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Joe Rogan Experience #2368 - Michael Button · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out the Joe Logan Experience Train My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rocking podcast by Nay All Day to see Man.
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  Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, Man Pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: I love your channel, man, it's really great. You're really
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  doing some really interesting videos. When did you get started?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks? Well, I only started the YouTube less than a
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  year ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a bit of a wild ride.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know how I found it. It was
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  like one of them YouTube recommends things. It just popped up,
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  and I don't remember which one it was. It was
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  something on each in history, yeah, and I was like,
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  all right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool. I mean, yeah, I started just
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  under a year ago, but no one started watching until
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  like March and then I think you've seen me just
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  after that point. And it's been a bit of a big,
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  you know, journey since then upwards, and but it's been
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  very exciting and very happy to be his they very
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  excited to be in Austin and yeah, looking forward to
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  talk about some ancient history.
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  Speaker 1: So did you start off on a traditional academic journey
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  and then sort of get sidetracked into a YouTube career?
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  Like how did this work? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Basically, so I studied ancient history at university for four years.
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  And I've always been interested in history. I've done history
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  all the way through, Like I was fascinated about history
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  as a kid and got to the stage of my
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  life when it was, you know, thinking about going to university.
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  So I thought, I'll do ancient history at university and
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  study there for four years, graduated all of that kind
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  of stuff. But there came a point during my degree
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  where I was kind of, you know a little bit
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  I didn't quite agree with the kind of high level
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  ideas regarding the timeline of history and what we're taught
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  about our ancient past. And it wasn't that I disputed
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  anything that I've been taught, and I have like great
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  respect for the people that I met at university and
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  my professors, and I don't dispute anything that we were
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  taught actually on the course. But it was more the
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  kind of high level macro perspective of history that I
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  found myself having more and more questions about.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so what bothered you, Like, what were the questions?
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of the big questions regarding the origins
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  of civilization and how deep civilization goes and how complex
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  human behavior, you know, I thought went way back further
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  into history than what we were being taught. And I
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  wasn't too. I just didn't buy this idea that nothing
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  happened for like vast stretch of time, because it was
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  during my course that they found that modern humans. They
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  made this discovery in Morocco in twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen,
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  I think, and that was when I was at university.
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  Was that denisans so I can't remember this. It's called
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  like the jeb bell Erud site or something like that,
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  but they were modern Homo sapien remains. They thought they
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  were Neanderthal initially because they.
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  Speaker 1: Were so old.
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  Speaker 2: How old were they They're three hundred and fifteen thousand
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  years old. That's kind of like the estimate it goes
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  up to potentially three sixty thousand years old, so they're
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  super old. And yeah, they thought they were initially neanderthalcas
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  of this age, but then they discovered a few more
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  and they were They classified them as Homo sapien. And
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  when I saw that, I was like, how is this
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  not kicking out more of a fuss? Because before them,
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  the oldest Homo sapien remains we had were around two
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  hundred thousand years old, and that had been the case
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  for like a decade or something, and before that it
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  was like one hundred thousand years old. So this discovery
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  pushed back the age of our species by another third,
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  like one hundred thousand years. So I saw that, and
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  I was thinking, like, how are we still basing our
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  kind of idea of history around the fact that nothing
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  happened for you know, three hundred and ten thousand years
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  and then everything happened in like the last you know,
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  ten thousand years since the Neolithic Revolution. I just thought
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  that was odd, because you know, we've been in this
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  anatomically modern form for so long, and yet we were
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  being taught that nothing was nothing had happened until you know,
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  the last ten thousand years, and that didn't make sense
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  to me. So that's kind of where where I started
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  thinking about it. And then we did this module at
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  university I remember called it was called something like or something,
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  and it was all about how in recorded history natural
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  disaster had a big impact on human societies and stuff
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  like that, and how it's small, like tiny changes in
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  climate could massively disrupt human civilization and bring them all
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  crashing down. And the case study they used was something
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  called the Late Bronze Age collapse. Have you ever heard
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  the Late bronzege. Yeah, it's when all these like powerful
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  influential civilizations at the kind of peak of human progress
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  around one thousand BC or simultaneously came crashing down. And
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  no one was quite sure why it was. But the
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  best theory we have is that it's like a kind
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  of combination of climate factors which led to trade disruption,
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  which led to societal unrest, and then all these empires
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  like the hits Ie Empire, the Syrian Empire, that palaces
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  are mice Andy in Greece, the Egyptian New Kingdom, all
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  within a twenty to thirty forty year period, all came
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  crashing down at the exact same time. And I remember
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  being hooked by that. I was like, that's so crazy,
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  Like we don't even know why this happened, but it
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  was like a half degree changing climate. And so I
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  remember starting to research how you know, bad climate had
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  been during history and how bad it had been like
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  these big climactic episodes had been during prehistory, and I
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  started thinking, like, wow, if that had caused all these
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  civilizations to collapse, just like tiny half degree change in
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  climate which caused drought, which led to those civilizations collapsing.
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  Some of the stuff that had been happening during prehistory
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  was so much worse than that, and that got me thinking, like,
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  how do we know that sophisticated human culture hadn't flourished,
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  you know, ten thousand years ago, twenty thousand years ago,
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  one hundred thousand years ago, two hundred thousand years ago,
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  and collapse due to climate change or natural disaster, volcanoes,
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  common impacts, anything like that. And that's kind of what
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  set me on the journey that along with the you know,
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  the discovery of the remains in Morocco, and that really
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  got me thinking about the story we've told regarding our
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  past and how I wasn't quite sure And yeah, that's
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  kind of what made me initially kind of break away
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  from the traditional timeline that we were being taught.
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  Speaker 1: The term prehistory is weird, isn't it, because it's like
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  according to what what we find? Yeah, you know, I mean,
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  how do we know what historical if there was a
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  great cataclysm, like if the Younger Drives impact theory is correct, well,
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  you know, how much history would be written down? What
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  would be left? How would you find it? What would
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  you know, Yeah, you know, we're That's one of the
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  things that disturbs me the most is the arrogance that
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  some academics have to having a definitive understanding of the
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  exact timeline of agriculture, civilization, and then modern humans.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, annoys me. I feel like academics, as opposed to
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  the alternative historians, are kind of more saying we don't know,
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  but here's a potential hypothetical scenario that could be possible,
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  whereas I feel like more mainstream for want of a
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  better word, I don't really like using that, because I
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  don't think there's such thing as a mainstream. It's not
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  like there's a group of people that will collectively decide,
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  but some particularly vocal mainstream kind of historians and scientists
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  seem to claim to know absolute truth about the past,
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  and that's just stupid, like how can anyone know about
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  what happened one hundred thousand years ago, two hundred thousand
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  years ago? And it kind of gets me a little
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  bit rolled up, because at the end of the day,
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  none of us know what happened back then. So I
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  think a lot more possibilities are, you know, possible than
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  what many people appreciate And.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever see there was a video documentary back
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  in the day something about the Mysteries of the Sphinx,
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  and there was this archaeologist that was mocking Graham Hancock's
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  ideas and doctor Robert Shock's ideas about the timeline, saying,
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  you know, talking about things that existed pre ten thousand
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  years and he was saying whatever, it was like laughing,
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  what evidence is there of any civilization from ten thousand
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  years ago? This was literally, I think around the same
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  time that they discovered to go Beckley Teppy, like that
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  this guy was marking it. I think slightly thereafter they
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  discovered go Beckley Teppe, which threw everything into itzy because
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  now you've got something that was absolutely covered they believe
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  intentionally somewhere in the neighborhood of eleven thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Gobeckley Tepe is the biggest kind of
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  smoking gun for at least for the idea that civilization
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  is older and more complex than the traditional model suggests,
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  because obviously, as you say, it's like twelve thousand years
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  old and it's massive megalithic pillars. I mean, you know
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  about Goebecley Tepe. Probably most people listening to this will
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  know about goebeckley Tepe. But it's such a clear sign
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  that sophisticated human culture was present way earlier than the
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  conventional timeline suggests. And I think that at least should
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  throw a monkey wrench into a lot of these people's
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  ideas regarding human civilization and when it began, because clearly
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  the toolkit for civilization existed twelve thousand years ago, So
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  why couldn't it have existed a little bit earlier than that,
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  And why if it existed, then did it then take
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  another six thousand years for it to and ancient Suma,
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  which is the kind of traditional thought to be the
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  earliest civilization. So quebecley Tepe is fascinating. I love it. It's
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  a really interesting site. I think it will one day
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  be classed a civilization. I'm almost certain that when enough
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  time passes, we'll kind of look at that. And because
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  it's a whole culture, the whole tash to Pella culture.
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  There's like fourteen sites at least, and they all have
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  this kind of megalithic architecture, they all have shared symbolism,
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  they all clearly connected. Like it's crazy how it's not
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  defined as anything other than hunter gatherers. And even if
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  you think that hunter gatherers built Qebecley Tepe, then you
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  need to massively update the definition of what a hunter
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  gatherer is because clearly they had surplus. They weren't just
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  building these sites in their spare time. And yeah, it's
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  it's a truly paradigm shifting site. But I mean, I
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  mean everyone kind of knows about Quebecley Teppe, now.
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  Speaker 1: Not everyone, but also as spectacular as what they've discovered
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  so far is they have only unearthed five percent, which
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  is even more bizarre. Yeah, because you've got so much
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  stuff that's underground, you have no idea what's on those pillars.
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  You know, there's speculation that one of the pillars from
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  Gobecley Toby that is unearthed is some sort of a
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  calendar of events, and they believe that it depicts some
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  sort of a disaster like that. These whatever, how they
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  they're making these images to be associated with either an
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  impact or something. But there's a timeline that's inscribed in
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  these pillars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a study that was written or a
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  paper that was written, and they think it's the pillar
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  forty three. I think it is it's kind of like
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  a cosmic calendar, and it's like almost a prediction model
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  of an impact that could happen already has happened, and
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  it's like a warning for the future that I mean
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  that is still disputed, but I mean there's been good
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  research that's done into that that suggests that's what it is.
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  And it's certainly a site that has cosmic alignments and
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  has been with the stars in mind, which is something
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  that we can say about so many ancient sites around
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  the world, which is another thing that isn't really considered
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  by you know, quote unquote mainstream archaeology perhaps as much
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  as it should be. So yeah, it's a fascinating site
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  and I really think it displays a lot about how
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  human ingenuity and civilization. I mean, people get a bit
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  stuck with the word civilization because we have this very
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  narrow definition of what civilization is and basically based on
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  the old model of Mesopotamia, which is ancient sum Man
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  because that was the earliest known civilization for so long,
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  we kind of constructed this whole idea about what a
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  civilization is purely based on Mesopotamia. But I don't see
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  why that has to be what civilization is because that
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  was just one civilization, and just because that was the
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  earliest one we'd found for a long time and still
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  is thought of as such, doesn't mean that that's the
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  only way that humanity can flourish. Because humans are so adaptable.
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  We do so many different things, and we're clever in
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  different ways, and we you know, changed to different environments.
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  And I think that definition has really kept a lot
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  of people kind of boxed in when thinking about how
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  sophisticated human culture could flourish in different places, in different
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  environments and with different pressures. And I think that's kind
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  of forced people to not consider what other possibilities are
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  out there.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's even more fascinating if you consider the
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  fact that ancient sumer and you know that part of
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  the world from about six thousand years ago is where
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  they're sort of hanging their hat saying that this is
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  the birthplace of civilization. But if you do have this
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  evidence of go Beckley Tepe, and then we are talking
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  about some sort of an ancient civilization that lived twelve
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  thousand years ago, Like what happened? What happened? Like what
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  was the gap between that? And then it took six
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  thousand years before they started civilization back up again, sort
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  of a reimagining of civilization, which makes you re at
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  least makes me really consider the possibility of a cataclysm
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  because if the people that survived, whatever they would be,
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  you know, I mean, they would probably be living off
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  the land, they'd probably be barely getting by and barbaric
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  for a long long time. And if it really took
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  six thousand years to kind of like settle down again,
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  that is fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it it all ties into this idea that
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  we've had that agriculture leads to civilization. But there's that
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  bizarre thing that, you know, agriculture appears in multiple different
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  places at pretty much the exact same time all over
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  the world. And that's never made sense to me, because
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  if agriculture was such a kind of vital invention for
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  civilization to flourish, then why did no one invent it
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  for you know, three hundred and ten thousand years right?
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  And then in South America, in Mesopotamia, in ancient China,
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  And you could argue there's other different places that they
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  say there's like South America and their Central America. I mean,
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  you could argue that's potentially connected, but a lot of
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  people say it isn't. So how can agriculture, if it's
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  such an incredible invention, be invented by multiple people at
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  the same time and then but no one else thought
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  of it before. It doesn't make sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense.
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  They wouldn't figure out seeds, Like, how do you not
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  know eventually that these seeds are dropping and then you
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  see seedlings that are coming out of the ground. Just
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  that seems pretty logical, an easy connection. And then you'd say, oh, well,
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  if we gather these seeds and go plant them over there,
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  you know, maybe we can get some fruit trees over here. Yeah. Oh,
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  look at that. It worked like that, doesn't that seems
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  like you'd figure that out in one lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's odd, but I think the idea is,
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  the idea always has been that it's because of the climate. Right, So,
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  because of the Holo scene, which is which began around
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  twelve thousand years ago, as we came out of that
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  and we had kind of stable climate conditions that we
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  still live in today, that's what enabled the invention of agriculture, right.
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  And the question I always ask is what about all
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  the other warm periods that have come in the past. If,
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  as the idea is that, you know, stable climate led
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  to agriculture, then why couldn't such a thing have happened
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  in the Eemian period one hundred and twenty thousand years ago?
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  Or there's been four distinct warm periods that have lasted
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  for like over ten thousand years while modern humans have
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  been around at least And obviously these Morocco remains of
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  Homo sapiens, it's unlikely they're the earliest Homo sapiens that
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  ever lived. They're just the earliest we've found, so we
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  could be even older than that. So considering we've been
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  through four distinct warm period before the Holocene, and if
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  the argument is that the Holocene was what led to
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  the invention of agriculture due to the stable climate, then
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  why couldn't it have happened in the earlier warm periods.
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  That's a question I've always asked myself and been fascinated by.
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  Speaker 1: And the real problem is there would be very little evidence,
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  if any.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the preservation problem, and this is
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  something I talk about in my videos. So I kind
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  of always ask the question, like, what if human culture
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  had flourished in the Emian, for example, which was from
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  one hundred and thirty to one hundred and fifteen thousand
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  years ago, what realistically would survive Because it's it's such
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  a vast, vast length of time that it's really unlikely,
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  at least as far as I can tell. And obviously
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  I'm not a scientist. I'm not like a you know,
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  a material so I'm not any kind of I'm just
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  a guy. I'm not even a historian technically, But as
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  far as I can tell, it's extremely hard for these
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  for any materials, but even our modern materials, in our
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  huge civilization that you know, eight billion people, industrial society,
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  sending rockets to space, you know, all the crazy stuff
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  that we're doing, even us, if we disappeared tomorrow, I
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  think it would be extremely unlikely that pretty much anything
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  would survive when you get up to these huge time
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  scales of like one hundred thousand years. And so I've
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  been doing quite a lot of you know, research into this,
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  and because I don't, I obviously don't want to you know,
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  get things wrong and put falseoods out there and mislead people.
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  I don't want to look like a dickhead in front
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  of like and by millions fever or whatever. So I've
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  been trying to like, you know, debunk myself or play
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  Devil's advocates to myself on this point, because you know,
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  that's the best way to make your argument air tight.
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  And no one's really out there debunking me. I don't
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  know if that's because I'm right, because like, no one
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  knows me. Maybe that would change after a show like this.
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  But I've been really looking into the kind of degradation
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  of modern materials as much as I can, and trying
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  to work out how much would survive from a civilization
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  like hours if we disappeared tomorrow in one hundred thousand
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  years time.
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  Speaker 1: So if you get like someplace like London or Manhattan, Yeah,
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  what would be left in one hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Yearsah of like an actual modern city. And the scary
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  truth is it's it's almost nothing like they're really as
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  far as I can tell.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously buildings they were just deteriorate.
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  Speaker 2: They would get they would go like concrete would crack
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  and you get CO two in there and freeze thore
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  weathering and over these huge time scales of like five
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  thousand years ten thousand years, it would just crumble down
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  into dust and be absolutely imperceptible.
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  Speaker 1: Ten thousand years, I think.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously these I mean, I'm just doing this off
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  the top of my head. I haven't got any notes
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  in front of me or anything. But as far as
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  I can tell from my research, it's gonna be a
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  few like ten thousand years, twenty thousand years max. It's
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  not gonna get up to these timescales of one hundred
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  thousand years.
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  Speaker 1: So if you do add in, if you think about
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  what Manhattan would look like in one hundred thousand years,
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  it's almost nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I would say it was nothing to be nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It would just get overrun by trees.
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  Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, because there's just there's it's just such an
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  incredible amount of time that all these materials that we
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  build with are just gonna corrode and they're gonna they're
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  gonna rust away. If their metals, they're gonna oxidize, they're
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  gonna flake until they're just tiny little fragments that just
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  disperse in the sedimentary record and they're just invisible to see.
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  And same with concrete, it's same with even things like glass.
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  I've heard a lot of people say that glass would
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  potentially survive because glass is a you know, it's a
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  very durable material, and glass would survive a long time.
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  But glass in the form of a human made recognizable
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  art fact isn't going to survive in that form. It's
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  going to get crushed, It's going to break away into
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  tiny little nano fragments, into silica grains that are just
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  invisible in the kind of archaeological record when you get
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  up to these huge levels of time, and yeah, I
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  mean there's I would say almost nothing would survive that long.
• 19:18
  And again with the caveat that. I'm just some random
• 19:20
  dude who's investigated this on the internet and research this myself,
• 19:23
  not a scientist. If anyone out there is a material scientist,
• 19:26
  I encourage them to reach out to me. But as
• 19:29
  far as I can tell, there are very few things
• 19:31
  that could possibly survive that long. I mean, we're pretty
• 19:35
  crazy fucking apes, like we do crazy shits, So things
• 19:38
  like nuclear weapons, Like we test nuclear weapons in the atmosphere.
• 19:41
  You could argue, if we knew when to look and
• 19:44
  what to look for, we could see traces of plutonium
• 19:46
  in the atmosphere from our nuclear weapons testing, or you
• 19:49
  could see on nuclear waste deposits all things like carve stone,
• 19:53
  because stone obviously survives a very long time. Human carve stone,
• 19:56
  you'd be able to find that, but we do find that.
• 19:58
  We find, you know, stone tool. But just because ancient
• 20:01
  humans use stone tools doesn't mean they didn't use anything else.
• 20:05
  It's just stone is the most likely thing to survive.
• 20:07
  And the crazy thing is like, do you, Joe, do
• 20:11
  you know how many sites we have Homo sapien sites
• 20:13
  from more than one hundred thousand years ago. Nine We
• 20:18
  have nine sites, nine glimpses, nine snapshots into over two
• 20:22
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• 20:26
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• 20:30
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  free of Whoop check it out. And where are they?
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  Mostly Africa? And so what do they find, Like, what
• 21:41
  is the evidence?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: It's usually capes and it's usually just you know, remains
• 21:45
  of five pits and stone tools on that's the kind
• 21:48
  of it. And so we see that and we think, okay,
• 21:50
  they just lived in caves and new stone tools, right,
• 21:53
  but it's nine sites, nine moments in time for two
• 21:55
  hundred thousand years.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Well, the problem is there's people that essentially live like
• 21:59
  that right now now in some parts of the world,
• 22:02
  which is really weird, right, because we always want to
• 22:04
  think about technology and advancement of civilization being sort of universal,
• 22:10
  but it's really not. You know, there's people that are
• 22:13
  living a subsistence lifestyle right now. There's people that are
• 22:17
  uncontacted right now at.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: The same time as Elon must send it, Yes, rockets
• 22:21
  to Mars and shit, right.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the weirdest ones is when you see
• 22:25
  them get invaded in the Amazon, when you see them
• 22:28
  contact these people and they're pointing bows and arrows at
• 22:31
  helicopters and you know they're naked.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Well, we're so adaptable. Humans could do so
• 22:36
  many different things. And as you say, right now, we're
• 22:38
  sending rockets to space and people are living in very
• 22:41
  traditional ways of life, and that just because we find
• 22:44
  traditional ways of life in a repeat nine sites to
• 22:47
  couple two hundred thousand years, in my view, that's just
• 22:51
  what we can see. That's just then that kind of
• 22:53
  points to my point of regarding what would possibly survive,
• 22:56
  because if you think of all the human lives, stories,
• 22:59
  cultures that have potentially existed for our whole species existence,
• 23:04
  if we only have nine little glimpses from and to
• 23:07
  be fair, that nine is you could say it's up
• 23:09
  to fifteen because the some sites are debated, but either way,
• 23:12
  it's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of human you know,
• 23:16
  signs of human life. Just because in that fragment, in
• 23:21
  that snapshot, in that slither, all we see is some
• 23:24
  humans with stone tools in caves. Doesn't mean that nothing
• 23:28
  else was happening.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Well, a good piece of evidence to that that would
• 23:32
  point in that direction is Egypt. Because Egypt, even if
• 23:36
  you accept the conventional timeline of Egypt, which is twenty
• 23:40
  five hundred BC for the Great Pyramid, go look at
• 23:43
  the rest of the world at two thousand and five
• 23:45
  hundred BC. You don't see anything like that, nothing even close.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, clearly even if you kind of look
• 23:50
  at the conventional model of history, the ancient Egyptians were
• 23:53
  wildly ahead of everyone everyone. It's just so weird.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It's so weird.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And that's the if you and the conventional model doesn't
• 23:59
  really give us any explanations of how.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: They would do and what they and they arrogantly dismiss
• 24:04
  any other explanations, which is really weird when you're talking
• 24:07
  about these immense structures that are baffling, absolutely baffling to
• 24:12
  anybody who's being honest. What is your take on these
• 24:15
  Italian researchers that are looking at the tomography and they're
• 24:19
  looking at these things that they believe are underneath the
• 24:23
  Great Pyramid and some other structures in Egypt.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of the what's it called, like sas top.
• 24:30
  I mean, I don't know. I'm always a little bit
• 24:31
  suspicious when you make sensationalist claims with new technology. And
• 24:35
  that doesn't mean it's wrong. I just that just because
• 24:38
  it's bonkers.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: What they're saying is two kilometers deep underneath the Great Pyramid,
• 24:43
  there's structures and there's hundreds of meters of these pylons,
• 24:49
  these pillars that are in uniform positions with some sort
• 24:53
  of a coil wrapped under around them, Like what what
• 24:56
  is that? What is that real? And they reproduce it
• 24:59
  in multi different scans. But I don't know what they're seeing.
• 25:03
  I don't understand the technology, understand where the errors could be,
• 25:06
  Like what what could possibly cause it to glitch like that?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know. I would love it
• 25:13
  to be true, obviously, because you know.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: That's the problem. The problem is the same problem that
• 25:19
  I have with UFOs and everything else. You want to
• 25:21
  be true, so it really clouds my judgment, and then
• 25:25
  I have to get my you know, analytical mind to say,
• 25:28
  shut up, yeah, let's look at this honestly.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I think, I mean, there's definitely something
• 25:34
  below the Giza pla like that's always been written about
• 25:37
  in ancient sources and these these kind of scans and
• 25:41
  then people kind of do you have stories of people
• 25:44
  going down into labyrinths that aren't you know, accepted by Egyptology.
• 25:48
  And there's definitely massive mystery surrounding Geezer and the construction
• 25:52
  of the pyramids and what could potentially be below the pyramids,
• 25:55
  and this kind of new pyramid scan project has the potential,
• 25:59
  I think, to you know, make big progress in understanding
• 26:02
  what is below Geezer. But I don't know until there's
• 26:05
  better data out there, I'm not gonna you know, jump
• 26:09
  to any conclusions and declare that this is like evidence
• 26:13
  of you know, a lost advanced technology civilization.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Or no, you can't. But I am so excited about
• 26:19
  just the possibility that they're right, because if they are right,
• 26:22
  that throw that's the greatest monkey wrench into history that's
• 26:27
  ever existed, because explain away that with ancient people with
• 26:31
  stone tools or copper, like explain that a way.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: They probably try me because it already doesn't make sense.
• 26:37
  They're their explanation for the construction of the pyramids being
• 26:40
  wooden sledges and stone ches or whatever they say, It
• 26:44
  already doesn't make sense. It's already so ridiculous that I
• 26:46
  wouldn't even be surprised if they try to explain away these.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Well, it'll discredit them, because the problem is if it
• 26:52
  does indicate that the pyramid is something other than a tomb,
• 26:56
  you know.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: There's not I don't even see any evidence that the
• 27:00
  Great Pyramid at geez It. I mean, what's the evidence
• 27:03
  that that was a tomb? I mean, I don't think
• 27:05
  they've ever found a body in there. It's just a chamber,
• 27:08
  which they've called the King's chamber, right, I mean, I'm
• 27:11
  not an expert in ancient Egypt by any respect, but
• 27:13
  it's always baffled me that they're so determined that the
• 27:16
  pyramids of tombs just because some later pyramids have had
• 27:20
  you know, mummies and pharaohs and sarcopha guy found inside them, But.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything, and that that doesn't mean that
• 27:26
  they built it. That also could mean that the Pharaoh
• 27:29
  decided that it was his and wanted to be buried
• 27:31
  inside of it. And it had existed for thousands of
• 27:34
  years before they ever even got there.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And you can you find bodies in like you know,
• 27:38
  buildings today, And that doesn't mean the purpose of that
• 27:40
  building was to be a tomb, right, it's just buried
• 27:43
  this or someone.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you said, the weird assumption, it's a very
• 27:46
  weird assumption. And did you ever really need Christopher Christopher
• 27:52
  Dunn Christopher Dunn's work, I know a bit. I haven't
• 27:54
  read his book, but I know a bit about it.
• 27:56
  It's interesting. I mean, he's like a serious guy, isn't.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: He's like an engineer exactly, and he has quite serious theories.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: That he thinks it's a power plant.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which would be crazy, wouldn't.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Especially if you add into that the Graham Hancock's ideas
• 28:10
  and some of these other people's ideas that perhaps some
• 28:12
  of these structures are far older.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: With the kind of orion correlation and thinks.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Also the fact that the deeper you go into the sand,
• 28:22
  the more sophisticated the building techniques are. That gets weird,
• 28:25
  Like larger stones, like what happened the.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Whole of ancient Egypt and the Sahara Desert in general
• 28:33
  just doesn't make sense to me, because when you look
• 28:36
  at the Sahara Desert and the fact that it was
• 28:38
  green for nine thousand years and then it stopped being
• 28:42
  green at precisely the time that Wit told ancient Egypt emerged,
• 28:47
  that doesn't make sense. If that defies how civilization works.
• 28:49
  Why would a civilization only emerge after the climate got worse, right,
• 28:53
  That doesn't make sense at all.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Like, and so little research done on sub Saharan Africa
• 28:58
  where they've actually gone into the ground and do like
• 29:02
  large scale research of these immense areas.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Nothing nothing. The Sahara Desert is vast and obviously covered
• 29:08
  in sand and extremely hot, extremely difficult to survey, politically unstable,
• 29:12
  and there's basically been no archaeological work done across the whole.
• 29:15
  And the Sahara Desert its massive. It's like the whole
• 29:18
  of North Africa right down to right. I mean, it's
• 29:21
  massive and.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You could fit the United States, you could fit.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Anything in there, like a whole, like preceding civilization for
• 29:28
  nine thousand years leading up to ancient Egypt, Like it's
• 29:30
  the perfect place. It's right by Mesopotamia, it's right by Egypt,
• 29:34
  and yet we have this blank spot for the nine
• 29:36
  thousand years before the development of civilization, which is kind
• 29:40
  of also the gap between I mean, it's a little
• 29:42
  bit less than this, but the gap between Quebecletepe and
• 29:44
  the birth of civilization. We have this huge area which
• 29:47
  would have been perfect for civilization, full of rivers, lakes, grasslands,
• 29:52
  perfect climate, and it's just missing.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Also abundant resources where they could establish a stable s
• 30:00
  civilization because they had so much food and they weren't
• 30:03
  being attacked, so they could kind of set up sharp
• 30:05
  and figure some things out. Yeah, over a long period
• 30:09
  of time. Yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So my theory is that things were happening in the
• 30:13
  Sahara Desert when it was green, in the green Sahura
• 30:15
  for those nine thousand years, and then because it was
• 30:17
  really quick. That's what I don't think people realize is
• 30:19
  that when the Sahara Desert turned from you know, green,
• 30:23
  lush paradise, whatever you want to call it, to a desert,
• 30:26
  it was like a few centuries. It's called rapid desertification,
• 30:29
  and it flipped not overnight, obviously, but a few centuries
• 30:34
  compared to nine thousand years it's a rapid change, and
• 30:37
  for any kind of culture that was living there, you
• 30:39
  wouldn't have noticed it straight away, but in fifty years
• 30:41
  you'd be like, fuck, it's getting a bit hot hit,
• 30:44
  you know what I mean, Like shit is going on.
• 30:45
  And then I think maybe people migrated to the last
• 30:48
  stretch of green that was still available to them, which
• 30:51
  was the Nile River, and then the kind of survivors
• 30:54
  or the migratory populations developed around the Nile River, and
• 30:57
  using the kind of experience and knowledge that they had
• 31:00
  from their lives and the kind of history of their
• 31:02
  cultures in the Green Sahara period, that is what led
• 31:06
  to ancient Egypt. I mean, that's just a well, it's
• 31:08
  also just.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: An assumption that ancient Egypt didn't exist alongside that, or
• 31:12
  even previous to that, which is also possible, especially when
• 31:17
  you consider what Robert Shark thinks about the erosion, the
• 31:20
  water erosion, and the temple of the Sphinx.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the kind of explanation away of that also never
• 31:26
  made sense to me that it's wind and sand, because
• 31:28
  when you see pictures of the Sphinx, even from when
• 31:30
  they kind of found it in Napoleonic times, it's buried
• 31:33
  in sand, right, and there's records from the Egyptians themselves,
• 31:37
  who you know, took excavated it effectively because it was
• 31:41
  covered in sand. So if it quickly gets covered in sand,
• 31:45
  how could it be eroded by wind and sand if
• 31:47
  it doesn't take very long for it to you kind
• 31:49
  of get filled up with sand. And then how does
• 31:51
  wind and sand erosion even count I've never seen anyone
• 31:54
  kind of explain that away.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Well though, it's the walls that are the most fascinating
• 31:58
  to me because the deep fish is that clearly look
• 32:01
  like rainfall. It looks like something that water does over
• 32:04
  thousands of years. Yeah, you know.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: And when you use those whales that were the whale
• 32:09
  the Valley of the Whales, Yeah, just about I don't
• 32:12
  know how many miles south, but it's south of Cairo.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: That's Bonker. Still, that's crazy. They find whales, hundreds of
• 32:19
  whales in the desert. That's so crazy. Look at that image.
• 32:23
  That's so nuts. That is so nuts.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Some of them had teeth and toes.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, so crazy, so crazy. And then it makes you
• 32:36
  wonder like how did those bones survive? Like why are
• 32:39
  they there? Like how quickly did they die? How quickly
• 32:42
  did they get covered up by sediment that they could
• 32:44
  find them all these years later, Because that's the weird
• 32:47
  thing about fossils and bones in general, is that most
• 32:51
  of them you're never going to find because they get eaten,
• 32:54
  they deteriorate, they they're gone. Like it's very difficult to
• 32:58
  make a fossil. You know, when you think about our
• 33:01
  you know, quote unquote fossil record, it's really weird because
• 33:05
  it's hard to make a fossil. So we're dealing with
• 33:08
  a very small amount of beings that get turned into
• 33:12
  a fossil, and that is what we're using as our
• 33:17
  understanding of like life.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Is it's so limited.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure when was the Gena when the Sahara
• 33:26
  was covered in waters. I'm not even sure when that was.
• 33:28
  I mean, some people say that there's like a mass
• 33:30
  flood during the kind of younger Drys period, which I
• 33:32
  think is.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I think they're talking about millions years ago for these bones.
• 33:36
  How old are these whalebones supposed to be? But I
• 33:41
  think millions of years ago it's assumed that it was
• 33:44
  completely underwater, right, So are we talking like Pangaea times,
• 33:47
  Like what are we talking about that?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: But even not too long ago, like you know, kind
• 33:52
  of twelve thousand years ago whatever. They had these massive
• 33:55
  river systems like the time in Russet river system.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Here it is forty million years old.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, forty million years old.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Whales, Oh, my god, primitive whales.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Primitive whales documenting. How do you say that word cetacean?
• 34:11
  How do you say that word cetacean transition? Does that?
• 34:14
  I say it cetacean transition to marine life sarinians and
• 34:19
  reptiles as well as shark teeth from the Genehan Formation
• 34:24
  forty to forty one million years ago the strata and
• 34:28
  I don't say that either. Wad al Hitan belongs to
• 34:33
  Middle Eocene epoch and it contains extensive vertebrate fossils within
• 34:37
  a two hundred kilometer area. Fossils are present and high
• 34:42
  numbers and often show excellent quality of preservation. The most
• 34:45
  conspicuous fossils are skeletons and bones of whales and sea cows.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Was the sea cow?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Oh? You ever see the the precursor to whales. Like
• 34:56
  where whales came from?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: No?
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Where did they come from?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: It was an ancient animal that was like a almost
• 35:02
  like a hooked wolf. We see, no, I mean animal,
• 35:08
  that's why they breathe air.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Of course, that mammals on there.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super weird. It's super weird. It was some
• 35:15
  animal that supposedly lived on land and as real freaky looking,
• 35:20
  almost kind of like dog like, and that thing. Eventually
• 35:26
  I just like swimming. And then one day it said,
• 35:29
  I'm never going back to the land. It's filled with assholes.
• 35:33
  I'm just gonna live out here in the ocean where
• 35:35
  all you have to contend with.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: His sharp article calls that the god of death whale.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's what it looked like. That's what it looked like.
• 35:43
  But there's some images of it on land, some depictions. Yeah,
• 35:47
  that's what it looked like. That freaky thing was what
• 35:50
  whales came from. That thing walked around the ground. And
• 35:54
  then eventually he said, eh.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: It's forty million years ago. Is that what those skeletons are?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Then maybe, hmmm, interesting, Some of them may be right
• 36:03
  because they do know. The thing is when whales walked
• 36:06
  in Egypt. Wow, I was watching I think I don't
• 36:11
  remember whose podcast it was. I wish I could remember,
• 36:14
  But we were talking to some guy that found definitive
• 36:17
  evidence of dinosaurs in Egypt, So if you go back
• 36:21
  far enough, there were dinosaurs living in that part of
• 36:23
  the world as well. What's that one image you just
• 36:25
  saw right there with the mouth open. Yeah, that one
• 36:28
  that's crazy looking. Prehistoric whale ancestor look at that thing? Whoa,
• 36:35
  that's crazy.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Here's the sea cows. What this image says? A prehistoric
• 36:42
  sea cow is killed by a prehistoric croc wowed by
• 36:46
  tiger shark.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, boy, life is hard where there's no doors.
• 36:51
  That's the problem with the ocean. There's no doors, there's
• 36:54
  nowhere to hide, so it's just constant chaos. It is
• 36:59
  just constant eating things in this three D space where
• 37:03
  they can go up and down and side to side.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: And that's just nature, isn't it. Mane I was just
• 37:07
  killing everything else.
• 37:09
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  figured out walls and doors and that changed the game.
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  Speaker 2: But when did we do that, Joey. That's the question.
• 37:51
  That is because a lot of people would claim to think,
• 37:54
  and the kind of consensus always is that we didn't
• 37:57
  do that until twelve thousand years ago, didn't settle down
• 38:00
  and form permanent communities until the Neolithic Revolution. And I
• 38:04
  think that's one of the major paradigms if you like
• 38:07
  that we have regarding our past, that simply doesn't make
• 38:11
  sense in light of new evidence.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And I just what is that evidence that they've found
• 38:15
  of wood construction from far longer than they thought.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the Columbo structure. And this is something
• 38:22
  I talk about a lot in my videos because I
• 38:24
  think it's a crazy find and I don't understand why
• 38:27
  it's not kicking out more of a fuss. Like if
• 38:29
  I'm the guy that has to kick up the fuss
• 38:31
  about it, then I'll be that guy, because basically, we've
• 38:35
  the idea has always been that humans were nomadic hunter
• 38:39
  gatherers that move with the seasons and lived in caves
• 38:43
  or just kind of walked around for all of our
• 38:45
  history until the Neolithic Revolution the invention of agriculture twelve
• 38:50
  thousand years ago, and no earlier than that did we
• 38:52
  ever settle down and live in permanent settlements. But the
• 38:56
  Columbo structure was something they found a few years ago
• 38:59
  in modern day Zambia. And what it is is this
• 39:03
  these pieces of wood. And I'll get to the point
• 39:05
  about why this would have survived in a minute, because obviously,
• 39:08
  you know, wood surviving this long is crazy, but there
• 39:10
  you go. Yes, So the Columbo structure is these pieces
• 39:12
  of wood that have been joined together deliberately cutting notches
• 39:15
  and connected together, tapered and secured at right angles. And
• 39:20
  they think it was either a kind of raised walkway,
• 39:22
  like a kind of raised platform, or house, a dwelling huts,
• 39:26
  some kind of structure. And why this is so paradigm
• 39:30
  shifting is because not only does this kind of scream
• 39:34
  that humans potentially lived in permanent settlement. So sorry, I
• 39:38
  haven't even said this. This is four hundred and seventy
• 39:40
  six thousand years old, so this predates Homo sapiens, so
• 39:44
  allegedly allegedly, as in, what do you mean allegedly, oh, Beau.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Because we recently found out that they were three hundred thousand.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I guess it could have been us, But what they
• 39:53
  they had attributes it to is Homo hadal bagensis, who's
• 39:55
  our last common ancestor with Neanderthals, So they're kind of
• 39:59
  the human species that came before Homo sapiens. So I
• 40:02
  guess you're right. It could have been Homo sapiens, and
• 40:04
  we're just not sure how old we are, but it's
• 40:08
  it's kind of attributed to a homohet up against this
• 40:10
  And the only reason this structure survived at all is
• 40:13
  because pretty soon after its construction it must have fallen
• 40:16
  into a bog, and then that bog kind of got
• 40:18
  solidified over by the sun, and then it was preserved
• 40:22
  in water log sediment which protected it from decay for
• 40:25
  almost half a million years until it was discovered by
• 40:28
  us recently. And how recent I think about five years ago,
• 40:32
  maybe was it twenty nineteen or something. I'm not I'm sure,
• 40:35
  but you know, it's crazy. Yeah, I would say it's
• 40:40
  a massive monkey wrench because not only does it kind
• 40:43
  of really dispute this idea that we didn't settle down until,
• 40:47
  you know, twelve thousand years ago with the Neolithic Revolution,
• 40:49
  because I mean, it's a structure, I mean, and it's
• 40:52
  just because it's so unlikely, it's so unbelievable that this
• 40:56
  would have survived. But that kind of suggests that it's
• 40:59
  it's not the only one, right. There could have been
• 41:01
  loads of these like structures everywhere, and.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: As you said, Manhattan, yeah, wouldn't live, wouldn't exist in
• 41:09
  one hundred thousand years, So this is four hundred and
• 41:12
  seventy six thousand years.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ridiculous.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: And it's just wood, which is less durable than all
• 41:16
  the other things that we were talking about.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously people may be saying, well, look, clearly,
• 41:20
  things survive, but this is an extreme edge case scenario
• 41:23
  where it's like so unbelievably unlikely that this wooden structure
• 41:27
  would kind of sink into a bog and then that
• 41:28
  bog be you know, solidified over and then it would
• 41:31
  stay in that preserved and then that they would find it,
• 41:34
  and then they would find it exactly because you know,
• 41:37
  four and seventy six thousand years the sediment, yeah, exactly,
• 41:40
  because we don't dig that far and look for anything sophisticated,
• 41:43
  because we think, you know, nothing happened back then, and
• 41:45
  then you find this, and it really suggests that humans
• 41:49
  will live and in much more complex societies. And I mean
• 41:52
  the fact that they had the cognitive capacity it's a
• 41:55
  plan structurally engineer and build a structure completely flies in
• 42:00
  the face of what we've always thought about ancient humans,
• 42:03
  because we've always had this idea that there's been this
• 42:07
  very popular idea in kind of mainstream historical thought that
• 42:12
  humans only got smart around fifty to sixty thousand years ago,
• 42:16
  and that's just Homo sapiens. We've always thought that other
• 42:18
  human species never got smart, never achieved what we call
• 42:21
  behavioral modernity. And this has always been the kind of
• 42:24
  idea that we went through this cognitive revolution around fifty
• 42:28
  to sixty thousand years ago. And the most obvious proponent
• 42:31
  of how entrenched this is in kind of academic thought
• 42:34
  is have you ever read the book Sapiens? Yes, yeah, yeah,
• 42:37
  by yvol Noah Harari. It's an extremely popular book. It's
• 42:40
  sold something like sixty million copies worldwide, by far the
• 42:44
  most popular book about prehistory. And you know, the story
• 42:47
  of Homo sapiens ever written, and Sapiens didn't kind of
• 42:51
  do anything new.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: It didn't.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I think Harari himself would admit this. It didn't.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: It didn't.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It kind of just collected the consensus of academia and
• 43:03
  presented it in a nice digestible way to the kind
• 43:05
  of lame an audience. But he took this idea that's
• 43:08
  always been present in academia regarding human intelligence, which is
• 43:12
  that while we've been around for quite a long time,
• 43:14
  we didn't achieve behavioral modernity until fifty to sixty thousand
• 43:18
  years ago, and that's when we started apparently displaying complex
• 43:21
  cognitive traits like abstract thinking and planning and bearing our
• 43:26
  dead and oh yeah, exactly, and complex language and things
• 43:30
  like that. But this just completely flies in the face
• 43:33
  of that, because if we had the capability to plan, construct,
• 43:37
  an engineer a structure four hundred and seventy six thousand
• 43:39
  years ago, that means, you know, mainstream anthropology was off
• 43:44
  by over four hundred thousand years regarding the advent of
• 43:49
  intelligence and the advent of permanent living and that's I mean,
• 43:52
  that's quite the error four hundred thousand years exactly. So
• 43:56
  that kind of suggests they could be off by similar
• 43:58
  margins about other developmental claim because I don't know, it's
• 44:01
  a big, big era.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also when you think about the history of
• 44:04
  the Earth, there are times that we know that there
• 44:07
  was like there's great bottlenecks that occurred because of some
• 44:11
  sort of a massive natural catastrophe like the tobe Of volcano. Yeah, right,
• 44:15
  the tobe Of volcano, which was seventy seventy thousand years ago.
• 44:21
  Was that what it was brought people down to a
• 44:24
  few thousand survivors on Earth.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's loads of these bottlenecks. Yeah, And you
• 44:29
  look at all like kind of jestic history and I mean,
• 44:32
  did that suggests that something happened?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Right? Well, well, you're thinking about what evidence there is,
• 44:39
  and then you think about, well, there's no one left
• 44:42
  except a few thousand people seventy thousand years ago, So
• 44:45
  it's possible that there's been this rise of some sort
• 44:49
  of a civilization and then massive catastrophe and a rebuilding.
• 44:53
  Just like if we're talking about the Younger dryst which
• 44:56
  is in this time period we're talking about, you know,
• 44:58
  when you're dealing with foreign and six thousand years ago
• 45:01
  fairly recent, right, very young, right, and think about the
• 45:05
  six thousand years it took for civilization to re emerge
• 45:07
  from that. Now you think of Toba and you knock
• 45:12
  down the entire population of the planet to what did
• 45:14
  they think it was? See if you can find out
• 45:16
  what the number was. I think it was very low.
• 45:19
  I think it was below three thousand people on Earth.
• 45:22
  On Earth, yeah, just one thousands of people. One massive supervolcano,
• 45:27
  which is, by the way, just like Yellowstone, could it
• 45:32
  happened again? That motherfucker is bubbling too here. It is
• 45:37
  potentially almost all of humanity, leaving around three thousand to
• 45:41
  ten thousand humans left on the planet.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And sleeper volcano isn't the only thing. There's so many others.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: What time period is this Jeremy seventy four thousand years ago.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: So that's quite recent. Yeah, in terms of our story.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Well, in terms of your theory that I thought was
• 45:58
  one of the most interesting ones. You brought up that
• 46:02
  in your videos. You were talking about how anatomical humans
• 46:05
  just based on what we've agreed to, based on what
• 46:08
  we found three hundred thousand years Like, what are the
• 46:11
  possibilities that there have been civilizations that emerged and were
• 46:16
  destroyed and then there's no evidence of them.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, aside from the preservation problem, which
• 46:23
  we kind of already talked about, when you get up
• 46:24
  to these massive timescales, you know, very little was going
• 46:27
  to survive, especially when you think about what early humans
• 46:29
  were likely building with. Yes, like it's probably the things
• 46:33
  they could find in their environment, right, what right plant remains?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: You have nothing left? Just look at what we know
• 46:39
  about the Amazon now. Yeah, because of lied Are and
• 46:42
  because of you know, what is his name, Percy, Percy Fawcet.
• 46:47
  Because these people that made these journeys down there looking
• 46:50
  for these complex civilizations that at one point in time
• 46:53
  now we know did exist there, and just one hundred
• 46:56
  years later they called those people liars because they went
• 46:58
  back to the same place and there was nothing left.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's always been you know, thought of as
• 47:03
  myth or pseudoscience that it's kind of the most popular
• 47:06
  idea of lost civilizations with civilizations of the Amazon, and
• 47:09
  it was always dismissed.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Well, here's what's really crazy. Have you seen Detroit. Have
• 47:14
  you seen the evidence of Detroit where trees are going
• 47:16
  through houses.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And that's like fifty years less. Or if you look
• 47:19
  at Chernobyl, the kind of exclusion zone where no one lives,
• 47:23
  it's already like trees everywhere and like nature is already
• 47:27
  taking root after less than half a century.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bizarre.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: And then you one hundred thousand years, that's seriously what's
• 47:33
  going to be left?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Very very little. And then if you go two hundred
• 47:37
  thousand years, I mean if if anatomically modern humans, if
• 47:40
  that we've discovered them at three hundred thousand years, what
• 47:43
  if somebody digs one up that's two million years old?
• 47:46
  Then what do you do? Then you gotta go, oh boy,
• 47:50
  oh boy. Well, I think there's also this thought that
• 47:53
  Neanderthals were stupid. They're kind of abandoning that now too.
• 47:56
  They're thinking they had language, they had tools, they had society.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: They definitely did. There's so much evident and this kind
• 48:02
  of puts into the cognitive revolution argument, which is, you
• 48:05
  know that we were the only smart species. Like our
• 48:08
  name that we gave ourselves, Homo sapiens literally means smart man.
• 48:11
  It's always been the idea that we're the smartest humans
• 48:14
  and that's why we won. And to be fair, we
• 48:16
  did win, or we did when when whatever you want, we.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Might just be the most evil, Yeah, we want the
• 48:20
  most evils, might be the luckiest ones. You know, Well
• 48:22
  we're the weakest, so we probably had to be evil.
• 48:25
  We had to figure out weapons that were would be
• 48:28
  able to defeat the Neanderthals, who had, by the way
• 48:30
  larger brain capacities.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I think they were just intelligent as that's nuts. Well,
• 48:35
  I mean that's a that's a claim that probably some
• 48:38
  people would dispute, but I think there's lots of evidence
• 48:40
  that they were very smart.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: And well, necessity is the mother of invention, right, and
• 48:44
  if you're physically weaker than these other things that are
• 48:49
  as intelligent as you and far stronger, like you gotta
• 48:54
  you gotta get devious. You got to figure some stuff out.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: But like, did we even I mean either I mean
• 49:00
  maybe they got wipes out by something like disease or
• 49:02
  did they even get wipes out because if you even
• 49:04
  look at the DNA of non African humans, it's something
• 49:07
  like twenty percent in some populations it's Neanderthals. So yes,
• 49:10
  they're kind.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Of still here. Well, they just sort of inner bread. Yeah,
• 49:14
  which is also weird because most species can't breed with
• 49:17
  other species. Yeah, just you know.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: But we are very I mean, we're very closely related
• 49:23
  to the underthousand.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. The whole history of humans is weird,
• 49:29
  and for academics to deny this possibility to me seems
• 49:33
  so short sighted. I know, it was silly.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I think we're on the brink of quite a massive
• 49:38
  shift in our perspective regarding.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I think so too, And I think it has to
• 49:42
  happen where I don't mean to say this to be cruel,
• 49:45
  but they the old people have to die.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: There's that quote, isn't it science advances one funeral at time.
• 49:50
  I hope it doesn't take that long, though, to be honest, show,
• 49:53
  I hope it's just in the next few Well, the
• 49:55
  good things.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of scientists don't take care of themselves, which
• 49:58
  is also weird when you see super intelligent people that
• 50:01
  are obese and eat terrible food.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Or health experts that are such.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yes air quote health experts, not real ones, but it
• 50:10
  is to me a great disservice. And one of the
• 50:14
  things that I find very promising is that a lot
• 50:17
  of young academics are embracing a lot of alternative ideas,
• 50:21
  whether quietly or whether they're doing it publicly.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think the advent of the Internet and
• 50:29
  you know, shows like this or the medium of podcasting
• 50:32
  has really kind of democratized the access to information and
• 50:36
  allowed people with theories that potentially wouldn't have been able
• 50:39
  to get out there in the pre Internet age, where
• 50:42
  they were kind of you had to go through a
• 50:44
  kind of academic institution to get a theory heard or debated.
• 50:48
  Now anyone can say anything, for better or worse, and
• 50:50
  that can you know, reach millions of people, and then
• 50:53
  if it's an idea that's popular, then it can kind
• 50:55
  of be in the public eye and then it can
• 50:57
  be debated properly. And I think that's only a good thing.
• 51:00
  Obviously there are negative aspects to that, but I think
• 51:03
  that will increase, you know, ideas that are regarding prehistory,
• 51:07
  for example. I think it will increase the rate in
• 51:09
  which these things will get accepted, because once the evidence
• 51:12
  is out there, and once you start you know, talking
• 51:14
  about the Klombo structure for example, and how it completely
• 51:17
  flies in the face of both these paradigms regarding permanent
• 51:22
  living and human intelligence. It's out there now. People can
• 51:26
  look it up, and people can see that this is
• 51:27
  completely kind of opposed to what we've always been taught
• 51:30
  regarding prehistory.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: And isn't it kind of arrogant to assume that they
• 51:34
  know who built it to That's weird too, because they're
• 51:37
  basing in on this assumption that human beings didn't exist
• 51:40
  back then, at least Homo sapiens didn't exist back then,
• 51:43
  which is also being challenged and over and over again. Yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: The fact they based on Haydel against this is literally
• 51:48
  just because we found some Hadel against this remains like
• 51:51
  two hundred kilometers away and they're like, okay, Haydel against this.
• 51:55
  I mean it could have been to be fair.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: But it could have been. But I mean, right now
• 51:58
  there's people that are living being in Africa and two
• 52:01
  hundred kilometers away from them are apes. So if one
• 52:04
  day they found structures, you know, in the future, I said, oh,
• 52:07
  these are being made by chimpanzees. Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: It is kind of great. I mean that's the thing
• 52:12
  about history is it's all based on massive assumptions. It's
• 52:15
  not like a hard science it's interpreting evidence, and that's fine,
• 52:18
  Like that's how we do it. But sure, that's why
• 52:20
  I don't. It's the only way to do it right now,
• 52:22
  it's the only way to do it. So that's why
• 52:23
  I don't get why people make these definitive conclusions and
• 52:26
  then don't allow anybody to kind of speculate or hypothesize
• 52:29
  about anything else.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: It's gatekeeping, Yeah, it's gatekeeping. It's academic gatekeeping. It's also
• 52:35
  these people that have been teaching this one thing forever
• 52:38
  being threatened by the fact that they were wrong. The
• 52:40
  last thing an academic wants to hear is like, you
• 52:42
  wrote this book, this stupid book. This book misled people
• 52:47
  for decades. You were so wrong. Like, they will fight
• 52:50
  it with every ounce of there being because it's essentially
• 52:52
  their identity, their identity as being the gatekeeper of their
• 52:56
  understanding of human history.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've built a whole career around it, and
• 52:59
  they've you know, as you say, it's their identity. They've
• 53:02
  been the knowledge, the keeper of knowledge on a particular subject.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: But it's gross because it's ours. It's the whole plant,
• 53:09
  it's all the human beings. It's like, do you have
• 53:12
  a few nerds who you wouldn't want to hang out
• 53:14
  with in real life. And these are the guys that
• 53:16
  are telling us we can't explore these things. And those
• 53:19
  are the people that are attacking Graham Hancock with every
• 53:22
  possible insult, calling it the most dangerous show on television
• 53:27
  like this, But it's also it's it's so revealing because
• 53:31
  it's so obvious that if you watch the show, you're like, wait,
• 53:34
  this is the most dangerous.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Show on to you Asian Apocalypse, Yeah, Like, aw.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Is that dangerous? He's like just talking about these bizarre
• 53:41
  structures that exist that seem to defy our modern understanding
• 53:46
  of how things are built.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And when I I mean, I don't agree with
• 53:50
  absolutely everything Graham Hancock says, but when I look at
• 53:53
  you know, these ideas of you know, human intelligence potentially
• 53:57
  stretching back five hundred thousand years spave of the Colombo
• 54:00
  structure or permanent living, and I would argue that it
• 54:03
  could go back a lot further than that. So when
• 54:06
  you look at when you kind of take into account
• 54:08
  that these abilities could have stretched back half a million years,
• 54:12
  When I then look at someone like Graham's work, it
• 54:14
  seems so plausible I don't see why it's seen as
• 54:17
  so outrageous that because twelve thousand years ago, which is
• 54:20
  kind of when he proposes, there could have been a
• 54:22
  you know, a sophisticated civilization that was potentially wipes out
• 54:26
  by a cataclysm. When you look at that from the
• 54:28
  perspective of, oh, yeah, we've been intelligent for half a
• 54:31
  million years, it doesn't seem very it doesn't. It seems
• 54:34
  very plausible.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: So not only that it's four hundred and fifty thousand
• 54:39
  years after the first structure.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, but no one's even no one's talking about this.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: That's what's weird is that no one's talking about that,
• 54:47
  is that it's just me. It's more like test you.
• 54:50
  It's like those academics as well. They've found it to
• 54:52
  be fair.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: The guy that founded the archaeologists that found it said
• 54:55
  that he never could have imagined that pre Homo saping. Again,
• 54:59
  it might not be missapient, it could be missapient, but
• 55:01
  he said it's completely paradigm shifting that they had the
• 55:04
  capacity to plan and build something like this. But again,
• 55:08
  there's no there's no fuss about it. It's just a
• 55:10
  paper was written and it was put out there. And
• 55:12
  then that's it.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Well, these things take time, I guess, yeah. I mean
• 55:17
  more of these conversations and more people have to understand
• 55:20
  that these things are being discovered and that we are
• 55:24
  kind of confused about so many things about human history
• 55:27
  and we're being told that no, there's people at the
• 55:30
  universities that have all the answers, and that it's literally
• 55:33
  not possible that they're telling the truth. It's not possible.
• 55:37
  And that's why I get so excited about the structures
• 55:40
  under pyramid, because it's a gigantic fuck you people. It
• 55:44
  would be the most gigantic fuck you of all time
• 55:46
  if they found out those that those scans are accurate,
• 55:49
  and there's these pillars that are wrapped in coils that
• 55:53
  go down like hundreds of meters, and then below them
• 55:56
  there's additional structures.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: And the whole I think it's so connected.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, which is like if Christopher Donne's correct about
• 56:04
  it being some sort of a power plant, and that
• 56:06
  reveals like how the thing worked and functioned that's way
• 56:10
  more advanced than us, Like, what.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Is that in some ways they already Oh, I mean,
• 56:14
  we can't explain how they did it, even based on
• 56:16
  a kind of conventional model of history.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I know, we lie. I've talked to so many people,
• 56:22
  like when I had Zawi Hawas here and he's.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Explaining to me national project, it was the.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: National project, Like, oh, that'll fix it. We should make
• 56:29
  our national project to breathe underwater and fly through the air,
• 56:32
  Like we should make that our national project to go
• 56:34
  to the go to other planets and live there in
• 56:37
  case Earth gets blown up? What are you talking about?
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: The fuck are you talking about?
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah? They just don't want to. And it does kind
• 56:43
  of make me worry, Like I don't really delve into
• 56:45
  the kind of conspiracy side of things because I mean,
• 56:47
  I just I'm trying to stay kind of based and.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Not me I go right in.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, first I do it in my own time
• 56:54
  and stuff. I mean in my own head and stuff.
• 56:55
  But in terms of like my what.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: One do you dive into in your own head the most?
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: I sometimes combine that, the UFO one with the ancient
• 57:02
  civilization one. I do too, And I think what happens
• 57:06
  if you know, a civilization from a million years ago
• 57:08
  got so advanced that we can't see them, and then
• 57:12
  that's what the UFO thing is, is just someone from
• 57:14
  this earth that doesn't really need the space anymore and
• 57:16
  they're just watching us. Yeah, sometimes think about that, but
• 57:19
  obviously I don't talk about that in my videos because
• 57:20
  I don't need to give anyone any more ammunition to
• 57:22
  send for me.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Well, there's also the genetic engineering one.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Oh you mean like that?
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like why humans are so different than everything else
• 57:30
  in the first place, Like, that's weird. The doubling of
• 57:33
  the human brain size over a period of two million
• 57:36
  years is really weird.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: What does that refer to? Is that from habilist to erectus?
• 57:42
  What is that is that?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, let's google it.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: So I heard people say that, and I've always thought,
• 57:48
  I guess that must be from homohobilist to homo erectus
• 57:51
  from years ago.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: An immense leap that is, like turns to McKenna used
• 57:57
  to say, it would be bizarre if it was a
• 58:01
  liver of an order that doubled over a period of
• 58:04
  that amount of time. But the fact that it's the
• 58:07
  very organ that allows us to contemplate and to understand
• 58:12
  human existence in the first place, and that that organ
• 58:16
  doubled over a period of two million years, like what happened? Yeah, Yeah,
• 58:21
  he's got the wackiest theory because he thinks it's psilocybin mushrooms.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I think there could be something to do that. I mean,
• 58:27
  because you know, ancient cultures have always used psychedelic substances
• 58:32
  and basically all the way up until Western society kind
• 58:35
  of took hold, it's always been an integral pulv human culture,
• 58:40
  and sure society and then us in our modern world
• 58:43
  have decided to outlaw that. And I think that's a
• 58:46
  tragic mistake, to be honest with you, it is.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And I think history will reveal that, yeah, one day,
• 58:52
  And I think that is one of the also one
• 58:56
  of the good things about discussions that are happening on
• 58:58
  the Internet that are kind of unchecked and untethered by academia,
• 59:02
  so you can talk about these things bigger brains.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Sonian website says it's actually tripled over the time we've
• 59:10
  tracked it, slow increase from six to two million, but
• 59:13
  a larger increase eight hundred to two hundred thousand years ago,
• 59:19
  and then the article goes.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: That's when the Aliens landed. Yeah.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Not even buy that though, because haitel bagensis have the
• 59:26
  same cranial capacity as after US and they go back
• 59:29
  nine hundred thousand years. So another thing I said before,
• 59:32
  so maybe that's a rexis they're talking about.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Brains don't fossilize curiate, leaving a cavity inside the brain
• 59:40
  case part of how they know some of this info.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes sediments fill the cavity harmony and natural endocast. Scientists
• 59:46
  also make artificial endocast to study, like the ones above. Fascinating, fascinating, Yeah.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: We're a weird creature.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Well did you say it's twenty seventeen that they discovered
• 59:59
  modern humans three hundred thousand years ago?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And where was that? It's in Morocca, So that's Moraca,
• 1:00:04
  right you said that. So imagine if they found something
• 1:00:08
  similar in China, Well.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: That would fuck everything up because of Africa thing, and
• 1:00:12
  that would really that would really fuck everything up. But
• 1:00:15
  I mean it could happen.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't really even suck it up, it would
• 1:00:18
  just push it back, I guess. So yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: But I mean, we're not even as supposed to have
• 1:00:21
  left Africa until this time with the cognitive revolution, And
• 1:00:24
  that's always been the one of the points like, oh,
• 1:00:27
  look we got smart, we left Africa sixty thousand years ago,
• 1:00:30
  But that's never made sense to me either, because Homo
• 1:00:32
  erectus managed to migrate out of Africa and colonize loads
• 1:00:36
  of Asia and parts of Europe over a million years ago.
• 1:00:39
  And if they're supposedly, you know, inferior to us, then
• 1:00:43
  how can they make this massive leap and hat up
• 1:00:45
  against this? Did it six hundred thousand years ago and
• 1:00:47
  they're supposedly inferior to us, how come they did this?
• 1:00:49
  And so I mean, I don't know. I try not
• 1:00:52
  to delve into the out of Africa thing because it's
• 1:00:55
  it gets a little bit controversial.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it does well, it gets controversial when you bring
• 1:00:58
  in aliens too, because aliens become racist. It becomes racist
• 1:01:02
  because now you're not accrediting the Africans to building the pyramids,
• 1:01:05
  you know, which is.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Really that's kind of made sense to me that because
• 1:01:07
  it Clayty wasn't white people that built the pyramids?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I watched this very bizarre discussion between some guy
• 1:01:14
  that was trying to claim that it wasn't Africans that
• 1:01:16
  built the pyramid, that it was white people that built
• 1:01:18
  the pyramids. So there are people that have this sort
• 1:01:21
  of racist idea of the construction of the Pyramids, But
• 1:01:25
  you can't attach that to everyone is speculating about the
• 1:01:28
  construction because it's too the things are too weird, it's
• 1:01:33
  too weird. And let's assume that it was Africans that
• 1:01:37
  built the pyramids. But if we are assuming that, like
• 1:01:39
  how were they so much smarter than everyone alive today?
• 1:01:44
  How were they so much smarter? Let's say it's four
• 1:01:47
  five hundred years ago. How were they so much smarter?
• 1:01:49
  What was going on? Like what happened? Did they get
• 1:01:51
  visited by aliens? Did they discover something that allowed their
• 1:01:55
  understanding of physics to be just so much greater than
• 1:01:59
  everybody else who's ever lived? Like what did they discover?
• 1:02:02
  Like what were they encountering, what were they consuming, what
• 1:02:05
  were they doing? What was what were they teaching each other?
• 1:02:10
  You know, we lost so much in the burning of
• 1:02:12
  the Library of Alexandria.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's it's quite sad, really, isn't it,
• 1:02:18
  to be honest, Like, there would have been a lot
• 1:02:20
  and I'm not sure one hundred percent what happened with that.
• 1:02:22
  I'm not sure if it was one burning or just
• 1:02:23
  several burns. Yeah, but clearly a lot was lost but.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Then then the question is, like what did they even though,
• 1:02:29
  Like what if it's older than that, Like what if
• 1:02:31
  all that stuff? What if you know? This is one
• 1:02:33
  of the things that zawi hiwas was very reluctant to.
• 1:02:37
  He's like, what is this? I was talking about the
• 1:02:39
  king's list that goes back thirty thousand years? Yeah, what
• 1:02:42
  if that's accurate?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Sumerian one does too.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It gets real squirrely when you only want to
• 1:02:49
  accept some parts of history.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: And that ties into the Green Sahara thing that I
• 1:02:54
  was talking about, Like, yeah, they have king lists that
• 1:02:57
  go back this far, and yeah, we say that some
• 1:02:59
  of them are, and to be fair, they have kings
• 1:03:01
  that reign for like a thousand years.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Which it's a bit weird. It's a bit weird.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Probably not, I mean, unless you're talking some kind of
• 1:03:08
  alien thing, then that probably wasn't human. But that might
• 1:03:10
  just be because it would have been a long time
• 1:03:12
  ago for them too when they were writing these king lists. Sure,
• 1:03:14
  but it doesn't mean that their civilization only started with
• 1:03:17
  the first dynasty. What we've decided is the line between
• 1:03:20
  myth and fact, because that's a modern interpretation. After the
• 1:03:23
  fact they never made such distinction.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this idea that they lived a thousand years, well,
• 1:03:28
  if you ever read the North Korea depictions of Kim
• 1:03:31
  Jong UN's first day playing.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Golf, Yeah, it's propaganda, is that?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he made like nine holes in one.
• 1:03:37
  He's the greatest golfer of all time, exactly, you know
• 1:03:39
  what I'm saying. So it's like you're writing about kings
• 1:03:41
  he lived a thousand years. Fire came from his dick,
• 1:03:44
  you know, Like, what are we talking about. We don't know,
• 1:03:47
  We don't know what they were writing. We don't know
• 1:03:50
  who wrote it, We don't know how fantastical it was,
• 1:03:52
  how much hyperbole was involved. But we do know that
• 1:03:56
  we accept the King's list. When it gets to around
• 1:03:59
  two thousand, five hundred BC, we start accepting it. Yeah,
• 1:04:02
  but you don't accept this possibility that it might actually
• 1:04:05
  go far, far, far earlier than that.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: And the whole the Pyramids thing kind of plays into
• 1:04:12
  the fact that stone is one of the only thing
• 1:04:14
  that survives, and pyramids, that these massive stone constructions, like ironically,
• 1:04:19
  they would be one of the only things from our
• 1:04:21
  not that they really count as our civilization, but from
• 1:04:23
  the modern world the Pyramids would be one of the
• 1:04:25
  only things that could survive in one hundred thousand years,
• 1:04:28
  So it makes you think, like, how long have they
• 1:04:30
  been then? I think the Egyptians definitely undertook some some
• 1:04:35
  kind of construction project around the time of twenty five
• 1:04:38
  hundred BC, Oh for sure, because there's records of them
• 1:04:40
  saying they did stuff. But that doesn't mean because they
• 1:04:43
  they have all these records, but there's no records of
• 1:04:45
  how they built it well.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: They also the buildings that they made that were after
• 1:04:50
  two thousand and five hundred BC are dog shit.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: So much worse. They just immediately forgot how to do
• 1:04:56
  it again straight away.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: They were trying to copy and they just couldn't do it.
• 1:04:59
  They didn't have the math, they didn't have the engineering.
• 1:05:02
  The stones are smaller, it's.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: And no one's claimed They didn't claim credit for the Pyramids,
• 1:05:07
  which is weird. Yeah, why would you not claim it?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: It's all weird, It's all weird. It's uh, it's the weirdest, right.
• 1:05:16
  So it's the one thing that if you're a logical
• 1:05:19
  person and you think you know the timeline of history,
• 1:05:22
  you think you understand human civilization, you think you understand
• 1:05:26
  like how intelligence evolved and how technology and innovation evolved.
• 1:05:30
  And you see that, you're like, oh, I don't know shit,
• 1:05:33
  I don't know shit, Like how's that statue so big
• 1:05:36
  and perfectly symmetrical?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: That crazy?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Well, there's just these vases that they don't understand. It's
• 1:05:42
  a replicas, a three D and this is a three
• 1:05:45
  D model of an actual vase from Egypt.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did some good welcome this. Many people like.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Christopher don't give this to us. I think he did.
• 1:05:58
  But you know Ben from Uncharted X and he's done
• 1:06:02
  a lot of work on these things like those. Just
• 1:06:04
  those vases are very bizarre, very bizarre, the.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Egyptian dynasties. Yeah, and they forget to do that as well.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: We have no idea how they made them. We don't
• 1:06:14
  know what tools they used. Anybody that says that they do,
• 1:06:17
  you're lying. You really don't know. You can't know. These
• 1:06:20
  things are perfectly symmetrical. They weren't turned on a lathe
• 1:06:24
  because they have handles. The way they measure them. When
• 1:06:29
  you look at like the deviation from round and like
• 1:06:32
  how it's it's it's like a thousands of a human hair. Yeah,
• 1:06:37
  it's crazy. And it's made from incredibly hard granite.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Right, the hardest starting to do that way, So what are.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: We talking about? Like, who were these people? This is
• 1:06:47
  kind of crazy.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: And then you have the statues that perfectly symmetrically perfectly.
• 1:06:51
  The faces are just incredible and massive, Yeah, not huge,
• 1:06:55
  unbelievably huge.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: So they moved them there and then they carved them
• 1:06:59
  perfect symmetrically. It looks like they're three D printed. It's
• 1:07:03
  so strange. It just screams at a loss technology. At least,
• 1:07:08
  it screams that these people had some sort of information
• 1:07:13
  and some sort of education. That is like on a
• 1:07:16
  different path of our We went the way of the
• 1:07:21
  internal combustion engine and transistors and electronics, and they it
• 1:07:26
  seems like they went a totally different way, but maybe
• 1:07:29
  even further. Yeah, but we're scrambled in like our pathway
• 1:07:35
  to advancement is the only one that the human mind
• 1:07:38
  and all its infinite creativity can can conceive of.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: And this is another point regarding like, you know, culture
• 1:07:45
  that could have flourished back in one hundred thousand years
• 1:07:47
  ago whatever. We're always looking for ourselves in the past,
• 1:07:51
  but there's so many different ways that we could have
• 1:07:53
  gone because why did it have to be mass farming,
• 1:07:57
  mass population growth, and then, as you say, kind of
• 1:08:00
  industrial progress. It could have been so many different forms
• 1:08:04
  of human development and human lives.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: And well it could have been if they had enough animals.
• 1:08:09
  They mostly ate animals fish or something. Yeah, mostly eight
• 1:08:13
  animals and fish, which is probably healthier for you anyway.
• 1:08:16
  You know, really what grain is is survival food.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we all got like shorter and less healthy way,
• 1:08:22
  Yeah happened.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we didn't get the right amount of protein.
• 1:08:26
  And our jaws like shrunk because people are eating gruel.
• 1:08:29
  Like if you look at part of the world where
• 1:08:31
  people are eating a lot of like porridge and shit,
• 1:08:33
  their jaws get really small. Not good for us, No,
• 1:08:37
  it's fucking terrible for We're devolving because of our diets,
• 1:08:40
  which is really strange. But if you think about this time,
• 1:08:44
  and especially that part of the world where there was
• 1:08:47
  so much abundant natural resources, that animal agriculture seems super simple.
• 1:08:53
  You just corral a bunch of animals, you build a fence,
• 1:08:55
  and then you eat them and you don't really have
• 1:08:59
  to grow rice.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: So many different ways that culture could have flourished. Yeah,
• 1:09:03
  and yeah, we're always looking for and we just don't
• 1:09:06
  know where to look as well. On the record, like
• 1:09:08
  one point people always make in like my comments and
• 1:09:10
  stuff to try and debunk me, is like, oh, we
• 1:09:12
  would see pollution, we would see kind of lead signals
• 1:09:16
  in the atmosphere or whatever if there was like a
• 1:09:19
  big civilization one hundred thousand years ago. But that's only
• 1:09:22
  the case if it was someone on the scale of
• 1:09:25
  us now.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Because or if they were doing it the way we're
• 1:09:28
  doing it. That's the thing where we're talking about a
• 1:09:30
  completely different pathway. Clearly there's some technology that they had
• 1:09:36
  that we don't understand. Well, when you talk about the
• 1:09:39
  drill holes that they find or the way they had
• 1:09:42
  carved out these enormous, massive chunks of stone and we're
• 1:09:49
  apparently going to move them, we.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Don't understand finished obelisk. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: The unfinished OBLIKX. That's bananas. It's so many of these
• 1:09:56
  things that they they cut out of the ground and
• 1:09:59
  absolutely moved are bananas. So it's like, what what kind
• 1:10:02
  of technology? Why are we assuming that it's going to
• 1:10:05
  be some internal combustion engine that sprays out terrible pollution?
• 1:10:10
  What if they had figured something out.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: I would say, it's entirely possible.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: It's entirely possible because we're going to eventually, if you
• 1:10:18
  give us another thousand years, you will not be able
• 1:10:21
  to recognize any of this nonsense that we use for
• 1:10:23
  technology today, especially when AI gets involved. Did you see
• 1:10:29
  that thing where quantum, a quantum computer supposedly went one
• 1:10:33
  second back in time?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: I was reading that that bullshit.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Now they discovered it six years ago, though it's not new.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: What six years ago, well still still twenty nineteen, but still.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: It went back in time by one second and some
• 1:10:50
  way in quantum.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: What does that even mean exactly? I don't know exactly.
• 1:10:54
  That's mad, but that's us. Now, imagine that technology that
• 1:10:58
  was science fiction twenty years ago. Right, We'll go back
• 1:11:03
  to like the movie Alien and look at their stupid
• 1:11:05
  computers that they had. That that's what they thought people
• 1:11:07
  were gonna have when they were starfaring people. Now think
• 1:11:11
  of this quantum computer experiment where it goes back in
• 1:11:14
  time one second and then go forward one thousand years,
• 1:11:18
  which is nothing. We're talking about four thousand, five hundred
• 1:11:22
  years ago. We might be off by a thousand, So
• 1:11:24
  go to five thousand, five hundred years ago, six thousand.
• 1:11:27
  If you're listening to John Anthony West, he thinks it's
• 1:11:32
  thirty four thousand years.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he thinks, And that sounds so crazy.
• 1:11:36
  But then you look at the kind of length of
• 1:11:38
  time we've been around and it's still quite recent.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still quite recent.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: And that lines up with the sphinx, doesn't it with
• 1:11:44
  the kind of that's the processional cycle.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: How much evidence of a quantum computer from thirty four
• 1:11:51
  thousand years ago would be left? Right? So if we
• 1:11:54
  did get pelted by comments, which we know happened, that's
• 1:11:59
  a fact, there's there.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I saw an estimate I think it was from NASA,
• 1:12:03
  but I'm not one hundred percent sure, but it was
• 1:12:04
  from a kind of scientific journal that Earth is hit
• 1:12:08
  by what they define as a cataclysmic impact every one
• 1:12:12
  hundred thousand years. So that's an impact that's capable of
• 1:12:14
  wiping out a third of today's population every one hundred
• 1:12:18
  thousand years. And one hundred thousand years sounds like a
• 1:12:20
  long time, but again, we've been around for three hundred
• 1:12:23
  thousand years, so theoretically we've been hit by a cataclysmic
• 1:12:26
  impact three times. Already during our story, and that both
• 1:12:29
  has the potential to completely wipe out anyone that was
• 1:12:32
  doing anything sophisticated, but also to wipe the record clean. Yeah,
• 1:12:36
  and that's not the only thing you've got, you know,
• 1:12:38
  super volcanoes, as we talked about, You've got poll shifts,
• 1:12:41
  You've got solar flares, you've got glaciers just scraping across
• 1:12:44
  the landscape and just completely erasing the record. You've got
• 1:12:48
  sea level rise. Sea level rise is a massive one because,
• 1:12:51
  I mean, where have we always lived by the coasts
• 1:12:54
  And if you look at the kind of fluctuation of
• 1:12:57
  sea level rise over the last hundred thousand years, two
• 1:12:59
  hundred thousand, three hundred thousand years, at sea level is
• 1:13:01
  going in and out by hundreds of kilomus at the time,
• 1:13:04
  and nothing is going to be left, right. Wild stuff,
• 1:13:08
  I know, it's crazy.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: It is wild stuff. But again, if someone is a
• 1:13:14
  historian and they got into someone as an archaeologist, and
• 1:13:18
  they got into this because they have this fascination for it,
• 1:13:20
  for them to become professors and then start teaching and
• 1:13:26
  writing books about this stuff and not still be fascinated
• 1:13:30
  by the new stuff is to me so weird. It's
• 1:13:34
  like you missed the whole reason why you got into
• 1:13:37
  this in the first place. You got into this in
• 1:13:39
  the first place is because you're trying to figure out
• 1:13:43
  what happened, how did we get to this point, and
• 1:13:45
  if there's evidence that shows that we don't have the
• 1:13:49
  full picture, and you're ignoring that or dismissing that or But.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: The thing is when you go through these kind of systems,
• 1:13:56
  and I've sort of got experience of this. Obviously, I
• 1:13:58
  was never a professional academic or anything like that, but
• 1:14:01
  you know, I did history for four years. I was
• 1:14:04
  kind of inside and I got to the point where
• 1:14:06
  it was almost, you know, it was do this as
• 1:14:08
  a career, become a professional academic or not. It's very
• 1:14:11
  hard to kind of even think this way because everyone
• 1:14:13
  around you is thinking within these boxes that we've created
• 1:14:17
  for ourselves, and so it's very hard to kind of
• 1:14:19
  open your mind, and you kind of have to do
• 1:14:21
  it in private as well, because no one else is
• 1:14:24
  talking in those terms around you, and you're surrounded by
• 1:14:28
  people that think in quite limited terms. And I don't
• 1:14:30
  say that to kind of be offensive or you know,
• 1:14:32
  doubt anyone's the culture exactly it's the culture, and it
• 1:14:35
  means that no one is It's very hard to think
• 1:14:37
  outside the box when you're kind of in that culture.
• 1:14:40
  And I think that's kind of what creates these you know,
• 1:14:44
  rigid systems of thought, kind.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Of fear based because it's not just discouraged.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: They'll attack you, now, I mean they attack each other
• 1:14:51
  even when they are within.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Just to think about the Clover's first issue.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the best example.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: It's the best example because that guy was destroyed, Yeah, destroyed,
• 1:15:05
  and they were right. They were destroyed for theorizing that
• 1:15:10
  human beings had lived in North America and that had
• 1:15:13
  arrived in North America far before thirteen thousand years ago,
• 1:15:15
  and that was the established timeline of the Clovist people.
• 1:15:19
  And then when they found these footprints in New Mexico
• 1:15:22
  that are twenty two thousand years old.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they hated that as well.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: They hated that, of course, they hated it, but they
• 1:15:28
  hated it just because they were wrong. It's all it is. Man,
• 1:15:31
  it's human ego is so gross. And this brings me
• 1:15:34
  back to psychedelics, because what would psychedelics do that's most important, Well,
• 1:15:38
  the dissolving of the ego. It's one of the most
• 1:15:41
  important aspects of it. It makes you realize the folly
• 1:15:44
  of your ways, you know. And all of these people
• 1:15:47
  that are supposed to be the academics, they're supposed to
• 1:15:50
  be the enlightened ones, they're not enlightened. They're just they
• 1:15:55
  have information, and they hold that information like it's their
• 1:15:59
  identity and write about a lot of things because they
• 1:16:02
  have it studying it, and they do deserve credit for that.
• 1:16:05
  What they've done is amazing. And the understanding that these academics,
• 1:16:09
  these archaeologists and historians can give us of our world
• 1:16:13
  and our history is really cool. It's really awesome. But
• 1:16:16
  there's a whole lot more out there. And for them
• 1:16:19
  to pretend and dismiss people like they should embrace people
• 1:16:22
  like Graham Hancock and then they should correct him when
• 1:16:25
  he's saying something that is wrong. But instead of lying
• 1:16:29
  and then calling him a racist and saying all these
• 1:16:31
  terrible things about them, Well, that just shows me that
• 1:16:33
  you don't really have an argument, and you're trying to
• 1:16:36
  protect your identity. Your identity is the gatekeeper of this
• 1:16:40
  information that is not yours to gatekeeper. It's for the
• 1:16:44
  whole human race to understand what the hell happened.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wish that. You know, we've seen a
• 1:16:51
  suge in interest in ancient history and prehistory and you know,
• 1:16:57
  the story of our species through people like Raham Hancock
• 1:17:01
  who have kind of created a massive interest in this subject.
• 1:17:05
  But instead of embracing that, they see it as a threat.
• 1:17:08
  And I think that's really sad, to be honest, And yeah,
• 1:17:13
  I think it kind of hurts the discipline in general
• 1:17:15
  because if you kind of like embrace that and like
• 1:17:17
  brought him into the table and spoke to him and
• 1:17:19
  kind of agreed, you know, agreed to have the discussion,
• 1:17:22
  then it would create a much kind of more healthy
• 1:17:26
  debate around these things. And when you talk about the
• 1:17:28
  Clovis kind of narrative, because we think that we know
• 1:17:34
  what happened, and thus we know what didn't happen, it
• 1:17:37
  means that people aren't even looking for stuff that now
• 1:17:40
  we know was there, so like they don't they didn't
• 1:17:43
  dig deeper than the Clovis layer until very recently because
• 1:17:47
  they knew that humans weren't around until Clovis. But obviously
• 1:17:51
  that was wrong, so they could have missed so much
• 1:17:53
  stuff and they probably did, I mean, have you seen that.
• 1:17:55
  There's like a to be fair, I think Graham mentioned
• 1:17:57
  it on the show The Surroute Master do one site
• 1:18:00
  just like one hundred and thirty thousand years ago in America?
• 1:18:03
  I mean, if that's human, which it kind of looks.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Like it is, that's debatable though, right, isn't that because
• 1:18:09
  the way the bones are broken, it could have been
• 1:18:11
  from some sort of an accident or an avalanche or something.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it is debatable, but it's also it could
• 1:18:17
  be human. It could easily be human because it kind
• 1:18:19
  of looks like human markings on bones.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, so it looks like scrapings, like they're scraping
• 1:18:24
  the marrow out of the bones exactly, or some some
• 1:18:27
  kind of primitive But why couldn't it have been human?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't necessarily have to be Homo sapien,
• 1:18:32
  But why couldn't another human species have got to the Americas?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it seems like they certainly could have if they
• 1:18:38
  were here twenty two thousand years ago. Like why exactly
• 1:18:41
  what was that time? Why did they figure it out then?
• 1:18:44
  And how they do it? Right, that's the question. How
• 1:18:46
  they do it? And we know that people were seafaring
• 1:18:49
  from what was the earliest seafarers.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: You could argue that Homo erects a seafared eight hundred
• 1:18:55
  thousand years ago, which is just mental, could you really? Well,
• 1:18:58
  they reached places that were isolated, and some people say,
• 1:19:01
  you know, they kind of floated there accidentally booh, which
• 1:19:04
  that is possible, but it seems to be weird that
• 1:19:06
  you'd then like survive and colonize a place.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: We see. That's where it gets so squirrel. If Homo
• 1:19:10
  erectus made a boat, that's bananas.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, Neanderthals were definitely making boats, and this points
• 1:19:15
  to how intelligent they were. They were making sophisticated boats
• 1:19:17
  and sailing across the Mediterranean and colonizing places like Crete
• 1:19:20
  well over one hundred thousand years ago.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Well, we know that the North Sentinel people they arrived
• 1:19:25
  by boat from Africa sixty thousand years ago. Yeah, and
• 1:19:29
  so at least then people were seafairing. Oh definitely, and
• 1:19:32
  probably way earlier than that. So why would we assume
• 1:19:35
  they wouldn't get to the Americas. That seems crazy, I.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Mean, bigger journey, to be fair. But then I guess
• 1:19:40
  if you go across there doing it exactly, if you
• 1:19:43
  go across the top and kind of hop down along
• 1:19:44
  the coast.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Then yeah, not so hard. Well when also there's a problem.
• 1:19:49
  It's like, if you go back twelve thousand years ago,
• 1:19:51
  Canada's covered in ice. Yeah, there's nothing there. It's literally
• 1:19:55
  all ice. So where are they coming from? Well, they
• 1:19:57
  have to be coming from the south.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, there's the kind of theory regarding
• 1:20:02
  the Polynesian kind of island chain, you know, hopping across
• 1:20:07
  the Easter Island and then making one lost hop across
• 1:20:09
  the South America.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Or that's a crazy hop going the other way. It
• 1:20:13
  is a crazy hop because people have always done crazy.
• 1:20:16
  Just the fact that they did it in the fourteen
• 1:20:17
  hundreds is beans pretty crazy.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: And they did that with tech, that was, you know,
• 1:20:22
  no tech. They just did it with the stars.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and would. But then you get to how do
• 1:20:27
  you say that ancient Greek symbol, that ancient Greek mechanism
• 1:20:31
  that they.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Found, the anti Cathera mechanism.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I never could say that antique Cathera. I'll try, I'll
• 1:20:36
  try to remember to get it, but I always forget it.
• 1:20:40
  But that thing is bananas like that. When they first
• 1:20:43
  found it, it just looked like a hunk of shit,
• 1:20:46
  like what is this? And then when they got a
• 1:20:48
  better understanding, I think it was like a long time
• 1:20:50
  after they discovered it that they go, wait a minute,
• 1:20:52
  these are gears, like what it.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: Basically two thousand year old computer? Yeah, at least Also,
• 1:21:00
  so that's not the first one, Like, no one just
• 1:21:01
  someone didn't just develop that. I'm just like, here you go,
• 1:21:03
  just fucking made a computer. Like it was clearly like
• 1:21:06
  you know, a long history of very very technical stuff
• 1:21:09
  right in ancient Greece and could well up in the
• 1:21:11
  ancient Greeks, but also it could have been like well
• 1:21:13
  where did you kind of were's what's the history of
• 1:21:15
  this technology?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: And right more technical than like this modern automatic watch. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:20
  you know modern automatic watch. If you look at the
• 1:21:21
  inside of them, it's crazy. There's springs and gears and
• 1:21:25
  it's all within like this uh saiko is like within
• 1:21:29
  I think it's a couple seconds a day, yeah, Like
• 1:21:32
  that's crazy, and it's all these little and it moves.
• 1:21:35
  It has no power source other than the movement of
• 1:21:37
  your hand. Yeah, and then there are seventy two hour
• 1:21:41
  power reserve, so for seventy two hours you let it
• 1:21:44
  sit there just from the power of your hand from
• 1:21:46
  wearing it. Yeah, nuts and then nuts. But that's normal.
• 1:21:51
  That's a normal thing for a modern watch with these
• 1:21:54
  little tiny gears. This thing's way crazier than and it's
• 1:21:58
  two thousand years old at least. What do they think
• 1:22:02
  it was for.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: I think they thought it kind of like tracked the
• 1:22:05
  Luna cycles and the kind of ellipsical movements of.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the three d ai representation of what
• 1:22:13
  it looked like when it was fully done? See if
• 1:22:15
  you can find that, because it's that that's the most
• 1:22:18
  eye opening of it. Because you're bringing this back to
• 1:22:21
  the time of Christ and someone made a computer during
• 1:22:25
  the time of Christ, Like, what what are we missing?
• 1:22:29
  Like Graham's quote is the best. I love this quote.
• 1:22:32
  We are a species with amnesia. Yeah, and this other
• 1:22:37
  quote that I really love. Things just keep getting older.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: And things do keep getting older.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: They keep getting older. Yeah, And this is something that
• 1:22:43
  people resist for some strange reason, and I don't understand it.
• 1:22:48
  I think it's just because it's attached to these folks
• 1:22:51
  like Graham. Yeah, that's the one look at it. That's
• 1:22:53
  n that's what it used to look like.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: This is a modern reproduction of it.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Oh right, but that that is what it used to
• 1:23:02
  look like, right, that's off of that. Yeah, pieces, so
• 1:23:07
  show me the modern reproduction of what it looked like.
• 1:23:10
  Just imagine, Okay, someone two thousand fucking years ago figured
• 1:23:15
  that out and they have these little representations of the
• 1:23:17
  stars and the planets of the Sun and then all
• 1:23:21
  the planets surround it. Like, first of all, how do
• 1:23:24
  they know all that? How are they seeing these planets?
• 1:23:28
  Like did they have a telescope?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: What are they how do they know how many planets
• 1:23:33
  are in our solar system? What? What did you base
• 1:23:37
  this on?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: And no equivalent technology ever like re emerged into like
• 1:23:41
  you know this inxstenth century with like Swiss clubmakers, right,
• 1:23:44
  So it just.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Makes you wonder like how old is that and what's
• 1:23:47
  that from? And what were there? You know, was there
• 1:23:51
  other stuff like this that we never find.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: First fares. Yeah, I think that's the Oh there's no,
• 1:24:01
  I don't see the evidence that they have for seven
• 1:24:03
  hundred thousand years ago.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I think that's the home of erectis thing tossing it
• 1:24:06
  I googled it.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: And crossing the ag and sea it says they might
• 1:24:09
  have been doing, which there's some islands that were protecting
• 1:24:12
  it from crazy weather potentially made it easier. But that
• 1:24:17
  is I don't know what evidence.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: That is a crazy thing to read. Some evidence suggests
• 1:24:21
  that man may have crossed the sea as early as
• 1:24:23
  seven hundred thousand years ago. Yeah, aren't you happy you
• 1:24:26
  were born today? Imagine trying to gut it out, well,
• 1:24:30
  like tough it out.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: The boys and going across across some fucking sea in
• 1:24:33
  a wooden raft.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you want to eating your friend because there's
• 1:24:37
  no food left. Yeah, it's uh, it's kind of amazing
• 1:24:41
  that we've got as far as we did, but it's
• 1:24:43
  really amazing when they find things like that is the
• 1:24:46
  anti cathere mechanism. I said it right, he did. I'll
• 1:24:49
  try to remember. But just the fact that we found
• 1:24:53
  one of those, and it makes you wonder, like what
• 1:24:56
  what they have in Egypt? You know, what did they
• 1:24:58
  have two thousand years before that? Would they you know?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: What did we miss digging into the stone stuffhere? You're
• 1:25:03
  talking about frequencies. There's a I saw a video recently
• 1:25:06
  that doesn't explain all the Egypt stuff, but there were
• 1:25:09
  frequencies becoming out of these rocks that I don't think
• 1:25:15
  everybody is currently like studying. People have studied it. That's
• 1:25:26
  very basic. But like there's the king's chamber and the
• 1:25:29
  reverberations that happened. I was reading from Archimedes. I think
• 1:25:35
  this quote here when the priest thing and the hymns
• 1:25:38
  of the gods, they sing the seven vowels and due succession,
• 1:25:43
  the sound of these vowels has such euphony. I think
• 1:25:46
  that's that word that men listen to it instead of
• 1:25:48
  the flute and the lyre the leer from two thy
• 1:25:51
  two hundred BC with just.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Like so many ancient sites that are built with kind
• 1:25:55
  of acoustic like resonance in mind.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, so that's what I was getting into this, trying
• 1:26:00
  to find the proof of it. Someone made a video
• 1:26:01
  I saw recently where the somatic stuff shows up all
• 1:26:05
  over the place in some ancient sites. Definitely obviously in
• 1:26:08
  churches and cathedrals. But this is what happens when you
• 1:26:12
  like put sand on a plate and hum on it
• 1:26:16
  of certain vibrations yea, And how you stumble across this
• 1:26:22
  and it just so happens to be the same thing
• 1:26:24
  where like we're discovering, now.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: What is that image of what is that golden this. Yeah,
• 1:26:31
  what's that?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: It's a cathedral. I looked at it a second ago.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Is that in Canada?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: No, the article is from oh, Spain.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: It's in Spain. Whoa, that is wild Okay.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: I was looking into the oldest doors. People found the
• 1:26:51
  oldest doors only like five thousand BC and it was
• 1:26:53
  found in Switzerland somewhere.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: There's an act the oldest active doors in the UK
• 1:27:00
  from nine hundred.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Dad, I think, what are those images of sacred geometry from?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: In that?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Right there? Leonardo da Vinci's original drawing of the flower
• 1:27:08
  of life? How what da Vinci? What what drugs are
• 1:27:11
  you taking?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Son?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: How is he seeing that? Yeah? Well that that's ancient imagery, right,
• 1:27:20
  that's sacred geometry. Those depictions have been around forever.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: He was a crazy dude, DaVinci in a good way.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, smart guy, but bizarrely smart. It's weird when you
• 1:27:32
  have these outliers, these outliers that come out of nowhere,
• 1:27:36
  and like he he he had like a working model
• 1:27:40
  of a flying machine.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and he had like three jobs.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's an amazing artist. Yeah, it's kind of
• 1:27:49
  you know, these these outliers, that's just how many of them,
• 1:27:53
  We never heard of how many of them were from
• 1:27:54
  thirty thousand years ago, how many just we have such
• 1:27:58
  a limited understanding of our history. And I always think like,
• 1:28:03
  if something happened to us right now, what would really
• 1:28:06
  be left? The real problem is everything is either on paper,
• 1:28:11
  and there's not a lot of it on paper anymore.
• 1:28:14
  It's on hard drives, and those things would get cooked.
• 1:28:18
  If there was just a massive solar flare, something huge
• 1:28:21
  that took out our power grid and destroyed all of
• 1:28:24
  our cell phone towers and all our satellites, no more electricity.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: And even if it didn't get cooked, what would you
• 1:28:32
  do with it in ten thousand years found that you
• 1:28:35
  wouldn't know what that was.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't know what that was. You would have to
• 1:28:38
  devise a new version of windows to read it. You know,
• 1:28:43
  it would take so long, and it would probably have
• 1:28:45
  been corroded and wasted away long before that, especially if
• 1:28:50
  something happened it was underwater, Especially if you know the
• 1:28:55
  entire world is on fire because we get hit with
• 1:28:58
  a commet, there wouldn't be much left. And this is
• 1:29:02
  like a really shitty way to store information.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: It's a bit it does feel like a bit of
• 1:29:06
  a risk, doesn't it. It's a giant risk everything we've
• 1:29:09
  ever learned and you know, discovered and thought about.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what happens when your phone dies and
• 1:29:16
  you don't have a backup phone. You're like, oh, no,
• 1:29:18
  I don't know anyone's number.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: And we do that with our entire civilizations knowledge.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Right, and so then you would have just stories and
• 1:29:25
  myths of what things used to be. Like there was
• 1:29:28
  an all female flight crew at Delta. You're like, what
• 1:29:31
  what are you talking about? What does that even mean?
• 1:29:33
  You know, oh, day they had satellites. What are you
• 1:29:35
  talking about? Like? What is the thing is?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: I wonder how many of the satellites would still be
• 1:29:40
  in orbit or whether their orbit would deteriorate and they'd
• 1:29:43
  come crashing down to Earth.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: I think they would decay like relatively quickly, I think.
• 1:29:48
  I mean I'm not sure, but lots of them would,
• 1:29:50
  I think. And when we're talking, big times goes.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's think let's google that how many satellites that
• 1:29:55
  are in orbit today? See if put this into AI,
• 1:29:59
  how many satellites that are in orbit around the Earth
• 1:30:02
  today will be there in one hundred thousand years? Does
• 1:30:11
  a perplexity have an answer for that.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's unlikely that anyone else was doing like
• 1:30:20
  space travel and stuff.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Unlikely.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: I don't thin there's anything on the Moon, for example.
• 1:30:25
  I think we probably see that.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the weird one, right, there's bases in
• 1:30:29
  the dark side of the moon and they're watching us. Eh,
• 1:30:33
  Are you sure?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Well, then there's the weirdest of the moon itself.
• 1:30:40
  That it's the absolute perfect size and the perfect distance
• 1:30:43
  to completely block out the sun. That is weird.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Isn't it real?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: It's real weird because it's not kind of right. It's
• 1:30:53
  perfect precise. It's very precise, so you would need the
• 1:30:56
  precise size and the precise distance. That's weird. And there's
• 1:31:02
  also the fact that it stabilizes our atmosphere. It stabilizes
• 1:31:05
  our environment.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the argument for that is we wouldn't
• 1:31:08
  be here if it wasn't right, if it wasn't the
• 1:31:10
  exact right.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: It's the best answer, it seg You might have to
• 1:31:12
  read the whole thing, But there's thousands of satellites burning
• 1:31:15
  up each year in the atmosphere, is what I got
• 1:31:18
  to the end of. Oh, so thousands of them crashed
• 1:31:20
  down for sure, I mean they so how long do
• 1:31:24
  they last? It's the first That's why I was trying
• 1:31:26
  to track that down. The first one only lasted three months.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: So sput Nick won the Soviet Union in nineteen fifty seven.
• 1:31:32
  Three months later it fell out of orbit.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: It seems like they worked up to about a twenty
• 1:31:36
  five year rule where they don't expect it to last
• 1:31:38
  that long. Wow, it's gonna crash down.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: So in twenty five years there's nothing left.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: But that's why I was trying to googleight, how long
• 1:31:47
  would till the last one if they stopped putting them up?
• 1:31:49
  How long until the last one crashes down?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: It seems like twenty five years.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: That's why then I couldn't get a good answer that way.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Did you put it into AI?
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't. I don't want to. I don't like asking
• 1:32:04
  questions you don't know the answer to to AI, that's
• 1:32:07
  asking questions I know the answer to. Well.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I just like to see how it thinks. I like
• 1:32:11
  to see if it's gonna just bullshit you and lie
• 1:32:14
  to you, or if it's gonna I want to know
• 1:32:16
  when it's bullshit me. Yeah, I don't like know when
• 1:32:18
  it doesn't because you have to trust it. Well, it's
• 1:32:23
  it's also basing all its information on websites yea, and.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know what year it was trained on. I
• 1:32:28
  was watching people talk about sports cards or like, it's
• 1:32:30
  not updated in the last three years. So you don't
• 1:32:32
  even you can't use this data. It's not good data.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Oh really, which one was that?
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know which one they were talking about.
• 1:32:38
  That's there's so many AI opportunities out there.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: It's funny watching people on Twitter use GROC and try
• 1:32:46
  to get Groc to say things it doesn't want to say. Yeah,
• 1:32:50
  and you realize, oh, there's uh an information blockade of
• 1:32:54
  what GROC is allowed to talk about things.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: You can just make it. You can kind of trick
• 1:32:58
  Ali to say whatever you wanted to say.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've seen people do that, like trick it into
• 1:33:02
  saying like, how would you make a bomb?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: And that's almost the bad thing about it is you
• 1:33:07
  can It kind of becomes your own little echo chamber
• 1:33:09
  after a while, if you if you want it to,
• 1:33:11
  if you can kind of convince it to you.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Well, we've done a really terrible job of taking care
• 1:33:15
  of most people. And when then you give these people
• 1:33:19
  access to the kind of power that AI provides them,
• 1:33:22
  they're going to ask naughty questions. Yeah, because they you know,
• 1:33:25
  it's great fun. Though they're not living in harmony. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:33:28
  because we we're a selfish being or a selfish creature.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy thing though, the kind of advent of
• 1:33:36
  large language modelism. Yeah, artificial intelligence and is.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: Mad well, it's it's also we're in the middle of it.
• 1:33:43
  It's happening right now, which is real weird. So like
• 1:33:46
  in our lifetimes, we're potentially witnessing the biggest change to
• 1:33:50
  civilization since the Pyramids.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even in my lifetime, like I was
• 1:33:56
  born in ninety seven, didn't really have I had to
• 1:34:00
  dial up the Internet. I remember when I was a kid,
• 1:34:03
  and then you know, smartphones came along and then obviously
• 1:34:06
  things like AI, and it's just it is pretty ridiculous.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: I was twenty seven years old before I ever got online.
• 1:34:15
  That was when I first got a computer and I
• 1:34:17
  got on AOL. You've got mails, like I've gotten mailed.
• 1:34:21
  This is crazy, yeah, you know, And you could go
• 1:34:24
  to chat rooms and read about stuff, and you could
• 1:34:28
  download informations. I'd print stuff about UFOs and like, this
• 1:34:32
  is the future. I'm living in the future, and we're
• 1:34:37
  very fortunate. I think that we got to see what
• 1:34:39
  life was like with the primitive use of the internet
• 1:34:41
  to what it's become now to a quantum computer can
• 1:34:45
  go back a second in time to you know what
• 1:34:48
  is coming next. We don't know. What's really weird is
• 1:34:52
  imagine if this has been done before. We're assuming that
• 1:34:55
  it hasn't, but imagine if the Egyptians had figured out
• 1:34:59
  something so more it kind of makes sense. I mean,
• 1:35:04
  it sounds preposterous that they did, but why why if
• 1:35:10
  we can do it? Why if we can do it?
• 1:35:12
  If maybe it's just a thing if you leave humans
• 1:35:14
  undisturbed for a long enough amount of time with food,
• 1:35:18
  they start figuring stuff out if you can keep them
• 1:35:21
  from killing each other. And maybe that's the beautiful thing
• 1:35:24
  about the way Egyptian technology had advanced. They didn't split
• 1:35:28
  the atom. Maybe they figured out something else that they
• 1:35:31
  couldn't turn into a weapon.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the I mean they were definitely doing some pretty
• 1:35:36
  mad stuff. And then if you look at those kind
• 1:35:38
  of granite boxes they made, it's completely smooth surface. I mean,
• 1:35:43
  they clearly had some form of technology that we don't
• 1:35:46
  attribute to them. I think that's undisputed. I mean, it
• 1:35:49
  is disputed, but I don't think how. I don't see
• 1:35:50
  how you can logically kind of look at what they
• 1:35:52
  were doing and not think they had some kind of
• 1:35:54
  technology that you know, we don't traditionally attribute them to.
• 1:35:58
  But whether that means they were like some crazy the
• 1:36:00
  advanced civilization or it was built by some other advanced civilization,
• 1:36:03
  you know, that's a bit more hypothetical. But they were
• 1:36:06
  clearly doing stuff that we can't appreciate today, so that
• 1:36:09
  logically suggests they had, you know, something that we don't understand.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: Right right, And when you find from two thousand years ago,
• 1:36:18
  it makes you just really think, like, what did they have?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Well, ancient Greece was very inspired by ancient Egypt, so I.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Mean it could have well come from there exactly. Yeah,
• 1:36:28
  And we you know, we're just guessing. We're just lost
• 1:36:32
  in guessing.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: It's all about interpretation, isn't it. All of history is
• 1:36:36
  about interpretation. It's not a hard science like you know,
• 1:36:40
  physics or I mean physics. This is kind of crazy too,
• 1:36:43
  that's my head, man, It's too much for me. All
• 1:36:45
  that constant physics stuff. But have you ever heard of
• 1:36:47
  the Silurian hypothesis?
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: No, what is it?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: It's kind of linked to this. It's linked to this,
• 1:36:54
  you know, ancient civilization stuff. Is the idea that there
• 1:36:57
  could have been an advanced civilization on our planet one
• 1:37:00
  hundred million years ago, a non human one that oh,
• 1:37:04
  you know was advanced, an industrial and we just wouldn't
• 1:37:07
  see any trace because of how long ago it was,
• 1:37:09
  and they could have been here, and you know, we
• 1:37:12
  just wouldn't know because it's been so long. It's kind
• 1:37:15
  of like where I come from with my kind of
• 1:37:17
  human idea. Obviously it's a further time span, but it's
• 1:37:22
  been It was proposed by two physicists, is why. I.
• 1:37:25
  I just thought of it just then. It's a guy
• 1:37:27
  called Adam Frank, and.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: I've had him Adam on before.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: You've had him on, Adam Frank.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: There you go?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, did you might.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Didn't we let me see you That's a problem that
• 1:37:40
  happens all the time. We're like, yeah, we've had him on.
• 1:37:42
  I know we have. I knew we have. There you go.
• 1:37:46
  I just wanted to check because I have been wrong before.
• 1:37:48
  We talked about a guy. I'm like, who's that guy?
• 1:37:50
  And then like I talked to him for three hours. Okay,
• 1:37:54
  it's happened before. But so this idea is that something
• 1:38:00
  else other than human beings.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: It's just the idea that if it had we wouldn't know.
• 1:38:04
  And because the Earth's been around for so long and
• 1:38:07
  complex multicellular life appeared, you know, relatively early in our
• 1:38:11
  like four billion year history of the Earth or whatever.
• 1:38:13
  I'm not sure on the dates, but we've been around
• 1:38:15
  the Earth rather has been around for so so so long,
• 1:38:18
  and we know that intelligence can emerge because it emerged
• 1:38:22
  with us and happened relatively quickly when you look at
• 1:38:27
  the kind of massive timescale that the Earth's been around
• 1:38:29
  and how long multicellular life has been around. So their
• 1:38:32
  idea is kind of like, well, what what if, you know,
• 1:38:34
  a civilization in the kind of era of the dinosaurs
• 1:38:37
  had you know, become very advanced in an industrial society,
• 1:38:41
  And they say, we would see absolutely no evidence, Like
• 1:38:45
  when I'm talking about human civilization, we would see some
• 1:38:48
  potential evidence like you know, rock carve stone or whatever,
• 1:38:51
  but they would say they wouldn't even see the nuclear
• 1:38:53
  waste deposits because it's that long ago that nothing would survive.
• 1:38:56
  And then I think about that and I think, well,
• 1:38:58
  isn't it almost more likely that something did happen, considering
• 1:39:01
  we know that intelligence can emerge rel as ivery quickly.
• 1:39:04
  Multi cellar life has been on the planet for so so, so,
• 1:39:06
  so so.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: So long, limited understanding of the fossil record.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly, like why couldn't why couldn't something have happened before?
• 1:39:13
  And then then you start getting a bit you know,
• 1:39:15
  stoner about it, and you start thinking, well, maybe they're
• 1:39:17
  still here because they.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: That's what I like to go into dimensional because I
• 1:39:22
  think like, well, if you do have these quantum computers
• 1:39:25
  that can go back one second in time and you
• 1:39:28
  you move forward a thousand years from now and they're
• 1:39:30
  run by AI, like, what can they do? Like what
• 1:39:34
  do they cease to? Do these being cease to exist
• 1:39:37
  in this dimension? Do they develop the ability to be transdimensional?
• 1:39:41
  Do they do they no longer exist in our space
• 1:39:45
  and time? Is that like the emergence of this new
• 1:39:48
  life form and then they observe us? Is that what's
• 1:39:51
  going on?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like if you kind of survive, you know,
• 1:39:54
  a lot longer than we have, and you kind of
• 1:39:56
  get to a different, like kind of level of intelligence.
• 1:39:58
  Then why would you need the kind of physical body,
• 1:40:01
  why would you need the physical realm? And why couldn't
• 1:40:03
  you kind of diverge different dimensions? If such a thing
• 1:40:07
  is possible, We're like.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: We certainly could imagine it taking place somewhere else, another
• 1:40:13
  planet with a similar atmosphere that supports life, and a
• 1:40:16
  given maybe they live in a solar system that doesn't
• 1:40:19
  have an asteroid belt. Yeah right, because there's I'm sure
• 1:40:22
  they must exist where they're not getting pelted all the time.
• 1:40:25
  We're just in a shitty neighborhood. We're basically in a
• 1:40:28
  neighborhood that gets shot up.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: All the time in shooting gallery.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shooting game. And imagine them achieving where
• 1:40:38
  we are at. But then plus a million years and
• 1:40:40
  you can go, oh, yeah, well, I guess all bets
• 1:40:42
  are off in terms of what's possible. You know, a
• 1:40:46
  hundred years ago people were freaking out if they saw
• 1:40:49
  a car. Now we're sending video from a tiny little
• 1:40:54
  screen on your phone instantaneously. It's all nuts and.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: We don't even think at that. You get pissed off
• 1:41:01
  if it doesn't work. What fuck, can't I talk to
• 1:41:04
  this guy in Australia instantly? Like where's my phone?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: Not working?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: And you know, people are addicted to staring at it.
• 1:41:10
  It's like it's pulling you into its gravity. It's it's
• 1:41:13
  all very very weird stuff.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we adjust very quickly to real quick. Yeah, how
• 1:41:19
  technology develops and it's just getting faster and faster and faster.
• 1:41:23
  It makes you think, where will we be in one
• 1:41:25
  hundred years, in five hundred years, if nothing happens.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where will we be? I think we'll be somewhere
• 1:41:32
  really weird. But I'm hoping that as we do advance
• 1:41:37
  and wherever we're going to be, it'll help us understand
• 1:41:40
  where we came from. Like you know, like if if
• 1:41:45
  AI and super intelligence starts examining the history of the
• 1:41:50
  human race, then things can get very interesting and maybe
• 1:41:54
  it could give us places to look like we need
• 1:41:56
  physical you know, human beings or drones on the ground
• 1:42:00
  excavating certain areas. This is like prime place to look. Yeah,
• 1:42:05
  I come.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: I kind of flip between like quite a pessimistic outlook
• 1:42:08
  and quite an optimistic outlook on these things. Like sometimes
• 1:42:11
  I think like it's just gone and we're never going
• 1:42:13
  to know when we can speculate for as much as
• 1:42:14
  we like, but it's gone. And then sometimes I think, no,
• 1:42:17
  like you never know, there's so many places that are
• 1:42:19
  just completely unexcavated, completely unexplored, that we haven't looked at,
• 1:42:23
  like you know, believe the Sahara or on the ocean
• 1:42:26
  floor by these Could I have some coffee?
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Please?
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you of course. And it's there all these
• 1:42:32
  places that you know we have an explored and as
• 1:42:34
  you say technology like AI, thank you, cheers, thank you.
• 1:42:39
  You know, I think sometimes I think, yeah, maybe we
• 1:42:41
  are going to make like these massive discoveries that are
• 1:42:43
  going to completely shift our understanding of history. And as
• 1:42:47
  you say, the kind of Gezer, the findings beneath Geza,
• 1:42:50
  that could be a moment, and I'm always looking for that.
• 1:42:53
  But then sometimes I flip again, I think, you know,
• 1:42:55
  maybe we'll never find anything, and I just don't know.
• 1:42:57
  Maybe I'm just speculating for no reason. Lets you just stop.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Have you seen Ben on Uncharted X his he has
• 1:43:05
  a very recent video of these I don't even know
• 1:43:10
  how you describe it. There's these underground structures in Egypt
• 1:43:16
  that he says are bigger than the Giza plateau that
• 1:43:19
  are underground, and there's a historical record of these things
• 1:43:25
  where people had talked about them, like you know, way
• 1:43:28
  back even explorers had visited them and found them to
• 1:43:32
  be more spectacular than what is actually on the ground.
• 1:43:36
  That the underground thing was even crazier.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: And that makes the question why why underground? Why why
• 1:43:44
  do we find all this underground construction?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Hey? Whoa was that?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: That's his theme music? I even recognize that, shout outs
• 1:43:55
  on X Yes he's coming on soon to talk about
• 1:43:57
  this very thing. He's awesome, He's really awesome, and he
• 1:44:00
  spends so much time down there. So he did something
• 1:44:07
  are you talking about?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: He did a video on the unknown ancient site. So
• 1:44:11
  the unknown a seed to be greater than the pyramids
• 1:44:14
  confirmed with satellite scams.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I haven't seen this.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Give us the coming up. Just put it.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: Just so many different techniques, the gscan and Milne Borrow's
• 1:44:23
  satellite technologies. I mean, they're vastly different techniques. They seem
• 1:44:27
  to be aligned. They're telling you the same things. So
• 1:44:29
  they found something like there's something down there. What is
• 1:44:32
  down there seems to be also quite a mystery. The
• 1:44:36
  central object is hard to classify. It appears metallic, not
• 1:44:39
  stone or wood, a freestanding forty meter long metallic tic
• 1:44:45
  tac shaped object, approximately what fifty sixty meters below the
• 1:44:50
  ground in a huge, big open corridor an atrium. Come on, like,
• 1:44:53
  this is a remarkable claim.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy video. And he goes deep into the
• 1:45:01
  history of people talking about these sites, and even ancient
• 1:45:06
  explorers who wrote about visiting Egypt would talk about how
• 1:45:11
  it was even more spectacular underground here it is, uh,
• 1:45:17
  this is uh how do you say his name?
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: Petrie? Yeah, he's he He's written a lot because he
• 1:45:23
  was like one of the first people Flanders.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Petrie. Yeah, so is there are those the names of
• 1:45:28
  the sites he's talking about. Hawara and ourson Arcion was
• 1:45:34
  definitely Arseneau Arsenal. So it says on that space could
• 1:45:38
  be erected the Great Hall of Karnak and all successive
• 1:45:42
  temples adjoining it, and the Great Court and the pylons
• 1:45:46
  of it, also the Temple of Moot and that of
• 1:45:49
  how do you say that? Consu Consu and the Amenhotep,
• 1:45:54
  the third at Karnak, also the two great temples of Luxor,
• 1:45:58
  and still there would be room for the whole of Ramesium.
• 1:46:06
  What does that mean? In short, all the temples of
• 1:46:08
  the east of Thebes, And I'm sorry if I'm butchering
• 1:46:12
  these names folk and one of the largest of the
• 1:46:16
  West Bank might be placed together in the one area
• 1:46:21
  in the ruins of Hawara. Here we certainly have a
• 1:46:26
  sight worthy of the renown which the Labyrinith acquired. So
• 1:46:30
  this is an ancient explorer who's talking about he actually
• 1:46:36
  got into this area. The problem now is it's all submerged,
• 1:46:40
  so it's been flooded and it's very difficult to do
• 1:46:45
  any kind of archaeological work. I don't know.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was one of the first people in.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people they're like crawling into these holes and swimming
• 1:46:54
  in Now it's it's real weird. It's like you could
• 1:46:58
  die in there. So someone's got to figure out how
• 1:47:00
  to get the fucking water out of there. And what
• 1:47:02
  is that? So if this guy's accurate with what he's
• 1:47:05
  talking about, again, explain that. Explain how you've got something
• 1:47:12
  that's even greater than what you're seeing above the surface,
• 1:47:15
  underneath fifty meters down in the stone.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: And why underground, why so much harder?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly like what were they doing? Were they hiding? This
• 1:47:25
  is just like what happened when cataclysmus cataclysms took place.
• 1:47:28
  They said, Bulson, we need to develop a way to
• 1:47:31
  survive these things. Let's get underground.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: And there's so many if the world as well. Yeah,
• 1:47:36
  like people are always well ancient people were always building
• 1:47:38
  underground construction, and we can't explain how they did it,
• 1:47:41
  who did it, or why they did it today And again,
• 1:47:44
  no one well no one in the mainstream really kind
• 1:47:47
  of looks into that.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sight in Turkey. Wasn't it supposed to house
• 1:47:50
  like ten thousand people? Yeah, and there's number like two
• 1:47:53
  thousand people at.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Least I think I can't remember off the top of
• 1:47:55
  my head.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: But it's huge, huge. I think it might be twenty
• 1:47:59
  thousand people.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: Massive.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: That sounds better and yeah, sounds more exciting. But it
• 1:48:04
  is massive, and they don't know how they did and
• 1:48:05
  they carved it at a stone.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: You don't know who builds it.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: There's no evidence of the stone being left anywhere. It's
• 1:48:11
  not like there's a big pile of it outside of it.
• 1:48:13
  It's real weird. Yeah, twenty thousand, they go twenty thousand
• 1:48:16
  people together with their livestock and food stores. So twenty
• 1:48:19
  thousand people, livestock and food stores extending to a depth
• 1:48:23
  of approximately eighty five meters underground.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: And no one knows who built that.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: That's around nuts.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: And the kind of argument is that they built it
• 1:48:33
  to uh kind of look like protect themselves from an
• 1:48:37
  invading army. But that's never made sense to me, because
• 1:48:40
  if you were attacking those people, you just block the entrances, yeah,
• 1:48:43
  and then start fires.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that seems silly. It seems like more likely
• 1:48:48
  what they were doing was escaping whatever the fuck was
• 1:48:51
  on the surface.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: And so who built that and why? And how old
• 1:48:53
  is it because again it's you know, stone that could
• 1:48:56
  survive for so long.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Right, and also did you build it after a cataclysm?
• 1:49:02
  Like how do you do it? Do you know it's coming?
• 1:49:04
  And that's how you build it? No, you didn't know
• 1:49:06
  it's coming unless it's happened, unless it happens regularly. And
• 1:49:09
  they realized the only way to survive it is to
• 1:49:11
  get underground.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess you could. You know, it could be
• 1:49:14
  the remnants of an earlier culture that was wiped out,
• 1:49:16
  and right, they had like a memory of maybe passed
• 1:49:19
  down three minutes.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: Look at how nuts that is.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: I was thinking too, like, no one willow like leaf
• 1:49:23
  cutter ins do it. This couldn't have been the first
• 1:49:25
  one they made.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah't get exactly right exactly.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: I figure out how to make all those chambers to
• 1:49:29
  breathe and stuff.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: That's so bananas. Do that. That's eighty five meters into
• 1:49:33
  the ground. So crazy, and then it's so crazy.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Another great one is long U Caves in China, which
• 1:49:39
  is just there's just zero explanation of what that is
• 1:49:42
  or who built it. There's no record of its construction.
• 1:49:44
  It's have you seen you see You've seen long You Caves?
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pull out up.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: That's nuts too, absolutely crazy.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: How old is that supposed to be?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: No one else? They have no idea who built it.
• 1:49:53
  It's just like what is this?
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: And they don't know who builds it. There's no record
• 1:49:58
  of who builds it. They didn't know what it was for.
• 1:50:00
  There's no deposits of stone, there's no tools found nearby.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Do they have a theory of the timeline?
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think so. I mean to be fair,
• 1:50:07
  it's in China, so it's kind of like it's not.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: It's a found whoa a farmer? Four farmers.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: There's twenty four of them like looking like that, twenty
• 1:50:18
  four at least two thousand years old.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: Go to a video of it so we could see
• 1:50:24
  because the caves when when you people when people walk
• 1:50:27
  around it with a camera, it's Benis.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: And there's twenty four distinct ones that look like that,
• 1:50:33
  And it's just like, who's do you.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: Want still visit China without going to jail? What happens? Oh?
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: This is Mike Collins. He's great wondering Wolf.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's the one who does all that stuff about
• 1:50:45
  that wall in Montana too.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this age will very weird.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: That man Montana thing is very weird. I go back
• 1:50:52
  and forth on that one being man made or.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's the case for so many like of these things.
• 1:50:56
  It's like it could be natural, but they're not. This
• 1:50:58
  one though, this is definitely not fucking Actually.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: Imagine in nineteen ninety two some farmers are just fucking
• 1:51:03
  around and they find this twenty four of them as well,
• 1:51:06
  and they're like, YEO, what did we find?
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: I think the carvings are modern? Oh they are, I
• 1:51:12
  think so. I think from the parallel lines they don't
• 1:51:17
  know what they are. They have no idea why the
• 1:51:19
  parallel lines are there. But I think the kind of
• 1:51:21
  carvings depicting like mystical Chinese stuff, is it kind of
• 1:51:25
  modern addition?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Oh like brand new?
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like since they discovered it.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: Oh really, like even those ones on the wall right there,
• 1:51:32
  that's so gross.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: I think so I made might be worth checking.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: I hope they didn't do that. Oh that would be gross,
• 1:51:41
  you imagine.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's always that. That site has just always
• 1:51:44
  baffled me because again, if you look at the Wikipedia
• 1:51:46
  page for that site, it's it's just like three lines,
• 1:51:49
  but just like, what the fuck is this?
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So the carvings are those really old? Are those modern?
• 1:51:56
  What made you think that they're modern?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: Because I did a little video and I mentioned this
• 1:52:02
  in a video, and during my research of that, I
• 1:52:04
  saw that.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: Oh so in the research you found out that they
• 1:52:07
  were modern. Yeah, okay, So the lines, it seems to
• 1:52:10
  be the parallel line seems to be like how they
• 1:52:13
  dug all the stuff out, like one layer at a time.
• 1:52:15
  Would you think that? Yeah?
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: But like how and what using?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Twenty four of them? And also they're all so precisely identical.
• 1:52:22
  It's like, what tool you're using to make sure this
• 1:52:24
  was so identical?
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Right? Like what tool you carving stone with to make
• 1:52:30
  a giant cave. One particular cave stands out for its
• 1:52:33
  detailed carvings of dragons, animals, people, and figures closely resembling
• 1:52:37
  the eight immortals from Daoist mythology. These depictions suggests a
• 1:52:41
  deep connection to Daoism. Whether these carvings were part of
• 1:52:44
  the original structure or added later after the caves were
• 1:52:47
  rediscovered in nineteen ninety two remains a topic of debate.
• 1:52:51
  After close examining of the carvings and noticing a unique
• 1:52:53
  method used to chip away at the rock for these images,
• 1:52:56
  it seems likely that they were added later, perhaps turning
• 1:52:59
  the cave into sacred place, reflecting the religious beliefs at
• 1:53:03
  the time. Oh so, some gross people carved into it
• 1:53:06
  in nineteen ninety two. It's so crazy that you did that, guys,
• 1:53:13
  because that's probably what people have done throughout time. I
• 1:53:16
  bet that's you know, the probably the people that like
• 1:53:18
  put their dead body in the pyramid.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing with all the other things
• 1:53:22
  in Egypt, is they people have carved hieroglyphics onto that,
• 1:53:24
  But that doesn't mean that that's when the original thing
• 1:53:27
  was built.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: Can you go back to the video, please, Jimmy of
• 1:53:29
  that site so we could see, like what it looks
• 1:53:32
  like when you're walking around in it. Because the fact
• 1:53:37
  that they don't really know who made it and the
• 1:53:41
  fact that these farmers found it in nineteen ninety four,
• 1:53:44
  when you see the scope of it, that's where.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: It really sets in unbelievably big.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think like images are cool, but the
• 1:53:51
  way this guy's walking around it, you really get it.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: I think after time's out by twenty four.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Imagine those farmers like, should we tell anybody if we
• 1:53:59
  don't going to kill us, they might kill us anyway?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: How much was added than afterwards if they did the
• 1:54:06
  how much like stairs?
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the stairs are added, for sure. I
• 1:54:10
  bet right the stairs at that guy's are.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: But again, what was this like, why did they do
• 1:54:17
  all that?
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: Shit? Looks new? Yeah? Why did they?
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: Like? What is this.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: The carvings?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're trying to make the carvings to make it
• 1:54:27
  seem like it was older and people would come wonder
• 1:54:29
  and just come look and be a tourist.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Attraction, like maybe without art, they didn't think it would
• 1:54:34
  get enough people to visit.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's also to kind of connect it to
• 1:54:37
  kind of you know, throw more like contemporary cultural China
• 1:54:41
  rather than because I mean, who knows how old this
• 1:54:43
  could be. That's crazy, because it's fine.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. The fact that they just found it,
• 1:54:51
  just stumbled on it. That's what's the weirdest thing about
• 1:54:55
  some of the discoveries, because that's the same with go
• 1:54:57
  Beckley Teppe. It was a sheep herder, right.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: If someone found Quebecy Teppe in the sixties and they
• 1:55:02
  didn't think it was anything so they left it. Really yes,
• 1:55:05
  like that guy fucking missed the boat a little no way. Yeah,
• 1:55:07
  some American archaeologist found it in the sixties, well we
• 1:55:09
  find I can't remember, but they found like a little
• 1:55:13
  bit of it, and they were like, oh, this is
• 1:55:15
  clearly just some like, you know, contemporary Bronze age society.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: I must have shot himself. He could be a storic.
• 1:55:26
  I could have been the guy instead of a fucking sheepherder. Yeah,
• 1:55:30
  because there was a guy who just found like a stone,
• 1:55:33
  right yea, yeah, here it is nineteen sixties survey conducted
• 1:55:39
  by archaeologists from Istanbul University and the University of Chicago
• 1:55:42
  found some flint and limestone artifacts, but they didn't perceive
• 1:55:46
  the site as anything more than a medieval cemetery. Whoops, whoopsies, whoopsies. Yeah,
• 1:55:52
  that was the find of your career and you found
• 1:55:54
  that's what a slip up. So the sheepherder that found,
• 1:56:00
  I think he just found like a corner of something
• 1:56:03
  and he like kicked it with his boot and was
• 1:56:06
  like what is this and then started looking around and
• 1:56:08
  scraping it off, And then I think once he realized
• 1:56:11
  it was really big, they started He goes like, maybe
• 1:56:13
  I should call somebody. Yeah, I called somebody and knows
• 1:56:16
  how to dig.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: The whole like five percent excavation thing is so puzzling
• 1:56:19
  Quebecley's EPPE because I mean, to be clear, that's kind
• 1:56:21
  of how that's like normal practice. I think, yeah, farchelogy,
• 1:56:25
  But you would have think that Goebecley's appe is like
• 1:56:28
  a bit more of a it's a special case.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's normal, that's that should But it's also they
• 1:56:35
  make a lot of money off of tourism of people
• 1:56:37
  visiting it. The way it is, and that would disrupt
• 1:56:41
  everything if you had a bunch of eggheads dig it
• 1:56:43
  into the ground all around you. I see that. But
• 1:56:46
  you know, then they started doing weird stuff like planting
• 1:56:49
  olive trees above the ruins, and everyone was telling them like, hey, guys,
• 1:56:53
  if you do that, these trees are gonna grow roots.
• 1:56:55
  The roots are going to destroy what's underneath them. And
• 1:56:58
  they're like, no, everything's gonna be fine. And then they realized, oh,
• 1:57:00
  it's actually destroying underneath it.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: That's like a microcosm of the problem with a small
• 1:57:07
  section of very vocal kind of mainstream archaeologists. I think
• 1:57:10
  the whole tree controversy regarding Quebecley tape is because it
• 1:57:14
  was Jimmy, right, Jimmy.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: Bright, Yeah exactly. He can't go there anymore.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not surprised he might have snuck in,
• 1:57:21
  did a video.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, video. But I think he's banned from the country,
• 1:57:25
  from the whole of Turkey. I think he's banned from
• 1:57:27
  the site at the very least.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense because I'm mad.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: At him for telling the truth exactly exactly.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: Whatever you think of Jimmy, like he was wright.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Let's find out he's banned. I don't want to get
• 1:57:36
  Turkey mad at me, because I think Turkey's probably the
• 1:57:40
  that's probably the birthplace of civilization, of what we think
• 1:57:45
  of as civilization. I mean, there's so many different things
• 1:57:47
  that they found in Turkey. Now it's starting to lean
• 1:57:49
  people to think that like maybe that spot, maybe we've
• 1:57:53
  you know, it's there was probably a bunch of places
• 1:57:59
  like that in the Middle East where civilization had sort
• 1:58:03
  of emerged from whatever had happened before, or the Sahara
• 1:58:08
  or the Sahara. Yeah, what do you think about the Reshard.
• 1:58:12
  Let's get that in a second here. Oh yeah, Turkey
• 1:58:14
  should have banned me when they had a chance. If
• 1:58:16
  my price Jimmy's so crazy, Uh, if my prior work
• 1:58:22
  on go Beckley Teppe upset them, what I will share
• 1:58:25
  in the coming days weeks is going to take things
• 1:58:27
  to another level. But because we are we were cunning
• 1:58:31
  around various security protocols and aided with exceptional timing, we
• 1:58:35
  got the footage. Our ancient history belongs to humanity. I agree.
• 1:58:39
  Anyone that opposes that has no place controlling our lost history.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: Good for you, Jimmy, Yeah, I mean, what if you
• 1:58:45
  think about him, he was right about the trees and
• 1:58:47
  the fact that they had these people kind of coming
• 1:58:49
  out defending the trees and saying the trees were good
• 1:58:51
  for archaeologrical sites.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, I don't know what Jimmy has a degree in,
• 1:58:55
  if anything, but he clearly knows a lot about ancient
• 1:58:58
  history and he's really interested in it. And this again
• 1:59:01
  this gatekeeping, Like if you watch his videos and he
• 1:59:04
  constantly gets smeared with all sorts of different horrible claims
• 1:59:09
  that he's this and he's that, and he's like, if
• 1:59:11
  you watch his videos, you know that's not true. He's
• 1:59:14
  He's just a guy who is very fascinated and deeply
• 1:59:18
  informed on a lot of the timelines of all these
• 1:59:21
  different things and how interesting they are, and he likes
• 1:59:24
  to make videos of them. And that's a good thing.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: Why shouldn't he be allowed to speculate.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: He's just a guy speculating, and he's he's really fair
• 1:59:32
  and balanced with how he talks about that, and he's
• 1:59:34
  good at it.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Man. He puts together arguments really well. And you just
• 1:59:38
  mentioned the Reshot structor thing. I've watched his videos on
• 1:59:40
  that and like it's interesting, man, the way he kind
• 1:59:42
  of connects what Plato was saying about Atlantis and brings
• 1:59:45
  it to the reshot is interesting stuff.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting because it's also he talks about how
• 1:59:51
  Plato would talk about the mountains to the north and
• 1:59:53
  the river to the side. He's like, this all lines
• 1:59:55
  up concentric rings in the same size as was just
• 2:00:00
  described is atlantic and.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: The Simon Rossall river system used to run, so it
• 2:00:04
  was surrounded by wolves.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: How come everybody's like, nah, Well, it's because you can't
• 2:00:09
  prove it. Well, it's a little bit of that, but
• 2:00:11
  it's also because this YouTube guy is the one talking
• 2:00:14
  about it, and that's if they admit that he was right,
• 2:00:17
  that would drive them fucking crazy.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: They had to with the trees, had to move them.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he's right about Atlantis too. I
• 2:00:25
  think he might be right. There's something about that that's weird.
• 2:00:29
  It's also weird if you look at it from a
• 2:00:31
  satellite perspective, the satellite imagery where you get to see
• 2:00:34
  where it all looks like it's been washed over by water.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the whole thing looks exactly like sand looks
• 2:00:41
  when the tide comes in and then pulls back. It's
• 2:00:44
  all rippled and it looks like it was pummeled by water.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and match the sinking into the sea in a
• 2:00:52
  single day and night exactly.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: And also like how many stories from ancient history to
• 2:00:59
  pick floods. There's so many of them, Like we can't
• 2:01:03
  are we going to ignore all them as myth?
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: Well, the idea that myth doesn't hold any kind of
• 2:01:09
  use in understanding the past is just ridiculous because the
• 2:01:13
  myth is powerful because it's the thing we've collectively remembered
• 2:01:16
  as a species, isn't it. So why would we dismiss
• 2:01:19
  that as a kind of you know, historical record. And
• 2:01:22
  then you've got examples of like indigenous cultures that remember
• 2:01:28
  that remember kind of scientific information through myth. I always
• 2:01:31
  go to this example of these kind of islanders during
• 2:01:34
  the tsunami in two thousand and four, and they they
• 2:01:38
  the way it went. It was the Andaman Islands and
• 2:01:40
  the kind of you know, Western scientists or whatever went
• 2:01:42
  to the island after the Boxing Day tsunami and they
• 2:01:45
  were like everyone's going to be dead, like they're all
• 2:01:47
  going to have been wiped out by this tsunami. And
• 2:01:49
  they were fine because they had this myth in their
• 2:01:51
  culture that when the sea recedes, you get to high
• 2:01:54
  ground because then the waves are going to come that
• 2:01:56
  will eat men. And that myth, you know, that is
• 2:02:00
  coded scientific information regarding the tsunamis, and that saved their
• 2:02:04
  cultures lives, and they had like no casualties compared to
• 2:02:06
  you know, Western modern people.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Who everybody else was like, wow, look at all the
• 2:02:11
  same Yeah, and they were like I thought the beach
• 2:02:13
  was over here.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would get fucking killed. And then these people
• 2:02:17
  with their myths scientific information survived.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: There's a guy who was hiking in Russia when the
• 2:02:24
  most recent tsunami hit, and he was on a cliff
• 2:02:27
  and you see the ocean come in and like reach
• 2:02:30
  the top of the cliff where his dog is. See
• 2:02:33
  if you can find it. It's crazy because he films
• 2:02:37
  the thing coming in, like this guy is way above
• 2:02:40
  the ocean. Yeah, when it starts and then the water
• 2:02:44
  is reaching where he is with his dog.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: It's just for the testament to the power of nature.
• 2:02:48
  And we just constantly underestimate nature.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: And that was just a little wiggle in the ocean.
• 2:02:54
  That's just a little wiggle, just a little earthquake, a
• 2:02:57
  little eight pointer, And.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: You think about some of the ship going on all
• 2:03:01
  the time on.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: Earth commet impacts and like, watch this. So look how
• 2:03:05
  high this guy is right way, way up right. And
• 2:03:08
  so as he's up here, you know, he's seeing the
• 2:03:12
  waves come in.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: He must have known that this was going to happen,
• 2:03:17
  because everybody knew this was going to happen. So watch
• 2:03:22
  how it's coming in now. And now it keeps coming.
• 2:03:28
  It keeps coming all the way to the top where
• 2:03:31
  he is. It's nuts. Look at Hiss, like, yo, I
• 2:03:39
  would be freaking out. I would be running on it.
• 2:03:41
  I wouldn't. I wouldn't trust it. What if it goes
• 2:03:44
  over the top where you're at, you're just guessing. Bro,
• 2:03:48
  Look how high this water gets.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: Terrifying.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: Look at that. The dog's about to get jacked. I mean,
• 2:03:55
  if you get trapped in that, like the bitch, you
• 2:03:57
  are not swimming to shore, that's your life. It's over.
• 2:04:00
  I don't care if you're laired Hamilton. Well he might
• 2:04:02
  swim through that, But isn't that nuts?
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're fucked.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: That water got all the way to the top of
• 2:04:09
  that hill. And that's that is like doesn't even register
• 2:04:14
  in the news. That's just like all the time. That's
• 2:04:17
  a thing that happened, just like a thing like, no
• 2:04:20
  big deal. No one will remember that in five years,
• 2:04:23
  No one will remember that in ten years. But if
• 2:04:26
  a fucking comet slams into the ocean right there, or
• 2:04:29
  slams into a glacier, a comet the size of you know,
• 2:04:34
  a few city blocks, that's a rap. Yeah, that's a rap.
• 2:04:38
  You have massive flooding, like instantaneous millions of gallons of
• 2:04:45
  water tearing through the landscape. No more ice cap it's
• 2:04:49
  all gone.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just any kind of coach that was possibly around,
• 2:04:54
  it's just wipes completely wipe clean from the earth.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're Dunsville. There's nothing left. And that's real. This
• 2:05:04
  isn't speculation like that. We look at the Tonguska impact
• 2:05:09
  and that was the same sort of comet storm that
• 2:05:12
  we passed through at the same time of year, and
• 2:05:16
  it flattened like this enormous chunk of Siberia that still
• 2:05:20
  doesn't have trees on it.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was that's quite a smooth thing.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it didn't even hit is Yeah.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: So and if that happened over a city, yes, like millions.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: Dead, millions, So that could be happening on this planet
• 2:05:35
  on a regular basis.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's kind of facts that we get
• 2:05:40
  hit by stuff.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: We're always finding a crater. We're like, oh, this one's
• 2:05:43
  three million years old. Look at this fucking crater three
• 2:05:45
  million years ago. Everyone's fucked.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: If that estimate is correct, that we're hit by, you know,
• 2:05:51
  a cataclysmic impact once every hundred thousand years, then I mean,
• 2:05:56
  what does that mean.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what it gets really weird if you're talking
• 2:05:59
  about like a civilization, like you know, millions of years ago.
• 2:06:04
  Like imagine if there was some sort of advanced life
• 2:06:07
  form millions of years ago and then something like that.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that wheel that's like three hundred million
• 2:06:13
  years old or it's like a preserve It looks just
• 2:06:16
  like a wheel. Have you seen Jamie? Could you please
• 2:06:19
  search three hundred million year old.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: Wheel at this one.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: I've just seen it about and like, it looks like
• 2:06:28
  a wheel. It doesn't mean it is a wheel, but
• 2:06:30
  it looks remarkable.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: Well, there's some of the stuff from.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing just kind of looks like a wheel.
• 2:06:36
  And they found it in a mine and then they
• 2:06:37
  flooded the mine, which is a bit weird. But there's
• 2:06:40
  there's a couple better images of it. I don't know
• 2:06:43
  if they'll be on this page, but yeah, there you
• 2:06:45
  go that it's like spokes and a wheel, and I
• 2:06:48
  mean it could be natural, but I mean, what the
• 2:06:52
  fuck is that?
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: That looks really weird?
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: What are these these fossilized tracks?
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these are we'll say sleeper oad that called cot ruts.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: Again found in Turkey, Yeah, right, including Sofka where they
• 2:07:09
  like I said that, where they cover an area approximately
• 2:07:12
  forty five by ten miles And how do you say
• 2:07:15
  that one? There's a lot of words today. Cappadosia home
• 2:07:20
  to several clusters of tracks. The discovery of these ruts
• 2:07:23
  around the world the spark debate regarding their purpose, age,
• 2:07:26
  and origins in Malta, especially due to the proximity of
• 2:07:29
  the tracks to megalithic structures and the fact that some
• 2:07:32
  are now submerged beneath the sea.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen some of them in and they go
• 2:07:37
  off cliffs.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: Many researchers suggest these fossilized lines indicate significant antiquity. So
• 2:07:43
  if this is like mud that they were pulling these
• 2:07:47
  things through, or dirt that they were pulling these things
• 2:07:49
  through and then it eventually fossilized into tracks. Like what
• 2:07:53
  else would be the explanation for something that looks exactly
• 2:07:55
  like tracks? Is there a natural explanation for those kind
• 2:08:00
  of formations. I didn't see anyone providing no one hasn't
• 2:08:06
  no one has no. I mean I didn't really know
• 2:08:08
  about the ones on motive because I went there and
• 2:08:10
  kind of researched it. But those ones, they don't dispute
• 2:08:12
  that they're definitely my mate, They just well, hold on,
• 2:08:15
  they're definitely man made. Because listen to what this says.
• 2:08:18
  I first saw tracks and stone fossilized car or terrain
• 2:08:21
  vehicle traces usually called cart ruts, a neogen plantation surfaces,
• 2:08:28
  pentepleine in Phigrian, Frygian fry Gan Frygan plane. In May
• 2:08:35
  of twenty fourteen. They were situated in the field of
• 2:08:38
  development of Middle and Late How do you say that
• 2:08:41
  Miocene Miocene toughs? Yeah, and tough tough fights and according
• 2:08:47
  to age analysis of nearby volcanic rocks had Middle Mio
• 2:08:51
  scene age of twelve to fourteen million years.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is tucky not MOTSA. But again, I mean,
• 2:08:59
  you've got these caught ruts to look like, you know,
• 2:09:01
  some sort of track and millions of years old, and
• 2:09:04
  then to find that wheel nearby.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy, and you're like, what is this? I
• 2:09:10
  will look at what this as Cultipin holds. Okay, the
• 2:09:15
  region that doctor Cultipin studied is relatively obscure, with guidebooks
• 2:09:20
  offering little to no information about it. While mainstream researchers
• 2:09:23
  argue that the tracks are merely petrified remnants of old
• 2:09:26
  cart ruts left by wheeled vehicles pulled by donkeys or camels,
• 2:09:30
  Coultipin holds a different perspective, Rejecting these conventional explanations. He
• 2:09:35
  stated firmly, I will never accept it. I will always
• 2:09:39
  remember many other inhabitants of our planet wiped from our history.
• 2:09:45
  His research suggested a deeper, perhaps forgotten history of Earth
• 2:09:49
  and its past civilizations.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: Like what because if it's that's the Silarion hypothesis, if
• 2:09:53
  it was millions of years ago, how.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: Would we if we wouldn't not you imagined millions of
• 2:09:57
  years ago people had the wheel or something people something
• 2:10:01
  whatever they were was pulling things on wheels and they
• 2:10:06
  had cart ruts in the ground. So maybe they didn't have.
• 2:10:12
  This is fucking crazy. Cultipant theorizes that the civilization responsible
• 2:10:17
  for driving these heavy vehicles likely built the numerous identical roads, ruts,
• 2:10:22
  and underground complexes scattered across the Mediterranean region more than
• 2:10:28
  twelve million years ago. He acknowledges that petrification can occur
• 2:10:33
  relatively quickly, but points to the heavy mineral deposits on
• 2:10:37
  the tracks and signs of erosion as evidence of a
• 2:10:41
  much older timeline. He also connects these tracks to surrounding
• 2:10:44
  underground cities, irrigation systems, and wells, which he believes are
• 2:10:49
  millions of years old.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's so related to it.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: This is so crazy. On his websit, like Coultipin wrote,
• 2:11:01
  Oh I'm not fucking his name up. We are dealing
• 2:11:04
  with extremely tough lithefied petrified sediments covering covered with a
• 2:11:09
  thick layer of weathering that takes millions of years to develop,
• 2:11:13
  full of multiple cracks with newly developed minerals in them,
• 2:11:17
  which could only emerge in periods of high tectonic activity.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: Whoa pretty crazy, huh.
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: That's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.
• 2:11:30
  That's crazy because I knew those cart ruts existed, but
• 2:11:35
  I didn't look into them. I didn't know what the
• 2:11:37
  timeline was. I didn't know that there's anybody that's even
• 2:11:40
  speculating that thing looks like a fucking wheel and it is.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: Right in the same place. So you've got this fossilized
• 2:11:44
  wheel and these fossilized cart ruts from hundreds of millions
• 2:11:47
  of years ago.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: The wheel was printed in a sandstone of the roof.
• 2:11:53
  Guys drifters tried to cut away to find with the
• 2:11:56
  pickamers and try to take it out to the surface,
• 2:12:00
  but sandstone was so strong and firm, and having been
• 2:12:03
  afraid to damage a print, they have left it in place.
• 2:12:07
  At present, the mine is closed and access to the
• 2:12:10
  object is impossible, the equipment dismantled, and the given layers
• 2:12:16
  are already flooded. Uh, get in there. Why would it
• 2:12:21
  like that?
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was something to do with like just
• 2:12:24
  I don't think it's like some conspiracy like hide the wheel,
• 2:12:26
  hide the wheel, But I mean maybe, but I think
• 2:12:28
  it's more just like the practice of what they would
• 2:12:30
  they will finish their mining thing, and they found this wheel.
• 2:12:33
  They weren't going to excavate the wheel because they were.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: Like, bro, if that's a real wheel, if someone can
• 2:12:38
  carve that out of there and realize, like if scientists
• 2:12:41
  look at it, if they get a three D scan
• 2:12:43
  of it, and they go, Okay, we have to completely
• 2:12:48
  rethink everything. If something had a wheel twelve million years ago,
• 2:12:53
  three hundred million, three hundred what what do we talk
• 2:13:00
  talking about?
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it would it would be like the Silurian hypothesis.
• 2:13:03
  It would be another It wouldn't be human unless you'd
• 2:13:05
  have to radically rewrite everything if that.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: Way, right, But what does that mean then? Like what
• 2:13:09
  are we talking about?
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: Like different intelligence abother species?
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: So maybe there was something like us that lived like
• 2:13:16
  medieval humans. Yeah it was millions of years ago.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: It's the same problems like we have. Like if they're
• 2:13:22
  living on Earth, they're dealing with the same kind of
• 2:13:24
  physics they you know, they have to move materials around,
• 2:13:27
  Like why would you not come up with the same
• 2:13:28
  kind of thing like a wheel, Like it's a simple invention.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: That's what's interesting too. And we're always finding new dinosaurs
• 2:13:34
  like that's a common thing, right, And if these were
• 2:13:38
  a type of human being or something similar to human
• 2:13:40
  beings that bury their dead, Yeah, what are we going
• 2:13:44
  to find, Like, what are we going to find after
• 2:13:46
  twelve million years?
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: Nothing except for maybe a fossilized wheel.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or these wheel tracks? Yeah, well what is the
• 2:13:53
  conventional explanation of these wheel tracks?
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but all I know about the ones
• 2:13:57
  of Molton, they definitely say they're man made. I don't
• 2:14:00
  know about these ones in Turkey. You haven't really looked
• 2:14:01
  into it.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: But those are crazy. And then the fact that they
• 2:14:05
  go to underground structures help me.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: I know, but they're near that. I don't think they
• 2:14:10
  directly lead to like Darren kuy You or anything, but
• 2:14:12
  they're nearby. And then so then you start to think,
• 2:14:15
  what if Darren ku You is like, you know, to
• 2:14:18
  be fair that I think that's probably man made, but
• 2:14:21
  you know it's stone, so.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure it's man made, but like what kind
• 2:14:25
  of man?
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: And it could have been man adapted. It could have
• 2:14:27
  already been something there and we kind of changed it.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: That would be completely fucked if we found out there
• 2:14:34
  was another type of human that existed that did all
• 2:14:37
  that twelve million years ago.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: Or you wouldn't even have to be a human. It
• 2:14:41
  could be any kind of life. It's just intelligence right, but.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: There's no evidence as anything other than primates have been
• 2:14:47
  that capable of manipulating their environment other than primates. Right,
• 2:14:51
  So when we also know that there's certain we're finding
• 2:14:55
  new ones all the time, right, this one that they found,
• 2:14:58
  I keep sucking it up. Homo jul is that it
• 2:15:03
  and antikeetherea Cathera anti Cathera. I'm gonna get that right,
• 2:15:09
  But I fucked this one up to the Homo juliens.
• 2:15:12
  But this one was larger than us. It had a
• 2:15:16
  larger brain capacity. And they know that. They just I mean,
• 2:15:22
  this was just published in December of twenty twenty four,
• 2:15:26
  so they know that they're constantly finding new branches of
• 2:15:30
  the human tree. Yeah.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: And then you got Denis Evan's or Dennis however they
• 2:15:34
  you pronounced that and they just reclassified that dragon man
• 2:15:38
  skullar is Denise Evan And that was so huge.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, so Juluensis, I would say that how much sight
• 2:15:47
  of this? Yeah, because it's really new, a new big
• 2:15:50
  headed archaic humans bigger than us with big ass heads
• 2:15:57
  and big brains.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: Well, then you kind of get into the thing of
• 2:15:59
  like giants and stuff, and like could giants have been real?
• 2:16:03
  And it seems like that's a giant exactly. And there
• 2:16:06
  is giant primates that have been like confirmed, like Gigantipithecus
• 2:16:09
  or whatever it's called. Yeah, you have hobbit humans like
• 2:16:12
  Homo floorentsis.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: Ye how you pronounce that?
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: But so you have hobbit humans, you have giant primate primates.
• 2:16:18
  Why can't you have giant humans?
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: I think they did. I think that's why giants are
• 2:16:22
  always in the Bible. And I think this thing, how
• 2:16:25
  how old is this fossil that they found of julu Ensis?
• 2:16:32
  So this one existed alongside I believe alongside at least
• 2:16:42
  some versions of man. Does it say how old it is?
• 2:16:49
  Three hundred thousand or million?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: So that would that would just overlap with us then
• 2:16:57
  years old?
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: Right. So but here's the thing, they don't have a
• 2:17:01
  lot of this stuff. They don't have a lot of
• 2:17:03
  evidence of this creature. So right, so they have I
• 2:17:06
  believe it's one site? Is that correct? Is there one
• 2:17:09
  site where they found.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: This part on a very large found in China?
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So how many have they not found? That's the
• 2:17:16
  real real problem with us and this whole fossil record
• 2:17:20
  thing is that we're dealing with a very limited amount
• 2:17:23
  of information. It's very difficult to become information. It's very
• 2:17:27
  difficult to become evidence.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: Especially when you get up to these again, it's the
• 2:17:30
  preservation problem. We can't when you got about this far,
• 2:17:33
  it's so hot to fine stuff.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: You should see what this thing looks like when they
• 2:17:36
  do like a three D image of a depiction. First
• 2:17:38
  of all, they make it look super primitive. They cover
• 2:17:40
  it with hair and give it jack muscles. It looks
• 2:17:43
  like this freak. But whatever it is, it's way bigger
• 2:17:46
  than us, and it's a human and it lived alongside us,
• 2:17:49
  So David and Goliath it's right there.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: And there's also the I think it's called meganthropist, which
• 2:17:55
  is uh, yeah.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: That's what it looks like, supposedly maywhile I probably want
• 2:17:59
  a calculator.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: They make everything, and everyone's stupid and walking around it.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: And yeah, everyone's stupid. Everyone has a stick in their hand.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: When I was looking up that wheel, I came across
• 2:18:08
  the London Hammer.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: Oh I've heard that too, But I heard that that
• 2:18:12
  was that was dissolved.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: I did not see. I mean, it doesn't make sense.
• 2:18:16
  I'll just go with that. It's it was found in
• 2:18:19
  nineteen thirty six, I think. But the limestone around it
• 2:18:21
  is supposedly one hundred million years old.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, I never heard of this.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone had an explanation.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: Fund of the Texas London, Texas, not England.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: Just so. No, yeah, someone had an explanation for that.
• 2:18:33
  I don't remember what it was.
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: Looking over at mysteries, a lot of people discussing it.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: Why don't you look up London Hammer debunked?
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: It's I mean, wouldn't someone wanted to debunk it.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: I know they would, but I want to know if
• 2:18:46
  they're right. You know, I'm sure someone would want.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: There's lots of I'm just going there's lots of people
• 2:18:51
  saying it's real and fake, and there's just not a
• 2:18:53
  lot of explanation on how it was found in the
• 2:18:55
  old limestone.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: Okay. Radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle and the geological
• 2:19:00
  analysis have largely debunked the idea of extreme antiquity. More details.
• 2:19:05
  The artifact the London Hammer is a metal hammer head
• 2:19:07
  with a wooden handle, found partially in case in a
• 2:19:11
  concretion hard compact mass of mineral matter. The claims some
• 2:19:15
  have interpreted the hammer's presence in the rock as evidence
• 2:19:18
  of advanced ancient civilizations or a young Earth. Pointing to
• 2:19:21
  the seemingly anomalous placement of a modern looking tool in
• 2:19:25
  ancient rock evidence against an Radiocarbon dating of the wooden
• 2:19:29
  handle has placed its origin within the historical period, not
• 2:19:33
  millions of years geological processes. The concretion itself is not
• 2:19:37
  necessarily ancient. This is what I'd read. Minerals in solution
• 2:19:40
  can harden around objects dropped or left in cracks or
• 2:19:45
  on the surface of soluble rock. According to Gaia, out
• 2:19:48
  of place artifacts. While the concept of out of place
• 2:19:51
  artifacts can be intriguing, the London hammer doesn't meet the
• 2:19:54
  criteria of being considered an out of place artifact, as
• 2:19:57
  is geological context suggest a more recent origin. You know,
• 2:20:03
  one of the things that I always go to with
• 2:20:06
  Egypt is those really bizarre looking things that almost look
• 2:20:10
  like like a part of a machine, like that wheel thing. Yeah,
• 2:20:18
  it's something I don't remember what it's called, some kind
• 2:20:20
  of a disk, but it looks like a part of
• 2:20:22
  something like almost a fan. You're looking at that, like, Okay,
• 2:20:25
  what is that thing doing? Is that a turbine? Is
• 2:20:27
  that in water? Does something like what is that the
• 2:20:30
  fact that that's real, that that one drives me nuts.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: It literally looks exactly something.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a replicate, right, I mean they found
• 2:20:40
  the pieces of it. I've seen someone put it. They've
• 2:20:41
  cranked it up in water, and it can like displace
• 2:20:44
  water in a very unique way. Yes, I don't know
• 2:20:46
  if that's you know, the use of it, but that's
• 2:20:49
  see if you get an.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: Image of the actual one, not a recreation, because I
• 2:20:53
  think there's been some some of them. Uh, they've recreated
• 2:20:57
  it because I think it's a very valuable thing. So
• 2:21:00
  people are looking at I think a lot of times
• 2:21:01
  they're looking at recreations. Whatever it was, no one can
• 2:21:09
  figure it out right, and it's carved out of stone,
• 2:21:12
  So how what what are you doing? What's that thing?
• 2:21:17
  Do you know? That thing looks like a part of
• 2:21:19
  a machine. It looks like a part like if you know,
• 2:21:23
  like you have some ancient machine and you've got it
• 2:21:26
  does a bunch of things that it.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: Moves beer mixer, right, which would but I mean if
• 2:21:31
  you go with primary rescue and then I need to
• 2:21:33
  mix out that stuff up somehow, mm hmm.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: That's true actually right, But it's probably it's probably just
• 2:21:39
  one of many different tools that we're missing from back then,
• 2:21:43
  if that is just their stuff for making what they
• 2:21:46
  call beer. Brian Mara Rescue is the guy who wrote
• 2:21:49
  the Immortality Key. I don't know if you ever read
• 2:21:51
  any of his stuff, but a lot of it is
• 2:21:53
  about ancient you liss, ancient Greece and the Illusinian.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: Mysteries psychotics again, yes, yeah.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: But a lot of it is you know what we
• 2:22:02
  think of as beer and wine. There all their stuff
• 2:22:04
  was laced. Yeah, it was all laced with ergot and
• 2:22:07
  a bunch of other stuff and different psychedelics that we
• 2:22:10
  haven't really identified yet.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they combined that with that kind of spirituality.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and that's why they built the society they built. Yeah,
• 2:22:20
  which is the craziest thing about you know, our weirdo
• 2:22:25
  technological advanced society is disconnected from that because it's illegal,
• 2:22:29
  disconnected from the stars as well, disconnected flight pollution.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're just all kind of rushing around in
• 2:22:35
  this really hectic life of just like you know this,
• 2:22:38
  do this, and just not sitting back and kind of
• 2:22:41
  appreciating what was that.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: From an unknown author and readit. That's when they put
• 2:22:46
  it on a drill.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, so they made one of it and put it
• 2:22:48
  on a drill. That's great if you have a drill.
• 2:22:54
  So we're assuming that the Egyptians had a drill. I'm
• 2:22:56
  assuming they.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: Had a drillin. Jew holes, doesn't they on these cool?
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: Explain that spiral thing. I can't remember what it's called,
• 2:23:06
  but the Chris dun did like a he put like
• 2:23:10
  a thread around it to show it was a spiral.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, the grove. Yeah. And he also estimated
• 2:23:15
  the revolutions per minute that would take to do something
• 2:23:17
  like that. So you're talking about something that is going
• 2:23:22
  into extremely hard rock and looks like it has some
• 2:23:26
  extremely hard tip that can cut that rock. Like, what
• 2:23:29
  is it made out of? That's it?
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: And these are like serious people. These are engineers that
• 2:23:33
  are saying this kind of thing. And the problem is that,
• 2:23:35
  you know, archaeologists and egyptologists, they're all a certain type
• 2:23:39
  of person that don't have the expertise in recognizing machined artifacts.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: Also, there dorks, and they don't connect with people because
• 2:23:49
  they they're so arrogant, and when the way they talk
• 2:23:52
  about these things that it freaks people out and it
• 2:23:54
  makes them not want to listen. This is I think
• 2:23:58
  the thing that frustrates them the most about alternative historians
• 2:24:02
  like Graham Hancock. He's really interesting, he's compelling. He's a
• 2:24:05
  great communicator as well, great communicator and wonderful guy, and
• 2:24:09
  people love him and they go fuck that high.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: And he's more popular than them as well.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what dries some nuts. But what it should
• 2:24:18
  be exciting to them because it's stimulating people's desire to
• 2:24:24
  know where we come from. And that's supposed to be
• 2:24:27
  your business. That's supposed to be what you're into.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: And all he's doing is asking questions and like putting forward.
• 2:24:32
  I don't think Graham would ever claim to like be
• 2:24:37
  you know certain. He's just saying this could be possible.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: You know, he's got some ideas that I think are
• 2:24:43
  a big stretch, and then he's got some ideas that
• 2:24:46
  I think are dead on the head. But he will
• 2:24:48
  tell you that himself. Yeah, exactly, he will tell you
• 2:24:51
  that himself. He's just trying to figure this out and.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: That's the position he always has come from. Yes, but
• 2:24:56
  they kind of see it and they're saying, how dare
• 2:24:58
  you claim that you have proof?
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: And I don't think he's a pretty nice and sensitive
• 2:25:03
  person that like, this stuff really fucking hurts his feelings.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: I can imagine.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: And it's not necessary. Everybody should be working together. They
• 2:25:12
  really should. And the academics, everyone knows that you had
• 2:25:16
  a limited amount of information before and there's more information now. Like,
• 2:25:20
  your students are not gonna hate you if you say, listen,
• 2:25:23
  I read a whole book on this. This is so crazy.
• 2:25:26
  But I was so wrong.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: They would respect you more.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: They were probably respect you anymore. Yeah. The thing about
• 2:25:31
  it is like that book is still out there. And
• 2:25:33
  academics like to point at each other and make fools
• 2:25:36
  of each other. They really love to do that. They
• 2:25:38
  really deliver to I see them do it to each
• 2:25:40
  other on Twitter all the time. They'll dismiss someone's credentials
• 2:25:45
  and say his work as shit, and they're like, God,
• 2:25:48
  you're such bitches that bruce to each other. Yeah, like
• 2:25:53
  high school girls like talking shit about each other in
• 2:25:56
  chat messages, you know, or high school boys they do
• 2:25:59
  the same thing. But it's or fucking grown men do
• 2:26:02
  it obviously, and these guys are just like that. There's
• 2:26:05
  but it's also I think some of these guys are
• 2:26:07
  socially stunted because they've they spent so much time with
• 2:26:11
  their head in academia and their head and books that
• 2:26:15
  they don't realize the rest of the world sees that
• 2:26:18
  behavior in a very transparent way. If you're acting like
• 2:26:21
  a bitch online and all you do is say mean
• 2:26:25
  things about people, it's that's not you're not hiding what
• 2:26:31
  you are. Every reasonable person sees that and instantaneously knows
• 2:26:37
  what's going on. This is irrational behavior. You're calling people
• 2:26:41
  racist because they're questioning the timeline of human civilization based
• 2:26:46
  on evidence, based on really bizarre things that no one
• 2:26:50
  can explain, based on water erosion on rocks. Now you're racist, Like,
• 2:26:56
  what are you talking about.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: It's just a way of, like, you know, shine down.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: The idea is that it's exactly what it is. It's
• 2:27:00
  exactly what it is, but it's done by people that
• 2:27:03
  are socially stunted, and they don't understand that most normal,
• 2:27:09
  rational people who see them behave this way are never
• 2:27:13
  going to listen to them again. By doing this bitchy thing,
• 2:27:17
  you have discounted your own participation in any true, like
• 2:27:22
  intellectual discourse, because everybody knows you're a bad faith actor.
• 2:27:25
  Now you're a bad person. You're saying things because you're
• 2:27:29
  trying to shut down a conversation instead of saying, huh,
• 2:27:32
  tell me what you did? How did you get to this?
• 2:27:35
  So what is he saying? Water erosion? Whoa show me?
• 2:27:40
  Show me the water erosion? Well, fucking hell, that does look.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: Like okay, maybe we should like reevaluate it.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should bring you in to teach. You know, like,
• 2:27:49
  what are we doing. We're gatekeeping. We're gatekeeping information because
• 2:27:53
  it's protecting fragile egos of socially stunted people. And maybe
• 2:27:58
  you know that they not to say they haven't done
• 2:28:01
  great things exact, they do deserve the credit for that,
• 2:28:05
  but we should give them amnesty for fucking up. But
• 2:28:07
  no one.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we wouldn't be able to talk about
• 2:28:10
  these things without, you know, mainstream.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: I imagine what Harry in the math department when you've
• 2:28:16
  been shipping on his string theory and now it finds,
• 2:28:18
  Oh look look who's wrong about the timeline? Yeah, oh
• 2:28:22
  it's Mike the fucking genius. Like shit at each other,
• 2:28:25
  throwing coffee at each other. They're a bunch of animals.
• 2:28:28
  They're just like like any other group of men.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just a human thing, isn't it.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: We're all just human chess players cheat, yeah, exactly, even
• 2:28:38
  genius ones.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: And often like these people, this is like, you know,
• 2:28:41
  the thing that they've worked on in the kind of
• 2:28:43
  biggest success they've had in their lives. Yes, they don't
• 2:28:45
  want that taken away.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: They don't want it taken away, and they don't want
• 2:28:49
  to deal with those other academics are going to stick
• 2:28:52
  it in their face. Forty years, Bob, forty years you've
• 2:28:55
  been teaching lies. How does that feel? How about all
• 2:28:58
  those college kids that left with a fucked up you
• 2:29:01
  of human history because of you?
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 3: Bob?
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: Come on, Bob. Yeah, I mean, poor poor Bob.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: Is going to just like write a note and blow
• 2:29:08
  his brains out.
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, I don't know. I just I
• 2:29:12
  hope that things are going to shift over time, and
• 2:29:15
  over the next few decades, we're going to see a.
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: One funeral all the time, I guess.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: So that is the Max Plank Coke quote, isn't it.
• 2:29:21
  But I hope it doesn't have to take that long.
• 2:29:22
  And I wish people would shift their positions, man, because.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 1: Well again I think new people coming in It's like
• 2:29:29
  a lot of things. You know, new people come in,
• 2:29:31
  they have new ideas, and the old dinosaurs.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it's I don't know. Our adherence
• 2:29:37
  to these ideas has kind of distorted our understanding of
• 2:29:40
  history and it has kind of prevented us from looking
• 2:29:42
  for things because you know, we assume that these things
• 2:29:45
  are shit. Sorry almost the microphone.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: That wheel is still freaking me out.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: Huh, it's crazy, But we just don't look for these things.
• 2:29:52
  Have you seen any of Jesse Michael's stuff.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: He's the kind of uap kind of guy, isn't he. Yeah,
• 2:29:59
  I haven't really I do kind of delve into that book.
• 2:30:02
  I don't, I mean, I don't like talk about or anything.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: But his latest one is the mummy. Yes, tridactyl mummies
• 2:30:10
  in Peru's the ones where they've done scans of them
• 2:30:12
  and they have a fully intact bone structure, looks like
• 2:30:17
  an actual creature, fully intact, three toes, different shaped head
• 2:30:23
  than us, whatever it is like, and also seventeen hundred
• 2:30:27
  years old, Like what is that?
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: So what's the like debunking of them?
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 1: Well, there's some of them that people have made that
• 2:30:33
  seem to be a complete fabrication. It seems to be
• 2:30:38
  some of them they've pieced together bones and created like
• 2:30:42
  a fake artifact and tried to sell it off. But
• 2:30:44
  then there's these other ones that were found that don't
• 2:30:48
  look like that at all. They look like they're they're
• 2:30:50
  huddled up. One of them has a fetus inside of it. Yeah, yes, yeah,
• 2:30:55
  yeah they and whatever these things are. Show them the
• 2:30:58
  video when you say, see the scans of it. American Alchemy,
• 2:31:03
  Jesse Michael's awesome show.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's cool. Man, I watched this show and here
• 2:31:06
  he's awesome.
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, am I c h E L S. Isn't there? Also?
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: I might have made this up? It isn't there? Also
• 2:31:14
  like depictions of this and kind of ancient Yes?
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is that ancient artwork? Three fingered three toad people
• 2:31:21
  with big heads.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: Oh that's weird.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: Then, w dude, when you see this thing, this thing
• 2:31:25
  looks exactly like these This is it. This is an
• 2:31:28
  actual scan of this mummy. Look at the size of
• 2:31:35
  the head, Look at the shape of the head, Look
• 2:31:37
  at all the bones, look at all the ribs. Everything
• 2:31:40
  that's fucking bananas. Now, Jamie, show him what it looks
• 2:31:47
  like before they scan it, so they they found them
• 2:31:51
  encased in I think it's dichotomous earth? Is that what
• 2:31:54
  it was?
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: But how old do they think these things are?
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: Some of them are seven hundred years old and some
• 2:32:00
  of them are as old as seventeen hundred years But
• 2:32:03
  look at that thing. So this thing, this thing, is
• 2:32:07
  it ridiculous? That seems to be an actual mummy of
• 2:32:11
  a real creature. Yeah, and here's the thing like, no, yeah,
• 2:32:17
  Jesse's right there, Jesse is doing real journalism on this.
• 2:32:22
  This is what say. It sounds crazy to everybody, including
• 2:32:25
  me as it comes out of my mouth. But then
• 2:32:27
  when you look at that scan, not crazy anymore. That's
• 2:32:29
  one of a smaller one, but the bigger one with
• 2:32:31
  the big head, that one right there, that one's crazy,
• 2:32:36
  Like what the fuck is that? If that was a person,
• 2:32:38
  you would run for the hills with a head that shape,
• 2:32:41
  with three fingers and three toes. And the fact that
• 2:32:44
  they have artwork depicting these things, that goes back yeah.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: Because because if it's a fake, then how are they
• 2:32:49
  depicting it?
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 3: Right? What is this like?
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: Did they look at the scans of the foot? Go
• 2:32:55
  back to that this is cray it's almost if like
• 2:33:02
  it defies the possibility of it being fraudulent. It defies it.
• 2:33:09
  It's like make that. You show me how you can
• 2:33:13
  make that where you can scan it and you see
• 2:33:15
  the tissue and the ligaments and the tendons and the
• 2:33:18
  cartilage and the joints and they're not human shaped. Yes, but.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: I haven't really looked into this, but this is kind
• 2:33:28
  of nice.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: If these were real creatures that existed at one point
• 2:33:32
  in time alongside us and they're just now finding them now,
• 2:33:36
  then you get to you get into ultimate weirdness because like, Okay,
• 2:33:39
  what's the Nasca lines for? Because that's the same part
• 2:33:42
  of the world.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then what is the way like an artwork
• 2:33:45
  of kind of like things that look alien in you know,
• 2:33:48
  South America.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 1: Well, there's one of the Nasca lines looks like a
• 2:33:51
  fucking spacesuit. Looks like a guy in a spacesuit. And
• 2:33:53
  also like, why would you make artwork that you can
• 2:33:56
  only see from the sky.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: That's always puzzled me about that weird so weird the.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: Same part of the world where you're finding these things and.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 2: They've all they're like perfectly done as well, Yeah, and
• 2:34:06
  they're perfect like you know, lines and shapes.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: And weird and they keep finding new ones. Yeah, it's
• 2:34:14
  very strange.
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: I mean South America is just you know, it's I
• 2:34:17
  think South America and Egypt slash Turkey are the two
• 2:34:20
  kind of areas that are the most kind of you know,
• 2:34:23
  mysterious and like there's so much going on there that
• 2:34:25
  I think we haven't quite acknowledged how much mystery there
• 2:34:29
  is still left. And yeah, fascinating, especially when you throw
• 2:34:32
  this in. I mean I haven't really I haven't looked
• 2:34:34
  into this at all, but crazy gonna have to start
• 2:34:36
  watching What is that?
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: Yah? What if they find out that's not a human
• 2:34:40
  at all?
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean doesn't look doesn't look like a human, right, Like,
• 2:34:44
  I mean, it could be.
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of can be some bizarre mutation,
• 2:34:49
  right like those ostrich feet people in Africa. Have you
• 2:34:51
  seen that?
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 1: So it's possible that there's some weird mutation. And this
• 2:34:58
  is a bunch of people with big heads and three
• 2:35:00
  fingers and three toes. But it doesn't seem like it.
• 2:35:03
  It seems like something different. Also, what are you doing
• 2:35:07
  with three fingers? You're operating electronics only like you ain't
• 2:35:10
  picking shit up. You can't do anything. You don't have
• 2:35:12
  apposable thumbs. The idea that you have something that looks
• 2:35:15
  like us, it doesn't have a posable thumbs.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's like a big evolutionary kind of it.
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: What is this thing doing? What are you doing unless
• 2:35:22
  all you do is like put your hand on a
• 2:35:25
  machine and you control everything with telepathy and you just
• 2:35:29
  control it by touching it and you don't need you know,
• 2:35:32
  if maybe it gets to a point where we stop
• 2:35:34
  using our thumbs and then you just fucking drift away.
• 2:35:37
  We only need a couple of digits.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 2: So what like, what is like Jesse's theorism, Well, oh.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: Their fingers have an extra digit too?
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: So you know how like you know your your finger
• 2:35:47
  berends in a certain way. They have what is an
• 2:35:49
  extra falange? What would you call it? An extra little
• 2:35:52
  You know, you have like one, two or three bones.
• 2:35:55
  They have a fourth fourth bone, So you could type
• 2:36:00
  quicker with the three fingers. I don't fucking know, but
• 2:36:02
  it's like, that's not us. That's something weird. The skull
• 2:36:07
  shaped is weird, but it looks like a real thing.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's real, that kind of you know, changes everything.
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 1: Changes everything, And you don't hear in the New York Times.
• 2:36:16
  You're not seeing in the New York Post, it's not
• 2:36:18
  in the Wall Street Journal. But they might have actually
• 2:36:21
  found a life form in mummified form that's not us.
• 2:36:26
  That looks a lot like these fucking aliens that people
• 2:36:29
  have been talking about since the beginning of time.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 2: And so why is no one talking about it except
• 2:36:33
  for Jesse?
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Look at that. Look at the
• 2:36:36
  X race of them, look and see how it's an
• 2:36:38
  extra little thing.
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: That's an incredible fake. If that's the fake, that's.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: Not our fingers, man, that's a little extra joint and
• 2:36:45
  it's not their fingers aren't even you'd have to be
• 2:36:47
  like the freakiest long fingered motherfucker that's ever lived to
• 2:36:50
  have fingers that long. Those are weird. And yes, that's
• 2:36:54
  not us, it's something different, bizarre. Again, anybody who tells
• 2:37:01
  you that we know it all, they're full of shit.
• 2:37:04
  If that's real, you don't know anything. Yeah, if that's real,
• 2:37:08
  if that becomes mainstream, if this is from Jesse, and
• 2:37:12
  I hope it does, and they do genetic testing on
• 2:37:16
  this thing and then someone figures out what it is
• 2:37:18
  and it's got different chromosomes in us and different DNA
• 2:37:21
  than us.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: Like now what, yeah, exactly?
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 1: Now what?
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: Well, what are the chances we have go everything? You know,
• 2:37:28
  because these people seem to think that, you know, we've
• 2:37:30
  got it works out now, it's zero.
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 1: The chances are zero.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: It's never been the case, and we've always thought we've
• 2:37:34
  had it all worked out all the way through history.
• 2:37:36
  It's always like, oh, now we know the answers, and
• 2:37:37
  it's always there's always a major paradigm shift around the corner. Exactly,
• 2:37:41
  So what's around the corner now exactly? Something like this
• 2:37:43
  or the ancient civilization thing.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's so fun though, it's really exciting. It's
• 2:37:50
  a really exciting time to find things out. Because if
• 2:37:52
  this had emerged fifty years ago, seventy five years ago,
• 2:37:57
  there's no Jesse Michaels, there's no YouTube, there's no podcast
• 2:38:01
  like this to talk about Jesse Michaels and send a
• 2:38:03
  bunch of people over to go watch it. More people know,
• 2:38:06
  the better, let's like, look at this, this might be real.
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: This is crazy, and that's why it probably is coming
• 2:38:13
  out in this kind of day and age because the
• 2:38:15
  incident's not been around for very long.
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: But why is in MSNBC covering this? Why isn't CNN
• 2:38:21
  covering this? They should all be covering this. They should
• 2:38:23
  all be going look at these scans that this YouTuber
• 2:38:26
  Jesse Michaels did. If this is true, this seems like
• 2:38:30
  something that's not a human being. I know, it's just
• 2:38:33
  too alien's are real.
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 3: This is from twenty seventeen that someone had found just
• 2:38:39
  a hand. Whoa, It's obviously the.
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: Same bizarre three fingered hand in twenty seventeen mummified hand
• 2:38:47
  found in a tunnel in Peru.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 3: It said these fingers, these fingers had six bons and
• 2:38:52
  whoa regular human bonus three whoa?
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: Dude? Mamma.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: Fied hand is made up of bone and skin, suggesting
• 2:39:03
  that it's not fake unless it was somehow made using
• 2:39:05
  real bones, flesh and skin.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: But how would you think, how would you do that
• 2:39:08
  a long time ago then mummify it. Yeah, it's all
• 2:39:12
  so strange and that part of the world. They've had
• 2:39:15
  stories about these kind of creatures forever. That's why they
• 2:39:18
  have all this artwork about them. Not only that that
• 2:39:21
  is an exact replica like when if you ever see
• 2:39:25
  the movie Moment of Contact, the James Fox movie. It's
• 2:39:28
  about an an incident in Brazil in nineteen ninety four
• 2:39:34
  ninety six, the Virginia, Brazil incident, where there was a
• 2:39:38
  crashed UFO. These police officers went to go and see
• 2:39:43
  this crash. There was some sort of electrical storm and
• 2:39:46
  then they found this creature that seemed to have been
• 2:39:51
  injured from the craft. The guy picks it up, takes
• 2:39:54
  it in his car. They bring it to a hospital.
• 2:39:57
  The hospital refuses to treat it. They bring it to
• 2:39:59
  another hospital. That hospital they don't know what happened with
• 2:40:03
  the records or what happened, but they do know that
• 2:40:05
  the guy who carried it physically died of a horrible
• 2:40:09
  bacterial infection that they could not cure. They said it
• 2:40:12
  smelled like sulfur, and it had three fingers and three toes.
• 2:40:16
  It looked like that thing. It had a long head,
• 2:40:20
  and this whatever this creature was that is, you know, mummified.
• 2:40:25
  It looks exactly like what these people were talking about
• 2:40:28
  from this UFO crash in Virginia, Brazil, Like it's the
• 2:40:33
  entire folklore of the town. They have a UFO. When
• 2:40:37
  you enter into the town of Virginia, they have like
• 2:40:39
  this giant statue of a UFO. There's still people alive
• 2:40:44
  to this day that live in that town that will
• 2:40:46
  tell you the story. And you can go across town,
• 2:40:49
  you can go here. They all have the same story.
• 2:40:51
  There's multiple UFOs in the sky. One of them crashed.
• 2:40:55
  They found two creatures. One of them was alive. They
• 2:40:58
  think one of them was dead. This whatever this crash
• 2:41:01
  site was, they bring in the movie moment movie excuse me,
• 2:41:04
  movie moment of contact. They bring this police officer to
• 2:41:07
  the site and he starts weeping, like if that guy's
• 2:41:10
  if he's a liar, he's the greatest actor of all time.
• 2:41:13
  The guy starts freaking out when he starts telling the
• 2:41:15
  story of what he found in the nineteen nineties, like
• 2:41:18
  brings him back to that moment. The women who saw
• 2:41:21
  the being, they're like in their forties now, they were
• 2:41:24
  little girls when they saw it, and they all have
• 2:41:26
  the same story. And three fingers three toad looked like
• 2:41:30
  that looked exactly.
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: Like that man. If I wasn't doing the ancient history thing,
• 2:41:36
  I'd love to talk about this stuff as well.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: It might be the same thing.
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you never know, you never know. I'd
• 2:41:43
  love to like Maye Yanks some and you know, connection,
• 2:41:45
  but things, I just don't want to give anyone more
• 2:41:47
  ammunition to come off.
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 1: To me and shiit see that they're coming after you,
• 2:41:50
  but it today. Yeah, they're going to after all the
• 2:41:54
  nonsense that we've talked. But it's fun to talk nonsense,
• 2:41:57
  and this is definitely fun nonsense. But that body's not nonsense.
• 2:42:00
  The virgenie thing I don't think is nonsense either. It's
• 2:42:03
  a really marrid one.
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: That's kind of story exactly. However, I'm gonna go match
• 2:42:06
  to the mummified buddies. That's that's weird.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 1: Not just that, but biblical stories about creatures that are
• 2:42:13
  demons that smell like sulfur. Yeah, right, if you're terrified
• 2:42:17
  of something and you think you've decided that it's a
• 2:42:19
  demon because it's actually an advanced life form from somewhere else,
• 2:42:23
  and it smells like sulfur, like whatever they have that
• 2:42:27
  got on this guy's skin that gave him this horrible
• 2:42:29
  bacterial inf it's all documented. The guy died. He was
• 2:42:33
  a young, healthy soldier and he's dead within like a
• 2:42:36
  couple of weeks.
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's no.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 1: They're given a mantibiotics. This is the nineties. It is
• 2:42:41
  not like the you know, they're treating him with modern
• 2:42:44
  medicine and he's fucked and he dies. Yeah, and this
• 2:42:48
  is the guy that was carrying the alien. Are you
• 2:42:51
  fucking kidding me?
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 2: May I think?
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 1: Look into this and it smells like sulfur and it
• 2:42:55
  looks exactly like a thing. That's a real thing where
• 2:42:58
  they have a real mummy of these things. Yeah, see
• 2:43:01
  if you just get an image, an artist depiction. So
• 2:43:04
  they had these kids describe what they saw and they
• 2:43:07
  drew this three fingered three toad little It was like
• 2:43:11
  almost like a purple looking thing.
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's LinkedIn anyway? So with this kind
• 2:43:16
  of mysterious stone construction we find in South America that
• 2:43:19
  no one can really explain, And here we go, what is.
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: The image the thing that was curled up in the ground.
• 2:43:27
  It's like a yeah, that one, that one with the
• 2:43:30
  red eyes. No, yeah, that one, that's what it looked like.
• 2:43:34
  Somebody actually made a sculpture of that what exactly what
• 2:43:37
  it looked like and gave it to us. We have
• 2:43:39
  it at the mothership.
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 2: But the thing is it was an alien, why would
• 2:43:42
  it look so human? If that makes sense, unless it
• 2:43:44
  came from this planet I suppose.
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: Right, But does it look human? Maybe that's like a
• 2:43:49
  con that's a maybe that's a constant thing when you
• 2:43:53
  evolve from primates it. Maybe there's a thing about the
• 2:43:57
  alien gray too, that's always been like this archetype of
• 2:44:01
  what we eventually will become.
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 2: Of, the big like skinny limbs.
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is how those guys described it. This
• 2:44:07
  is how they describe what it looked like. Man, that
• 2:44:10
  looks an awful lot like that creature, the big eyes,
• 2:44:14
  the whole deal, the weird spindly body, that drawing work
• 2:44:19
  there where it's punched over the ones to the ruddier cursory. Yeah,
• 2:44:22
  that's the one's my favorite because it's like, what is
• 2:44:25
  nineteen ninety six? Like, I don't know, I don't know
• 2:44:32
  what the hell that is? But what if it's real?
• 2:44:35
  And what if those things in Peru are exactly that thing?
• 2:44:38
  And what if you know this thing has visited human
• 2:44:42
  beings multiple times in history.
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 2: So would you say it's from another planet and who
• 2:44:47
  knows it might be from here? I just that's why.
• 2:44:50
  I think if it's got the kind of similar kind
• 2:44:52
  of like primate form.
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 1: It might look if these things are they're finding these
• 2:44:57
  mummified remains in Peru, clearly it was here. Why would
• 2:45:01
  we assume it's not from here. Yeah, like, maybe we
• 2:45:03
  just have a really inaccurate timeline of life on this
• 2:45:07
  planet and maybe some things went under sea, which sounds nuts,
• 2:45:12
  But then there's all these fucking videos of things coming
• 2:45:16
  out of the water.
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 2: That's where I would hide if it was trying to hide.
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I mean, if you've mastered gravity the
• 2:45:22
  point where you create like a bubble around everything you
• 2:45:24
  are and you travel through it without any resistance whatsoever,
• 2:45:27
  and they've clocked things going underwater that are going like
• 2:45:30
  five hundred knots underwater, I have no idea how it
• 2:45:33
  does that.
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's some kind of it's like this into
• 2:45:37
  I mean, you probably know more about this than me,
• 2:45:38
  but my only exposure to the kind of UAP thing
• 2:45:41
  was traditionally through I'm a big fan of And there's
• 2:45:46
  Tom DeLonge. Is Tom you've had, You've had Travis on
• 2:45:49
  as well. You need to get to get He's the third.
• 2:45:52
  He's a complete the set I've always I'm in a band.
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 1: I love Tom either. I thought I thought he was
• 2:45:58
  crazy when I had him on before, and now I'm like, damn,
• 2:46:01
  I think he might be onto something.
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 2: Well, he's so cool. He's always been like an inspiration
• 2:46:05
  for me, Like I make music and he's been you know,
• 2:46:07
  a big, you know, inspiration for me. But he always
• 2:46:10
  got me into He kind of got me into the
• 2:46:12
  UAP thing from what.
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's all in. But I do have to say
• 2:46:17
  that if I wanted, if I was the government and
• 2:46:20
  I wanted to like spread a bunch of crazy stories
• 2:46:23
  about UFOs, I tell them to people like Tom, and
• 2:46:26
  I tell them to people like me. I mean, I
• 2:46:29
  think people do that on this podcast. I think some
• 2:46:32
  of the information that gets shared on this podcast is
• 2:46:35
  probably bullshit to kind of like you yeah, and to
• 2:46:40
  prime people for disclosure. I think the if I was
• 2:46:45
  in charge, and if I had done the Hall put
• 2:46:49
  Off thing, you know, the how put Off was assigned
• 2:46:51
  to do. So they gave him a numerical value for
• 2:46:56
  all these different things that would be positively influenced by
• 2:46:59
  disclosure and negatively influenced, and you assign a value one
• 2:47:02
  through ten to like what's going to happen in religion,
• 2:47:04
  what's going to happen in politics? Was banking all that stuff.
• 2:47:08
  And this was during the Bush administration. So Bush essentially
• 2:47:11
  said to how put off The Bush administration said, we
• 2:47:15
  have been working on a crash retrieval program. We have
• 2:47:20
  vehicles that are not from this world. We are not alone.
• 2:47:24
  If we release this information to the general public and disclosure,
• 2:47:30
  what will be the negative impact, what will be the
• 2:47:33
  positive impact? Is it overall positive or is it overall negative?
• 2:47:37
  And everyone they there was a bunch of different independent
• 2:47:40
  people that they assigned this task to. Everyone came up
• 2:47:44
  with much more on the negative than on the positive.
• 2:47:46
  So they decided to not disclose it. This is how
• 2:47:48
  it put off story. I can't I can't tell you
• 2:47:51
  if it's true or not.
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, negative, just because it's like the impact, yeah.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the shock, the complete lack of any real faith
• 2:48:02
  in authority figures, like why would you listen to the
• 2:48:05
  President of the United States when there's fucking UFOs reading
• 2:48:09
  your mind and traveling instantaneously here from wherever they're from,
• 2:48:15
  Like all of our systems of power and control, they
• 2:48:19
  all go away because we don't believe you're not in
• 2:48:21
  control anymore. Clearly the aliens are in control. People would
• 2:48:24
  worship the aliens, But do.
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 2: You think that kind of like drip feeding us and
• 2:48:28
  then at some point it would come out, But then
• 2:48:29
  isn't that gonna happen anyway?
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's totally organized, because I think most
• 2:48:34
  things in the government are not totally organized. I think
• 2:48:37
  there's a lot of chaos going on at all levels
• 2:48:40
  of the government. I really believe that. And to think
• 2:48:42
  that in this top secret UFO crash retrieval world there's
• 2:48:48
  not a lot of chaos, just human chaos in everything.
• 2:48:51
  There's chaos in the FBI, they're having problems. The CIA
• 2:48:54
  has its own problems. Every organization has great people and
• 2:48:58
  a bunch of clowns and bunch of nutty people that
• 2:49:01
  don't want to lose their positions of power. And these
• 2:49:03
  little struggles interoffice bullshit in every organization with human beings.
• 2:49:08
  So for sure, that's the same thing with the UFO disclosure. Yeah,
• 2:49:12
  and then I think there's also the problem with if
• 2:49:15
  there really is a crash retrieval program, and it's been
• 2:49:18
  going on for a long time, and it's been going
• 2:49:20
  on without congressional oversight. That means you've been lying, and
• 2:49:23
  you've been misappropriating money and and everybody's fucked. So what's
• 2:49:28
  the best way to Like, you got to slowly trickle
• 2:49:32
  out the information and you got to mix it up
• 2:49:34
  with a whole lot of bullshit, a whole lot of nonsense,
• 2:49:37
  and then fly some drones over people and see how
• 2:49:40
  they respond.
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 2: Remember that thing that's something recently about that wasn't.
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 1: The New Jersey thing? Yeah, there's giant drones over New
• 2:49:46
  Jersey and then they try to find them with fighter jets.
• 2:49:48
  The lights would shut off and they take off. What
• 2:49:51
  was that? Well, how did they who fucking know? Yeah,
• 2:49:55
  they say, oh, it's ours. Like they didn't even tell
• 2:49:58
  us exactly what was going on. But it was almost
• 2:50:01
  like a national emergency. It was a national story. It
• 2:50:04
  was I remember Trump saying that he was not going
• 2:50:06
  to go play golf in New Jersey because they were
• 2:50:08
  flying in New Jersey.
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 2: Was this pre election? Was this before he became president?
• 2:50:13
  I think was it Biden?
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 1: I think it was during? Was it during Yes, I
• 2:50:19
  think it was January. I think it was December. I
• 2:50:25
  don't think he was the president yet.
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 3: No, he became president January.
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, But it was it post election. It
• 2:50:32
  was post election, right.
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 3: I can't remember as Mike Ben saying that this has
• 2:50:36
  happened in a couple of years in a row, and
• 2:50:37
  they were waiting for it to happen this year. It did,
• 2:50:40
  and then he also predicted it would just disappear a
• 2:50:43
  few weeks later, and it did.
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what was that? Maybe it's just a grand
• 2:50:47
  show that they put on for us to distract us
• 2:50:50
  from some other stuff. Maybe there's some banking fucking decisions
• 2:50:53
  that were going on at that time that we would
• 2:50:55
  have probably paid attention to.
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at the drones.
• 2:50:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a real thing. Of course I would do
• 2:51:00
  that if I had some drones. Well, maybe if I
• 2:51:02
  was trying to pull off some shenanigans.
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 2: Couldn't it just be you know, like advanced weapons or
• 2:51:08
  technology that you know we have or you know your
• 2:51:11
  government has. That could most certainly, because it doesn't have
• 2:51:15
  to be alien, just for it to be like more
• 2:51:17
  advanced than like the kind of public knows about.
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, most certainly. I would imagine that a lot of
• 2:51:25
  what we're dealing with is advanced American military craft and
• 2:51:30
  probably done through some top secret research that was real shady.
• 2:51:36
  Probably a lot of people spent a whole lot of
• 2:51:39
  money doing this stuff, and there's probably some like this
• 2:51:42
  is the people that have gone to S four and
• 2:51:45
  talked about it. You can't it's all anecdotal, so you
• 2:51:49
  never really know if it's telling the truth. But there's
• 2:51:51
  been people that have no reason to lie. They'd say
• 2:51:53
  that they have technology that is forty fifty years past
• 2:51:57
  anything that you can imagine right now. Yeah, and they
• 2:51:59
  already have it, and they've been spending shit piles of
• 2:52:03
  money making the wildest things your mind can ever conceive of,
• 2:52:08
  and they already have it, and it probably looks super
• 2:52:10
  alien when they take it out.
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, why would they tell us what the
• 2:52:15
  most advanced thing they have is. They wouldn't they would.
• 2:52:17
  That's not going to be public information, is exactly exactly.
• 2:52:20
  So even current history is confusing.
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the idea of you knowing exactly what happened
• 2:52:28
  five thousand years ago, shut up, bitch, You don't know.
• 2:52:31
  You definitely don't know. If you find a twelve million
• 2:52:34
  year old wheel, like.
• 2:52:35
  Speaker 2: Three hundred million year old, it's you. Yeah, exactly, we
• 2:52:40
  don't know what's going on now, So how can we
• 2:52:41
  know what's going on?
• 2:52:43
  Speaker 1: So the wheel was three hundred million years, but the
• 2:52:44
  car tracks, the cart tracks are what twelve million?
• 2:52:47
  Speaker 2: That's what That's what this guy says.
• 2:52:49
  Speaker 1: It's all fun. It's all fun, and it's very interesting.
• 2:52:53
  And I'm really glad you're out there because i've binge
• 2:52:56
  watched your show. You do a great job. It's really
• 2:52:58
  informative and interesting, inspeculative and fascinating because I just love
• 2:53:02
  the subject and I think you just do a great job.
• 2:53:05
  So I hope you get a lot of views and
• 2:53:08
  you keep doing it, and I'm happy that you're doing it,
• 2:53:10
  and I'm really happy that you came here.
• 2:53:12
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Joe. I mean, it's been a great
• 2:53:14
  honor to be here, to be out and Austin. I've
• 2:53:16
  loved it. It's an incredible one experience. And yeah, it's
• 2:53:19
  been a really fun talking to you, and I'm super
• 2:53:21
  appreciative of the opportunity. So thanks so much.
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 1: My pleasure. So tell everybody how to find you social
• 2:53:28
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• 2:53:29
  Speaker 2: Just put my name and I'm Michael Button and I'm
• 2:53:31
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• 2:53:33
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• 2:53:36
  Speaker 1: Michael Button one, Michael Button one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's someone else out there who's got my name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so don't go to Michael Button Michael button one.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck the other Michael Button come to me.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he's a nice guy.
• 2:53:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cool name.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 1: You just got your name. Yeah all right, well, thank you, brother,
• 2:53:52
  appreciate it.
• 2:53:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe being ever betty
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  Speaker 1: Ne