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Episode 106- A Special look back at AEW Jazwares with Kyle Peterson! · The Major Wrestling Figure Podcast

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  Speaker 4: What's going on? Everyone? Welcome to a special edition of
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  Speaker 4: the Major Rewind. Have a special guest today. We're gonna
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  Speaker 4: do something a little bit different than we normally do
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  Speaker 4: on the Rewind. We're gonna be taking a retrospective look
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  Speaker 4: a rewind if you will at the AW Figure line,
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  Speaker 4: and we have with us an esteemed guys. Thank you
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  Speaker 4: so much for having us here, or well, I thank
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  Speaker 4: you for being on here. I'm having you Kyle Peterson.
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  Speaker 4: How's it going? But hey Herekyle, I want to take
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  Speaker 4: you back real quick. Before we were going to talk
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  Speaker 4: about AW and the Jazz Wars on uh. The year
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  Speaker 4: I believe is two thousand and four. I was working
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  Speaker 4: a summer job. It was my first job. I was
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  Speaker 4: working at my dad's school, getting the school ready for
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  Speaker 4: the year. And I remember I got my first paycheck
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  Speaker 4: and I took that immediately. As soon as I got
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  Speaker 4: that paycheck, I took that and I went on Ringside
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  Speaker 4: Collectibles dot Com and I got the first two series
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  Speaker 4: that had just come out of the toy Biz TNA
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  Speaker 4: figure line. It was huge. I mean, you were not
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  Speaker 4: only was it the first uh you know, NONWW figures
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  Speaker 4: since closed, but you know, you were getting guys that
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  Speaker 4: were you never thought you figures out AJ Styles, Christopher
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  Speaker 4: Daniels and so on. And you know, for me as
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  Speaker 4: a young collector at the time, that was huge. That
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  Speaker 4: was a big deal. Forward twenty twenty, aw's popping off.
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  Speaker 4: It's their first first full year, and then the jazzword
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  Speaker 4: line gets announced. From your perspective, now, obviously now at
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  Speaker 4: this point, I'm already in the wrestling game a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: My friends are in AAW, so I'm a little bit removed.
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  Speaker 4: I don't collect as many current guys, but I do
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  Speaker 4: see what's going on. Here from your perspective when AW
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  Speaker 4: first announced their line, Like, what is the reaction? What
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  Speaker 4: were your thought? Is some of the feedback that you heard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny to test in my memory a little
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  Speaker 1: bit here, but that was a really good analogy you
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  Speaker 1: just put out there. And I never thought of it
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  Speaker 1: that way. But the toy biz TNA, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was very similar to what we got with AW. It's
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  Speaker 1: a second promotion, it's competition. I never really thought of
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  Speaker 1: it that way until you just said that, But you're
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  Speaker 1: spot on. But I'll never forget when they first were announced.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I was very excited. It's funny it coincides
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  Speaker 1: with me even starting my YouTube channel with AW figure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember some of the first figure hunts
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  Speaker 1: I did on my channel were when they had that
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  Speaker 1: series one palettes out at the Walmart stores. That was
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  Speaker 1: a big, big deal. People were trying to track those
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  Speaker 1: figures down, and I remember there being a lot of
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  Speaker 1: hooplaw because I think Brandy wasn't at retail if I
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  Speaker 1: remember correctly, so a lot of people worked up about that.
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  Speaker 1: And then I don't think anybody could find the Chase
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  Speaker 1: rare figures at the beginning either, and there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hooplaw about that. So there was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of controversy from the get go with this line, But
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  Speaker 1: much like the toy biz TNA stuff, it was another
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  Speaker 1: competitor something else. And honestly, these fit in pretty well
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  Speaker 1: with Mattel. I mean they're not quite Mattel figures, but
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  Speaker 1: they fit in right in there, and that was a
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  Speaker 1: huge deal for a lot of collectors along the way too, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the scale and everything matched up, and
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  Speaker 4: I kind of that was one of the first things
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  Speaker 4: too that I kind of jumped at me about when
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  Speaker 4: this line came out. As you mentioned, there was was
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  Speaker 4: it just cotribution problems? There was, I remember there was
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  Speaker 4: a lot of controversy. People couldn't find the figures anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: What was going on during that at that initial release?
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  Speaker 4: That was that made the figure so hard to find?
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  Speaker 1: It was an interesting and you know Jeremy and if
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  Speaker 1: we followed Jeremy of course one of the shows over there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a big time into plutability of things,
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  Speaker 1: and he's always been that way with plastic superstars before
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  Speaker 1: and his time with Jacks. But it was an interesting
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  Speaker 1: distribution model from the get go with the Jazzwars figures
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  Speaker 1: because you know, Ringside had them, Walmart had them, and
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  Speaker 1: Target had them. But it was interesting Amazon never had them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the big bad toy stores of the world,
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  Speaker 1: the entertainment earths of the world and all points in
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  Speaker 1: between did not carry these figures. So there was some
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  Speaker 1: kind of exclusivity deal on some of that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if that was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of maybe other stores not willing to take the line over.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't think that's the case, but
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  Speaker 1: it was very confusing and anytime there's something new, brand new,
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  Speaker 1: and I think most collectors in the wrestling space, for sure,
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  Speaker 1: this was the first time they'd ever heard of the
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  Speaker 1: company Jazzuars. I don't think anybody knew. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: Mattel and Hasbro, which everybody pretty much knows. It was
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  Speaker 1: very interesting, a new player to a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: even though they were and still are a huge toy company,
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  Speaker 1: that was fresh to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it kind of they were kind of like
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  Speaker 4: right around that time. I think Squish Mollows was really
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  Speaker 4: blowing up at the time. My girlfriend at the time
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  Speaker 4: was like huge into them and I knew people were
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  Speaker 4: going crazy for this, which that is a Jazzar's product.
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  Speaker 4: So I mean it seems like they had kind of
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  Speaker 4: some sort of leeway in that respect because they were
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  Speaker 4: kind of blowing up with that. And then you know,
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  Speaker 4: they there was also the issue, if I recall it right,
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  Speaker 4: the first line, you had Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega, the
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  Speaker 4: Young Bucks. I think you said Brandy was in that
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  Speaker 4: first Jericho, So I mean, you have the heavy hitters
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  Speaker 4: right off the bat, but then there was an issue.
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember the issue with the skin tones.
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  Speaker 1: Skin tone? Yep, that was a huge, huge miss from
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  Speaker 1: the get go. I mean Cody Rhodes was almost translucent.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, I was. I was just looking back
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  Speaker 4: at some of them. They were like very pale pasty,
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  Speaker 4: But you know, at the same token, I think it's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's probably some of the growing pains that
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  Speaker 4: you kind of have to, you know, get through to
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  Speaker 4: when you start a you know.
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy said he made a post or something around that
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  Speaker 1: time too that they were going to correct it, which
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  Speaker 1: they did, and I believe they were corrected as ringside exclusives.
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  Speaker 1: They corrected the skin tone down the road, But it
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  Speaker 1: kind of came up to the factory messing up, just
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  Speaker 1: like you know, no different than a collect Major with
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  Speaker 1: was it Major Stars Series one? The factory screwed it
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  Speaker 1: up and instead of holding it. I mean, they probably
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  Speaker 1: had a lot more Jazz Where's Aw figures made than
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  Speaker 1: Major Stars. So if you're going to put these palettes
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  Speaker 1: at all these walmarts and stuff, and I think it would
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  Speaker 1: have killed the line immediately if they would have canceled them.
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  Speaker 1: So they had to let it go.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think and in hindsight that maybe do you
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  Speaker 4: think the line was there was there a rush to
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  Speaker 4: get them out? Do you think or do you think that?
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  Speaker 4: I mean obviously also what was going on in the
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  Speaker 4: world at that time, but do you think that was
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  Speaker 4: a factor. Do you think they were trying to get
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  Speaker 4: it rushed out there?
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  Speaker 1: I do think jazzwhear As as a whole, throughout the entire
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  Speaker 1: length of the line did rush things a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously certain points where maybe there was
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  Speaker 1: delays and stuff. I think that's different reasons. But I
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  Speaker 1: think they also wanted to be closer to market than WWE.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: You know, we know WWE elite figures take roughly a year.
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  Speaker 1: I think they were trying to close the gap to
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  Speaker 1: like seven to eight months if they could. I think
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: they did that a few times, not every time, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but I do think they wanted to rush it out there.
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  Speaker 1: And it really just comes down to business at Walmart
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  Speaker 1: with they call them comacs at Walmart. I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: me getting into my retail day job conversation. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they get time for planograms, they get you know, you
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  Speaker 1: know those PRDs, the displays that those came on your
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  Speaker 1: earmarked for a certain timeframe on those. So they had to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if they didn't, they're they're out a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of money, probably millions of dollars buying that space. Plus
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  Speaker 1: they're out the figures. They had no choice at that matter,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was an error from the factory
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  Speaker 1: and slipped through the cracks and they said, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: got to roll with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's it's kind of interesting too, because, like like
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  Speaker 4: you said, Mattel, with the leads and everything, and that
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  Speaker 4: takes usually if someone debuts, you're not going to see
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  Speaker 4: that figure maybe for a year. AW starts in twenty nineteen, essentially, right,
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  Speaker 4: and these figures are out in twenty twenty, So that
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: is very like that's a quick turnaround. You know, we
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: were talking about the TNA toylets on that TNA had
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: already been around for two three years at that point,
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  Speaker 4: they had more time and it was kind of interesting too,
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: like you were mentioning about these companies taken arrest to
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: have these figures in line. I also just reminded me
• 12:04
  Speaker 4: of that. Do you remember that the Lucha Libre line
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: that came out as a Playmates? Was it Playmates? That was?
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  Speaker 4: It was like they were like toy Biz kind of
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: but I guess it was right after toy Biz, but
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  Speaker 4: it's just like weird. They just kind of like entered
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  Speaker 4: this market with very little credibility and very little star
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  Speaker 4: power and they were able to have space on the shelf.
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  Speaker 4: But to that point, a lot of those figures I
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  Speaker 4: remember seeing on the shelf for a while, which ended
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  Speaker 4: up being the case with a lot of the AW
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  Speaker 4: figures too. The other I know there's other issues kind
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  Speaker 4: of like with the line. But what was for you,
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  Speaker 4: like some of the things that you were looking forward
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  Speaker 4: to when when AW first gets announced, Like what was
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  Speaker 4: what were your hopes, what were your expectations with this
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  Speaker 4: with this pre so yeah, no.
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  Speaker 1: When Jeremy Padauer was involved with this, who was the
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  Speaker 1: spearhead at Jack's for many years, he also dabbled and
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  Speaker 1: he man once upon a time, but him doing the
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  Speaker 1: Classic Superstars and seeing and I'm sure you remember this
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  Speaker 1: as a kid, some of the things he would do
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  Speaker 1: with wrestling, like we'd have backstage play sets, we'd have
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  Speaker 1: hell in the cell, huge elimination chambers. So anything was
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  Speaker 1: really possible with Jeremy there to find a way. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get huge play sets. I mean they
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: were going to do like a full arena. At one time,
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  Speaker 1: they were talking around. They were talking about like Chuck
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: Taylor's mom's van. I mean they were really talking about
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  Speaker 1: all these things, talking a really amazing game, and I
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  Speaker 1: honestly believe that stuff was going to come to fruition
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  Speaker 1: because Jeremy's track record in the past, so there was
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  Speaker 1: really the sky was the limit. And the one thing
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  Speaker 1: about competition too, it makes everybody better. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it made Mattel say, hey, we got to step up
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  Speaker 1: our game too. And you know, the Mattel team is
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: deep in the weeds with this, which not every toy
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: company has people that are deep in the weeds that
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: are actually fans of the brand they work on. So
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  Speaker 1: Mattel usually raised the stakes anyways, but there's no denying
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  Speaker 1: I think you asked them. For everybody over there at Mattel,
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  Speaker 1: they'd say, Hey, we had to work harder because we
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  Speaker 1: knew I had competition at our heels. And I think
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: that was a big thing. And I think that's something
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  Speaker 1: they'll be missing here real soon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be kind of interesting. And I think
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  Speaker 4: another like interesting part of it, too, was for the
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  Speaker 4: first time and we didn't really I mean we saw
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  Speaker 4: it a little bit with the toy design, but for
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  Speaker 4: the first time we were seeing examples of not just
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: how did these figures stack up against each other, but
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: Cody Rhoads, right, Cody Rhodes has this, He's the first,
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  Speaker 4: I believe he's the first Supreme figure that they did,
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  Speaker 4: which is like their ultimate. Then Cody Rhads jumps to
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: WDV and they make an ultimate and then now you're
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  Speaker 4: like seeing hand in hand. You know, in a lot
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: of cases, a lot of people were saying, hey, these
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: supremes are are are better.
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  Speaker 1: They spreams are really really good, and it's funny. I
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  Speaker 1: think I was even in some of my figure hunts
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit of a window. There was mattel
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  Speaker 1: Cody on the pegs plus the Walmart Exclusive Supreme Cody
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, which that's an interesting thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's well, I mean, and it's not something we're
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, are we ever going to see
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  Speaker 4: that again? And you know you were mentioning like playsets
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  Speaker 4: and stuff I saw. I remember they did the I
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  Speaker 4: think this came out even recently, which is saying something
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  Speaker 4: because this was a long time ago. The Sammy Gravara,
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  Speaker 4: Matt Hardy golf right. Was there any other like misses?
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  Speaker 4: Not missus, but like you know, a play set or
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  Speaker 4: something you wish we could have seen from from.
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  Speaker 1: The most was the Hangman page and his horse. He
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that numerous times. That would have been an easy layup,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that would have been a smart move
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  Speaker 1: for them because they could have got that horse to
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  Speaker 1: sell with Marvel, Legend collectors and others. I think they
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  Speaker 1: could have got cross over there. So I think that
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  Speaker 1: was a bit of a miss. They did quite a
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  Speaker 1: few rings. I think they stayed pretty consistent with rings
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  Speaker 1: for the most part. But you get like Aubrey Edwards
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  Speaker 1: with a ring. You got Sting with the ring, we
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  Speaker 1: got Cody with the ring, we got Kenny Omega with
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  Speaker 1: a ring. So rings where I think, okay, But it
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  Speaker 1: would have been nice to get a little bit more,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more playset wise, to really stand out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the anarchy in the arena or whatever they
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  Speaker 1: call it. I think that could have been something really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Even if they could have mixed plastic and cardboard together
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  Speaker 1: to make an arena, I think that would have been
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  Speaker 1: something that would have had legs for fan bases of
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  Speaker 1: Mattel and Jazz wears. So there's some of that and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, just like I forget what their cage
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  Speaker 1: is called, their version of kind of the hell in
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  Speaker 1: the cell and their Wargames cage, but of guts there
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  Speaker 1: you go. I think that could have been something they
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  Speaker 1: could have really done to the market pretty good. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that kind of stuff is stuff if I
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  Speaker 1: was in their shoes and if I was working over there,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's easy to armchair quarterback. But that's something
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: that you could get, you know, Mattel fans and WW
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: fans to buy that kind of stuff. Maybe they don't
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: want to wrestlers. I'll have a cage. I'll have a
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: ring that's like a war games. They could have got
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: some extra sales out of things like that.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I you know, do you remember when it was like
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: kind of in the towards the death bed of Jack's
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: where they did these UH rings where each one was
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: like tailored to specific guys. Right, they had like a
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: mc foley one with the barbed wire, they had a.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Piper, there was a miss one everybody.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: They could have done something like that where it was
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: like maybe not a ring, but like a special box
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: set where maybe it was like two guys that would
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: have pieces of the of the anarchy and the arena thing, you.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Know, build an arena between like like six packs or
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the the one thing too. I do you feel
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: with where we are now with this line and as
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: far as what the roster UH is and what it
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: was that throughout the different points, do you think they
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: got deep enough in the roster? Were there any major
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: misses there that we didn't that we didn't see that
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: we should have seen.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: It's really because you look at this wrestling figure fan,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: you want everybody, I want the deepest cuts I want
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: everybody on the roster. I mean, that's what the majority
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: of the hardcore fans want. But the problem is what
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the hardcore fans want and what retail will support. It's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: such a miss between those, and I do think that
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: goes to a little bit of the downfall of the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: line in some ways, because unfortunately you had some Naya Ross.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: You have my girl Rio, I mean, she was a
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: great joke on my channel for like four years because
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it was in every single store in the ten States
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I travel and I would always say hello to Rio.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: It was like a long running joke. But unfortunately those
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: took You only have so much peg space, and when
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you got those, and unfortunately, like the Chuck Taylors of
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the world, I mean, there's been a few of them
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: that really hurt the line because it stopped distribution, it
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: just stopped ordering. We did get that stuff. And as
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: much as we want some of those deep cut guys,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: some of those guys that are deep in the Ring
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: of Honor roster that were on ram page back in
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the day, Like, I want all those guys, but I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: don't know if the average Joe wants that. They wanted
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the bucks they want Cody Rhodes and and you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and they gave us a lot of Cody Rhoads. They
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: gave us a lot of Bucks and Moxley's.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I do want to get a you know, sidebar real quick.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: That was one of my first things I started to
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: notice that was kind of I just kind of made
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: me go interesting choice because I felt like there was
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: a few in those early series where there was another Jericho,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: another Young Bucks, another Omega, and it was like a
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: lot of repeat guys. I mean, did you did you
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: feel the same way about that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: That big time? But it's like to me, I didn't
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: like it because it wanted to the birth. But at
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the same time, I think for retail, you sit there
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: with those Walmart buyers, target buyers, Hey I got I'm
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: picking on Chuck Taylor, but hey we got Chuck Taylor.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And that Walmart guy says, who's Chuck Taylor? But you
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: say Chris Jericho, you say John Moxley.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: So are they really like, I mean, you know, this
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: is probably more closer to your speech. So is that
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: are these actual conversations that are are being had by retail,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: like who's you know? Like do they know who ken
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: you make?
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Is and that's one of those things where, you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: until just recently Stone Cold in the Mattel lines, Stone
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Cold Steve Austin never had a mainline figure. It was
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: always a Legends or a Monday Night Wars or you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: whatever the exclusive series was. Because when you're trying to
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: sell your wares at the Bentonville or Minneapolis Target Walmart warehouses,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you're saying, hey, I got an exclusive hul Cogan figure
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: for you. Everybody knows hul Cogan, for good or bad.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows hal Cogan. Do they know, you know, seth Rollins.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not, And we all want to believe that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that buyer in that chair knows what the heck we're
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: talking about. But everybody knows haul Cogan. So that's what
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: you do to try to get, you know, stuff going.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And then Jeremy, I'm Jeremy's not the one going to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Target or whatever Walmart, but his salespeople are there. They're
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: trying to do everything they can to close the sale
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: out because it's so hard to get so expensive. They're
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: trying to bolster it, and they got to throw names
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: out there. And a guy like Jericho, as we know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is a massive name. They can use Jericho to get
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: things going. So it's a whole play. I mean I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: deal with it all the time. And I used to
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: sit in those meetings at Walmart and Bentonville and the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Target for other products, and it all comes down to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to the sizzle factor. What's going to be bring people
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in through the front doors, and it's going to be
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a hull Cogan over at Chuck Taylor.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, I you were mentioning the real thing.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Like for me, the one I saw a lot and
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: someone who's actually a friend of mine, Nila Rose, I
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: would always see her figure. Britt Baker would always have
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: a figure, so that you know, that will discourage, uh,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: you know, distributors to be like, well we still haven't
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: gotten rid of the stock, so you know. And then
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: right around that time, I mean, this is where for
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: someone like me who's been in the wrestling figure collecting
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: game for a long time, and I know the difference
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: between a basic and an elite. So we had unmatched
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: and then unrivaled yep, and then supreme. Do you think
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: that that they were to me? I don't know what
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the difference was between an unmatched and an unrivaled.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Same the packaging was the only difference. But it's a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: retail play, is all that is is to the perfect
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: example in this day and age is like McFarland Toys.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: There's the regular DC Multiverse, and then they got the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: kind of all plastic they're called page Punchers, and then
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: they got the DC Collector's Edition. Three different lines, all
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the same style, figures, all the same thing. But it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: a play to get more shelf space. You know, they're
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: gonna say to Jazzwar's or McFarland Toys, I'm not gonna
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: give you two or three pegs for this one line. Well,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: now I got three lines, and now I get my
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: own pegs across that. So it's all a play on
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that is what they were trying to do. And then
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Jeremy and the Sea of the Jazzbars team, their hope was,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: here's unrivaled. You know, in January it's on the pegs,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it sells out, and then here comes February unmatched. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: then you get something fresh, something old, something fresh, something old,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and try to stare step it a little bit and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: always have something fresh and always have some old stock
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: your saw at the same time.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Right, And then they I don't know how far deep
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: they got into this. They did try to much like
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously Jeremy's I don't know to what extent,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: but he's obviously at the helm of this. And we
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: you know, we saw the success he had with the
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Classic Superstars figure, and then we hear, okay, we're gonna
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: start doing some Legends figures luminaries, that's right, And they
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: didn't really I don't know how far off they really
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: got off of that. The only thing I really remember
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: was seeing the Lionheart Jerkle. There was another one that
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: was sitting on the pegs for a while. What did
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: what did did you think? Did you have any did
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you think that was gonna kind of have the same
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: success as the classic line or didn't.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't think it would have the same success because
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: they weren't doing it separately. It was just a figure
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: inside of it, the unmatched lines, and if I remember correctly,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: remember they started with their version as the l j
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: NS first, and then all right, they canceled it and
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: they replaced him with Luminaries, which I think made a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: lot of people happy. But we got Jericho, we got Sting,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: we got Rick Flair, and that might have been it
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: for the Luminaries, like we didn't get them every We
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: should have at least got one every set, and they
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: didn't do that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I think, I mean it kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: and then that's another thing gets muddy with the online
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: stuff with the Luminaries. Yeah, and it's you know, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: again we gotta go back with the TNA. TNA goes on,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: they lose the toy Bibs license. I don't really remember
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: what happened with that. They ended up getting picked up
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: by Jacks, which just conveniently lost WWE, right, and was
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: do you know if Jeremy was still there at that
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: time when he was so.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: It was interesting. And then I don't know if you
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: remember they had the Legends of the Ring line.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: That's that's exactly was thinking. Seeing that Jeff Jarrett that
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: was that was warming up the pegs everywhere.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Jeff Jarrett Hogan. There was the Japan Hogan in that set.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: They had a basically a modern curd Angle in that set. Yeah,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: who else was it? They did a Jeff Hardy RVD
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: two pack which I think might have been a Ring
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Side exclusive, but I think a Raven Raven was in there.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: That was a pretty good Raven. There might have been
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: one others in there.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's just like again, it's just kind of like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I feel like Jazzers starts off with this hype and
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: this excitement from that like original TENA toy design, but
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: then towards the end it kind of it kind of
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: felt more closer to the Jack's TNA line with some
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of the choices. Unfortunately, you mentioned the the LJN line.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: This was a play that Jeremy first introduced during the
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Classic Superstars line, which was kind of met with.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Some sort of mixed store.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: He didn't go over very well. It was a hard Yeah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: what was the issue with the this iteration of their
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: their l jns? Especially now? Which is funny because obviously
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: we've seen the success of big Rubber guys to the
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: point that now Mattel has their own they brought back
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: l j and and what went wrong here with with aw.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It's still weird because you think they would have learned.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And I know it's easy to blame Jeremy, but Jeremy's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: like in charge of a million things, so it's not
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: all on him. But I think most collectors think that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it's easy just to say Jeremy because he's kind of
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the face. But the Classic Superstars one was a huge failure.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, knee deep in that at the time,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and I didn't hate the idea of it, but we
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: all said, can't you just do a separate series of those,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: don't put it inside the Classic Superstars. So there was
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of people down on that, and me being
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: an LJN kid as a little kid, I was, you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: knew about the l JN. So they didn't go very well,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They weren't received very well, and then the sizing just
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't correct. It was too.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Small because they had to fit him into the same box.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: That was the issue.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was like that was disappointing from the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: get go. If they were the same size as el Jaan's,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I think people would have been, hey, all right, but
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that was the issue, and you wish they would have
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: learned from that when they came out with the Jazzwars versions,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: because you were backstuck almost in that same kind of
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: scaling going on. It just it wasn't l Jan's because
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the size wasn't correct.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and who who did we I remember there was
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: a derby a Cody was two.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Cody's there was a Derby and there was another gosh
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: what was the other one? Two codies Derby, there was
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: another drawn a blank.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'm gonna if I could find find it,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: we'll we'll throw it in here. I was just like
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I was just looking up. Yeah, there was the the
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Cody I mean, and they didn't look bad, but I did.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: I never, I never myself never had them in hand
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: to oh see them, punk m punk. Oh that's right.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: That was the one that was like a little uh,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: a little questionable, you know. For me, it was my like,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: my excitement for it was I got to see a
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: lot of my friends get their you know, the first
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: action figures, which was very cool. And I got to
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: see people that had been on the indies got their
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: first action figures. We saw Darby, Orange, Cassidy, So it
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: was cool. It was it was cool to see those
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: guys kind of jump in and get into the mix.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: It felt like though, around I want to say, twenty
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: twenty four, things kind of took a bit. I don't know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: there was like a bit of a sagnation with it
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: where it was taken longer now for guys to come out,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: and then by the time people would come out there
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: was you know, they were way outdated. I remember that
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: was always a talking point on the pod whenever someone
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: would come out, you know, and it sucks because, especially
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: the way of the wrestling businesses, it's like you could
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: be hot for this period and then the next period
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: you're off TV. It's like the Dark Order guys were
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: all over TV in the beginning, and then towards the
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: end they kind of phased out. Then that's when their
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: figures are coming out. Yeah, it's a harder sell yep.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: For sure. And it's a deep cut to the generic
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: audience that's shopping at Walmart. They just don't necessarily know
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: who they are. And you know, a lot of it
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: it felt like the stagnation. I mean, it can almost
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: all directly be linked back to not turning that stuff
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and clearancing stuff off the shelves, and you know a
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: lot of that really held up the momentum on the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: line unfortunately. And I don't know if you remember how
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they paid. It was a company called Anderson Merchandising. I
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard of that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I've used them in my business day to day job
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: with in the year and I knew when they did that,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that's not who you want to be using. And I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: think it played out they didn't help them that much
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: they were supposed to. Anderson Company was supposed to clear
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the shelves of all the peg warmers. They did some stores,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: but I got about fourteen Walmarts in my area, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I bet you they didn't even clean off half of them,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: but said they did and probably got paid for it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: So if you can like walk us through kind of
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: how does that work for stuff to get cleared out?
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: And then is this stuff that gets sent to like
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: a place like big lots or Yeah, so.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: It depends on the company. But like this company, they
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: basically pay and this company Anderson in this example, they're
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: in this in Walmarts and Targets and whatever store they
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: need to and they're usually paid to do resets of
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: aisles if the aisles get moved around. They're just kind
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: of laborers that they bring in to help out with things.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And you know, they charge different things depending on what
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the purpose is and what they need to do. They
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: were paid to go in and pull off you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: they had a huge list of UPCs or whatever and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: whatever those were. I forget at the time, where it
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: cut it back, but they were supposed to clear all
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that off the shelf, put it in a box, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was all to be I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: felt like it was supposed to be destroyed, maybe not,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: or it was either supposed to be destroyed or sent
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: back to Jazzwars, and Jazzuars do whatever they want. And
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correct, they did a huge
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: toy for top thing around at aw around the holidays,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and they talked about Jazzuhears donating tons and tons of stuff,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and I think some of that was the recoup stuff
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: they got off the pegs at retail. But the problem
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: is when you pay somebody you know, ten dollars an
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: hour to go pull it off, you're not and these
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: are people like hired by the day. You're not necessarily
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: getting the best quality people. You're basically hiring people day
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: laborers and stumble to say, yep, I did it, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: then they just take their word for it and they
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: collect their ten dollars and nothing happened.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Did you think that when they started going kind of
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: online a little bit more with some more exclusives, that
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: there was maybe more potential there to go direct to
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: consumer with guys like you know, the Briscoes or yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Some of the think if I was in their shoes,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and once again, neither of us know the details and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the financials and all that. We just played armshare quarterback.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But to me, with aw's not in the consumer's face
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: like WWE is. Grandma knows WWE. You know, they don't
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: maybe know AEW, I think the move would be to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: move to online only. Obviously Ringside's a huge arm for them.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: The Vault is a huge arm for them, and then
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: could you have got Amazon, could you have got Entertainment Earth?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Could they have done that kind of stuff? Now, maybe
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Ringside wouldn't be okay with that because they want to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: get the majority. I'm not sure of all that, But
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like the AW audience, more so than the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: WWE audience, lends itself to online sales. I think it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: just a different base where WWE you got, you know, basically,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: it's like the old starting lineups. Four to one hundred
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and four was the age bracket. That's kind of WWE.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Where I feel like Aw' is probably thirteen to thirty
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: five or whatever that number is. It's a more of
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a niche market than wide spanning like WWE to me,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and I think that lent itself to online sales better,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: but they didn't quite go all the way in on that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: And I was looking at also, I just uh, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: just remembered too that they also had and I think
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure these were all unreleased, but they had
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: their own version of the Wrestling Buddies too.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some of those got out. I think they were
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Game Stop or something like. Yeah, they were a little smaller,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: but yeah, they had those two, so they did try
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to branch out. I forgot about those as well.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I do think we brought them up before obviously with
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: it's it is easy to be the scapegoat when you're
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: kind of like the face of it. But I think
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: people don't realize a person like Jeremy in a position
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: that he's in. I don't think he was like in
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: there direct h you know, day to day with this stuff,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: because he's overseeing not just aw, he's seeing pokemon h
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: marsh what are they called squish mollows. Like he's seen
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: over these like huge properties that are making like big money.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: So I don't think it's fair for.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Agree and he gets the funny thing is I mean
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you see the Facebook groups, you see things like that,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: like why can't they do this well at the end
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of the day, like probably the one Squish Mellow of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Pikachu probably sold more than the entire.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Jazz where like probably, Yeah, it's crazy to think and
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and you know, like I've seen what those things go for,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: and it's the markup on that has to be, like
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: it's insane huge.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've my two daughters for about four years
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: were one hundred percent of Squish Metals. We have a
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: room dedicated to Squish Metal still, I mean, it's crazy,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I think people don't understand how big Jazz
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Wears really is and how blip of a radar AEW
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was to them. And honestly, I think without Jeremy, I
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: don't know if we would have ever got aw line
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: because he is a champion of wrestling, he's a wrestling fan.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It was more of a passion project for him.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: It's got turn one, yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: And it finally got to a point where, you know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the board of directors or whatever. So Jeremy, your little hobby,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you know, we we can't do this anymore, you know.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's and it is a shame because like you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: we we mentioned a lot of the issues that went on,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: but that's just more so to kind of detail, Okay,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: where did this go wrong? But they did do a
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: lot of great stuff. So what I want to know is, like,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: what was for you, what was like the holy grail
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: of the Jazzuar design, Like what was your favorite figure
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: that came out? What figure to you kind of like
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: encapsulated the Jazzwars ligne.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: That's so fun to think back, I'm going to miss something,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: but to get a first ever Blade Runner Sting was
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: pretty awesome, you know as a kid looking at like
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: PWI magazines as a kid and seeing for the first time,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: just have my mind blown. Ultimate Warrior and Sting together
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: like that was like the dream when you're a little
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: kid on two different things. And to find out that
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: they were a tag team once upon a time was amazing.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: So to finally get that was such an amazing cool thing.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And I like the other Sting too, and I think
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: they just started to scratch the surface on what they
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: could have done with Sting. So a lot of the
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Sting stuff was amazing, But to me, the lasting legacy
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: is I really think they could go down as having
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the best packaging as far as a wrestling company ever,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking about like the exclusive ring sides and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: some of the Vault stuff. The Acclaim three pack was amazing,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: looking like the boom box. I mean, they had so
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: many cool inventive stuff. That Dan Housen one where it
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: opens up, it's like he's opening his cape. I mean,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: there was so many cool package designs. The Blood and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Guts line was absolutely amazing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: Right, I mean, which you know, that's like a kind
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: of a innovation because again we hadn't seen that in
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: a long time bloody action figures. And then fast forward
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: it got to the point where Mattel finally kind of said,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: all right, here we go. There's the Steve Austin colored
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: in blood, and I don't think that happens without the
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Blood Guts line. The other one that to Jeff Hardy
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: with the light up to me, something that like sticks
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: out as like a home run figure. Uh That that
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Orange Cassidy. I think it was like the first one
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: where you could put the hands in the pockets. I mean,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: you know, they were they were far ahead of the curb.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: And again they were doing stuff with the uh that
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: type of you know, this is like a de freedom
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: thing where they that type of plastic they use for
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: the pants where it's still playable. Brian has it on
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: the Creative Protests because he wrestled that capital not too
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: long ago, and I was like playing around with it
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: and it's like insane, you know. And now you see
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: that technology. Mattel kind of implemented it with the singlets,
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: you know, yeah, the Darby Allen too, with the just like.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Coffin ones. I mean, there were so many
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: cool different stuff that came out with that just I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: think it did push Mattel to do I mean, we've
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: seen some fancier package from Mattel as well to try
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to keep up with some of that. Yeah, and really
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: is awesome.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: And it's going to be interesting, like you said, to
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: see okay, now that this this aspect of it is gone,
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: like what is it? What's it gonna look? Is Mattel
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: gonna kind of are vague in to stagnique now or
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: you know? I mean, I mean, Mattel's at the top
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: of their game and they're gonna keep doing what they're doing.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: They have a great team as well, and I'm also
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: kind of curious too because Jazz War's also had a
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: fantastic team of people and they had I know, I
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: knew one of the guys that was designing the figure.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: So I hope that maybe those guys are able to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: take their talent to other toy lines, you know, and
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: kind of help them out. You know.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a video a while back about it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope that is the case. I mean,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: we saw Magic, you know, go back over to Mattel.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: You know, Magic probably has connections still over there Jazz Wears,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and we see Mattel adding more lines all the time,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: like you know, the Masters w W universe coming back. Now,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: they have the street Fighter line. I mean, there's more elites,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: there's got money that work legends you got to excluded,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: there's so much stuff to work on. Maybe they could
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: pick up some of these people in all of this.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Hopefully that's the case. You know, we'll see where it
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: goes business wise. I guess.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: So as we're at this point now, you know, with
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: where we're at the license and everything's up in the air,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: we don't really know anything. But if you had the guests,
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: if you had to, yeah, in your well wishes, where
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: would you like to see the aw line go. What
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: do you think the future of the line is? You know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: where could they go from here?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm a betting man, I don't think
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: we ever get anything like jazz Wear's ever again. Whoever
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: makes them, They're not going to give us the amount
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: of product we've got over the last five six years,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: whatever it's been. I just don't think that's possible. I mean,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we can throw Mattel out the window right away. They're
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: not going to make the figures. I think we all
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: know that. I don't think Hasbro will either. I mean,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it feels like Hasbro doesn't even want to make action
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: figures anymore. They're licensing out stuff left and right. It's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: a whole weird thing there. And they've lost a ton
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: of designers recently. Uh, And I just don't know. I mean,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I could see possibly them partnering with you know, the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: collect Majors of the World, Boss Fights of the World.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: You know, we saw the aw L JN Style or
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: the Major bendorj mclick what am I looking for? The
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: big rubber guys, the aw big rubber guys, so we
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: could see more of things like that. But to think
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get set after set exclusive after exclusive. I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: don't see any company doing that. The one company I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: think that could do that, I'm not sure if they will,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: would be McFarland Toy's. McFarland Toy's just recently lost the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: DC license and they've got to, you know, for they've
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: got to plug those holes of miss sales somewhere. And
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: we've seen them gain a few different license We see
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: some image comic license coming to them. But maybe wrestling
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: is something new they've got they could get into. You know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: they've dabbled in UFC recently. Maybe we see that with
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: a I think that would be the best fit. I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: don't know if it'd be the most popular fit out there,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: but if you wanted figures on a pretty good release
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: pattern like Jazzwar's, McFarland's the only other company that kind
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of could do that. I feel I.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: Have one that's a little outside of the box. But
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: just thinking with his recent success in the recent product
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: that he's put out, and I just imagine that if
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: he had that little bit of extra rocket fuel with
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: a brand like AW, what it could do for company
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: like Zombie's Sailor Toys. Who I mean, we saw what
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: he's able to do something like this, Abby Butcher right here,
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I got the pinnacle set. He's able to do something
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: like this on his own. Imagine what he could do
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: if he teamed up with, you know, a major company
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: like aw the video.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I broke it over like twenty minutes. I went through
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: about every company and what they could or couldn't do,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and I did talk about Zombie in there, and I
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: think it would be amazing to get that style figure.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: But then if he did do that, you know, it
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: have to be the heaviest the heavy hitters at a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: you know, fifty dollars price point or whatever it is.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe they can knock it down a little bit. It
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: would they would be absolutely amazing. But yeah, I just
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody, I mean, when best case
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: scenario for Zombie. I think it would be kind of
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: like what Collect Major is done, and you know, they
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: get the license, they make a series one of big
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: rubber guys. Zombie would do something similar. Maybe it makes
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: four figures, maybe twice a year, eight figures a year
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And I think if it goes
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to a boss fight, it goes to a Super seven,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: it goes to Zombie or any of the other ones.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what it would end up being. I
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: just don't think they're in a place where they could
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: turn and burn the product. And it's a wild thing.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Sometimes growth like that puts companies out of business. I
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: mean Walmart's the perfect example. They love something, they sign
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: them up, and then all of a sudden they can't
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: even compete and they go out of business. And I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: can see that happen to a smaller company if.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: That's their point. That's why I had you on to
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: talk about it, because you're a little more in the
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: know about this stuff. I'm just fantasy booking. One more
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: thing too, I wanted to mention we were talking about all
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: these kind of like innovations and cool things that they
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: were able to do in the time with Jazzuiar's we
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: forgot to mention too, they released the first six inch
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: owen Hart that had kind of you know, forgot Yeah,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: that was and that was that was a big deal
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: when you know, who who would have ever thought, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I mentioned who would have ever thought you'd have like
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Johnny Silver action figure? But now who would have thought
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: you would have had an owen Hard figure? After all
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: these years and they were able to bridge that gap,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: which you know, i'd like I'd like to think Jeremy
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: had something to do with that. The man did kind
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: of change the game with the Classic Superstars, so for sure.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And you know the other thing too that they really
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: brought to another level that Mattel's getting there as well.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: But tattoo work on figures, I think they w brand
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: probably as the most tattooed amount of wrestlers ever assembled.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I would imagine they did. They did have that Brody
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: king right.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Malachi Blacks at the time were like next level.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I mean they killed it on that kind of stuff.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it was really visionary and how they got
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: that done, and they got them done really good where
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you can actually see them.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: That's right, And I like I said, you know, it's
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: it sucks to see that it's gotten to this point,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: but I mean there's a lot to be celebrated. So
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I guess as things are where they are, do you
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: see this being a thing where uh you know these uh,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: there's gonna be kind of an uptick on these figures
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: now that may no longer be in circulation, Like there's
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: gonna be uh you know, uh a rise in there
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: in the value of maybe some of the early series would.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I see happen. I hate it, but this usually happens.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Whenever a toy line goes under, people dump their collection
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: left and right. They're like, oh, it's over, I'm done,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I'm dumping it. So that's a perfect time to go
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in if you have some missing pieces and one thing
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I talked about, and I actually enjoy this aspect of collecting.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: There's something fun, like, you know a lot of people
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: over COVID were trying to collect the Hasbros or the lgns.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: It's a bookend collection. You know what your list is.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: There's something fun about collecting when you know there's a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: beginning and an end. You know, as Mattel e leads,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: when are they gonna end? I don't think it's gonna
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: be anytime soon. Now people have an opportunity to go
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: back and say, you know, I was only forty figures short.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get those figures I needed. So I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: think there'll be some of that. But I do feel
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: that once the word really gets out that it's really over.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I mean we still got figures coming through the rest
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: of the year. I mean we could talk through that too,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but once it's really over, and let's just say January
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven it's really over, I think you'll see
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a massive dump of collections out there, and I think
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: if you're smart in your long game, you can pick
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: up some pieces at a pretty good price. But I
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: do think then it just takes years to put in
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: between there, and then we'll see the value rise as
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: time goes. Was on down the road, I mean, I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: saw those classic Superstars. They dropped down to barely almost
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: worthless when the contract went away, and then they rose
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: big time.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and I think too there's also a
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: level of accessibility with AW that isn't as much with
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: WW in terms of you can get a good chunk
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: of these, you can get a whole set of these
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: guys signed, you know, like autograph. So that's you know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: that's something that maybe uh you know, to look after.
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: Yeah, AW, I mean in the podcast over, if you
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: get your figures cheap, buy them up, Like even if
• 46:37
  Speaker 10: you get them ten dollars a piece and you sell
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: them for thirty at your table.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: It's a heck of a markup.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: So as as it stands now, the last do you
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: know exact what the last line to be in a
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: retail is I think it would have been a series
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: eleven or twelve.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It was unmatched twelve maybe or unrivaled whatever that would
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: have been.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which I think is like Moxley, there's unrivaled seventeen,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: which was Christian Cage, Adam Copeland, uh, sort of Strickland,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Lucas Souris. I mean, look, I mean Ricky Ricky Starks
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: is in there, which I mean, you know again, that
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: just goes to say, I think who else, Jack Perry,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Mariah May again, there's someone you know, some of these
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: people that have jumped, but I you know, even then,
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: another to their point, to their credit, is the quality
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: didn't go down with these figures. They still even with
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: these last few lines, they're still kind of giving it.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: They're all I only had two gripes with the line
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: as a whole, and you know, Mattel I got gripes
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: with them too. We've had issues with the hips, We've
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: had issues with the ankles the last few years. We've
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: had paint app issues. Nobody's free of issues, but jazzwear
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: has always had two things that got to me. One
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: it was a stylistic choice. The other one is a
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: true issue. The true issue was the staining of the figures.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: They had so much staining from the soft goods for
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: so many years, and they finally got it fixed about
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: six months ago. But there's a lot of my figures
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: in my collection. If I took the shirts off them,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: they'd be black and stained, which is super annoying.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: And then you never you never watched you know, that
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: hack to wash them.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem was most of them, I would
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: unbox them, like you know, you get them from ringside,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you're getting them first, right, they would be stained, already
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: already stained, I mean, and then just imagine if you
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: got that whatever figure eight months later, you know, once
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: it's been on pegs for a while, that thing's just
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: even worse at that point. So that's very frustrated. Then
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the other issue I had, it's all stylistic. You like
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: what you like, you don't what you don't. But I
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: didn't like the unsightly pins and the elbows and the knees.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I like pendless.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Did they end up getting rid of those?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: It's supreme, Supreme, we're penless. Yeah, Which it's like, man,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: just just move to that, just move to that. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I think Jazzuar's what if they would have dialed back
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and did a few more Supremes a year and dialed
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: back the unmatched unarrival, that could have been something that
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: maybe would have had some legs.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Right well, I mean, like I said, we don't know
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: what the future holds. But I mean obviously as wrestling
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: figure fans, as wrestling fans, we want to see, you know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: aw succeed and we want to see the whatever the
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: future line is or is going to be. You know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: I want that to be a success, and I and
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: I hope it's something that is comparable to to what
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: we got because what we did get in that time,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: there was a lot of great stuff there.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would love to see I mean I
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: threw out a conspiracy theory Jesse Ventura style in my video.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I would love to see Tony Kahan. You know, we've
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: heard their breaking with pro wrestling teas. There's a lot
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of different moves going on. Maybe Tony'll take all this
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: stuff in house. He'll do it himself, maybe hire his
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: own team and do everything. I mean, he's got deep pockets,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: cut out the middleman, go straight to market his way.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I could be overthinking that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: But I mean, hey, like he's got the ability to
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: do it, and there's a lot of again I mentioned Zombie,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: but there's a lot of people out there that I think,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: you know, you put the right team together, why not
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's he's a businessman, after all, his
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: whole family is. So I think there's an opportunity there.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Whether or not they want to proceed that way, who knows.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: It feels like it's one of those things. It's like
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: you start a wrestling promotion and it's a no brain.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: It's like you have to have the video game and
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: you have to have the action figures. Obviously shirts as well,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: but like those.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Two I was gonna say those three.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those three things, like you have to as a company,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: you have to have these things as to be a
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: legitimate wrestling company, you know. I mean, you know, you
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: look at like how long Our Rage was around without
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: any product, right or even TNA after they lost the
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Jack's license. It's something that's been messing for them to
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: this TNA. Now.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I mean we got that Joe Hendry, which I guess
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: is a TNA figure, but the Power Town, I mean,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: that's a whole other video we could do.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: That's a whole other thing.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do ten videos on that, I think. But
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: but I mean TNA hasn't had anything forever. It's been forever.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's one of those things. I think that
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: it in the long run, it's like you you need
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: to just whatever reason you got, you got to have
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: the action figures. You know, it's part of the thing.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: And I hope that that continues for AW and it
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: doesn't go the way of TNA or you know, all
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: these other companies like you need to. I'm sure they'll
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: find a way to keep it going.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think their fan base is in
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: an age and it's it's a window where I think
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: they would be receptive to Zombie Sailor style figures, Pinnacle figures,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and I think if you do twelve figures a year
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: or a figure a month or something like that and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: work with Zombie and get it planned out, I mean,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's something that could have legs. I think,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: so who knows, who knows?
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: I think there's I mean, they just managed to get
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: some of their because that's the other thing too, right,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: It is there's this initial excitement once the line gets
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: announced that. Okay, we're finally getting young buck figures. We're
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: getting keny Omega. Okay. So now fast forward a couple
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: of years later, what's new And you know it's also
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: on the company where they start building new stars. So
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: thankfully we were able to get guys like I think
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: to cash the his thing ended up coming out Osprey Okada.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: So I mean, as long as AW keeps producing stars,
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: there's more costs to make figures. But I mean, if
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be the same guys, then what can you do, right, Yeah,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: you can, you can make a clone or you know,
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: some of these lower card guys. But like you said,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: people want they want the heavy hitters.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and retail wants the heavy hitters. So it's a
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: whole business. And that's the thing. You know, a lot
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of us, this is our escape. This is the fun thing.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: We don't want to put the business hat on and
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: think in business ways. But I think that's what the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: majority of the people that are in Facebook groups and stuff.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: They don't think of it as a business. Which everything's
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: a business. It all doesn't money, and you got to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: take that step back every once in a while.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: And I think too, like I these companies now are
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: starting to prove too that like retail, retail is in
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: every everything, right, especially with the way everything is going now.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Like I don't think it's you don't have to be
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: in retail. I don't think. I don't know. Again, I
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: don't know the numbers and the overhead and all that stuff.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: But to say I have a figure on Target, it
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: is cool, but it's not. It's not the end will
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: be all.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird thing. I was just having a
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: conversation today and like the lutry thing, and this company
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: was talking to they're trying to find a supplier to
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: basically get their stuff to the stores, and they feel
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: without retail they're not going to make it. Which at
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, I guess a grocery item
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: you need retail. We need it because people aren't gonna
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, people do buy their grocers online more and
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: more every single day. But it's a little different where
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I feel more comfortable ordering a pillow online than like
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: my bananas. Yeah yeah, my bananas M cup squished. It's
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: not the kind of color I want or whatever. So yeah, yeah,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there is something to it, but you know, like
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: I think it is. Especially I look at now what
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: the market is for some of these figures, Like for Zombie,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: he's going out to do these conventions. He had a
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: table set up at Russell Khan. We had this big
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: sure of creator pro. He was there with the with
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: his table. I think that's kind of the approach because
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: now it's like the customers are there half the time.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: The guys that you're making the figures off there are
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: a couple of tables down.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: It's it's a little more palatable that way, I think,
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: and you're able to pick up the figure and see
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: it and you know, because that is that is definitely
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: a part of it. You know, like you look at
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: the quality every a lot of times, the quality difference
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: for each each guy. But like I say, it's not
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: that of the world, so they don't need the retail
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: but we'll see.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: But ky yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much for coming on. It
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: was your big help. I mean, it is funny you
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: said like this, I'm a big fan of your channel
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: and everything, and this how this toylete kind of coincides
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: with uh would you say a coincided with the growth
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: of your channel.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was like right around the time,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: and like a lot of people, there was nothing to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: do during COVID, and it's like, you know, it just
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: kind of snowballed into that And that was a big
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: part of the early part of my channel, where I'd
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: go on figure hunts, trying to find these aw palettes,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: trying to find these aw figures and then even joking
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: about there's rio again, stuff like that. So it is
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: kind of the end of an era. In a lot
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of ways, it is sad. I mean, I still got
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: my buddy Lando Calarissian out there to keep me company,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: but outside of the I mean, it is sad. I mean,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and as wrestling fans, I mean, I've seen some people
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: cheering this on like oh great, they're out of business.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: That's good, Like that's not good. No, I want competition
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: to make Mattel always be better. And you want another
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: option for you know, your buddies, Like you're saying, you're
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: friends with a lot of these guys, you want them
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to have an extra payday and an extra way to
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: go it. And more wrestling is the better. It brings
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: more money to everybody, the more that's out there. So
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: it is it is a sad time and it'll be
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: interesting to see. And I mean, I think I talked
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: about this in my video twenty twenty six. When it's
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: all said and done, this could be one of the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: most pivotal years and action figures of all time. With
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of the licenses that are coming to an end,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are start I mean, I could,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I'll run through it quick. You've got DC going over
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to Mattel from McFarlane McFarland. Losing DC is huge, Playmates,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: losing teenage Ninja Turtles, first time since like nineteen eighty
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: seven they've been away from Playmates. They have went over
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: to Mattel. Mattel now holds the master license for Ninja Turtles.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Will they Neka to make action figures of Turtles anymore?
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Like you got that whole thing. You've got Masters of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: the Universe, which is one of the most popular figure
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: brands of all time. If this movie is a flop,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: that's gonna kill Masters of the Universe probably for another generation
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: or so, we won't see anything anymore. So you got that,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: and then now you got Jazz Wears with aw Levin.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much going on. It's gonna be
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: interesting when the dust settles what action figure collecting looks like.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And then you throw on top of that target Walmart
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: cutting space down, giving more space to Lego, who is
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the number one right now. I mean, there's so many
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: moving and shaking things, and I think a lot of
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: us don't realize what we're living in right now is
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: really a year from two from now is gonna be
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: a big difference.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. And that's
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: the Lego theme is kind of interesting to me because
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: like they take up a lot of shelf space, but
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: their prices are are insane, and I can't imagine that
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: so many people are actively buying their products like that.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: But I guess, yeah, I guess there's a company in
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the world, you know. When you throw it all in there,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, wow, it's amazing. I mean the price per
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Lego is just crazy. It's like it was that way
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. It's like ten times more
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: expensive now. I don't know how people afford it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: I I also putting on my Jesse Ventoria cap on here.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: I have my own little conspiracy theory about the the
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: future of some of these legends deals with WWE with
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: a lot of stuff that's going on and just things
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I've been hearing, you know, people talk about and legends
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: what they're saying. That's going to be interesting to see
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: where that goes in the future. But again that's something
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: that could open up for other people like Hastele and
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Zombie and all these other sch So it's gonna be interesting.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Tell us a little bit about your channel. Where can
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: we find you? How often? What days are you posting?
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Just to let let the If they don't know, I
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: assume they all do, they don't know.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Just a case. Yeah, I'm the James Brown YouTube. I
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: post for four new videos every single day.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: So I don't know how for a day for a day.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So three on my main channel and my second channel
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I do one video over there. So I mean I
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: put a ton of hours into it, and I always
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: tell everybody if they there's people that come to me
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: say I can't do one video a week, I'm like,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I do four every single day, and I have a
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: more than a full time job. So if I can
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: do it, anybody can do it. You just gotta want
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: it bad enough. But yeah, I do four videos every
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: single day between two YouTube channels. To search Kyle Peterson.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: You can find me on social media as well. You
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: know Kyle Peterson. You search Kyle Peterson, you'll find what
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: you're looking for there. I got a Patreon bonus stuff,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. And then I did start a
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: podcast sixty weeks ago, So episode sixty coming out this
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: week or next week.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: Here, here's to one hundred and one hundred more.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: There you go, something like that.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we actually had a I'm sure you saw this.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: We actually had a viewing party for one of your
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: episodes when we were at there. We at the Major
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: House in Florida. Yeah, it was probably like about Powertown
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: or something that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a whole I think I said in the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: video something about all the major guys they're not watching
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: this right now.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were all watching.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: It was funny. I laughed pretty hard. I was in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: a meeting when you guys said that to me. I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: was laughing pretty hard.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, we know we love what you do and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: keep doing what you're doing. And again, man, thank you
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: so much for having me. Thank you for being a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: part of the rewind. This is history. This is the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: first time I've ever done anything like this, So thank you.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: For being the first one on here, and this was
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: a great, great help to be in here and really
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: kind of go through the line. I think it was.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: It was a really good retrospective.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: I smell a new podcast between us. Bratch off.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: Let's do it, man, we got we could do we
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: could do sixty episodes on Powertown alone alone, exactly right?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: All right, brother, is there an opportunity for a Coconokah, yeah, delightful,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: it would be incredible.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you've got John Cena on the line, John, how
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: are you doing today?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 9: Should be hitting? I believe this quarter, and uh maybe
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: both ways to.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Hide behind that commissioners suff just so long until I jerk.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: A not in your ass.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 9: Should be hitting. I believe this quarter, and uh maybe
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 9: both ways are hitting this quarter.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Parle me booker t Stevie Ray.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: You heard my brother.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: You put him in the hospital and I had to
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: go with the part's unknown and find a new partner.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Well I found that partner.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: It's myth podical.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: Come on in here, boy, and one thing for Peyton. Peyton,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: the first guy you kiss can't be Papa John. Okay,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: and listen, this is a big moment. First of all,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: I have no idea. Why Papa John's on the field.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: Shame on the NFL for having them on the field.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: But if you have Peyton Manning, you have enough money.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: The first guy you kiss can't be Papa John. Okay,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: it can't be.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: It should be hitting eye. I believe this quarter and uh.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Warmer heavyweight champion and I have once don't gold locks
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: of a wife who.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Becauses my entry. I can no longer that sex with
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: my wife anymore. On one of the biggest legends stars Hurler, God,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: what about.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: That one you've got?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: Oh there's jumpings Yeah, Farmers, Yeah, a whole back.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: What a Matthew head with Modley yep.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: Probably the hardest bet I ever had in my life.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 9: So I don't like it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: When things aren't going my way.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Motley Kruz, you turn the tables on me.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: You turn the tables in a wrong way. Twenty ten,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein calls me and says, you want to go
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: to my island?
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's the terminal?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Former heavyweight champion and I have one stone cold fox
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: of a wife.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Whoa. But you know what, I'm rock hard right now
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: with emotion. I got a phoner.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: Till they plant. You can't run and hide from me anymore.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: And when we come to Philadelphia this time, there's gonna
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: be no mistaken what's gonna happen.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna come on you.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Like nobody's ever come on you before.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: No baby doll at your side, nobody to run distraction
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: for you, just you and I getting it on like two.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: Men should do.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: This isn't some game.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: This is where men are men and the boys stay
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: on the side and watch what was going on.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Free request ready, harlem, me.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 9: Should be hitting. I believe this quarter.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: And yep, free request.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Go to.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Hell, hell, hell, hell, You've got me mad.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna reveal something about myself that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: I would probably prefer people didn't know, right, you know,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I kind of like growing up, right, even though I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: was this huge sports fan.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Dude, I was at Dungeons and Dragons Hunky.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: I actually, I.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Literally I'll give him one of a and I'll get.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: One of those. And I joking, my.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: God, I hope him like good, I'll give yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe, I believe I but we gotta know
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  Speaker 3: who are you?
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  Speaker 8: You know, I'm I want to tell you one thing.
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  Speaker 8: The thing is that I'm the Antichrist, and I want
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  Speaker 8: other people to respect me because I'm the anti Crist.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't know who's underrest against me because I'm
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  Speaker 8: the best, and I want to show the people the
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  Speaker 8: anti Crest is the number one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna take care of business the way it
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: should be done. Perhaps I've been too nice. Perhaps I've
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  Speaker 3: been trying to be a real a real sports, a
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: real gentleman.
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  Speaker 4: Now, Tolly Blanchard, I want you.
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  Speaker 3: It's not Uncle Sam.
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  Speaker 4: Talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: Ronnick Garvin.
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  Speaker 2: I want you, and I want to get you.
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  Speaker 3: I want to have you. I'm gonna get to touch
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: your body.
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  Speaker 2: Jay.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I've got some new medical information on Jerry the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: King Laurel that just came in a few moments ago.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: We understand that Jerry Lawler has bruise ribs and well,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: with all due respect, he's also suffering from from anal bleeding.
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  Speaker 1: What wow, why are you acting?
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  Speaker 5: Who are you?
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  Speaker 2: What's your name?
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
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  Speaker 4: Interpretation?
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  Speaker 8: But that's what they do.
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  Speaker 7: He gives them one, and he gives them one.
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  Speaker 4: A do you know?
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  Speaker 8: He gives the do and that See, I don't have
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  Speaker 8: nothing more to say because the unscrast is number one.
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  Speaker 8: That is one more Let me tell you one more thing.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: Let me tell you one more thing. And these world
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  Speaker 8: the number one, the number one, and the bitch is
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: the anti grace.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not just making promises.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling something that is gonna be done, Something is
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: gonna happen in the future, because bones do heels. But
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: I've got a memory like an elephant, and I can
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: do it like an elephant.
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  Speaker 2: But not of God, Not God, God, Geocto Christ.
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  Speaker 1: It's me.
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  Speaker 9: Should be hitting I believe this quarter and.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Uh, from this moment on.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, what happened to my God? That's probably
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: satisfy the whole comediacs. I'm gonna get off by cranking
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: your knob just a little beyond the breaking point.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Life is not fair, Life sucks, and then you die?
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  Speaker 2: Do do or die? Yay go, I'll walk through the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: for thou art evil, you do, he does, do or die?
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  Speaker 2: Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
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  Speaker 8: That's right, I'm here and I'm one to be defending
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: my championship tonight live at Canterbury Village at the inaugural
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  Speaker 8: Taco Pess