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INTERVIEW: Tamika D. Mallory On Finding Her Voice, Boycotting Companies Rolling Back DEI, New Book + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up early in the morning. The breakfast
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  Speaker 1: Club Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's dej Envy, Jess, hilarious, Charlamage the guy we are
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  Speaker 2: the breakfast Club Lo La Rosa feeling and for Jess,
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  Speaker 2: and we got.
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  Speaker 1: A special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, my new
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  Speaker 1: book is out right now.
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  Speaker 2: I Live to Tell a Story, A memoir of love,
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  Speaker 2: legacy and resilience. Ladies and gentlemen to me a Mallory,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to me on family.
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  Speaker 3: How are you feeling.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to see y'all. I'm good. I'm feeling excited.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, another book today today came out to day.
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  Speaker 4: I Live to day story a memoir.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and thank you, my brother, thank you. Because you know,
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  Speaker 5: Charlemagne and I as a family made some decisions about
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  Speaker 5: my book deal. I called him to say, hey, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, am I supposed to it was during the summer.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. Okay, it was twenty twenty right, because
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  Speaker 5: the book was released in twenty twenty one, So you know,
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  Speaker 5: I called him to be like, hey, they're offering me
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  Speaker 5: a lot of money, but there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: offering me different deals.
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  Speaker 1: What should I do?
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  Speaker 5: So he's like, well, you know, I have a new imprint,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, if you want to be my first book,
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  Speaker 5: I'm down to do a deal with you. And I
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  Speaker 5: was like, Oh, I didn't even need to hear the
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  Speaker 5: rest of it. I just said yes, and I'm excited.
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad that I did. I had a lot of
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  Speaker 5: creative control here. I would text you and say they're
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  Speaker 5: not listening to me. Tell them something, you know, But
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  Speaker 5: it worked out. The whole team has put a lot
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  Speaker 5: of love and energy in these both books. But this
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  Speaker 5: one right here is real special to me.
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  Speaker 4: What's the difference in mindset when it comes to a memoir?
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  Speaker 4: Because I live to tell a story as a memoir.
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  Speaker 4: State of Emergency wasn't a memoir. What's the difference between
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  Speaker 4: the two.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: State of Emergency was more so my theory of change
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  Speaker 5: for America. It was really a prescription for what I
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  Speaker 5: think we need to do as a country, and especially
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  Speaker 5: how people can be not just allies of ours, but
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  Speaker 5: really accomplices like throw down with us, get yourself in
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  Speaker 5: trouble if you really stand with black people. But this
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  Speaker 5: book is a prescription for me and hopefully what comes
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  Speaker 5: out of it is that somebody else will read the
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  Speaker 5: book and say, wow, I have I've had some of
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  Speaker 5: the same challenges, or I was thinking of going down
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  Speaker 5: the same path, but I see something different that I
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  Speaker 5: can do. And I know there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: out here, especially young girls, who need somebody to tell
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  Speaker 5: them that their mistakes are not the end of life,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because everybody's going to tell you, Oh, you're
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  Speaker 5: too fast, you're too loud, you talk too much. That's
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  Speaker 5: what that's the black girl experience. I'm sure you know
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  Speaker 5: we talk all the time, but you know, but I
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  Speaker 5: think what you now see is that people pay me
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  Speaker 5: to talk. Right, So I went from being told that
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  Speaker 5: I needed to be quiet to people saying, hey, speak up,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and speak up for me. So I'm hoping
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  Speaker 5: that it translates in that way. And in fact, a
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  Speaker 5: lot of people got pre copies, and you know all
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  Speaker 5: the things that happens in the publishing world, and I've
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  Speaker 5: already been hearing from people and I'm on my third
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  Speaker 5: tour date pre release.
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  Speaker 1: Well now I'll release.
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  Speaker 5: But the folks who are meeting me and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you touched me in so many ways just because you
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  Speaker 5: were honest about things we try to hide.
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  Speaker 1: That has been really powerful.
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  Speaker 6: What was the decision to do because the front of
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  Speaker 6: the book there's a braids on one side. In the
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  Speaker 6: back of the book is the blone thirty inch bus
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  Speaker 6: down exactly?
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  Speaker 1: What was that decision?
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, so I came up with that. My mother
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  Speaker 5: kept saying, your first book was really good and I
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  Speaker 5: loved it, but your picture needs to be on it.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, mom, my memoir is going to
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  Speaker 5: have a picture. And I was tossing and turning with
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  Speaker 5: how to represent myself properly? What the corn rolls people
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  Speaker 5: know me for? Especially if you met me after George
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  Speaker 5: Floyd passed away because of or was killed because of
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  Speaker 5: the viral speech in Minneapolis, you probably met the corn
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  Speaker 5: roll because that was all we had, and especially during
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  Speaker 5: the pandemic, I could only get some corn rolls from
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  Speaker 5: my homegirl who does my.
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  Speaker 1: Hair, who was braiding, but we.
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  Speaker 5: Weren't like weaving and doing all of that, spending eight
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  Speaker 5: hours in the salon. So I was out in the
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  Speaker 5: summertime in Kentucky. It was hot, everything was closed down.
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  Speaker 5: The corn rolls worked, and a lot of people met
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  Speaker 5: me that way, and that's me. I'm on the ground.
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  Speaker 5: I love my corn rolls. You see, I've decided to
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  Speaker 5: keep this look even during this release. But that's just
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  Speaker 5: that's not I'm not one dimensional, right, My bus down
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  Speaker 5: is another part of my life. I like to be
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  Speaker 5: a girly girl, and so I've struggled with how to
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  Speaker 5: do both things. Could I put two pictures, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: have been too much. And then I just came up
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  Speaker 5: with this idea that I wanted to half do and
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  Speaker 5: everybody thought I was absolutely crazy until they designed it
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  Speaker 5: and came back and said, you know what, this might
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  Speaker 5: actually work. And the other thing that people don't really see,
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  Speaker 5: and well, you know, I pointed out all the time
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  Speaker 5: is that the housing projects I was born and raised
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  Speaker 5: in is in the background of the book, so you
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  Speaker 5: can see the buildings literally where I grew up. And
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  Speaker 5: it's it's really this cover is more than just a cover.
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  Speaker 5: It's like telling you a story about what's in the
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  Speaker 5: book and what's in my life.
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  Speaker 3: Is that where you found your voice?
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  Speaker 5: Brothers, absolutely, because you know in the book there's a
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  Speaker 5: part where it talks about me running around the house
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  Speaker 5: as a little kid, saying power to the people, power
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  Speaker 5: to the people, and everybody in my house is like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: we get it, power to the people, but we tied
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  Speaker 5: go to sleep. My parents have always been super duper black.
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  Speaker 5: They wear Dashiki sweatsuits. You know, they like that black
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  Speaker 5: Koofi's black. And you know, they always took me to
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  Speaker 5: places and spaces where I was empowered, even as a
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  Speaker 5: young kid. You know, you take your kids places and
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  Speaker 5: don't think they're paying attention. But it was getting in
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  Speaker 5: me from young so it translated into you know, where
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  Speaker 5: I am today, and it's been all throughout my life.
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  Speaker 1: What I have learned is when and where to speak.
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  Speaker 5: I've learned to be more mindful and careful about what
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  Speaker 5: I say, you know, and where I say it. But
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  Speaker 5: when I was young, I just was like i'mna say
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  Speaker 5: anything because y'all said power to the people.
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  Speaker 1: So hey, it's like you gotta go there sing woo.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good point because I like, you know, they
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  Speaker 4: always say the opposite of courage is not cowardice is conformity.
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  Speaker 3: So you think that's conforming.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't think I was conforming, I think, or
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  Speaker 5: now I don't think I'm conforming. But I'm just wiser,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and I also have learned to protect my peace,
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  Speaker 5: so I don't want to get in every fight.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to argue all the time. I used
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  Speaker 1: to do that.
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  Speaker 5: I used to spend my whole day going back and
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  Speaker 5: forth with people. And then I realized that I was
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily being as effective in my own life because
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  Speaker 5: my time was spent debating with people who that's what
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  Speaker 5: they do, you know what I mean, that's all they do.
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  Speaker 5: I got all these other things. I run businesses, I
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  Speaker 5: run an organization, I have all this stuff going on,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm sitting up here just in every argument all
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  Speaker 5: the time. So I just decided to make my voice
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  Speaker 5: mean more by using it at the appropriate time. So
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't say it's conformity, but it certainly is wisdom.
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  Speaker 6: Do you remember what point in your life that was
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  Speaker 6: when you decided to do that, because you have a
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  Speaker 6: lot of battles.
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  Speaker 5: What was that when well, stop arguing with him all
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  Speaker 5: the time? That's where it first started. I just got Look,
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  Speaker 5: I just stopped because between him and Bruh, we can
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  Speaker 5: stay on a text threat for three days fighting about
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  Speaker 5: the same thing. So I just learned how to just
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  Speaker 5: be like, you know what, I'm gonna be quiet. I
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  Speaker 5: know exactly what he does. But we do have meaningful conversation.
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  Speaker 5: I can say that even I'm sure we both will
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  Speaker 5: agree that even when we don't agree, we still come
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  Speaker 5: out wiser, like we know a little bit more about
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  Speaker 5: the topic and see different perspectives, which is important. But
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  Speaker 5: I think that when I really learned how to be
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  Speaker 5: more effective and using my voice was during the Women's March, right,
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  Speaker 5: like you know, that was a real, real hard time,
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  Speaker 5: and I once I started going through the controversy and
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  Speaker 5: all the attacks and people coming at me for anything
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  Speaker 5: they could think of, I found myself getting you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was drained trying to explain and it's like, why
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  Speaker 5: do you you just stop?
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  Speaker 1: Just stop.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, some of the sisters around me called me
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  Speaker 5: one day and said, it's not working. Like what you're doing.
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  Speaker 5: You on Twitter, you on Instagram, You're trying to explain.
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  Speaker 5: It's not working. It's not coming across. And it hurt
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  Speaker 5: my feelings because I'm like, but y'all know, y'all know
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  Speaker 5: what they're doing to me. But then it will I
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  Speaker 5: kind of opened my eyes to what they were saying
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  Speaker 5: that I was only making the situation worse.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't getting better.
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  Speaker 6: So you feel like you wroke. You became stronger in
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  Speaker 6: your messaging after you realize that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, I know, I became stronger as
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  Speaker 5: a person, right that, which you know is what I
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  Speaker 5: don't think. My message wasn't strong, but it was overkill,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, because you again, you cannot
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  Speaker 5: force people to understand what they're not trying, even if
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  Speaker 5: they already know. Many people already know what you're saying,
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  Speaker 5: and they have decided that they're just not going to
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  Speaker 5: agree with you. So I think it made me stronger
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  Speaker 5: as a person that now when I speak on something,
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  Speaker 5: I absolutely feel convicted. And therefore, whatever I gotta do,
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  Speaker 5: whatever war, I'm in. Hey, to hell with it, we
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  Speaker 5: in it, I do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask good that was going to ask why
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  Speaker 2: the memoir now? Right? Some people will say it's still
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  Speaker 2: too early for a memoir. Some people will say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a memoir is a period piece of time in your life,
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  Speaker 2: so why now?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, I'm at the hopefully like a
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  Speaker 5: little less than halfway point right about fifty. You think
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  Speaker 5: you're kind of at the halfway point of life. I'm
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  Speaker 5: forty four. Obviously, other people.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I work at this every day.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, people saw that in me that there was a story.
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  Speaker 5: And when I first when I first sat and wrote
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  Speaker 5: a outline and outline of what would be in the book,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't believe on page one that.
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  Speaker 1: There was a story. I was like, this is whatever.
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  Speaker 5: But by the time we finished the outline and went
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  Speaker 5: over it together, I said, oh my God, like this
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  Speaker 5: is a real powerful story. And I'm at the point
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  Speaker 5: in my life where I can actually walk with this
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  Speaker 5: book and tell the story for myself versus being elderly,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and kind of unable to even remember some
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  Speaker 5: of the things that happened, you know. But obviously a
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  Speaker 5: big part of this book is that I ended up
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  Speaker 5: going to rehab for the pill addiction, which we've talked
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  Speaker 5: about on this show before, and I think that that
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  Speaker 5: marks a really important time that kind of like bookends
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  Speaker 5: the story, you know, from me starting as a little girl.
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  Speaker 5: I tell you all about that because who knew coming
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  Speaker 5: from the projects in Harlem that I was going to
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  Speaker 5: end up on stages in front of millions of people
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  Speaker 5: and that folks would be listening to me as a
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  Speaker 5: leader no one ever instilled that. I mean, my parents
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  Speaker 5: may have told me that, but the world didn't say
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  Speaker 5: little black girl from the Projects can become this. It
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  Speaker 5: just you know, it wasn't a thing. So that's the
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  Speaker 5: first part. But then there's like there's challenges. There's challenges
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  Speaker 5: that come with influence and what some people consider to
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  Speaker 5: be celebrity, even though I don't really use that and
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  Speaker 5: reference to myself, but some people feel that way. There's
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  Speaker 5: challenges that come with all of that and ending up
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  Speaker 5: in that place, that dark place of being in rehab.
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  Speaker 5: It's something that I knew I had to tell and
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  Speaker 5: I don't want it to be like mixed into an
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  Speaker 5: early story. I really wanted it to be like you
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  Speaker 5: and me, we on this journey together right now. When
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  Speaker 5: I said it here on the Breakfast Club in the
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  Speaker 5: Old Space, people started reaching out to me. That you know,
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  Speaker 5: because you're in the world, so you understand. But there
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  Speaker 5: are a lot of people that you would think, whoa, hey,
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people did what I did. Because when
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  Speaker 5: I first contacted Jason Williams, the NBA All Star, you
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  Speaker 5: know he is in the healing space after all the
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  Speaker 5: things we know he went through. My first contact in him.
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  Speaker 5: I was kind of like, Hey, my friend is going
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  Speaker 5: through something, what can you tell me. He let me
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  Speaker 5: do that for two times, two three calls. By the
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  Speaker 5: third call, he was like, Sis, I already know what
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  Speaker 5: it is. It's all good, Like you need to get
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  Speaker 5: shipped together, basically. And I started getting those calls and
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  Speaker 5: some people who were real honest, and I said, Oh,
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  Speaker 5: hold up, this is serious, because these it's not. It
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  Speaker 5: wasn't people who look cracked out on the street. This
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  Speaker 5: was folks who have big jobs, they sitting in big positions,
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  Speaker 5: and they were like, I am so proud of you
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  Speaker 5: that you were brave to speak about it. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: I know somebody who might be also dealing. Pilliction is real,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Pill addiction is real because
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  Speaker 5: it's silent. You don't smell it like alcohol. You don't
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  Speaker 5: see people looking like they're high, but they're taking pills
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  Speaker 5: to numb themselves, all different types of things. And when
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  Speaker 5: I started to see how many people have the same experience,
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  Speaker 5: I knew it was time for me to release this story.
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  Speaker 4: You know, another part of the book that I love
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  Speaker 4: is when you talk about you know what happened with
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  Speaker 4: the Women's March, and you know, not just what happened
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  Speaker 4: with you. I wonder if people are going to read that,
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  Speaker 4: especially women that were involved, and say, man, she wasn't
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  Speaker 4: just ringing the alarm for herself, she was bringing their
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  Speaker 4: along for how they're trying to break us up. That
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  Speaker 4: was such an amazing movement that way. So I feel
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  Speaker 4: like they broke up rather fast. Was that a hard chapter?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Well, the Women's March part is really difficult for me
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  Speaker 5: even to talk about, just because first of all, it
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  Speaker 5: still exists, and there are people there who were a
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  Speaker 5: part of breaking up.
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  Speaker 1: The Women's March.
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  Speaker 5: So I try not to call their names because I'm
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  Speaker 5: trying to do better in life.
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  Speaker 1: It took me.
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  Speaker 5: I was as a whole way here. I kept saying,
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  Speaker 5: don't be calling people's names, and so, yeah, it's hard
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  Speaker 5: to write about that. Our experience there is something that, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: it was amazing, incredible. I'm glad I did it, even
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  Speaker 5: knowing what I know, I would do it again because
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  Speaker 5: we made history that can't be taken away from us.
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  Speaker 3: Are duplicated, and it.
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  Speaker 1: Is it does.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they actually just had something that was you
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  Speaker 5: know good, you know, I'm glad that they're continuing our
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  Speaker 5: work because we certainly were the trailblazers.
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  Speaker 1: We started it.
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  Speaker 5: We the list that is, you know that that they used,
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  Speaker 5: the social media, all of that we created.
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  Speaker 1: That those are people who started.
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  Speaker 5: Following us, and and and and it's not about just
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  Speaker 5: replacing individuals. It's also, in my judgment about the people
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  Speaker 5: who were there were ordained, if you will, to be there,
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  Speaker 5: right like it was the place that God put us
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  Speaker 5: and it was for a reason. And so there's a
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  Speaker 5: history that exists that at times it can be painful
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  Speaker 5: to have to relive and then also to kind of
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  Speaker 5: see people act like they were the first ones at
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  Speaker 5: the gate, you know what I mean. And so but
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  Speaker 5: at the same time, I will say that I know
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  Speaker 5: there are some incredible women that are in the Women's
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  Speaker 5: March today, black women who've taken over the space, and
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  Speaker 5: they're making sure that the Women's March continues to be
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  Speaker 5: welcoming to black women. And so, you know, I'm happy
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  Speaker 5: to see that word continue.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to ask, you know, how do you
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  Speaker 2: deal with everything that you're going through?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: We see you on the front lines a lot of times,
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  Speaker 2: we see you online, we see you on TV. But
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  Speaker 2: you have to be going through a lot because not
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  Speaker 2: everybody that's with you is supporting you, right, There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that's going against you, and you have
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  Speaker 2: to deal with that as well. Where you're really trying
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  Speaker 2: to do something, not for financial grain financial gains. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of times it puts you in danger, but you
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  Speaker 2: still do it. But there's a lot of people that
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  Speaker 2: still attack you. How do you deal with that?
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  Speaker 5: So I don't mind any you know, I've been in
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: this for thirty years, envy like, that's how long. That's
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: how long I've been in this work for thirty years.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: I started before my son was born and he's about
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: to be twenty six, so that's a long time. So
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: I'm used to attacks, right, And I'm definitely used to
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: the attacks that come from what is considered to be
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: the other side. What is often very very frustrating. It's
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: people who are supposed to be in the movement together,
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: we're all supposed to be trying to work towards the
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: same goal, who you just see and hear with the
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: sly attacks and the sly comments and things that they're
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: doing and saying to try to discredit the work that
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: we put in that for me is probably the most
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: frustrating part. And what's frustrating about it it's not even
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: that they do it. What's frustrating is that I have
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: always tried to maintain a posture of not getting into
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: a public battle with people who were all supposed to
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: be walking in the same direction. You know. I always
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: think about and I try to remind myself because I
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: was raised in the King tradition, right in the Doctor
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: King tradition. That's what I learned. I learned about the
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: principles of nonviolence. Carmen, if she was here, Carmen Perez
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: would say, you attack the forces of evil and not
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: people doing evil, right, And I've had to tell myself
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: that over and over and over again, even when evil
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: means people, even within our movement.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And so I was raised.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: I think about this one particular scene in a movie
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: called King in the Wilderness.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: I love this one of my favorite documentaries films about
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Doctor King because he knows that he's about to die.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: He can feel it. You know, he has a great despair.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: You can see him walking around and at times you
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: know that he's like, you know, really going through something
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: that's telling him this danger Lumen lat yeah, right, last
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: eight months of his life. And there's a scene where
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: he is walking next to Stokely Carmichael.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: So, first of all, they're in the same march and
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: they had tension. Trust me, they had tension, and a
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: lot of times they kept the attention in the basement
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: of a building and then came out and they was together.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: You couldn't necessarily tell this particular day. They're walking in
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: the march and the reporter is asking doctor King, like,
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: what should you know? How should we be moving forward?
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: What should people be doing? And Doctor King is like,
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, I believe in the principles of
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: nonviolence and it is not passive, and he's going on
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: and on about nonviolence. And then they turn around and
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: they asked Stokely Carmichael, what do you think that we
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: should be doing?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: What's the direction?
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: He said, I think we should burn this whole damn
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: thing down, right, And so it's two different mindsets, two
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: totally different mindsets, but they're walking in the same direction
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: and they're able to be there. And doctor King didn't
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: get scared and say let me run away. In fact,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: he used the energy of those people who were like
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: burn it down, tear it up. And he took that
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: into these government offices and corporations and wherever else he
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: was and said, Hey, these folks getting ready to mess
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: your shit up, like you know, y'all better figure out
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: what we're doing here. And they also held him accountable
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: by saying, these are the things that we need you
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: to get done if you are going to go in
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: these places and be sort of the voice of the people.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: So I've always tried to be that. I've always tried
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: to be that. But I can also tell when people
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: are disingenuous, when when it's more about them than it
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: is about the actual movement, and that is something that
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: gets me pissed off. Then I'll be ready to, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: say things.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Don't you think we need an inside outside?
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Because one thing from the same Bacmendary Kingdowilderness, there was
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: a scene where Lyndon B. Johnson calls Martin Luther King Jr.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: When he's in LA I believe for the Watch Rights right,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: and he goes, Yo, what is going on? But Martin
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: knew that call was coming right right. So Martin was like, well,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: now we need our check. Like you know, we got
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the civil rights and the voting rights and all that,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: but now it was about the money that people are
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: out here hurting. So don't you think you need an
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: inside outside?
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: I mean I play it all the time. We played
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: outside a lot more than we do the inside. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: certainly I think that's important. I think I'm speaking to
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: something different. But the answer to short answer to your
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: question is yes, we have to have that.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I think the problem is the inside more than it's
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: the outside nowadays, because y'all be outside doing what y'all
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: are supposed to do. But then it's hard to get
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: people on the inside. Yeah, they want to work with
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: y'all because they want to you know.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's true.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: People get comfortable when they get on the inside, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: they are afraid to work with people who are considered
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: to be controversial, you know. And so I would say
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: that that is an issue that we deal with. But
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: not everybody on the inside is like that, you know.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I think about somebody like Mark Morril, who is sort
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: of an insider right National Urban League. He's in the buildings,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: in the meetings, but there's not been a time when
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: I've called him to say, Mark, here's our position. Here's
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: what I want you to say, or here's you know
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: what I need from you. That he hasn't shown up
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: to be a partner in that way. And so there's
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: a lot of people like that, and you know, I
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: think we have to give credit too, I think, in
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: every aspect of the movement, because there's outsiders that are problematic, right,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: So there's inside outside, it's problematic people all over the place,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: which is part of why our struggle seem in the
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: cycles continue to go around in the ways that they do.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I think we if we were a little bit more
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: effective in how we coordinate the inside outside, and also
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: that we identify the opponent not being us. It's not
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: black institutions, it's not black people, it's not black organizers,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: it's not black protesters. The problem is that we're fighting
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: against something, and we all need to identify white supremacy
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: looks like what white nationalism is. We need to identify
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: what ignorance and hate is and really use our energy
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: to talk more about our strategies rather than to talk
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: down on people who have built Because you know, when
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: I think about black institutions, and I also think about
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Black Wall Street and Rosewood and all of these places
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: that we know black people built real economic power. It
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: wasn't that black folks didn't do it. It's not that
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: black institutions weren't a part of it, because it would
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: not have existed if it had not been for the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: work of people who have been have have toiled and
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: died in order for us literally put their lives and
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: bodies on the line, in order for us to be
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: in the positions that we're in to even be able
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: to sit here in this great, big, beautiful building today.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: But there have been it. At every point.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: White folks government had literally burned down physical burned down
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: what we built. So I don't think anybody worked hard
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: to say, massa, let me in. I want to be
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: your friend. You know, just accept me. That's not what happened.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: People worked so that we can actually enjoy our labor.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: As Angela Rai says all the time, we built this
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: nation for free on our backs. So we're not asking
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: for anything that we don't deserve. We pay taxes. We
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: ought to receive part of our tax dollars to help
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: empower our community. So when folks are saying to the government,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: we want positions of power, we want resources for our community.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: We're not asking somebody for a handout for charity.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: We're asking for.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: The money that's going out of our paycheck to come
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: back and recycle in our community.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: So I always, I always am cautious about Yes, there
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: needs to be a critique. We all absolutely need to
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: critique where we are with our institutions, with our organizations,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: and where we are as a movement. But a critique
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: that is not also coupled with step one, two, three, four,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: five six of the next level of the plan is
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: problematic to me. And be honest with you, I don't
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: trust people who spend a lot of time talking about
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: themselves and then talking down on black institutions.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I don't trust them.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: So I was going to say, so, I know the
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: target conversation comes up when I think about this, right,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: And you were pushing the boycott target when the DEI
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: stuff happened, and then, like Tabitha Brown, there's people saying,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: don't boycott target, support the black brands so that they
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: don't erase the black brands out of there. I know
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: you get pushed back for your take, but I don't
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: know you also listen to it as well to try
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: and figure out how to move forward.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: What's the answer to all of that?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: Because you're strongly on one side, you got other people
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: on the other side, Is there ever really answer to that?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Like, what do we really do?
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: First of all, people gonna do whatever they gonna do,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: So let's just be clear about that. We're never going
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: to be in a situation where one hundred percent of
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: anybody of any group says we're all gonna do the
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: same thing. And I also want to say publicly that
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: I love and appreciate tap at the Brown. Right, this
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: is a sister that I watch all the time. You know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: I see people in my comments section like, oh Taba
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: think going like we're not doing that right? Like, I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: supportive of her. I've purchased products from her offline. I
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: support her. Love the sister and the other black business owners.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Courtney Adele Judy, you know, I call it what she's
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: BB Judy. I was getting ready to say what BB
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: means to me, but we ain't gonna do that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Doing that cleidoscope.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: That's right, that's my girl though, love her, love her,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: love her, And it's not just her. There's a bunch
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: of a bunch of things as well. Absolutely lit lip
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: bar who I just learned of rook Roots. Uh yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: So it's it's so many people I want to get
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: in trouble for for that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I actually got a few of them coming up.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: So all these businesses are important, and I think that
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: we do need to support them. But I also understand
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: that every time you First of all, I'll say two things.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Your presence is also a part.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Of your boycott, right, It's also a part of your protest,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: if you will that when you walk through the door
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: of a business, a building, anywhere you go, if people
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: see your face, that also is a sign of support.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So a part of our withdrawal.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Is that we shouldn't even be showing up in spaces
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: where people are saying they don't want And I am
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: very careful not to continuously say DEI, because that takes
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: away the power of the meaning. Diversity, equity and inclusion
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: are what we're talking about. And so if somebody says
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: I've decided that I'm rolling back the diversity, equity and inclusion,
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: what are we talking about. There's no reason for me
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: to even give you my money. I just you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I don't see a reason to to shopping your stores
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: and to be a consumer that helps you to raise
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: your bottom line. And so for me, I drop brands
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: all the time and that's why I'm.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Easy to do it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Gucci had to face the blackface sweater out gone, Nike
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: cut their contract with Kyrie Irvin, and I felt it
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: was very unfair. It was just racist to me and
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: wrong out. I'm done all Nikes going out of my
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: home and shout out to my song for that because
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: he started it, and I was kind of like.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: We're gonna throw our Nike away? What you mean?
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: But then when I really when I really thought about it,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, You're actually right, So
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: I understand, you know what he meant, and you know
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: why he did that and why that was his protest.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: And guess what, Now I'm on actively Black. So it
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: was like a mindset shift that I went from wearing
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: all the tech suits wearing all the Nikes too. Now
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: I'm in actively black and other black sports where and
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: I started wearing Cya Collector sneakers.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I immediately I needed.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Something right, and I immediately thought, let's transform spending money
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: with these people and start spending it with our own.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: And that's why I've been saying to people that that
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: is for us. In a lot of ways, what we
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: know will happen, what will come out of this is
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: that people are frustrated, they're angry, they want to do something,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: they want to get active, and now they're able to
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: take and shift their power. Now, the first part of
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: it is learning how to hold your money. Because we
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: are big consumers. You know, we love to spend money.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: So the first part is learning how to hold your money.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: The next part is when you start thinking, well, where
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: else how can I be creative in other places that
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: I can go to? Maybe let me look online to
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: see if there's a black company that can ship me
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: paper towels and toilet tissues. That is how you start
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: to transition the thought the thought and excuse me the mindset,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: if you will.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And that's what we're working on.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I think that people often forget when folks say, you
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: know a boycotts, boycotts don't work, or why boycott? What
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: people don't understand about us is that we are and
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: I have to remind folks we're frontliners.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: This is what we do. We prepare people for combat.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: When people come through our doors, they are trained mentally
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: for whatever the next steps are going to be and
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: if other people say, well, we need to do more,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: because this is me and Charlomagne arguing about what about
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: this company? And what about Amazon? And what about Walmart?
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: And what about Meta? Those things are important and there
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: are people who are doing all of it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Some people don't. They are my comment.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Sections saying they're never going back to Walmart. They got
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: rid of everybody on the DEI list. But there are
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: people who need to start somewhere. And there is power
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: in using your force to attack one particular issue at
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: a time. Once you are able, in my judgment, to
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: show Target that we as black women especially spend a
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: lot of money with you that I think the numbers
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: are around twenty nine million dollars you would lose in
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: one day if all black people didn't shop in Target. Right,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: If we can show Target that the message resonates with
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: all the other companies that you're talking about, everybody gets
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: the message that wait a minute, the black people are
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: getting upset. We need that two trillion dollars of spending
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: that they usually circulate within our companies and our businesses,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: and now they're starting to think and move differently. Once
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: you start saying I'm actually going to join this movement
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: and start to boycott and start to.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Fast from particular businesses.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: It's easier for you to start thinking, well, what else
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: can we do together?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I guess people will question it, like how do you
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: decide which business to start?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Because you know you can say Target, But like you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: said Walmart, people say, get their packages on Amazon.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: People are still on.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Facebook all day long, They're still on Instagram all day
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: So I guess people were saying, like, how do you
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: pick and choose which way to go?
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: So I have a perfect answer for you for that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: It comes from the people. It comes from the bottom up.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: You have to be able to listen to people. So
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: I'll give you an example. In my comment section. There
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: are black women in there who are saying Target hit different.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: It feels different to them right they go. People say
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: what about Meta? Well, when I open my phone for Meta,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: I don't see my bank account dwindling. It just doesn't
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: resonate the same way. It's not to say Meta is
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: not problematic, but people do not see the bottom line
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: of their bank account impacted by their getting on social media.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: There's a black woman in my comments right now saying
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: that when she closed her Target card, she looked at
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: what she spent, and she spent forty six thousand dollars
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: over twelve years.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: We gave it a nickname, we called it Tarjam and
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: walked in there feeling at home, feeling.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Like, Okay, I'm safe in Target.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I could spend four hours in here buying stuff I'm
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: not even supposed to have, but I feel comfortable. So
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: with movements I always use I've been using this example
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: for the last few weeks there. I've been involved in
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: all types of police shootings.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Some of them are.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Worse than anything that you could name on this show.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: And we know some really bad situations, and for whatever reason,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: there are certain issues that touch people. When you see that,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: as an organizer, you don't say, well, what about ism?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Because what about ism is the art of confusion.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: It keeps people in paralysis and they don't want to
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: move at all. You have to say, well, I see
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: people are really concerned about Breonna Taylor. Even though Pam
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: Turner was shot to death as a woman, a older
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: woman who was mentally unstable. She was shot to death
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: in Houston, Texas, outside of her building by who knew
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: she had mental illness and he gunned down while she
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: was on the ground laying down. That's terrible. But guess
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: what did you hear about Pam Turner? Probably nay.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: I think I did see us wipe through breaking down
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: her case a bit, but it wasn't.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: It's not something digital exactly. Brianna Taylor. Terrible, but Brianna Taylor.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: It mobilized people. It got people really upset this young
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: girl in her house. They got really upset about it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: So we have continued to lift Pam Turning. In fact,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: we bring her daughter with us to events and Toorny
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Crump continues to check on her, and I love her.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Dear young sister.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: And I'm sure there are times and I've had other families,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: not her, not Pam Turner's family, but I've had other
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: families say why not us, like look at me? I
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: also have lost a loved one, and it seems like
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: everybody is organizing over here.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: That happens.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: We should continue to bring those people, But you cannot
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: stop a grassroots movement from rising from the round up.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: You can't do that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: So for whatever reason, Target has touched a nerve in
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: people and has made them feel like they're ready to
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: get active on that.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that we need to shift the energy.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: I think we need to use Target as a starting point.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: As has been said Nina Turner. Let's give her the
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: honorable Nina Turner hopefully should be up here soon. Her
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: and of course Jamal Brian has the Target fast. These
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: two individuals are looking at where we are and how
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: do we start? And now we can take that and say, oh,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: and just so you know, because I just saw Disney World,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I think yesterday they announced that they're rolling back their
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: DEI practices.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: So now what do we do about that? We can
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: continue to move people.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: And you're also talking about folks who've never ever boycotted anything.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: They've been the best consumers.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: You are now having to retrain people's minds to know
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: that you're not gonna die if you don't go to Target.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: There's other places that have your makeup, white removers or
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: your dog food, you know what I'm saying.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: So I got a lot of different questions, you know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: And I think what you said about the confusion part
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: is very true, right because even when it comes to
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: things like Nike. Yeah, okay, Kyrie, Irvan, you know is
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: no longer with Nike, but then they have people like
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Lebron James. Of course, I have people like Colin Kaepernick. Yeah,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: people like I guess I'm wanna talk about Lebron and
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Colin in particular, is because they do different levels of activism,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: so people feel like they still want to support that,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: or you know, even with the Target thing. Yes, if
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: there's a grassroots movement and people are saying, hey, I
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: want a boycott Target, cool, But what about when they
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: look at this whole other list and they do ask they.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Will continue to ask that question.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: They will continue to say, well, you're still using Amazon,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: You're still going to Walmart, you know, you're still on Meta.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't think that it is the responsibility.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: First of all, I'll say this, if you boycott your shoes,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: your shirt, your pants, your T shirt, your underwear all
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: at the same time you walk around get people not
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: gonna do that. That's not realistic. And I don't think
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: that we should set unrealistic goals for ourselves and our movement.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: It's already hard enough to get people just to lect
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: the algorithm rhythm, or for the algorithm to push the
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: message that there is even a Target fast or a
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Target boycott.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: That's like not easy to do.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: You actually got to hit the streets, knock on doors,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: and talk to people directly, which we are beginning to do.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Nikima Armstrong, who.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Is an organizer in Minnesota. This is the local community
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: where the Target headquarters is located and the place where
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: my viral speech which I mentioned Target in the speech,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: where it happened because of George Floyd. Like that's the
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: other thing, is like the connection between Target and that
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: moment when the city of Minneapolis was burning down, right,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Like y'all remember that when everything was on fire and
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Target seemed to remain standing right there and it was
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: next to an AutoZone. The AutoZone was burned down, the
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: police precinct was burned down, and Target was right there.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: In my speech when I said I don't give a
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: damn if they burned down Target, because Target ought to
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: be out here with us fighting for justice, I wasn't
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: saying go burn down Target. I'm just saying, don't even
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: bring up buildings burning. When a man was killed, he
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: was murdered on TV in front of a bunch of
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: people who a part of them was murdered as well,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: in that moment, and Target the next day released a
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: statement saying they were going to open the doors and
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: let people come in and out and get whatever they wanted.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Folks were in Target getting milk for the eyes of
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: protesters who you know, the police were out there tear
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: gasing people. They were getting alcohol and gods and everything
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: else that they needed to deal with, rubber bullets, and
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: I'm sure they got some TVs and some pamps and
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: some the things too. I'm not gonna say they didn't.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: I'm sure they did. But Target heard the message. So
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: the connection is not some pie in the sky thing
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: that we just said, oh, we're just gonna pick on Target. No,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: that the CEO came out and said, this could have
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: been one of my employees. So how when Donald Trump
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: comes with his racist attack on diversity, equity and inclusion,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: do you just fold like that and people say, well,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: you know, no, no, no, they still have the program,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: which by the way, they have not said a thing.
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: So I just want to say for people who are
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: listening who keep calling me telling me, well, did you
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: talk to this person and that person? Because they still
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: have a program and they still are committed to some
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: of these things. The question that I have for you
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: is when is Target gonna come out and talk about it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: I never understand why any of those corporations are not
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: any of this publicly, To be honest.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: With you, right, you could have changed it and we
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: wouldn't have even known, right, Like, they haven't done it. Well,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: that's the reason why they publicly said it is because
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: they want to be down with the good old boys.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: They want to be in the oligarchy.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Huh.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: A lot of it is investors too, Like with Disney
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: what you were talking about, their investors are.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: The contracting them, asking them to do it, and so
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: and get and and you bring up a really powerful point.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: You bring up a powerful point. Their investors want them
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: to change their programs. They want them to stop the
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: initiative uh DEI diversity equing inclusion.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: That means people who spend money with them have made
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: a decision they don't want something. So why is it
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: that black folks don't have the same mindset that we're
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: investors as well. We're investors and and and and in fact,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: we have the right to be offended. We have the
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: right to be offended, and we have the right to say,
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: you know what, target. Don't even worry about John John them,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: We're gonna get you first. And you run to these
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: meetings and these uh these golf tournaments and all of that,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: and tell people when they ask you, oh, Billy, Bob,
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: how how's your numbers? We having some problems.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: We have a problems. Black people ain't feeling us right now.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Made the right decision. That's that's the goal. And yes,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: I know, Charlemagne, you're right. People are gonna say why
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: not this one and that one? You should do that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: I don't wear a bunch of stuff. I don't shop
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: in a bunch of places. I've been to Walmart in years.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: That's that's that's what I'm doing.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: You should do that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Anybody who feels like and nobody stops anybody from saying,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: I am now leading. I think you should lead the Walmart,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Amazon and Meta boycott.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Since you keep asking.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: You you should, since you keep asking why, because I
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: know I'm not getting off metal, Okay.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Well that's fine. Well we're supposed to be on fan base, and.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I kind of believe it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: And see that's the other thing, right, we're supposed to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: be I was.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Gonna say that too, like, you know somebody, I'm not
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: gonna say who I was arguing with somebody Friday, right,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: he was on the three away with him every day.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I can't say who it is.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: And Ler was saying, well, I gotta I gotta be
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: able to get my messaging out, That's what I'm saying
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: on that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, we could organize the mass exodus.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: He is, but he is, but you can't. You can't.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: You have to say that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: Uh, And I'm an investor, you're an investor in fan base.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: We have to say that Roland has been one of
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: the most consistent voices supporting Isaac and Isaac CA's and
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: trying to get people to go to UH fan base.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: And every time I open the app, there goes Roland.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: His face is there, so he is doing it. But
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: you know what, It's okay, guess what, they use us
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: all the time. So why all of a sudden do
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: we have to be uh the purest that if we're
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: going boycott one thing, we got to do everything. You
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: know what, It's a million people on my page on
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Instagram and people get the message. I have thousands of
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: people that's on their talking so you know what, I'm
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: gonna use your platform to boyo, boycotch your homeboy. That's
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: what I'm gonna do for now. You shut me down,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: then I'll go somewhere else. You use me, all of you.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: It was in me right now, what if I believe
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: in bycotting meaning that you know, you know, we know
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: that there's black businesses there, so focusing our dollars on
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: making those black businesses like I love with John hol'brien
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: presented when he talks about the reframing of diversity, equity
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: and inclusion, I love business and God and not a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: political agenda, meaning reframing diversity, equity and inclusion as a
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: as critical for economic competitiveness, innovation, and market right because
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: if we don't buy those products in those stores and
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: they just sit there on the shelf and they don't sell,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: they'll just say, you know what, get rid of that
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: shit in they cell.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: So so there at least it is two businesses that
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: I've heard of that have sold out their products since
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: this happened because people have been buying directly from them online, right,
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: so that there is a way to continue to support
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: these people. Yesterday, this brother Carlton Maxwell, Carlton Maxwell He
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: was at Jamaal Bryant's church in Atlanta, Georgia, at new
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: Birth Baptist Church, and he had car to Maxwell's stand
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: up in the audience and he said, you know this
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: brother was in one hundred and nineteen stores, No, nineteen
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: hundred stores, nineteen hundred stores, Target Art, Yes, and he
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: did not renew his contract when the boycott began selling
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: sports wear, black history stuff shirts, tope bags, he did
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: not renew his contract. And it is because he decided
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: that he wanted to join.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: The boycott efforts.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Right. Jamal had him stand up yesterday. He told everybody
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: in the church, and you know it's thousands of people
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: at new Birth on Sundays. He told him, go on outside,
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: put your stuff up. Everybody gonna come out there. People
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: bought everything from him, and I think most people, whether
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: they wanted the stuff or not, were motivated to go.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: And by the way, he has some fly stuff, socks, sweatpants.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I need those sweatpants.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Cars.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: You ain't have my size, but he would.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Everything he had was purchased, and he said his online
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: sales are up. People are supporting him. So there's more
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: than one way to skin a cat, right. We have
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: to be creative, because what if they just said tomorrow
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: they don't even want us in the store, then what and.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: They will definitely say that if people are not buying. So,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I get you.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I just feel like you got to have a plan
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: to readirect energy towards supporting companies like call, but also
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: supporting companies who are doubling down on the EI.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Well, well one hundred percent.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: And that's why this whole thing where people are like, oh,
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: you know, Reverend Sharp then took people to Costcos and
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: why would you go to Costco's.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Well, let's get to your point.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: If somebody says, if you are going to punish one person,
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: then why not reward the other?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: If they say, you know again.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Everything, I mean, it's because you know why, because most
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: of the those people who were there, they're older, right,
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: most of them. There were some younger folks, but most
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: of them are older. And that's what they do. That's
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: what motivates them. When we do protests, we be out
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: there singing some different stuff, right, we evolve, things shift
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: and they change. But what motivates that group of people,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: which includes my mother, my father and other people who
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: are a little bit older than us, that's what they like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: and I don't.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: See anything wrong with it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: The point is they were making it clear to another
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: company and to other companies that we are smart enough
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: to know that if we want something and you say that,
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: you're going to fight.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Because by the way, Costcos.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Is in a fight. They're not keeping DEI easily there.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: As you said, they're stakeholders, stockholders, they're investors there.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Even I've heard that the.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Elected officials in the city where their headquarters is has
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: been calling them, trying to force because the whole thing
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: is they need all these companies to do it at
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: one time so that there's nobody left and therefore you
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: have no choice because you're not gonna boycott every single company.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: So they're trying to put pressure to make sure that
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: it is. There's a domino effect. Everybody decides to do it,
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: and then there's nowhere for you to go, right.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: But Costco said, nah, we gonna stand on business.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: We believe in this, and now we know Delta Airlines
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: that said that, what is the difference.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Between Target and Coscos? What is the difference?
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Why is it that Target does not respect the black consumer,
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: especially black women, enough to say this is gonna upset
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: them not to mention. Target pulled its DEI initiative. It
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: was announced, and they didn't even call the black businesses
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: that you're talking about to let them know that this
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: is gonna happen. I think those black businesses should get
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: together and sue Target me because you have impacted my
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: bottom line. You have hurt my brain and being in
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: your store right hurt my chances of being a successful
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: vendor within Target without even coming to me to say, hey,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: something is going to be different and you might be
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: impacted by my new decision.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: They didn't even do that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: They didn't even have respect enough to call these folks
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: and say, hey, we got some things going on.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: We want you to know about it first.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: And give me an option of how I want to
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: move when the announcement is made.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: They didn't even do that. So why are we being
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: so nice and kind? And guess what?
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: There are different types of people in this movement. You
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: got people who are going to go in the store
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: and say, I'm just gonna buy this one thing.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get this.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: But I can tell you right now being products the
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: black products, right, But I can tell you right now,
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: you walk through the door and the toilet tissue is
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: gonna be on sale for two dollars because target is
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: these people are master marketers. They are master manipulators. That's
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: what they do. They have people who study our habits
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: so they will know what to do in order them
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: to draw you in. So you think you're gonna walk
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: in there just to grab one thing, and now your
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: child who's four years old is laid out flat on the.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Ground screaming Mommy, please get me so and so.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: So you're gonna be like, get it, just get it,
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: and lets go right, and eventually you slip back into
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: the same habits. So we're asking people to please ensure
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: that you uh support every single black business. I'm buying stuff.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: I'm play Pits is a new brand I just found
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: out about that is deodorant four kids.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying found out about.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's actually the good thing about this moment,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: right because I didn't know all of those products.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: Exactly what I felt as loud as it did like
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: during the pandemic when it was like the push of
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: like black businesses or whatever. I felt like it was
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: so loud and like everybody was passing around these list
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: or whatever.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it's like that, but.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Them ain't do shit. I want to and I love
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: that you we were talking about the book. I love
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: to tell the story.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: But you told me something the other day that I
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: was like that I really forgot about that the work
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: that somebody like Reverend Jesse Jackson was doing right.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: How he did it right?
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Right, So go ahead.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: You asked the question, say, like, you know, when we
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: talk about these corporations who pledged all of this money
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: right after George Floyd, they didn't delivered.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: They did not.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: But back in the day with Jesse Jackson was you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: pushing these people for diversity and everything.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: He was on a big yes.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: And not all the companies did it then but then,
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: But there are certain companies that it's certain there are
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: certain brands and I'm not going to name them today's
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: being given them free promotion, But there are certain brand
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: because I don't know where they stand now, but there
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: are certain brands that we as black people are attracted
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: to for a reason, and it's because you know, it's historic,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: like we learned that such and such was our friend
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: kind of whatever that means back then, and that behavior
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: has translated down through generations and it's just like you
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: going to so you don't even know why you more
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: interested in this than that. And it has a lot
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: to do with how your parents knew that this company
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: was safer for us, or at least they were hiring
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: more people and they had more opportunities for us. And
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: that's something that I have to give a lot of
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: credit to Reverend Jackson and those people who sort of
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: followed in Doctor King's footsteps, because you look at Operation
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: bread Basket, which was an initiative that literally dealt with
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: the economics within our community, and they had principles for
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: how you decided whether you were going to work with
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: or support a corporation or not. And I will say
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: when you talk about companies who made commitments, one of
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: the commitments that Target made was to spend two hundred million.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Dollars with black businesses.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: The two billion or two hundred million, yet check it
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: because I might be wrong. I was getting ready to
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: say two hundred billion, but I know I'm wrong about that.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It might be two billion.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Or is it plage two billion business?
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm fright, right, cool, so right, So I'm wrong.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: So that was by twenty twenty five. We want to
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: know what happened money? Did you do it before you
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: talk about rolling back DEI? Don't you think they should
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: put out a report that says we put we we'd
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: spent all this money. And by the way, twenty twenty
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: five doesn't end for another eleven months. So did you
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: end your DEI practices before you got to the full
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: two billion? Thank you for correcting me. Did you know
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: what happened?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: To your point about Reverend Jackson, this is another reason
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: why I get frustrated when I hear people say we
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: don't need DEI.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: D I never done nothing for me. It's not important.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: And Roland Martin gave me some examples the other day
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: of how DEI is just the child of things that
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: have happened before it. Right, So they may not have
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: been calling it DEI in the seventies and eighties, right,
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: we were looking for black economic power. We were looking
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: to again, if you have a business, in our business,
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: in our in our community, you not gonna just set
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: up shop and not give our people jobs, not put
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: us on in positions of power within the company.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: That's just not gonna happen.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: And they were right to say that because you right
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: here and people are gonna run in your store buying
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: things from you. We deserve a piece of the pot.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: It's not we are asking for charity. We're saying that's
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: how you do business when you into somebody's community.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: You can't move in my house as a man and
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: me and you live in here and you say I'm
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: gonna eat your food, I'm gonna drink everything, I'm gonna
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: take all the resources from you, and I ain't gonna
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: help you pay the rent.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: Right. So when I think about Reverend Jackson, remember I
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: was a little girl, and it is in I live
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: to tell the story to some degree being in the movement.
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: And I watched them protests companies because you would find
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: out that a company.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Again and it is in the community, and they don't even.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Have one black board member or women. Now, has it
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: been infiltrated by other people. Absolutely, But that certainly was
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: a time when it was all male, all white, and
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: the white women actually were working as administrators in the company.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: You were able to white women was able to answer
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: the telephone.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Right, And that's about it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: And be secretary Reverend Jackson and all those working with
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: him winning there and said hell to the no, you
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: can't operate in our business if we don't have a
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: piece of the pie. And when we talk about DEI,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: a lot of people are thinking about jobs and thinking
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: about you know, maybe some of the vendors and things
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: like that, but what about suppliers. You have people who
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: had advertising companies who had contracts with these agencies, with
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: these businesses. You have people who had the security firm.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: You see the people at the front door. You don't
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: know who's actually running that firm. It could be a
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: black man or a black woman behind that. You have drivers,
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: the truck drivers that are out there bringing the products
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: across country. A lot of times those are people who
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: come from the DEI aspect of the company.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: These are suppliers that were also a part of the work.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: That Reverend Jackson and them did.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: And to speak to the point about boycotts and protests
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: and why they go hand in hand, is that he
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: would not have been able to do that if Miss
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Susie and them didn't go stand outside and form a
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: picket line to create actual visuals of what was going
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: on in the meetings, and Miss Susie didn't have millions
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: of dollars. So you know, there's no expectation that the
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: person who has decided that my little ten dollars, I'm
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: gonna keep it in my pocket. But she was out there,
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: braving the cold, standing outside in front. And those are
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: your combat front liners. We have to remember that in
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: the in war, everybody doesn't do the same thing.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: You got people who are on the front line.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: You got people who are driving the vehicles, you got snipers.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: You have all different types of people who are doing
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: work that makes up the whole and gets.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Us to an end result.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: So let's not let's not let's not fight the protesters
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: and the boycotters. Let them do their job and use
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: it as fuel. If I'm if I'm Tabitha Brown, if
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: I'm you know, Courtney Otia, if I'm what's our sister's
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: name from? I best ones, Lord, have mercy ingrid.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I love you. You know that I'm sorry too much in
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: my head.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: But if I get it right, absolutely, If I'm these folks,
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: I'm getting together and I'm not saying don't boycott. I'm saying, Okay,
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: I don't really want you to because my product is
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: in there. But guess what if you're gonna do it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go inside and fight. Not not not going
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: and I'm not I am not saying that they're not fighting,
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: So let's get cause you know they'll say, oh, Tamika
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Mallory said, y'all punks and y'all ain't fight.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying they're not.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: I'm sure there are things happening that everybody's not gonna
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: see and hear.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: But if I if I.
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: Was them, I would be saying I'm gonna use the
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: energy from the street to take in here and say,
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: you guys have hurt our businesses because of what you
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: have done to our community. You have to work in
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: tandem inside, outside strategy and guess what fight fight. This
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: is a time that we are in. Well, we just
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: at the beginning. We've got four years at least, maybe
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: even more of people who are going to continue to
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: hit us with these particular plays because they are attempting
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: to return this nation to an all white, all male
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: for the most part leadership. And these are not white
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: people that just gonna do what you say because we
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: ad asked them to.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to make a demand.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: And so it's good for us to start flexing our
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: muscles and learn what it feels like to get in
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: a fighting position. Now, to Angela Rye's point, who I
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: was listening to the other day, in a minute, if
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: we don't show our power in this particular moment, we're
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: gonna look around and ain't gonna have no money to
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: buy a target anyway, So we all gonna be boycott.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Ask your question, Ask one question about the boycott thing. Okay,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I'll let you finish first.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say about Uh, I guess that's the
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: other thing too. Is it easier or heart of the
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: protest with social media? Because things can be so fragmented, right, Yeah,
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: Like when Friday, I didn't know Jamal Brian was doing
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: a protest. I just found out about this on Friday, right,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: And then I didn't know Nina had announced one, right,
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: And I know you, I know y'all were talking about it,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: but I didn't know they actually announced it, right. And
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: then when I started to look into it, because I
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: was like, well, what are the demand I haven't heard
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: what the demands are. And Somebody's like, well, go look
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: on Jamar Brown's website. But when I go look on
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: Jamal's website, it said the protest don't start till March fifth.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Well, so who's doing is Has Nina started? Yes?
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: So yeah, thank you, thank you for asking that because
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: that's important. And I've heard a few people say they're
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: confused and we're not perfect as a movement, and so
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: there needs to be people who call in and say, hey,
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: we don't understand. So first of all, I mentioned Nakima Armstrong,
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: which is a woman who is there in Minnesota where the.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Target headquarters is.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: They started for Black History Month, right, They already started,
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: the folks, and they're not just on social media.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: They are on the ground.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: They have held demonstrations, they've been outside. In fact, there
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: is a Latino group that was also protesting. They had
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: a big protest outside of a Target in one of
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: their communities, not connected to Nikima. I don't believe, but
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying they started right away. So Black History
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: Month they were saying, don't shop in Target, need to
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: turn that. This is all great minds coming again, right,
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: and now we all are part of something called the Mothership,
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: so we all talking to one another.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: But in the beginning we were not.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Nina Turner had also been working through we are somebody
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: on a similar idea that beginning Black History Month, and
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: it didn't have an end date, but beginning in Black
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: History Month, that there would be a boycott of Target
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: and a bycot of all of the other brands. And
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: so they created the list and put all of that
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: information out there. So now I Nina called me and said, hey,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: would you like to be involved in this?
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Where do you stand with it?
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: I said, I definitely want to join you, and then
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: I connected Nina and Nikima. So now they've been talking
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: about how we come together. Then the brothers said hey,
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: and Jamaal Briant being one of them, were getting ready
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: to go into a season of lent, right, so people
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: during Lent they fast, and he said, let's bring the community,
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: the clergy community, the our ministries, and our church community
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: into this thing by asking people starting the beginning of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: Lent too fast from Target, right. And so it's all
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: a continuation and how that gets properly articulated is something
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: that we are gonna have to work on. But hey,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: I'm up here today, and so then I included Jamal
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: into the text chain and so now all of us
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: are talking and Roland has been given his advice and
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: elders have been calling a Michael Eric Dyson is saying, hey,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: let me, you know, ask you some questions. Have you
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: thought about this, have you thought about that? And so
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: you know, so it is. It is not perfect. No,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: it's not. Because it happened in one particular moment. People
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: moved again, we moved based upon what you saw.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I could go up.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: There right now on my page and say we gonna
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: do X, We're gonna boycott this cup company.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: People don't always move, y'all know that. I'll be telling you.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: I'm frustrated people are not seeing the importance of this moment.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: But if I say this these flowers and everybody's on it. Okay,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: now we got action, we got motion, and I'm gonna
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: use this moment with these flowers to talk about that cup.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: That's just that's just organizing one oh one, you know.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: So that's where we are.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: It's just a.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: Continuation they're doing because they already will have their people
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: in a season of fasting thinking about what they can
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: pull their resources from or put their resources towards. And
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: what he did at church on Sunday by one having
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: people buy out all my books. Thank you New Birth
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: for doing that for showing up lines of people purchasing
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: black folks products right in the lobby of the church.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: We got to go back to that.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: And that's why another thing I have to say, go
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: back to another point. That's why I'm also protective and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: I get upset about the dismissal of black institutions because
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: their Black institutions.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Have buien housing.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: We got people, thousands, millions of peop people around this
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: country living in housing that was built by churches, by
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: organizations that they put their little resources together and put
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: up a building. The next thing you know, it turned
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: into a senior center and senior living and a place
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: for low income housing. Black institutions hire millions of people.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: You have millions of people who are working in either
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: churches or the Urban League or the NAACP or these
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: different organizations. We have had a tradition of folks who
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: have worked really hard to get us to where we
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: are today, which there's challenges, there's problems, and it is
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: time for evolution.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: For sure. We've got to go to the next phase.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: We have to look at what black organizations can be
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: in the future with all that we now have at
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: our fingertips. But I don't think that we can dismiss
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: the work that was done previously, because if it were
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: not for their sacrifices, we would not be in the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: positions that we're in today.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know if this is as much of a
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: dispissal as it is to your point, what happened to y'all?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Y'all were doing all of this in the community. Where
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: is that at now?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: I mean again, people ask me all the time, and
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: I see it in my science comments the most I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: be wanting to cuss people out in there, but I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: decide it's too toxic over there, so I just let
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: him deal with that. His comments section is mad toxic,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: y'all know, you know. But anyway, people say to us
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: all the time, why y'all don't do nothing about black violence?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: What about it?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: And meanwhile we're all outside like that's what he does
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: every day. Maybe you don't necessarily see it, and maybe
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: those questions need to be.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Asked, But I'm out there and see what right? What
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: does she do? What is exactly Erica and not?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: And and by the way, y'all, people have the right
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: to get older and to evolve themselves.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: So rather than Erica being on the front line.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: Where she used to be out there burning herself out
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: to the point where she got sick, she now is
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: empowering a whole group of younger people who will do
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: it their own way. It doesn't mean that we can
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: just dismiss what she did. No, she's still important because
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: she has wisdom to bring to the table for how
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: you go forward.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: She is able to see.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: What what you may not know, because you know when
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: younger folks start getting and stuff we bring or they
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: bring because I ain't that young anymore, but they bring
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: a certain level of courage and fire that we need
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: new energy. But sometimes they can't see the pitfall that's coming,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: and so you need an elder. I would never say
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: that my grandmother's her remedy for healing me when I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: have a cold, or when I'm having a baby, or
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: whatever things you may encounter, that those things are no
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: longer and that that's all they know. No, Actually, they
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: know something powerful because if it healed you when you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: was twelve, it might be able to heal you now.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Is there sea mass today? Absolutely, that's a new thing.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: My grandmother ain't know nothing.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: She died. She know nothing about Sea Mars.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: But it doesn't mean that her old Buckley's routine that
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: she used to put together, or the castor oil that
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: that doesn't matter, and it doesn't help us to make
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: the grandparents and the institutions of before to feel like
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: they are passaying No. They need to be at the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: table and they need to know that when they come
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: to the table, there's a new generation of people who
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: have ideas that we're able to even bring you along
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: to the next day mental counsel young men for Woo.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: That's right women nineteen Keys was here Friday and said
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: something I think that you didn't like to sparked the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: nerve with you right because you left the comment on
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: the breakfast club page just sold it mysoon what sparked
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: the nerve? A and B You talked about Stokely and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: King and how two different people look at things two
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: different ways, and they said that you know, when they
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: had their differences, they were able to speak behind the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: scenes and then come out in public and still fight
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: for the same fight. So one on's balked the nerve
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: and two how come y'all haven't talked behind the scenes
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: and had that conversation where it doesn't look like you
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: guys are going at each other.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: So to be clear, Number one, I have talked to
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: nineteen kids, and that's my brother, and he and I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: do disagree on different things, but I was mad at him.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: My comment in them, yes, okay at Charlemagne.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: My comment.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: On your page on the Breakfast Club page wasn't so
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: much about nineteen keys. Although I still think it's important
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: for us to lift up the work of our institutions
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: because we know what they have done and how important
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: they have been. And again, the reason why we had
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: black wall streets and the Rosewoods and other places that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: were burned down by the government and white vigilantes is
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: because black institutions exist and existed at that time, and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: people that came out of those traditions work to create
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: sustain those in these types of economic chambers, if you will,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: like a Black Wall Street.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: So that's important.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: I'm a defender of black institutions because I come out
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: of one, and I know the power of what they've
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: been able to do. I know that when people's lights
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: are turned off, sometimes the only place you could go
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: to is to a black church or to the National
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: Action Network. Those are real things happening every day. We
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: got theories and ideas and things that probably will and
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: can work if we all work together. But we also
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: have people who need food right now. They need to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: be able to go somewhere and say, Hey, the landlord's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: trying to kick me out, will you come and show
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: up over here and fight this white man or this
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: whoever man that's trying to put me out? Of those
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: black institutions do that work every single day, So I'm
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: always very protective about that. But the person that I'm
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: really talking about when I say I was pissed off
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: is this one right here. And the reason why is
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: because Charlomagne asks several questions, which I think is what
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: about ism, what about Amazon?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: What about this place? What about that place?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: After I had already told him in the text message
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: three days before that why I don't believe that there's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: a good strategy to try to boycott everything at once.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: And he didn't say what I said as a response.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: So what he did was basically leave people with an
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: open freaking answer or open question to something that I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: already told you. Even if you don't agree, I'm not
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: saying you gotta agree, but you can at least say,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: but you know what. I did speak to Tamika Mallory
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: and she said XYZ thing, and he is now saying
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: he didn't know about Nina and them. I did not
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: know that, So I maybe I'm not as upset with
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: you as I was about that.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: But I feel like it's too serious.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Of a time for us to have conversations that just
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: leave people confused when there are answers. So to me,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: it would have been better to have Nina or Jamaal
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: didn't know Cool or me call in on the phone
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: and talk about the boycott and get those points straight
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: and have the discussion, rather than have people walk away
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: like yeah, man, come on, they playing themselves. They're not
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: trying to get off meta. They're not trying to do
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: when we actually have an answer for why Target is
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: the first place that we're deciding to to target pun intended.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: I guess I wasn't trying to make it specific about
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: anyone present because there was so many people talking about boycotting.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's your answer, you just said it.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: The reason why Target is the target is because so
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: many people are ready to boycott Target.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: That's the answer. That's why.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: Completely separate. I guess it's not separate from all of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: this because I'm sitting here listening to you talk. And
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: then I know in the book you talk about a
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: lot of personal stuff, and I'm like, when do you
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: take time to deal with.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Your own stuff? Because you I mean I do. I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: do now a little bit better.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: I know he's right though, because I'm kind of going
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: because what I do. When I get to the point
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: that it all fills up at me and I'm as
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: big as a balloon, then I start crying on his phone,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: and I mean real tears.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: He has had to.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: Be like, Okay, we're gonna get through this because I'm like,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: I'm so frustrated. I got so much going on, but
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: I'm getting better at that.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: And rehab taught me.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: Like when I was in rehab, there was no cell phone,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: the TV had some weird ass stations. I was in
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: like the backwoods somewhere in Ohio. The it just wasn't
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: it wasn't good. And there I learned the art of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: taking care of me. And in the book, I have
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: this quote in there that I want to share with
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: somebody who is listening. It says that I will I
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: was born fighting for freedom and I will die fighting
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: for freedom, but this time freedom includes me me, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: that's where I'm at. I'm all about what about me now?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: Just so you know, Lauren, when we go to these
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: cities and we're like in Kentucky and other places, oh honey,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: we get a twerk on, we get to work on,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: we find out where the little after hour spot is.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: People go out.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: They were in the clubs because I like to go out.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I like how I like good wings.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: Oh so you've been in a strip clubs, because.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I'm not I see like I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: do it all.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, hey, that's your point of entryue that
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: you might be able to get to go and we
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: have a good time.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't actually that to find.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: Out, No, I really asked you that because you deal
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: with some heavy stuff in the book, Like I know,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: for the first time you talked about the trauma you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: went through as a child with sexual abuse as a
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: child for.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: The first time ever.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, I wonder what made her decide to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: put that out there. She got all these people coming
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 6: at her about everything else you've been connected, like it's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: just the Woman's March stuff and like there's been a
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: lot and then you put that out there, and I'm
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: sure you have to deal with that again when putting
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: it in the book.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Here's the answer. I live to tell the story.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: I went through all of that and I'm still here,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: you know. And I'm sure some of it was meant
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: to take me out, right, but look at me, and
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: so yeah, taking care of myself looked like writing it down,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: and I didn't. My parents are reading my book right now. Well,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: they're finished now. I gave it to them two weeks
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: early when I first received the book, and it was
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: hard to put that book in their hands. I had
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: already told them Mom and dad and my sister who
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: thinks she's my mother, but she she she kind of is.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: She?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: The three of them, I got them on a phone
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: call because I wrote a particular chapter, and when I finished,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: I cried so hard, not because of what was in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: the chapter. It was just it was some shame. But
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: it was also because I was like, I cannot turn
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: this in. I cannot let my parents have to relive this.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: And it was about a time when I almost was
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: raped by several guys because I went somewhere I wasn't
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: supposed to be, and I walked past my father in
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: the house after the experience and didn't say anything to him.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: And I was so just broken from what I had experienced.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: And in fact, the mother of one of the boy
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: who lived in the apartment, she happened to come home
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: and literally save my life. Like they were seconds away
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: from saying, that's it. It's four dudes, that's it. You
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: got to take your clothes of Why did you even
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: come here? They were starting to tug on me. It
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: was a whole thing. And the mother walked in and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: looked and said, who the hell is this little girl
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: in my house? Get the hell out of here, And
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: she was looking at me instead of them while speaking,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: because she was like, you in trouble, and I'm damn like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: get yourself together. She told me, I'm gonna close this door,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: get yourself together, and you can get out of here.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: And that's how I got out of that apartment with
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: a pit bull sitting in front of the door. So
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: there was nowhere that I could go even if I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: wanted to. And knowing that I tell that story, which
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: is hard enough, I think for my father to deal with,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: but for me to say that I left that apartment
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: and went straight home and that he was sitting in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: the house and I didn't even tell him what happened.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: I broke down so bad. I was like, oh my god,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: I cannot put this in this book. But then so
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: when I put the book in their hands, I was like,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: oh my god, just don't read it.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Just put it up as art, like, don't read it.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: And sure enough, I came home one day and my
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: sister was like, I need to talk to you. This
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: book is a lot. She was like, I'm going through something.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: Our parents are suffering with what's in here that my
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: father said to her. And he hasn't said anything to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: me to this day. My mother done told me off
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: about two things, because that's what she do. That's my girl.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: My sister was like, I don't know if you should
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: have told these stories. But my father has not said
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: one word. I mean, he speaks to me every day.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: This is my dad, that's my guy, he's my publicist.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: He went and picked up the banners for the tour,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: like that's my guy. But he hasn't said anything about
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: how he feels. However, he told my sister that it
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: was real hard for him to get through reading that
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: some of this was happening and he couldn't do anything
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: So it's this book is tough.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I will say this though, just on the side note
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: especially with your father, and tell your sister just be
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: careful because it's dad's and I think Charlemagne will know.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Charlemagne because he's into.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Therapy as a dad.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: And knowing my dad, revenge is what we would want,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: right So your dad might be looking for the young boys'
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: names and numbers right now, pull up on him because
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: it feels like there's no way you're going to do that.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: To my girl.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: Right Well, my dad, my dad is seventy eight years old,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: so he needs to sit down and not be looking.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: My dad needs to sit down and live the beautiful
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: life that him and my mother worked so hard to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: make for themselves and for us, and know that he
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: did a damn good job because look at me right
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: like he did a damn good job. And whoever tried
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: to hurt me or whatever happened, it doesn't matter because
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, I made decisions for
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: myself that I know if he was there or if
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: he knew that I was In matter of fact, they tried,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: they tried to prevent me for making those decisions. So
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: we want my dad to sit down. But that's the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: reason why I didn't tell him at the time, because
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: he was popping then, okay, and he would have been outside.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: It's a lot of things that mothers, Black mothers keep
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: from the father in the household to keep him from
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: going to prison, defending daughters, sons, but especially the daughter.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: That's a real thing. And there's a lot of stuff.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: I know my aunts, if they listening, they know about
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: it because I as a little girl used to hear
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: them saying, don't mention this or don't say that. Now
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: there's a double edged sword to it, because this is
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: why people in families, especially uncles and grandfathers and others,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: get away with abusing young people because the women are
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: holding secrets, trying not to create confusion between the men.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: And so I don't suggest it, but I'm just saying
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: the reality is a lot of things that have happened
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: in your families people don't the men don't know about
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: because we're trying to make sure that they don't end
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: up in is in or dead, trying to defend their
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: their children.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: We'll pick up the book.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: So tonight we are going.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: First of all, are we telling people that because if
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: they show up, they can't get in. It's a private event.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: But Charlamade is having a party for me. And shout
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: out to my homegirl Nikiya McClain from Today and Nicole
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: as well as Lushawn Thompson. These women have worked together
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: with this brother to put together a private release party
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: for me. But on Thursday they can join me at
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: the New York Public Library on.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: The thirteenth, Thursday.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: I'll be there in conversation with our public advocate Jimani Williams.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: You need to have him up here again soon because
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: he's got a lot to say, especially about the mayor.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: But that's another thing, And that's at six o'clock on Thursday,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: the thirteenth. And also the moderator of that conversation is
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: going to be the executive director of editorial at Ebony Magazine.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: So it's actually going to be really dope. A lot
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: of people have signed up. It's at the New York
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: Public Library on fifth Ava And if you go to
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: Tamika D. Mallory dot com backslash tour Tamika D. Mallory
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: dot com backslash tour. You can see where I am
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: all over the country. We're in d C next week
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: eighteen politics and pros. The nineteenth, We're in Tosa, Oklahoma
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: at All Saints Church.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: We got another event happening there.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: Shout out to Kim Roxy and my girl Tiffany Crutcher
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: who are working on stuff there. I'm in New Orleans
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: at Baldwin and Co. On the nineties the twentieth. Yeah, so,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: and then the next week I'm back in DC. I'm
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: also in Miami, but it's all on my website. I'm
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: in Jacksonville on the twenty second. I'm back in Atlanta
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: on the twenty third at the gathering Spot.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of stuff my people have shown.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: Up tour because you didn't get to do that for
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: State of Emergency.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: I did because it was cod.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: And but yeah, I was, I was, but but but
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: also the balance there is that in twenty twenty one,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: everybody was at home. So you had everybody from Malicia
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: Keys to Tiffany Hattish to Taraji and Jada Pinkett and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: Pinkett Smith and others who participated in some way in
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: the tour because all they had to do was go
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: turn their computers on, and so it was.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: It's like a little different.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: That now I'm calling them and they're like, oh my god,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: I'm in Asia, Like what you need me to do?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: But I will say that all of those sisters that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: I just named, with the exception of Tiffany, who I'm
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: going to call, have agreed to do some type of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: virtual event for me which will be closed spaces for
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: young girls, young men, and so you know, we still
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: are going to make it happen and make sure that
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: they participate in what we got going on with our
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: Live to Tell the story.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: Out right now in bookstores everywhere.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: Go get you a copy. That's right now.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: I'm about to say, what, no, if.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: They're going Amazon target Jo.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: The last time my book wasn't target. After I said
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: what I said, they bought nine thousand books. So that's good.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: So not this time.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: That's cool, No problem. Barnes and Nobles. First of all,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: I suggest people go to Barnes and Nobles. I'm not
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: telling people Barns and Nobles and black bookstores. Go to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: black bookstores please. Uncle Bobby's has been really working with me.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: Mahogany Books. I got too many people to name, too
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: many people.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: All right, well it's the Breakfast Club is to meek
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: A Mallorie, wake that ass.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Up in the morning. Breakfast Club