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The Kenny Report | 3 December · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The sluggish economy, government spending running wild, but individuals and
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  Speaker 2: households stuck at a cost of living crisis. I'll speak
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  Speaker 2: with Shadow Treasurer Ted O'Brien. Anti Semitism still rampant. We
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  Speaker 2: were warning about this more than two years ago and
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  Speaker 2: it's an issue for all of us. I'll speak with
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  Speaker 2: Alex Rivchin that ABC misinformation I called out last night,
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  Speaker 2: their claim that it's not renewables that are pushing up
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  Speaker 2: electricity prices.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you an expert verdict.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'd say, mathematically it is the cause for high prices.
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  Speaker 2: That full Matt Rennie interview later, also Pauline Hanson on
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  Speaker 2: immigration and in the Wednesday wrangle with Denika and Justin
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  Speaker 2: how the renewables push sees taxpayers money going to Chinese companies.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get going.
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  Speaker 2: This government is starting to have its true colors revealed.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it's also starting to reveal its true colors
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  Speaker 2: to the country. The latest economic figures show that strong
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  Speaker 2: economic growth continues to elude us, the economy growing at
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  Speaker 2: just above two percent, nothing like the three percent or
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  Speaker 2: more that we need, Yet we've still got inflation that's
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  Speaker 2: too high, preventing further interest rate cuts. Why well, because
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  Speaker 2: much of the economic growth is coming from government spending
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  Speaker 2: and high immigration.
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  Speaker 1: The urb and easy labor.
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  Speaker 2: Government's record spending and borrowing continues driving inflation up, squeezing
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  Speaker 2: our cost of living, and also acting like a handbrake
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  Speaker 2: on productivity. The private part of the economy, the market economy,
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  Speaker 2: the parts that produce the wealth and fund the governments
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  Speaker 2: with their taxes, well, they're still sluggish.
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  Speaker 4: You get a bigger public sector, it's less efficient than
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  Speaker 4: the private secret in doing things. You get lower productivity.
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  Speaker 4: That means slower growth in living standards. It means higher
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  Speaker 4: inflation than what otherwise has been the case, and it
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  Speaker 4: means higher interest rates, unfortunately, than would otherwise have.
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  Speaker 1: Been the case.
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  Speaker 2: And while the government remains focused on everything but the economy,
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  Speaker 2: pushing its social media ban for teenagers and environmental laws
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  Speaker 2: that actually stemy investment, and it continues to employ tens
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of extra public servants, the Treasurer thinks he's
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  Speaker 2: doing a wonderful job.
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  Speaker 5: So I see this commentary about public spending, I see
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  Speaker 5: this commentary about public demand but what the numbers tell
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  Speaker 5: us today is the growth is coming from the private
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  Speaker 5: sector in ways that we've been planning for, preparing for,
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  Speaker 5: and frankly hoping for.
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  Speaker 2: This smugness reveals the true arrogance and delusion of this government.
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  Speaker 2: While families and small businesses fight through a cost of
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  Speaker 2: living and housing crisis, and the debt and deficits mount,
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  Speaker 2: this government shows no sign of trimming its own cloth.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned the social media ban well back in September.
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  Speaker 2: I criticized the minister responsible for that, Anika Wells, for
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  Speaker 2: traveling to the United Nations in New York City to
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  Speaker 2: sprook that policy at a time when there was a
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  Speaker 2: triple zero disaster unfolding at home, and when a clutch
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  Speaker 2: of other ministers, including the Prime Minister, were also in
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  Speaker 2: New York. They were busy turning their backs on Israel
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  Speaker 2: at the UN. Well, we now know that Wells's trip
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  Speaker 2: with two staffers costs more than one hundred thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 2: and on top of that, they put on an event
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  Speaker 2: that cost seventy thousand dollars. I guess that's all small
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  Speaker 2: beer for people spending other people's money. The minister was
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  Speaker 2: asked about it today by Sky's Reuben Spargo.
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  Speaker 6: How do you justify it spending this amount of taxpayers dollars.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the reason you know all those things is because
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  Speaker 7: we're transparent about them, and we will disclose them and
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  Speaker 7: will continue to disclose information about that trip through the
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  Speaker 7: usual processes. That trip was undertaken as the Minister for Communications,
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  Speaker 7: and I think, and I would think that people who
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  Speaker 7: were there for that un event who join us in
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  Speaker 7: this room today would agree with me that it was
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  Speaker 7: incredibly important. That event fuelled a global momentum.
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  Speaker 1: In this space.
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  Speaker 6: You don't think that was expensive for airfes over ninety
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  Speaker 6: four thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 7: I've answered your question.
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  Speaker 8: You got to love that everyone who was on the
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  Speaker 8: trip thought it was worthwhile. Yeah, the true colors of
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  Speaker 8: a government out of touch with everyday concerns. And when
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  Speaker 8: it comes to the economy, one of the key factors
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  Speaker 8: where government policy can make a real difference is energy.
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  Speaker 8: And while energy prices continue to rise up more than
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  Speaker 8: a thousand dollars from when Labor promised to cut them
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  Speaker 8: by two hundred and seventy five dollars, and now the
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  Speaker 8: regulator says hundreds of thousands of consumers are struggling to
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  Speaker 8: pay their electricity bills well. Labor continues to insist that
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  Speaker 8: its renewables plan will work, which is highly doubtful, and
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  Speaker 8: they even claim it will lead to price reductions cheaper power.
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  Speaker 4: What else has to change the economics that renewables are
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  Speaker 4: the cheapest form of energy.
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  Speaker 5: The cheapest form of new energy is renewable energy.
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  Speaker 4: What's good for your bill is good for emissions.
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  Speaker 9: Renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy.
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  Speaker 2: Yet experts, even experts committed to the renewables transition, they're
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  Speaker 2: lining up to tell us that cheaper electricity will not
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  Speaker 2: be happening.
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  Speaker 3: Culifide power is the lowest and it is the most
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  Speaker 3: reliable form of generation going around. With the technical life
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  Speaker 3: and the economic life of culifide power. There will be
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  Speaker 3: a change over to a new system, and that new
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  Speaker 3: system is my It's likely to be renewable and storage
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  Speaker 3: with a little bit of gas and some hydra. But
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  Speaker 3: there's no point saying it's going to be cheaper, because
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  Speaker 3: it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Albinezer government is selling a lie. It's promised
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  Speaker 2: what it can't deliver. And yet in the face of
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  Speaker 2: that reality and all the facts. It continues to sell
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  Speaker 2: a fantasy that's the true colors of this government. It's
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  Speaker 2: indulging itself in ideological and political fantasies, while in the
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  Speaker 2: real world the economy and mainstream Australians struggle along. The
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  Speaker 2: scourge of antisemitism continues in this country. The hatred unleashed
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  Speaker 2: against Australians who are Jewish has been sickening to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Over the past two years.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen the Adas Synagogue torch to the ground in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: cars burned and sprayed with hate for messages in Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: and a childcare center firebomb and people threatened by protests
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  Speaker 2: deliberately targeting Jewish communities in Melbourne's corefield and in the
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  Speaker 2: eastern suburbs of Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: And it's all been inflamed.
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  Speaker 2: By weekly protests in both capitals, ostensibly pro Palestinian protests
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  Speaker 2: but really anti Israeli and often giving vent to anti
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  Speaker 2: Jewish rhetoric.
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  Speaker 1: It's been alarming and apart.
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  Speaker 2: From threatening and intimidating the Jewish community, it's undermined our
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  Speaker 2: national cohesion and challenged our national values.
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  Speaker 1: A new report from the.
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  Speaker 2: Executive Council of Australian Jury has identified more than sixteen
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  Speaker 2: hundred's sixteen hundred acts of anti Semitism over the past year,
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  Speaker 2: with the rate of anti Semitic attacks over the past
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  Speaker 2: two years running at five times.
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  Speaker 1: What was seen in the death before.
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  Speaker 2: These attacks have traumatized tens of thousands of Australians who
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  Speaker 2: happened to be Jewish. Some have left Australia because of it.
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  Speaker 2: Others have been forced to contemplate that option in the
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  Speaker 2: interests of their families. This is an ongoing national tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: If it was happening to any other community, there would
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  Speaker 2: be widespread national outrage. If this sort of intolerance is allowed,
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  Speaker 2: it will only get worse and it will be weaponized
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  Speaker 2: against other groups too, Christians perhaps, or Hindus. Who knows
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  Speaker 2: much of this, Let's just be calm and frank and
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  Speaker 2: factual about it. Much of this has emanated from Muslim groups,
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  Speaker 2: with hate preaching from imams such as Sydney's shake Ibrahim
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  Speaker 2: de Doun, who led a public celebration at Lakember the
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  Speaker 2: day after.
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  Speaker 1: The October seventh attack. Acts.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly latent antisemitism has fested in our community because, astonishingly
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  Speaker 2: it was unleashed with instant fury not when Israel or
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  Speaker 2: Jews did anything controversial or wrong. No, it was unleashed
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  Speaker 2: within hours of twelve hundred Israelis being slaughtered on October seventh.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: Yet when Jewish babies and children, Israeli girls and young men, mothers,
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  Speaker 2: fathers and grandparents, when they were slaughtered, tortured, raped, burned, alive,
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  Speaker 2: and their bodies defiled, that's when the haters decided to
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  Speaker 2: hit the streets of Australia and celebrate and denounce Israel
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  Speaker 2: and Jews. And even while two hundred and fifty one
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  Speaker 2: hostages were violently stolen away into Gaza and Israeli authority
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  Speaker 2: were retrieving and trying to identify bodies, and before Israel
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  Speaker 2: had launched a war in response, the haters of Israel
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  Speaker 2: and Jews were on our streets, celebrating a victory they claimed,
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  Speaker 2: and protesting against Israel. It was clear way back then
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  Speaker 2: that police and governments were not doing enough. I lamented
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  Speaker 2: our weakness back on October tenth, twenty twenty three, and
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  Speaker 2: said that police, on instruction from the New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: government had failed. They surrendered the streets to the extremists
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  Speaker 2: and the only people they arrested and dragged away were
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  Speaker 2: those supporters of Israel. This is the sharp end of
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  Speaker 2: political correctness. This is how the woke crusade ends up.
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  Speaker 2: The New South Wales police and government are so scared
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  Speaker 2: of confronting Islamist extremists, so scared of being accused of Islamophobia,
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  Speaker 2: that they end up enabling anti Semitism, enabling a festival
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  Speaker 2: of hate and oppressing the victims.
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  Speaker 1: This is weakness, a country that does not understand how
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  Speaker 1: to defend its own values.
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  Speaker 2: It was just so obvious right at the start that
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  Speaker 2: you needed to clamp down heard on this stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: they just let it run. And Anthony Alberanezi as Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister has been pathetic and remain so. And here we are,
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  Speaker 2: more than two years later, still dealing with hate, still
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  Speaker 2: dealing with Australians being targeted in their own country because
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  Speaker 2: they are Jewish. This is shameful and this is a
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  Speaker 2: direct challenge to our national values and character. If you
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  Speaker 2: think it's got nothing to do with you, then think again,
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  Speaker 2: because if they succeed in scaring Jews into hiding or
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  Speaker 2: fleeing this country, then they'll come for you next. People
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  Speaker 2: don't have to barrack for the Israeli government.
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  Speaker 1: Or approve of everything they do.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, people have every right to advocate against any
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  Speaker 2: government and any policy, but attacking Jews or all Israelis,
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  Speaker 2: that is hate, that is racial and religious intolerance, and
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  Speaker 2: that should not be tolerated in this country.
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  Speaker 1: And anyone who's not speaking up.
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  Speaker 2: Against this, anyone turning a blind eye to this scourge,
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  Speaker 2: well they are, I'm afraid to say they are part
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  Speaker 2: of the problem. Let's go to the One Nation leader
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  Speaker 2: paul En Hanson, who joins us from her home in Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Pauline, just on that this
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  Speaker 2: Adi Semitism scourge which is ongoing. I've discussed it with
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  Speaker 2: you over the past two years. I just don't think
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  Speaker 2: our state or federal governments have done enough to stamp
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  Speaker 2: this out. I think the New South Wald's Covenant has
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  Speaker 2: gotten stronger over time. It was weak at the outset,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't see anything from the federal labor government
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  Speaker 2: that has really increased their effort here at all.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think they have either. Chris and I agree
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  Speaker 10: with you.
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  Speaker 11: We've seen that they try to bring hate speech laws,
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  Speaker 11: but when you still see imams on the streets crying
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  Speaker 11: out their hatred and it shouldn't be allowed. I just
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  Speaker 11: stop it straight away. The police that you write, the
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  Speaker 11: police are frightened to actually come out against them. The
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  Speaker 11: members of parliament frighten to come out against them because
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  Speaker 11: they don't know the repercussions that's going to happen. It's
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  Speaker 11: just been let to get this stage in this country.
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  Speaker 11: They feel they just go out there and do whatever
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  Speaker 11: they want to do and they get away with it.
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  Speaker 11: So until you've got strong leadership to come down hard
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  Speaker 11: on anyone, they purchase any hate right across the board,
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  Speaker 11: whether it's neo Nazis, whether it's you know, Islamophobia or
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  Speaker 11: hate against anyone. The Jewish community should never have happened
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  Speaker 11: to them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Anthony Albanesi and his government have just rewarded
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  Speaker 2: the haters by recognizing a non existent state of Palestine,
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  Speaker 2: thinking that's what they want.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, correct, that's exactly what they want, and they're spreading
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  Speaker 11: the tentacles throughout this country. They're not rained in on
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  Speaker 11: a lot of issues. So anyway, it's something that I
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  Speaker 11: will keep pushing forward to expose it for what it
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  Speaker 11: is and show the government up for what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about immigration.
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  Speaker 2: There's something where you've been a strong voice for decades
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  Speaker 2: and where you've been consistent. The Liberal Party looks like
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  Speaker 2: having a bit of internal turmoil over the immigration debate
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  Speaker 2: at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: I want to have a look at this email.
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  Speaker 2: From Andrew Bragg, a Liberal senator, that he sent out
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  Speaker 2: to members of the party. He says, many argue that
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  Speaker 2: the salvation for Australian housing would be to migration.
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  Speaker 1: We should look to.
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  Speaker 2: The mensie z era for a solution. Immigration is sorry.
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  Speaker 2: That's the end of Andrew Bragg there. He's supporting high
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  Speaker 2: levels of immigration. And let's go to another quote here
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  Speaker 2: from Andrew Hasty. These are both written postings to their message,
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  Speaker 2: their supporters and their members. Andrew Hasty says immigration is
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  Speaker 2: out of control. It's bidding up housing prices and rents
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  Speaker 2: and destroying our fragile social cohesion. Families have never had
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  Speaker 2: such a rotten deal. Buying a home feels impossible. Now,
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  Speaker 2: obviously you would agree with the Andrew Hasty version there,
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  Speaker 2: but it just seems to be troubling that the Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Party has such divergent views there that they can't find
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  Speaker 2: some common ground here because no one is actually arguing
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of immigration. It's just about the level
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  Speaker 2: and the controls around it.
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  Speaker 11: Chris tells me they're not in tune with the grassroots
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  Speaker 11: Australians now. I went to Melbourne on the weekend for
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  Speaker 11: a rally against mass migration and the people are angry.
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  Speaker 11: And it doesn't just stop with housing, rental accommodation. It's
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  Speaker 11: also in the hospital, the education, nursing homes, infrastructure, roads
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  Speaker 11: wherever you go over morning, the roads are just congested
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  Speaker 11: because the high numbers that we have coming into the country.
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  Speaker 11: So it's a flow on effect as well. And he says, well,
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  Speaker 11: it won't change the matter, and he wants to go
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  Speaker 11: back to Mensies. Well, Mensies was seventy years ago. That
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  Speaker 11: was just after the Second Rule, totally different circumstances what
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  Speaker 11: we have now, and you've got over seventy to eighty
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  Speaker 11: percent of people saying the immigration is very high. And
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  Speaker 11: those people that are saying no, let more in. These
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  Speaker 11: are people when you have thirty percent of Australians are
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  Speaker 11: actually born overseas. They're the ones that are wanting to
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  Speaker 11: bring in their own families. They still want more to
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  Speaker 11: come in because they want to bring out their own
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  Speaker 11: loved ones into Australia. We can't cope with it, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: That's why I believe cut it right back to about
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  Speaker 11: one point fifty.
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  Speaker 10: We have one thirty.
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  Speaker 11: I should say we have about up to two hundred
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  Speaker 11: thousand a year. May leaven one year replace those, but
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  Speaker 11: we've got to bring in skilled migrants.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 11: In seventy between twenty two and twenty three were brought
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  Speaker 11: in seven hundred and forty thousand. Now, of that only
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  Speaker 11: eighteen hundred were in the construction industry. And in twenty
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  Speaker 11: seventeen I was warning them then that we never had
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  Speaker 11: enough trades in Australia and I got them put up
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  Speaker 11: an apprenticeship policy that I had, but they only did
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  Speaker 11: it for thirteen hundred and sixty. So I tried to
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  Speaker 11: warm them back then with shortage. And it's exactly what's
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  Speaker 11: happened now. We're not bringing the right people. We're flooding
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  Speaker 11: the country. And brag is completely wrong here, as he
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  Speaker 11: was with net zero, he should be in the labor
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  Speaker 11: side of government. He should be with the Greens, not
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  Speaker 11: the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 10: They're arguing with each other. They have no idea of
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  Speaker 10: finding middle ground.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a stupid thing to do politically because
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  Speaker 2: they need to sell a consistent message. But I agree
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  Speaker 2: with the other thing. Andrew Bragg is just right. He's
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  Speaker 2: fighting at shadows. Nobody who's arguing against immigration. It's about
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  Speaker 2: it's about the number and how you control it. And
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  Speaker 2: we've learned in the past that you've got to have
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  Speaker 2: strong and orderly immigration in order to progress the nation,
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  Speaker 2: but also to maintain support for immigration.
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  Speaker 1: We've send that time and time again.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to get to the latest polls, get you
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  Speaker 2: your interpretation on them. You must be wrapped at how
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  Speaker 2: highly one nation is polling at eighteen percent, that's quite incredible.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to focus on males gen X males,
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  Speaker 2: that's males sort of in their late fifties and below.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose you must be really appealing to what are
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  Speaker 2: we talking about here that the trading co ord or
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  Speaker 2: do you know who's coming to you as a party, Well,
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  Speaker 2: these are the.
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  Speaker 11: Males apparently you know fifty born sixty five to eighty,
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  Speaker 11: those ones who may be in financial stress.
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  Speaker 10: And hey, we've got to give this woman.
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  Speaker 11: A go, and this party you go, because you know,
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  Speaker 11: to get that age in life and you're still struggling.
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  Speaker 11: You forgot to ask yourself why the mortgage rates going up?
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  Speaker 11: They can't add families. A lot of these guys also
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  Speaker 11: have been got probably through a marriage breakup, so you
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  Speaker 11: know they're doing it tough out there, and it can
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  Speaker 11: also be from family law. I'm the only one that's
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  Speaker 11: really out there fighting about family law and many of
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  Speaker 11: these issues.
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  Speaker 10: Chris as well, So I appreciate all the all the
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  Speaker 10: sport that I'm getting.
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  Speaker 11: And demos who came out they said that we're looking
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  Speaker 11: at possibly twelve lower House seats that one nation. Now
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  Speaker 11: if pol was if an election was held, that we'd
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  Speaker 11: have a good chance of winning.
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  Speaker 10: So one nation is doing extremely well.
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  Speaker 11: I'm very buoyed by that, but it's still two years,
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  Speaker 11: two and a half years outside election. A lot can
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  Speaker 11: happen then, So Pole's great, but a lot of work
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  Speaker 11: to be done yet.
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  Speaker 2: Sure Sure, as long what ago, It just strikes me
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  Speaker 2: that Barnaby Joyce would just about fit into that age bracket, wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: He might just the last of the of the boomers
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  Speaker 2: before you hit gen X, but he certainly a mail
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: of around about the right age. Thanks for joining us, Pauline,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Pauline ants in their lives from Queenslain. Now,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I want to follow up on this story I brought
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: you last night because on the program here last night,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I called out the ABC's Sarah Ferguson for a so
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: called fact check that she put up on social media. Now, Ferguson,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the seven to thirty program host true to the ABC's
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Green Left form, was trying to rebut opposition leader Susan
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Lee's claim that the renewables roll out was behind our
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: rising electricity prices.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Listen to this bold claim.
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: Power bills are high, but the rollout of renewables are
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: not the cause.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Well, last night I explained why that was plane wrong. Clearly,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the reason our electricity prices have risen to record levels
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and will continue to rise is the renewables push. Ferguson's
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: blatant furfey is typical of ABC bias and of the
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: misinformation in this debate.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: So I decided to get an expert.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: And independent analysis from Matt Rennie, executive director of Renni Advisory,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and I put to him whether the cause of high
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: power prices is or is not the push to renewables.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Well, i'd say mathematically it is the cause for higher prices.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: The story really began with one in four rooftop side
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: one in four households having rooftop solar, which is caused
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: an enormous amount of solar spill into the market. That
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: of course, has made life hard for coal. And what
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: we're now seeing is coal shadowing gas towards the end
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: of the day and the average price rising. Renewables of
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: all kinds more expensive than coal, with the exception of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: baseload solo, which is essentially freak.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Now you say this as someone who's committed to the
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: transition to renewables. In fact, your business advises people on
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: how to decarbonize and take advantage of all this. Yet
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you say straight up that the push to renewables has
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: so far pushed prices up.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt we've had the advantage of decades of
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: very low priced Culfide power. Culfide power is the lowest
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and it is the most reliable form of generation going around.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: With the technical life and the economic life of culfide power,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: there will be a change over to a new system,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: and that new system is most likely to be renewables
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: and storage. With a little bit of gas and some hydra,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but there's no point saying it's going to be cheaper
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: because it's not.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: So do we expect power price increases to continue into
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the future and will they eventually drop off from this
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: trajectory or are we locked into a higher electricity forever.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I think we're locked into high electricity prices for it
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: at least the next five to ten years. And the
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: reason for that is all organisms are committed to their
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: own survival. Coal fired power stations are no different. It's
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: very hard for them to be economically sustainable during the
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: day because of the amount of spill solar. It's natural
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: that they would try and bid in later in the
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: day where the demand is higher. That's causing or it's
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: one of the causes for prices rising. But then in
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the shift to baseload power with wind and solar in
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: particular for the rest of the day, so that five
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: pm to seven am in the morning, you know we're
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: seeing an increase from say col fire generation of fifty
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: five dollars a megawat hour to wind, which is in
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: that ninety five to one hundred and ten dollars a
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: megaled our range unfirmed, and so it's inevitably it's a
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: cleaner system, but it's a more expensive system compared to
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: what we've had now.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I just want to I'll come back to some of
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: those causes in a moment, But first up, when you.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Talk about higher power prices for the next five or
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: ten years, do they then drop or do they then.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Just sort of go along with CPI if you like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: stay at that higher level.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But once the system's transitioned, it will get to a
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: point where they won't go up anymore. What we have
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: with solar is a very very cheap form of energy
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: during the day. Of course, that won't keep going until
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: the powers off, until the sun goes down behind a
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: cloud or goes down at the end of the day,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: so batteries will then pick up that load between four
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: pm and eight pm. With wind based loading as well.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: What worries me is that midnight to six am time
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: where demand is low, but there needs to be enough
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: wind and that's the hydro piece. But we would expect
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: in the next five to ten years as coal rolls out,
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: which is too early for Cole to do now, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: should say, but as it does roll out, that hopefully
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: prices will plateau.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Now tell us.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: About those other inputs into price increases. You've talked about
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: the interchange between solar and coal and gas.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: What about transmission.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: The additional transmission needed for renewables is increasing massively. The
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: capital outlay that's feeding into prices a little now, is
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: that kind of win crease?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. So there's two things that are going to
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: change in the next ten years as we move to
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: this new system on the network side, So networks is
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: of course the very large lines, the transmission lines, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: then the ones that run up and down the street,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: the distribution lines. On the transmission side, we're moving from
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: a very singlely located large generation sources in coal to
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: a large number of individual, smaller sites through renewables, and
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: that of course is adding infrastructure, and that infrastructure will
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: add cost. On the distribution side, as we move into
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: an environment of evs and solar buyback and household batteries,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the grid needs to be more resilient and so we're
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: expecting a rebuild there as well. So on the network side,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: it's inevitable that prices will rise.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Now, as you know, I take a deep interest in
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: these issues, and everything you say makes sense, not only
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: makes sense, but it's stacked up by the verifiable facts we.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Are seeing around us.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Shouldn't our politicians, especially the government leading this transition, ou'd
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: just be more open and up front about it and say, yeah,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a claner system. Let's hope it's reliable,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: but it certainly will be more expensive.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's very difficult. These three limbs of affordability,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: reliability and sustainability appeal to different parts of the population,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: of course, but the one that is dominating people's thoughts
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: at the moment is affordability, and then reliability is a
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: real piece that a EMOS picked up recently in saying
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: that Arahing can't come out of the system. That sustainability
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: part has been dominating a lot of state government policy
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: for the last five years and is coming off. And
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: what we're now seeing is policies, particularly in Queensland for example,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that have weighed more heavily towards the fault towards affordability
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and reliability. But you know, more generally, it's just balancing
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: those interests across the population.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Matt Readie, thanks so much for talking to us.
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: Thanks so much, Chris.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: It's also straightforward isn't it. All you need to do
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is listen to the experts, look at the facts around
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you and use your common sense. Yeah, the ABC and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: our federal labor government and the Greens and the TILL
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: are all in denial. They're all in the fantasy land
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: pretending this is all going swimmingly and it's going to
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: give us cheaper power.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. We've got to take a break.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: After the break, I want to get into this issue
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: of anti semitism, Miguel, and again it's still rampant. Two
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: years on from October the seventh, Let's catch up with
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Alex Rivchin and find out what it means for all
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: of us. Let's get back to this report on anti Semitism.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It shows that anti Semitic incidents remain at elevated levels
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: in this country.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: The Executive Council.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Of Australian Jury says there were one thousand, six hundred
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: and fifty four anti Jewish incidents in the year to
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: September the thirtieth, including verbal abuse and harassment, assault, graffiti
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and vandalism, with Victoria recording the highest number of incidents,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: followed by New South Wales. Let's bring in Alex Rivken,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: co CEO of the Executive Council of Australian Jury. Good
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to talk to you again, Alex, but terrible we'll be
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: talking about this scourge again. We saw any Semitism rise
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: to unprecedented levels last year and it's hardly really dropped
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: off this year at all.
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, Chris, it's basically stayed there. We're now
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: in the second year after October sec after October seventh,
• 28:25
  Speaker 14: and the second year of having anti Semitism at levels
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: about five times what we were used to. It was
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: already rising quart of October seven. We were documenting ris
• 28:34
  Speaker 14: in neo Nazi activity, which has become more prevalent in
• 28:36
  Speaker 14: recent weeks, of course, so the warning signs were already there.
• 28:40
  Speaker 14: But what happened after October seven is on a scale
• 28:42
  Speaker 14: that this country has never experienced before. And for those
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: who wish to believe that it's all past, it's all
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: you know in the rearview mirror that they ad Semitism
• 28:50
  Speaker 14: crisis over, this report tells a very different story, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 14: it's merely a snapshot. We know anecdotally that a lot
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: of people don't report incidents. They're too fearful, they think
• 28:59
  Speaker 14: they won't be takeing and seriously they feel shame. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 14: so what this really presents is the tip of the iceberg.
• 29:04
  Speaker 14: It's a sample of incidents, but it tells a very
• 29:07
  Speaker 14: horrific story. We know about the more dramatic incidents of
• 29:13
  Speaker 14: ars and attacks and burning of synagogues and targeting of
• 29:15
  Speaker 14: individuals and so forth, but every one of those incidents
• 29:18
  Speaker 14: had a victim, had to target, and whether it's a
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: family walking down on the street and having people shout
• 29:23
  Speaker 14: the most vile abuse at them, or school kids who
• 29:26
  Speaker 14: are spotted with a Jewish uniform or a Star of
• 29:28
  Speaker 14: David and a bullied or harassed or threatened or again
• 29:33
  Speaker 14: vilified in the most horrific public ways. This all goes
• 29:36
  Speaker 14: to people's sense of acceptance and being a part of
• 29:39
  Speaker 14: the society, and it affects their psyche and their mental
• 29:42
  Speaker 14: health and so forth. So this is really serious and
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: it's obviously been going on for two years now with
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: no end insight.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And for people to understand this if they're living in
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: parts of the country outside of Melbourne and Sydney really
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: where there are not any large Jewish communities, this means
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: that when you go past a Jewish school or you
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: go past a Jewish community group, or you go past
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a synagogue, there are armed guards outside, invariably armed guards
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to protect kids at school and congregations worshiping at synagogues.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: But you mentioned there, Alex.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Also this neo Nazi incident we saw in Sydney recently.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: This is deeply.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Worrying too, because over the past two years we've seen
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of the anti Semitism led by Islamist groups,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: by hate preachers in the Muslim communities.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: We have to be frank about that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: But here we've seen this sort of metastasizing of going
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: back to the sort of white supremacy, anti Jewish, neo
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Nazis showing their face and vowing to not go away.
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and look, these groups that have been there for
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: a long time, and we've been reporting on it since,
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: particularly since twenty eleven. The wives of organized ne Nazi
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: groups replicating what's happening in Europe and North America. But
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: they understand that they have no mainstream support in society.
• 30:59
  Speaker 14: But when they see people like Jennie Leong in the
• 31:02
  Speaker 14: Greens talking about Jewish tentacles seeking to control all aspects
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: of society, When they hear people like Bob Carr talking
• 31:09
  Speaker 14: about this insidious, malign Jewish lobby. Something they sense there's
• 31:13
  Speaker 14: an opportunity, there's an appetite for their variety of hatred
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: and conspiracy theories. And so you know the fact that
• 31:20
  Speaker 14: it may have begun on the far left or radical
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: Islamic groups, it's been persistent for two years, it's become normalized,
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: it's entered the mainstream. And now in addition to the
• 31:30
  Speaker 14: reigning regime, an organized crime and the far left, anarchist groups,
• 31:34
  Speaker 14: religious extremists, they have Nero Nazis. So it creates a
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: very dangerous and bold time environment and as I said,
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: with no end insight.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: To it, and just briefly, we're nearly out of time,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Alex but I mentioned that I've heard from Jewish Australians directly,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: some I know, others are strangers who have introduced themselves
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and said that they've been looking at whether it's safe.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: For them to move to the US or indeed to Israel.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Some have moved.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I know, still getting that sort of sentiment from some
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: in the Jewish community, people who by the way, love Australia,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: at our Australians.
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: Yeah, look, I mean it's something that the Jewish people
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: carried with them in their bones. Really, it comes from
• 32:14
  Speaker 14: our history of knowing how quickly things can change in
• 32:16
  Speaker 14: a society and the need to pick up and leave
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: and start a different life somewhere else. The Jewish community
• 32:22
  Speaker 14: doesn't want to do that, and overwhelmingly they won't do
• 32:24
  Speaker 14: that because they're Australian. They contribute to this country. They
• 32:27
  Speaker 14: deeply love this country. But at the same time, they've
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: seen something occur here which is terrifying and they understand that.
• 32:34
  Speaker 14: You know, they may need to look at other options
• 32:36
  Speaker 14: down the track, but at the same time, we're determined
• 32:39
  Speaker 14: to fight for a better Australia because what happens in
• 32:42
  Speaker 14: this country to the Jewish community is an attack foremost
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: on us, but it's an attack on the values of
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: this country. When people think fit to attack school children
• 32:53
  Speaker 14: on the streets, to burn synagogues, to exclude people because
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: of their perceived views on a foreign conflict, that changes
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: the funtment character of this country. And we're determined to
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: stand here, to remain and fight for this place.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Spot On.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Alex Rifchin, thanks so much for joining us spot On.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: It is a fight for this country, for the values
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: and character of this country and we're all in.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: It still to come. Let's get back to the economy.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: This rampant government spending is not doing the trick because
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: households and individuals are stuck in a cost of living crisis.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: The Shadow Treasurer Ted O'Brien will join me now, let's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: talk about the economy. Treasurer Jim Chalmers, well, he reckons
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: he's doing a great job. Even though the latest figures
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: show very sluggish economic growth. He's tried to shift focus
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: away from Labour's rampant spending and claim that the private
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: side of the economy is actually going well.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Have a listen.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: This is a very positive, very promising set of numbers
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: and the main reason for that is because private investment
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: has come back really strongly over the course of this year.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: And it's private investment, whether it's new business investment, whether
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: it's investment in homes. These are the things which are
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: really driving growth now and that's really encouraging.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Well, we all know he's talking bungum. As I put
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to Shadow treasure of Ted O'Brien.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: It's government spending that's propping up the economy. Chris.
• 34:22
  Speaker 12: That's right. When you have government spending growing at a
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: faster rate than the economy, you have a big problem.
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: And that's exactly what's been going on. And so the
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: government just continues to pour money into the economy, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: when it does, it competes with households and businesses for
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: goods and services, which just drives prices up further, which
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: is why inflation now is at three point eight percent
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: and the Reserve Bank really has no choice but to
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: keep rates on hold or possibly, as some market commentators
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: are saying, next year, we might see a rate increase.
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: Apart from reducing its own spending making way for the
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: private economy, what could the government do to try and
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: get some more life to encourage private sector development, growth jobs.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Chris, I think it can do a few things.
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: Number One, it can look at reducing regulations. It did
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: introduce five thousand pieces of new regulation its first term
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: of government and it's continuing in this term. Number Two,
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: it has to solve for energy. We do know energy
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: costs have gone up by forty percent, record levels of insolvencies.
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: Manufacturers are closing their doors or being offshot, or taxpayers
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: are having to subsidize their existence. They've got to look
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: at tax they've got to look at workplace relations. There's
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: a whole range of economic areas that they can fix,
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: all of which will encourage investment, will make it Australia
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: more competitive, will allow the small business owners and allow
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: that the larger companies to get out there and invest
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: and employ. This is the sort of economy we should have,
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: but that requires the government to get out of the way.
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: And Labour's approach is to put the government at the center.
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: And that is why we have seen this big government
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: spending agenda.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And it only continues. Where does immigration fit into this picture?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Because we've got sluggage growth obviously, and a large part
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: of that growth is actually funded by this massive government spending.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Is immigration also propping up that growth?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: And if you were to cut back immigration, would there
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: be an economic penalty?
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: I believe that indeed immigration has been propping up the
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: economic growth.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's much doubt about that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: The Labor government has basically shifted the economy into the
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: slow lane and then it's gotten over a two year
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: period a million people into Australia to push the car
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: to go a little bit faster. That's sort of the
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: way they're running. There's no doubt that the immigration levels
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: have been too high and they need to come down.
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: But I think this government is just addicted to find
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: any ways to try to boost the economic growth or
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: tax tax payers instead of getting back to the basics
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: and the basics to get the settings right that encourage
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: the private sector, that encourage businesses to invest, to employ
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: and whatnot. Of course, skilled immigration particular remains vitally important,
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: but that's a different thing from just saying we just
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: need more and more people to come in to cover
• 37:36
  Speaker 12: the fact that the economy otherwise isn't growing. That's what
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: labour's doing well.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: If immigration helps to grow the GDP overall, of course,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: it doesn't help when it comes to GDP per capita.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And while we've.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Had a lot of quarters with GDP per capita going backwards,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: a per capital or a household recession, these latest figures
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: have that flat GDP per capital flat. That just underscores
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: that families, households, the cost of living, people are still
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: doing it tough.
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: They're still doing it tough, all right, and with Christmas
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: just around the corner. I've certainly met even constituents of
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: mine who are just that they're working out do they
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: buy those additional presents they were hoping too for the kids.
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: I've met a family which to totally canceled their Christmas
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: holiday because they just can't afford it. I spoke to
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: a parent today who's having to move their children to
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: a different school again just because they can't make it work.
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: And so real lives are being affected because the cost
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: of living is just not being tackled because again labor
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: is not taking the steps necessary across those key levers. Instead,
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: its only solution is to tax Australians more and then
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: to give them some back through some sort of subsidy.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: That's their business model. Now you mentioned energy, and I
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: agree with you. Energy is a huge factor. Energy prices
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: are hurting families, hurting small businesses, pushing up the cost
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: of everything. They're demanding subsidies from government to keep refineries
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: and smelters going and the like.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: So it's a massive handbrake on the economy.
• 39:13
  Speaker 13: And I just want to.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Get your thoughts on what we saw from the ABC.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Just forty eight hours ago, the seven point thirty host
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Sarah Ferguson put up a fact check. She was fact
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: checking Susan Lee, effectively fact checking the Coalition and saying
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: that it is wrong to say that the push to
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: renewables is increasing in electricity prices. The ABC said, yes,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: prices are going up, but they're not being increased by
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the push to renewables.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Your response to that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: Chris, while I didn't see that post Labour's renewables only
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: plan is driving up the cost of energy. People know
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: that they experience it because they get their bill at home.
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: And what usually I find the Labor Party never talk
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: about is the cost of the network charges. So the
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: more you put a large industrial scale renewable projects scattered
• 40:12
  Speaker 12: around the country, you have to build out transmission lines.
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: Now those network charges which hit your bill at home.
• 40:20
  Speaker 12: That's over fifty percent of your bill now, and that
• 40:23
  Speaker 12: is only going to increase. The more you rely, well
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: over ninety percent on renewables for your energy solution. Well,
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: the more of these things you have to build and
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: that all hits your bill at home. I mean, you
• 40:34
  Speaker 12: know companies that build these things, they're not charities.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: They don't do it for free. They expect a return.
• 40:38
  Speaker 12: Indeed, it's a regulated rate of return exactly. No way
• 40:43
  Speaker 12: that prices are going to go backwards.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: When we talk about this, a lot and I've spoken
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to an expert again about it tonight, an independent expert.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: But how do you deal with having a sensible national
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: debate on this crucial policy issue when you've got a
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: billion dollar taxpayer funded broadcasting baym Off pumping out information
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that is absolutely categorically the opposite from reality.
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: Well, Chris, I think the thing that we've had to
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: do and we'll just continue doing, is going back to
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: the facts. Making international comparisons I find very insightful. Australians
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: know that something is wrong. Even if Australians don't follow
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: the energy market, that's fair enough. At the end of
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: the day, they know it's broken because they are paying
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: for something that is broken. But when you look across
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: the rest of the world, that's not the case everywhere. Indeed,
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: those countries that have a balanced energy mix, that aren't
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: sort of prematurely closing those coal plants, that are building
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: out renewables in a sensible way, that try to pour
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: more gas into the market, and they have nuclear energy,
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: they have affordable energy, and that's what Australia needs. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: we've just got to keep pressing it and not let go.
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: And anyone who's out there saying otherwise, well, we've just
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: got to call that out and continue to prosecute the case.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Ted, I appreciate it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Thanks Chris, there you go.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Wonder if the ABC will correct that little howler.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: We got to take a break again.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: On the other side, the Wednesday wrangle with Denika the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Georgio and Justin Smith, Team Trump is having a punch
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: up with another pop star.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the Wednesday wrangle with Denika the.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Georgio who hosts here on Sky News at five o'clock
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night. Yeah, not tomorrow night, Friday night after I'll
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: be here tomorrow night.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: And Justin Smith, Columbus broadcaster author joining us from Melbourne. Guys,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: let's start off.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I'm a good old faithful of politicians living it up
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: big on our tax dollars. I had to go out
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: this in September. Penny Wong was in New York, Anthony
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Albanezi was in New York. I'm pretty certain Chris Bowen
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: was in New York too, and Anika Wells was there too,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: to push this bloody social media band for teenagers or whatever.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Was this worth one.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Hundred thousand dollars plus of taxpayers dollars just for the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Communications Minister to be there.
• 43:10
  Speaker 9: While it's expensive business, but I mean we have voted
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: them in.
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: They are currently the government.
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: We expect our government to be the representatives around the world.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: But that I don't I'm not disagreeing with you. That
• 43:25
  Speaker 9: figure is just a shock and maybe they need to
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: start having a look at that little pin saying well, listen,
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: do we need to take three people over there? Do
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: we need to go over at all? Is it something
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: that we consume? But look, they are represented. If the
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: other side of politics do exactly the same thing, your
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: old boss would have jet said.
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: It around a fair bit as well.
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: And it's been a bit of Australian cash too, but
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: that's his job.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: That was his job, mate. I worked for the Foreign Minister.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I was chief of staff for the Foreign Minister.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I went to New York and the United Nations General
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Assembly a number of times that I can tell you.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: We never did it when there was another minister there.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: And I know one year, for instance, John how the
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister was going to be there, so the Foreign
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Minister doesn't go.
• 44:04
  Speaker 8: This mob had four ministers there and the Communications Minister
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: of all people, What the hell?
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: Why on earth does she have to be there? And
• 44:11
  Speaker 15: what irks me the most out of all of this, Chris,
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: was that she swaanned off to New York at a
• 44:16
  Speaker 15: time when Octas was in an absolute crisis, when their
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: blackout led to the debts of three people, and she
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: thought it was a good idea to get on a
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: plane and spend one hundred thousand dollars of our money
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: and don't forget as this crisis was breaking. Her excuse
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: at the time was I'm a new minister. I'm new,
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: so well, Anika, if you knew, let's give you some
• 44:36
  Speaker 15: pr basics one oh one. Probably not a good idea
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: to be jet setting around the world billing the taxpayer
• 44:42
  Speaker 15: one hundred thousand dollars when there's a crisis at home.
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: She didn't need to be there.
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: Apparently she hosted some event to spruit the digital social media.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Policy that's yet to be implemented.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Apparently the event costs seventy grand apparently all our money,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: of course, a lot of the camera press or just
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: that this sort of stuff slide through for labor politicians,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: but our own Reuben Spargo actually confronted the minister about it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Today.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: You don't think that was expensive for airfares over ninety
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: four thousand dollars.
• 45:14
  Speaker 13: I've answered your question.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that the best part of it, that
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: answer we showed earlier, is she said that the other
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: people who went with her, who.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Were in the room, they said it was worthwhile too.
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: Everybody who went loved it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I thought I showed more of it earlier.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Justin he said it was worth She said it was
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: worthwhile and as I meant, and the other people who
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: went with her, who were in the room, they say it.
• 45:37
  Speaker 13: Was worth while too.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to show more of this because the
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: last story in the Australian newspaper today focuses on Creative
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Australia used to be the Australia Council, Arts funding and
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: all of that stuff, and it shows that in the
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: last two years they have spent six hundred thousand dollars
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: on overseas travel.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: And the bloke who heads up the organization, justin I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this, he says.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Don't blame me, I've only been to two overseas conferences
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: No, I don't. I don't like it. I feel it something.
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: But you will notice this though you said the Cambra
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: Press Gallery won't necessarily go after the Minister on this.
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: The other side of politics don't go after them either,
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: and they won't be going after this council because when
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: you start you know this very well, when you start
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: opening the books on both sides, they have both wasted
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: money on travel and there has been for years a
• 46:34
  Speaker 9: protection racket going on in Parliament and in politics here
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: where they look after each other. Look, don't talk about
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: travel because we're all going to get away with it. It's
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: a junket for all of them. It's a junket for one,
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: it's a junket for all.
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but I think the cost, it depends on the cost.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: It's the cost and whether it's necessary or not.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: You don't finally having to go at albow the cost
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: of these troops.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister's got to do this stuff and it
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: costs a bit. Let's move on. We'll come back to
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: this sort of stuff.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: As more examples of outrageous spending come our way. But
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: let's talk about the renewables push and this revelation today
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph has.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Dug deep into this.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: You have there's seventy three billion dollar government scheme to
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: try and push renewables. The biggest recipient of this taxpayer's money,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Denika is the Chinese government, the various Chinese companies. They're
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: all owned by the Communist government. So we are paying
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Chinese companies to destroy our electricity grid and make us
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: more reliant on China.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a few points on this.
• 47:28
  Speaker 15: Firstly, does Chris Bowlen know that China is actually the
• 47:30
  Speaker 15: biggest emitter.
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: Of cop in the world?
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Does he know that?
• 47:33
  Speaker 15: I mean, the fact that they're investing in our renewables
• 47:35
  Speaker 15: just speaks volumes. But you know, here we go again, Chris,
• 47:39
  Speaker 15: Now us as taxpayers, I mean, the renewables only experiments
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: already sending us broken backwards. But now US taxpayers are
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: forking out money to the Chinese Communist Party to help
• 47:49
  Speaker 15: pay for this experiment of transmission line, solar, wind, green hydrogen.
• 47:55
  Speaker 15: We're being sold out to the Communist regime. And yet
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: Bowen keeps telling us that investment in renewable is prosperous.
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: I mean, how many projects have gone bust in recent months.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Most of most of them are over budget. Just the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: thing is here, where's the energy security? Because it still
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: seems we're completely.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Reliant on China. For all the investment and the kit.
• 48:17
  Speaker 9: Look, I'm no expert on the energy security here, but
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: I will say this though, there's a lot of selective
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: carry on when it comes to China. Now that's fine,
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: You've got every right for both of you to say
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: what you said, but go go back to your homes
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: and turn over everything and see where it was made,
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: and you will find most of it was made in China. Now,
• 48:37
  Speaker 9: if you're faired income that you don't want to give
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: money to a communist government, stop buying this kind of
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: stuff that was made in China. I mean, it just
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: seems to be selective outrage where people will point at
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: something and they the Chinese. The Chinese are behind it
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: a lot of stuff.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I got to move on from this wrangling, Denika. I
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: know you'll go home and unplug your great wall electric vehicle,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: but I got to squeeze in this latest controversy out
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: of the White House, because Danika.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: You're the expert on this.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Here's a little clip that the White House put out
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: on immigration issues.
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: This one trade, this one trade, this one.
• 49:19
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Now the music for that clip comes from, as Danika
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: would know, Sabrina Carpenter. She put out this twist, saying
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: this is evil and disgusting. Don't ever use my music
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: to benefit your inhumane agenda.
• 49:32
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well when she sings, have you ever tried this one? Chris?
• 49:35
  Speaker 15: It's about, you know, freaky positions is what's in her song.
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: I like Sabrina Carpenter.
• 49:41
  Speaker 13: I think she's great. Sorry, transfer the show, I'll have to.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I'll forget the White House video and I'll check you
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: out the original.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks Denika and Justin, we'll see you next week. I'll
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night. And here's Peter Creblin