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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of The Aztecs (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to a hamster with a
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  blunt. Penknife the Doctor Who country
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  podcast. I'm sorry.
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  And I'm back with Joe today. Hello, talking about part four
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  of the Aztecs. So this is just after the half
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  way point of season 1 of Doctor Who, that's right.
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  What is your favorite story of the first season?
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  Oh my god. Dad.
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  What you did well, there he improvised I question my
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  favorite story of the first He's and is probably Marco Polo,
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  okay? I think Marco Polo.
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  Seven episodes. It has the chance to tell like
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  this sweeping epic and it really is.
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  And they go to all the different location.
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  That's a bit. I'm going to go for flexi on you
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  now. Okay.
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  A B C Series 13. We meet those characters at the
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  beginning of those seven weeks, yeah, go on a journey with those
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  guest characters, we get to know them really well.
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  The tennis table, show it to be look Sumptuous, doesn't it?
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  That like the lighting is particularly strong, there's a
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  sequence in the singing. Yes, that looks and the sound
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  design, and everything looks amazing nothing.
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  So I think probably Marco, Polo is the best story.
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  My favorite story of season 13. The Daleks mmm-hmm, because I
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  think the Daleks has apart from that one episode where they jump
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  over that fucking rock. That's one level.
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  Five minutes of coming over apart from that.
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  We have coming over, it's time. I think yes scary creation at
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  his best as ferric. It's traumatic, it has like a
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  moral dilemma in it. I yeah, I think it's really,
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  really strong. So I guess Cy captivated the
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  nation lutely. Yeah.
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  It is nothing else quite like it on television at the time and I
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  think as Steve said in his wonderful commentary was really
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  good. Very popular.
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  I'm very, you know, very popular but we're not here to talk
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  about. Even I do not know or an
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  unearthly child or my sneaky favor mice.
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  My sneaky. It sort of.
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  Yeah, of course. Have you got any like, weird
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  crashes? Yes.
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  But like my to weird crushes, are Richard ayoade, right?
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  And Robert Webb. Okay.
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  Neither of which I thought about, yeah.
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  Okay. For all the wrong reasons.
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  Yeah, like yeah, it's very intently made but it's
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  incredibly entertaining as brains in jars.
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  They get me hard baby, but like most sneaky love in season one.
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  Don't you? Dare say the sensor is, I'm
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  going to say s rights. Thank you.
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  And people often that I really like the caveman episodes of
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  only two. Yeah, me too.
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  Doctor Who is never as visceral and his dad.
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  Downright dirty and nasty grass. Those episodes ever again, the
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  hysteria and everyone is filthy after that Adventure, I like it.
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  When people laughing that lands on the corpse.
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  Yeah, scream. It's, you know, stay store and
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  Doctor Who Never does anything quite like that ever again?
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  Well, can I sing a song from Calamity Jane at you?
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  Then you kept your secret loves no secrets and me anymore.
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  And now I'm Doctor Who Fuck you.
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  Mexico. When it's a bit of cold
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  important. No Batman.
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  That is he's doing good. now, the professionalism
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  Who is coming in under the? Well, would you believe it?
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  Hey, hi. You know what, right, once a.
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  But now I'm not saying that story actually.
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  Okay, it's one here. Well, no, you've taunted us with
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  Y internalized, as well as well, somebody's house, right?
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  Yeah. And then their overall came.
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  Oh yeah. And I had to LEAP into something
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  very much all of them sir, you know what?
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  Believe in cycling. Nothing else in the man.
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  Sweats. Emotional my life.
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  It's supposed to be a skull. Is that is that it's a
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  decorative representation. It's been pulley systems.
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  I imagine this is you ruining Elton says a Louisville man,
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  says he had to invent a rudimentary pulley system?
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  Yeah it's kind of yeah. Back to this, isn't it?
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  Also, I need to up my game again to next year.
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  Well I mean I mean I'm having a great laugh.
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  Yeah, well that's fun. Hopefully, that is enough for
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  all your listeners out there to get stripping, kind of had to
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  allow the Safeway now, bats with one.
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  Yeah. Right.
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  That is I do like a lot of people that like, the numbers of
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  people listen to. This is impressive.
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  I am. Yeah, I am super impressed with
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  how it's called listenership, but ultimately the joy of this
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  for me, Me isn't the numbers and I think if you ever start
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  looking into numbers for endorsement, you're in a large
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  house solutely. It's how much fun I have doing
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  in the connections I make on the way and if that is an extended
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  to the audience at home, that's amazing love that.
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  But it's the experience of doing it and I've really enjoyed doing
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  this once and there are many different types of commentary
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  that people could do. You can do the really informed
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  coming in with lots of information.
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  Should and all over the behind-the-scenes ones.
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  Like Brendan or even better than ski?
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  Yeah, yeah yep. Coming at it, from the target,
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  but think about it, which is a really interesting way of doing
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  it. You could do it as that is for
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  man. Yep, becomes very well-informed.
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  Yeah, you can do it as the legal case for my Warriors of the deep
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  is particularly good or bad. Well, we all know you're talking
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  about their Jason Miller and you could do it where you're
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  literally just commenting about what's on the screen, but One
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  brings something different. But that's that's the joy of
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  this as well because obviously I mean every single one but every
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  single person that contributes Springs are different time.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  The bring themselves don't know. And and everyone has their way
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  of approaching it. Yeah, like is when you're
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  normally on this is so something.
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  Don't you know I love it. When you're on it, I you
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  generally come with a massive love for the show.
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  Yes. And huge Nostalgia, which I
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  think that really appeals to people.
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  Yes, that's but that's basically me.
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  So that's me being me loving. That's why why bring this?
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  Yeah. Yes, I'm here to see you later.
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  Yeah, that's a Fluff in it. Yes, I do think they get away
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  with this laughs so because he's supposed to be nice Charming.
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  Yes. Jason Thompson said the other
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  day, how many times a day to make it like you get a bit of
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  something that you say wrong? Yeah, it happens all the time.
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  Quiet. Yeah.
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  My commentary. So make any sense when I'm
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  talking. What's nice is like all clocks
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  is like the fist is coming in on them, isn't it?
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  Yeah you know they're running out of taught everyone now as
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  realized who they are and yeah I wasn't joking that scene where
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  she says well I would have died. I am not your taxa that is a
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  powerful bit of trouble. That's all.
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  Reviews relevant, events career, and I'm not gonna screw it.
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  I fell off and broke her rape ever seen in my life.
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  They're really working together here.
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  Yes exactly. And that's what's great about
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  this told his team. You know, what happened?
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  Don't you Marco. Polo happened.
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  They went on a massive journey and they had mumps together they
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  had the argument. So that had like the dramatic
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  kind of Crescendo of them not getting on in edge of
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  Destruction. Yeah.
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  Well then followed on with Marco Polo where they go on this kind
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  of long yeah journey together this nose nose keys of marinus
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  then they have a bit of fun Keith Yes, and how yeah what
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  will his couple weeks off when he comes back for those, were
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  the crime. He's so fun.
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  So yeah. Yeah they've had actually in
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  story terms they've had months together.
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  Yeah. Banding together and then you
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  would knew you would find a way to get on the beach together.
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  Yeah. And there could well be there's
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  room for stories between Mariners and this as well.
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  Okay, let's pick them up. Yeah this is and she's taking
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  the gut and yeah. Now he's in trouble so yeah.
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  It's just one more thing to stop them.
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  Getting back to the Tardis. This is the stock not getting
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  back to the targets they were Marco Polo.
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  It's just Marco. Polo was going well yet again
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  in. Yeah I've got the key.
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  Yeah still the key. Now I've made another team back.
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  Yeah in Mariners no incense rust.
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  A lot gets taken off yet in Mariners goes beyond the
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  physical Force for them so they can't get back to it in the
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  dark. Garlic.
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  So they're just stuck in the fluid.
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  Links in the city. Yeah.
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  And then they got to go back. Yeah.
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  That really the only famous prisoners of the tribe of gum.
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  Yeah. In reign of terror, they all
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  just get scattered is right? Yeah.
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  And the taken prisoner also Key Personnel.
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  Yeah. And then the big one in Dalek
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  invasion weapons company Rubble. Week ahead.
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  So, that's the termination for you, but just for a lot of good.
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  Exactly. We'll do that again in just
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  move, the Daleks just stop. I think you an idea to people,
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  oh, and Daniel night that like this.
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  Yes. Hooray time, I can't wait.
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  I think he's back in the, you know, come by car.
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  You could do better. Do you see what this
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  competition? Is that alright here.
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  So we've seen more gentle romance.
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  Yes. It's like, yeah, I would love to
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  see trout and have a romance, you know, like it when he flirts
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  Joshua trees are gonna say. Yeah, he's married.
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  And there's a nice little relationship between him and and
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  Travers, as well as, and Jim a call.
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  When I like, well, I mean, we know, partly and Joe Girardi.
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  Yeah. Maple.
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  That's what we're going to exceptional.
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  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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  My name is yeah, that's all of it All Began series.
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  Like that, Michael said that there's more sexual Chemistry
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  Between Chang me and a master, when he takes me to the art or
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  otherwise known as the hot tub. And then we're into new series
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  and they're all, they're all yeah, the whole lot of them come
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  off, its time. They're all bonking.
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  And there is your potted History of Rome and thank you for
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  joining us. No look and then Dan come in and
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  just as the space, Gooseberry aren't you know what?
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  I would find it and fabulous payoff, you know, if in had our
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  last story, they say I love ya more, they have a kiss.
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  Like I think that would be a brilliant pay off that
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  relationship and worth waiting for.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Words a chipmunk be a long game.
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  Oh he has so far wait for the Tardis of the evidence still
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  Yankee with nothing to anyone who is if you've seen the new
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  year, Special by now and that's will be displaced.
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  Off. They went to the price, went to
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  Mexico. Yes.
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  And found the temple. Is this?
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  Yes, it might be foul. Sorry to All You Blue Peter
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  found It's a weird question, Okay, and
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  like half and season 3 didn't, it's really sorry.
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  Select the season one does incredibly well.
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  We are missing someone and six in the 60s.
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  Yeah, exactly. So we've got so what we're
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  missing, seven eight, nine episodes of, however, 40 or 50
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  years. Which really helped.
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  So they went all over the world and so they're just more copies
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  around or even Levine does say doesn't even if you haven't got
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  there that day. Yeah, we have lost all seven
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  positive source of the negatives of the Daleks but I do wonder if
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  he said that for dramatic effect.
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  Yeah. I've been known to want to have
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  an air of drop. Yes.
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  He enjoys using those catalogs on Twitter.
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  But it's amazing that this this season just about all of it is
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  there and that we can watch these stories.
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  We are blessed and in non facetiousness.
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  Yeah I am very grateful indeed save those episodes yeah.
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  Wow. Quite right too.
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  Yeah. Even we're very lucky as fans to
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  have idea of it. Yeah, the I just think the fact,
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  the animation happening. It's yes.
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  Strawberry that they are animating black and white Doctor
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  Who from the 60s. Yeah.
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  From a soundtrack, someone recorded off their Telly is a
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  testament to the popularity of the show.
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  And also, one thing I always find phenomenal and amazing is,
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  as of recording on the 12th of the 12.
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  And she 21, we still have half of the original cast.
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  Yeah. You know, and where the 70s has
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  been. So we've wiped out in a few
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  years where we lost big people to have it and when your muscle
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  who is in his late 90s and still going strong, William Russell
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  did some companion Chronicles for big finish and some early
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  Adventure. Yes.
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  He was extraordinarily good. He really was a, some of my
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  favorite are the rocket men that?
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  Yeah. It's by John Donne, it's just so
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  good and he's the one that's the museum in his head.
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  Just time, is it? Yeah, I love that one.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a consummate actor.
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  Yeah. And I don't always remember the,
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  when they brought out the market, Hello t.v. soundtrack
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  and it's a stop them. Really nice evocative speech, at
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  the start about the time, this is the Tardis and these are the
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  time travelers in it and he's just so lovely.
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  It's comforting about yes. Whereas I tell you what, Carolyn
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  for nice, alright Utopia recently in the convention and
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  she still blaming Doctor Who for the deaf career.
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  She's been doing that for loss this year nearly 60 years of.
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  Come on here. Oh yeah.
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  We just generally good Doctor Who we're so lucky.
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  That anyone has lavished any attention on it at all the what
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  was a family show from 1960s made for next to nothing, but
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  the stories that are missing. You've got so many options.
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  You can read the target know where you can listen to the
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  soundtrack with narration. You can watch a reconstruction,
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  you can watch an animation. Now why that's extraordinary,
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  right? And even for the stories where
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  there's six photos, you still get a full reconstruction of
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  that story that people have made an effort to do something to
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  represent it visually. I mean I'm not going to pick her
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  up at story again when my ex-husband called me.
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  What every come but I'll say this, I've never been looked at
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  so whoa, what's goin on? Yeah, yeah yeah it could be
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  honestly, couldn't believe. I was watching still
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  photographs. It's a big reader.
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  Doctor Who fan thing to do. You love something, you love it,
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  unconditionally exactly. Even if it only comes in still
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  something Oh, this fight. Now this fight.
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  Now, this is really good. On the music Duke.
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  Get that pulley. So it's just even speak hero
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  moment. It's like, I can't battle with
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  back on, Footwear on film. I can feel Sarah to getting hot
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  right now, so much look at. Yeah, that's great.
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  Look at the perspective on that because again, we're in the film
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  studio. Of the time would look, that
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  good are kind of some of the best, a bill medication.
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  But but the way behind them, you've got fixed at to sell the
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  Vista suddenly. When I say somebody's got a
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  filmic quality to it, that does look at the temples we were in
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  Mexico. Sorry, we are Corneum because
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  we're on film, they can cut. So it's certainly more Dynamic
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  and faster and you realize it hits the the she is proper
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  funds. Just fall off the edge so you
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  knock him over. That's me.
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  Yeah. Well that was a very
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  intimidating. I think there is some story of
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  the director not being so happy with that, because there wasn't
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  enough depth to get him falling very fast.
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  It just looks like he's done a forward roll and a couple of
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  foot. Yeah, so you don't get the
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  purse. Palace are the body falling down
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  around rabbit over there. Is opening into that too.
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  Yeah, if we go, I really love this sequence in the area.
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  Well, first of all, I love the fact that he does murder
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  somebody. Yeah.
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  Because he does a hell not made. They made an impact on one man.
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  But on the society, nothing has changed.
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  No. And it will be exactly where it
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  was. That's the lesson though, isn't
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  it? Yeah, Oh, that's lovely.
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  That's done. We still have that is a very
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  rudimentary of Animation, but if it sells it enough, Matt.
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  Perfect. Sacrifice be made, hahaha.
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  They same so where he says? Yeah you were destined to fail.
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  Yeah. And you realize the impact this
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  story has had on both and because she's affected all up
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  and she's had a friendship with him.
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  Yeah, I can make her as effective him.
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  Yeah. Because he leaves the brooch and
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  then he comes back and fix it up.
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  I always thought was the most touching the new adventures
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  where the doctor finds it, and things it to his his.
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  Yeah. That moment be quite touching.
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  At least you have one man. Look at his little smile there.
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  It's not just loud. These people don't ya just love
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  hanging with them. Okay, horrible here he does it
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  all in the looks and it's that fat just a good actor.
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  Yeah. He doesn't need dialogues.
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  No fact. It's just that.
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  But crazy that could be worse. Hang on eBay.
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  This is very nicely lit. This is the smell room.
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  Yeah, the my room So is this from the sensor?
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  I so they actually erected the Tardis just to refer Richard,
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  the toilet is just to do this as you know, if this is like we're
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  going to fit in there first episode where the Tardis, but
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  vast. Yeah, this is one more and the
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  doors and yeah, not much at all. Let's take a look.
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  Yeah, or inside. By this point, it was still so
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  chlorine, it always is exciting. Are we going?
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  But at this point, you know, right in the beginning of the
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  series? I will.
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  Where the hell are we now? Yeah.
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  Okay. So I have a question for you.
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  Okay, my last question for you today, right?
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  Can you name you can on the strength of that commentary,
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  three things to recommend the Aztecs good.
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  I can't very patient. Listenership Jaclyn Hill of
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  course absolutely top at the height of her powers and just a
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  really really stunning performance in this.
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  She gets so much to do and she sells it.
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  She sees it and she loved you get how can you not be with her
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  all the way through that? You know that lets.
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  Yeah she's that's why mr. Ripping number two, I'm going to
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  go with Will William Hartnell because again, Ate those things
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  with Barbara wouldn't be half the scenes without William
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  Hartnell. Batting the dialogue back at her
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  and just that by play and the chemistry between them is is
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  fantastic. It's engaged and he gets a gate
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  and he gets a comedy. SOB subplot is while Barbara is
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  doing that a syrupy stuff. Yeah.
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  So it's a really nice work for the doctor in this one and
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  phone. Number three, I'm going to go
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  with Barry new Bri out his beautiful sets.
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  He's done another great historical.
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  He's yeah, he's terribly underrated.
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  I'm glad More free more. Oh okay yeah shh potential you
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  pay him. So I'm going to say the
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  direction of John Crockett. Yep.
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  Very stylish. Yet verging on Dynamic for the
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  time. Yeah, although we know nothing
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  about John Crockett, so so at us, please there's through the
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  music music, I don't know. Thank you very much.
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  Rodney been who directed Arc in space.
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  Not the music is Is very memorable yet and number three.
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  I'm going to say all of the, the scenes between the first doctor
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  and come a cow. Yeah.
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  And I genuinely think even though that is a company
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  subplot, that's the best of this story, it there.
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  So Charming, they're so warm. And you see another side, the
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  harbor where you've never seen before.
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  While side, we did it. We somehow think that we did
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  next. Well, we keep talking about
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  doing As in areas that we've not talked about so far as right.
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  So, we have got many left, no, no.
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  But I don't want. You do know where we are going
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  to skip to the Peter Capaldi ERA, with Fraser Gregory legal
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  time. Talk about an icon of
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  literature. Real person knows, baby.
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  Could be all about Robin Hood. Oh, my goodness.
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  We are all waiting for a lot of Shabbat.
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  We pick that long since we left phrase, A pic in the wardrobe
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  than were only circumstances, but next time you'll listen, we
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  shall be venturing to Sherwood Forest.
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  Yeah, for sure. I'll see you next time.
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  Yes. Thank you Joe.
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  Dada.