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Into the Weeds Prison Phone Calls Open Panel · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Into the Weeds podcast here on
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  Military Broadcast Radio. I'm Amber.
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  And I'm Laura. And thank you so much for
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  joining us tonight. We're going to, I guess, have
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  another Gypsy roast stream. Unfortunately, we're going to go
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  over some phone calls tonight. And we have a special guest with
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  us. Her name is Ash to Trippy and
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  she is usually on TikTok. I know she has a channel on
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  YouTube but I'm used to seeing her on TikTok.
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  Me too. So we're actually going to bring
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  Ash up right now. The interview of the week is
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  brought to you by Jersey Mike's, a sub above.
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  Oh, sorry, everything switched up on me.
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  Thank you, Ash for joining us. Hey, what's up ladies?
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  What's up everyone? How you guys doing today?
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  Yeah, we've been very busy this week.
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  I know what I have. At least you've been.
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  I've been working and I you can't really tell, but like I
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  absolutely ripped the hell out of my hand.
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  Like suppose flesh, everything. And I've been moving flowers for
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  like. Four days, Yeah, it's been
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  really bad. But anyway, thank you so much
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  for coming on, I've actually wanted queries about some like
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  stuff that has nothing to do with this, but maybe later we
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  can get into it. A little for sure, for sure.
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  I, I know there's a lot of things that you've commented on
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  before and you're like, hey, we need to talk about this.
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  For sure. So can you just tell everybody a
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  little bit of what you talk about, because it's not all
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  about Gypsy Rose? So my channel is basically true
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  crime. I talk about gossip, I talk
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  about Internet stuff. I talk a lot about like, I like
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  to expose people too, because I mean, like, I have this
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  intuition. And I've learned that if I keep
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  my mouth shut about something, sometimes it ends up worse.
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  But yeah, so I if a lot of you guys don't know me with the
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  Gypsy Row stuff, I've been around since before.
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  Well, I've been around since before she got out.
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  But when she got out is when I started talking about her.
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  And I was on the side where I was supporting her.
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  I was excited to see when she got out, what was she was going
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  to do, much like everybody else. And yeah, I slowly started
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  learning. I started researching and
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  looking into stuff and I was like, you know what, I'm going
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  to say something because there was stuff that didn't make sense
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  to me. And yeah.
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  And Gypsy ended up reaching out to me actually a couple times.
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  The first time was I I don't know if you guys remember this
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  but when she was doing the Make a Wish hair like stuff I I don't
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  know what it was a locks of love or something.
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  Yeah. And then she also, she also did
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  a a Make a Wish donation as well, I think.
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  I'm not giving up. My bad.
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  Oh hold on, sorry, her dog is spoiled rotten and I'm.
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  Hold on. I'm sitting on his blanket.
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  Too. Sorry.
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  Yeah, he has to be underneath the blanket or else he'll try to
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  get underneath my shirt. The whole stinking blanket.
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  Sorry. She's like pulling at me and I'm
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  like, what the hell are you doing?
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  My bad, I just know he's gonna be a butt head unless I give him
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  a blanket. OK, sorry.
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  So yes, I do remember the Locks of Love.
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  Yeah, it was the Locks of love. So it was the Locks of Love
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  thing. I had posted a video and she was
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  like actually took her I she like corrected me on something I
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  said that was like not even relevant to the whole video and
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  I don't even remember that. I've been trying to find those
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  and I think I deleted them when I was going through all my
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  stuff. But I she did also message me
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  and conspiracy with the trying to docs Ken's ex and giving us
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  all the information and photos that weren't even like relevant
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  to say that they were in a situation.
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  So but yeah, so that's, that's kind of how I started talking
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  about it. But I don't just talk about
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  Gypsy Rose. I talked about true crime.
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  I love spreading awareness on missing people or unsolved cases
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  or just cases that are happening because I think there's a lot of
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  context and there's a lot of things that people kind of get
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  wrong. But there's also things that I
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  like to give my opinion on. And that's kind of where I'm at
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  with that. Yeah, I know Laura has a lot of
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  very niche followings and you cover some of them, so.
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  I do know that I'll be watching like a video about Tofia Chu and
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  then all of a sudden they'll be like after trippy.
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  I'm like, hey, I know that girl. Yeah, yeah.
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  Which that could be a whole other thing, but.
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  Yeah, that was yeah, in those niche groups of even like
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  Brazilian Jenkins and things like that that I talk about.
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  So it's it's I, I do talk about really niche stuff, but a lot of
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  people that follow me follow me for that kind of stuff.
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  The first time I went viral was on a Met Gala video and it was
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  over 1,000,000 views and people were upset because I was calling
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  out the Kardashians and they were mad because people.
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  So it was the whole thing. I don't know if you remember, I
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  think it was a couple years ago. They were like, I want my money
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  back for the Met Gala because and we're like, wait, this is a
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  donation. Why are they asking for their
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  money back? It turned out, I guess it wasn't
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  true that they asked for their money back, but they were asking
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  for their donation to be accepted for like the next year
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  or something like that. So it was kind of true, but not
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  for that year. Interesting.
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  But I think about the the Met Gala, is that when Kim wore the
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  Marilyn Monroe? Yeah, that one, yes.
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  It was that one, and it was very controversial, yeah.
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  Yeah, no. Because that was a no no.
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  Literally formed for Marilyn's body.
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  And then on top of that, I mean like things that are that old a
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  lot. She damaged it, didn't she?
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  Did the disintegrated? I mean.
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  You know she has. The Super old So it was.
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  It wasn't gonna, it wasn't gonna hold up.
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  That was, Yeah. So it was during that very
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  controversial time. And so people were just like,
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  eyes on her. And I don't know, maybe I just
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  got lucky because I gave my opinion.
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  Yeah, no, that's cool. Well, unfortunately, we're going
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  to get into Gypsy Rose again. Again.
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  Yeah, I picked. So as I was trying to find audio
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  for this specific stream, I kept hearing audio about while it was
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  Gypsy and Christy talking about content creators.
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  And then I thought, OK, well, Ash was reached out to by Gypsy
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  and she's had some interaction with them.
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  So who, not who? What a better person to talk
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  about this kind of stuff because I haven't had any actual
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  interactions with them. And so, yeah, I'm just a little
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  curious about how they move, because they move a lot and they
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  talk to a lot of content creators.
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  And at first I thought that it was just not really.
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  I thought people were blowing it out of proportion.
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  And then I started seeing more, you know, of her interaction and
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  stuff. But then when these calls came
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  out and I'm hearing her and Brian, you know, doing all this
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  stuff online, and then Christy does stuff and Ryan does and,
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  well, basically whoever she wants and Rachel.
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  And so now we know for sure that she's in the background, just
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  doing the most. Yeah, very, really pre planned.
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  Yeah, very much pre planned. I also had a very close source
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  to the family that did not want to be known in any way, shape or
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  form being connected to the family.
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  But they would go to events with the family a lot like when Gypsy
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  got out and stuff, and I didn't believe them in the beginning.
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  I don't talk to them anymore just because it was something
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  that I think they were worried that I was going to slip up.
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  Like they were like, oh, you're going to slip up.
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  You're going to say something like it's getting too close.
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  But that was something that they had kept telling me like they
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  were like they're talking to content creators.
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  They've been talking to content creators and they were close
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  enough to be like to be talk to Christy.
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  I believe it was Christy that they talked to and they were
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  like she told like who everybody that they were still talking to
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  to this day. So I got that back in.
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  I think it was like January or February.
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  That was the last e-mail I received.
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  And I was like, I didn't believe it in the beginning.
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  Like I was like, OK, well, like you blowing it out of
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  proportion, right? But hearing it now, like
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  especially now and especially things that people have DM Ed me
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  about certain creators, I'm like, Oh my God.
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  Like that's how they've kind of honed this whole Internet.
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  They've kind of rallied it, you know?
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  Yeah, I mean, I genuinely thought that it was so blown out
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  of proportion, but now I'm just like, holy cow, She really, she
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  really is in that deep. And it's concerning that she
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  spent all that time behind bars and didn't live mentally inside
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  of them once. I mean it's basically she lived
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  outside of those bars the entire time.
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  She lived. She went to summer camp.
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  That's what it seemed like to me, like she went to let's talk
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  to men, let's get them to send me money.
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  Summer. Camp like it was, not it.
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  That's what it. And that's what a lot of my
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  followers have told me too. They're like, wasn't she in
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  prison? Like, this was prison, you know,
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  So it was, it's kind of concerning also to know that
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  none of the, even if there was therapy done, I don't think it
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  was ever intense enough for her in there.
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  No, I mean, so my cousin's in there for 25 years.
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  For. Drugs.
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  And she like the difference between talking to her on the
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  phone and listening to gypsies phone calls.
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  It's like they're in a completely different prison.
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  Yeah, genuinely. I mean like.
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  And I think people's intentions too, being behind bars, like if
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  somebody has that mentality, they want to get better and they
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  want to do better for themselves.
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  I think that's a different mentality than Gypsy.
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  Obviously didn't want that, you know?
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  Yeah, no, I mean, she told me about women who would, you know,
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  be laying on their bunks all, all day, talking on the phone,
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  things like that, you know, But I just kind of pictured it as
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  just lazy people just kind of hanging out, you know, not
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  really doing anything. But Gypsy was doing the most.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah. And people come in my comments
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  and tell me, well, that's what you do in prison.
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  I'm like. No.
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  It's not. I mean, I guess they're to a
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  certain extent maybe there is women that do that in prison.
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  You know, if you don't have it, you got to figure it out.
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  But there there's also, you know, healing that's done in
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  prison. You know, you, you, there's so
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  many other steps into where your mind like your mindset is AT.
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  And obviously when she went in there, it was not to heal.
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  It was to continue conning people, obviously.
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  Yeah, no, I mean, my cousins never once asked me for money
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  for a song or a movie. I didn't even know they could
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  get that stuff until the prison emails came out.
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  And then I'm like, hey, Shelly, can you get movies and songs?
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  She's like, oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, I had no idea.
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  And we had been talking for years, and I had.
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  No idea. Wow.
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  Yeah, it's, I guess they just you, like I said, the mentality
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  is just different. It's just so different.
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  Yes, it depends on the person and it depends on also their
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  crime too. I mean, obviously look at look
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  at Gypsy, what she did and how she went about it, you know, and
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  obviously she got a pretty sweet deal.
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  So she was like, OK, well, I'm just going to chill in here for
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  nine years. Or she ended up getting 8, you
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  know. So I just think it's the
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  mentality for sure. Well, and also, I mean just
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  sitting there being catered to and because I was telling my
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  cousin about all the different privileges she got, the extra
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  privileges and how much she spent at canteen.
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  And they have a cap on canteen right now at $112 and a week, I
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  believe. And, and you can only spend so
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  much a month. And she capped out of that, you
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  know, and, and, and Shelley said that it was lower when she was
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  in because they recently raised it to 112.
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  So she was getting extra privileges from the commissary
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  and on phone calls and whatever else.
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  We have no idea. Yeah.
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  And it's interesting to know, I know this was a long time ago,
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  but I do know that there's been CE OS that have reached out like
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  that have worked in the pods that she was in or around her.
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  And I mean, who's to say that somebody in there wasn't in
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  there allowing her to, you know? Do.
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  Stuff just because they thought that she was, you know, younger
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  or less, I guess, intelligent than the other prisoners and
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  just thinking, you know, hey, let me let her.
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  Let me let her go ahead and do that.
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  You know what I mean? You never know.
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  Yeah, no. And yeah, she's not remorseful
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  for her crimes. And the reason she was allowed
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  to be on the phone so long is because once they got those
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  tablets, they can pretty much be on the phone if they have their
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  tablet in their hand, right? So.
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  And they can carry it around to different rooms and I've, you
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  know, in the hallways and different stuff like that.
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  It even sounded like Gypsy was taking hers.
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  Like on her job is what it sounded like.
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  Yeah, it sounded like she pretty much had it everywhere from what
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  I've listened to calls. Yeah, yeah, that's what.
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  Were you going to say something? I thought I saw you.
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  I was going to say something earlier, but I'm trying to
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  thought it's already long, like it's gone already.
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  Yeah, I'm sorry. No, it's all good.
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  OK, well, let's get into some phone calls.
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  We're going to play the first one.
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  I labeled it Picture Game, and I have a video on my channel where
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  Brian and Gypsy are talking about this very thing.
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  So you'll have to go and watch that after we're done here.
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  But this is Gypsy and Christy talking about it.
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  So if you want me to stop, just say pause and we'll do that.
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  The Chillicothe Correctional Center.
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  Sorry, I was trying to get us to I'm just.
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  Checking in. Oh yeah, let me call.
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  Her. Oh, OK, got to go run some
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  errands. Oh.
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  You got to go. I got to bring my mom pick up
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  her car at she had got her car worked on so I got to bring her
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  to pick it up. You know, I got to go to the
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  store and go pay the guy that worked on Billing's truck.
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  Yeah, it got fixed yesterday. Yesterday afternoon, I went to
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  Dylan in Baton Rouge, went there, picked the mug, came
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  home, He got on the truck, he went home.
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  The time we got here was like, well, it was at the dark.
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  It was like 730 so. But at least that's all done.
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  Yeah, today I'm just doing some laundry after work tonight, but
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  I didn't have school this morning and so they called us
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  cantina release. So I was able to get some fooder
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  and we had just finished making me a cheese, chicken cheese
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  salad. OK, sounds good.
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  Yeah. As much else is going on, I did
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  get Aaron's e-mail. Oh.
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  Good. Give her a call pretty soon.
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  OK, I'll let her know that you'll be calling her, you know,
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  in the next day or whenever. Yeah.
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  I understand. I just want to call you, tell
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  you I love you. I love you.
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  Too. Stefan sent me some pictures of
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  Francesca and Natasha 'cause I never knew what they look like.
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  And so it's a game I'm I'm having to kind of pick between
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  three people. He put Natasha's picture, a
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  fancy picture and this random lady's picture.
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  So I have to pick which one. I think it's who.
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  OK, explain them to me I'll. Tell you.
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  OK so number one is blonde and she has a number 2 is just a
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  lady with brown hair. And a recliner.
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  No, it's just a picture of their face.
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  Heavy fat. Yeah.
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  I mean, all three of them are so kind of difficult to tell.
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  And the other one, number 3 has like her, she's got the Snapchat
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  filter on like a ring of flowers around her head or something.
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  That's not, and she's got dark hair.
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  Yeah. That's Natasha I.
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  Figured that one out. OK, so.
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  By the way, I don't know anything about Natasha Cooper,
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  so just so everybody knows. Well she is in her recliner a
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  lot because I guess like her username was recliner detective
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  or something. Oh, really?
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  I That's when I first came across her, yes.
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  Yeah. And so if no, if anybody doesn't
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  know who Natasha is, she's basically the lady that has the
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  camera like up to her face the closest possible way she can,
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  and she's usually in a recliner. Yeah.
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  I do recall at one point she commented on one of your videos
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  on TikTok. But I was like, what can we
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  really gain from that? She wanted to like, reach out
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  and like, talk to us about stuff.
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  And it's like whatever happened back then really isn't our
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  business, to be honest. She did a lot of stuff.
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  She put she put some very questionable crime scene photos
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  behind a paywall. So I mean, I wouldn't trust her.
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  But yeah, that's that. I don't know too much about her
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  either. I know that she was trying to
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  battle for a while like that. I know that she talked to Ken
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  for some time and I heard the other day we were listening on
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  my live on TikTok. I heard a phone call that said
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  something about like somebody dating Natasha.
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  And I don't know if it was a different Natasha.
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  And people back then when Natasha was talking to Ken were
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  saying that Ken was dating Natasha.
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  And I found that really weird. So I don't know if it's a
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  different like Natasha, but this is the only Natasha I've ever
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  heard of in this situation so. I mean, I seriously doubt that
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  Ken had any involved in dating her.
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  I feel like I did hear about somebody dating her, but it's
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  really weird because I feel like the first couple years, maybe
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  few years that all this gypsy stuff was a brewing on the
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  Internet. A lot of those creators have
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  either kind of stepped back or I just don't hear from them very
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  often. And it's not even that I have
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  them blocked or vice versa. I just feel like I never see
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  them except for fancy. Yeah, she's still active.
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  And she walked me a long time ago.
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  So that was that was on me, but she blocked me.
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  But the Natasha I do still see like from time to time when I'm
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  scrolling like I'll see one of her videos just because she
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  talks about true crime. But there is I think there is a
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  lot of people that just stepped back and you don't see them even
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  like what was her name? The other girl that talks about
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  other things that has a bunch of lawsuits.
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  She was, first of all, yeah, her, she's still around, still
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  talking about stuff that she has lawsuits on her for.
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  So it's like, I think a lot of people step back, but then they
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  come because I've seen her talking about these calls as
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  well. So I think when stuff like this
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  happens, they come back because they see like, oh, it's getting
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  attention, let me see what I can do.
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  And then they're like, oh, not in this community anymore.
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  She's very Duggars and sister wives.
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  Yes. Which are things that I'm also
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  interested in, unfortunately. Well, you Mary Duggar was your
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  damn Sunday school teacher. But that's besides the.
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  Point, but I'm not interested in the TV show.
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  I bought a couple seasons on DVD because it's really hard to find
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  them online so I'm interested in it.
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  I used to watch I was religious with the Duggars as well.
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  Reason I watched them was because I felt like something
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  was off and then I started the shiny happy people is what got
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  me. Kind of like, Oh yeah, that's
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  what was happening, you know? Yes.
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  Well, I. Thought Mary Duggar was just
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  freaking amazing and I mean she was a wonderful person to me.
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  I never saw any red flags or anything but she, even he he was
• 23:41
  never around so he never I never saw him once.
• 23:44
  That was probably for. And she even took me over to the
• 23:48
  Duggar's house and everything. But wow.
• 23:50
  And when we were in the driveway, she's like, OK now we
• 23:53
  don't my my son and I don't agree on everything.
• 23:58
  And she's like, and I wish they'd quit having kids.
• 24:02
  And that was only a couple kids and do it.
• 24:04
  Well, it was in. 96. OK, so they were still, it was
• 24:10
  still like way before all of it because didn't it, didn't their
• 24:14
  show like premiere in the IT was like early 2000s, wasn't it?
• 24:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:18
  Yeah. So I was 16, so yeah.
• 24:23
  So no, it would have been 97, so 97.
• 24:27
  But it is really interesting. A lot of information from Amy's
• 24:30
  book came out. And I mean, her husband was
• 24:34
  doing all kinds of crazy stuff, and she kind of knew about it
• 24:38
  and kind of a little bit sad to hear about that.
• 24:41
  I remember back in the day, I thought that we made a joke that
• 24:45
  I was going to marry one of the Duggar boys.
• 24:47
  I was like, yeah. Which is totally outside of even
• 24:51
  what we practiced. I just want to let everybody.
• 24:53
  Yeah, we did not practice that kind of thing.
• 24:57
  It was just because I saw my Sunday school teacher on the TV
• 25:00
  and I was like, Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's like starstruck, you
• 25:05
  know, you're like, oh, you're on TV, you're on a cool.
• 25:07
  And I can see that's like kind of where they got like that fan
• 25:11
  base of people because a lot of people probably seen them around
• 25:14
  town or, you know, or they're like, oh, they're on TV.
• 25:18
  We met them and very I was so like I was enthralled with that
• 25:22
  show when I was younger. I watched it every episode, all
• 25:26
  that stuff. But I really got into it with
• 25:28
  that, that shiny happy people. I was like, oh, this is that's
• 25:31
  exactly what I thought it was was going on.
• 25:35
  Which I love. Jen from Fun Day Fridays, my
• 25:38
  fellow Missourian. She was a Cherokee.
• 25:42
  Girl, I don't know anything about the newest Duggar bust
• 25:47
  but. Sorry, real.
• 25:49
  Quick Murray, Murray Kel said. Should one woman birth all of
• 25:53
  these kids? Yeah, he did.
• 25:57
  And. Oh, stay away from the Duggar
• 25:59
  boys. Three boys, Yes, It seems like
• 26:01
  they all have something in common.
• 26:03
  And that thing in common has to do with children, you know.
• 26:07
  So anyway, yeah. And when I met.
• 26:09
  Them, they lived in this small little house on the church.
• 26:12
  Well, it wasn't the church property, although I thought it
• 26:15
  was the church property. It ended up becoming the youth
• 26:19
  group house for our youth group. But yeah, so let's get back into
• 26:24
  Gypsy. Sorry about that.
• 26:27
  Side quests. Francesca has.
• 26:31
  Light like. It's like a.
• 26:38
  It's not brown, but it's not blonde, OK?
• 26:43
  Does she have bags? Underneath her eyes, dark
• 26:45
  circles. Yeah.
• 26:46
  OK, that's fantastic. OK, you see, I would have not
• 26:50
  guessed that. I would have thought that the
• 26:53
  the blonde. 1. Would have been her because
• 26:55
  like, I assume that like the reason I wouldn't think that is
• 26:57
  because she wore like a lot of makeup.
• 26:59
  I'm like, OK, well, she said. Never.
• 27:00
  Wears makeup and with the girl. OK, when?
• 27:06
  She wears makeup. She wear this ugly eyes, pink
• 27:10
  lipstick, purple eyeshadow. OK, maybe, maybe the.
• 27:16
  First one is her then because that matches the.
• 27:18
  Rings and the dark circles under her eyes.
• 27:22
  Oh lovely, because the. Picture I got is this lady
• 27:26
  wearing bright ass pink lipstick.
• 27:29
  OK, is this when they're still cool with her?
• 27:32
  No. No.
• 27:34
  So she didn't know who fancy Francesca was, know what she
• 27:37
  looked. Like until after the.
• 27:38
  Fact. Yeah.
• 27:40
  So this is. After they're not cool.
• 27:42
  Yeah, dude. It.
• 27:47
  Stayed. Fancy I just.
• 27:49
  Wanted to play it, it's what they.
• 27:51
  Said it's their words. Not ours.
• 27:53
  OK, it's the blind shirts. The only things I ever say.
• 27:57
  About you are in hard concrete facts, not in opinion.
• 28:02
  OK. Yes, exactly.
• 28:04
  Take your rat back. Did he ever go?
• 28:06
  After you for that for for the the banner that you have 'cause
• 28:12
  that was the last rat I had heard about.
• 28:13
  So she. Talking.
• 28:15
  About you she did. Indeed, write a letter to a
• 28:19
  judge in our state asking for us to be a banner the.
• 28:22
  The poster? No, she did send something to
• 28:27
  military broadcast radio. We love you, Joel.
• 28:30
  Which? You're one of the recipients of
• 28:32
  that, so yes. And, and thank you.
• 28:36
  Beautiful disasters. Yeah.
• 28:39
  So she sent a cease and desist or she said it wasn't a cease
• 28:44
  and desist to MBR, but you know, it's water under the bridge.
• 28:48
  Whatever it is, what it is. We haven't had any.
• 28:51
  Beef in like a year and a half, so we're going to keep away.
• 28:54
  Yeah, I feel like she's enthralled with herself so
• 28:58
  exactly. What I've seen too.
• 29:00
  Busy Karen. What we're doing, we have we.
• 29:03
  All have narcissistic tendencies, right?
• 29:05
  Also totally unrelated high toxic Barbie.
• 29:08
  We talk on Instagram sometimes I don't respond to people a lot.
• 29:11
  She's. She's we talk, we talk a lot
• 29:14
  too. She's always in my lives.
• 29:16
  So she was super excited that I was here today because she's
• 29:19
  like, Oh my God, all my favorite people.
• 29:22
  I really. Like her?
• 29:23
  Well, we're glad to see. You OK?
• 29:26
  We're going to go OK. And just like I said, this is no
• 29:29
  shade to fancy. This is just something, you
• 29:31
  know, it caught my attention that they just kept talking
• 29:34
  about content creators when I decided to sit and listen to
• 29:39
  audio for the stream specifically.
• 29:42
  And so that's why this is coming up.
• 29:44
  What? Time we got here.
• 29:47
  It looks like. It was at.
• 29:51
  The. Door till like 7:30 so, but at
• 29:57
  least that's all done yeah, today I'm just doing.
• 30:02
  Some laundry after work tonight, but I didn't have school this
• 30:06
  morning and so they called us Cantiner.
• 30:10
  And so I was able to get some fooder and we had just finished
• 30:13
  making me a cheese, chicken, cheese salad.
• 30:18
  OK, Sounds good. Yeah, that much else is going
• 30:25
  on. I did get Aaron's e-mail.
• 30:28
  Oh, good. Give her a call pretty soon.
• 30:34
  OK, I'll let her. Know that you'll be calling her,
• 30:40
  you know, in the next day or whenever.
• 30:42
  Yeah. I understand I.
• 30:47
  Just want to call you, tell you I love you.
• 30:49
  I love you too. Jeff has sent me some pictures
• 30:53
  of Francesca and Natasha because I never knew what they look like
• 31:00
  and. That started.
• 31:05
  Sorry, I muted. Both of us just so we can hear
• 31:08
  well. It's so funny to hear people
• 31:11
  call her Francesca. I know.
• 31:14
  I know I was listening to somebody.
• 31:15
  'S video that's totally outside of the gypsy verse that was just
• 31:19
  commenting on some of the videos and this the audios that are
• 31:22
  coming out. Oh, sorry, that's my foot.
• 31:25
  My bad. Anyway, but somebody kept saying
• 31:28
  Francesca, Francesca. And they're like, who's
• 31:30
  Francesca? Fair enough.
• 31:35
  Fair enough. So that was that one.
• 31:38
  We're gonna remove that one. It is really.
• 31:41
  Interesting that they're very caught up in the creator space
• 31:46
  in the fame of it all. It's very telling.
• 31:51
  I feel like. I feel like.
• 31:54
  It's. Go ahead.
• 31:56
  I feel like it. Show it does show like.
• 32:00
  What? They were trying to exactly do
• 32:03
  when she got out, like they were laying the foundation.
• 32:07
  And that's not something like you do out of nowhere.
• 32:09
  Like that's something that once they made that TikTok and they
• 32:13
  seen what following she could possibly get or what she could
• 32:19
  possibly post on there and what communication she can get back.
• 32:24
  I think they realized, oh, well, when you get out, this is going
• 32:27
  to be huge. Like, let's keep doing it
• 32:29
  because it can be something that's going to pay you.
• 32:31
  And I think that's why their eyes were like, oh, OK, let's do
• 32:35
  this. Well, and then they get.
• 32:37
  Caught in the trap of what some content creators done that we've
• 32:42
  seen, you know, in our community where they.
• 32:48
  Believe that they're doing. Something noble or good or
• 32:51
  whatever, and then start playing around behind the scenes with
• 32:55
  different fake accounts and all those things.
• 32:58
  And I think that's, you know, a lot of what they're doing as
• 33:01
  well. So it's not just straightforward
• 33:05
  interaction, it's also underhanded secret.
• 33:08
  Yeah. And and that.
• 33:09
  Tells you a lot too, about the people.
• 33:11
  Like I'm sure Natasha and I'm sure Fancy also was like, oh,
• 33:17
  well, you know, this is what could happen.
• 33:19
  And they were making it sound like they knew, like how it
• 33:22
  could go. And so I think they were giving
• 33:24
  them that kind of information and so forth.
• 33:27
  Because once they met Brie too, I think she spearheaded it too.
• 33:32
  Like, hey, if you go live, you get followers and you get money.
• 33:36
  And, you know, that was something that they were like,
• 33:39
  OK, let's, let's keep doing this.
• 33:41
  And that's why she still does it.
• 33:43
  Yeah. And the round and.
• 33:44
  Round with all the TikTok creators and you know, holding
• 33:48
  court basically, you know to bring people to justice or to
• 33:52
  reprimand them, you know whatever their St. justices or
• 33:56
  their TikTok St. justices. I don't know exactly I feel.
• 33:59
  Like they do a. Lot less.
• 34:01
  Of that stuff nowadays, they do, yeah, they.
• 34:03
  Do and I feel like it's because a.
• 34:04
  Lot of the stuff has come out and they're like, how can I
• 34:07
  really even? No, you can't.
• 34:10
  There's there's. That line that's, I don't know,
• 34:13
  into not only like the, the racist stuff, but the children's
• 34:17
  stuff, you know, there's, there's that line that's drawn
• 34:20
  and a lot of people will draw that line there, you know, and
• 34:23
  unfortunately with me. It was.
• 34:24
  Murder but right. I'm.
• 34:28
  Surprised. That the main thing that Gypsy
• 34:31
  has addressed recently is the racism and not to diminish that
• 34:36
  because that is a really big problem, but she just has not
• 34:40
  said anything about the weird stuff with kids.
• 34:43
  And even if she was denying it and saying no, you can't do
• 34:47
  that, at the end of the day, you stayed married to this man.
• 34:52
  He went out and went home with this man.
• 34:54
  He slept with this man. He put a, it was only for like 3
• 34:57
  or 4 weeks. And that's not the only child
• 35:02
  predator that she was involving herself with in prison, in
• 35:07
  prison. And hopefully that's the end of
• 35:10
  it now. But you know, she even wanted to
• 35:12
  bring. She even wanted to bring.
• 35:14
  Ryan in front of Aurora and her defense of it was, you know,
• 35:20
  Lifetime was filming everything. There's no way that we would
• 35:23
  have been alone. Nothing would have happened.
• 35:24
  But you know, I don't have a child, so I can't speak from
• 35:28
  that place. But you know, if one of my
• 35:33
  cousin's children or something like that, if I were to have
• 35:36
  them in my care, I would not even dream of bringing them
• 35:40
  around. Anybody who could possibly
• 35:42
  fantasize about them, at least to my knowledge.
• 35:45
  Because obviously you never know about anybody.
• 35:47
  Unfortunately. That's why ever posting your
• 35:49
  children is a huge risk. Even on Facebook with close
• 35:52
  friends you never know who is a great but I can't even imagine
• 35:56
  being OK with bringing my child around somebody that has had a
• 35:59
  history like that or even. Sent a photo like she did even
• 36:05
  going there sending a photo like of you and your her and her
• 36:08
  child like Oh yeah forgot. About that, that was.
• 36:11
  It was so. Like I just think that AI think
• 36:14
  a lot of people, the way Ryan is framing it, is it happened so
• 36:19
  long ago. It doesn't matter if it was so
• 36:22
  long ago. Yeah, people do change, but
• 36:25
  unfortunately the actions that are he's displaying now show
• 36:31
  that he's not really a changed person in any way.
• 36:35
  So yeah, his. Apologies are I'm sorry if it
• 36:38
  offended you not I'm genuinely sorry from the bottom of my
• 36:42
  heart. I shouldn't have said that
• 36:44
  exactly. It doesn't seem like.
• 36:45
  He understands the. Gravity of speaking.
• 36:49
  About people. Of other races like that,
• 36:51
  because that's really the only thing he's addressed other than
• 36:53
  briefly, you know, oh, I'm not APDF.
• 36:56
  I'm not APDF. Well, everything we're listening
• 36:59
  to, he's very mad at us for releasing these videos or these
• 37:03
  audios, which, you know. I can understand.
• 37:06
  How you'd be a little frustrated that some of these things would
• 37:09
  be out and I wasn't shocked by them just having phone sex with
• 37:13
  them just doing this or that, but it's the contents of what
• 37:16
  that phone sex is. Yeah, and.
• 37:20
  I can't listen to his calls anymore.
• 37:24
  Like literally when I'm sitting here editing videos or throwing
• 37:28
  them in the Google Drive, I've gotten to the point where with
• 37:31
  Ryan, I'm zoning out I'm, you know, going 5 seconds every
• 37:38
  time, you know. And so if I missed something in
• 37:42
  any of the audio or anything that should be redacted, please
• 37:46
  let me know in the comments if you guys see that because I've
• 37:50
  gotten just so unable to listen to him.
• 37:55
  It is so gross. I have not listened to any.
• 37:58
  Of the. Phone sex calls.
• 38:00
  I've listened to clips that I've seen on TikTok but I have no
• 38:04
  interest the other day. I was on, I, I, I was on, I
• 38:09
  think I was on your guys's channel.
• 38:10
  I don't know if it was. Yeah, it had to have been your
• 38:12
  guys's channel. And I, I pulled up a call.
• 38:15
  I was like, OK, let's listen to this one.
• 38:16
  So I start, I click it to play it, whatever.
• 38:19
  And I'm like, oh, no, I'm not. This cannot be listened to on my
• 38:24
  online TikTok because TikTok is way stricter than over here.
• 38:29
  And I'm like, no. And not, not only that, like I
• 38:32
  don't want to hear those calls like I've heard just like the
• 38:36
  very minor ones. And I'm like, I don't want to
• 38:40
  hear that. I chose that.
• 38:41
  One, because at the end of it he talks about how he's using the
• 38:47
  pictures of candy for them. OK, that's.
• 38:50
  The one. So that's why I wanted to try to
• 38:52
  listen to it because I was like, I wanna I wanna hear what the
• 38:56
  the candy portion was on that anyway, if it was at the end,
• 38:59
  that's why, because when we started listening to it, I was
• 39:01
  like, Oh my God, I can't, I can't.
• 39:03
  And everybody in my chat was like, no, I know.
• 39:06
  It was really. Bad with me editing it too.
• 39:09
  And I was just like, oh, you know, like have a bull by you.
• 39:14
  So. Laura had asked me one day.
• 39:17
  I was sitting here editing one and everything was fine in the
• 39:21
  in the audio. They were just having a normal
• 39:23
  conversation. Laura asked me to get up and go
• 39:26
  into the laundry room. It took me like maybe 5 minutes.
• 39:29
  I come back and I keep hearing this really bizarre sound and
• 39:34
  I'm like, what the hell is that sound?
• 39:37
  And I'm like looking all around and I'm like, oh, it's my
• 39:39
  computer. And I'm like, OK, what the
• 39:41
  Hell's going on there? I put on my headphones and I'm
• 39:44
  like, oh God, you know? So yeah, no.
• 39:50
  I I've been traumatized too much.
• 39:51
  By a gypsy Rose Blanchard already and her anybody that's
• 39:55
  connected to her I'm like no, I'm not going to put myself
• 39:58
  through that that's. Why we're going?
• 40:01
  Through the Christie calls, Yeah, and see.
• 40:04
  Like. With Ryan, too, I haven't been
• 40:07
  really able to because it's like him constantly saying baby and
• 40:12
  constantly do it. Like it's just like it's gets so
• 40:16
  frustrating because you're like, it's the same.
• 40:19
  It's the same conversation over and over again.
• 40:22
  They're either fighting or having the same.
• 40:24
  Yeah, Yeah, I can't. Well.
• 40:27
  Thankfully I've been spared for most of that.
• 40:31
  However, I'm just thinking like Ryan totally took advantage of
• 40:37
  her. Not that she's this perfect
• 40:39
  sweet innocent Angel or anything, but she told him
• 40:43
  explicitly several times that we've just heard on our own let
• 40:47
  in, let alone anything else that hasn't been discovered yet.
• 40:51
  I'm not interested in you, I'm not attracted to you.
• 40:55
  I don't want you and he is just constantly push, push, pushing
• 40:59
  himself on her. And it's like, I hate to make
• 41:02
  Gypsy the victim, you know, especially after the crime.
• 41:07
  But I'm sorry. There are like several people
• 41:10
  that have taken advantage of her since she was in prison.
• 41:13
  Slash out of prison. Christy and Rod being huge
• 41:19
  people in that as well. She has her own problems, don't
• 41:23
  get me wrong, but the fact that Ryan just kept pushing, and
• 41:28
  that's what I've always like. I've always kind of thought Ryan
• 41:31
  was gross, even before I had fully formed my opinions on
• 41:35
  Gypsy. OK?
• 41:37
  It's like, why would you even find somebody who needs to
• 41:40
  clearly go out and explore themselves and their interests?
• 41:44
  Why would you, like, try and attach yourself to that when
• 41:47
  you're. Yeah.
• 41:49
  When you're a. Teacher.
• 41:50
  Of all things. Yeah, and I've.
• 41:54
  Always thought about that too, like I've never, I've had some
• 41:57
  people like I like some people enjoyed his lives.
• 42:01
  Like I was like, I can't stand him.
• 42:04
  Like, and I know with the when the show came out, a lot of
• 42:08
  people were like that too. But you now see she was leading
• 42:13
  him into that. Like she was telling him like
• 42:16
  this is this is what's gonna happen when we get out.
• 42:19
  But then when she got out, that's not what happened and
• 42:22
  made him look like that was what, you know, made him look
• 42:27
  like the bad guy or the one that was pushing himself.
• 42:30
  But I don't think she really did.
• 42:32
  I think it was between Christy. It's funny to say, I think
• 42:36
  Christy pushed her into that relationship and then pushed her
• 42:39
  out of it. And it's it's to me, I think she
• 42:43
  pushed her in because she didn't want her to be home with her and
• 42:47
  Rod when she got out. She wanted her to be somewhere.
• 42:50
  And then she was like, you know what?
• 42:54
  This isn't what I want. And this she realized that there
• 42:57
  was going to be drama if she got a divorce on the show.
• 43:00
  That's what she delivered, that is.
• 43:03
  Huge plot point for ATV show for sure.
• 43:06
  I see Beasbee says the way he touches her when he picks her up
• 43:09
  from prison triggered me for real now.
• 43:12
  I only watched like the first episode and a half if even of
• 43:16
  Life After Lock up just because I was so grossed out by the way
• 43:20
  he was acting. And this was way back when,
• 43:23
  before I knew about any of the PDFs.
• 43:24
  Yeah, OK. I just, and and I'm not trying
• 43:27
  to say like, oh, I feel so much sympathy for Timothy.
• 43:30
  She didn't know wrong. Because I agree she did kind of
• 43:32
  lead him into that. But just seeing him, you could
• 43:35
  totally tell she just wasn't legitimately into it.
• 43:39
  And it just grossed me out so bad I couldn't watch it.
• 43:41
  And yeah, I don't know. And oh, I've stayed in that
• 43:45
  hotel. I have a friend that's staying
• 43:47
  in that hotel right now for the past week.
• 43:49
  Oh, my goodness. I can't even think about that.
• 43:52
  I hope it's not. The same.
• 43:53
  Room, OH. Yeah.
• 43:56
  Hopefully. Fingers crossed.
• 43:58
  Yeah, once I. Found out they stayed in that
• 43:59
  hotel. I was like, oh.
• 44:02
  I hope this is a different room. I hope this isn't their their
• 44:05
  marriage bed. OK.
• 44:09
  Let's go to the next call. This is just Gypsy and Christy
• 44:14
  talking about more creator. Or well, the same creators
• 44:18
  because they're counting. Same that they.
• 44:21
  Can't make. It right now, OK.
• 44:25
  And. Did it ask to for your ID?
• 44:30
  So far, no. So far.
• 44:33
  Like I was creating it, I put you know my name, my address,
• 44:38
  the Security question and everything and it says to make
• 44:43
  you a 4 digit passcode. I do that and then it says we
• 44:49
  cannot. Make.
• 44:52
  This account right now, but I did take a screenshot of the app
• 44:59
  and I think it's a can and no I sure haven't.
• 45:10
  Let's see, I did like Monday, he did.
• 45:23
  When I told him I was just. Checking in on him, he said,
• 45:26
  hey, sorry. Stuff all day.
• 45:28
  Yeah, I'm hanging in there in there.
• 45:30
  Thanks a lot. I miss you too much, love.
• 45:34
  And I said, yeah, it rained here all day.
• 45:35
  What? Rod works in the new boat.
• 45:37
  I'm going to go for it. Today was rough day with my
• 45:39
  neck. Need to start physical therapy
• 45:41
  again. Have a good night.
• 45:42
  Talk to you soon. He said, oh, Gee, sorry you're
• 45:44
  having trouble. But the new boat, that's
• 45:45
  exciting. OK.
• 45:46
  Good night. And kind of like, yeah, it was
• 45:50
  easy to drive. You know, it took 18 hours to
• 45:52
  get to the, you know, duck leaves.
• 45:54
  And then today I sent him the what I did was a screenshot it
• 46:01
  on the app on my phone. And then I cropped it and I
• 46:04
  said, this is the one you need to download.
• 46:06
  And I haven't heard from him. And then sent me an.
• 46:12
  E-mail on the 18th, like he made it on the 18th and I've got it I
• 46:18
  think on like Monday or Tuesday. And it was just between emails
• 46:24
  saying like that, you know, you're, you're still always in
• 46:26
  my heart. I still love you.
• 46:29
  It was very short. And he said that he hopes that
• 46:34
  I'm making it alright as best as I can.
• 46:37
  And then like, like that day, like the 18th, we both made each
• 46:41
  other e-mail. So he sent me that one and I
• 46:45
  sent him this, too. I was just like, I'm here for
• 46:48
  you, you know, I have my suspicion that you're back in
• 46:51
  your addiction. And I just don't want you to
• 46:53
  have to go through this alone, you know, And I haven't.
• 46:56
  Heard from him again. Yeah, well, I sent Jeff the
• 47:02
  picture and he's like, OK, excellent.
• 47:04
  I have seen this one out and about in those groups, but I
• 47:11
  love it either way. Thank you for sending it.
• 47:13
  OK, you're welcome. Cool.
• 47:16
  Yeah, I was going out. To the yard to hang out with
• 47:21
  some friends and kind of get out the house for a little bit.
• 47:26
  I'm trying, yeah. Sociable.
• 47:30
  I hear you. I know.
• 47:32
  I don't wanna. Like in the winter time, I I
• 47:35
  stay indoors more so than I do even in the summertime.
• 47:38
  Yeah, you like me? I just don't like.
• 47:41
  Getting out, but there's a couple of people had called me
• 47:46
  over to say about Tabby and a couple of girls called me over
• 47:53
  to another table and one of them, she's a sweet girl.
• 47:57
  She she said she watched, you know, the whole series and yes,
• 48:01
  of my interviews and she just kind of want to just know me.
• 48:06
  That's all I said I'm out and about, you know, I work.
• 48:10
  This is where I work. So we said we're going to make a
• 48:13
  plan to hang out today. This call is from a.
• 48:16
  Correctional Facility and maybe monitored and recorded.
• 48:19
  I did send four of those glitter cards.
• 48:26
  I mailed them Monday. OK, I have two more to send.
• 48:34
  I ran out of envelopes and Dad was supposed to buy envelopes.
• 48:40
  One of them is a silver one, and the other ones are the same
• 48:46
  color of another one. But remember how I had sent you
• 48:51
  those ones for Christmas and they had the honor, you know,
• 48:55
  stuff like that? Well, it's like that, but it's a
• 48:59
  square and it's just nothing but glitter.
• 49:03
  OK, that's cool with me and so. I took a picture of them when I
• 49:07
  posted it in the group and I said there's somebody, you know,
• 49:10
  mail just people thought they were makeup palette.
• 49:13
  I'm like, no, they're they're one more, you know, I'm not one
• 49:15
  more. There's some cards.
• 49:16
  They're you know, they just quit a card and everything.
• 49:20
  So I. Like 4 channels.
• 49:23
  Yeah, day or next. I mean, I left them.
• 49:27
  Wrapped in the plastic thing, but that's how I sent them last.
• 49:34
  Laura's like. This call is kind of boring.
• 49:36
  Why are we listening? Yeah, I don't get it.
• 49:39
  I'm like, yeah, I'm. Like what it's got?
• 49:42
  It's. Got stuff in it.
• 49:43
  About content creators, I'm just hell if I.
• 49:47
  Know. Probably because, you know, it
• 49:49
  was probably because I was mindful that Ryan kept saying
• 49:53
  that people. Were clipping things.
• 49:57
  Even though I clipped the last one so I don't know, I was dumb.
• 50:00
  Let's see, where did she get to the?
• 50:03
  I don't know. Let's see.
• 50:05
  I mean just. Being honest or no I I get.
• 50:07
  You. I was thinking the same thing,
• 50:09
  just talking. Has to deal with like.
• 50:12
  Drugs or something? Yeah, the.
• 50:15
  The dogs and first time for everything, yeah.
• 50:18
  And I was like. Oh, you want to pet the dog?
• 50:20
  Yeah, it hit certain rooms the bruscane on you guys were just
• 50:26
  watching and then Ken an e-mail asking him if he would be I want
• 50:33
  to talk. I was telling him a little bit
• 50:36
  about what we got going on about Sheila's project and I asked him
• 50:43
  because he still hasn't sent me the one of my certificates, that
• 50:48
  grief and trauma certificate. So I sent this to me.
• 50:52
  That so I can send it to Sheila and get all that stuff to her.
• 50:59
  So I sent that like an hour ago. I don't know if he's going to
• 51:01
  get it or not, but I don't know. Sometimes they.
• 51:04
  Come in quick. And I mean, sometimes they don't
• 51:11
  disappear. I kind of just figured that.
• 51:13
  He'll answer when he wants to finally talk to me.
• 51:19
  Yeah. What's your opinion?
• 51:21
  About it, do you think that like he just doesn't want to be with
• 51:25
  me anymore, or do you think that I think she does?
• 51:30
  But maybe this he needs. What are they talking about?
• 51:33
  And yeah. If you're bored.
• 51:37
  We'll, we'll stop this one. That's what I'm saying.
• 51:40
  I totally agree. You could potentially.
• 51:42
  Fast forward but I'm just wondering what was the grief?
• 51:46
  And trauma certificate. What was was that like a class
• 51:49
  she did? Yeah, yeah.
• 51:50
  But I don't. Understand why Ken would have
• 51:52
  the certificate and why Ken needs to send it to her?
• 51:55
  That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's.
• 51:58
  Did he? Like did he did he fake the
• 52:01
  document for her or something? What I'm thinking?
• 52:04
  Is is she probably, he probably had a picture of it or something
• 52:09
  like that and she wanted another picture of it.
• 52:12
  I don't know. That's the only thing that could
• 52:14
  I could possibly think about it. It's like, yeah, 'cause like,
• 52:18
  why? That would be something she
• 52:19
  would have did in prison. So wouldn't she be able to,
• 52:23
  like, ask them like, hey, can I have another copy of my
• 52:27
  certificate or something? Well, yeah.
• 52:29
  And you? Can look at them on.
• 52:34
  A website I can't. Remember what it is because my
• 52:37
  cousin set me up with it. It's been a hot minute since
• 52:41
  I've looked at it, but you can go in and see the certificates
• 52:45
  and stuff that they've gotten. I don't know.
• 52:49
  To what degree or? Whatever.
• 52:51
  But yeah, so that was interesting.
• 52:54
  That was. Like the only I was like, huh,
• 52:56
  what's a grief and trauma like it I I was assuming it was a
• 53:00
  class, but I'm like, yeah, and why does Ken happen?
• 53:03
  I'm like, what's going on? Yeah, well.
• 53:06
  I think that caught my ear and then something else had to have
• 53:12
  caught my ear in this for me to have.
• 53:17
  Gotten. It let's go through it and see
• 53:20
  what it's what else do you know like 2 times.
• 53:24
  Or five. Times.
• 53:25
  How do I do that? That's the best thing to him.
• 53:27
  You know, yeah. Whenever your campus is in the
• 53:31
  evening, hey. By withdrawing.
• 53:35
  Internally, I turn away from everybody and I'm like, maybe.
• 53:41
  If I tell him, I mean, I don't know if you told him and it
• 53:43
  doesn't matter to me. Like, well, that's what it was.
• 53:46
  It was about Ken. OK, OK.
• 53:50
  And. It's just.
• 53:52
  You know I. Think that it became too much
• 53:57
  like I think that things were fine whenever y'all came to
• 54:01
  visit me and we had you know, we all got together things are fine
• 54:05
  but then yeah, I. Just wish.
• 54:09
  I just wish. You would.
• 54:10
  Have like reached out, you know, and said, hey, you know.
• 54:20
  It's it's, I can imagine, like I, I tried to call him and he
• 54:24
  like, you know, why didn't you lean on me whenever you were
• 54:26
  having a hard time? He's like, that's not the way I
• 54:29
  deal with things. I deal with things by
• 54:31
  withdrawing internally. I turn away from everybody and
• 54:35
  I'm like, maybe. If I tell him, I mean, I don't
• 54:39
  know if you told him, and it doesn't matter to me if you did
• 54:42
  or not that I went to rehab, you know what I'm saying?
• 54:48
  And rehab. Maybe he's Yeah, yeah.
• 54:52
  For when I had. Phenologist.
• 54:54
  You actually went to the. Very beginning of the call
• 54:56
  Shiitake mushrooms. Ambien, I think she wanted to
• 55:02
  get off of Ambien and they no, it's a.
• 55:06
  Sleep. Medicine, and she had been on it
• 55:09
  for a while, and it sounded like.
• 55:12
  She went to rehab. To get off of it, I don't know,
• 55:16
  Jill B said. Katie Joy said the opioids and
• 55:19
  Ambien if I remember correctly from a rant when she turned into
• 55:23
  a JIP. Interesting.
• 55:25
  OK, let me go. Back.
• 55:27
  Sam and. You know I'm not going to
• 55:29
  lecture him. The the passive addiction.
• 55:34
  So it's not like I'm saying anything that you don't know,
• 55:38
  right, OK. You know what I'm saying?
• 55:40
  Like I said, I'm I don't judge him for it.
• 55:43
  You know, people sleep all the time, you know, But if he needs
• 55:48
  somebody to talk to and you know that loves him and you know, I'm
• 55:56
  not going to lecture him, right? I just listen.
• 56:01
  That's exactly like what? I offered, you know, it's like
• 56:04
  I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to get you to change, to
• 56:10
  give me somebody to talk to and I'm here, right?
• 56:17
  But it's been. A different ship because I've
• 56:24
  been down that you know like I wanted to to therapy I.
• 56:27
  Went through. All that so and may, you know,
• 56:30
  maybe it might be a little harder for him to open up to you
• 56:33
  than what it would be to me. Yeah.
• 56:36
  Maybe I'll give it a shot. OK, fine.
• 56:39
  You know, Yeah, I will. OK.
• 56:43
  Sorry about. That for some reason I thought
• 56:45
  that was a different one I guess.
• 56:48
  I uploaded the. Wrong one.
• 56:50
  OK, so yeah, that that was one that I was going to put out as a
• 56:55
  video just because, you know, it talked about Ken and how he
• 57:00
  shuts down and and goes into himself and stuff like that,
• 57:04
  whereas Gypsy doesn't shut down. She explodes and, you know,
• 57:10
  let's everybody know exactly how she's feeling and why she's
• 57:13
  feeling it. So I'm sure that can be an
• 57:16
  interesting how to live in yes for.
• 57:20
  Sure. I found it interesting that like
• 57:23
  she wanted Christy to talk to him like I I get like she wanted
• 57:31
  to kind of get the scoop, but what was to say that Christy was
• 57:34
  going to get that out of him? It was that's questionable.
• 57:39
  Well, I think it. Shows me and other calls have
• 57:42
  shown me that Christy was so absorbed in Gypsy's life that
• 57:49
  she was just an extension of Gypsy.
• 57:51
  Almost, Yeah. And that's what it seems.
• 57:54
  Like that's what it seems like with like Christy and even Brian
• 57:58
  too is like. She's just.
• 58:00
  Like had these extensions of people on the outside that would
• 58:05
  do things for her that kind of like in a way took on even her
• 58:09
  personas that she was with them. I started noticing that about
• 58:13
  Christy listening to these calls like the way like she is like, I
• 58:19
  don't know, I guess the way she talks and.
• 58:22
  The way they're. Both kind of like bouncing ideas
• 58:25
  off of each other. In some calls, it's just like
• 58:28
  very it's eerie because it, it feels like it's a conversation
• 58:33
  with the same person. It's it's crazy.
• 58:36
  That's what I've seen some calls like that, especially the ones
• 58:39
  in the beginning where she's kind of where Christy's setting
• 58:42
  the tone for Gypsy to be like, yeah, like, tell me everything.
• 58:47
  Like, let's talk about everything, yeah.
• 58:51
  One of the calls that surprised me the most between Gypsy and
• 58:56
  Christy was the one where Christy just comes straight out
• 59:00
  and says that she looked and stared at a picture of Dee Dee's
• 59:04
  brain for so long that Mike had to that Mike had to snap her out
• 59:10
  of it and say, Christy, what are you looking at?
• 59:12
  And she's like, well, I'm wondering what was going on in
• 59:16
  there. And I wonder if we should donate
• 59:19
  it to science or it should be donated to science.
• 59:22
  I don't remember ever seeing a. Picture of or of?
• 59:27
  I've never. Seen a picture of it?
• 59:28
  No, it may be. It may be.
• 59:30
  Also like an autopsy that maybe like they only had that like
• 59:34
  they had access to it was it was.
• 59:37
  Something that I really wish they would have.
• 59:39
  Studied her brain to find like because it from what I have
• 59:44
  heard and what I have studied a lot of people that have like
• 59:48
  Munchausen syndrome by proxy or any major like she's saying her
• 59:53
  mom had bipolar and stuff like that.
• 59:55
  You can see that in the brain. So that would, I mean, I guess
• 59:59
  it would be good to. Also debunk it.
• 1:00:03
  If it was something that was going on, but at the same time
• 1:00:06
  it's like. I don't know.
• 1:00:09
  I think that it would have. Been been if it would have been
• 1:00:11
  something that in hindsight in. Hindsight it is that it would
• 1:00:16
  have definitely been interesting to know, but to just blatantly
• 1:00:22
  just all of a sudden, you know, tell her that I was just, I was
• 1:00:26
  caught off guard. I was like, what?
• 1:00:28
  Yeah, that's weird. That's strange.
• 1:00:30
  That's like to me, I guess, depending on the 'cause I
• 1:00:33
  haven't heard that one, but to me that's like her kind of still
• 1:00:37
  putting like the sprinkling of the crime, like, OK, well, this
• 1:00:41
  is like her bread. And I don't know, it's just very
• 1:00:44
  intentional with them all the time.
• 1:00:46
  To me it is it. Is very much so, and I know
• 1:00:50
  there's a couple of them that I gathered for this stream where
• 1:00:53
  they're talking about different things in the crime and content
• 1:00:57
  creators, so I'm hoping something's in here.
• 1:01:00
  How did you clip? Or did you gather for the
• 1:01:03
  stream? I only gathered. 3 for this one,
• 1:01:07
  so got through two yeah I. Know so we're going to go.
• 1:01:10
  To the Don Boker one or Bowker, so can you.
• 1:01:14
  Do. You know more about the Don
• 1:01:17
  Bowker situation and it is Bowker, not Boker, right?
• 1:01:22
  I think it's I I've. I've heard it say, I've heard,
• 1:01:25
  though I've only heard Fancy talk about her.
• 1:01:27
  And it was, I believe it was Boker.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, Boker. But from what I know about the
• 1:01:34
  situation is this was a person that Fancy was talking to.
• 1:01:38
  And from my understanding, what happened was they fancy wanted
• 1:01:43
  her to talk to Nick because Nick wouldn't talk to anybody.
• 1:01:48
  So they were like, let's get you to talk to Nick.
• 1:01:51
  And you know, of course he didn't want to talk to anybody.
• 1:01:54
  He's always said he didn't ever want to talk to anybody.
• 1:01:57
  So my understanding the first time it happened wasn't nothing
• 1:02:01
  happened from it. So she did start talking to
• 1:02:04
  Gypsy and Christy with Fancy and I think eventually they started
• 1:02:10
  working on Nick and this was the woman that was talking with Nick
• 1:02:14
  and ended up actually being in a relationship with him for a.
• 1:02:18
  Period of time so. That's kind of what I know about
• 1:02:20
  her. I don't know, like any of the
• 1:02:23
  legal stuff. I know there was a lot of stuff
• 1:02:25
  with Fancy and all that, but that's what I kind of got from
• 1:02:28
  it, is that Fancy was using her as a tool to get interviews is
• 1:02:33
  what she was doing. I think that's what it seemed
• 1:02:35
  like. And then I think Dawn had her
• 1:02:37
  own agenda as well, and I think the two collided and it just
• 1:02:41
  became a very interesting toxic situation.
• 1:02:44
  So I also think that. Speaking with fancy, because I
• 1:02:47
  used to speak with her a lot. I in the beginning, I was kind
• 1:02:50
  of like, it was kind of my information I was getting and
• 1:02:54
  she was providing me the documents and stuff.
• 1:02:57
  So my understanding to it too, was she she most likely promised
• 1:03:02
  a lot to Don saying, you know, this is a documentary, you're
• 1:03:06
  going to be featured, you're going to have this that the
• 1:03:08
  third, you know, and I think that was something that Don
• 1:03:12
  figured out on her own that wasn't going to happen.
• 1:03:16
  Yeah, and there's. Quite a few calls about Don
• 1:03:20
  between Christy and Gypsy, between Ken and Gypsy, Brian and
• 1:03:26
  I believe. I believe Don was also similar
• 1:03:30
  to Natasha. John was also talking to Ken and
• 1:03:34
  talking. I feel like there was a couple
• 1:03:37
  of women talking to everybody and trying to get different
• 1:03:41
  stories. It seems like they were just
• 1:03:43
  trying to get like different reactions and stories from.
• 1:03:47
  I guess you could. Say, kind of using a detective
• 1:03:49
  strategy and getting stuff out of people I don't know.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah. Makes sense, although I'm I'm
• 1:03:57
  sure it wasn't very happy or fun to effective.
• 1:04:02
  Either, yeah. OK, well, we'll we'll start.
• 1:04:06
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• 1:04:09
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• 1:04:14
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• 1:04:16
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• 1:04:18
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• 1:04:24
  now. Hi.
• 1:04:26
  What is Don? Bowker posting about I don't
• 1:04:29
  know. I'm the flighter flight here.
• 1:04:33
  Because I just got an. E-mail from Carolina G saying
• 1:04:39
  Gypsy, I follow this page on Facebook called by proxy run by
• 1:04:43
  a woman named Don Bowker. She's posting her private
• 1:04:46
  conversation for 60,000 plus AC. She thinks she's some kind of
• 1:04:50
  journalist, but all her material is being done in very poor case.
• 1:04:54
  She has made a long post tonight on Facebook containing photos
• 1:04:57
  from a conversation you guys have had and the comments were
• 1:05:00
  on your side and her has no right to talk about you in such
• 1:05:04
  a manner. Michael, look.
• 1:05:06
  Because I haven't. And her just putting her nose.
• 1:05:11
  In I guess. It's my proxy.
• 1:05:18
  I'm looking. I don't see anything unless if
• 1:05:20
  it's in the by proxy discussion group that I am not in that I
• 1:05:25
  can't see. But nobody sent me anything.
• 1:05:28
  Normally they send me shit. Is.
• 1:05:34
  It from the it's from today. I don't see anything.
• 1:05:43
  I just see that says. She's saying, hey, it's Gypsy
• 1:05:45
  the same every single time. Or is it a preset?
• 1:05:47
  It's something that comes through every time.
• 1:05:50
  Something. That she says every time, so
• 1:05:53
  she's got to say it every time because there's Are you sure
• 1:05:57
  it's not just a preset? That sounds like the exact same
• 1:06:01
  I know it sounds. The same unless they have a
• 1:06:04
  preset call thing I don't know of.
• 1:06:07
  I mean, I'll ask my cousin about it, I think.
• 1:06:10
  That's what it sounds like to me.
• 1:06:12
  No 'cause like Shelly. Will say her name sometimes,
• 1:06:15
  sometimes she won't. So.
• 1:06:20
  And it's not like it's Shelly, you know It's Shelly.
• 1:06:26
  Yeah, sometimes. I've noticed that too that it's
• 1:06:28
  like it's the same pre recorded it's.
• 1:06:32
  Pre recorded that's. Absolutely the same.
• 1:06:33
  Oh, OK, Can a gypsy? Talk about it.
• 1:06:35
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:06:36
  I've never. I mean, it's completely
• 1:06:38
  different. Yeah, 'cause it's always, it's.
• 1:06:40
  Gypsy. Yeah, 'cause like.
• 1:06:43
  When Jacqueline calls me, it's different.
• 1:06:45
  Sometimes it's her voice, sometimes it's not.
• 1:06:48
  She won't say anything. Same with other people.
• 1:06:52
  Are they using other people's? Pens.
• 1:06:57
  No, because I'm paying. For it, never mind.
• 1:07:00
  Yeah, you're paying problems. I put $20 on the.
• 1:07:04
  Books for phone calls and they can call me whenever they want
• 1:07:08
  and they don't hardly call me anymore.
• 1:07:10
  They used to call me all the time.
• 1:07:12
  Now they hardly call me. So yeah.
• 1:07:17
  I don't know. I'm going to ask Shelly, but
• 1:07:21
  like Millennial said, they were talking about it.
• 1:07:24
  Yeah. So I.
• 1:07:26
  Don't know. They can make collect calls.
• 1:07:27
  From other people's pens. But thank you, Millie.
• 1:07:29
  I I assumed it was just kind of A and I thought that.
• 1:07:33
  But then every time Shelly calls it's different.
• 1:07:36
  Well, it sounds like every. Time anybody does anything in
• 1:07:39
  prison, it's different, doesn't it?
• 1:07:41
  That's true. That's true, it doesn't sound
• 1:07:43
  like anything. 'S the same between all these
• 1:07:45
  people, so no, that is true you. Can't.
• 1:07:47
  You can't say that one person stay in prison was the same as
• 1:07:52
  another's? Most definitely not.
• 1:07:55
  Yeah. And like we said.
• 1:07:56
  Earlier too, I think it's because of the mindset of a
• 1:07:58
  person and how they are and who they are as a person.
• 1:08:02
  Everybody's different. Check him on.
• 1:08:05
  Messaging and I don't have anything from Diane or nobody.
• 1:08:14
  I don't know. I was just like I was.
• 1:08:19
  Panicking, I'm like what the hell.
• 1:08:21
  Like Outlook? If it's in there, I can't see
• 1:08:27
  it. If it would be in the discussion
• 1:08:29
  one, I I wouldn't be able to see it because they blocked me.
• 1:08:33
  Oh, I see. But.
• 1:08:37
  I don't think whatever. No, I can't see any anything
• 1:08:49
  girl. They did an interview with that
• 1:08:52
  girl from that inmate that that cop French afternoon and she
• 1:09:02
  told them that like how you went up to her and talked about Comic
• 1:09:09
  Con. She talked about the thing that
• 1:09:11
  you and I talked about that we hope that they wouldn't talk
• 1:09:14
  about. What was?
• 1:09:18
  They didn't. She didn't come out and say
• 1:09:19
  that. She just said that.
• 1:09:21
  Some people tend to do that, like not directly for you, but
• 1:09:28
  like saying that you a meeting from a correctional.
• 1:09:32
  Facility and maybe monitored and recorded.
• 1:09:37
  OK, so. I'm actually thinking since you
• 1:09:40
  haven't seen that her brain should be donated to science or
• 1:09:44
  haven't heard that one. I think let's get into that one
• 1:09:48
  because I think that would be more interesting than what I
• 1:09:51
  prepared. Yeah.
• 1:09:52
  And I I mean. That that call was interesting
• 1:09:55
  to me just because of. I I've heard a lot.
• 1:09:59
  About like the whole fate. Everything was mainly done on
• 1:10:03
  Facebook in the beginning, so that was kind of interesting to
• 1:10:05
  know, but there was. Stuff.
• 1:10:07
  Going on in that Facebook group that and I guess Don did run the
• 1:10:11
  Facebook group at that time too. Yeah, she did.
• 1:10:15
  And that's a long call and I'll put that one out on my channel.
• 1:10:19
  But yeah, it was just too much for me to sit there and listen
• 1:10:24
  to. I don't know why Christie's.
• 1:10:27
  Also very Christie's also very hard to listen to.
• 1:10:31
  A lot of people are like, I, I can't stand the way she talks.
• 1:10:35
  Like it's just drawn out. Yeah.
• 1:10:39
  I've intentionally not. Listened to half of stuff that's
• 1:10:42
  come out. To be honest, I haven't either.
• 1:10:44
  I. Started somebody sent me a file
• 1:10:47
  and I started looking through it and then I was like, I do it all
• 1:10:50
  my live every now and again and then I haven't even listened to
• 1:10:54
  half of these I listen to. Some of the stuff that I see
• 1:10:58
  clipped on TikTok or occasionally like a Millie
• 1:11:00
  video, but it's just irritating to me.
• 1:11:03
  It's so hard to get through. Well, and.
• 1:11:07
  Then you to. Think about, you know, we've all
• 1:11:09
  been through the the emails already and stuff.
• 1:11:11
  So it's like between the emails now the calls, it's like we
• 1:11:16
  it's, it's, it's a lot, it's a lot of stuff.
• 1:11:18
  And these these are going to be coming out for months, years.
• 1:11:23
  Well, and Nick? 'S is coming out too, so Oh yes.
• 1:11:28
  Yes, I've been hearing about that too.
• 1:11:31
  He's just in. Prison.
• 1:11:32
  Just let him. I don't know.
• 1:11:35
  I don't know. It's it's going to be
• 1:11:37
  interesting to see what actually happens.
• 1:11:41
  OK, fine. You know, it's getting nice.
• 1:11:46
  Put some big vapor rub on it. I just, I just got Mia to spray
• 1:11:54
  some Biofreeze on it. OK.
• 1:11:58
  Yeah, that'll be a little better.
• 1:12:01
  Yeah, it does. Until it starts hurting again
• 1:12:04
  are. You on any kind of like pain?
• 1:12:10
  Medication for it, huh? I want to tell her to get.
• 1:12:12
  Botox medication for it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:16
  It I, I've waited too long to take it.
• 1:12:21
  Yeah. I was like, let's just stick it
• 1:12:23
  out and let's see. And then I'll let it get too far
• 1:12:26
  and wow. I got a letter in the mail from
• 1:12:31
  you remember the reporter that was always doing the the
• 1:12:37
  articles throughout my whole case in the news Leader,
• 1:12:42
  Harrison Tegan. Uh huh.
• 1:12:45
  We've Yeah, we've never done. Anything with them being done?
• 1:12:49
  Oh, he had contacted. Me and got a letter and he was
• 1:12:53
  like, you know, I'm the reporter that covers their whole case
• 1:12:58
  throughout the whole thing. You know, if you want, you can
• 1:13:02
  give me a call and you can, you know, tell the messenger story
• 1:13:05
  or whatever. I'm going to open the letter.
• 1:13:08
  I'm like, what is this They said what exactly?
• 1:13:12
  I mean, what I would do is I would just wait till it airs on
• 1:13:19
  HBO, which it should within either January or February.
• 1:13:27
  And then me and dad had to sign a letter saying that we can't
• 1:13:32
  talk to anyone about it. Until.
• 1:13:36
  After three months that it's aired.
• 1:13:39
  Yeah, he's like, tell your story then.
• 1:13:42
  People of Springfield. I'm not going back to
• 1:13:45
  Springfield. I'm done with Springfield.
• 1:13:47
  You know? Exactly.
• 1:13:49
  I mean far behind me if they want to read what had happened.
• 1:13:53
  Your article is perfect that Michelle did so.
• 1:13:56
  I mean right. Exactly.
• 1:13:59
  It made it. Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  It even got put into Rolling Stone magazine.
• 1:14:04
  Oh, wow. Yeah, it was also it was a
• 1:14:09
  little bit about. Y'all's.
• 1:14:13
  And then some others about other moms that did this to their
• 1:14:18
  kids. There were like four other.
• 1:14:21
  Oh wow, moms that did it to their kids.
• 1:14:24
  I didn't read it all. I just wanted to see what they
• 1:14:27
  had said. You know what yours and
• 1:14:29
  basically what they did was just took.
• 1:14:33
  Things like, Michelle said. And put it in there, you know,
• 1:14:37
  everybody's just copying off of hers, you know, And then she's
• 1:14:42
  getting calls saying that they stole, that she stole parts of
• 1:14:48
  their articles, which her article came out way before they
• 1:14:52
  even posted anything. So it's ridiculous.
• 1:14:58
  Yeah. Dateline, they call us.
• 1:15:04
  We talked to them for a little while.
• 1:15:06
  Nothing like no questions or anything.
• 1:15:09
  You know, we just basically told her to contact.
• 1:15:13
  I do. Have a thought.
• 1:15:15
  So, but first of all, I Peaches, I think that fancy is the one
• 1:15:20
  who's going to be released in Nick's calls.
• 1:15:21
  So I would ask her. I'm actually.
• 1:15:25
  I think probably going to get them to.
• 1:15:28
  I have 0. Interest.
• 1:15:30
  I don't know what I'm going. To put out or what I'm going to
• 1:15:33
  do with it, but I think the only.
• 1:15:35
  Interest I have in Nick's calls is what Fancy was doing.
• 1:15:40
  Like what? What was what creators in her
• 1:15:45
  sphere? What were they doing?
• 1:15:47
  What were they talking to Nick about?
• 1:15:49
  But she won't put that. Out.
• 1:15:50
  No, she's the one who's getting it.
• 1:15:53
  That's part of the. Portion that I think I know
• 1:15:55
  there's I want to stay straight out of context with Barb was
• 1:16:00
  trying to as well because she gave me a lot of the files as
• 1:16:04
  well. But I've heard a lot of people
• 1:16:07
  that have, they're like, oh, we're going to get Nick's calls.
• 1:16:10
  And I'm like, there's not too much interest in it.
• 1:16:13
  But I I think that there is a little section that I didn't put
• 1:16:17
  in. A FOIA for it.
• 1:16:18
  Somebody else did the same. Mandy, the same person who put
• 1:16:22
  the FOIA in for the prison emails and for these calls, put
• 1:16:27
  in one and she put in one originally when she put in for
• 1:16:31
  the prison e-mail. For everything, Yeah, for.
• 1:16:33
  Everything. And because it was supposed to
• 1:16:36
  be like. Everything right like that where
• 1:16:38
  they she was supposed to get sent Yeah and she.
• 1:16:40
  Didn't because they said that it would be dangerous for Nick's
• 1:16:45
  calls to get out and it would be dangerous for Gypsy as well, I
• 1:16:49
  think is what they told her. So the fact that they let him go
• 1:16:55
  is kind of interesting, but that is.
• 1:16:57
  Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen.
• 1:16:59
  I've. Even tried to.
• 1:17:01
  Get calls from different cases and they've told me the same
• 1:17:04
  thing. They're like, we can't, we can't
• 1:17:06
  do that. It's a danger to the inmates and
• 1:17:09
  to. To anybody.
• 1:17:12
  Who they're talking to or about? Yeah, I see.
• 1:17:17
  That Peaches also. Says that he needs a retrial.
• 1:17:19
  While I agree that he was kind of screwed over a little bit, I
• 1:17:24
  don't think he deserves A retrial, honestly, at this point
• 1:17:28
  because it's just a waste of our taxpayer money in here in
• 1:17:31
  Missouri. And I think he deserves to be
• 1:17:34
  there. And no matter what comes out in
• 1:17:36
  this trial, Gypsy is never going back to prison.
• 1:17:39
  No matter what she did, she's not going back to prison for
• 1:17:42
  this particular crime, even if something comes out that she did
• 1:17:46
  more. You know, it's unfortunate, but
• 1:17:48
  it's also the way that the justice system works.
• 1:17:51
  And I don't really want to live in a country where.
• 1:17:55
  You can be retried. And all the stuff for things
• 1:17:57
  that you've already kind of gone through.
• 1:17:59
  So it's a really complicated scenario, but I don't want my
• 1:18:03
  tax dollars to go to that. I think that there's other
• 1:18:06
  people in Missouri that have been unjustly tried and unjustly
• 1:18:10
  convicted of things, and that's a lot more important.
• 1:18:14
  Y'all, We have to focus on the things that are happening that
• 1:18:17
  we can still make a difference in this gypsy ship.
• 1:18:20
  It's done. It's.
• 1:18:21
  Over. Yeah.
• 1:18:23
  And I think that's. The.
• 1:18:25
  Biggest thing with a lot of people too, is I had a somebody
• 1:18:28
  come in my life talking about federal charges.
• 1:18:30
  I'm like, no, I said it's not worth it.
• 1:18:33
  It's not worth it for the state. It's not worth it even for for
• 1:18:37
  them to even just look at it. You know, there's so much other
• 1:18:41
  more impactful things that can be done now, you know?
• 1:18:45
  Yeah, sorry. I.
• 1:18:47
  Think that's Ash? It sounds like somebody's
• 1:18:49
  playing video games behind Ash, so it's all good.
• 1:18:52
  Sorry guys. It's all good, no worries.
• 1:18:56
  It's all good. OK, so let's finish this.
• 1:19:01
  Oh. You'll have to.
• 1:19:02
  Sorry. Bye.
• 1:19:04
  Bye, Aaron. I'm making.
• 1:19:06
  Work something? Out you.
• 1:19:09
  Know because we're. Not.
• 1:19:11
  Answering 2050 questions again over the phone not doing it.
• 1:19:16
  I called maybe Jenner Smith that from bait line in 2020 and yeah,
• 1:19:23
  I have her business card. They they all work together and
• 1:19:28
  I told Jenner that I wasn't, you know, going to do an interview
• 1:19:32
  So and I thought I could bother y'all well.
• 1:19:36
  She I had met her after one of your court dates.
• 1:19:44
  I walked. Outside and she was talking to
• 1:19:47
  Mike. And me and Patty were.
• 1:19:50
  Sitting down on a bench and after her and Mike talked, she
• 1:19:55
  can't introduce herself to me. He gave me her card, but I've
• 1:19:59
  never other than that day, I never talked to her again.
• 1:20:05
  You know. I mean, there's.
• 1:20:08
  People. That are.
• 1:20:10
  Calling on my cell that I don't even like know who it is.
• 1:20:14
  Calling from California and this is not and I don't even answer
• 1:20:17
  it because I know what it's about, right?
• 1:20:20
  You know Dad. Had I think he finally told you
• 1:20:23
  that he sent back an e-mail to the producer or whatever that
• 1:20:28
  had contacted Mike? Yeah.
• 1:20:32
  They responded back yet? I don't know Dad's.
• 1:20:37
  Alligator hunting right now. Yeah.
• 1:20:41
  You came and told me he left. Yeah, he left Thursday and he
• 1:20:51
  texted me this morning. They only caught 4 so they're
• 1:20:55
  staying until tomorrow night so they could get the rest of their
• 1:21:00
  tags. And I'm like because I.
• 1:21:05
  Checked him this morning, I'm like when you coming home
• 1:21:07
  because he said he'd come home today or Sunday and he's like
• 1:21:09
  not till tomorrow. The reason that I'm letting.
• 1:21:14
  It play out is to show you guys how randomly she just pops us
• 1:21:19
  into the conversation. Like shit, you know how we are
• 1:21:26
  doing. She's not good.
• 1:21:29
  She's in A room. Probably.
• 1:21:34
  Watching TV. Oh yeah, they started, they went
• 1:21:39
  back, I want to say was August 8th.
• 1:21:49
  Yeah. They, they, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:52
  Because they got out of school on May 20th, because they didn't
• 1:21:57
  use any hurricane days. So they had got out, you know,
• 1:22:01
  five days early. Instead of getting out on the
• 1:22:04
  25th, they got out on the 20th. I know I had.
• 1:22:07
  I was watching the news and I didn't even know that there was
• 1:22:11
  a hurricane out in the Gulf. Yeah, well.
• 1:22:16
  I went straight to Florida and now it's.
• 1:22:20
  Along the. Coast of North Carolina and
• 1:22:23
  South Carolina heading to Jersey.
• 1:22:27
  So I sent a message to Allison because her family's from Jersey
• 1:22:38
  and, you know, asked her, you know, how they were doing.
• 1:22:41
  And she said everybody was good. They learned preparation from
• 1:22:48
  from Sandy, which was every freaking storm combined into
• 1:22:52
  one. Right.
• 1:22:53
  That was that was, you know, yeah, super Superstorm Sandy.
• 1:22:59
  I think they want they had said it was Superstorm and but
• 1:23:05
  there's another one that's forming.
• 1:23:10
  Right off the coast of. Mexico that they are watching
• 1:23:16
  right now so I don't know where that one's going to go you're.
• 1:23:22
  Sending me like, you know how we get to emails here?
• 1:23:27
  Well, I'm putting like Part 1, Part 2, Part 3 until one of the
• 1:23:33
  articles. So I'm right, I'm right about
• 1:23:36
  the part where it talks about, and I'm a little confused about
• 1:23:41
  this and, you know, going through the whole page, I didn't
• 1:23:44
  ask my kid show me the odd top 2 results or anything because I
• 1:23:49
  just knew I wasn't mentally stable and that's to handle it.
• 1:23:54
  So, you know, in the part where it says that you were looking
• 1:23:58
  through the results and there was something like a part about
• 1:24:02
  her brain or something I don't understand.
• 1:24:04
  Yeah. What?
• 1:24:05
  What is that? OK, this is what happened when I
• 1:24:10
  went up there by myself and I flew up to meet me.
• 1:24:15
  I went to Mike's office and I said, I want to see everything.
• 1:24:22
  I said I want to see every picture, everything you got.
• 1:24:26
  And he was like, Are you sure? And I said, yeah, I'm positive.
• 1:24:31
  So, you know, it was out a crime scene photo.
• 1:24:35
  Then they had pictures of your mom's autopsy photos, and they
• 1:24:42
  had a picture of her brain. And that's what I was staring
• 1:24:44
  at. And when Mike said, what are you
• 1:24:48
  looking at? That's when I said, I wonder
• 1:24:51
  what was going through a brain of hers.
• 1:24:54
  What makes somebody think that way?
• 1:25:01
  You know, that's what I was wondering.
• 1:25:03
  I was like, why they can't donate, you know, brains like
• 1:25:08
  this to science and see how it works, you know, see where how
• 1:25:13
  it's, you know, I mean, you can do so much with science these
• 1:25:16
  days. That's what that was from.
• 1:25:19
  It wasn't an autopsy report I was reading.
• 1:25:23
  It was the picture I was looking at.
• 1:25:30
  Think about, you know, an odd top.
• 1:25:32
  See. You know what they do in an odd
• 1:25:34
  top? Well, what?
• 1:25:37
  They yeah, what they do is they'll take out all Oregon way,
• 1:25:44
  you know this is for. I mean, I guess they do it, but
• 1:25:49
  this sort of case too. But that's what they do when
• 1:25:54
  like, people die of a heart attack or people die, you know,
• 1:25:57
  in their sleep and they don't know why.
• 1:25:59
  So they'll, you know, take the organs out and weigh them and,
• 1:26:03
  you know, and some people's hearts are two times the size,
• 1:26:07
  you know, that it should be or, you know, whatever.
• 1:26:09
  Or, you know, they got to figure it out.
• 1:26:12
  That's their job. Yes.
• 1:26:15
  They just, they knew what was the cause, but they still had to
• 1:26:21
  do some things. Did I see your mom's insides?
• 1:26:27
  No, sorry. The only thing I saw was her
• 1:26:30
  brain. That was it still attached to
• 1:26:33
  her? Not in a bowl or anything.
• 1:26:36
  You still want, you know, attached to her.
• 1:26:39
  And that's when Mike was getting ready to go to another picture.
• 1:26:45
  And I said, no, you stay right here for a second.
• 1:26:48
  And that's when he said, well, what are you looking at?
• 1:26:51
  I said, I just want to know what went through it, what went
• 1:26:54
  through her mom. I want to know what was in that
• 1:26:57
  brain to make her do all this shit.
• 1:27:01
  That's what. That meant 'cause I was like.
• 1:27:05
  Reading that one part and I'm like, I just don't.
• 1:27:10
  So what do you think about that? That's disturbing.
• 1:27:16
  That's. I mean I I can.
• 1:27:19
  See like. I don't know, I I feel like.
• 1:27:22
  If it was. The victim saying.
• 1:27:26
  That it would be different like if if we were in a perfect world
• 1:27:29
  where everything that has been said about like gypsies told the
• 1:27:33
  truth and all this stuff, I feel like.
• 1:27:37
  She's putting herself. In Gypsy's shoes, More like
• 1:27:42
  she's trying to, like, live it for some reason, yeah.
• 1:27:47
  It's weird. I'm a nosy.
• 1:27:49
  Bitch, I probably would have done the same thing
• 1:27:50
  unfortunately, but I don't know. Has any but?
• 1:27:57
  I'd I don't. Want it?
• 1:27:59
  I don't want to. Release it.
• 1:28:00
  But has anybody requested the autopsy photos?
• 1:28:04
  Oh, I don't know, I. Know somebody got the autopsy
• 1:28:07
  report, but I don't want anything to do with that stuff.
• 1:28:10
  Everything that Greene County sent me was fortunately well, in
• 1:28:15
  that instance, redacted, not in the explicit which we had or
• 1:28:20
  seen from Fancy. Though yeah, we had already seen
• 1:28:23
  it from. Fancy, but but I'm also
• 1:28:26
  wondering. Like is she looking Because
• 1:28:29
  it's, it's 'cause it is like that curiosity of like, what is
• 1:28:32
  she looking at? And she said her brain and like
• 1:28:36
  they so did they do a full autopsy on it?
• 1:28:40
  There is one. Autopsy photo in my Google
• 1:28:42
  Drive. I completely forgot millennial.
• 1:28:44
  Thank you. Millennial reminds me of
• 1:28:47
  everything 'cause I I genuinely have cognitive delays guys.
• 1:28:51
  Like I seriously cannot remember crap.
• 1:28:54
  OK, so and I don't have any. And I don't remember anything
• 1:28:59
  either, so it's OK. But yeah, I, I think it's, it
• 1:29:06
  would be interesting to know what she was looking at 1:00 and
• 1:29:10
  2:00. What like because I know in
• 1:29:13
  autopsies, in most autopsy autopsies even to do with crime,
• 1:29:17
  they don't, they don't look at the like they don't.
• 1:29:21
  Unless it was some. Do they really?
• 1:29:24
  Yeah, they usually do, because. I I feel like.
• 1:29:26
  Most of the autopsies that I've come across, they've never
• 1:29:29
  really like, oh, we like. I know that's part of it
• 1:29:32
  usually, but I'm trying to think back about the other ones, yeah.
• 1:29:37
  Like to. See if it was abnormal or
• 1:29:40
  whatever, right? Yeah, normally I.
• 1:29:43
  Just I just feel like that. Would just be so weird to sit
• 1:29:46
  there and stare at a brain. Well, the fact that.
• 1:29:49
  She had no emotions and she was talking like.
• 1:29:52
  That. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:55
  That that's concerning Or? What?
• 1:29:58
  I've seen brain before. I've seen it.
• 1:30:01
  In autopsy photos before, yeah, I have as well.
• 1:30:05
  But to somebody you know. Is different.
• 1:30:07
  Completely different. Yeah, very different.
• 1:30:09
  Yeah. And it's like.
• 1:30:12
  I don't know, I feel like. It's her putting.
• 1:30:14
  It feels like a scene from a movie like.
• 1:30:18
  She's like sitting. There, like I just had to stare
• 1:30:21
  at it and just wondered, like, you know what I mean, do you
• 1:30:25
  think? That she lives out her everyday
• 1:30:28
  life trying to make those moments happen.
• 1:30:30
  Or do you think she looks back on it and kind of embellishes a
• 1:30:34
  little bit? Or is she?
• 1:30:37
  Just weird. I think they're all just.
• 1:30:39
  Weird. I think they're all just very
• 1:30:42
  weird. I think that they have this
• 1:30:43
  weird perspective of not only the crime, but of of the
• 1:30:51
  situation they're in as a whole, as a family too.
• 1:30:55
  I think that especially with Christy, it's just like.
• 1:30:59
  For some reason I just feel. Like she's trying to, she lives
• 1:31:02
  through Gypsy and she connects with Gypsy and it's just really
• 1:31:06
  weird to me. It's always been really weird
• 1:31:07
  that she's connected with Gypsy more than it seems like she
• 1:31:11
  connects with her actual daughter.
• 1:31:14
  Yeah. I'm.
• 1:31:15
  Kind of like living vicariously through Gypsy.
• 1:31:19
  Yeah, exactly. Like kind and and in a funny
• 1:31:22
  way, kind of living vicariously through Gypsy, but also because
• 1:31:27
  I know I've heard stories from people that were friends with
• 1:31:31
  with Dee Dee and it's like she kind of was the same way with
• 1:31:35
  Dee Dee. Like she was trying to do the
• 1:31:36
  same thing when they were around each other when, you know,
• 1:31:41
  because very small town they were around each other.
• 1:31:44
  So she was trying to live. She was trying to live
• 1:31:48
  vicariously through DD. Yeah, like.
• 1:31:50
  I, I, she, from what I've heard is she was a lot of people, not
• 1:31:56
  MVDD, but like, she had a personality, she was outgoing.
• 1:32:01
  She yeah, they liked her. People gravitated towards her
• 1:32:04
  because she was she was nurturing, you know, So I think
• 1:32:09
  that a lot Christy seen that. Christy seen that first hand all
• 1:32:12
  the time, especially with working with her.
• 1:32:15
  And so I think I feel like she, she also latched on to that.
• 1:32:19
  And that was part of the reason that Christy ended up with Rod
• 1:32:23
  too, in my opinion, of course. Interesting.
• 1:32:26
  I. I feel like it's all.
• 1:32:27
  Really connected with Christy. I think she as much as people
• 1:32:32
  like want to sit here and say, oh, like, you know, that's just
• 1:32:37
  drama. I really think she lives for
• 1:32:39
  that kind of drama though, And she has I feel like most of her
• 1:32:43
  life. Exactly.
• 1:32:45
  Even putting herself in the middle of all this gypsy stuff
• 1:32:48
  where she didn't have to. No, I, I.
• 1:32:51
  Think she definitely has taken way too much enjoyment and
• 1:32:55
  pleasure out of throwing herself within the chaos of everything
• 1:32:59
  that's happened. I think within the last year
• 1:33:04
  I've not seen her really active as much as she used to be and
• 1:33:09
  I'm wondering if it's because she got burned by somebody after
• 1:33:13
  you release the. Gypstein files.
• 1:33:15
  I've seen a lot less Christie. Yeah, but.
• 1:33:18
  She also interacted with a content creator that burned her
• 1:33:23
  pretty bad, and I don't think we'll ever learn what happened
• 1:33:26
  there. But yeah, so I, I she's been
• 1:33:32
  absent quite a bit. Yeah, all of them have.
• 1:33:35
  All of them. I mean, the only one that's
• 1:33:38
  that's still in the public eye in a way is Mia.
• 1:33:41
  I mean, she's still going live and she's still doing that, but
• 1:33:45
  she's she's not doing it in regards to Gypsy.
• 1:33:48
  You know, she's living her life the way she lived before and
• 1:33:52
  she's going to continue doing that.
• 1:33:54
  So I, I don't think I think that like with a lot of the people,
• 1:33:57
  just step back. I know for a fact that Bree is
• 1:34:01
  still going live. I know she doesn't really talk
• 1:34:03
  about Gypsy, but she's still, she's still up and doing all of
• 1:34:06
  that stuff. And it's just, I think they just
• 1:34:09
  took a step back because. The truth always ends up.
• 1:34:13
  Coming out, no matter if it's slow little crumbs or whatever,
• 1:34:18
  it's going to end up coming out No I.
• 1:34:21
  Agree. And I think, I don't think they
• 1:34:24
  ever anticipated this much information coming out, but I
• 1:34:28
  think that once they encountered fancy, they should have had some
• 1:34:32
  kind of inkling what was going to happen because if one of us
• 1:34:36
  wasn't going to. Do it fancy sheet.
• 1:34:39
  If she has something she wants to get done, she will get it
• 1:34:43
  done. I give her props for that.
• 1:34:45
  Yeah, yeah. I mean.
• 1:34:47
  Yeah, talk. I mean, she she got, she really
• 1:34:50
  got them to talk and sign paperwork and do all of that
• 1:34:53
  stuff. So sign over the life.
• 1:34:56
  Rights. That's like a huge deal,
• 1:34:59
  especially them signing it over to somebody who didn't really
• 1:35:01
  have any credits behind or. Any credit, and I'm even saying
• 1:35:05
  that to this. Fancy it's.
• 1:35:06
  Just like she hadn't done anything other than some, you
• 1:35:09
  know, extra work. And the fact that.
• 1:35:12
  They trusted anyone like that is a.
• 1:35:15
  Lot but it. Seems like.
• 1:35:17
  They have a bad habit of trusting.
• 1:35:22
  Variable. Random or not so random, but
• 1:35:27
  very not qualified people, yeah. Yeah, and I feel they're trying
• 1:35:33
  to do I. Feel like they try.
• 1:35:35
  To do that in a way to where they can like.
• 1:35:39
  Do things the. Way they want to do things, you
• 1:35:42
  know what I mean? So you're not like a
• 1:35:44
  professional. So obviously we're going to get
• 1:35:47
  to talk you into doing what we want you to do as opposed to
• 1:35:52
  then the other way around is like, this is what's gonna
• 1:35:55
  happen and stuff, yeah. Yeah, no.
• 1:35:58
  I. Agree with that.
• 1:36:00
  OK. Do you guys wanna finish the
• 1:36:02
  rest of this or do you want to? How much longer is there?
• 1:36:06
  It's like 39. Minutes all together?
• 1:36:08
  Well, the only thing. Is there's plenty.
• 1:36:11
  Of gypsy calls that I feel like we could go over but like clips
• 1:36:14
  of them. I don't know how much this is
• 1:36:16
  going to OK, let me. Look at the I'll be right back.
• 1:36:20
  Yeah, no worries. You know, the most telling thing
• 1:36:24
  that I think have come out of the Gypsy coals in general are
• 1:36:27
  the Ryan things, whether it be because Ryan is a weirdo or the
• 1:36:33
  fact that Gypsy allowed him to be a weirdo.
• 1:36:35
  And yeah, like she called him out at certain times, but.
• 1:36:40
  It was on a. Recorded line each time.
• 1:36:42
  And, you know, there's a lot of things she said on this recorded
• 1:36:45
  line that I wouldn't want the general public to hear, but I
• 1:36:50
  don't think. She was, really.
• 1:36:51
  Admitting to crimes. On the recorded line.
• 1:36:55
  So I think that personally, I think that might be part of the
• 1:36:59
  reason why she called Ryan out, because it was on a recorded
• 1:37:05
  line. But you know, that's just
• 1:37:06
  conjecture. Conjecture.
• 1:37:08
  I can't talk 20 minutes. Oh my goodness.
• 1:37:15
  Y'all, This is why I've only. Listened to TikTok clips.
• 1:37:20
  This is too much. I'm really it really is too much
• 1:37:22
  for. Me too, I'm kind of.
• 1:37:25
  I don't wanna say like 1000% over Gypsy right now, but I'm
• 1:37:29
  pretty done. I feel like I've heard
• 1:37:31
  everything that I need to hear. I'm having a hard.
• 1:37:37
  Time going through these and uploading them I'm telling you
• 1:37:40
  those guys I. Work and I do other things that
• 1:37:45
  I don't pay attention to any of this if I'm being honest I'm
• 1:37:48
  I'm. The same way I'm kind of burnt
• 1:37:51
  out, I've been doing like. I'll do.
• 1:37:54
  Videos and you know, people are like, let's talk about it this
• 1:37:59
  time and I'm like, you know, I'll talk about it for a certain
• 1:38:01
  period of time, but there's just so much like we have, there's so
• 1:38:06
  many trials that are coming up and so many crimes, like crimes
• 1:38:12
  that have happened and that need attention, you know, so I don't
• 1:38:16
  to me, it's like I'll, I give it the time of the day every once
• 1:38:21
  in a while and then I kind of like push back a little bit.
• 1:38:25
  Barbara Hall. Thank you for joining us.
• 1:38:27
  I hope that reach out to us if. There's something that I like to
• 1:38:33
  hear what you have to say about your son's case.
• 1:38:35
  I'm so sorry. I actually have.
• 1:38:39
  A family coming on next week to talk about the death of their
• 1:38:44
  loved one. And we're going to talk about it
• 1:38:47
  and try and get some answers because I did some FOIA.
• 1:38:51
  Well, they're foils in New York. Yeah, in New.
• 1:38:54
  York. I did some foils for that one
• 1:38:57
  and I haven't gotten. Anything.
• 1:39:00
  Back so female, said Tupac. Case right now too.
• 1:39:05
  Yes. That's insane.
• 1:39:08
  I don't know if I trust that all that information is Timmy Dees.
• 1:39:13
  You can reach out to us at Into the Weeds at MB Radio dot US.
• 1:39:21
  Military broadcast radio dot US. It's M Sorry MBR, I'm sure not
• 1:39:29
  everybody. Speaks sign language or Sorry
• 1:39:32
  sorry. That's my go to show you.
• 1:39:35
  That's my go. To whenever I'm trying to spell
• 1:39:39
  something out for somebody I automatically start trying to do
• 1:39:43
  sign and I know I get weird looks all the time.
• 1:39:47
  I'm sorry. No, it's all good.
• 1:39:48
  I was just. Laughing.
• 1:39:49
  I was like, I don't think you're making it any more clear, but I
• 1:39:52
  was gonna Google it, but I don't have my phone on me right now.
• 1:39:55
  MB Radio. Dot US so into the weeds at MB
• 1:39:59
  Radio. Dot US.
• 1:40:01
  So yeah. I have to be honest, I'm kind.
• 1:40:04
  Of over these calls, but OK, while we have you here, I mean
• 1:40:08
  if we have something really important to go over it's just I
• 1:40:12
  don't know it's. Just.
• 1:40:13
  Tipsy, I don't want to listen to like. 20 minutes to get like 40.
• 1:40:18
  Seconds. Of juicy info.
• 1:40:21
  So while we have you here, I'm curious, how did you get into
• 1:40:26
  the Tophia verse? I live in New Mexico, so I was
• 1:40:31
  actually born and raised in Albuquerque and I live in New
• 1:40:35
  Mexico, so I have a lot of friends that see her all the
• 1:40:38
  time. Actually, last video I had
• 1:40:41
  posted of my exclusive content was from my friend.
• 1:40:44
  She sends me. She's like, we have an inside
• 1:40:46
  joke of like, should I go beat her up?
• 1:40:49
  Like she's just funny like that. I'm like, she's like, should I
• 1:40:53
  show? I'm like, no, is she?
• 1:40:55
  Of course she would never do that.
• 1:40:56
  She was with her children. It was like, but she so that's
• 1:41:00
  how I kind of got into it. The same friend that provided me
• 1:41:04
  that she unfortunately lost her brother to a violent crime in
• 1:41:08
  Albuquerque. And she I spoke with her a lot.
• 1:41:13
  And so with Tofia, her brother lost his life to a violent crime
• 1:41:19
  in Albuquerque. When they were sleeping in their
• 1:41:21
  cars, Somebody tried to carjack them and ended up taking his
• 1:41:25
  life. And her mom was actually, she
• 1:41:28
  was like, grazed by her ear. And So what happens?
• 1:41:33
  There's a nonprofit that works out here.
• 1:41:36
  And basically what they do is they provide, you know, victims
• 1:41:41
  of violent crimes money to bury their loved one.
• 1:41:45
  Unfortunately, it's not everything because, you know,
• 1:41:48
  burial. And if you bury them, if you
• 1:41:50
  cremate them, it's not everything.
• 1:41:52
  So what they stipulate is that you can't crowdfund.
• 1:41:56
  So after they pay the $6000 that they'll give you, you don't
• 1:42:01
  crowdfund. You have to come together as a
• 1:42:03
  family to collect anything more that you need to either bury
• 1:42:07
  them or for whatever services that are needed, which is what
• 1:42:11
  my friend went through. So when all this came through,
• 1:42:14
  Tofia actually started going on her live and saying that this
• 1:42:18
  the case wasn't wasn't solved, that it was still open.
• 1:42:21
  But the guy actually ended up. What happened to him was he
• 1:42:24
  ended up driving, taking the car, he hit another car and he
• 1:42:28
  had a weapon obviously. So a security guard told him to
• 1:42:33
  put it down. He wouldn't and he was shot so
• 1:42:37
  that the case was closed. That's who had did it.
• 1:42:39
  He was stealing cars in the area.
• 1:42:41
  He was. They don't know why he did it.
• 1:42:43
  He just did it. And so I requested all of the
• 1:42:47
  incident report, just the incident report, because she
• 1:42:51
  kept saying that APD had not solved this case.
• 1:42:54
  And I was like, this case is solved.
• 1:42:56
  So I posted it so to prove to her that this was what happened.
• 1:43:00
  And I learned that she actually didn't know anything to do with
• 1:43:04
  the case. So that's why I started
• 1:43:06
  initially talking about it, was that I wanted her to be aware
• 1:43:10
  that her brother's case was no longer open.
• 1:43:14
  Thank. You.
• 1:43:15
  Joy, What the heck is that? Daffy loves you.
• 1:43:18
  What did you do? Oh, my goodness.
• 1:43:20
  Sorry. Yeah.
• 1:43:22
  No, I totally. Yeah.
• 1:43:24
  So, well, my first thought is we've already.
• 1:43:28
  Established. That the.
• 1:43:30
  Person who committed this. Crime has nothing to do with
• 1:43:33
  anything online. I know that she still kind of
• 1:43:35
  goes back and forth between saying, well, it might have had
• 1:43:37
  to do with the Internet, but it was just some random it was it.
• 1:43:42
  Was a random guy. Yeah, it was in.
• 1:43:44
  They were in a very good part of town.
• 1:43:47
  They were in a train in a church parking lot, but it was in a
• 1:43:49
  very good part of town. So it was a random guy.
• 1:43:54
  I believe. It's just my opinion.
• 1:43:56
  I believe and I've always said it's my opinion.
• 1:43:59
  She wants to fight with me and say that I've just said that she
• 1:44:02
  did this to her brother. But it's my opinion that incite
• 1:44:05
  she is inciting. And it even this because I've
• 1:44:09
  been in contact with the city as well.
• 1:44:11
  And they they watch her because they know that she can possibly
• 1:44:15
  incite people because of what she talks about.
• 1:44:17
  She talks about politics online. She talks about so much
• 1:44:20
  problematic stuff. So that was something that it.
• 1:44:26
  It was. It was random.
• 1:44:27
  It my opinion, of course, I think she can definitely incite
• 1:44:30
  somebody. I think there's something that
• 1:44:32
  can happen and that's my concern.
• 1:44:34
  That's why I voice it, because I'm like, I want people to be
• 1:44:38
  aware that this. Is out there and.
• 1:44:41
  What she's doing is basically scamming because even her tears
• 1:44:46
  have proven to be fake the past few times she's gone live.
• 1:44:50
  So yeah. And it's like.
• 1:44:52
  She gets political but a lot of the times, and I'm not trying to
• 1:44:55
  act like I'm the most informed person that has ever moved or
• 1:44:58
  anything like that. There's many things I probably
• 1:44:59
  get wrong or I misunderstand, but I don't.
• 1:45:03
  Even remember what it. Was but I was literally
• 1:45:04
  listening to something about her while I was working today and
• 1:45:08
  she was saying something in like the political sphere and I'm
• 1:45:10
  like, you totally like missed the point and.
• 1:45:16
  She and I do. Feel bad about what happened to
• 1:45:19
  her brother, regardless of the things that he's going to and
• 1:45:22
  that's. And that's where I came from
• 1:45:24
  too. You know, I wanted her to
• 1:45:26
  understand the best way she could is I would not be able to
• 1:45:30
  get that incident report if that case was open.
• 1:45:35
  You know, so it's. Like, I wanted her to understand
• 1:45:37
  that. And I actually was speaking with
• 1:45:39
  her today in my DMS Yeah. And I all I told her was, you
• 1:45:44
  know what? I this, this all started with me
• 1:45:47
  trying to help you, not in a way where I'm giving you money or
• 1:45:50
  giving you a place to stay 'cause that's not gonna happen.
• 1:45:53
  But I was trying to help you and make you understand that, yes,
• 1:45:56
  this is tragic, and yes, I understand it's traumatic for
• 1:45:59
  you, but these are the facts. And telling people on your life
• 1:46:03
  like, oh, they didn't solve this.
• 1:46:05
  This didn't happen like this. You know, that's just building,
• 1:46:09
  burying you a hole that you're not going to get out of.
• 1:46:12
  Yeah, the perpetrator. Is gone, you know, there's no
• 1:46:16
  more justice to be had other than what exactly on that night.
• 1:46:20
  And you know, she never did pick up her brother, correct?
• 1:46:25
  And you know. Did he get put in a?
• 1:46:27
  Mass grave or is he not yet? So every two years out in
• 1:46:32
  Albuquerque, what they do is they'll do a mass burial.
• 1:46:34
  So right now they're burying people from 2024.
• 1:46:38
  So it's usually every like February.
• 1:46:41
  The next time they'll do it is in February.
• 1:46:43
  So if he's still there and he's listed and he doesn't have an
• 1:46:47
  address, which he was homeless as well, he'll most likely be
• 1:46:52
  buried in that mass grave. Wow.
• 1:46:55
  Yeah, I know It's been. Damn.
• 1:46:58
  Close to 2. Years and I know that she hasn't
• 1:47:01
  done anything and I have. Complicated.
• 1:47:05
  Feelings about her, you know, and I, I.
• 1:47:08
  Like I feel. Like I, there's a lot of people
• 1:47:10
  that feel bad for her, but there's also a lot of people
• 1:47:13
  that have followed her since the beginning and they understand
• 1:47:17
  like what her upbringing was and they understand that she has the
• 1:47:22
  power to change it, You know, change what, how she, how she's
• 1:47:26
  perceiving life right now. And that's what I've always come
• 1:47:29
  across is like, I want you to perceive your life in a
• 1:47:32
  different way because right now she's perceiving it as, oh, I'm
• 1:47:36
  going to be a millionaire because I have all these
• 1:47:38
  followers. But you can be a millionaire and
• 1:47:40
  have all these followers. If you're not putting in the
• 1:47:42
  work, if you're going live and ranting and raving and not
• 1:47:45
  talking to your audience, that's not going to put you in any
• 1:47:48
  better position than you are right now, yeah.
• 1:47:51
  And unfortunately. A good portion of her audience
• 1:47:54
  are just hate watchers, you know, people that have no
• 1:47:58
  interest in anything other than just kind of seeing her
• 1:48:01
  downfall. And you know, it sucks that
• 1:48:02
  people are like that, but at the same time, she's not really
• 1:48:05
  doing anything to help her situation.
• 1:48:07
  Exactly. And.
• 1:48:08
  You know. I.
• 1:48:10
  Feel empathy for. People who?
• 1:48:14
  Don't always help their. Situation.
• 1:48:16
  You know what I mean? I'm not saying she needs to
• 1:48:19
  automatically be cut off because I I think people who even act
• 1:48:23
  like her still should be able to eat and provide for themselves
• 1:48:28
  in some ways. Yeah, but it's just.
• 1:48:31
  So. Crazy seeing her just sit in
• 1:48:34
  these shelters and I Is she still?
• 1:48:35
  Do you know if she's still in the religious shelter?
• 1:48:38
  No. So she got kicked out of three
• 1:48:40
  shelters and actually somebody came to me and they're like,
• 1:48:43
  hey, does this make sense? And it kind of does the last two
• 1:48:46
  times she went live was concerning because she seemed
• 1:48:50
  like she was drunk, like she seemed like she was there was
• 1:48:53
  something some off then normal stream.
• 1:48:56
  And so they said, what do you think?
• 1:48:58
  She may be in like a like a sober living facility?
• 1:49:02
  Because that could have been why she was getting kicked out of
• 1:49:05
  shelters to begin with. But she was kicked out of three.
• 1:49:09
  And so right now she seems to be at a privately owned shelter
• 1:49:13
  like of, of a funded like a nonprofit type shelter at this
• 1:49:18
  point, because the she, all the shelters she was kicked out of
• 1:49:21
  were through the city, even the ones at the churches and things
• 1:49:25
  like that, they were through the city.
• 1:49:27
  So I don't. Know I don't.
• 1:49:30
  Know where she's going to go from here, but honestly like.
• 1:49:34
  I I. Wish that she would just kind of
• 1:49:36
  take it offline and be, you know, help herself out a little
• 1:49:39
  bit because I think that's what she, she needs you.
• 1:49:43
  Might. Just.
• 1:49:44
  Explain real. Very quickly.
• 1:49:47
  We don't need the breakdown very quick, Tofia.
• 1:49:51
  Tofia is somebody that people would call a lol cow.
• 1:49:56
  She lives in Albuquerque, NM. She's always been online and
• 1:50:01
  kind of live streamed and said a bunch of stupid stuff.
• 1:50:04
  Her father's a whole different rabbit hole to even go down, but
• 1:50:08
  unfortunately her brother was his.
• 1:50:11
  Life was taken. In a carjacking and she blames
• 1:50:15
  the Internet for it even though it seems to be a random person.
• 1:50:18
  And she just constantly goes online and she scams and grips,
• 1:50:21
  refuse to get, refuses to get a job and acts like a fool in
• 1:50:25
  general. So it's kind of complicated.
• 1:50:27
  I would just Google Tofi Achu and you'll find 1000 video
• 1:50:30
  essays on her and I know nothing.
• 1:50:33
  About her, except for what Laura randomly shows me every once in
• 1:50:36
  a while. It was so weird.
• 1:50:38
  Whenever. Again, despite his PDF
• 1:50:41
  allegations, her her brother brother Chew is everyone calls
• 1:50:45
  him but Donald whenever he passed.
• 1:50:49
  Oh, this is horrible of me, but I had like I.
• 1:50:53
  Took like. Had like a photo of her and of
• 1:50:56
  Donald and of her mom and of her dad.
• 1:51:00
  And I was trying to explain to somebody in my personal life,
• 1:51:03
  these people are so I was like this person and this person had
• 1:51:07
  these two kids and you get photos.
• 1:51:09
  They're like, what are you talking?
• 1:51:10
  They're like, hold on. What is this?
• 1:51:13
  Why? I know that he's in and out of
• 1:51:15
  jail, but I'm very. Hear what?
• 1:51:19
  Mr. Ozark. National Bank himself too, the.
• 1:51:25
  Dad is a. The dad is a deep dive on his
• 1:51:28
  own. You don't even know I'll.
• 1:51:29
  Have to that they lived in Albuquerque.
• 1:51:32
  You. Do Albuquerque and.
• 1:51:36
  Ozark are completely different places, so.
• 1:51:41
  The quickest. The quickest.
• 1:51:43
  Explanation for this? Is her father is clearly very
• 1:51:47
  mentally ill and he also abuses drugs OK and.
• 1:51:51
  He. Had this bank, Ozark National
• 1:51:56
  Bank, and everyone owed him 999 zillion, 999 trillion, 999, you
• 1:52:04
  know. What I'm talking?
• 1:52:05
  About yes, yes, I'll show you the video later.
• 1:52:08
  Oh no. I will.
• 1:52:10
  You'll find it really funny. As for yeah.
• 1:52:13
  Yeah, and her dad, who we don't even know is her dad, but he is.
• 1:52:17
  He's in and out, literally. I can probably pull up the
• 1:52:21
  record and it's probably as long as like Acvs receipt.
• 1:52:28
  Right, it's. It's long and the reason why?
• 1:52:31
  They even got it kicked out of their initial apartment is
• 1:52:34
  because he just stopped paying rent and I don't know if it was
• 1:52:37
  because he was taking the money. Yeah, he was taking the money
• 1:52:40
  from Sophia and from like her brother and everything and Yep.
• 1:52:45
  So no, not. Sonic.
• 1:52:48
  I know, I know. That's.
• 1:52:49
  A whole another thing I. Know, but it's still a.
• 1:52:51
  Lot of unwanted information. I already told her about all.
• 1:52:54
  That I'm pretty sure there's a documentary being made, The guy
• 1:52:58
  Mike Klum that just made the EDP 445 documentary, I don't know if
• 1:53:02
  you saw that. Oh no, I girl.
• 1:53:06
  No, I. Haven't seen.
• 1:53:08
  Any of that I would just look up.
• 1:53:10
  EDP 445 and you'll find it. But anyway, that's besides the
• 1:53:13
  point. He did a documentary on Boogie
• 1:53:16
  2988. Do you know who that is?
• 1:53:18
  No, no. Bless you, bless put me into all
• 1:53:24
  of this other stuff. And I personally, I know Sophia
• 1:53:29
  Chu on the side. I know that all against my will
• 1:53:32
  just because of where I live. And it's in my algorithm.
• 1:53:36
  So like, I, I never actually went looking for her.
• 1:53:40
  But when all this stuff happened with her brother, I, I deep
• 1:53:44
  dived so hard. Like I was into like the
• 1:53:47
  everything. Yeah.
• 1:53:49
  So I, I don't know about all the little side characters because I
• 1:53:54
  know there's a lot of like, yeah, everything is like it's,
• 1:53:58
  but it connects X in a certain way because some people are just
• 1:54:02
  as problematic, you know, so. There's a there's these two
• 1:54:07
  people that I don't know if I'm exposing myself by even bringing
• 1:54:10
  these people up, but it's fine. They're cool.
• 1:54:13
  Smokey MCC and Kiwi tapes. They do a live stream every
• 1:54:19
  Wednesday called Too High for Stupid and I don't listen to it
• 1:54:21
  as much as sorry. I don't listen to it as much
• 1:54:25
  anymore because it's a lot more popular than it used to be and
• 1:54:27
  there's a lot more people in the chats all the time.
• 1:54:30
  But anyway, I've heard them bring you up a few times because
• 1:54:33
  they just talk about they talk about like all these little
• 1:54:37
  cows, which there's ethics involved in that and not even
• 1:54:39
  want to get into that. That's besides the point.
• 1:54:41
  Well, I'm, you know, they're. Insane.
• 1:54:43
  I am in the. Reddit for Sofia 2 and I went
• 1:54:47
  somebody told me you check out the Reddit.
• 1:54:49
  So I went in there because I'm not on Reddit, I don't do
• 1:54:51
  Reddit. After I got in a fight with
• 1:54:53
  somebody about Gypsy, I was like no, I'm not doing this.
• 1:54:56
  I was like so I went in there and they were need to leave
• 1:55:00
  this. Stream because I have no idea
• 1:55:02
  what the hell y'all are talking about, sorry.
• 1:55:04
  Well, they were, literally. Just they were literally just
• 1:55:07
  like bad mouthing me and the Reddit.
• 1:55:09
  It was really, yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, what?
• 1:55:14
  But yeah, it is what it is. A lot of the a lot of her fans
• 1:55:17
  think that I'm, you know, the mutant alien from another
• 1:55:21
  planet. She does have fans really I
• 1:55:24
  only. Hear people captured crap.
• 1:55:27
  Oh my God. A.
• 1:55:28
  Few, yes. I see too.
• 1:55:30
  Many people bringing up Liquid Chris in the chat and.
• 1:55:35
  Do you know what they're? Talking about you don't know,
• 1:55:38
  Chris Chan Goth, mom goth. Mom.
• 1:55:40
  Yeah, it's about Chris. Chan because there's like, I
• 1:55:44
  don't remember what there's like a video game.
• 1:55:46
  There's like solid something and liquid something.
• 1:55:49
  And anyway, liquid Chris is like this guy, right?
• 1:55:53
  Now this guy who like persuaded. To be Chris Chan, but he wasn't
• 1:55:56
  actually Chris Chan. And it was a whole, it was a
• 1:55:59
  whole thing. Don't even get me into like
• 1:56:01
  years worth. Oh.
• 1:56:03
  Don't even get me into a year's. Worth of stuff, sorry about
• 1:56:05
  that, but Oh my goodness, this whole locale thing could just
• 1:56:09
  take over my brain. It's insane.
• 1:56:11
  Oh, the ethics of it are so crisscrossed, and that's part of
• 1:56:14
  the reason. I stepped back from Sophia just
• 1:56:17
  like Gypsy because it would make my brain turn to jello when?
• 1:56:22
  I first saw Chris. Chan, I was thinking of Chris.
• 1:56:27
  The dude that you're always yelling.
• 1:56:29
  About Chris Hansen Chris Hansen. Yeah, he was involved.
• 1:56:33
  In the EDP thing I was talking about he can go suck a fat 1 is
• 1:56:38
  all I can say. He sucks.
• 1:56:39
  He is like the worst and I hate that people think that he's a
• 1:56:42
  great guy just because he's caught predators.
• 1:56:45
  He's not a good guy. I'm in the middle of a deep dive
• 1:56:47
  on that one. But you better produce it, girl.
• 1:56:50
  So much. Here's the thing.
• 1:56:51
  I feel so bad because like we have these.
• 1:56:54
  Like abstract. Thoughts and opinions, you know
• 1:56:56
  what I mean? And when I try to like bring
• 1:56:58
  them all together, it's kind of difficult.
• 1:57:00
  It's like, I also don't want to like not get the full story of
• 1:57:04
  something because sometimes we listen to podcasts, let's say,
• 1:57:07
  just for everyone's sake, Gypsy Rose.
• 1:57:10
  If we listen to a podcast about Gypsy Rose, you can point out,
• 1:57:12
  oh, this thing's wrong and this thing's wrong.
• 1:57:15
  And it's like, I would just hate for somebody to listen to
• 1:57:17
  something that I produce about anybody else and be like, oh,
• 1:57:20
  picking it apart and this thing's wrong and this thing's
• 1:57:22
  wrong. So it's so much information.
• 1:57:24
  You have to get so much information.
• 1:57:26
  You're never going to get everything.
• 1:57:27
  Right. Yeah, you're never.
• 1:57:29
  And I think I think that YouTube kind of gives you the
• 1:57:31
  opportunity to be like, OK, this is my knowledge, this is my
• 1:57:35
  opinion. Do what you will with that, you
• 1:57:37
  know, because that's what I like to do is I like to give my
• 1:57:39
  opinion and, and give like I like to be able to talk with
• 1:57:44
  people. Like I'm talking like to a
• 1:57:46
  friend or, you know, you're gossiping with your girlfriend
• 1:57:49
  and you're just sitting at a table and you're like, Oh my
• 1:57:51
  God, did you see that new Tofia video?
• 1:57:52
  You know, that's like, that's like what I want my content to
• 1:57:56
  be because so a lot of the stuff I talk about, even with true
• 1:57:59
  crime are is stuff that I would talk about with friends or would
• 1:58:03
  be like, oh, did you see that documentary or did you see that
• 1:58:06
  movie or you know, stuff like that?
• 1:58:08
  So I enjoy it. But if you guys want to learn
• 1:58:10
  about Tofia and my saga with Tofia, I have it all on my page.
• 1:58:15
  I have the Tofia Chronicles on my page.
• 1:58:17
  You guys could go check it out. Please do.
• 1:58:19
  Go interesting go check her out. Thank thank you Ash for actually
• 1:58:24
  segueing into that. What what other niche topics do
• 1:58:28
  you talk about? You don't have to describe I
• 1:58:30
  mean go into detail, but just list off a few of the other
• 1:58:34
  topics you talk about. So just like.
• 1:58:36
  Gossip. We talk about the resilient
• 1:58:38
  Jenkins a lot too. That's a big one.
• 1:58:42
  There's a family of seven that's been homeless for over a year
• 1:58:45
  because they refused to work clips.
• 1:58:48
  Of stuff like that. It's very concerning.
• 1:58:50
  Because they have a lot of children and it's just like,
• 1:58:52
  come on. Also, I do movies, I do movie
• 1:58:56
  reviews. I love watching movies.
• 1:58:58
  That's one thing that I, I, I'm trying to incorporate more into
• 1:59:02
  my channels is movies. And we talked to crime, you
• 1:59:06
  know, trials. I know there's a lot of stuff
• 1:59:09
  coming up with like Anna Kepner and the whole David Burke thing
• 1:59:14
  going on. A lot of people are so into that
• 1:59:17
  right now that it's just like, there's so much coming up.
• 1:59:20
  And yeah, toxic virus said I Bunny and Jelly roll.
• 1:59:23
  That was, that's the one she came into my comments.
• 1:59:26
  So I had to start making videos. Yes, Yeah, she did.
• 1:59:31
  I made a. Video.
• 1:59:31
  About Wade Wilson so this would happen with Wade Wilson when she
• 1:59:35
  was trying to talk and so I, I made a video I gave my opinion
• 1:59:38
  about how I felt and the video is still sitting at only like
• 1:59:42
  4000 views and she was in my comments and she brought all her
• 1:59:46
  her cronies in to take my video down and to try to she they she
• 1:59:53
  ended up suppressing my channel for three months so I was
• 1:59:56
  getting like 50 views and I'm like this is wonderful but.
• 2:00:01
  Yeah, that that was a big thing. And I've talked to people that
• 2:00:04
  actually have been victimized. By.
• 2:00:07
  Her personally and then I've talked to stuff people that also
• 2:00:11
  with like Jelly Roll, they've been to his concerts or they've
• 2:00:14
  known him before he was bigger and he's harassed them and stuff
• 2:00:18
  like that. So that's another thing that
• 2:00:21
  I've I've kind of gone over. But other than that, just like
• 2:00:25
  Gypsy, main one has always been Gypsy can all of that that
• 2:00:31
  nonsense that's happened. Yeah.
• 2:00:33
  I mean Jelly roll. Fans know the going rate of
• 2:00:36
  copper, so yeah, exactly. I, I love all the, all the
• 2:00:41
  things that people put in like, you know, those are the people
• 2:00:44
  that listen to Jelly Roll are XY and Z and I'm like, that is
• 2:00:48
  wonderful. I love it 'cause if she likes.
• 2:00:50
  Jelly Roll. Which I I like his songs.
• 2:00:54
  I don't know that I like the person.
• 2:00:57
  I do have to say. Though I.
• 2:00:59
  Have disliked Nicole Arbour since Dear Fat People, I can't
• 2:01:02
  be convinced otherwise, but I don't think that means
• 2:01:05
  everything is untrue as far as Jelly Roll and Bunny.
• 2:01:09
  Yeah, so other shady behaviour with Nicole I.
• 2:01:12
  Didn't know who she was. I'm going to be honest, didn't
• 2:01:14
  know who she was. I saw her video come across my
• 2:01:16
  page and she messaged me and as a person, as a person, as far as
• 2:01:22
  like I've talked to, she's a wonderful person.
• 2:01:25
  Like she has a lot of knowledge. She has a lot of talent.
• 2:01:29
  I don't think she's utilizing it in the proper way sometimes,
• 2:01:32
  especially with a lot of her, her comedy stuff.
• 2:01:37
  But I, I've got to know her as a person and I can tell you that
• 2:01:41
  she's, she's far from what a lot of people think about her.
• 2:01:44
  And you know, I, I've, I've helped her with like these
• 2:01:48
  victims of people that have like hoarded us over the past few
• 2:01:52
  months of with DMS and stuff. And it's been something that I
• 2:01:56
  think she's been working a lot on because it's affected her
• 2:01:59
  life. And is this.
• 2:02:03
  A celebrity or just somebody who accused Matthew?
• 2:02:06
  Santoro or no no, no, that's the one that Matthew Santoro accused
• 2:02:10
  of being abusive towards him so and fun and.
• 2:02:13
  Fun fact about Matthew Santoro, if you go back and watch his
• 2:02:16
  videos about accusations, he never named anybody, so
• 2:02:20
  everybody kind of just assumed it was Nicole.
• 2:02:24
  So that. That's kind of her telling to
• 2:02:27
  me. So I don't know about that
• 2:02:28
  situation fully. I've Googled it, I've looked at
• 2:02:31
  it, but as far as what I can find, nobody was ever named.
• 2:02:35
  There's a lot of things in that case that people take it to
• 2:02:38
  another level because they want to believe that that's the
• 2:02:41
  person. But I've I found that in a lot
• 2:02:44
  of her stuff, and I think she agreed to do a lot of that stuff
• 2:02:47
  when she signed on to YouTube because there was a lot of fake
• 2:02:51
  relationships and things like that.
• 2:02:55
  So I. Don't know I.
• 2:02:56
  Don't know the. Truth.
• 2:02:57
  That's just what I know as far as what I've asked her.
• 2:02:59
  Cuz I've every time something comes up, I ask her like hey
• 2:03:03
  this came up what do you have to say?
• 2:03:05
  You know, like it's just cracking me up.
• 2:03:09
  Yeah, I'm just not. Gonna not gonna just take it as
• 2:03:12
  your word, yeah. Sorry, Cherokee girls.
• 2:03:15
  Just cracking me up. She's like, don't ask me how I
• 2:03:17
  know all this stuff. I.
• 2:03:20
  You see? For the last at least decade,
• 2:03:23
  I've listened to a lot of like YouTube video essays.
• 2:03:28
  I've just watched a lot of YouTube and stuff like that.
• 2:03:30
  And unfortunately for the past like maybe 8 years, I've smoked
• 2:03:36
  a lot of pot. And so a lot of that is like
• 2:03:39
  kind of just, I remember like I'm right there with you.
• 2:03:42
  People and I'm like, I don't. Like that person or I don't like
• 2:03:45
  that person. But why don't I like that
• 2:03:48
  person? Why?
• 2:03:49
  Like somebody told you not to like them, but.
• 2:03:52
  You know there's. Sometimes where that's a valid
• 2:03:54
  thing, and then there's other times where I have to go back
• 2:03:56
  and I have to reassess and I have to rewatch stuff and
• 2:03:59
  relearning stuff is really interesting.
• 2:04:01
  But Oh my goodness. Yeah, but.
• 2:04:05
  I'm right there with you. I I don't, there's a lot of
• 2:04:08
  things like I'll even forget, like, oh crap, I have to write
• 2:04:10
  everything down. If I don't write everything
• 2:04:12
  down, I'm like going to forget about it.
• 2:04:14
  So especially when it has to do with content creating and
• 2:04:18
  remembering cases and stuff, even when people message me, I'm
• 2:04:21
  like, if you message me one time, I don't answer, message me
• 2:04:24
  again because I'll go back to it and I'll message you.
• 2:04:27
  Trust me. It just sometimes it takes a
• 2:04:29
  little bit. Yeah.
• 2:04:31
  I. Have forgotten more things than
• 2:04:32
  half these people have even even heard OK so it's like I.
• 2:04:36
  Don't even mean kidding, It's. Like.
• 2:04:38
  There's just this big cloud, and it's really funny because
• 2:04:41
  there's like maybe four people in my life who will just
• 2:04:45
  randomly ask me questions about things.
• 2:04:47
  And I don't know shit about anything most of the time.
• 2:04:51
  But these few things they ask me about, I'll be able to go on
• 2:04:53
  like a tangent because I have the most random niche knowledge
• 2:04:57
  and then nothing that's of value.
• 2:05:00
  Wow. Yeah.
• 2:05:01
  Yeah, sounds like me. Sometimes I'm like, I have to go
• 2:05:04
  back and look at it. I get it.
• 2:05:07
  Shelby. So I'm not sure how I feel about
• 2:05:14
  it. I mean, it's just like any other
• 2:05:16
  person who's incarcerated and getting their phone calls
• 2:05:21
  released, just kind of like I feel bad for them.
• 2:05:24
  I would rather not them all come out.
• 2:05:29
  I would hope that whatever is going to come out is going to be
• 2:05:33
  selective. I personally.
• 2:05:36
  This is kind of in the same realm, but the fact that they're
• 2:05:38
  trying to get Rachel Garlic's calls kind of pisses me off a
• 2:05:42
  little bit. It's weird because.
• 2:05:43
  Yeah. She my opinion.
• 2:05:45
  She might know some. Things about all this.
• 2:05:48
  But she's not on social media like that.
• 2:05:51
  She's just kind of living her own life.
• 2:05:53
  That's our dog. That is our dog.
• 2:05:55
  Anyway. All I was trying to say is she's
• 2:05:57
  living her own life. And I think it's weird that
• 2:06:00
  people want to just kind of like disrupt that because people
• 2:06:03
  sometimes say, oh, well, if Gypsy just got off social media,
• 2:06:05
  we'd stop harassing her. Well, she has people that are no
• 2:06:08
  longer her friends that are no longer, I mean, they're on,
• 2:06:11
  she's on social media, but not in the way that we're on social
• 2:06:14
  media. So like not talking about.
• 2:06:16
  Gypsy and doing all that, Yeah, like who cares?
• 2:06:19
  Who cares? At that point, yeah, but at the.
• 2:06:21
  Same time investigating is investigating.
• 2:06:24
  So if you're going to go down that road, then you go down that
• 2:06:27
  road. So I think I'm just.
• 2:06:29
  Not the person to do it. Honestly, I.
• 2:06:32
  And I feel, I feel a lot like, like, if you're going to do it,
• 2:06:37
  don't release everything. Like maybe go through some and
• 2:06:42
  what's relevant is relevant. That's one thing I agreed with
• 2:06:46
  Ryan on is like not with Gypsy because Gypsy doesn't deserve
• 2:06:50
  that privacy. And I mean she continues to not.
• 2:06:53
  But like with Nick, for instance, like I said, I think
• 2:06:57
  the ones with Don would be very informative or even him saying
• 2:07:01
  something from. I don't think he's ever really
• 2:07:04
  opened up about the crime as much as Gypsy has.
• 2:07:06
  But I think that if we to leave out all of his personal
• 2:07:11
  relationships would be the best thing to do, you know, because
• 2:07:15
  he's still a person. He's still, he's still living
• 2:07:17
  his life even though he's in prison, you know?
• 2:07:21
  Yeah. I just, I mean, but it's like
• 2:07:24
  any other inmate as well. So it's like a catch 22, like
• 2:07:28
  you have a right, But what? Does it really add?
• 2:07:31
  I don't know. I guess we'll see, yeah.
• 2:07:34
  Nobody really knows what Nick sinks.
• 2:07:38
  There could be something. Explosive.
• 2:07:40
  I mean it's possible. I just definitely, but I.
• 2:07:43
  Don't know what's even going. To happen with Gypsy.
• 2:07:46
  Nothing, nothing, nothing. We.
• 2:07:48
  Yeah, nothing. I've heard.
• 2:07:50
  Enough. I've heard enough to make me
• 2:07:52
  fall for my opinions. The reason and the reason.
• 2:07:55
  Why I released, What I released was for transparency and
• 2:08:00
  historical preservation. And you know, if it's available,
• 2:08:06
  available to be gotten, you know, it's something that should
• 2:08:09
  probably be gotten. So I have to really evaluate
• 2:08:13
  that and genuinely pray about that with Nick's stuff because
• 2:08:18
  like I said, Mandy's going to be getting them.
• 2:08:20
  And so I'm sure she's going to send them to me and I will
• 2:08:24
  accept them, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do with them
• 2:08:28
  yet so. And then listening.
• 2:08:32
  To all that. Holy crap, yeah.
• 2:08:34
  And then I guess you have to. Figure it out, you know, figure
• 2:08:37
  out what you're going to put out and if you even want to be the
• 2:08:40
  person to do that, you know? And I mean, if it is something
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  that's going to benefit at least people seeing it for what it is,
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  you know, because that's what our goal has always been with
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  doing this. Yeah.
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  Truth and transparency. And so if, if there's anything
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  to be gained from, you know, learning about the crime, that's
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  one thing. But his personal everyday life,
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  I don't want nothing to do with it.
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  Yeah, exactly. Joy says.
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  They won't investigate her, nothing will be done.
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  I agree, Missouri. Has already made their.
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  Position very crystal clear and done the statue of limitations
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  too. She'll probably re offend.
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  Eventually it's just going to make.
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  It's just going to, you know, take the right circumstances.
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  I hope she doesn't offend, and I hope her daughter is nowhere
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  near whenever she does offend in whatever way she does.
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  But that's just my opinion. That's what I think.
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  Yeah. I I.
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  Feel that way too. Yeah, OK.
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  Ash, we're going to call it a night.
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  Thank you so much for being on here.
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  Sorry some of the calls were extremely boring but.
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  I I wanted the opportunity. To talk with you guys.
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  I know I've, we've been planning this for a minute and I was
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  like, you know what, I'm finally ready.
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  I'm trying to kind of get my sophomore out there.
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  I'm going to start doing interviews on my own channel as
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  well and talk about things and cases and stuff that maybe I
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  don't have all the knowledge. I want to get all that, you
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  know, people's opinions and what knowledge they have.
• 2:10:08
  Mm hmm. Well, I'm glad to.
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  See you and I'm glad that you decided to come on our show to
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  dip your toes in the water of course of.
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  Course Well, thank you guys. I appreciate it if you have a
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  good name. Chat go and follow me.
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  Yes TikTok. I'm on here on YouTube too Ash
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  too trippy, so check me out yes thank you.
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  Ash, thank you. Thank you.
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  Have a good day. Bye, bye.
• 2:10:31
  You too. OK, guys.
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  So we're going to call that a night.
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  And I'm sorry that I wasn't more prepared.
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  I mean I prepared 3 videos but they obviously were done really,
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  not just. Because you did it.
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  I just mean, like, most of the calls are boring, and then the
• 2:10:47
  ones that aren't, it's like bits and pieces.
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  And I don't want to listen to the ones that aren't boring.
• 2:10:52
  Yeah, I've intentionally avoided them.
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  Thank you. Jesus.
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  I know, right? I don't have the mental sanity.
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  For that and it yeah, and I've. Just been listening to so much
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  of it that I can't gauge anymore what's boring and what's not.
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  So yeah, that's definitely anything.
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  So we thank everybody for being here and we thank Ash for being
• 2:11:15
  here. And I hope that everybody goes
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  out and does something good to change the world for the better
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• 2:11:23
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