle this. But I think the government and the media
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  and the think tanks and the pr firms, the propaganda firms Xelon Rifley said,
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  have been lying professionally so much. They've poised in the well where no
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  one knows what to believe. They've created a smoke screen, and so I
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  don't know how we deal with that other than getting the Tony. I just
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  want to be like, you know, humus have a habit of cutting of
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  heads. Like they're quite proud of cutting off heads. You know, this
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  particular circumstance peraps, there's some uncertainty, but they do cut off a lot
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  of heads, and that that is, there's no question about that. And
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  they they're quite They're appeared to be quite jubilant. They're quite happy when they
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  cut these heads off. I don't like them off. I don't like them.
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  The brotherhood I don't like as well. Is that, you're right,
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  that is a hallmark, the crowd of cutting off heads my obtivation. No
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  mean, I agree you seventy Mark is shooting his guns and a red beard
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  short calling card is cutting off heads. I totally agree they do a lot.
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  You're right, Yeah, do you might? Can I jump in for
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  a second, Yeah, go to your right off to Yeah, I want
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  to go to your right off to the I just wanted to, you know,
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  share one thought in response to Ed's question, which is, let's take
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  the content of whatever speech it was that's issue off the table, kids being
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  shot in schools or otherwise. I think there's two kinds of ways to worry
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  if you worried about the spread of misinformation or false facts. One is let's
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  deal with the content of the speech itself. And Elon has talked about community
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  notes as being imperfect, though it is maybe the best method out there on
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  the Internet. And I think that's one set of discussions to have. That's
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  quite a different thing from what the law certainly looks at as the most draconian
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  First Amendment violation, which is what it calls a prior restraint, which is
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  to previously just restrain a person from speaking, period. And I think that
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  that is no matter what the content of the speech is. It's quite a
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  different thing to say that because of who you are or what you have said
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  in the past, you may not say another thing in the future. And
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  so I just think that those are two different concepts. And I just,
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  for one, just wanted to share my experience of my Alex Jones experience,
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  if I may have it perfectly, shit, I because you don't cut somebody's
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  tongue out even if I did the past. Well, but but you know
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  what I mean. But if people say false things, they deserve to have
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  the consequences for that particular speech out in the marketplace of opinions, and community
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  notes is one feature of doing that, and I think that's a legitimate discussion
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  to have. But the idea, first of all, let's just make the
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  observation that if somebody has said a once set a bad thing, then they'd
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  be restrained from speaking. Most people who have been in a position of prominence
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  in the US federal government would not be allowed to speak again in other forms
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  if that was the standard we were applying, right, I mean, you
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  think about anybody who's been in the CIA or the FBI and in a position
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  of saying that the hunter Biden lapped out story was false, or COVID didn't
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  start in a lab in China, So we could go down that whole rabbit
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  hole. But you know, well, yeah, I mean, as Alex
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  said earlier, I mean, and this is this is not missed, the
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  kind of attack on George fors. But George Bush did say George forst second,
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  did say that they were w mds. Right. He said it not
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  once, but but many times. And that and a lot that's that's what
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  that there was. He did not have sufficient evidence to make to make better
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  and a lot more deep people died as a consequence of that statement that Alex
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  Jones has incorrectly. But Alex, I think you know, Alex. I
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  think one of the things I just wanted to share with people is that I
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  would was actually just curious about this guy, Alex Jones. You know,
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  I've never met him, but I happened to be in Texas. I visited
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  this southern border and you know, I popped in Austin on the way back
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  or somewhere. I forget where we were, and I heard Alex Jones was
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  that's where he was. I said, I want to meet this guy that
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  everybody says don't meet. And so we sat down and I was actually surprised,
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  and we actually aired it on AX, or we or I put out
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  clips of it on X I can't remember, in like a podcast format.
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  And so I was expecting to get into debate about the Sandy Hook thing,
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  and as soon as I open up, what I get is a guy apologized
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  for being wrong, and then we moved on and talked about something else.
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  And so for me, it was just interesting, an eye opening, and
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  I think it would be interesting and ie opening for a lot of people as
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  well to sort of know that there are people who have who would have ever
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  thought, made some mistakes, said some things that were wrong, and said
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  some other things that were dead right that nobody else was saying either. And
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  the way that we get to the bottom of what's true is actually hearing one
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  another. And when people say something false, yeah, they just don't be
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  held accountable for excising. That's what. It's a cool thing that you know,
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  hopefully we're able to have more of that rathertheless, because of the exist
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  I mean, this platform didn't exist. You know, that avenue of sorting
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  out bad speech through more speech doesn't really exist on the Internet or in our
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  culture. And so I think that's in response to add a good thing,
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  not a bad thing in my opinion. Yeah, And actually to just elaborate
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  on the public relations firms PR firms, which really should be called propaganda firms,
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  because that's literally public relations is literally a propaganda word for propaganda. You
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  can read the history of how public relations was developed Edward Burnet's correct. So
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  the way that PR firms actually corrupt the media is actually in a very significant
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  way is that journalists are paid very little as journalists, but they can later
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  retire and join a PR firm and make a lot of money on the basis
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  of the of the articles they've written in the past and their contacts at their
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  publication. So there is actually a strong monetary incentive, very strong for corruption
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  of the traditional media. Elon it, I'm so glad you said that,
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  because people don't understand that's how these work, and I'm just not learning about
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  that. The PR firms are so powerful. They're full of intelligence agency former
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  people. So just like a general will sign off on some bad weapons system,
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  then he retires and gets on the major board of the defense contractor for
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  five million a year, it's a revolving door. And so that's why when
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  these big PR firms snap and say jump, the media says, how high,
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  And you're absolutely when it comes to fact checking, they're really one of
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  the most nasty, deceptive groups out there. Yeah, they're propaganda films.
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  Were just to make a lot more sense if you just think PR firm equals
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  propaganda. PR equals propaganda. That is literally what it means. And if
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  you read the state jumping out, he's jumping out. Is he jumping off
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  anyone else? Yeah, he's dropping off for me. Elon, you said,
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  yeah, you just jumped out, you know, as you get back.
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  Now, is Mike working? Good? Now, Mike's working. We're
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  on PR firms you're on PR firms equal propaganda. Yes, it's the public
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  works should really understand that public relations literally just means propaganda. PR firm means
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  propaganda. And the PR firms have very strong control over the traditional media because
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  that's where journalists go to retire and make tons of money. So that's there's
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  a very strong monetary incentive for journalists to do what the PR firms say because
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  they know that is where they're going to get rich in the future. Then
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  go elon, the question is more for Alex and Alex. Me and Alex
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  were discussing it before you jumped on. Is the pressure is any that you've
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  faced since reinstating or since you said you'll reinstate Alex. Now, Alex,
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  you know kind of referred to extreme scenarios where your life could be in danger
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  because of what you're doing with X. I know you mentioned it briefly in
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  one of the first places we had. You made a joke about, Hey,
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  guys, it's something happens to me. I'll never commit suicide. But
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  how much pressure have you faced in recent months? Obviously we've seen the back
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  and forth with a few organizations that are trying to censor others and has that
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  increase since you reinstated Alex. I mean, at this point reading the sort
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  of legacy media is just depressing. I accidentally, once in a while we'll
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  go see like Google News or whatever, or you know, the Ugu news
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  or whatever, some sort of random things. I'm like, this is just
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  I mean, fractically, the quality of the propaganda isn't even good. I
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  look, if you're going to do propaganda, at least make it entertaining.
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  And I find it's still boring. It's, you know, and just not
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  even well written. Well that's right. Don't put out one thing and then
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  they all parroted it. It's a dog lazy propaganda. It's like Workada.
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  We've got Andrew Tay here as well. Andrew, how are you, Andrew?
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  Your mike? Is it working? You got a unmute bottomless corner?
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  Can you hear me? We can? Yeah, yeah, I'm good friend.
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  I'm in the middle of a poker game. But since this is the
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  battle for humanity against the Satanists with its constant deception of the populace, I
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  thought I would jump in and say hello to everybody. Your thought's Andrew.
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  We had we had brother on earlier Tristan, come on earlier. Your thoughts
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  on Alex Jones being back on next I'd rather hear thoughts on Elon must be
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  in the biggest maverick of the last five hundred years. I'm not kissing ash
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  here, Elon you the way. I mean you're You've got big ones man
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  on every front. You are literally overturning the entire power structure. I was
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  just gonna say this one's Andrew get in, but I have I just want
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  to say this while you're here. I mean, you are literally changing the
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  entire paradigm and you've definitely got the system scared it. And so everybody needs
• 20:07
  to support X. Everybody needs to support the sponsors on X. I personally
• 20:11
  am doing all my Christmas shopping this year with all the great gadgets and stuff
• 20:14
  that they're on X. But I'm gonna shut up now. But I would
• 20:15
  imagine, say, talking about Alex Jones, I luck to hear Andrew Jake
• 20:18
  talk about or asked questions to Elon mush. Yeah. Well, Alex is
• 20:22
  certainly a friend of mine. I've known him for a long time and I'm
• 20:25
  extremely happy he's back. I've celebrated that publicly, but Alex nailed it.
• 20:29
  Elon is taking the biggest risk here. It takes unlimited energy to propagate lies.
• 20:33
  You have to continually repeat them, and you have to continue try and
• 20:37
  falsify information and hide the truth to keep lies afloat. And this simple purchase,
• 20:42
  you call it simple, The purchase of a simple website has literally cracked
• 20:45
  the matrix in real time, and it becomes extremely difficult now to run the
• 20:51
  sie offs they were previously running and enslave the populace, which is their primary
• 20:53
  goal. So Elon is a hero, absolutely, And the risks you are
• 20:57
  taking, Elon, I don't think many people out home actually understand the gravity
• 21:00
  of the risks you are taking, because your ability to speak freely is heavily
• 21:06
  leveraged against your insignificance. You're only allowed to speak if nobody listens to you.
• 21:10
  And if you get big and people start listening, they're gonna come at
• 21:12
  you hard. And I think I'm not completely verse, but from what I
• 21:15
  understand, Elon's already suffering the law fair tactics which they're gonna do. They're
• 21:19
  gonna keep pulling out the hat to try and slow him down, or oh,
• 21:23
  oh, Andrew, let me interrupt before I forget that. I won't
• 21:26
  give any attention the same law firm that came after me with these PR firms.
• 21:29
  You've just jumped outus and GOTX. Just dropped out anyone else can Yeah,
• 21:33
  he got it? Call. There is a three letter agency running this,
• 21:37
  not all of them, but let's just say it starts with a CE
• 21:40
  and it ends with an A sorry, go ahead, Andrew, Yeah,
• 21:41
  absolutely. And there's liberal NGOs which will sponsor agents of the matrix. They'll
• 21:45
  sponsor females to end up in a house party and then lie to try and
• 21:48
  then put you in a Romanian jail cell and get you sitting with the cockroaches
• 21:52
  in a dungeon. And it's a very scary world where you get to a
• 21:56
  point where you're the only time trying to tell the truth and they're gonna punish
• 21:59
  you for that using endless lawfare. And this battle has only just begun.
• 22:04
  But the matrix that is truly cracked now, and it's going to be extremely
• 22:07
  hard to lie to us like they did before with X the way it currently
• 22:10
  is. And I think it came at exactly the right time. I almost
• 22:14
  without trying to sound pessimistic, there was a point where I kind of felt
• 22:17
  like I was losing hope. You couldn't tell the truth about anything. Everything
• 22:19
  was a lie. Everything from head to toe was a lie. And they're
• 22:22
  trying to lock us fall back on our houses again and we can finally talk
• 22:26
  about it. It's truly heroic and Elon's taking massive risk and the respect I
• 22:30
  have for him for doing that is enormous. Absolutely, I mean, this
• 22:33
  is what happens. I'm gonna shut up so I don't hear from Elon,
• 22:36
  but this is so historic. Elon musk courage and it's true, I'm saying,
• 22:40
  has broken the back of the globalist. They'll never be able to turn
• 22:44
  this around again unless they have a nuclear war. Elon Musk has broken their
• 22:48
  back. Yeah. Well, I guess some people are afraid to die.
• 22:52
  That's and you know what, it's kind of crazy because I was talking to
• 22:55
  someone the other day and I was explaining that they were asking about my seizure,
• 22:57
  how they took all my houses, all my money, oh my god,
• 23:00
  blah blah, and I said, you never truly own anything on this
• 23:02
  earth anyway. You can have a piece of paper that says you own it,
• 23:04
  but if you pissed off the government structures, they just get a judged
• 23:07
  stamp, a different piece of paper, and you no longer own it.
• 23:08
  The only thing you own is your soul and your integrity, and this is
• 23:11
  the one thing they cannot take away from you, no matter what they do
• 23:15
  to you. And that is the best feeling on earth. It doesn't matter
• 23:18
  if you can sell your soul to the devil and repeat what they want you
• 23:21
  to say, but then you truly own nothing. And I think that as
• 23:25
  history books look back on this pivotal moment when X was finally freed and the
• 23:29
  information of the world could finally be spoken freely. I really do believe we're
• 23:32
  on the right side of history. And if you were to ask me if
• 23:34
  there's anything worth dying for, it would be for the freedom of humanity and
• 23:37
  to be on the right side of history. So I agree with you absolutely,
• 23:40
  look yeah, absolutely, And well, I'm just generally in favor of
• 23:41
  civilization and the furtherance of civilization, and I think we should always be concerned
• 23:47
  that we can regress as a civilization. And if you study history, you
• 23:52
  can just see the arc of one civilization after another, as the civilization's rise
• 23:56
  and fall through history. We've been in a period of civilization rising very rapidly,
• 24:03
  but we should be concerned that it may be cresting, we may subside.
• 24:07
  And I have to say, are many times where I get late stage
• 24:11
  civilization vibes, you know, and I'm just worried that maybe we're cresting as
• 24:15
  a civilization and have set it for a fall. So, yeah, well,
• 24:18
  I agree with you because I truly believe and a lot of people have
• 24:21
  ever said this before me. This is not original idea, but I think
• 24:23
  as ai and machines and tech increases, a lot of people are going to
• 24:26
  be deemed useless by the overlords. And then you have to sit and decide
• 24:30
  what are they going to do with all these people who have hopes and dreams
• 24:33
  and they want healthcare, and they want garden, and they want house to
• 24:34
  live in, and they don't want to be treated like cattle. They're going
• 24:37
  to become extremely inconvenient. So I don't think many people at home understand that
• 24:41
  this war cannot be avoided. I've had a lot of people who understand why
• 24:45
  they threw me in jail in Romania and understood I've done nothing wrong, and
• 24:48
  they said to me, why do you take up this fight? Why you
• 24:49
  don't just delete your Twitter and disappear and drive a Ferrari all day? And
• 24:52
  I explain that this war cannot be avoided. You're either on the front line
• 24:56
  and you're fighting for something, or you're sitting waiting to die. You're wing
• 25:00
  for the Mongol Horde to come over the horizon and truck your head off.
• 25:03
  No, I totally out of it. And just to throw this in there,
• 25:06
  if you read Elon, I knew you were doing great work when I
• 25:08
  saw you six months ago at the World Government summit where they're all detained.
• 25:12
  We're going to make everybody eat bugs and world make the decisions. But microchip
• 25:15
  sentiment, you said, we don't want a centralized system. We want a
• 25:18
  diverse system. We want firewalls, And I don't agree with this tower of
• 25:22
  Babel you're building. They know that we go through cycles, and they want
• 25:27
  to artificially create a great reset collapse in their own words, to make everybody
• 25:32
  else for consolidate power and they'll have a smaller Type two civilization for themselves.
• 25:37
  And I think you're trying to build a Type two civilization or even a Type
• 25:40
  one civilization. I should say for all of us. And you said we
• 25:45
  need to have a debate about we need to have a debate about going interstellar.
• 25:48
  We've got to expanid re collapse. And Elon Musk is saying, correct
• 25:51
  me if I'm wrong. You don't stay in stations. You either expand or
• 25:55
  you collapse. Yeah, xactly. You either brow your or your collapse.
• 25:59
  You don't. A steady state is basically an impossibility. So you have to
• 26:02
  pick it. You have to make a choice if you want to grow civilization
• 26:06
  or do you want to decline in collass because you know steady state is it
• 26:10
  is not stable. So and I say we grow, and I say we
• 26:14
  expand, and we have more humans and we become a multiplanist species in a
• 26:18
  space frank civilization and ultimately be out there among the stars. And I think
• 26:22
  that is the exciting, inspiring thing for the future, not a declining human
• 26:26
  civilization that dwindles to nothingness and where humanity dies with a whimper. And that's
• 26:30
  the bottom line. I think it is the battel of people who believe in
• 26:33
  humans and humanity and wanted to expand against people who were so selfishly going through
• 26:37
  the earth and so selfishly orientated that they don't care about expanding civilization. They
• 26:41
  just want to control the humans that are currently here. And Andrew totally let
• 26:47
  me throw this caveat because I've read the writings of Bill Gates and claud Schwab
• 26:49
  and the Club of Rome. They know we could easily expand there's plenty of
• 26:53
  room, one hundreds of billions own galaxies. They know that this was just
• 26:57
  a seed. This can not just grow to one giant oak, but an
• 27:00
  entire forest, an entire universe. And so they want to shut everybody else
• 27:06
  down because they can't do a competition. Elon Musk to come out of the
• 27:08
  general public. They want a global tyranny so they can direct it and control
• 27:12
  it, so that they direct the expansion. And we can't let that happen
• 27:17
  because they literally talk about it as in a twenty official UN plan, a
• 27:19
  ninety percent world popular. So we need to go with the Elon Musk plan.
• 27:26
  And that's why I tell people that get upset. They go Elon Musk
• 27:27
  is involved in every advancing technology. The globalist they're pushing that too. Well,
• 27:32
  technology is like a gun, it's who's hand it's in, and so
• 27:36
  we need the gun in the people's hands, the gun of expansion instead of
• 27:40
  in the global of hands. And so just because Elon Musk is on the
• 27:42
  cutting edge of every technology, don't fear the technology like some Trocolodie fear us
• 27:47
  not being in control of it. And Elon is saying, we need it
• 27:49
  to be an expansionary human explosion of competition and freedom, not some new dark
• 27:56
  age with a tiny breakaway civilization. It's only working for itself. Sharrem RANCHM
• 28:00
  No, but you're completely right, because if Elon doesn't push these boundaries,
• 28:04
  they will push these boundaries, and once they have the sole control and the
• 28:07
  monopoly over such technologies, it's over for all of us. I don't think
• 28:10
  most people understand it. Simply is the humanistic view against the death cult view.
• 28:14
  And there's people in the world who have no interesting they have no interest
• 28:18
  in growing humanity, no interest in advancing the species as a whole. Their
• 28:22
  interest is in power and control, and all they want to do is have
• 28:25
  absolute power over the people that currently exist. And you can talk about all
• 28:27
  the perverse reasons they want to do those exact things, but it's truly scary.
• 28:32
  And all the people at home who don't really understand the gravity of this
• 28:36
  sight. They seem to think it's right wing left wing. Hy yes,
• 28:38
  exactly, don't thinking about it the wrong way. It's a good little lecture.
• 28:42
  You're totally exactly this right left is the wrong way to think about it.
• 28:45
  It's the sort of the extinctionists versus the pro humans. And once you
• 28:48
  see that it's extinctionists versus the human the pro humans, then it becomes very
• 28:53
  clear. So elon, when are you going to I know you got one
• 28:56
  hundred arms the fire, but I really when you talk about we need to
• 29:00
  create a Plan B for humanity, well that's really I mean, I think
• 29:06
  an alternate master plan because the global is control right now, you're trying to
• 29:10
  rest control with us helping. I mean, when are you gonna put out
• 29:12
  your battle plan or you're already putting it out a piece? No, I
• 29:17
  mean what I'm saying is that actually I think we should expect humanity, Like
• 29:21
  basically, we should have more kids, you know, population should increase,
• 29:25
  and we should become a multi planet species and you know, make life multiplanetary,
• 29:30
  bold a self sustaining civilization on Mars, and then ultimately, you know,
• 29:33
  this will be long after I'm dead, probably, but we all suddenly
• 29:37
  we can go to other star systems and go out there, and I don't
• 29:40
  know, maybe we'll find some long dead alien civilizations. And I don't think
• 29:42
  we want to be one of those lay one planet civilizations that never got beyond
• 29:47
  you know, its own planet. I mean, we're gonna, you know,
• 29:49
  the alien's gonna think of that. We we gotta make a good showing
• 29:53
  team. Human absolutely computing, but it's essential, and truthfully, it's so
• 30:00
  amazing we'd even speak about these things. Only two years ago you couldn't even
• 30:03
  speak about these subjects. But it's so pertinently obviously anyone who pays attention,
• 30:07
  and it is scary and expansion and humanistic views are certainly the way to progress,
• 30:11
  and it has to be done. There's no other way. Just like
• 30:14
  a business. Just like you guys said, if you stand still, you
• 30:15
  die, And it takes a few brave people to break the matrix. You
• 30:19
  have to break the dam. And I think bravery is so important because it
• 30:22
  puts a crack in the dam and it shows that if there's people out there
• 30:26
  brave enough to risk getting canceled risks loss risk law fair, then it's going
• 30:30
  to in fire bravery amongst f for the populist, and it becomes extremely hard
• 30:34
  to lie to brave. And I think that's one of the largest pandemics of
• 30:37
  Earth today is bravery. And when I say bravery, I don't mean that
• 30:41
  in any kind of negative connotation. Bravery is being full of love and loving
• 30:44
  the people around you, and sticking up for your community and loving where you
• 30:47
  live and loving your country. And it's brave to do those things. Then
• 30:49
  it's what are the global of children? Are bad? We're ugly humans create
• 30:55
  you know, all this racial division. They want us to hate each other,
• 30:57
  so we just give up over so the globalist can have the future.
• 31:02
  I would just like to say are short sighted too, because the thing is
• 31:06
  that you can't really separate yourself from civilization. So I think those of who
• 31:08
  are sort of advocate a like believe I think it's just logical to be pro
• 31:12
  civilization. You don't actually necessarily have to be altruistic. You just have to
• 31:17
  think long term and say, obviously, you cannot exist in a good way
• 31:19
  without civilization. I mean, just look at watch one episode of Naked and
• 31:22
  Afraid and see how much you want to go live in a forest by yourself.
• 31:26
  We're in a very very We're in a super pivotal moment now, and
• 31:30
  the reason we're in a pivotal moment is because the machines cannot do the policing
• 31:33
  as of yet. My brother and I often talk about how bad COVID would
• 31:37
  have been if they had terminator machines. You didn't have your mask on,
• 31:41
  You couldn't even appeal to the empathy of the person who knew how insane it
• 31:44
  all was. As soon as the machines control the policing, it's absolutely over.
• 31:48
  And we're not that far away. So we're in a very pivotal period
• 31:51
  now where the bravery that's required to resist the globalist oppression has to happen now
• 31:56
  soon it will exists and then over for everybody. Critical crossroads right now in
• 32:01
  the entire future of the human destiny. And I called it plan, but
• 32:06
  I mean, elon, what do you call it? Just an alternate plan
• 32:07
  for humanity? Because we have a debate because because the black Rocks and the
• 32:12
  Bubblos are right now in control, if they were one hundred percent control,
• 32:15
  you and others have helped rested, maybe they're an eighty percent control they're losing
• 32:20
  control very quickly as people discover what they're doing. But what would you call
• 32:23
  the debate and discussions about a pro human future? Humanity? Yeah, to
• 32:28
  humanity, absolutely, that sounds that sounds good. But you know, I
• 32:31
  think like something that's that that is really important. It is like you just
• 32:35
  literally you have to have kids. There's no next generation, Alex. Do
• 32:37
  you have kids? Yes? I do. I'm not as prolific, but
• 32:40
  I wish I was the best thing in my life by a four. Okay,
• 32:43
  great, and Andrew, I do a few. I won't let you
• 32:45
  down. Elon, I'm coming. I'm to take over your title. I'm
• 32:49
  coming to take over and doing my best. You know, I use my
• 32:52
  good looks for something. Well. I think we order to encourage people to,
• 32:55
  you know, have kids. And this is the bottom line argument.
• 32:59
  This is what it's so important. We just talked about how the globalists are
• 33:01
  ultimately selfish and only cares, but most the globalists don't have children. You
• 33:07
  guys are all attacking the globalists. But if you ask a globalist, like
• 33:12
  I have friends who would I would consider globalists with you ask them their ideologies
• 33:17
  are aligned that they believe that somebody living across the world is just as valuable
• 33:23
  as somebody who lives in America. And I know, you know there's already
• 33:28
  enslaved the third world. And that's not how everybody who you would categorized as
• 33:36
  globalists the top are depopulation. Maybe if you want to look at the top,
• 33:40
  you can say globalists at the top. Some of them might have that
• 33:44
  view. But you know, if you just talk to an ordinary person who
• 33:46
  views themselves as a globalist, they're not saying, oh, you know,
• 33:50
  I'm evil. They're not an evil person. They just had this belief that
• 33:53
  everybody, every human being around the globe is equal. I would call that
• 33:59
  a's international. Say globalist wants one world government run by corporation. Yeah,
• 34:04
  I mean, I think you can label them differently, but I think if
• 34:06
  you talk to somebody, well, theer was the globalist, Bega Presidentity was
• 34:09
  the globalist. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but their number
• 34:13
  one rule is the earth's fall, we can't expand we've got a beam count
• 34:17
  and put every body on rations. We've got a social engineer and in the
• 34:22
  normal human program. Because humans are failed, they want to turn us into
• 34:24
  factory farm humans. Those are lot of if you just say, like,
• 34:30
  some of these titles are a little confusing. If someone say someone's an internationalist
• 34:35
  or a globalist, I think where what can achieve some dissambiguation here is to
• 34:39
  say, like, did this someone have as an axiomatic belief that there are
• 34:44
  too many people on the Earth or do they not? Do they have do
• 34:46
  they believe that the Earth can sustain the current population or do they think it
• 34:50
  cannot? Now, the reality is Earth can actually handle a human population probably
• 34:54
  ten times larger than the car population. Earth is actually very sparsely populated.
• 35:00
  Humans. We only see dacity because if we're in a of an environment like
• 35:02
  New York or Boston, London or something like that. But if like He'll
• 35:07
  be like a good test. If you took a plane from Ellie to New
• 35:09
  York and you try to drop a bully ball and hit somebody, your chances
• 35:14
  of success are basically zero. You'd have to drop ten thousand balling ball.
• 35:17
  Maybe yes, you just and I'll tell you sort of something about the mainstare
• 35:22
  of people. A little bit is that there are thousands of objects only onto
• 35:25
  Earth from space all the time. But how often do you hear about someone
• 35:30
  actually getting hit by falling out by meteorites. There's one known case of a
• 35:35
  woman what your house getting on. I would just respond to ed actually for
• 35:37
  a second, because again when it comes I want to I think it's good
• 35:42
  to get a good counterview here. I think that there's two different things going
• 35:45
  on it. And I know what you're I know what you're trying to say.
• 35:46
  There's a separate point about your obligations, right, so you can and
• 35:50
  I believe a lot everything has been said about the importance of expansionism for humanitarian
• 35:54
  for humanity being pro civilization and expansion pro human race to win. That's like
• 36:00
  a separate axis though from saying where are your obligations? Where you are right?
• 36:06
  So we talked about procreation and family, then we talked about the nation.
• 36:08
  Well, look, I have two kids. As a father, my
• 36:12
  moral obligation, I believe is first and foremost to my family. And then
• 36:16
  let's say, as a president, my moral obligation is to the citizens of
• 36:21
  the nation that I lead. And then you can worry about hunger and the
• 36:23
  congo or whatever else needs to happen in the darf or in other places.
• 36:28
  And so I don't think that you're saying necessarily that life at home exactly,
• 36:32
  and that's not saying that life abroad is any less valuable inherently. And so
• 36:37
  when you say, like the globalist view is that all it's saying is that
• 36:40
  all life is equal wherever it is on Earth, it's not like I think
• 36:45
  the view, an alternative view is countering that. There's also just a separate
• 36:50
  place in terms of where you're situated. Where's your obligation, right is,
• 36:53
  as a father, it's to your family. As a president, it's to
• 36:55
  your country. And just because you believe that's the hierarchy of your obligation,
• 37:00
  mean somebody else is the leader of one of those other countries and that's an
• 37:02
  obligation that they have too. But that's a different discussion. The neoliberals,
• 37:08
  in their own pr they're the ones doing the worst things on the earth.
• 37:12
  They just say, oh, we want global government because we want to give
• 37:15
  Africa's representation. Then they lock them down for three years and start thirty million
• 37:20
  of them to death and then organize them to flood us. Is a political
• 37:22
  underclass. This is cold blooded. Ten Rey Kissinger's Chaine Department random two hundred.
• 37:28
  I mean it's not black. I think it's different conversations, and then
• 37:36
  we'll go to day Andrew. What what I do believe is black and white
• 37:38
  is simply, if you read a history book, you'll see the worst things
• 37:42
  that humanity have ever done have been good with good intentions. That's what's so
• 37:45
  bad about evil acts is that people think doing the right thing, and that's
• 37:47
  the most dangerous thing about it. And this idea that they look at all
• 37:52
  human life is sacred and all the same, I actually disagree. I think
• 37:53
  the reason they will prioritize people in a third world country, for example,
• 37:58
  you'll say it because they see us as equal. I think it is because
• 38:00
  they see us now as spoilt and annoying. They don't like that we need
• 38:04
  pensions and living space and healthcare. They simply want slaves in a robot class,
• 38:07
  and they'll do anything it takes to get it, and they'll get it
• 38:08
  from anywhere they can. And when someone comes along and says, well,
• 38:12
  my intentions are good, I'm not interested in that. Because you can name
• 38:15
  any holocaust or any atrocity in history that people didn't think they were the bad
• 38:19
  guys. They often thought they were the good guys. And I guess the
• 38:22
  easy way to look at life is you want to be having as made children
• 38:24
  as possible. You want to pray other people do the same, and you
• 38:28
  want those people to enjoy freedom. And anyone who's coming along restricting speech,
• 38:31
  restricting access to certain things, restricting movement, restricting. All they're doing is
• 38:36
  trying to restrict so they can control. And nobody in a history book ever
• 38:38
  who did that either was the good guy. I think it's very clear to
• 38:42
  see who's on the right side of history and who isn't. And I advocate
• 38:45
  freedom for everybody. If I disagreed with absolutely everything Alex said, I'd still
• 38:49
  be glad he's back on X. And these people can't even handle a different
• 38:52
  opinion. Do you think they're going to allow the people of a different opinion
• 38:54
  to them to share Walter, or share food, or share anything else once
• 38:57
  they are And the reason they don't want another opinion is they want to misrepresent
• 39:00
  with Elon Musk or Andrew Tait or Vivid Ramaswani or any of I'm telling you,
• 39:06
  they want a silence so they can lie about what we said. Yeah,
• 39:09
  I agree with you, I have a que Jackson. I'm going to
• 39:13
  go to your run off to day. I mean, I'm just saying I
• 39:15
  agree that with you there. I think that a lot of the media and
• 39:19
  a lot of these platforms do want to silence voices because they want their voice
• 39:23
  to be heard louder. So yeah, I definitely here you there, I
• 39:28
  definitely don't. I definitely when it comes to globalists, I think, you
• 39:30
  know, it's not black and white. You're not either a globalist or you're
• 39:34
  not. I think people fall in between, and they have There's different reasons
• 39:37
  for why people might feel one way about one. You know, you could
• 39:39
  say globalist idea and another. So I mean, I don't like painting people
• 39:45
  like, you know, with a black and white pen because I feel that
• 39:49
  everybody falls somewhere in the middle. That there are people that want a corporate
• 39:53
  world government whose aim is depopulation, not giving the general public access technology by
• 40:00
  lying about resources and literally saying carbon dioxide that plants breathe is evil and then
• 40:05
  telling us the world's gonna end a twenty thirty and the eyes capture all in
• 40:07
  the melt, and none of that's true. So our children basically give up
• 40:12
  all the future, decided not to have children, that's all I'm saying,
• 40:15
  Elon Munk, if we're voting an optimistic pro human feature the science that evidence
• 40:19
  shows is real and that we need gentlemen, I have to know. Yeah,
• 40:22
  I just started exactly what clear about. I'm super pro human and I
• 40:27
  mean old humans, you know, Givens in America humans and everybody else her
• 40:32
  phone open to the bathroom and that's that show phone. The fact I'm not
• 40:36
  able to meet you, go ahead, Sorry about that. Well, I
• 40:38
  hope I feel great. Thank you guys. So, yeah, you know,
• 40:43
  I'm super pro human, like for Team Humanity here, and I just
• 40:45
  think we want to make sure that people have a positive view of the future.
• 40:49
  And like, I think I entire a lot of people who have actually
• 40:52
  very pessimistic conclusions about the future. And if you say, if you try
• 40:55
  to unpack that and say, where does that pessimism come from? And I
• 40:59
  think these are like, you know, good people, like they have good
• 41:00
  intentions. I think they think about things can come from. Is believing that
• 41:05
  that there are too many humans on the planet. This is false. Earth
• 41:07
  can easily sustain far more than the car population. But they've been told this
• 41:12
  thing and they've believed it, and it is false. And very pro environment
• 41:15
  Obviously I might have done more about more, you know, absolutely I might
• 41:20
  have done more, you know, for sustainable energy than maybe any single human,
• 41:23
  So I you know, I would consider myself an environmentalist, but I
• 41:27
  also believe in physics and reality and not sort of being alarmist about things and
• 41:34
  was really smart. And I was because I've seen the equations amount of mathematician
• 41:37
  or rocketshids like you. But we need the fossil fuel to get to the
• 41:40
  new technologies, and you can't cut them all off and then not have it.
• 41:45
  They're blowing up the bridge that gets them there. I would like what
• 41:47
  I would like to say my final point. I would like to say.
• 41:51
  I often get asked by people who follow me. They say, who do
• 41:53
  you think who controls the world? Who do you think the matrix is?
• 41:55
  And I use the matrix as a very simple way to explain that they purpore
• 41:59
  a false version of reality that everyone buys into to keep your mind occupied so
• 42:02
  they can extract your body heat from you for the soulless machines, which are
• 42:06
  essentially essentially the globess we're talking about. And I try and say that I
• 42:09
  still believe that we run the world. There's a lot more of us than
• 42:13
  them. We still control the world. It's just down to what we will
• 42:15
  accept and what will allow them to do to us. And that's why bravery
• 42:19
  is so essentially and so essential and so important. And I know I can
• 42:22
  come across a brash with my message, Well you're not I'm telling sixteen year
• 42:25
  old. I'm telling sixteen year olds to go and get rich and buy a
• 42:30
  fast car and train hard and go to the gym, et cetera. Because
• 42:32
  these young men are far less likely to blindly comply, and it's extremely important
• 42:37
  that they don't sile off the next generation of young masculine youth. And that's
• 42:39
  why the system was scared of you, Andrew, because hug doing version of
• 42:44
  it to shock them out of it, to show them how to have a
• 42:45
  destiny, how to have desire, how to want to be into the future.
• 42:49
  Then you're right, we still control the world, and it's down to
• 42:52
  what we will accept, and it's going to take bravery and love. You
• 42:54
  need to love the people around you, and love the human race, and
• 42:57
  love the place you're from. And I just want top up by thing that
• 43:00
  I would never kill myself and if they put me back in that dungeon to
• 43:04
  starve. I hope you will all do your very best to get me out
• 43:07
  because I'm we will love you. Can I just trust something happens. I'm
• 43:09
  gonna talk to you on musk here and everybody else and this is a real
• 43:13
  Andrew take them Ray is crazy. John. I've got a friend I want
• 43:15
  to get on. We also have Mark. Guys just really stood up for
• 43:19
  free speech. He's on the line. If you get a question, I'm
• 43:21
  want to leave Alex, but I just want to say a welcome on Twitter,
• 43:23
  and I think there will be more truth than not all as equal,
• 43:27
  So hail to the truth. Take it my one quick question. So,
• 43:34
  I guess the premise as to why Alex was banned so long was that,
• 43:38
  you know, he supposedly lied about in atrocity and that goes against ex community
• 43:44
  guideline. That's actually that's not quite correct. The at least was before you
• 43:49
  know I acquired the company. But the actual reason for stenting him was he
• 43:53
  basically assaulted a journalist. Well, it wasn't like your purpose for keeping him
• 43:59
  believed because the media had said that. Now he's learning that, right.
• 44:01
  I'm just going off of what looked I just looked at the logs for reason
• 44:07
  for suspension that was basically a third strike violation, a third trick violation was
• 44:12
  insulting a journalist. And yeah, this is literally this This was not my
• 44:15
  decision. This is literally the Twitter logs of the old people that used to
• 44:17
  run Twitter. Yeah, I get. I guess what I'm saying is like
• 44:22
  under your leadership, though the suspension was kept in place. I remember you
• 44:25
  tweeted out because you're not going to bring someone back who lied about you know,
• 44:30
  the death of innocent children. So if that's the case, then and
• 44:35
  and we're going to uphold things fairly and firmly for all x users colleens that
• 44:38
  like if Alex or anyone else on this panel lied about Sandy Hook or an
• 44:43
  atrocity again, that they would also be banned. Again you already answered that,
• 44:47
  yeah, I've already yeah, Okay, So so if that is the
• 44:53
  if that is the case, the law and will adhere to the law.
• 44:58
  That is what this platform will do. So so if somebody says it just
• 45:01
  does something illegal, then they will be suspended. If they do not do
• 45:06
  something illegal, then that they may we will try our best to avoid any
• 45:08
  kind of permanent bands unless someone does something fundamentally illegal. Elon, I don't
• 45:14
  know, We don't know. Just trying to stay true to the Constitution of
• 45:16
  the United States and the United in America and the laws of the country as
• 45:21
  decided by the citizens. Elon and Elon way more interesting. And I just
• 45:25
  asked one question to Elon. Elon, it's great having you here in Texas.
• 45:29
  You're kicking ash, You're Texas through and through your whole spirit. We
• 45:31
  love you. Whatever happens with Trump down the road, should we change the
• 45:35
  constitution so you can run for president? Would you ever think about that.
• 45:37
  I would like to stay as a technologist and build rockets and electric cars and
• 45:43
  you know, things that technologies that hopefully have a good effect on the world
• 45:46
  and advanced civilization. That would be my preference. I would not like to
• 45:51
  be president, so that would I would just like to build things that are
• 45:54
  further civilization. That that's a smart I think that's a smart answer. Are
• 45:59
  you concerned if the deep state establishment, you know, it's not just one
• 46:02
  group, is able to kill Trump or not let him run for office for
• 46:07
  the repercussions, I mean, are you optimistic for the future currently or just
• 46:12
  how do you feel about the election coming up? Well, I think it
• 46:15
  will not be a boring yet, that's for sure. I think it's going
• 46:17
  to be it's going to be eventful. I suspect, I don't know,
• 46:21
  you seem to be quite concerned that people will try to assassinate Trump, but
• 46:24
  I don't know if I obviously and gainst assassination generally. So you know,
• 46:30
  I guess Hitler was alive, I'd be faver assassinating him. But you know,
• 46:34
  but you know, Stlin, you know that kind of thing I would
• 46:37
  be. Your attitude is tell the world of freedom in humanity two point zero
• 46:42
  and a new renaissance. The establishment will just step aside because our ideas are
• 46:45
  so good? Is that what you're saying? Look, I think what I'm
• 46:47
  saying is that I think it is it is very difficult to predict the pure
• 46:50
  sure that we're certainly going to have a very contentious election and have some contentious
• 46:55
  elections worldwide. The X platform will strive to be as as true full as
• 47:00
  possible about what's going on, and to you know, that's going to be
• 47:04
  the goal. And you know, facelex is gona built rockets and tell us
• 47:07
  gona voute cars and ask for what will happen? And I mean, I
• 47:09
  don't know what's going to happen, but I think, man, is there
• 47:12
  any big twenty twenty four is getting quite the encore for twenty twenty three?
• 47:15
  Is my suspicion. I know you've talked about incredible jets, you want to
• 47:19
  invent some other things. Is there any other big advntion that you've got on
• 47:22
  the drawing board in the back of your mind that you haven't announced the world
• 47:25
  that you want to tell people about today. No, this would not be
• 47:28
  the forum for announcing any new products of technologies. I mean that we do
• 47:31
  have, you know, the neuralink chip, which I know some people might
• 47:35
  be concerned about, but that's really something that will take a lot a very
• 47:38
  long time to you know, be in any kind of widespread use. We've
• 47:42
  got the first use, the first patient. We'll get a neural link chip.
• 47:45
  This is a quadriplegic, and we'll enable them to control their computer and
• 47:49
  their phone. And then my uncle was in a motorcycle accident and was about
• 47:53
  and he was having seizures, were about to die, couldn't even walk.
• 47:58
  He got what it's not one of your brain ships brain. Yeah, and
• 48:01
  actually he can walk and talk and is happy now, so that's not exactly
• 48:06
  so, I mean, it's it's the regulatory stuff on this is is very
• 48:08
  intense. So that but for the first one we'll have you know, you
• 48:13
  think of a sort of like like a telepathy. You can sort of control
• 48:15
  your computer informed just by thinking. So it's like kind of like telepathy.
• 48:20
  And then the one after that will be I know, we're trying to think
• 48:22
  of a name for it. But you can think about like blind site.
• 48:23
  Even if somebody has lost both eyes or lost the optic is completely blind,
• 48:30
  we can actually give them some amount of sight. I think high resolution site
• 48:35
  Doughty look forward from saw trek. You could actually see in multiple wavelengths.
• 48:38
  You can see ultra violet and infrared and even see radar if you want.
• 48:42
  And by the way, Elon's not lying, even in MIT papers, they've
• 48:45
  actually done the test. They actually that's what they say though, is I
• 48:47
  know, the problem is just narrowing the side to our bandwidth. They say,
• 48:51
  these people see everything right like a full spectrum. Yeah, you can,
• 48:53
  you can have it's a point in which you have a camera, you
• 48:57
  can have a camera that can receive photons of many wavelengths, so you could
• 49:01
  see you know, even in Darcas night and you could see ultra violet.
• 49:06
  You can see him for red like so you can even see radar if you
• 49:07
  want, so, you know, it would be a kind of thing that
• 49:10
  would It's probably Trademark's thing, but I think Blindside is a cool name for
• 49:14
  it. For it it's like, yeah, we get one question from Mark
• 49:16
  diys because this is a bitch interview ever. Mark Dives is a great journalist.
• 49:20
  He stood up for me the last five years when nobody else would Mark.
• 49:22
  Quick question from Mark place the comments really just to reinforce to everybody listening,
• 49:28
  all the journalists. And thank you by the way, Elon for on
• 49:30
  Mute for unbanning Alex, for everything that you're doing for the Platform for humanity.
• 49:35
  But I just want to reinforce and I'm glad you're retweeted this Alex.
• 49:37
  The reason why Twitter cited Alex being banned, contrary to popular beliefs, is
• 49:44
  not because he entertained some conspiracy theorist about Sandy Hook. As crazy as they
• 49:47
  work, and Elon just confirmed that the Twitter logs said this. He confronted
• 49:52
  Oliver Darcia's public figure on public property when he was working in the capacity of
• 49:58
  a journalist, and they said, but Mark, that's whole news. Let's
• 50:00
  move on from Alex Jones. Well, talking to what's your question for Elon?
• 50:05
  I didn't see the Twitter file in the Twitter files, can you release
• 50:08
  data about the choices that were made regarding the trending list? Because the trending
• 50:14
  list drives the news cycle, as you know, and they can create a
• 50:17
  self fulfilling prophecy by manually inserting topics in there getting people to talk about them.
• 50:22
  It becomes a topic, it becomes news. Did I miss that in
• 50:25
  the Twitter files or was that just not released? I would like more data
• 50:30
  on the manipulation of the trending list to manipulate the news cycles over the previous
• 50:36
  ownership. Yeah, well there was a significant manipulation of the trending list and
• 50:42
  yeah worldwide. I mean you could just I'd say, like, as a
• 50:45
  general rule of thumb, whatever a conspiracy theory you've got about Twitter is probably
• 50:50
  true, even more true than you think it is. Are you taking precaution
• 50:53
  not? I think I think the path to having a sort of a clean
• 50:59
  system is transparency. So that's why, like for community notes, the software
• 51:04
  for community notes is completely open source. You can see every line. The
• 51:07
  data for community notes is completely open source. You can see the data,
• 51:09
  you can see the logic, and you can independently create the community note conclusion,
• 51:15
  so you can tell right away if there's a manipulation, and it's always
• 51:19
  gonna be some with these things. It is not black or white. It's
• 51:21
  there's always going to be some degree of manipulation. But you just want to
• 51:24
  try to create put as much sunlight on it, as I say, sunlight's
• 51:28
  the best disinfectant. You want to have it be as clear and transparent as
• 51:31
  possible. This will minimize the amount of manipulation. So the more visible something
• 51:37
  is that the less it is in the shadows, the cleaner it will will
• 51:40
  get. Will not be perfect, but it will be much better than anything
• 51:44
  something that is hidden. One of the point of help that you're made precautionous
• 51:46
  for the possibility of X being banned from the app Store using it as a
• 51:52
  save to homescreen type of feature, as you know that's probably a very real
• 51:55
  possibility over the next twelve months. But one other thing here and again appreciated.
• 51:59
  Is that I would also just politely ask that the inter wars account in
• 52:02
  Owen Shore and Rob do their employees of Alex be unsuspended. They were pumped
• 52:07
  in with that initial suspension, and maybe I think it's time. I do
• 52:09
  believe CNN Violet the terms of service of harassment. They posted a video a
• 52:14
  while ago, years ago, showing them harassing a poor old lady because she
• 52:16
  shared something on Facebook that originated from Russia and you could see on the house
• 52:21
  the Shifter front yard. You can actually see her address on the number plate
• 52:24
  right on her house. And that's still on Twitter side. But Mark,
• 52:28
  let's not be exactly. Yeah, I've just kind of wanted troll troll and
• 52:30
  give a taste of their all. But anyway, I do want to be
• 52:32
  clear that you know doxing, which includes revealing the pseudonym of someone, So
• 52:37
  I want to be clear. Sometimes some publications have claimed that revealing the pseudonym
• 52:43
  of someone is not doxing, when it obviously is will result in at least
• 52:45
  a temporary suspension. Will be very reluctant to give per minute suspensions, but
• 52:51
  we will give temporary suspensions for any kind of doxing activity or anything that endangers
• 52:55
  the health of another point in a meaningful ways. It does not matter who
• 53:02
  you are, it does matter how big you are, I should say.
• 53:06
  This is one we do have a U N exclusion rule, which is that
• 53:08
  if it's a major, if it's ahead of state recognized by the UN,
• 53:13
  even if they say things that are you know, kind of crazy, which
• 53:15
  they do, then we don't suspend ahead of state just for the same reason
• 53:21
  allow sets of state to say crazy things that the UN Assembly that we need
• 53:24
  to hear what everybody I was just to ask, I guess you don't like
• 53:30
  Nicky Haley's idea of basically doxing everyone. No, that's crazy. The thing
• 53:36
  is that a lot of people obviously would face repercussions from their employer, or
• 53:39
  from their government or or from some organization if their identity is revealed, and
• 53:44
  that would that therefore inhibits the public dialogue. So people, you know,
• 53:47
  they've been professors who have been suspended for just for favoriting things on old Twitter.
• 53:53
  They literally got suspended for just having a favorite button. This is so
• 53:58
  you can say, like, look, if a tenure professor can get suspended
• 54:01
  from their job for just liking a post on the x platform, then obviously
• 54:07
  there is some need for you know, people to be able to post things
• 54:12
  anonymously, otherwise they simply will not be able to speak their mind. Absolutely,
• 54:15
  they're losing their job. It's anti whistleblower. But I always want to
• 54:19
  say this because I think the comunity does is the best thing ever. Even
• 54:22
  if somebody says something really horrible, I think there's could be some buffer zone
• 54:24
  to at least let them respond as much as they can before they get banned,
• 54:29
  because what I see everywhere is the pr firms will say somebody has said
• 54:32
  something they didn't say, they create this woke mob response, then the person's
• 54:37
  taken down and then most of the time it's not even true what was claimed.
• 54:40
  General, yeah, we're very much going to are on the side of
• 54:44
  a freedom of speech, which is really just saying, you know, in
• 54:46
  America, we're gonna we're going to uphold the Constitution of the United States,
• 54:51
  and that's that's what we're going to do and uphold the most of the country,
• 54:52
  and if the laws are changed, will then change our behavior to match
• 54:57
  the laws, and we'll do so. And we also can only match the
• 55:00
  lows to other countries. Because some nice people will say, well, why
• 55:02
  don't you do demand freedom of speech in you know, some other country in
• 55:06
  the world. I'm like, well, we don't make the laws in that
• 55:08
  country, and we don't adhere to the laws of the country. They will
• 55:10
  simply cut us off. And so you know, we can't do more than
• 55:14
  that. So that's we're basically what about the other factors you know before going
• 55:17
  to general, Friend, you've got obviously laws, but you got the revenue
• 55:21
  still running a business, and you've got external pressure. How do you balance
• 55:24
  all these when fighting for free speech. Well, we're gonna obviously favor of
• 55:29
  free speech. I believe my action has been very clear in this regard that
• 55:31
  if it is a choice between money and freedom, we will pick freedom.
• 55:36
  General. Yeah, say thank you, Mario, and thanks for hosting this
• 55:38
  thing. You're doing a wonderful job. This is really a question for Alex
• 55:43
  and Elon in a statement, And I wish Andrew and Vivek were still on.
• 55:46
  You know, we've talked about these different sort of array of forces between
• 55:51
  you know, the globalists and the humanists or whatever the right descriptors are.
• 55:54
  You know, what I would really like to see and I would love to
• 55:58
  hear Vivek's take on it, because he's such I think he's such a wonderful
• 56:00
  debater. I'd like to know if there's possibility to set up a intellectual debate
• 56:07
  between you know, the Alex Jones, Elon Musk, Andrew Tate de Vek,
• 56:10
  probably throw Tucker in there. Maybe there's Joe Rogan against a debate,
• 56:15
  an intellectual debate against the you know, the Klaus Schwabs, the Bill Gates
• 56:19
  is of the world, and then there's other things. But see I well,
• 56:22
  but see I but see I disagree. I mean, this is how
• 56:25
  we fight today, right we are fighting in an information domain. We Andrew,
• 56:30
  you know, I wish he was still long because I love to hear
• 56:31
  his take because you know, Andrew starts to imply, and there's a lot
• 56:34
  of people that imply this. You know, we're going to move to something
• 56:36
  that we don't want to place, that we don't want to be because of
• 56:38
  this. Frankly, what I see is a globalist takeover. And I'm all
• 56:42
  with you, Alex, and you and I have talked about this a lot.
• 56:45
  But what I would really like to see is an intellectual debate and a
• 56:50
  challenge you know, I mean otherwise, because twenty twenty four is going to
• 56:53
  be from the United States, is going to be a historically consequential moment in
• 56:58
  history. And I would prefer that we extraordinary session that I've been listening to
• 57:01
  for the last couple of hours here, and I would really like to hear
• 57:05
  at least Alex said, because you're on and I think, Elon, what
• 57:07
  do you think about setting up some type of intellectual debate or at least array
• 57:12
  that you know, on excess respect on X on X or or however,
• 57:17
  Yeah, I would love to see them come on X to do this.
• 57:21
  Would you, Alex? What would you be open you and eland would you
• 57:22
  be open for such a debate? Well, well, let me just throw
• 57:24
  this thing shop with the bidder and then they'll all take over. It should
• 57:28
  be on X. But they had the last Republican debate and it had like
• 57:30
  five million viewers. This is going to have fifty million viewers. We keep
• 57:34
  acting like dinosaur media even still matters. It should only be held on X
• 57:38
  and I would love to see it this format or added video component to it.
• 57:44
  Yeah, yes, we would challenge challenge their intellectual idea. I'm sorry,
• 57:47
  that's my point. That's my point. We have to challenge their intellectual
• 57:51
  arguments and in general, what's I'm just going to say that from a future
• 57:57
  standpoint, we are working on adding videos to spaces, so it'll just be
• 58:01
  a simple thing where you can turn video on or off and and then go
• 58:05
  over speaking at the video will switch to them, just like if it's a
• 58:07
  I guess like a group call or something like that. So that I think
• 58:10
  will help, you know, because it's helpful to see people's body language as
• 58:15
  I speak. It's it conveys more information if you can see they're facing their
• 58:19
  their body language if they were when when do you think when do you think
• 58:21
  that will When do you think that will were? I think we were hopeful
• 58:23
  of We hope to release that functionality before the end of the year, but
• 58:27
  certainly by early next year. Huge. Well, that's a big technology.
• 58:30
  That's a big one. That's big. Yeah, I've got to see but
• 58:32
  that's very big. So that's pretty frankly, but yeah, it'll be cool.
• 58:37
  I think. Yeah, it's just fascinating how fast spaces. I remember
• 58:39
  being on spaces since the early days three elon to see how five's gone and
• 58:43
  to be able to have discussions like this. I don't think the audience understands
• 58:46
  there's never been any platform where voices from all sized voices that were all speaking.
• 58:52
  Oh, let's clear. The more renovations, I'll jump off, But
• 58:58
  I just want to say the rather embarrassing Rhonda Santa's situation. I mean,
• 59:04
  I really have to credit the you know, the X team for making masking
• 59:07
  improvements to spaces because it basically did not work at scale until a massive amount
• 59:14
  of work was put into it. It obviously broke rather embarrassingly in the Rhonda
• 59:16
  Santas situation, and we didn't realize how fragile and weak it was. And
• 59:22
  since then we've put massive work into making spaces actually robust and be able to
• 59:25
  have you know, you can have at this point millions of people listening simultaneously.
• 59:30
  It's very difficult to do. I've never seen an interface that works just
• 59:34
  good. I mean, you've got a whole how you're doing this. General
• 59:37
  Flynn did bring up the best question in the last two hours, so I'm
• 59:39
  sorry I was like getting so excited and interrupted the General. He's absolutely right,
• 59:43
  we should be challenging them to debate us. I agree with you,
• 59:46
  General, that's really a key point. I'm saying they're too cowardly to do
• 59:50
  that. How do we objact your commutey Jack? But you go ahead just
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  quickly before you continue, Alex Elon, I don't know if you remember.
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  I think the first space he came on and we hit one hundred pay live
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  listeners and it broke, so it would it show? Yeah, I don't
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  know underdoing it nine thousand right right now? One hundred nine thousands. Yeah,
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  I don't know how you do it, but I know that it's that
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  we have to do it. We don't have a I think we are in
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  a place where we don't have a choice right now. I think the intellectual
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  arguments on their side, I just think that they're gonna fall flat and they
• 1:00:15
  don't really have a good argument. And Elon mentioned it early on about you
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  know how much energy it takes to lie. I mean, it just does
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  to lie to so many damn people. But we have to pick this fight.
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  It has to be intellectual. Our intellectual arguments are much much stronger,
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  and I just think we have to have the right type people, and you
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  know those people have been on here today and invite these people. I mean,
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  if they're is, they don't want to come. We call them out
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  as cowards. I mean, wait a minute before and everybody wait a bit,
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  General Flint, hold on, man, I'm gonna call you out right
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  now. Eating bugs, drag clean, story time, open borders, World
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  War three. You're saying that's not how you're saying. Their plan isn't wonderful.
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  Hey, for a guy that has had to eat bugs, Alex,
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  they don't taste very good. So yeah, I'll go one step further.
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  I think we should see you two v two mm a duel between now Alex
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  versus Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates. I love that'd be the real I think
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  Elon should call him out. It'll be bigger than the top UFC fight.
• 1:01:10
  If those cowards will show up, my god, it'll be their waterlow heyln.
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  Do you know how the media works. You want to give, you
• 1:01:15
  want to call them out, and then you'll get that snippet all over the
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  media. Well, I'm certainly happy to have a debate with Koshwab or others.
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  You know, I think you guys may have been following what's going on
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  in Davas more than I have, or and certainly more than the vast majority
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  of people have. I think most people don't even know that there is a
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  conference in Davas or the World Economic Forum. And I've only seen snippets,
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  but you know, some of the snippets are concerning, and you know,
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  I don't. I don't think we should have a sort of an unelected quasi
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  governmental organization deciding our future. That's I mean, who said, who made
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  them the boss? I don't. I mean, do people even know that
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  they're doing this? Like I'm not okay with some organization. You know that
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  I don't vote for controlling you know, my destiny or that of other people,
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  So then that I don't know if they're necessarily fully controlling. There certainly
• 1:02:05
  are influencing things, and you know, and it's you know, I just
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  don't. I think an unelected world government is not a good idea. Well,
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  but on that point, ceg I'll go to you right after for a
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  question, then to them. But on that point, how much control you
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  kind of change it, whether they control or influence, because on one side
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  you've got people that say, you know, they control the world. Every
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  decision is kind of influenced or you know, the decision behind the world.
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  On the other side, there's the people making the argument that they're trying to
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  do the right thing and things have been taken out of proportions full of conspiracy.
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  Where do you think on that spectrum in your opinion, we stand well.
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  I mean, the original premise of the World Economic Forum was to have
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  some kind of forum where there would be interaction between government leaders and commercial leaders
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  sort of has the corporations and governments and that that there is some forum for
• 1:02:52
  them to talk, and that like, that original premise I think is not
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  a bad one because right now you've got the u N but that's just government
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  to government, and you've got you know, a bunch of sort of individual
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  situations where commercial leaders will meet with government people one on one. But there's
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  the you know, there's sort of the good part of the World Economic Forum
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  is like it is like it's probably good to have some dialogue between commercial leaders
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  and government leaders internationally. That's the that's I think the positive side, and
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  that's originally how I heard about the World Economic Forum, and I was invited
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  to speak there many years ago, which I was just too busy working and
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  I was like, well, I can't really go spend five days in Switzerland.
• 1:03:30
  I've I've worked to do in America so then, and they really wanted
• 1:03:35
  me to come talk there but also pay them twenty thousand dollars, and I'm
• 1:03:37
  like, that doesn't make sense, so I declined the invitation. And it
• 1:03:44
  does seem that since inception, perhaps this organization has gained a bit too much
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  power and a bit too much influence, and I think it probably, you
• 1:03:52
  know, it should have less power and influence in my opinion. Gonta A
• 1:03:55
  quick question tweeted about the imprisonment of the American Chilean Gonzala Lira in in heark
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  gives Ukraine yesterday. I'm curious if that imprisonment of an American for speaking his
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  mind on YouTube and x has caused you to consider further support for Ukraine,
• 1:04:15
  albeit through starlink or other means. And also unrelated to that, can you
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  provide any updates about starlink for Gaza. Yeah, I mean, I generally
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  think. Look, I understand that if somebody, if an American citizen is
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  in another country and valleys, that could that country's laws or what those countries
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  laws, even if their actions would not violate the laws in the United States,
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  that person would then be put in prison. But in the case of
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  Ukraine, the United States are providing a vast amount of aid to Ukraine,
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  and the United States government has an obligation to protected citizens. And so I
• 1:04:45
  think even if one disagrees with what you know that I guess YouTube were a
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  journalists depending on your perspective what they posted. I feel uncomfortable sending massive aid
• 1:04:57
  to Ukraine. If they're putting Americans in jail for doing videos on YouTube,
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  that's not cool. And it's like that, and it could say like,
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  Okay, well yeah, but Ukraine has the sovereignty in their country. It's
• 1:05:09
  like, yeah, but they don't have a right to our money as well.
• 1:05:12
  So it's like they don't have a right to our money and support and
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  to imprison and mistreat American citizens. Well, well that's right. Look a
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  dog in the fight Russia Ukraine. It's you know, an old, ancient
• 1:05:23
  fight when the two cutriess are gone for a thousand years. It's a Slavic
• 1:05:27
  civil war. But Ukraine is arresting the Orthodox Church Ukraine. Even the mayor
• 1:05:32
  of Kieva said Zelenski's becoming a dictator. So all I'm saying is this black
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  hole we're feeding hundreds of billions into we should at least be able to debate
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  it. And if an American journalist is critical, he doesn't deserve to be
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  put in a gulag. That's very dangerous. I agree, Elon. As
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  for starlink for Gaza, yeah, understalling for Kaza front, I mean obviously
• 1:05:56
  that place is currently a warfront. Next level, so in order force be
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  used and Gaza terminals have to be brought in and they have to be you
• 1:06:04
  know, used in a way that whereas where it is, there's a high
• 1:06:09
  degree of certainty that they are not being used for any violence. So now
• 1:06:13
  there are only really two ways to get into Gaza. One is through Egypt
• 1:06:15
  and the other is through Israel. So if there was, like you know,
• 1:06:19
  a situation where I say, Egypt was willing to let stalling terminal in
• 1:06:24
  and that we could have very high certainty that the terminal would not be used
• 1:06:28
  for any kind of military purposes or for violence, then then we would support
• 1:06:31
  that Egypt does not step forward to the best of my knowledgy in that regard,
• 1:06:35
  And obviously we're not going to be played for fools here where you know,
• 1:06:39
  if an organization would perhaps pretend to be using stalling for peaceful purposes but
• 1:06:44
  then actually use it for violent purposes. We will basically ask for a webcom
• 1:06:47
  on that thing twenty four to seven, and if there's the slightest concern about
• 1:06:51
  it being used for violent I means it would be turned off. So that
• 1:06:56
  that's the situation there. I mean, it is a very difficult situation.
• 1:06:59
  And I you know, I am sympathetic to Israel, but I also you
• 1:07:02
  know, I'm sympathetic to civilians in Gaza, so I'm pro human, to
• 1:07:06
  be clear, and you know, so it's just like, here's the deal.
• 1:07:13
  I'm not pro Russian, I'm not pro Ukraine. I hate the war
• 1:07:15
  on pro all of my greed. But when you learned that they were using
• 1:07:19
  starlink to rig up robot boats to blow up battleships, when Russia said they
• 1:07:24
  were going to launch nukes that they did, you didn't sign up Starlink to
• 1:07:27
  be a weapon system. It's very fair to say it's my company's well,
• 1:07:30
  yes, it's to be clear, the Crimea and the sort of stee around
• 1:07:33
  Crimea was an officially sanctioned area by the United States, and we were not
• 1:07:40
  actually so the Starlink cells were not turned on in Crimea, in the area
• 1:07:45
  around Crimea because of US law I would prevent us from doing so. There
• 1:07:49
  was a Ukrainian attempted attack on the fleet in Sebastopol, and I got an
• 1:07:55
  emergency call saying like, hey, we need to turn on the cells around
• 1:08:00
  Sebastball and I'm like, well, that's currently a U S sanction zone.
• 1:08:03
  We would need permission from the US government to do so, and in fact
• 1:08:06
  I don't, And it would also mean that we are directly complicit and in
• 1:08:11
  an attack on the Russian fleet directly this is it wouldn't be there's no plausible
• 1:08:15
  deniability here. Now if even though you know, I'm not the biggest fan
• 1:08:18
  of President Biden, but if freend Colton said, you know, as the
• 1:08:23
  you know, you know, as the president, I says, I'm asking
• 1:08:26
  you to turn the sales on, I would have done so. But we
• 1:08:29
  did not get any such call. We were only called by the Ukrainian government.
• 1:08:32
  And the Ukrainian government is not my boss, so you know, it's
• 1:08:36
  like and so that we can't like, it would actually be illegal for me
• 1:08:41
  to turn on Starling cells at the request of a foreign government. In a
• 1:08:45
  territory sanction by the United States, which they were US law. So it's
• 1:08:49
  like up, yeah, it just but the medium misrepresented it as I turned
• 1:08:57
  off the sales. This is not true. They were never on, and
• 1:09:00
  if I turned them on, I would have broken US lull and I would
• 1:09:02
  need an exemption from this date popment and express written permission from the President in
• 1:09:09
  order to do And that's why I blink in it. Yeah. So,
• 1:09:12
  and I do think we need to be courcious about escalating that war, and
• 1:09:15
  we need to find a path to piece and not have not to sacrifice the
• 1:09:19
  flower of Ukraine and Russian youth ultimately for nothing, for a few miles of
• 1:09:25
  territory, which is currently what's been going on for the past year with this
• 1:09:30
  question. Let me go to Cgen. I'll go to you. Let me
• 1:09:30
  go to C Gen. I'll go to your right fist. DJ. Hey,
• 1:09:33
  Mario, thank you, thank you, Yeah, thank you so much
• 1:09:36
  Mario for hosting this son. My name is C. J. Pearson.
• 1:09:40
  I'm a twenty one year old conservative activist and I currently work at Brigger University
• 1:09:45
  and General Flynn made a really important point a little bit earlier about how Twitter
• 1:09:49
  has made it super accessible for conversations like this to happen debates and discourse,
• 1:09:55
  and Alex I think also made the point earlier that if you look at the
• 1:09:58
  debates and the view viewership that they've had, you don't really see them reaching
• 1:10:01
  all that many young people via traditional cable channels. And one idea that conservative
• 1:10:06
  activists like myself have had different gen Z conservative lussers have had is having a
• 1:10:12
  gen Z moderated debate or count hole what's the Republican primary candidate and exclusively streaming
• 1:10:17
  it here on X. What would you think about something like that? Do
• 1:10:20
  you think that would be a way for America's ex generation to hear different ideas
• 1:10:26
  that they obviously aren't hearing currently on their college campuses. Well, actually I
• 1:10:29
  don't believe in but I think that not doing it on the X platform,
• 1:10:32
  it doesn't It makes no sense. Things should be done on the X platform
• 1:10:36
  because it is the most widely accessible platform. It is where you will see
• 1:10:41
  it has by far the most reach. The X platform has by far the
• 1:10:44
  most reach of anything you know that you know, although like I'm this conversation,
• 1:10:48
  I don't know, it might top out at maybe a few hundred thousand
• 1:10:51
  people live, but it will probably go viral afterwards, and I don't know,
• 1:10:55
  probably have ten ten million people listen to it or twenty on them.
• 1:11:00
  You to any space, we had eighteen million. This is a memory.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah, So I mean the way to think of this platform is that they're
• 1:11:04
  on an average day, there are over two hundred and fifty million people on
• 1:11:09
  the platform as an average days. Some days it's more like three or four
• 1:11:13
  hundred million, and a really crazy day could be like five hundred million.
• 1:11:16
  So I mean, we're, you know, just at times, we're starting
• 1:11:19
  to approach ten percent of all humans who are online are on the platform.
• 1:11:24
  Well, elon, So it's a great big number, and we don't even
• 1:11:27
  and we're obviously not active in trying. It's not we're you know, X
• 1:11:30
  doesn't work in trying. It actually works on international phones but not domestic bones.
• 1:11:33
  And I believe there's also does not work in Russia. So so that's
• 1:11:38
  I think we do exceed ten percent of all humans at times on this platform.
• 1:11:43
  So it seems crazy to ignore this platform because then you're just going to
• 1:11:45
  reach far fewer people. Well, well, elon. Bottom line here,
• 1:11:48
  the proof is in the pudding, you judge tread about the fruits. You
• 1:11:51
  are the only massive platform that's opening free. People are hungry, it's exploding.
• 1:11:56
  This is the example for the world, and we're trying to stop war.
• 1:11:59
  We're trying to in a pro in future. This is what this is
• 1:12:00
  really all about. But very honored, Alex. Before before you're honored,
• 1:12:03
  they just give you an idea of how spaces works. And just in the
• 1:12:06
  last couple of hours that was meant to be an interview with you. Then
• 1:12:10
  Elon jumped on, Andrew Tay his brother. We just had Vivek jump on,
• 1:12:13
  and Matt Gates just jumped on as well. Love and it's one thing,
• 1:12:16
  one thing with space if you just never know who could come up.
• 1:12:18
  Matt, how are you? I'm great. I'm enjoying here in Elon's perspective
• 1:12:21
  on adding value to all of our followerships and allowing us to engage your thoughts.
• 1:12:27
  On Alex Jones being back on the platform, I think it's great.
• 1:12:29
  Alex has been someone who's provoked a lot of critical thinking from policymakers and broad
• 1:12:34
  audiences. You know, of course, there are things that I'm gonna say
• 1:12:39
  that would offend people, things that Alex would say they would offend people,
• 1:12:42
  but I think they'll just have to be offended. I think it's I think
• 1:12:44
  it enriches the discussion to have Alex back. Yeah, I've got a few
• 1:12:46
  questions. My first question is we've seen extremely positive steps in terms of the
• 1:12:50
  return of Alex Jones. We've seen the return of Andrew Tater, We've seen
• 1:12:54
  the return of President Trump, and so EX is definitely moving towards the free
• 1:12:59
  space platform. Of question is when will we be able to get to a
• 1:13:01
  situation where it's completely free speech and it's just based solely on following the legal
• 1:13:05
  laws of the country. I know it's a process and it takes tamp How
• 1:13:10
  far do we envision this happening? How far in the future? Well,
• 1:13:12
  well, I mean I think we've made traumatic progress over the past year.
• 1:13:15
  You know, it's only been a year since the position closed, and it's
• 1:13:19
  been quite difficult to We had to not just seep the wheels on the bus,
• 1:13:23
  but upgrade the bus whilst going down the highway. Wells Thomas Jeffersons said,
• 1:13:29
  we will not be transported a state of liberty on a feather bed.
• 1:13:32
  Is he on back? And now I think he's now you're back, Okay,
• 1:13:36
  Sorry, Yeah, I'm just saying it's been quite difficult to keep the
• 1:13:39
  wheels in the bus and upgrade the bus while going barreling down the highway one
• 1:13:42
  hundred miles an hour, So that's kind of worth But I think we've made
• 1:13:45
  tremendous progress in the year and we'll I think that progress, I think is
• 1:13:49
  accelerating. So and you know, if we keep cleaning up the code base
• 1:13:54
  and simplifying it, providing more transparency and providing more clarity and obviously improving freedom
• 1:13:59
  of speed each and getting closer and closer to the law. And I just
• 1:14:01
  want to say, with respect to the law, I am a strong believer
• 1:14:05
  in the law. So you'll you'll sometimes read an article with where it sounds
• 1:14:09
  like I'm some crazy maverick who just likes breaking the law. I am subject
• 1:14:13
  to so many laws, might be hundreds of thousands of laws, maybe millions.
• 1:14:16
  Where do you think about Tesla and SpaceX and Starling and all the countries
• 1:14:20
  that they're in, and all the regulatory regimes and all the rules and regulations
• 1:14:24
  that we have to adhere to. And the amazing thing is how closely we
• 1:14:28
  actually adhere to the law and follow the law and do what countries belief is
• 1:14:33
  right and legal. And once in a while, in a fairy rare case,
• 1:14:38
  I might disagree with the law of regulation, but we will not willfully
• 1:14:42
  violate. So you know, so what I'm trying to say is I'm extremely
• 1:14:45
  law abiding. I totally agree with you. I don't know how you have
• 1:14:47
  the energy. People talk about Trump's energy. Your energy is insane. Where
• 1:14:51
  does your energy come from? Going back to being a child, did you
• 1:14:55
  kind of because we know the universe is a loop or a figure eight?
• 1:14:58
  He does it just go in one direct? Did you have inklings of the
• 1:15:00
  big things you were going to do or when you were a child, did
• 1:15:03
  you have any like foresight about what you were going to be doing? No,
• 1:15:08
  not really. I just you know, I liked technology and like taking
• 1:15:11
  devices apart and fixing them and building things. And I loved science fiction fantasy,
• 1:15:16
  you know, like Lord of the Rings and Pineland and Asimov and Star
• 1:15:20
  Trek and Star Wars and that's and I didn't know what I was gonna do.
• 1:15:25
  I like to like programming computers. I found programming computers to be intrinsically
• 1:15:29
  interesting, not because that'sought i'd have a job, actually didn't got out of
• 1:15:31
  a job. I know, you could even make money write computer software,
• 1:15:34
  but I was just interested in it in and out itself. So I programmed
• 1:15:39
  computers all night by you know, by myself, which is not you know,
• 1:15:41
  it doesn't appeal to everyone. That's I think, actually quite an unusual
• 1:15:45
  thing to want to sort of type strange symbols and joke computer all night essentially
• 1:15:47
  by yourself is a well, not what most people want to do. But
• 1:15:51
  I did like doing that, and they're also like, you know, hanging
• 1:15:54
  out with friends and stuff. But no, I didn't think this, any
• 1:15:56
  of this would happen. I'm just I would say, I have a philosophy
• 1:15:59
  of career, which is, you know, try and understand more about the
• 1:16:01
  nature of the universe and I'll place in it. And that's why I studied
• 1:16:05
  physics, not for career reasons, just trying to try to understand how the
• 1:16:10
  universe actually works and what has good predictive value. And physics has got very
• 1:16:14
  good predictive value, so that's why I study it. Then give us your
• 1:16:17
  predictive value gut level elon mush the I mean, this is like beyond any
• 1:16:23
  Hollywood movie where we're right now, does humanity survive? Gut level? You've
• 1:16:27
  got all these great children. That means you bet on humanity. Do we
• 1:16:30
  make to the next level? And what is the next level? You don't
• 1:16:32
  need them, sorry, you need one needs to think of the future as
• 1:16:39
  probabilities and not certainties. So then any given action that we do can affect
• 1:16:45
  the probability of a good outcome. There are no certainties that I can determine,
• 1:16:49
  or at least I don't have a crystal bowl. We're changing the future.
• 1:16:54
  Yes, I think by our actions, we can individually take actions that
• 1:16:59
  improve the problem lady of a good future and the furtherance of civilization. And
• 1:17:02
  I think we should, you know, take those actions. And you know
• 1:17:05
  some of that, we've got to have kids or they won't be a next
• 1:17:08
  generation. And we've got we've got to educate them well. And I think,
• 1:17:12
  you know, like some no civilization. Let me ask this questioning long
• 1:17:15
  because you're obviously a genius. We're here talking right now. Don't predict the
• 1:17:19
  future. Be the future. Yes, the best way to the best way
• 1:17:24
  to I think I'm going to came up with us. But the best way
• 1:17:27
  to predict the future is to create it. Yes, and I do want
• 1:17:30
  to. Jason Glacantis is here and decided. Let me go to Jason quickly,
• 1:17:33
  sim and I'll go to you in a bit. Jason, A quick
• 1:17:36
  question to you. First, would you have Alex Jones on the All In
• 1:17:40
  podcast? Sorry to put you on the spot. Well, I have him
• 1:17:43
  here now, so would it be okay if I asked him? Yeah?
• 1:17:45
  But far more today? And please? Well, Alex, my first question
• 1:17:50
  for you is, I'm curious if you'd be willing to answer three questions about
• 1:17:55
  the Sandy Hook parents. Oh? Great, yeah, sure, go ahead.
• 1:17:58
  Well, I mean you now have your freedo with speech and you're here.
• 1:18:00
  So I think a lot of people are wondering what theory or evidence led
• 1:18:05
  you to believe that was a fake, staged situation. He's already answered these
• 1:18:12
  questions. Yeah, every time he answered this, like minutes ago. Let
• 1:18:17
  me ask for this, let me ask this. Everything I say is was
• 1:18:20
  the presentative? You'll say, I'm saying it again. I believe it happened,
• 1:18:24
  and I'm sorry and I apologize and I'm done. Okay, And so
• 1:18:28
  what did you get wrong about that situation? Because you're you've investigated these situations
• 1:18:33
  many times, right, that's kind of what you do as an honest or
• 1:18:36
  an entertainer, And so what did you get wrong there? And then work
• 1:18:42
  harm to answer your question? I respect to Elon. I answered this question.
• 1:18:45
  I said, probably the last time I'll ever talk about it. I'm
• 1:18:47
  not going to live a groundhog day. I believe Fanny Hook happened. I've
• 1:18:50
  been through hell over it. I was not the guy that first questioned it.
• 1:18:54
  PR Firms blew it up and made it mindnity. It's not my ownity.
• 1:18:57
  Mynity is humans. Future tea, I'm human. What Elon Musk is
• 1:19:00
  doing, I'm never talking about it again. That's your answer. God,
• 1:19:03
  Okay, So what would you do differently in the future, you know,
• 1:19:09
  when going after some conspiracy theory like this, And do you believe that when
• 1:19:13
  you go after these conspiracy theories they can have real world harm? I you
• 1:19:16
  know your fans knocking on the door parents, But yeah, I get it.
• 1:19:19
  If I will comment on what people are saying on the internet when something
• 1:19:24
  has fifty million views, I will be blamed for their questioning. So I'm
• 1:19:28
  very careful about that. Now. I didn't realize I had thirty million viewers
• 1:19:30
  a day back to because I wasn't looking at the analytics. But yeah,
• 1:19:33
  I've learned a lot of lessons at the media and PR firms will misrepresent what
• 1:19:39
  I'm saying to that attacks themselves to me and play victims. So I'm not
• 1:19:43
  talking about it. I won't even say the name of it. Will says
• 1:19:45
  I'm at X right now and it's blowing up and taking the planet back of
• 1:19:49
  humanity at real Alex Jones. People should follow it there and hear what I
• 1:19:54
  actually say, And I don't talk about the school shooting. That is not
• 1:19:58
  who I am. That's what PR. Yeah, Jason, I should say
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  that the same issue was the first thing I raised with Alex. He did
• 1:20:04
  answer it at length at the beginning of this Space is the conversation, So
• 1:20:09
  I think you may not have heard the Yeah, I didn't hear the start
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  of it. I was alerted to this at the towards the end right candidly
• 1:20:17
  whether I agree or disagree with his answer, But it was the very first
• 1:20:20
  thing that I asked when I got on this spaces conversation, just as it
• 1:20:26
  was the first thing that you asked. I think it's the it's you know,
• 1:20:28
  for people that you know care about whether there's sort of empathy and whether
• 1:20:32
  somebody has been cruel or me or something, that's like the first thing they
• 1:20:35
  can ask about. And so that was the first thing I asked about,
• 1:20:39
  and you know it was answered. Why somebody can agree with that ask or
• 1:20:43
  not. No matter how many I answer it, it's never good enough because
• 1:20:45
  I'm that guy. I'm not what they shard. I covered the internet questioning
• 1:20:49
  it. I've already said I'm sorry over five hundred times, three or four
• 1:20:54
  times today, but it's always the same question. I'm not that guy.
• 1:20:57
  I wanted to share the name of it. Yeah, I think people actually
• 1:21:00
  will eventually get tired of your answering the question. And or someone who sawed
• 1:21:03
  out who's listened to the holes spaces, they probably are actually tired of you're
• 1:21:06
  answering the questions to be frank, I certainly patricky is Patrick I am.
• 1:21:11
  Can you hear me? We can, Yes, fantastic. I don't have
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  any questions. I just have a comment to make the biggest thing is and
• 1:21:16
  I saw I heard Jason's question, and I know Alex answered it at the
• 1:21:20
  beginning with Elon opening it up with him, I had alex On. I
• 1:21:24
  don't know, Alex it was a couple months ago or something. You were
• 1:21:26
  on. We had a great exchange together. The best part about this is
• 1:21:29
  the following. I applaud Elon for you know, the fact that you know,
• 1:21:33
  just a few months ago he said he's not going to have He's not
• 1:21:36
  going to have alex On. And then after seeing what the audience wants,
• 1:21:41
  the survey comes to seventy thirty and keeping that commitment for allowing alex to be
• 1:21:45
  on. The people who have different strong opinions, who are humanists, who
• 1:21:49
  want to defend freedom of speech, defend the same rights that we have,
• 1:21:54
  We're finding each other. And I just want everybody remember this go back to
• 1:21:57
  September of twenty twenty, when Professor Galloway said Elon is full of it.
• 1:22:01
  He's not going to buy it. He's pointed with all of you in and
• 1:22:03
  Elon bought the company. Whatever the price of the company was. Some said
• 1:22:08
  it was fifty percent more of the twenty billion out of company, thirty billion
• 1:22:10
  out of company, pay the entire number. He didn't have to do this
• 1:22:14
  if that purchase wasn't to be made. Think about where America would be today.
• 1:22:18
  I want everybody to think about that part. It's been thirteen months since
• 1:22:21
  then. It's pissed a lot of people off the fact that Elon I applauded
• 1:22:25
  you for standing up to folks who you're saying what you're saying to advertisers,
• 1:22:29
  where what do you have to do be a slave to them? They have
• 1:22:30
  to constantly put that fear in you. We applaud you. You got a
• 1:22:33
  lot of people backing you up. Alex. It's great to have you back
• 1:22:36
  on pushing the envelope. You could be wrong. Everybody could be wrong.
• 1:22:40
  It's not like all of us are always right. We have the ability to
• 1:22:43
  be wrong and when we are, and people can challenge us and move on,
• 1:22:45
  and you know, then they can make a decision either Look, I
• 1:22:47
  don't like Alex, or I like Alex, great, no problem. That's
• 1:22:49
  the freedom of you know, you have to pick and choose to like somebody's
• 1:22:54
  use or not. But the biggest factor here is somebody had the courage to
• 1:22:58
  use their resources to buy platform like this, to give everybody else to freedom
• 1:23:01
  to debate, to argue, to give their thoughts, to give their opinions.
• 1:23:05
  And at the same time, if you're wrong, you admit to it.
• 1:23:08
  If you're not, you stick to your guns. But best part on
• 1:23:12
  what's going on to the world right now is we are finding each other.
• 1:23:15
  The fighters are finding each other, and that has got to be a very
• 1:23:18
  scary thing to people who oppose the concept of freedom of speed. So I
• 1:23:23
  have no question for Alex, I have no questions for Elan. I just
• 1:23:26
  wanted to jump in and applaud everybody, even those who debate, even those
• 1:23:30
  who agree, even those who disagree. Future looks bright. The right people
• 1:23:32
  are finding each other and I plod all of you. That's all I wanted
• 1:23:35
  to say. So Patrick beautifully s brother. Remember Patrick, I apologize for
• 1:23:41
  Sandyhood on your show five. Remember that. I remember that. I remember
• 1:23:44
  that. Patrick. Question for you and you've been here a few times in
• 1:23:47
  you've uploaded spaces and X. When is the show? You've got too many
• 1:23:50
  subscribers on YouTube? When will the X vision launch? When will the X
• 1:23:55
  version launch. I've never had a conversation with Elan, We've never had to
• 1:23:59
  sit down. I totally support what they're doing right now. What we're doing
• 1:24:02
  is we're starting to upload all our episodes on X as well as we're putting
• 1:24:08
  on other platforms. But the direction this is going with a few ass that
• 1:24:12
  was made where we cannot watch the video on two point oh speed. I'm
• 1:24:15
  a two point oh speed guy. I like Mark speed Spot Marx. No,
• 1:24:18
  I totally see it going that direction. But no, I mean,
• 1:24:21
  look, it's look what's going on right now? Look at this live.
• 1:24:24
  How many people are on right now? I don't know what the number is.
• 1:24:26
  One hundred and one hundred and eighteen hundred eight, one hundred and nineteen
• 1:24:30
  thousand on a Sunday where I'm sitting in my backyard and I'm watching my four
• 1:24:34
  kids play soccer, and we're able to jump on and have a conversation like
• 1:24:39
  this. This is insane. The power of what's going on with this.
• 1:24:43
  This is the future. I think this is just the beginning, and the
• 1:24:45
  right guy is driving it. So future looks bright Sef. Yeah, this
• 1:24:49
  question is for mister Musk and mister Gates. So during the twenty twenty election
• 1:24:54
  cycle, we saw a lot of people be either the platformed or noted for
• 1:24:58
  making claims of election. From now the time that those claims were made,
• 1:25:01
  there was no way of knowing they were true or untrue because they hadn't been
• 1:25:04
  litigated yet. So going forward, as we're coming into a new election cycle,
• 1:25:09
  mister Gates, is there anything being done legislatively or in the House to
• 1:25:13
  ensure that doesn't happen again? In the same question to go to mister Musk,
• 1:25:15
  thank you. The strongest I think influence on that censorship regime right now
• 1:25:21
  is the Missouri v. Biden, you know, litigation and the injunctions there
• 1:25:27
  that are being resolved, and some sort of the public humiliation we've put some
• 1:25:31
  of the senior DJ and FBI leadership through as they've had to fess up to
• 1:25:35
  the nature of some of these emails and contacts. We've brought the journalists that
• 1:25:41
  have been covering this Schellenberger and tight be forward to kind of repeatedly try to
• 1:25:45
  set that deterrent. But I think that it's not just about elections. I
• 1:25:50
  mean, it can be about any number of the things that the federal government
• 1:25:54
  wants to control the four quarters of discourse on. And these are the people
• 1:25:59
  who were of like you know, that would have banned Galileo. And yet
• 1:26:02
  when people want to share evidence or experiences or concerns, you can't have the
• 1:26:10
  Department of Public Security and SISSA working alongside NSA and FBI on those projects.
• 1:26:15
  Otherwise people start to fear that if they're not proactively censoring, that they run
• 1:26:21
  a foul of some sort of legal regime. And it's also sickening if you
• 1:26:26
  just track the extent to which a lot of these senior lawyers oscillate back and
• 1:26:30
  forth between big tech and the senior positions in our government that decide these things.
• 1:26:35
  So Republicans of the House should be taking a stronger stand. In my
• 1:26:39
  view, we should be putting writers on the funding for SISSA and FBI so
• 1:26:45
  that you know, anything that would occur there would be so clearly outside the
• 1:26:48
  law that it would draw sanction. But instead we continue to govern by these
• 1:26:54
  continuing resolutions that don't gate resources away from that censorship. Well, actually,
• 1:27:00
  the fact you mentioned that about the FBI insists this has been the huge thing
• 1:27:03
  that's come out of the Twitter files, and it's it was a two way
• 1:27:06
  street. So while you're tracking what the government was doing in twenty VCV censorship
• 1:27:12
  really leaning on regards to the Hunter Drive laptop, which we released in October
• 1:27:16
  of twenty twenty, this is actually a huge question for X going forward into
• 1:27:20
  twenty because Elon, you've said that you want to be in you know,
• 1:27:24
  working in conjunction within the confines of the law. But the question is if
• 1:27:29
  that law is being enforced by the law enforcement agency of the FBI or the
• 1:27:34
  DHS, and then they come to X and say these posts need to be
• 1:27:39
  censored, this information needs to be censored because we've determined whatever it is.
• 1:27:43
  You know, how does X make that determination. Well, if we believe
• 1:27:46
  that something is not in accordance with the law, then we will ask a
• 1:27:51
  judger jury to make a decision, don't We don't have much of it that
• 1:27:56
  that is the best we can do. So and I just want to just
• 1:27:59
  kind of again he'll go cool, Sorry, Yeah, I just wanted to
• 1:28:02
  go that the X platform will aspire to be as neutral as possible, and
• 1:28:05
  you know that's that's to be as open and transparent as possible. I think
• 1:28:11
  we will be. I think we'll achieve maximum transparency. I think I think
• 1:28:15
  we'll be fully transparent, hopefully by early next year. But I'm confident we
• 1:28:19
  will be fully transparent by the time there is an election next year. So
• 1:28:25
  like basically, people, we'll just see anything that is happening on the system
• 1:28:28
  and nothing will be hidden. That is the goal. Well, if those
• 1:28:31
  agencies, though, the FBI, the DHS, et cetera, if they
• 1:28:33
  reach out to X. I believe they called it defensive briefings in twenty twenty
• 1:28:40
  regarding which eventually culminated in the censorship with Hunter Biden. If they started reaching
• 1:28:44
  out again, would that be something that you or the team and no,
• 1:28:46
  I can understand if you don want to answer now, but you would consider
• 1:28:49
  making public where will be as transparent as possible with that, you know.
• 1:28:55
  Yeah? And frankly, if I say I'm an agency is breaking the law
• 1:28:59
  in de Meez on the platform, I would be prepared to go to prison
• 1:29:02
  personally if I think the other ones briefing below Redheads and then Alix and Benny
• 1:29:06
  Great, thank you, Hi everyone. I'm Josie. I'm the redheaded libertarian
• 1:29:10
  and X and I'm a revolutionary historian and I do outside media work at timcast
• 1:29:14
  dot com. I just wanted to jump back to X as a free speech
• 1:29:17
  platform. Elon had mentioned constitutional speech will be protected, and there's some confusion
• 1:29:24
  as to what that constitutes constitutional speech, So I just wanted to help kind
• 1:29:29
  of clarify that for some listeners who might have questions. So the speech and
• 1:29:32
  expression which are not given protections in America under the First Amendment include incitement,
• 1:29:39
  defamation, fraud, obscenity, CP, fighting words, and true threats.
• 1:29:44
  The government does have power to make blanket regulations on speech, including time,
• 1:29:48
  place, manner. That's usually done in the form of permits. And when
• 1:29:51
  it comes to slander and libel, those are defamation adjacent and need to be
• 1:29:57
  proven as there's no such thing as a false opinion in under the First Amendment,
• 1:30:00
  only a false fact. But many times by the time the due process
• 1:30:04
  is through, the damage has already been done. I mean, we saw
• 1:30:06
  that with the k me too movement, particularly with Justice Cavan always saw that
• 1:30:11
  with Alex Jones, the Tates, Nick san Man, Kyle Rittenhouse, where
• 1:30:14
  the kind of propaganda machine took over and and truth was lost for a period
• 1:30:19
  of time. So when it comes to obscenity, that's the hardest constitutional violation
• 1:30:24
  to prove, when it comes to the expression of that, because it's it
• 1:30:28
  has kind of a standard of I know it when I see it. So
• 1:30:30
  there is something called the Miller test to determine whether something is deemed legally extreme,
• 1:30:35
  so I hope that help. We're not doing drag clean story time here.
• 1:30:39
  We're not all for vowels around, haging websites remoting freedom. That's why
• 1:30:43
  we're stucured. Yes exactly, Yes, Hi, I wanted to know you
• 1:30:46
  could. I just wanted to thank Elon for his commitment to free speech or
• 1:30:50
  in sading Alex of course, welcome back, and I just wanted to I
• 1:30:54
  think it was Mark Dice earlier who raised this with Owen Schreyer's band. I
• 1:30:58
  just wanted to note that it didn't have anything to do with the info.
• 1:31:00
  Worst thing. It actually had to do with the fact that he called for
• 1:31:05
  people to come to a rally and Media Matters actually did a hit piece and
• 1:31:10
  they said that it would violate Texas's social Distancing Order. So that's how they
• 1:31:16
  actually got him banned was through a Media Matters hit piece. So in response,
• 1:31:21
  Twitter one point oh banned him. So I just wanted to get any
• 1:31:24
  thoughts on that. What's the perfect timing, Elon? Maybe you can also
• 1:31:28
  give us an update if there is any, on Media Matters and why you
• 1:31:30
  decided it. Yeah, Media Matters is an evil propaganda machine, so I
• 1:31:36
  just generally I'm against evil propaganda machines, and so we are seeing them in
• 1:31:41
  every country that they operate, and we will pursue not just the organization,
• 1:31:44
  but anyone funding that organization. I want to be clear about that. Anyone
• 1:31:47
  funding that organization will be we will pursue them. So Media Matters is an
• 1:31:51
  evil propaganda machine that they can go to hell. I hope they do.
• 1:31:55
  So. Yeah, So I actually I need to, you know, just
• 1:32:00
  step of the call at this point. I just have some family obligations.
• 1:32:03
  I think it's been certainly a very interesting conversation. I suspect this will go
• 1:32:08
  viral, probably snippets of it will go viral in a way that don't entirely
• 1:32:13
  represent the situation. I hope that anyone through reading about it or hears about
• 1:32:17
  it, actually just it takes the time to listen to the entire spaces conversation,
• 1:32:23
  it will be saved. I suspect there will be probably many millions,
• 1:32:26
  not tens of millions of people listening to the conversation. I just hope they
• 1:32:29
  listen to the whole conversation and not just small parts of it. Elan,
• 1:32:32
  I totally agree. Let me just say thanks to reinstate me. I'm going
• 1:32:35
  to do the best job to not be misrepresented. Thank you, Thank you
• 1:32:41
  for the freedom of promoting the pro human future. We're on team humanity.
• 1:32:44
  Thanks for spending two hours with us. Plus and this has just been surreal.
• 1:32:47
  It's really been amazing. Show x is where it's at. Thank you
• 1:32:51
  Elon much heert welcome. Like I said, I'm very much in favor of
• 1:32:56
  supporting the in the United States, the Logan Constitution in the United States,
• 1:33:00
  and I think if we start, you know, eroding, if we e
• 1:33:03
  road freedom of speech, we erode the foundation of democracy. The bedrock for
• 1:33:09
  democracy is freedom of speech. We must do everything we possibly can protect up
• 1:33:13
  well. Thank you Elon for all the time, and I want to thank
• 1:33:15
  the Soul crew. I'm going to be posting a lot of stuff at Real
• 1:33:17
  alex showns on Twitter. People should follow us there. And this has been
• 1:33:21
  the most epic interview ever. I love this New Spaces system and it's just
• 1:33:26
  good to have my identity back to actually say what I actually said versus misrepresenting.
• 1:33:30
  I'm not perfect, but God bless you all, and I really appreciate
• 1:33:32
  Elon Musk and everybody else that is promoting free speech because we don't have free
• 1:33:36
  speech, we have nothing. I appreciate it. Alex and Benny. Maybe
• 1:33:39
  you can guess the final word. I know you've been waiting for a while
• 1:33:42
  to get to have you more. Oh hey, Hi, how are you
• 1:33:43
  doing? Guys? Big kudos Elon, Thank you so very much for creating
• 1:33:46
  this space and obviously for believing in principle more than money. Jack Swagger jacks
• 1:33:51
  my question. I was going to ask about twenty twenty four election integrity and
• 1:33:56
  government interference, so instead I'll ask about out when you told Bob Iger to
• 1:34:01
  go fuck himself a couple of times, asking asked me, he long,
• 1:34:06
  yes, yeah, he was jumped off. I was gonna give you the
• 1:34:09
  final word to wrap up the space, and Alison is jumping out. I
• 1:34:13
  mean that was the moment Lord giving into their intimidation and they're blackmail, go
• 1:34:16
  fuck yourself, New World Order. I was going, as you just miss
• 1:34:21
  it, but give you an idea of the space. And we started off
• 1:34:24
  with Alex. You know, I messaged him to jump on you did they
• 1:34:28
  We had the Tape Brothers come on, Matt Gates. Obviously that's was trying
• 1:34:32
  to be patient. And now I was trying to be paid. I appreciate
• 1:34:34
  it, but I appreciate him. I was good to have you, just
• 1:34:38
  like Patrick Bett David. I'm here with my kids, so I'm like,
• 1:34:40
  I'm like for big, I'm not going to piss live on this, but
• 1:34:44
  you might hear a crying baby. All right. Good to have you many,
• 1:34:45
  Good to have everyone, Alex. Your final thoughts on the Spaceman is
• 1:34:48
  pretty pretty has to come back to text. I don't think it's pretty,
• 1:34:51
  but it's way better than all the shows. It's humanity deciding our free speech
• 1:34:56
  is paramount. Those are trying to know that was free speech or enemies.
• 1:35:00
  We need to actually hear what we actually say instead of what we're told.
• 1:35:01
  Somebody said. Elon Musk is doing a superlegium job to everybody that helped getting
• 1:35:06
  back on X and this whole thing. This is historic, but the deep
• 1:35:10
  state, the empire is going to strike back. So I'll see everybody at
• 1:35:13
  in ful Wars dot com for his last show band dot video. We'll see
• 1:35:16
  at real Alex shows on X. We're gonna hear what I actually say versus
• 1:35:21
  what they claim I say. Because you're adults, you deserve to actually hear
• 1:35:26
  what people are saying versus what they're told you're saying, So that's why this
• 1:35:30
  is so incredibly epic. So God bless you all and good luck. I'll
• 1:35:33
  see it at real Alex shows on Twitter please follow us there. Thanks so
• 1:35:36
  to everyone, we appreciate it.