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Celebrating Miguel Cabrera · Sports Exchange

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Good leaving everybody. I'll welcome to another edition of the Sports Exchange. My
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name is Scott Morgan Roth, the Motor City Madmouth yes man. Once upon
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a time. I was a little mile for about a week ago with the
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feeling very good. But I am lovely as you can hardly tell the deep
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voice I know when I go out there and do my book the audio version,
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they don't want a radio voice like me out there because I don't want
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to scare away the normal general population. When that book that I have coming
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out will will be in about a few weeks, I'll go ahead and introduce
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the crew, then we'll talk about the book. George Iiicorn, welcome back
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again to our original Yeah. Great to be back with you guys on the
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Sports Exchange. I love it. Yeah, that's the show that has you
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and I have written all over, that's for sure. Yeah. For years
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and the newspeople in the last couple of years of the Sports Exchange who are
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making it better than ever. Jacob Christner, Hey, what's going on?
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You got to see you back up? My men? Well, thank you.
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I'm glad to be back up. I can't think of anything better than
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to be with my pals, my colleagues, my brothers, et cetera.
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And last but at least Jbls. What's going on, Scott, glad you
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doing well? Of everybody else doing great? Thank you? All right?
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Well, yeah, as I just tipped my hat here, I want to
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talk about my new book that will be coming out in about three or four
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weeks. That book is obviously a media type of book, and so lessons
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from the Microphone Tuning into the enduring wisdom of visionary Leaders, and to give
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you the crust of what it's all about. It is a media book.
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It talks about my early beginnings in this career with none other than George Korn
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and how it's expanded past forty three years. And I also talk about a
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lot of the big people in the media, including Jacob Chrismer's favorite one,
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Frank Reynolds. So absolutely Frank Reynolds. You can't have a book without Frank
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Reynolds in it. Absolutely, And this guy, amongst other people will be
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there about Frank Reynolds is in it. So we'll give you more details as
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it gets released. We have a packed show tonight, which means there are
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no parting shots because when you pack it, you pack It. But before
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I get to them, I do want to preview tomorrow's Pundit's fund It and
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we'll be talking about the Frozen Frenzy, the NHL's version of an NFL Red
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Zone. This is going to be a great topic to talk about, and
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we'll list and Jacob will obviously and I will try to promote pundes Pendant.
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But if you want to join us from arow at eight o'clock Eastern time,
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one of the topics you can expect will be the frozen frendity, the any
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Shells version of NFL Red Zone. All right, well tonight we're gonna lead
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off with Miguel careers career and we're going to celebrate it. So first of
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all, George, you know when we talk about hit, in fact,
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his career is over and he's into the Tiger's front office. Define his legacy,
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well, we all know his legacy all started down in Florida with the
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Florida Marlins way back in the day. And you know, in Heinz.
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In hindsight, it was a good move because as you know, he did
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not taste the champagne in the Tigers clubhouse. It went to the World Series
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twice, and obviously it was through no fault of his. Don't get me
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wrong, I'm not blaming him or anybody, but and I love Jim Leland
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as a manager, but he only won one game, so he was one
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in eight as a World Series manager in Detroit. That being put aside for
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a second, I'm glad that when he was young he got that World Championship,
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so he does have that. Obviously, he did not need that to
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make the Hall of Fame on the first battle. Let's just be honest,
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he's a surefire number one pick in the Hall of Fame when he comes.
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His time is due. But I'll tell you what the guy is just you
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know, the only the only down part was the language barrier. And you
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can't overlook that he did not connect. I don't believe as well as somebody
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who speaks plain English. I'm just I'm not making fun of him, but
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I mean he because of his heavy accent, he was not interviewed every day.
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I mean, you know, like your team leaders, your captains and
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your teams, you know, they're always in front of the media. There's
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a lot of days where he did not want to talk to the media.
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The Tiger's pr acknowledged that they honored that, and then when he did,
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he gave very short interviews. So this year is more of been like an
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aberration here in Detroit because he's been more available, he's been more talkative and
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obviously more emotional with what happened this year and all the great things that happened.
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But Scott, guys, no doubt about it. I mean, his
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legacy is one of the greatest hitters of all time is sealed. I know
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he's not in the top ten in a lot of these categories, but come
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on, with injuries and everything like that, he would have been in the
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top six seven of every category there was probably if he was healthier. But
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the fact of the matter is is he's in a select group of guys there
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with five hundred home runs, three thousand hits, and I don't know how
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many doubles and all that stuff he's had, but he's just he's just incredible.
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The town's sent him off, right, but it was fun. You
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know, one guy that obviously is my colleague here in South Florida's name is
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Daniel Alvarezmontes, and we are good friends. And this guy here has traveled
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to a lot of mcggy's events in the last couple of years, especially with
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all the milestones, and you know, I have a great working relationship with
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Daniel And when you talk about a guy who's able to talk to Meggie and
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be able to promote baseball and the met obviously in Latin America, you know,
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it's just amazing what this guy is now. The one thing you guys
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probably won't can appreciate when I first start covering the Marlins in twenty twenty during
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the pandemic season, you know what those zoom interviews are like, because this
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is unbelievable. There's one thing I'm learning about the team on the fly,
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Okay, but go to a Zoom event with the Marlins and you know what
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ends up happening. If you don't know Spanish, you are in trouble because
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what ended up happening, and the way the moderators set it up. They
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have a non Spanish press conference with Don Manningly and the rest of these guys.
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Okay, then they had the Spanish version or you really get hoes if
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you didn't take Spanish for a second language. You think, all the time
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I've tried to take it, never made it. You could have come in
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handy when I needed it then. So now you think you got two separate
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media availabilities, English and the Spanish. For a lot of people in hockey
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in Montreal, it'd be like you have the French version and then you have
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the Canadian slash American version. So goes bigger that but still, you know,
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I'll say this, his legacy is unreal, beyond the milestones, because
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it's not what he did for just baseball in Detroit and Miami. It's what
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he did around Major League baseball, and add a Triple Crown winner to it,
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as well as all the other accomplishments. Five hundred home runs, silver,
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three thousand hits, the list goes on and on. It's unreal.
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So with that said, okay, I'll turn over to Jacob think about this
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for a second, and we talk about that. He's like, he may
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not be top five, top ten, yer, he's very very close in
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the eleven year stretch eleven. Now, we've got to remember this is an
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era where it started the whole strikeout, two fifty average, two forty average
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with the bio home runs. We're in the era now where Colege Forbes stays
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in the league at one eighty with forty homers. You know, it's like
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we're in that an eleven year stretch averaging three thirty five about four thirty three
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to four to thirty five obpour years of one thousand ops and the average in
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that time frame about thirty five homers of about one hundred and twenty hard eyes
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eleven year stretch. You gotta get to think about this for a second,
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and these are the these are the times, like I said, we have
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a lot of hitters that don't have that same discipline, Like I said,
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we there are right now. We are seeing that. And it started with
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having done probably twenty years ago. We're seeing the two more and more two
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twenties. We're seeing the way even worse. Now we're seeing one eighties.
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And they stay because they can hit, they can pop home runs, and
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it's like and so when you see those numbers, it is kind of the
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equivalent of looking at Great Maddox's fifteen year stretch, right, kind of the
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hitters version of that, where it's just constant. And then and here's the
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thing, he probably would have added, he probably would have extended three or
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four more years work for injuries. Right. He probably would have because he
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was that good of a hitter, just that good. And it's like and
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you feel and that's that's a big thing you hate when they get old.
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It's like Roger Federer, it's like, all that's a but you want to
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know the greatest thing about it is he never really hit under two fifty,
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like toward his end. It means that he wasn't see this is what I
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say about something like this, And you don't hit under two fifty, you're
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still a punches chance every time. You're still a punch his chance. It's
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like with Roger, you were the guy, and I mean, I mean
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you had to play your very best to still beat him. He was forty
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years old. You still have to give your best pitch to take Mickey out.
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Now he's leaving while you had to do it. He's leaving the game
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while you still had to do it. Because you can always have that point
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where you never you know where you can just strike him out easily, or
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he'd be like say Moses Malone when he was in his final year, two
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points in five minutes. You could easily do that if you stay too long.
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Yeah, the injuries got to him, but he never hit under two
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fifty in an ear or a lot of one eighties, So congratulations to him.
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He never really lost it, truly, he got injured. You know,
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he didn't have a lot of he didn't have a lot of backswinging making.
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His shoulders were gone, but you know, so that he still had
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that punch of shot, and a lot of people can lose that, So
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congratulations to it. Well, unlike one Gonzalez, worse Cole America's par scared
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the daylights and he didn't want to take more money to stay there. Migal
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Cabrera didn't care. I may not have as many home runs a boy,
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he hit a lot of doubles. Sure, well, think about six four
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two seventies stayed twenty years. That usually beats up. They're usually gone after
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twelve years because of the side breaks them up. Yeah, no, that's
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true. But one Gonzales didn't want no part of Colmerica Park, whereas migal
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Cabrera embraced it and had a little head over three hundred. That's not really
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all right, Joe, listen what he did? You know, Jacob talked
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about a whole bunch of numbers. That's modern baseball, These crazy stat numbers
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obs and GPS and RAS and BPT. Who cares about that average home runs
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RBIs the man did it all. Those are the only three stats that matter.
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And he stayed with the Tigers for how long he was in Detroit?
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For years? He played well, he you know, came from Miami,
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stayed in Detroit the rest of his career. Yeah, he had some injuries
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towards the end. But the man won a triple crowd, you know,
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the first one to do with and how long that's something that he's been sixty
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seven? Yeah, you know, growing up watching basebally there was always is
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anyone could ever do that again? You know how hard that is, you
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know, and to go out and do that. Nothing but a lot of
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respect for the man. I'm glad to see that he opened up this year
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and was a little bit better with the media. You know, that's a
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great thing. You know, I blame MLB for that guy's a triple Crown
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winner. They don't promote their stars very well. Their marketing is horrible.
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You know, the guys what you wanted a baseball player, you know everything
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that you should destroy people. I'm sure proud that they had of there for
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that log. Oh yeah, you know, he's gonna be missed. The
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guys like that are what baseball's about. These new guys with their averages,
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Like Jacob said, what eighty? You know? You could hit sixty homes
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and hit what eighty? I don't want you on my team. I don't
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care, you know, And you hit one eighty with sixty homers and sixty
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five RBIs, You're useless, absolutely useless. We're getting close to that too.
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The overseas I saw, I mean that I've seen. I saw Cubs
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averages, which is not terrible. When I was at the Cubs Braves game
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and you're seeing things like twenty one homers and sixty three RBIs or something.
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It's like the one in three, which used to be the one in four
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and a half one in five. Yep, good points show. The best
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part about it is that he's still with the Detroit Tigers front office, so
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his presence will be around. He'll certainly have an influence on only in the
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existing clubhouse, but particularly a lot of the Latin players as well. So
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Maggey may not be on the field, but his presence is another mister Tiger.
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Like al k Line, this day's version is very much gonna be felt
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there six, he'll be their head bouncer. You know what, I wouldn't
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want to get in his way, and I had no desire to. All
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right, So that said, let's go on to football, all right.
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The Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator Bryan shotten Hyrid told reporters that the Cowboys will be
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leaning on Trey Lance to give insight on the forty nine ers. Dallas acquired
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Lance in a preseason trade. Well you know what, what are your thoughts,
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George, familiarity especially, Yeah, one of the best games of the
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year. Go ahead, Well, yeah, it's going to be a great
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one, no question about it on paper, at least Dallas at Frisco next
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week. I don't know. I mean, yeah, there's always some sort
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of little advantage I guess for a player, but don't forget a lot of
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the plays change from year to year season season, and their playbook might look
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a lot different, especially if they're playing the Cowboys. I mean the Cowboys.
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I play in San Francisco, So you know, yeah, maybe there's
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a little bit of validity to that, but I don't think a whole whole
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lot, because after all, you kinda beat them offensively, got to beat
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them on defense. You got special teams, you can run the whole gamut.
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So yeah, you know, Lawrence may help a little bit. But
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hey, look it's it's Rock Birdie's show right now, and they're obviously doing
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what they can to to try to gain an edge. I guess the offensive
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coordinators making a statement like that, Who knows, Maybe they saw that in
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Frisco and they're laughing at it. I don't know, But all that being
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said, it's gonna be it on paper again, a great matchup. I'm
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looking forward to it. You Jacob, well, you know something that here's
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the big thing I'm gonna do with Larry bird reference on this one. It
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was all that trash talk that he used to give that they used to trash
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talking that he would tell them that where he was gonna go. You know
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how he's gonna spin around, He's gonna take it to the left, he's
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gonna take it the right. Oh yeah, he's gonna do a left took
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over. He's gonna tell you how he's gonna do it, then he's gonna
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do it. And he did it in the finals in the NBA finals.
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So he was telling you not only is not only is he telling you the
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play. He's telling you where he's gonna go on the plane. You can't
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stop me, hey, Ralph, And it's like and you and you cannot
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stop him. And it's the same with the Niners and Joe, I mean,
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JB sees this, We see it every single time. Doesn't matter what
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you know, what you're gonna get from them, from Trey, doesn't matter
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what you get, you can't. They are schemed wide open. It is
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pitch and catch. It doesn't matter what you have, And it blust the
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fact they lose their best backfield guy, and it doesn't matter by itself.
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They don't throw a lot of long balls, maybe three a game, so
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it's just gonna be pitching catch eight yards, eleven yards, nine yards.
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It's like you could tell him all day long, it's not going to really
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matter. It's the same with Miami unless Buffalo, like, well, legend
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what they're gonna do to the Giants next week and JB shouldn't know that,
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and like what they're gonna do to them, and it's like it doesn't matter
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what somebody knows. It doesn't matter if you like go into the locker room
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and put a camera and just get it doesn't matter if you know what it
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is, because you can't stop it that when you're that good, you can't
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stop them. And that's the whole thing. It's just it's not the play,
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it's the execution. So Trey can tell them all they want to.
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And you lost your best backfield, Siff. This was just that good.
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Yeah all right, Joe, are you kidding me? This guy? So
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you're a coordinator in the NFL because Daddy got you your job, you useless
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thing. And now on top of that, watch the game film. The
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film it's called Christian McCaffrey, Brandon, Aya, Deebo, Samuel's Great Kittles.
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What more do you need to know? Who are you going to stop?
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Pick one? Because then they'll beat you a different way. Maybe work
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a scoring in the red zone. Maybe we could do that. Maybe dial
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up Daddy because you obviously don't know what you're doing. Have a good day.
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I don't even know, but come on, you need to get help.
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You're a coach. I mean, what is that discussing? Shottenneyder doesn't
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do anything anyway, He's gett McCarthy place, Joe, you know, dial
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it Beck just a little bit okay, disgusting disgusting. Hey listen, I
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love your most animated I've seen you in a while. Keep listen. I've
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watched one forty game this year when they played the Giants. I knew what
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they were gonna do. It doesn't take much. It's not hard. They
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have four great offensive weapons. They have the guy was drafted last in the
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draft class playing quarterback. So let's see the guy who got drafted last is
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better than the who they traded up for in the first round. No,
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anybody can play quarterback in their system. All you have to do is pick
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your weapon and if that person's guarded, go to somebody else. There's too
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many weapons. And then on top of that, their defense is also really
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good. The Dallas instead of worrying about you know, oh we're gonna go
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to the super Bowl, score inside the red zone, then you could be
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a super Bowl contender. Until then, there's too much talk. It's like
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Jerry Jones has leached into all their braids. It's disgusting, it's horrible.
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Well, the only thing I'm going to say about this thing is that if
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you feel you have to resort to Trey Lance to get information, you're in
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trouble, because really, because really what you end up getting was a later
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round pick for him. Anyways, he's a work in progress. There'll be
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a project, and he's only there if Dak will ever be there two three,
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four years down the road. So let's just think you can get a
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little bit of mile, not much, even though you're right, okay,
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you're talking about the late Marty Schottenheimer. To me, it was one of
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the best coaches that never win a Super Bowl, by the way, but
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yeah, you know Brian Schottenheimer order no question wrote the cot tails of his
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dad to get in there. Think about well, I mean he also had
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the Shannans, although the East shan Ann's are pretty good Kyle and Mike,
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but yeah, you're right, I don't put a lot of stock but if
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they want to. But remember, Joe, the one thing about journalism that
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you're finding out pretty much, okay, is this okay, and this is
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where we're going to have some fun the celebrity and the journalists. We haven't
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given up on that one yet. We haven't done it, okay. You
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remember, it's all about the storyline and making the interesting intrigue about the game
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on Sunday night. Even though of all this shows I've ever had you on,
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Joe, and take this as a high, full pledge professional compliment.
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Okay, don't lay back in your turn now, make sure you get up
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a little bit, a little bit of unless Debbie has you in a low
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riding chair. Okay, Like whatever this is, Joe, this is called
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a storyline. Okay, a storyline. You need a storyline of the best
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two teams in the NFC playing games. As a matter of fact, any
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way you can pump ratings. You do it, even whether it's insane or
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not. You never know. It's not me, Joe. Okay. They're
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finding every way to build this game up any way they can. And if
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you and you know darn well that Trey Lanson's name is gonna be mentioned a
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fair amount of time during the broadcast. But I agree. Do I think
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it's stupid? Yes? Do I think that Christian McCaffrey, to me,
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obviously, is a big story. Oh yeah, I mean he was a
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he was an animal and Carolina and then you're sticking with a winner, and
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then what do you have there? So I'm with you. Remember, okay,
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the celebrity and the journalist. Okay, the celebrity that you are acting
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like the now, which is great. This is the best version I've seen
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Joe Ellis tonight. Okay, storylines, and we have to use Brian Schottenheimer
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to do it. It's fine because at least they work their way on the
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Sports Exchange, my friend, and that's why we are talking about it.
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Hey, I'll say this. My favorite one liner about Trey Lance was that
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he looks like Patrick Mahomes in a Hallmark movie about Andy Reid. Well,
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you know what, I'm gonna be all over the map on the topic side.
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So we're gonna go back and forth baseball. We're gonna talk about football
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and then and you know what, I'm gonna save two of the most opinionated
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things were Jacob near the end, so he can light it up because I
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got this show with damnly made for Christ. So but we're gonna get some
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of them. You won't have to comment on these other ones leading to the
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belt up, but you say whatever you want. So we're gonna go to
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Buck Showalter out as New York Mets manager George some thoughts. Well, I
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wasn't totally surprised. I mean, we were talking about this one hundred and
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eight stitches last night Buck's a good guy. He's a class guy. Let's
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face that. The you know, everything that Cohen wanted to do over there
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kind of blew up. Max Suars of the dream of Max Schars are in
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Justin Berlander being on his staff, Oh my god. And then they're both
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gone by mid season. Hey, it's not Buck's fault. I mean,
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you know he wants He's a guy that you need for that take you to
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that pinnacle. That's the guy like a Sparky Anderson, like a Jim Leland
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was in Detroit. You know that's Those are the kind of guys that take
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you to the Promised Land, take you to the playoffs, take you to
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the World Series. Well it didn't happen, and unfortunately for Buck, it
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was time to move on. Good Man though potential Hall of Famer down the
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road. I don't know what his future holds, but they obviously needed a
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younger manager right now because there seemed to be hemorrhaging there, and Mets are
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obviously probably peel back all those huge contracts if they can some of them.
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But no, I wasn't totally surprised that he's gone. Jacob. You know
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something to me, he is in a certain way a Howard Schnellenberger of baseball.
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He built, He built like that. Yeah, he built teams.
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He built outside of this first year in the New York or is the first
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year in New York, and he won one hundred and one game every other
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one he started out with a losing season. He only has a five to
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nine career winning percentage, Like I think it's like five point thirty five for
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Dusty or something, but it's like a five or nine point. But it's
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because he started his he'd have seventy six, sixty five, seventy three wins
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the start, and then he'd go moved back up and then you know,
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and then he leaves. So he was built, he built teams, and
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that was his that's his legacy. But the biggest thing about it now is
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the fact that he's sixty seven years old. They brought him in in the
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first place because guess what the Houston was bringing in Dusty, the White Sox
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are bringing in Laruso. Yeah, and there was specific regardless of what anybody
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would say about so LaRosa, there's the playoff, there was specific even when
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there's a World's a but even before the World's here, there was specific success
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with both with old men, so they're trying to replicate it with bucket Wan
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did buck do one hundred and one wins his first year? One hundred and
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one wins? So you're thinking, okay, they have themselves a chance,
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and then it's a disaster. And really you're sixty seven unless you're sixty eight
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year old. Uh, let's see Texas Rangers filled finished me real quick.
24:40
I'm tired, huh weapons Yeah, no, no, I'm talking about the
24:45
yeah, the never was it? The the manager of the Texas Rangers was
24:48
the Giants. Thank you, I'm tired, I'm sorry, but no,
24:53
Bochie Boaching sixty eight years old. He had retired, he had he had
24:59
three straight losing seasons at the three World Series. And he comes back and
25:03
he gets to the playoffs regardless. Ye, and he's winning now. But
25:07
this comes at a time when everybody been bringing back the old the old game,
25:12
you know the ones that were winning. You know that was proven and
25:18
he was there for a bit. But the issue with it isn't Dusty would
25:22
be no different if something would happen to Houston. You don't want to build
25:25
anymore. You're old, you're older, you'd rather be you still love the
25:30
game, you'd rather be a scout. That wouldn't surprise me if Dusty,
25:34
after however long he lasts, has like a cane the shape of a baseball
25:37
bat and go and goes around and does some scouting or whatever because he loves
25:41
the game so much. But he gets to go home at night, and
25:45
he'll get the whole go home at night, and it wouldn't shock me to
25:48
see something in the Dusty do that, And it definitely won't shock me to
25:51
see fuck do that. He'll always be around the game. People are gonna
25:55
remember his skill, he's gonna remember his legacy. You just get older and
25:59
then you don't want to burn it up. I mean, you got to
26:00
remember, there's like twelve straight years of the Connie mac being bad before he
26:06
retired. But he was the old state leader of the eighty eight when he
26:10
retired in the passed. That's just the difference. You can't do that anymore
26:14
though, with all this the internet. Right before I go into Joe,
26:17
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26:59
continue on about Buck Showalker. The first thing I ever covered in sports was
27:03
the Baltimore Oreo spring training and it was the year after Buck left. So
27:10
I had the opportunity to talk with the Beat reporters as we were sitting around
27:12
watching the team practice, and you know, being a Yankee fan loving Buck,
27:17
and I said, oh, you know, what do you think happened?
27:18
And I sat down with Matt Blood, who who hired the coaching staff
27:25
for the organization, you know, and the general consensus is with Buck his
27:30
stick only last a couple of years. He's very hard on everybody. You
27:33
know, he doesn't really develop the It's not like a players type manager,
27:40
you know. It's his way on the highway, old school Tom Coughlin like
27:45
would be a good way of putting it last a few years and then that's
27:48
it. He gets the most out of the guys. You reach the plateau
27:52
of where it's going to be and then it's time to move on. You
27:55
know. He's a great manager. I love the guy. Not shocking,
27:59
you know. Unfortunately that a lot of injuries that just weren't win of this
28:03
year for him to go somewhere else, he'll manage again. He's not done
28:07
managing. Could I end up with the Cubs, maybe the Bronx again,
28:14
who knows, you know, if he wants to manage, which I'm sure
28:18
he will, they'll show up somewhere. I'll get a paycheck and they'll make
28:22
that team better than what they are because he knows the game. Yeah.
28:26
The only thing I want to add to this because you guys have done really
28:27
good John covering it. I lived in Phoenix, Arizona, and I remember
28:30
that Buck Showalter is the one that built the Diamondbacks from scratch and laid down
28:36
the foundation for the Diamondbacks to win the two thousand and one World Series,
28:40
and Bob Brenley got the ring and Buck Showalter did the dirty work, as
28:44
in Howard Stellenberger. Will leave it on that. But that said, we're
28:48
going to talk about yet another manager, and we should. On Sunday,
28:51
we talked about Miguel Cabrera's final day, but I'm not so sure we've seen
28:56
the final chapter of what's going to have Berry frank Cone, his retirement,
29:00
his legacy as a player and a manager. He won two World Series titles
29:04
with the Boston Red Sox. So this is a two part question for each
29:07
of you. Okay, number one, how would you define Terry Francona's legacy?
29:15
And then and I don't think he's gonna be retired. I think personally
29:18
he was tired of He needed a break. Is when he needed. He's
29:22
been managing in Cleveland for a long time, and he obviously knows he probably
29:27
did as much as he could do there. But I have a feeling he's
29:30
going to manage again. But I think he needs about a year or two
29:33
off and I'll put him in the Bruce Poachi category. So I've laid out
29:37
the groundwork there. So George, you know the two part question. Please
29:41
give me your answer to it. Well, Terry's legacy, I believe is
29:45
a positive one, is a good one. They were in Detroit, as
29:49
you guys know, to close out the season, and the Tigers did a
29:55
nice thing. They sat AJ Hinch down and AJ did a testimony and they
30:00
played it between the top of the first and the bottom of the first.
30:04
I thought it was a real nice gesture and and that just shows me there's
30:10
a lot of respect. Terry Francone has the respect obviously of his peers,
30:15
but more importantly of his team Cleveland. I mean, he he obviously you
30:25
know, you want to win the big prize and and you know they didn't
30:27
do it. But all that being put aside, he got the most out
30:32
of those players. He always got the most out of his players, whether
30:34
it was Boston or Cleveland, wherever he was. And I respected him for
30:40
that, I really did. And you know, Scott, I know you're
30:44
making that assumption, but I don't know. With his health lately, I
30:48
don't know if he wants to grind anymore of managing. But like you said,
30:52
maybe after a year or two weeks off, you know, we'll see
30:56
what happens. But you know, you know, he's had so many health
30:59
scare and I know that he's probably looking forward to that break. But I
31:03
just want to let you know that. And I'm not just bragging about Aj
31:06
Hinch. It could have been any city that Cleveland played their final series and
31:10
that probably would have did the same thing. But to me, it showed
31:12
a lot of respect. He took out the lineup card he and Aj.
31:15
We're talking to the umpires on Sunday, you know, his final lineup card.
31:19
You know, they're laughing and and schmucking it up with our with our
31:23
boy Hernandez and one of one of Jacob's favorite umpires. I know, Wick,
31:32
Okay, okay, I'm done with Hernandez for now. But yes,
31:34
Scott, I I do think he's going to be His legacy is solid.
31:40
His legacy is solid. I'm just not sure he's going to manage again right
31:44
away. Well, I say right away, I said, give me a
31:47
year or two off once you miss it. After a while, you had
31:48
to get your health strained out. If anybody else knows me. I certainly
31:52
had to deal with some things and step back and focus on you come back
31:56
feeling better than you're a lot stronger. So yeah, I mean the reality
32:00
in this situation as not only was he pretty solid player, but a better
32:02
manager. And it shows that if you could break the curse in the World
32:07
Series in Boston of all places, it's only me wrong. Boston is a
32:08
great sports sound but that was a pressure cooker of a job and he did
32:12
it. Then that says a lot about him. And he's won everywhere else.
32:15
He won in Philadelphia, right, and then he's won with Boss.
32:19
He's won everywhere. So but that said, Jacob, well you know something,
32:23
I'm going to say this, who knows if he's going to this time?
32:28
Because Tim Wakefield just died fifty seven years old. He's he's managed him,
32:34
he had managed it. It's like, this is this is the thing
32:37
health and it was a brain tuber and it's like it's health that you think
32:40
about and it's like, so that could really weigh in on him that he
32:44
needs to take a break on this. But at the same time, he's
32:47
taken a couple of years off two different times, three different times. He
32:52
took it off. The first time for four years when he after the horriblest
32:55
stretch of the Phillies, gets four years, goes to the to the reds
33:00
He goes to the Red Sox, takes two years off, goes to the
33:02
Indians, then you know slash Guardians. He does this, but he does
33:07
do this so he can watch his ouse. The big thing is will he
33:09
come back? Who knows. But here's the thing. His legacy is more
33:13
than solid. You realized he had eighteen straight winning seasons. Wow, eighteen
33:19
straight. Not even Dusty, because Dusty had the bad season and he had
33:22
the bad season in Chicago and then the first bad season in Cincinnati before he
33:28
got the couple of the division titles. So it's like, not even Dusty,
33:31
who's an all time great, eighteen straight waiting season before this final bad
33:36
year this year. So after starting out with four straight bad seas, it
33:39
could have been Dale Swain, could have been Dale Sway. Takes four years
33:44
off, gets a refresher on what managing is, which we were talking about
33:47
with David Ross on Confidential JB. What he needed to find him. Maybe
33:52
he could take a deep breath and go to the miners learn to day anything
33:57
and come back, you know, like I said, because the Frank Kna
34:00
obviously did this. He found a way somewhere because he went from miserable to
34:04
an all time great. Sometimes it takes a break, something that takes a
34:08
switch in your head. Something happened with Francona where he never lost again until
34:14
this year. And is it and that eighteen straight years? How many do
34:19
that? Like we brought Connie Macker earlier. I think he did in the
34:22
middle of his career in like twelve to thirteen final bad seasons. But I'm
34:27
saying, but he also was a manager for forty seven years or something ridiculous
34:32
number. But how many of these guys? It is very hard to win
34:37
in one hundred and sixty two games and stay good all the time, keep
34:42
everybody motivated. It's one hundred and sixty two games. And I mean the
34:45
Buck Showalder's like, you're one of the all time greats. And I'm like,
34:49
he'd start out bad and he built the team, but not eighteen straight
34:53
seasons winning before this one. That's and then got two World Series one to
35:00
another. That's Hall of Fame worthy if I ever heard it. Okay,
35:07
Joe listen. I mean Terry Francota, great guy, a Yankee finn he
35:15
broke the Red Sox curse and I still like him. So I mean,
35:19
if that doesn't tell you enough about where he is as far as likability,
35:24
you know, and sometimes you need some time off, you know. You
35:29
know, I would have loved to have seen him winning Cleveland. You know,
35:31
it'd have been a great story. He's one of the best managers of
35:36
the game, you know. And what he wants to manage again, they'll
35:39
get a job. There's plenty of jobs out there. There's you know,
35:43
always someone that's looking for a new manager, especially someone has improven track record.
35:49
So when he's ready to manage, there'll be a job that's his.
35:52
I don't think he'll stay out, maybe logan than a year or two.
35:55
But you need a break after you do it for so many years in a
35:58
row. The grind of an ab up season. No other sport compares to
36:01
that. One hundred and sixty two games over the course of five and a
36:07
half months, with very few walk days. That's why it's so hard to
36:10
be a baseball player and a manager, usually twenty to thirty years older.
36:16
You know, the travel, the time, away from the family. It's
36:20
not an easy thing. Yeah, you know. Well no, by the
36:23
way, Joe, don't forget spring training. Okay, you have that.
36:25
Yeah, if you're lucky enough to get to the playoffs, you can take
36:28
the one to sixty two and add tack to it, right, okay,
36:30
exactly. And those are high pressure situations. It's not you know, we're
36:35
sixty and one hundred. Who cares, right, you know, more power
36:40
to you. All Right, Well, you know what I'm gonna I'm going
36:43
to say the most controversial topics, the ones who will get Jacob going at
36:46
the very end. So I've got one more we're going to slide in,
36:50
and then I've been to realize that I'll be sixty one by the time Jacob
36:53
Chrisner gets done talking about these two. Stay tuned, they're coming up in
36:59
a second. You'll be sixty five whatever. Foor more, no idea.
37:07
The New York NFL teams quarterback situation. Which one gets fixed? Daniel Jones,
37:10
who by the way, got sacked eleven times against Seattle. Zack Wilson
37:15
of the Jets actually played pretty good against Kansas City, all right, George?
37:19
Which one gets fixed if one both are neither. Well, Zach has
37:22
shown me a little bit more promise, but obviously Jones is the better quarterback
37:29
of the two. It'll be interesting to see because you know, they got
37:34
their hands full going down to Miami. Now the Giants this Sunday, so
37:38
it's going to be really difficult for them to They need to bounce back,
37:43
with no question about it. Both teams too. Obviously, both the New
37:46
York teams both lost. They're both on national television like twenty five for thirty
37:51
thirty hours apart same stadium. I thought it was kind of an interesting,
37:55
uh juxtaposition those two games were played so close to each other and in the
38:00
same stadium. But all that being said, Zach has shown some signs of
38:05
approvement. I will give him that, but I still think Jones is the
38:07
better quarterbacks. I would say that hopefully, you know, but again,
38:10
you can't let your quarterback get sack eleven times. I mean, my goodness,
38:15
I mean, you know it's not his fault for crying out loud.
38:19
They got to get some better offensive lineman, and where you going to get
38:22
those? You know, you have injuries, and you had this and then
38:23
you didn't you didn't beef up your line when you should have last off season
38:28
or whatever excuses you the Giants want to give. But I will say this,
38:32
I still think Jones obviously is better than Wilson and Wilson and his defense
38:37
wasn't even supposed to play much this year for the Jets, but he has
38:39
shown some improvement the last game or two. Jacob Daniel Jones's contract is an
38:45
absolute albatross. I don't get it. I do not. They've literally showed
38:51
a side by side deal. He has the same numbers as Mitchell Trubisky,
38:55
who's about to get three or four more games right now. In to add
39:00
to that in Pittsburgh at eight million a year, this is forty million.
39:07
This is forty million to be this ridiculous. I mean, the biggest thing
39:13
with the thing is he was not even that good last year at thirty two
39:15
hundred yards. What do you agree this? This is what I talked about.
39:20
This is the melt Tucker of quarterbacks. You get one good year and
39:23
then you have to rush it. You have to rush it to go get
39:27
him and put them pop it in. No, you really don't. And
39:30
this is what happens with the Bears. It's like they panic and they make
39:34
stupid decisions. You were already winning, and now you've lost fourteen going to
39:37
be about the fifteenth straight tomorrow. You're about to do that because you hustle,
39:43
you worried, and you panicked. You can take your day time here
39:47
and it's like nice. You're listening to fans too much, and it's gonna
39:51
say that you're listening to it. You're listening to their booing. Daniel Jones
39:54
did not need forty million, did not need them bring him down. He
39:59
wasn't that kind of quarter of As far as Zach Wilson goes, he plays
40:04
good. He plays good for one reason only. It's when daddy's in town.
40:07
That's from Aaron Rodgers. That's his dad, and that's his dad.
40:10
That's his daddy, and it's like it's a mentor and I'm good for see,
40:17
I know very well about that Aaron Rodgers. He's got a kind of
40:22
he's kind of a jerk, he's kind of with he's kind of brought within.
40:24
But you know something, he took this kid under his wing when everybody's
40:29
hating on him. I think he gets it. I think he gets it
40:31
with He's probably had that more than once. In his life. He sees
40:35
he sees he sees sort of a blonde, smart ass kid, even though
40:38
Aaron Rodgers was never blonde. He sees a smart ass kid with a lot
40:43
of confidence but then the wrong way and probably wants to get him his confidence
40:46
properly. And you know, and this, this is what you need to
40:50
do. But here's what I'm gonna say. Take that stupid book out of
40:52
here, and take that stupid book out of Hackett's hands and give it to
40:55
Aaron. If he's gonna be gone the rest of the year, let me
40:59
call it, because he was calling it anyway when Hackett was there, right,
41:04
Hacket, Like Hackett doesn't call plays. He makes his cappuccino. He
41:07
makes Aeron's cappuccino. He doesn't do anything for Aaron Rodgers. So just take
41:10
that book out of his hand and give it to Aaron. All right,
41:16
Joe, you got a tough one to follow. This guy's on fire with
41:19
his one liners. But keep keep it rolling. Listen. Zach Wilson's only
41:24
plague because the unfortunate injury to Aaron Rodgers. So he's irrelevant. He'll be
41:30
gone. The Jets are stuck with him this year as far as Daniel Jones,
41:37
the Giants refuse to pay the MVP of the offense who happens to get
41:42
hurt almost every year, and when he's not of the game, the offense
41:45
looks even worse. And imagine what he could do if they had an offensive
41:50
line. I forget about Daniel Jones. Barkley is by far one of the
41:53
best running backs of the game because all his yards come with out an offensive
41:58
line. Now, secondly, you gave Daniel Jones forty million dollars and he
42:04
figured how to play football because the lie was pretty much the same last year.
42:08
You know, it hasn't gotten that much worse. The man forgot what
42:13
color his team's jerseys are. Instead of throwing the ball away, he's throwing
42:17
it to the defense. He is by far the worst quarterback in the NFL.
42:22
You know, Bears fans and everyone's talking about where they're going to bench
42:28
justin fields. I'll gladly give up a second round pick today and sent him
42:31
to New York because him and Barkley together would actually turn that offense into something
42:37
decent. Players, you know what, hold your thoughts because that's coming up
42:42
in a second. Stay on point, because you've fallen into the GMTA situation
42:46
here. Okay, so it's not like you've gone ahead and taken your eyes.
42:52
Mister Ellison started looking at my information. So talking about talking about this
43:00
for over a week. Because Daniel Jones is the worst quarterback in the NFL.
43:05
He watching a Giant game. The only way I can enjoy it is
43:10
to either a have the team that plays against the Giants of the suicide goal
43:16
or you know, some sort of parlay against the Giants. And because I
43:22
know they're not going to win, and if they happen a well, I'll
43:24
be so ecstatic that it's okay to lose money because they're that bad. They
43:29
are dead that they win, It's okay, I'd be it. I'd be
43:34
It's so much shocked that they won a game. They are horrible. The
43:38
best they could do at this point of the year is be eight and nine
43:44
when you look at the rest of their schedule. We're Week five, we
43:47
haven't played the fifth game of the year, and the best I can hope
43:51
for my team to do is go eight to nine. You know, Daniel
43:54
Jones, bench him now. I don't care take take the get out of
44:00
Rutgers right now. Let Hi play quarterback may be better. He's don't even
44:04
get me started. No, I think he did a good on your own.
44:08
So let me just come in on this so we can segue to where
44:10
you were headed anyways, all right, and I'm gonna lead off with you
44:15
this next one. I don't think either one's gonna get fixed. It doesn't
44:17
help that Daniel Jones got sacked eleven times. Offensive line or not getting sacked
44:22
eleven times is not a good situation. Zach Wilson. I guess I'll go
44:27
ahead piggyback off of Jacob. You know Aaron Rodgers in town. He wants
44:30
to throw away the playbook from Hackett and let Aaron take over. Maybe there
44:35
is a future for Aaron Rodgers as a coach. If there is, then
44:38
he's certainly getting an opportunity to do it. So I think I don't think
44:42
either situation is gonna get fixed. Well, if he's a coach, If
44:45
he's a coach just making he was just gonna make sure you never got back
44:49
todated or you're not on his team. Yeah, imy and ie, let's
44:52
just forget imanized, all right. So that's that's a really good example.
44:54
But let's I'll say this much. And I just felt bad when you see
44:59
a guy I get sacked eleven times in one game, and yet they continue
45:04
to play this guy. I mean, you know, and that's the biggest
45:07
travesy of the whole thing. So, but Zach Wilson, I will say
45:10
this much. Okay, at least he played a decent game against Kansas City.
45:16
Anyways, what whether this will carry over later, I don't know.
45:20
I'm not going to talk about tonight anyways. I just wanted We're just trying
45:23
to talk about the quarterback situation in the metropolitan New York area as they as
45:30
a lot of bet betters to say it's a push. Neither of them are
45:32
going to get fixed. And the only thing is that the Giants are going
45:36
to pay the paper more so than the Jets because they can wash their hands
45:39
of Zach. We'll send ertainment one, all right. Well, now that
45:44
Joe kind of tiptoed through, the next topic, we're going to talk about
45:47
justin fields, is he fixable? And where would be the best place from
45:52
the land. All right, Joe, you get to lead off and continue
45:53
what I what you had started. Brian Dable, great quarterback coach, Justin
46:00
Fields a lot of talent. Daniel Jones not very talented, easy fix.
46:07
Everybody's happy, well you, Jacob, of course he is because he looks
46:15
good against Denver, even though it's a terrible team. He has skill.
46:20
I say all of this my thing on Justin Fields, and everybody's heard me
46:23
say this part on the pun Dead. They heard me say it on here.
46:27
Everybody say it ad nauseum. I don't have a thing against him.
46:30
He's got a lot of skills, and you can be able to He was
46:34
developed wrong in Chicago. He has developed wrong. They don't have the offensive
46:39
line, they have a terrible front office, they have terrible ownership, and
46:44
then they have delusional fans over and over and over and it's just one brick
46:51
on top of his head to the other. And here's the thing, Okay,
46:54
JB. You want to get the Giants, more than happy to help
46:57
get that there. I also like him here in Atlanta, it's home.
47:00
You get it. Get him with Arthur Smith. That will be the same
47:04
with Dabel. They will both figure out how to be able to get him
47:07
properly, and all of a sudden he'll win two or three straight games.
47:09
You watch, He's lost. He's lost eleven in a row by himself.
47:14
The team's gonna be fifteen tomorrow. So it's like that just wears you out
47:19
at a thing, no matter how good you are. So it's fixable,
47:22
absolutely, it is. Just get him, Just get him. I said
47:25
this to a buddy of mine. Get him with somebody that they will see
47:30
him throw a tight window. He'll get picked off. They'll say to him
47:35
that was a good throw and just a good play. He will blow it
47:37
up because his whole career has basically been skittish, you know, with a
47:44
skittish offensive you know, skittish offensive line, skittish offensive coordinators, everything with
47:50
a bunch of screens, very few slants. He's got a bunch of everything.
47:54
The minute that he makes a mistake and they say to him, oh,
47:58
it's a good play by them, he'll blow it up the league because
48:01
he will have the confidence. George, I don't know where he's going to
48:07
land, guys. I mean you've given a couple of suggestions there, New
48:10
York and Atlanta. I know he's not coming to Detroit. Hey, what
48:15
if Matthew Stafford gets you know, his injuries become more severe? What about
48:21
the Rams? Would they be interested in him? Do you think through them?
48:27
He's playing through them though, and they then running out of time to
48:29
pick him up. Yeah, I know that he's playing through them, but
48:31
there might not be a lot of a huge window for him to keep playing
48:36
through them. But no, I I yeah, it's just not working out.
48:39
Let's face it, Come on now, it's not the Bears, it's
48:43
not just fields, but it's just the whole picture. There is just bad,
48:49
bad, bad. I mean, and Jacobs talked about it on so
48:53
many shows, the situation and how bad it is there in New York in
48:57
Chicago. New York's not much better. But I really think, yeah,
49:01
he needs a change of scenery. Matthew Stafford needed that change of scenery.
49:06
I know, I'm comparing apples and oranges, and he got it. And
49:08
Jared Goff needed that change of scenery and Detroit got him. I mean,
49:13
there are some times when that works, but I seriously think they got to
49:19
move the guy and it's got to be obviously a win win for both teams.
49:24
Yeah, you know, amazingly enough, when I thought about this topic,
49:28
the first destination I thought he should go to was the Atlanta Falcons.
49:32
I really do believe it, and obviously that's where he's from anyways, and
49:37
I think that the Falcons don't. I don't know how far you're going to
49:39
go with Desmond River, but I think that justin Yeah, but when I
49:45
knew that Jacob talked about Atlanta in his backyard, I could have made a
49:51
bet my last dime here that you would have gone out there and mentioned it.
49:55
And boy, my instincts were extremely right about you, Jacob. Yeah,
49:59
I think the Atlanta fl for sure. So yeah, and I would
50:01
just bring it up to JB I helping him get him to the Giants,
50:06
because the Giants he the thing he's got. Brian Dabele Dable would be able
50:09
to do so much more with a guy like this. Well you're talking about
50:13
it. You're talking about a guy that has extreme mobility with his legs,
50:17
and if you find a way to have a good offensive coordinator that can get
50:22
his passing game in decent shape with good receivers, and you're better off that
50:25
way. Think about it. There's a team in Chicago so dysfunctional that they're
50:29
willing to let Chase Claypool go. I don't know if he's a head case
50:31
or what. He is, but they don't have many great receivers and now
50:35
you might as let him go for whatever reason. So we'll go from there,
50:37
all right. The other our final topic of the night is one that
50:40
we know Jacob is going to like. As we've talked about a lot of
50:44
different shows, but this was pretty interesting. And as much as I have
50:47
a hard time with Steven A. Smith once in a while, I will
50:51
say this. He may be a little loud for my taste, but his
50:54
research is off the charts. That's why I decided to incorporate it tonight.
50:59
James Hard nearly got a max deal from Houston, but when he told Rockets
51:05
coach Im Udoka to be then he wanted to be a scoring champion. Champion,
51:09
Houston rescinded the offer. All right, George, I'll start off with
51:13
you. The continuing saga continues, Oh my god, who wants to be
51:21
a scoring champion? Huh? Oh, of course, putting himself first,
51:27
putting himself about the team. Oh, that doesn't sound any different than the
51:32
Hard and I've followed and known these past several years. Obviously, the guy
51:37
is just he's a head case. To me. He's not a team player.
51:42
We've talked about it and boil boy, it just continues on. You
51:46
know, you got to put that kind of stuff aside, especially you're a
51:50
veteran. You're supposed to be a leader, a veteran bringing these young guys
51:53
and working with these young guys that your team is drafting and signing as free
51:58
agents. I mean, we got a whole young team in Detroit. We
52:01
don't have anybody like Harden obviously to make a comment like that. But all
52:06
I'm saying is that even if you're a veteran and you may want to add
52:08
that to your resume, a scoring title or how about an NBA championship,
52:15
then you know you can't. You can't put yourself above You cannot. Roddy
52:22
pouts is the best answer for it. He's laughing. Hey, Rodnie thinks
52:28
be a part of the broadcast stuff all through. There you go, But
52:31
we like the laughs here. But you know, Ronnie was gonna apply these
52:35
laughs and James Harden, I'm sure you're handled that with good taste. Go
52:37
ahead, Georgia, if you're if you're gone, I'm all said, I'm
52:40
gone. We got to go to Jacob Chrisner. How many times we're talking
52:44
about you said, give me the mister opinion side of James Harden. I'm
52:55
thinking of Bobby the brain heat and one of his w C what do you
52:59
laughed the whole day when he left to hold this segment James Harden entitled,
53:05
nah, I can't let me tell you. Let me tell you. Though
53:10
I did this before Sideline Sports, because I was hired at Sideline Sports,
53:15
I was doing this. I did is ten years earlier. This is a
53:17
number eleven. I went after James Harden number eleven where I said you're not
53:23
gonna win a title with him. Ever those days I was laughed at.
53:30
I was like, how the world do all that kind of stuff like that?
53:34
Oh, he's just a sidekickaway. Guess what now, everybody's following my
53:42
lead. I've been saying Jab's heard me say it ad nauseum. Everybody's Sidelines
53:47
Sports, I heard me say it ad nauseum. People on Twitter heard me
53:51
say it ad nauseum. Facebook, everything. You don't win with this guy.
53:57
He is a petulant child. He's a fifteen year old that you took
54:00
away his phone, and he has a beer. And the biggest thing is
54:06
he he's never going to change with something like this. He hangs out with
54:12
the baby or dad baby or whatever the hell today's name is, hangs out
54:15
with that and he goes to strip clubs all the time with peaches and cream
54:20
or whatever the they are. And he goes to China and then makes fun
54:23
of Maury and goofiness. He's he's ridiculous. He'll never change. You got
54:30
to win, you have to have a level of maturity. Even Dennis Rodman
54:34
had they brought Dennis Rodman was Dennis Rodman was a he was a marketing genius.
54:40
I'm just saying this right. But he understood the maturity it took in
54:45
the work it took to win. He did his one thing great, his
54:51
rebounding, his defense, two things great. He did those things that he
54:55
understood the maturity. It takes a maturity to win at all. Harden will
55:00
never have it. Okay, JB. And here you are. Hey,
55:09
JB. I don't handle sign language very good. But when the mute button
55:13
is on, but I know you and I will have learned a different aspect
55:16
of communication. There you go. But that's exactly the topic. James Harder,
55:22
who cares. Okay, so this is oh, so this is the
55:27
this is my design now that he had it on there, because I've never
55:30
realized you can use a mute button that way. All the things you'll learn.
55:36
So let me set this straight. Jb Ellis tonight decides to use a
55:42
mute button like they do on Pardon the interruption, Okay or no, not
55:45
part of the interruption? Yeah, what's the other one? Forget about the
55:49
partner. That's a good one. Uh around the horn? There you go,
55:52
There you go. He's using the around the horn mute button to mute
55:57
himself because he don't care about James too much. I don't care if I
56:00
ever won a championship. He hasn't been like one of the top players like
56:05
four years. He needs to just shut up and play be better. That's
56:08
all help his team earn his money. That's really all that comes down to.
56:14
Besides for that, who cares he wanted to go to Brooklyn to play
56:17
with Dora and Kyrie. You know the three cry babies that the that should
56:23
assault the T shirts, the three cry babies, they're all god doubt,
56:28
thank god, Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a lot clearer place now, you know
56:32
the three losers. Glad they're all out of there. You know, none
56:37
of them could win. The other way Day could win is if he goes
56:40
at Hags out with Curry and he's still a loser. But you know,
56:45
these guys, there's at least Deray could say he's a good basketball player and
56:51
he you know, he can make a team better. The other two and
56:55
Hearten, what does he do? He used to be good, you know,
57:00
I mean, I don't know that would be like that's a correct word.
57:04
Used to be yeah, exactly, Well he was really really good with
57:07
bad maturity problems. Now he's bad with bad maturity problems. That's true.
57:13
That's truly a good way to put it, if you like, if if
57:17
Charles Barkley said, you know, I'm going to go out with a scoring
57:21
title, at least I care I like Charles. Does anyone really like James
57:24
Harden? No, that's true. Nobody likes them, and show you really
57:30
number one nobody likes them. Number two is selfish. He's never won anywhere
57:36
and is going to do some really good things that you said, I know
57:38
we will. You know, he's on a mission to turn that culture around.
57:42
He's going to do some unbelievable things there. Walk in there with a
57:45
guy who took the Celtics by the way to the finals, I believe one
57:50
year, right, So he's already got built in credibility in the organization.
57:53
You're telling them I want to win a scoring title over winning. Oh come
57:59
on, James, Not only were you dumb enough to take a lower amount
58:02
and deal with the Sixers or thirty six million dollars thinking you were going to
58:06
get traded to the Clippers, you lost money on that exchange because you could
58:10
have gotten forty some million dollars. Pick it out for another year, and
58:14
then you overplayed your hand. Now you're calling the guy that believed you in
58:17
Houston a liar. Okay, who rescued you? I mean, let's face
58:22
it, James Harden knows when to go ahead and check out because he played
58:25
Daddy's overweight and all that. So you want to talk about the one player
58:30
in pro sports, and I have a lot I don't like, but James
58:34
Harden is definitely at the top of the list. Beard and no beard.
58:37
So you know what, Joe, you are one hundred percent right. I
58:39
mean, seeing wrestling being not liked is a great skill. Jacob does a
58:46
great show at wrestling. You know he would be phenomenal in like the WWE.
58:51
Yeah, but I think one that he would be out six months.
58:53
He can't stay pay. I did say he would be good at the rig.
58:58
I'm saying his personality. You know, he's so likable. I don't
59:02
get it. Just you know, you haven't heard the right to talk.
59:07
What he should do is go see Shadahead and ask Shadahead if they could ask,
59:14
you know, uh lads about winning scoring titles. Maybe they can all
59:19
come together since they're all down in Texas and you know, they can have
59:23
a sleepover at Jerry Jones house. I like it now I'm seeing pictures,
59:30
Jacob get dead cell all the phone. We can write a movie. Absolutely.
59:35
He looks like Kimbo slides without fighting ability, right, he does look
59:40
like Kimbo's life. That is a good one. That Yeah. No,
59:46
you guys have you and Jacob have been on fire all all night tonight,
59:51
so keeping going. I love watching you guys anyways, not that you haven't
59:53
worked together a time or two anyway. Yeah, that's midly putting. So
1:00:00
yeah, James harden to me, you know, when he overplayed his hand
1:00:02
in Houston when he could have gotten to when he's turning out to be is
1:00:07
a bad businessman in every sense of the word. And when and when he
1:00:09
really checks out, he really really really checks out. I mean, think
1:00:15
how many think of how many situations where he's quit and move on somewhere else.
1:00:20
All great, and at the beginning one or two years, everybody talks
1:00:22
about buck Showalter having his short shelf life. What about James Harden. We
1:00:28
got these guys on the same show. We're talking about show Walter, We're
1:00:30
talking about Harden. We're talking about these short shelf lives tonight. He leaves
1:00:37
at least people like him. Well, not only does he leave when people
1:00:40
like him, and most kids in the way situation, he leaves him better
1:00:45
off than he was when he started. Forget the mulligan of a year that
1:00:47
the Mets had. I think that there's no question Buckle land somewhere else.
1:00:52
But James Harden is running out of places to go, and nobody wants him
1:00:55
anyways. You think the La Clippers want to bring him back? Didn't they
1:01:00
bring on? Who was it? Russell Westbrook? Although I like Russell Westbrook
1:01:04
because he's a hard worker, he really is, and he's had a lot
1:01:07
of bad luck in terms of where he's gone but I like where Russell Westbrook,
1:01:10
who, by the way, couldn't play with him either. How many
1:01:14
guys couldn't play with this guy? Have they started a basketball league in an
1:01:16
Arctica yet? Maybe he could be the founding partner and started up. There's
1:01:24
enough for three or three we can send them to. Well, don't China
1:01:37
China either? Yeah, leave China out of this. Okay, yeah,
1:01:43
well, you know he can walk the great Wall, but he'll be darned
1:01:45
if he's gonna be playing great basketball over there. Bad analogy, sorry,
1:01:50
folks, but there's anything. But sometimes James Harden brings the worst out of
1:01:53
everybody because the guy is a scorer when he wants to be and I emphasized
1:02:00
word wants to be. When James Hard's a talented player when he puts his
1:02:04
mind and he's checked in all the way. The only one that really wants
1:02:07
to play with him is Joel Embiid. Don't go ahead and alienate the only
1:02:09
friend you probably have. And now Nick Nurse is stuck with the problem.
1:02:14
So we'll see James Harden. I think when this came across my thing that
1:02:19
he was going to get a max contract but wanted a scoring title. You
1:02:22
can't ignore it. You really can't, because you know it goes back to
1:02:27
I thought you talk about Jacob at the beginning. How many times has Jacob
1:02:30
told us this guy will never win a championship. Well, this is just
1:02:34
a classic evidence that either he won't win one or doesn't want to it somehow,
1:02:37
all about the money. Let's just hope he doesn't end up like Latrell's
1:02:42
free will. Well, remember the thing about is look what he does on
1:02:45
his off times, on his off seasons, and it's all of this.
1:02:49
When you play that much, when you have the well, do you say
1:02:53
Lebron even because he's played so much basketball, Okay, we'll even say him.
1:02:58
Will put him into the thing. We'll put everybody, put Steph Curry
1:03:00
into this, We'll put all of them into it. When you are in
1:03:04
the finals all the time, that's now one hundred games. You sometimes you
1:03:08
sit, sometimes you do all that, remember because of the load management,
1:03:13
which did not exist back in the day. But that's still that many games
1:03:16
going. You've got to have a remember, I say, at ten years
1:03:22
old, it's a dream, At twenty years old, it's work. And
1:03:23
in between about fifteen sixteen, you have to know what you want to do.
1:03:28
It becomes a business now. And I don't think Hard never got the
1:03:31
idea of business, you know, I mean I really don't, because in
1:03:37
business it's called winning. He's trying to have fun all the time. Yeah,
1:03:42
it's fun. It's like you have to win, even if it's you
1:03:45
know, you don't even have to talk about winning. You just have to
1:03:51
not say stupid things. You know, you don't have to alienate yourself.
1:03:57
These guys, they have agents, they have PR people, you know,
1:04:01
Somewhat it's like when you look at somebody like Antonio Brown, you know,
1:04:05
there's obviously some sort of mental issue that prevents him from from having that filter.
1:04:13
Is James hard to have that same issue at times because he has the
1:04:15
people that he pays money to. You know that his PR person, his
1:04:20
agent to tell him what to say and how, you know what, what
1:04:27
he shouldn't be saying because it makes his image look bad. You know,
1:04:30
and listen, it's a business. They're all there to make money, you
1:04:34
know, so you don't want to tarnish your image. And he's basically done
1:04:38
that. So you know, his agent or his PR person should be like
1:04:43
James, forget about talking about scoring titles. Just say you want to be
1:04:47
the best player for the team, which mean you want to be the best
1:04:49
James Harden. You know, the best James Harder was is talented enough to
1:04:54
win a scoring title. I know that. But the problem is he's att
1:05:00
Riley's book, you know, I know it was years ago, best book
1:05:02
I've ever read as far as motivation or anything, the Disease of be If
1:05:09
that doesn't describe James Harder to a T if you ever read it, great
1:05:14
book, James Harden Disease a B. And yeah, and I'll tell you
1:05:19
this, and just think about how much of with Bill Walsh's book about like
1:05:25
coaching and offense. I mean he does some motivation too. So it's like,
1:05:29
and you know how much his teams were team Bill Walsh, everybody doing
1:05:33
their thing, And it's like, and now we see it with and now
1:05:36
we see it with Kyle Shanahan. It's like there are certain coaches that know
1:05:41
how to get things going and get together, but there's sometimes they're just players
1:05:45
that don't want to do it, and they are just they're throwing ten temper
1:05:48
tantrums at the idea of doing it. Yeah, the only thing I'll say
1:05:51
that close it out, because I know obviously you want to wrap it up
1:05:55
tonight. But here's the thing. I don't look for analyst commentators that have
1:06:00
an eye in them. Okay, yes, I understand that they want to
1:06:04
accomplish a lot and make sure that they can get as much as they can
1:06:09
for themselves. I totally understand that, and everybody that sacrifices their time should
1:06:13
maximize that opportunity. But I've always been a firm leaver that your individual accomplishments
1:06:18
come when the team does well. I've always believed in team first. I
1:06:24
second, there might be some people think otherwise, but you know what you
1:06:29
know, unlike basketball, where you can put fifty to eighty points UF on
1:06:31
a given night, every time you deal with a team sport, you get
1:06:35
compensated in a lot of different ways, whether the it's championships paid or whatever.
1:06:40
And you know, I don't know how you run sideline job, but
1:06:43
I assume the team is a big part of what you do over there,
1:06:45
isn't it You want to make sure everybody's in it, Jacob, I think
1:06:48
you can appreciate that analogy, right, team first, non individual George,
1:06:53
and I you know you and I have been preaching this for ages, right,
1:06:57
Oh yeah, And I think that's as you look at this whole topic
1:07:00
in perspective. Ema U Dooka was saying the same thing. I realized scoring
1:07:04
is important to you. It's not like I don't know who you are,
1:07:08
but I'm looking to build a winner based on the team concept. Unfortunately,
1:07:12
overplayed your hand. Now you're in Philadelphia for another year, and I guess
1:07:16
the only soap opera analogy that I will go ahead as a James Harden turns.
1:07:21
Okay, So we'll see. So with that set, all right,
1:07:26
we'll let everybody have an opportunity to see how they get ahold of you?
1:07:30
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1:08:28
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