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- 0:00You know, when you think of a nation's global footprint, you
- 0:03usually picture it like like a stamp and a passport.
- 0:07Right. Yeah, neat and predictable.
- 0:08Exactly. You look at a map, you draw a
- 0:11straight line from capital A to capital B, and you just assume
- 0:13that's the whole story. But of course I mean, actual
- 0:16statecraft is never that clean. No, never.
- 0:19It's messy, it's full of these wild contradictions, and
- 0:22occasionally it requires a country to just, you know,
- 0:26completely reinvent its global identity to survive.
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- 0:57histories for you all. Right.
- 0:58So today's journey traces an absolutely radical evolution.
- 1:02We are looking at Denmark's footprint in Latin America and
- 1:06the caridian and we. Have an incredibly diverse stack
- 1:08of sources for this one. We really do.
- 1:10I mean everything from centuries old treaties and like Diaries of
- 1:1419th century migrants to the latest EU trade agreements and
- 1:17United Nations climate funding structures.
- 1:20And the reason this specific analysis matters to you, whether
- 1:22you follow Nordic politics or, you know, international trade or
- 1:25global climate negotiations, is that it perfectly illustrates
- 1:29how a small state projects power.
- 1:32We're talking about a country that shifted from a strategy of
- 1:34brutal colonial extraction and strict cultural isolationism in
- 1:38the Americas all the way to reinventing itself as a well,
- 1:43the modern powerhouse of global trade and normative green
- 1:46diplomacy. So let's start with the physical
- 1:47footprint, which begins in the Caribbean.
- 1:49We're talking about the Danish W Indies, right?
- 1:51The Danish W India Company annexed the uninhabited island
- 1:54of Saint Timus back in 1672. They followed that up by
- 1:58claiming St. John in 1718 and then finally
- 2:01bought Saint Croix from the French in 1733.
- 2:04And we really have to look closely at the economic logic
- 2:08driving this expansion. I mean, it was pure
- 2:11mercantilism, the triangular trade, right?
- 2:13Right. Danish colonizers would bring
- 2:15firearms and manufactured goods down to Africa, and they
- 2:18exchanged those for enslaved people, who were then forced to
- 2:22endure the horrors of the Middle Passage.
- 2:24Which was just devastating. Completely and once in the
- 2:27Caribbean, these enslaved individuals were forced to work
- 2:30the sugar plantations under horrific, deadly conditions,
- 2:33producing the sugar, molasses and rum that were then shipped
- 2:36back to Denmark. And the wealth generated from
- 2:39that triangle was staggering for a nation the size of Denmark.
- 2:42But I mean, it was a system built entirely on human
- 2:45suffering, and the sources make it very clear that this system
- 2:47was actively resisted. A major point of resistance
- 2:51happened early on. In 1733 there was a massive
- 2:54insurrection on Saint John led by the Aquamu people.
- 2:57Yes. And that wasn't just, you know,
- 2:59a minor uprising. The Aquamu, who had previously
- 3:01been a really powerful force in West Africa before being
- 3:04captured, organized a highly coordinated rebellion.
- 3:07Exactly, they were led by a woman named Brefu and they
- 3:10actually took control of a massive portion of the island
- 3:12for months. Months, Yeah, before the
- 3:15rebellion was violently suppressed with the help of
- 3:17French and Swiss troops. It was a prolonged, desperate
- 3:21fight for freedom. It was.
- 3:22And it actually wasn't until 1848 / a century later and after
- 3:27further uprisings that emancipation was officially they
- 3:30achieved in the Danish West Indies.
- 3:32And that 1848 emancipation effectively broke the economic
- 3:36model of the islands. Because they couldn't exploit
- 3:38free labor anymore. Right.
- 3:39Without forced labor, the massive profit margins of the
- 3:42plantations collapsed. So Fast forward to the early
- 3:4520th century and these islands had turned into a severe
- 3:49financial drain on the Danish state.
- 3:50Which brings us to the exit strategy.
- 3:53By World War One, the United States was terrified that
- 3:56Germany might actually seize these financially struggling
- 3:58Danish islands to use as U boat bases.
- 4:01Yeah, a massive strategic fear. So in 1917, Denmark essentially
- 4:04cuts its losses and sells the islands to the US for $25
- 4:08million. Today, of course, you know them
- 4:10as the US Virgin Islands. Right, So officially, the Danish
- 4:13state packs up its colonial ambitions and leaves the
- 4:16Americas. But the wealth generated in the
- 4:18Caribbean wasn't enough to sustain a global empire
- 4:21indefinitely, which forced Danish citizens to look
- 4:25elsewhere for opportunity. And that leads to a completely
- 4:27different and frankly bizarre type of settlement further South
- 4:31in Argentina. Yeah, this is where the history
- 4:33takes a really sharp turn. Right.
- 4:35Well, the state is retreating from the Caribbean.
- 4:37You have individual Danish pioneers migrating into the
- 4:41Argentine Pampus in the 1840s and beyond.
- 4:44But this wasn't about extracting wealth to send back to
- 4:48Copenhagen. It was about extreme cultural
- 4:51preservation. The academic research on these
- 4:53migrants highlights a fascinating psychological
- 4:56contrast. I mean, they were stepping into
- 4:58the vast Argentine wilderness, but they were absolutely
- 5:01terrified of losing their identity.
- 5:02Terrified. Yeah.
- 5:03There's a story in the sources that perfectly captures this.
- 5:06It's about a prominent pioneer named Hans Christensen Fogle,
- 5:10who settled in the town of Tandel, Argentina.
- 5:13Oh, the story is wild. It really is.
- 5:16So Feckel goes to visit a Danish woman, Mrs. Jacobson.
- 5:19She had apparently left her Danish husband and was living in
- 5:22a very simple dirt Hut with an Argentine gaucho.
- 5:25The sources paint a very vivid picture, like she's living on a
- 5:29makeshift sofa made of sticks covered with a raw cow skin, and
- 5:33when Fogel arrives, she bursts into tears and begs him to speak
- 5:37to her in Danish. And his reaction is just
- 5:39entirely devoid of empathy. It's.
- 5:41Brutal. He refuses to speak his native
- 5:43tongue. He replies to her in Spanish,
- 5:45basically telling her I will no longer speak Danish to you
- 5:48because I no longer recognize you as my countrywoman.
- 5:51Just incredibly cold You aren't. Worthy of being addressed in the
- 5:55language of my motherland, I mean, Wow.
- 5:57That interaction is the textbook definition of what academics in
- 6:01your sources call the survival manual.
- 6:03In the wilderness mentality. These Danish migrants were
- 6:07geographically in South America, but mentally they were building
- 6:10a fortress. They deliberately isolated
- 6:13themselves. They built their own Lutheran
- 6:14churches, right? Yeah, they built churches, they
- 6:17held highly structured traditional Summerfest and or
- 6:19summer feasts, and they practically forbade marrying
- 6:22outside the community. But why though?
- 6:24Why travel across the globe just to lock yourself in a cultural
- 6:27bubble? Because they viewed the local
- 6:31Argentine environment, the gaucho lifestyle, as a low
- 6:35culture, they genuinely believe that if they didn't build a
- 6:38rigid wall around their perceived Danish efficiency,
- 6:42their faith and their agricultural traditions, they
- 6:45would be swallowed up by the wilderness.
- 6:46They'd lose everything that made them civilized in their eyes.
- 6:49Exactly. OK, wait, I need to stop you
- 6:51here because I'm struggling to connect the dots.
- 6:53OK, sure. So we have a history of brutal
- 6:56state sponsored colonial extraction in the Caribbean on
- 6:59one hand, and on the other we have these strict snobbish
- 7:03cultural fortresses in Argentina where they won't even speak
- 7:06Danish to someone who lives in a dirt Hut.
- 7:09How does a country with that specific historical starting
- 7:12point in the Americas pivot to the friendly, cooperative, hyper
- 7:17integrated diplomatic relations we see today?
- 7:19Like what actually caused that mindset to change?
- 7:22Well, that is the essential question of modern Danish
- 7:25foreign policy and understand the why.
- 7:28You really have to look at the brutal geopolitical for reality
- 7:31Denmark face back home in Europe.
- 7:33You mean losing territory? Exactly.
- 7:35In 1864, Denmark suffered A devastating military defeat to
- 7:39Prussia and Austria. They lost the Dutchies of
- 7:42Schleswig and Holstein. Which was what, almost a third
- 7:45of their landmass? Yeah, roughly 1/3.
- 7:48Combine that with eventually selling the West Indies and the
- 7:50Danube state had to face a hard truth.
- 7:52They could no longer compete as a military or colonial power.
- 7:55So hard power and isolationism equal death for a small nation.
- 7:59Precisely, they realized that to survive, they had to make
- 8:03themselves useful to the global system.
- 8:06They had to pivot to what international relations scholars
- 8:08called soft power and normative influence.
- 8:11They needed a web of treaties. Right.
- 8:13Treaties and trade to guarantee their sovereignty, right?
- 8:16And we actually see the seeds of this planted very early on.
- 8:19While the migrants were isolating themselves in
- 8:21Argentina, the state was quietly building legitimate sovereign to
- 8:25sovereign relationships. Like the treaty with Mexico, the
- 8:28sources show that as early as 1827, Denmark signed a Treaty of
- 8:33Friendship, Trade and navigation with Mexico.
- 8:35Yeah, which is fascinating. And it comes with a great
- 8:37historical footnote to the first known Dane to visit Mexico
- 8:41wasn't a 19th century diplomat, it was way back in 1542.
- 8:45Oh, right, Brother Jacob, Yeah. Brother Jacob the Dacian, who
- 8:49was actually a Danish Prince turned Franciscan Friar who went
- 8:51to live among among the indigenous populations.
- 8:53It's such a great detail. And they didn't stop with
- 8:56Mexico. In 1828, Denmark established
- 8:58formal diplomatic relations with Brazil.
- 9:01Those ties grew so strong that Emperor Pedro the second of
- 9:05Brazil personally visited Denmark in 1876.
- 9:09They realized that their security relied on international
- 9:11recognition and open trade. And today, those relations
- 9:15across the region are the foundation for massive economic
- 9:18integration. Which brings us to modern trade,
- 9:20because this pivot has culminated in something
- 9:22absolutely massive. I mean, it's like Denmark went
- 9:25from trying to build a tiny closed off replica of Copenhagen
- 9:28in the Argentine pampas to setting up the biggest open
- 9:31market in the town square. Very well put.
- 9:33So specifically, we're looking at the EU Mercosur partnership
- 9:37agreement. Yeah, when you look at the
- 9:39mechanics of this agreement, this shift from 19th century
- 9:42isolation to 21st century integration is just staggering.
- 9:47Mercosur being the South American trade bloc.
- 9:50Right, Correct. And for a small country like
- 9:52Denmark, this agreement is an economic lifeline.
- 9:56Damage. Exports of services to Mercosur
- 9:58are currently worth €2.2 billion a year.
- 10:01And what blew my mind in the source of is that 2 billion of
- 10:04that is in transport alone. Like Denmark isn't just trading
- 10:08goods, they are literally the logistical backbone physically
- 10:12moving the goods between these continents.
- 10:14Exactly. And the agreement aggressively
- 10:16cuts the red tape that usually chokes international commerce.
- 10:20It simplifies customs, makes certifying products much easier.
- 10:23But wait, I want to clarify who actually benefits from this,
- 10:25because usually when we talk about billion euro trade deals,
- 10:27it's really easy to assume it's just giant multinational
- 10:30shipping conglomerates reaping all the rewards.
- 10:33Right, that's the common assumption.
- 10:34But the sources highlight that 84% of all Danish exporters are
- 10:37actually small and medium sized businesses.
- 10:40That is a critical point. The agreement eliminates tariffs
- 10:43that were previously sitting anywhere between 27 and 55%,
- 10:46down to 0 on €42 million worth of Agri food.
- 10:49Yeah, So if you're a small Danish producer, suddenly a
- 10:53market of hundreds of millions of people is completely open to.
- 10:56You. And that brings us to one of the
- 10:57most clever economic mechanisms in the entire EU Mercosur deal,
- 11:03which brilliantly contrasts with that old isolationist mindset we
- 11:06talked about. Oh, the geographical
- 11:08indications. The protection of 344 EU
- 11:12geographical indications. I'm glad you brought this up,
- 11:14but I want to make sure I understand the mechanics of it.
- 11:16Like if I decide to make a Danish style blue cheese in my
- 11:19kitchen in Buenos Aires, why does Denmark care?
- 11:22How does an EU designation actually stop me from selling
- 11:25it? Well, a geographical indication
- 11:28or AGI is a legally binding intellectual property, right?
- 11:32It protects a specific regional food or drink from imitation.
- 11:36OK, so if you make blue cheese in Buenos Aires, you can
- 11:38certainly sell it as blue cheese, but you absolutely
- 11:41cannot legally call it Dana Blue, which is the protected
- 11:44Danish regional name. Because that name implies a
- 11:46specific origin and quality standard.
- 11:49Exactly. And why does this matter
- 11:51economically? Because by protecting that
- 11:54distinct Danishness in international law, Danish
- 11:58producers can sell those specific delicacies at a massive
- 12:01premium. Like how much of A premium?
- 12:03Usually two to three times higher than generic products.
- 12:06That is such a wild psychological inversion, right?
- 12:09In the 1840s, maintaining Danishness meant hiding in a Hut
- 12:13in Argentina and refusing to speak your language to outsiders
- 12:16because you thought contact would taint you.
- 12:19But today, maintaining Danishness is a highly lucrative
- 12:23global branding strategy that relies entirely on engaging with
- 12:26the outside world. It really is the ultimate
- 12:29evolution of cultural identity into soft power economics.
- 12:33But you know, the economic baseline is just the foundation.
- 12:37Because there's more. Yeah, because while shipping and
- 12:40agriculture are vital, the sources show us that Denmark's
- 12:43most sophisticated diplomatic tool in Latin America today
- 12:46isn't a product at all. It's green expertise.
- 12:49Right. They've essentially transitioned
- 12:50from exporting goods to exporting policy and knowledge.
- 12:54This is where we see Denmark acting as what scholars call A
- 12:57normative power. They aren't trying to coerce
- 13:01other nations. They're trying to shape global
- 13:03norms by sharing their own domestic successes.
- 13:06Which brings us to Mexico again. Yes, a perfect example of this
- 13:10is their bilateral climate cooperation with Mexico, which
- 13:13was incredibly active from 2014 to 2017.
- 13:17So to set the context for you, Mexico had set these incredibly
- 13:20ambitious domestic goals. They wanted to reduce their
- 13:24greenhouse gas emissions by 30% by 2020.
- 13:27Huge undertaking. And transitioned to having 35%
- 13:30of their electricity generated by non fossil fuels by 2024.
- 13:35And Denmark essentially steps in to help them actually pull it
- 13:38off. Right.
- 13:39But what does that actually look like on the ground?
- 13:41Are they just, you know, shipping over a bunch of wind
- 13:43turbines? No, and that's the genius of it.
- 13:46Denmark has spent the last 20 to 30 years going through its own
- 13:49highly complex energy transition, moving heavily away
- 13:53from fossil fuels and integrating massive amounts of
- 13:56wind energy. So.
- 13:56They have the blueprint. Exactly.
- 13:58Instead of just selling hardware, they are exporting the
- 14:01bureaucratic and technical blueprint.
- 14:03OK, so they're sharing the math. Yes, the Danish energy agencies
- 14:06worked directly inside Mexican government ministries,
- 14:10specifically Semernat, which is Mexico's environment ministry,
- 14:13and center their energy ministry.
- 14:16Danish experts sat down with their Mexican counterparts and
- 14:19shared the highly technical modeling needed to establish
- 14:22national energy baselines. Because you need to know where
- 14:25you're starting from, right? They shared the complex
- 14:27algorithms required to balance an electrical grid when the wind
- 14:30stops blowing. They help design the actual
- 14:33mitigation policies required to make the transition a reality.
- 14:37They are acting as an open source consultant for a country
- 14:40thousands of miles away. And it doesn't stop with
- 14:43bilateral one-on-one agreements like the one with Mexico.
- 14:47The sources show they are scaling this up to the
- 14:49international level. This is the most recent
- 14:51development. Yeah, just recently, in July
- 14:532024, Denmark contributed 730 thousand U.S. dollars, which is
- 14:58about 5 million Danish kroner, to the United Nations
- 15:02Development Program. And this is a really surgical
- 15:05use of diplomatic funding. That money is earmarked
- 15:08specifically to support ALS. Which stands for the Independent
- 15:11Association of Latin America and the Caribbean.
- 15:14It's a coalition of seven countries, Chile, Colombia,
- 15:17Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama and Peru.
- 15:21Right? But I mean, what exactly does a
- 15:24$730,000 grant actually buy for seven whole countries?
- 15:28It doesn't sound like enough to build a power plant.
- 15:31Well, it's not for infrastructure, it's for
- 15:32leverage. The money fund, something called
- 15:35the Progressive Platforms Project.
- 15:38You have to understand the brutal reality of major UN
- 15:41climate summits, specifically the UNFCCC, the UN Framework
- 15:46Convention on Climate Change. Right.
- 15:48These are the massive global negotiations where treaties like
- 15:51the Paris Agreement are hammered out.
- 15:52Exactly. And in those rooms, it's a David
- 15:54versus Goliath scenario. Large polluting nations or
- 15:58massive economy show up with delegations of 100 people.
- 16:01Backed by armies of policy analysts and real time economic
- 16:04modeling, I imagine. Absolutely, while smaller or
- 16:07developing nations often show up with three exhausted negotiators
- 16:10who simply do not have the logistical capacity to counter
- 16:13the arguments of the superpowers.
- 16:15So they just get steamrolled. They get completely drowned out.
- 16:18So Denmark's funding through the Progressive Platforms project
- 16:22pays for the logistical capacity, the high level
- 16:25advisory services and the policy strength that these seven Latin
- 16:28American nations need. That's incredible.
- 16:30Denmark is literally paying to ensure that smaller, progressive
- 16:34nations have the substantive assistance required to go toe to
- 16:38toe with major polluters and fight for highly ambitious
- 16:42climate treaties that. Is fascinating.
- 16:44Denmark realized that their ultimate security against
- 16:48climate change isn't just about putting more solar panels on
- 16:51roofs in Copenhagen. No, it's way bigger than that.
- 16:53Their true power is acting as an amplifier.
- 16:56They are financing the negotiation power of an entire
- 16:59coalition of Latin American states to ensure those countries
- 17:02have a louder voice on the global stage.
- 17:04It represents a total reinvention of how a nation
- 17:07views its role in the world. I mean, think about the arc
- 17:09we've traced for you today. It's.
- 17:11A long journey. We began in the 1600s in the
- 17:13Caribbean with the brutal state sponsored mechanics of the
- 17:17triangular trade, a system purely designed to extract
- 17:20wealth through human suffering. We then looked at the Argentine
- 17:23pompous in the 1800s, where Danish migrants build rigid
- 17:27cultural fortresses, utterly terrified of engaging with the
- 17:30local environment. And from those highly
- 17:33problematic, incredibly isolated origins, we arrive at a
- 17:36completely different modern reality.
- 17:38A total 180. We see billion euro transport
- 17:42agreements seamlessly connecting the continents, where cultural
- 17:46identity is used for premium branding rather than isolation.
- 17:49Exactly. And we see a small Nordic nation
- 17:52literally funding the diplomatic muscle of seven in Latin
- 17:56American countries to fight for global climate action.
- 17:59It really is one of the most profound geopolitical
- 18:01transformations you can study, and as we wrap up, it leaves us
- 18:05with a totally different question to ponder.
- 18:06OK, what's that? Well, as the devastating impacts
- 18:09of climate change continue to reshape the map, will this kind
- 18:13of green diplomacy become the new currency of global power?
- 18:17Oh, that's really interesting. Right.
- 18:18Are countries like Denmark quietly securing the
- 18:21geopolitical loyalty of the global S not with gunboats or
- 18:24colonial extraction, but by handing over the blueprints for
- 18:27green survival? It makes you wonder if being the
- 18:30world's most helpful consultant is actually the most aggressive
- 18:34strategy for long term survival. It completely reframes how we
- 18:38think about what makes a country powerful in the 21st century.
- 18:41It really does. Thank you so much for joining us
- 18:44on this exploration of the sources today.
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