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Episode 7 - The Bible In Your House Was Illegal To Print | John Rinehart · Solving the World's Greatest Problems

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SPEAKER_02: In more modern history, the most successful evangelistic tool in the history of the world is this thing called the Jesus film.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was a huge price tag to create that film back then.
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SPEAKER_02: And they were having a really difficult time raising money to actually do it.
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SPEAKER_02: And in this very small fundraising venue, it was like five people in the room, and the producers are pitching the vision for it.
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SPEAKER_02: There was a couple sitting in the back, Bunker and Caroline Hunt, very Texan.
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SPEAKER_02: Bunker leans over to his wife Caroline and says, What do you think if we help those old boys get that film made?
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SPEAKER_02: And Caroline said, Bunker, I think that'd just be wonderful.
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SPEAKER_02: And they made a commitment for$5 million.
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SPEAKER_02: What's interesting is the next year they went bankrupt.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: And in talking with Bunker and Caroline Hunt, saying, How did you process that?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, wouldn't you wish you would have saved that$5 million to secure yourself or make this easier?
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SPEAKER_02: They said it was the best$5 million they ever spent.
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SPEAKER_02: The best investment they've ever made.
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SPEAKER_02: That was their language.
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SPEAKER_00: Solving the world's greatest problems is an audacious proposal.
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SPEAKER_00: And yet, no generation has more talent, capital, or tools than ours.
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SPEAKER_00: The time has come for entrepreneurs, investors, givers, ministry leaders to reclaim the church's ancient calling.
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SPEAKER_00: The scale of brokenness is too big for us to do this in silos.
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SPEAKER_00: Under his power, for his glory, together.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Solving the World's Greatest Problems Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Just imagine the overwhelming joy of reading Scripture in your own language for the first time.
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SPEAKER_00: Behind every great gospel movement, there is someone who decided to take a leap of faith and give radically.
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SPEAKER_00: John Reinhardt traveled the world and studied these gospel supporters.
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SPEAKER_00: He quotes, Generosity is the quickest path to joy, and the enemy wants to slow you down.
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SPEAKER_00: But I want to help you floor it.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's have a talk with one of our peers at Joyful Giving, John Reinhardt.
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SPEAKER_04: John, this is uh this is long overdue, man.
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SPEAKER_04: This conversation probably should have happened somewhere much earlier.
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SPEAKER_04: In many ways, it has.
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SPEAKER_04: I know you've shared some of Henry's journey and Henry's story and patron and what that looks like, but man, it's great to be together.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_04: So there's something that's happening in this moment, like that feels like that is taking place, where I think maybe people are scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of like what the world has to offer in terms of wealth.
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SPEAKER_04: And it feels like we're in this moment where maybe wealth is kind of being redefined.
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SPEAKER_04: How would you say kind of like what's happening kind of in this moment?
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SPEAKER_04: Are people giving this a second look?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that in the US at least, we are in the third generation of a generosity movement.
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SPEAKER_02: I think most of the world is still in their first generation of a generosity movement.
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SPEAKER_02: But when we look back at the great authors, the great teachers, the great speakers who've come before us, I think we're standing on the shoulders of guys like Randy Alcorn, Ron Blue, Larry Burkett.
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SPEAKER_02: People have been trying to think about a biblical view of wealth and finances for generations now.
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SPEAKER_02: And we get to inherit that, we get to grow into that.
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SPEAKER_02: And then praise God that those guys have gone before us.
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SPEAKER_02: In other parts of the world, in places like India, where they're just coming up in wealth, and many people who really grew up with nothing are starting to have a significant amount of wealth for the first time.
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SPEAKER_02: They're asking different questions than we're asking in the U.S.
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SPEAKER_02: So what do we do with it?
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SPEAKER_02: What's it for?
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SPEAKER_02: And for many of them, it's just security purchase, things that we didn't couldn't purchase before, luxuries.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, we we've grown up watching maybe parents or grandparents get some of the things that we're supposed to fulfill and satisfy, work the corporate job for 40 years, get the retirement, and I think as in a way get a little disillusion to go, I'm not sure I'm gonna sign up for that same dream.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, one of the things we talk a lot about is just this idea of like, I think church, we've we've kind of felt like there's like, you know, something happens, it happens by accident.
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SPEAKER_04: We don't see the the moves on the board from darkness, we don't see like the intent.
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SPEAKER_04: But I think that sometimes we've got to kind of pull back the curtain and really kind of name the villain and what we're up against.
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SPEAKER_04: And you kind of break it down kind of like to hey, here's three villains that we've gotta really understand like what we're up against.
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SPEAKER_04: Can you take us through it?
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SPEAKER_04: Just kind of help us understand like what is it we're really battling against?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, great question.
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SPEAKER_02: The the three enemies of every Christian are the world, the flesh, and the devil.
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SPEAKER_02: And that's just we see it in first first John.
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SPEAKER_02: This is this is let's just start with the world.
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SPEAKER_02: The world system isn't in favor of King Jesus, it's not in favor of the scripture, it's not in favor of generosity.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a pull, a culture, the stream of our world is running away from God and his kingdom.
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SPEAKER_02: For example, Jesus says there's a narrow road that leads to life and a wide road that leads to destruction.
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SPEAKER_02: The popular path in every generation has been not to follow Jesus.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, there's waves of revival, there's times when it swells beyond that, but in general, the world system is going against the kingdom of God.
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SPEAKER_02: The world of the flesh, uh, Paul in first uh Romans is describing we're we all have an internal battle.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not just that the evil world out there is pressing us into its mold, but within us, we're struggling with do I really want to follow and obey God?
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SPEAKER_02: Because my flesh is telling me that feels so pleasurable to chase something else.
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SPEAKER_02: And then the devil, of course, is the enemy of our souls coming to steal, kill, and destroy.
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SPEAKER_02: And he wants us to go after his ways.
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SPEAKER_02: He wants us to anchor into the love of money, the love of pleasure, the love of comfort, the love of self rather than the love of God.
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SPEAKER_02: And each Christian is going to learn to fight those.
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SPEAKER_02: I have a good friend who says that we fight those with generosity, humility, and integrity.
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SPEAKER_02: That when a Christian can achieve those character traits, attributes, when we can grow in those directions, uh, we're set free from those three traps of the enemy.
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SPEAKER_04: So come back to that first one because it's powerful to break those three down, and we see that we can be un we can unmask the villain.
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SPEAKER_04: Let's stare at like what the world's definition of wealth is compared to Jesus.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, break that down for us.
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SPEAKER_04: We know it's drastically different.
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SPEAKER_04: I like that phrase, you know, when you're watching like a movie with your kids, we do this.
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe it was the church that we've raised our kids in, is like spot the lie.
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SPEAKER_04: And we like look at a movie or we look at something in culture and you call it out and you say, Hey, that was subtle, you almost got that past me, but I'm gonna call out that.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's helpful.
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SPEAKER_02: What's the lie between the two?
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SPEAKER_02: Well, what what's what's fun about this question is the lies actually don't change.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so when we look back from what Jesus said, uh he said that uh that life is not found in the abundance of possessions.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the lie that Jesus was calling out back then.
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SPEAKER_02: So the lie would be life is found in the abundance of possessions.
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SPEAKER_02: And we still believe that.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we still think he who dies with the most toys wins, he who accumulates the most, he who's got the biggest bank account.
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SPEAKER_02: Elon Musk just this last week gets his trillion dollar pay package.
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SPEAKER_02: That looks like Forbes magazine is still publishing the 400 wealthiest Americans list every single year because that looks like winning.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, life is in the abundance of possessions.
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SPEAKER_02: That's where life is found.
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SPEAKER_02: Not just where that is success is found, but that leads to some kind of life that's a quality that's different, that's better than what Jesus and his kingdom have to offer.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, the other the other thing that comes to mind is Luke chapter 12, the man who built bigger barns.
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SPEAKER_02: In in this world and in our culture would be considered a massive success.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Congratulations, bumper crop, you're storing it up.
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SPEAKER_02: Eat, drink, and be merry.
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SPEAKER_02: Way to go.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And then Jesus flips it on its head and says, You're a fool.
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SPEAKER_02: Tonight your life will be required of you.
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SPEAKER_02: The abundance that came to you wasn't just for you, it was meant for you to steward, share, be generous, be rich in good works, and you missed it and you forfeited your life.
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SPEAKER_02: So I would say those two, those two lies come to me right off the bat, unmasking the villain.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the world's system.
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SPEAKER_04: Do you think I mean we've often said sometimes in faith-driven like this, we've fallen in this place where we serve one and a half masters, and we've made it socially acceptable to do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Like Yeah, Jesus says you cannot serve God in money, and we think that's a suggestion.
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SPEAKER_02: Because in America we want a little bit of God and a whole lot of money.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And Jesus actually, when he says you cannot serve them, I think what we should we should hear in that is it's impossible to do both.
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SPEAKER_02: One will dominate the other.
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SPEAKER_02: If we say we want both, mammon will be our master.
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SPEAKER_02: But if we say no, no, God is first and there is no second place, mammon, you're not, you don't get to play at this table.
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SPEAKER_02: I think that's the priority he would call us to make.
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SPEAKER_04: So some of the verses that we look at back at scripture, they're so stark.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, I mean, it is like so stark from where we are in this moment.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: When you talk about like generosity and you kind of go back to the very beginnings of this idea of like, man, like nobody was going hungry or nobody was going without help.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, just take us back to some of these things.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the beautiful early church in Acts 2, Acts 4, that's just so free, so open-handed.
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SPEAKER_02: And you wonder, how did they get there?
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SPEAKER_02: Because one of the things I love to say about this is radical generosity is normal Christianity.
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SPEAKER_02: What we see in Acts chapter 2 and Acts 4 is them being so moved by the Spirit of God, so in love with this community of God, overcome by the what God just did at Pentecost and the revival that's broken out, they're like, what are possessions?
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SPEAKER_02: Why would we hang on to stuff?
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SPEAKER_02: Barnabas sells this field, which I'm gonna think is his nest egg.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna think it's his future, his ability to pass on, make wealth, pass it on wealth to the next generation.
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SPEAKER_02: He sells it and lays it at the apostles' feet because God is on the move and he didn't want to miss it.
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SPEAKER_02: I think this is the kind of early church ethos that they had.
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SPEAKER_02: Generosity was so thick in the early church culture.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think we've lost some of that.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think part of it is that I want to serve God and money or and mammon.
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SPEAKER_04: It comes back to kind of some of that very beginning conversations, like if Jesus really is your true source of wealth, everything changes, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Like, I mean, there's something in this idea of like I don't I don't think Jesus is our most precious.
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SPEAKER_04: Jesus hasn't been that.
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SPEAKER_04: Is that the tragic indictment of where we stand right now?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's such a good question, too.
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SPEAKER_02: I think so.
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SPEAKER_02: But we have a we have another treasure.
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SPEAKER_02: But is is Jesus our true treasure?
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, he the Bible says, and Jesus said, where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
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SPEAKER_02: Where are our hearts?
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SPEAKER_02: Let's let's look at our money.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's see where where our money flows is is where our hearts are.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think if our hearts are with Jesus, he's our treasure, he's our security, he's our portion.
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SPEAKER_02: Um our bank account balance will reflect that.
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SPEAKER_04: So the early church's generosity, like it came from like staring the villain in the eye and like denying of self.
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SPEAKER_04: Right?
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SPEAKER_04: Like, I mean, like there was some freedom of like denying of self and and giving of that.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, is that the detox move that like today would everyone would say it's bold, it's dare I might say crazy in the world eye.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but do we need to lean into that bold move, that detox, to really kind of get back to the roots of this?
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I say that because when we think about lust as a as a an approach to how Jesus handles that, he says it's okay to be extreme.
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SPEAKER_02: Gouge your eye out.
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SPEAKER_02: Now we know that gouging your eye out, you could still lust with no eyes.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
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SPEAKER_02: But he's saying, take extreme measures to obey me and avoid sin.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, I think we've neglected to call our love of money what it actually is, which is greed.
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SPEAKER_02: We've neglected to name it as either the love of money, greed, selfishness, um, looking and treasuring the wrong things.
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SPEAKER_02: And when we don't, then we're never gonna actually repent of it.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're never gonna turn to it to something that's better and that ultimately satisfies and fulfills.
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SPEAKER_02: And so I'm hoping that we can come back to what the Bible actually says and learn to press in.
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SPEAKER_02: And sometimes I do think that means drastic measures.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, Jesus used drastic measures to call the rich young ruler, yeah, sell everything that you have.
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SPEAKER_02: And he said no.
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SPEAKER_02: But I often think, what if the rich young ruler had said yes?
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SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine?
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SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine?
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SPEAKER_02: He says, actually, you are worth it, Jesus.
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SPEAKER_02: You're worth everything.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe we go down in history with 13 disciples instead of 12.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe he goes on to see the blind receive sight, the deaf receive their hearing, the lame walk, the dead raised.
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SPEAKER_02: He gets the private teachings of the parables.
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SPEAKER_02: He gets to see Lazarus walk out of the tomb.
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SPEAKER_02: What would that be worth to you?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: What would that be worth to any of us?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But he missed it.
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SPEAKER_02: And the crazy thing is, he missed it because his eyes were on his possessions.
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SPEAKER_02: But I don't want to miss that.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: You don't want to miss that.
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SPEAKER_04: And that that's the get to versus the got to.
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SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, I mean, we've seen this as like this man, it's a sacrifice, it's something I'm losing.
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SPEAKER_04: But but but Christ is really clear in like, hey, when you lose this for my sake, like, look at what is gonna happen on the other side.
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SPEAKER_04: Look at the joy, look at the things.
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SPEAKER_04: And we miss the adventure to it, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think one of the wrong ways we think about it is we think of giving as losing.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, my bank account went down, therefore I've lost.
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SPEAKER_02: I think when we give to the kingdom of God, losing is impossible.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: It's impossible to lose.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: Because we stepped forward in faith, we stored up treasure in heaven, we obeyed what God commanded us to do, we reflected the heart of God, we contributed to a leader, a ministry, a church, some way that God's kingdom was advancing in the world.
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SPEAKER_02: That all of that is giving glory to God and good for our souls.
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SPEAKER_02: It blessed someone else.
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SPEAKER_02: It they resulted in thanksgiving to God.
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SPEAKER_02: They praise God as a result of your giving.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a win-win-win-win win-win.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not a loss.
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SPEAKER_02: Even if the money didn't quite get stewarded well, or that the ministry had a tough time, or they didn't bear the fruit that they're hoping, or achieve the goals that they really wanted, it was still a win for you.
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SPEAKER_02: You're still storing up treasure in heaven.
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SPEAKER_02: God's not going, oh man, the only people get treasure in heaven are the ones who succeed on earth with their ministry investments.
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SPEAKER_02: No, he's rewarding faith.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that you you it's impossible to lose when you give.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, one of the things I love about the work that you guys do is you tell the stories of people in this journey that they on that they're on, and you kind of talk about this gospel patron language.
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SPEAKER_04: Just walk us into that journey.
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SPEAKER_04: What are some of those stories, maybe building on what we just talked about, where people just said, like, man, this is the life that's fully alive.
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SPEAKER_04: This is the joy.
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SPEAKER_04: This was never a trade down.
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SPEAKER_04: And this is something the best trade I've ever made.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I love the stories of gospel patrons throughout history and scripture because they do take the vision of the Bible and the teaching of the New Testament, they just put it in flesh and bones.
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SPEAKER_02: And yeah, you gotta see it embodied.
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SPEAKER_02: I was transformed by hearing that the English Bible that I read every day and have had since I was a little kid was a gift.
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SPEAKER_02: That behind the person who translated it 500 years ago, William Tyndale had a cloth merchant who funded him to do it and took the risk with him when it was an illegal task.
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SPEAKER_02: There was a businessman willing to step forward in faith because they believed that putting a Bible into English for the very first time in history was a worthy endeavor and would give glory to God.
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SPEAKER_02: Or the fact that the Great Awakening in the 18th century would not have happened without the patronage or support of a wealthy and aristocratic woman that the Lord raised up to support George Whitfield and John Wesley to preach the gospel as traveling evangelists.
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SPEAKER_02: Or the fact that we would never be singing the hymn Amazing Grace, most sung, most recorded, most loved hymn in the history of the world, was a little country church hymn written for a small congregation of 200 people, until the wealthiest businessman in all of England heard about it, met John Newton, the guy who wrote Amazing Grace, and said, These hymns are pretty good.
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SPEAKER_02: If you would take the trouble to put them in a hymn book, I would take the expense to buy the first thousand copies and distribute it among my wealthy and influential friends.
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SPEAKER_02: In more modern history, the most successful evangelistic tool in the history of the world is this thing called the Jesus film.
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SPEAKER_02: Produced in 1979 in Israel.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was a huge price tag to create that film back then.
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SPEAKER_02: And they were having a really difficult time raising money to actually do it.
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SPEAKER_02: And in this very small fundraising venue, there's like five people in the room, and the producers are pitching the vision for it.
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SPEAKER_02: There was a couple sitting in the back, Bunker and Caroline Hunt, very Texan.
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SPEAKER_02: Bunker leans over to his wife Caroline and says, What do you think if we help those old boys get that film made?
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SPEAKER_02: And Caroline said, Bunker, I think that'd just be wonderful.
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SPEAKER_02: And they made a commitment for five million dollars.
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SPEAKER_02: What's interesting is the next year they went bankrupt.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Well, they had a business in silver in Africa.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: The laws changed.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: They ended up with they had basically a monopoly of on silver in Africa.
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SPEAKER_02: And when the laws changed that weren't in their favor, they had a tax bill that they couldn't pay.
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SPEAKER_02: And in talking with Bunker and Caroline Hunt, saying, How did you process that?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, would you wish you would have saved that five million dollars to you know secure yourself or make this easier?
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SPEAKER_02: And they said it was the best five million dollars they ever spent.
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SPEAKER_02: The best investment they've ever made.
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SPEAKER_02: That was their language.
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SPEAKER_02: Why?
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SPEAKER_02: Because 45 years later, 650 million people have said, I'm gonna follow Jesus after watching that film in over 2,000 languages, and it's still bearing fruit today.
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SPEAKER_02: But did they lose because they went bankrupt?
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SPEAKER_04: Not a chance.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: But so much of that.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, coming back to the Barnes conversation, but like it was one of the things that when we think about faith-driven ambassadors, this idea of seeds versus silos.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, like, how do we really see this of like scattering the seeds and not building the barns?
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SPEAKER_04: And I think people look at that story and like there's something so powerful and profound, but not in the fact that you hear that story, like, man, they just went up and to the right.
18:04
SPEAKER_04: But that is the thing that you know stories are told of.
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SPEAKER_04: That's the Hollywood line of what movies are made about, is it's like people that can stay true to a mission despite all of those circumstances.
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SPEAKER_04: I think the other thing that's powerful in this moment is really recognizing like many of these things are too big for one person to do alone.
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SPEAKER_04: I think that we all kind of romanticize the lone wolf, whether it be the ministry, the pastor, the entrepreneur, the business leader.
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SPEAKER_04: But so many of those stories, it really is a partnership.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's really a ministry leader, an entrepreneur, some sort of combination of something coming together in that.
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SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what I loved about it is no pastor, preacher, evangelist, missionary is meant to do it alone.
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SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing that struck me Jesus himself could have provided for his own ministry of three years traveling village to village, town to town, preaching, and he didn't.
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SPEAKER_02: He could have said, you know, I can change fishes and loaves, I can multiply them, we've got baskets of leftovers, just save those, and we'll just keep funding the three years of traveling with the disciples, and that's how we're gonna eat.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:10
SPEAKER_02: It's not what he did.
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SPEAKER_02: He could have said to Peter, hey, remember when I told you to let down the fish?
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SPEAKER_02: Do that again.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: Here's the spot.
19:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're to start a great fish market and fund ministry that way.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: He didn't do it.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: The best one, my favorite, is they could have said, you know what, this minute funding ministry is gonna be easy.
19:25
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SPEAKER_02: This is gonna be sold all over the world and funding ministry, no problem.
19:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but Jesus never used his own miraculous powers to provide for himself.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: Instead, he put himself in a position of dependence on his father and on gospel patrons.
19:49
SPEAKER_02: Luke chapter 8 tells us the way his ministry was funded was three women, three generous women who stepped forward with names, Mary, Joanna, and Susanna, who provided for him out of their means.
20:00
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21:23
SPEAKER_04: There's something so deep there.
21:24
SPEAKER_04: And I know that we we've both done work with Illuminations, and you guys have told some incredible stories of patrons that have been a part of Bible translation and other things.
21:32
SPEAKER_04: And I think there's something so beautiful, even about this collaboration when people come together, is like saying, hey, we're equal partners on this.
21:41
SPEAKER_04: Whether you give or whether you build, whether you take this or whatever it is.
21:45
SPEAKER_04: But just that level setting of a mindset.
21:47
SPEAKER_04: The world tries to take us into a place of hierarchy.
21:52
SPEAKER_04: But to bringing it to a place of like, hey, we're all bringing our loaves and fish.
21:57
SPEAKER_04: That's there's something, as you said, beautiful about.
22:00
SPEAKER_04: The way the body's designed to work together.
22:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's right.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:03
SPEAKER_02: I mean, when I was a young businessman, I thought that um business leaders were second-class Christians.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: I thought that God's varsity team was the preachers and evangelists and missionaries and those people and everyone else was JV.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Um not because anyone ever spoke that to me, but it just it was just felt like a perception that we all understand who who the real all-stars are on the team.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: And the more I get to know and have over the last decade Christian business leaders and professionals from all over the world, I see they're exercising incredible faith to do what they do every day.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: To run a business, to lead a company, to start something from fresh to from scratch, to be an entrepreneur takes a lot of faith.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: And they're integrating their faith more and more and more in what they do every day.
22:46
SPEAKER_02: The beautiful thing is then when you succeed, you ask, what's it for?
22:49
SPEAKER_02: When you succeed in your career or your profession, you get rewarded in two ways.
22:53
SPEAKER_02: You get more money or more attention.
22:55
SPEAKER_02: And the question is, are those the rewards that you were after?
22:59
SPEAKER_02: Or are those a means to even a greater reward?
23:02
SPEAKER_02: And when a business person succeeds and gets more money and attention, but lays that back down like Barnabas did when he sold his field and put it at the apostles' feet, that's when the world changes.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:13
SPEAKER_04: Now, I don't want to swing too far back into like the got to and the obligation.
23:18
SPEAKER_04: And yet, we need to be a person of history that says, hey, Jesus speaks clearly, like this is an area where you're, you know, I don't know, one and a half and gray masters or whatever it is, like you slide into those gray areas.
23:32
SPEAKER_04: There's a specific example he points to, and I I think you were making the point earlier is like this is not an old testament conversation, this is really a new testament conversation.
23:41
SPEAKER_04: So what's what do we need to be careful of when we think about generosity in stepping into this moment?
23:48
SPEAKER_02: Well, the surprising thing in the book of Acts was that the culture of generosity was so thick, the DNA of generosity in the early church was so thick that people were prepared to copy it in order to get status within the church.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: Ananias and Sapphira step forward and give a sizable, significant gift to the early church right after Barnabas sells his field.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: The problem is their hearts aren't in the right place.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: They're lying about it, they're hiding it, they're using it for their own personal stature and almost to put a spotlight on themselves.
24:18
SPEAKER_02: This is almost unbelievable.
24:20
SPEAKER_04: It's unbelievable, and I love you you said this in something that you guys wrote up recently.
24:24
SPEAKER_04: You said God carried a church, uh God struck down in that moment a church-going couple that stepped forward to give but missed a piece.
24:37
SPEAKER_04: Like that idea today of thinking about that happening at church, that's pretty startling.
24:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we might expect something like that in the Old Testament.
24:46
SPEAKER_02: God's gonna kill somebody who's, you know, doing something wrong or hiding when they shouldn't be.
24:52
SPEAKER_02: This is New Testament Christianity.
24:54
SPEAKER_02: God killed a couple who was prepared to fake their generosity to gain status for themselves.
24:59
SPEAKER_02: God is holy, God is jealous for his own glory, he doesn't want pretending, he doesn't want hiding.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: And he, in that context, he didn't want the local church that's bursting at the seams with life polluted all of a sudden.
25:12
SPEAKER_02: And so he says it's time for judgment.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: We do have to guard our hearts with giving.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: God's not glorified by guilted givers, God's not glorified by selfish givers, God's not glorified by manipulated givers, God's glorified by cheerful givers.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: Second chronicle, 2 Corinthians 9 talks about that.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: God wants us to give freely and cheerfully and willingly.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: And when we're not in that position, we need to either ask God, change my heart, or lead me in the way that my heart would be aligned with your kingdom and purposes.
25:42
SPEAKER_04: I think it's a it's a stark reminder that even the best of things and mechanics, like if our heart is not there, but the outward walks through those motions, like there is danger in all of that.
25:53
SPEAKER_04: Like we we can look at an activity and say, Oh, well, surely this is noble, this is good, but but God's looking into that heart and saying, like, hey, are you mocking?
26:02
SPEAKER_04: Are you lying?
26:03
SPEAKER_04: Are you thinking that you are hiding this from me?
26:06
SPEAKER_04: Like, not to again put us into a place of fear, but in a place of saying, like, this is what can happen when you're at that one and a half masters.
26:15
SPEAKER_04: This is the danger of that, because the world presented as safe, yeah, but we have to see that it's a very dangerous slippery slope.
26:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, God's holy and he's not to be trifled with, and we're meant to fear God.
26:29
SPEAKER_02: That's the beginning of wisdom is to acknowledge my life is not my own.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm a created being.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: There is a creator, and I'm accountable to him.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: I will stand before him one day with what I did with my life.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: And we are not not meant to trifle with a holy God.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: We're meant to worship him as he's designed, as he's specified for us.
26:49
SPEAKER_02: And and that instance in the book of Acts was shocking, startling, still is, and is a good reminder of who we're dealing with.
26:56
SPEAKER_04: So take as people are listening to this, we started off just kind of diving in the deep end of like what are the villains that we're facing?
27:02
SPEAKER_04: What are the challenges?
27:03
SPEAKER_04: What are the words?
27:04
SPEAKER_04: What are the messages?
27:04
SPEAKER_04: What are the opportunities?
27:05
SPEAKER_04: But you have a story.
27:07
SPEAKER_04: Like you've, as you said, like you had a story of like, hey, this wasn't where I was at the beginning.
27:13
SPEAKER_04: Tell us how you got to this place where you just say, Man, this is the road that we should be on.
27:18
SPEAKER_02: Generosity is a journey, it's it's been a long journey for me.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't one that I grew up, you know, thinking about.
27:24
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't that my family taught me this, it wasn't that I had a pastor or any any church come alongside me in this.
27:31
SPEAKER_02: My wife is incredibly generous, gifted with the spiritual gift of generosity.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: We sometimes forget that's even a spiritual gift.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: And her parents have that gift, her grandparents had that gift.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: And so I began learning from their family, oh, actually, giving's a pleasure, giving's a joy, giving's a get-to, not a have to.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it wasn't until I started succeeding in my business career at 25 that I began going, what's all this for?
27:53
SPEAKER_02: When God blesses us with more money, is it just for a bigger lifestyle?
27:57
SPEAKER_02: Is it just for fancier things, a bigger house, a faster car?
28:00
SPEAKER_02: Or is there a bigger vision for what this could contribute to?
28:03
SPEAKER_02: And that wasn't a conversation happening in our community.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, I didn't know what to do with it.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: But I began to lose motivation for what am I going to work for?
28:13
SPEAKER_02: Just to trade time for money?
28:15
SPEAKER_02: Or could there be a bigger vision?
28:17
SPEAKER_02: God sent us on a long journey where I went to seminary for four years.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: We took a 132-day trip around the world when we were done in order to become global Christians and to learn to walk by faith.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: And in that experience, I was wrestling with a big tension between I got business skills in one hand and a passion for God and his kingdom in the other.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: And I'm pretty sure those things don't overlap until I met a modern-day gospel patron, a businessman in Sydney, Australia.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: He was a managing partner of a private equity firm.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: We had a mutual friend who said, ask him about this idea called gospel patrons.
28:46
SPEAKER_02: And they did over coffee, and it changed the course of my life because he began to share those historical stories that behind every great movement of God in history, there's always been these gospel patrons, these people who go first in giving, they lead with generosity, and they're often business and professional people who've succeeded and been blessed by God and go, that's not for them, that's for the kingdom.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, in the Old Testament, we see that the kings weren't meant to, the Israel's kings weren't meant to amass wealth for themselves.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: Solomon totally broke that.
29:17
SPEAKER_02: He lost it, and all of a sudden he's self-destructed.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: But the Israelite kings were not meant to amass wealth for themselves.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: God does bless some with the ability to acquire resources more than he blesses other people with that, but it's for the overall good of the kingdom.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: And I think the same is true in the New Testament with these people we call gospel patrons.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: God gives the ability to create wealth, he also gives the ability to give wealth to some, not all, because there's a unique part of the body.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: And when those people can begin to see, oh, it's not just for me.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm meant to be a blessing to the whole body of Christ.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: That's when life gets really exciting.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: So I began to see that generosity is the quickest path to joy there is.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: Now, there's lots of researchers talking about that, even, you know, not even from a faith perspective, saying the generous people are the happiest people.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Generosity leads to joy.
30:04
SPEAKER_04: I think this is a big thing.
30:05
SPEAKER_04: Because I think a lot of people hear this and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, bumper, sticker, t-shirt sounds great.
30:12
SPEAKER_04: Then they see some stories and they see, like, okay, there's anecdotal evidence.
30:16
SPEAKER_04: There's some people that have a better life, they experience the joy.
30:19
SPEAKER_04: That's probably a good idea.
30:20
SPEAKER_04: But we're going beyond that.
30:22
SPEAKER_04: Like, we're now into the data part of the conversation that's saying, like, hey, this, there's, as we say in investor world, pattern recognition here.
30:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:29
SPEAKER_04: Like, that's right.
30:30
SPEAKER_04: Take us into some of the data what you want to do.
30:31
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's funny that the data is matching up with what Jesus said 2,000 years ago.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: Strange, isn't it?
30:35
SPEAKER_02: Acts chapter 20, verse 35.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: Jesus said, Remember the words of the Lord Jesus who said it's more blessed to give than receive.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: It's more happy making to give than to receive.
30:46
SPEAKER_02: And any parent would actually know this.
30:48
SPEAKER_02: Rather than getting a Christmas present yourself, to watch the smile and the joy on your children's faces to open a gift, we're like, oh, that that's worth the whole thing.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't even need a gift this year.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, but there are, there's a Harvard um professor who's done a lot of work on this.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: I I won't, I think his name's Arthur Brooks.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: And he's written on it, he's spoken on it, he's got some YouTube videos on it to say, actually, the science continues to prove uh holding money for ourselves doesn't satisfy.
31:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: But learning to give it away, that's where real joy and real happiness are found.
31:18
SPEAKER_04: I think it there's also something profound in like just this mystery of God and seeing God work.
31:23
SPEAKER_04: Like we always talk about the loaves and the fish and the boy that brought it all and gave it all.
31:27
SPEAKER_04: And Henry talks about this often as this, like, you know, you look in scripture, you hear a lot of names.
31:34
SPEAKER_04: You hear a lot of names in some books where it's only almost all names.
31:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but we never know the boy's name.
31:40
SPEAKER_04: That's interesting.
31:41
SPEAKER_04: But we don't hear the boy's name that gave it all in that moment.
31:45
SPEAKER_04: But can you imagine like being that boy in that moment?
31:48
SPEAKER_04: Just like seeing like wow, look at what God did.
31:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I didn't go up front, I didn't name's not recorded.
31:58
SPEAKER_04: But isn't that the beauty of it, right?
32:00
SPEAKER_04: Is this like being able to sit back and be just a part of the wave that God built?
32:05
SPEAKER_02: The amazing gift of generosity is we can contribute to what God is doing around the world and still do the thing He's made us to do at home.
32:13
SPEAKER_02: If you want to serve what God's doing in Vietnam, get behind an organization, a leader, a missionary, a church plant.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: You want to do the same in England?
32:21
SPEAKER_02: You can do both and still live in Dallas.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:24
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that wild?
32:26
SPEAKER_02: You can support what God's doing in Dallas and you can get behind something in South Africa through your generosity.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: The wild thing is that Jesus says those who give get an equal reward with those who go.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: Matthew chapter 10, he's giving the outline to his disciples of here's how you, I'm sending you out, here's the instructions.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: And at the end, he says, if anyone uh hosts you, essentially, if anyone receives you, if anyone's a generous host and you stay in their home, uh a prophet and they get a prophet's reward.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: If they host a righteous person because he is a righteous person, they get a righteous person's reward.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: Paul says the same in Philippians when the Philippian church got behind him.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: He says, I'm not doing this because I need your money.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I'm I'm considering the fruit that accrues to your credit because you helped fund me.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: So it's not only we get the joy of participating in what God's doing, but when we stand before him in heaven, the things that we contributed to and the work that then they went on to do.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, think of it like investing.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: What would you like to invest in and see a return?
33:25
SPEAKER_02: The greatest compounding investment we can talk about.
33:27
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: For all eternity.
33:29
SPEAKER_02: I want lots of friends in heaven from all over the world.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: And if we invest in those ways, who knows what God will do?
33:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:36
SPEAKER_04: So take us in this because I love the why.
33:38
SPEAKER_04: I love like we're recalibrating with this.
33:40
SPEAKER_04: We're going back to the early church and to saying how stark of a difference it is from where we are today.
33:47
SPEAKER_04: But I also want you to take us into these gospel patrons because I think there's something unique about the story of like the world screams at us right now as like, oh, every current event, everything that's happening in the world, you need to have a thought and a process and a response and give to it, talk about it, speak to it.
34:05
SPEAKER_04: And yet you look at these stories of gospel patrons.
34:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they found a couple of things that they got fired out about.
34:11
SPEAKER_04: Some of them may just found one thing and they went all in on it.
34:14
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
34:14
SPEAKER_04: Like there's an intentionality.
34:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:17
SPEAKER_04: There's a like we're so reactive today.
34:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
34:20
SPEAKER_04: And spread so thin, not just in our calendar and our schedule, but maybe even in our giving.
34:26
SPEAKER_04: Like, can you talk about what you've learned from these patrons that have said, like, hey, this is the thing, the fight we feel called to fight.
34:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think your assessment's true.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: In in many conversations I've had over the last 10 years, people had said the difference that the gospel patrons movement has made for them is number one, it validated a sense of calling that they had as a business or a professional person.
34:46
SPEAKER_02: That I'm not a second-class Christian.
34:47
SPEAKER_02: God has a plan for me, a place for me.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: He's used people like me in the past and he's inviting me into his plan.
34:52
SPEAKER_02: But second, they said, you know, our giving was really either sporadic or kind of widespread.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't focused, it wasn't intentional.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: And that's where the joy is found.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: That's where real impact is found as well.
35:04
SPEAKER_02: In my newest book, 31 Gospel Patrons, we interviewed 31 different modern-day professional and business leaders.
35:10
SPEAKER_02: And in interviewing one woman, she said that Jesus very clearly led her and her husband to say, not everything that has Jesus' name on it has their name on it.
35:19
SPEAKER_02: And I found that really helpful.
35:21
SPEAKER_02: She said, just because it's a Jesus project doesn't mean it belongs to us as well.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: He will raise up people to do all kinds of things in the kingdom, but he will call us to a unique obedience on a few.
35:31
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes that's based on your personal story, your personal experience, your unique understanding, your unique relationships.
35:37
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes he'll call you something that you don't have any background or experience with.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: But I think the real contribution and joy is when you can go deep with a few and then watch what God's going to do.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: Go in big, increase your generosity in a few.
35:49
SPEAKER_02: And many, many gospel patrons have done that over the years.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: And it leads to when you go in big with something, it tends to pull not only your dollars that way, but your heart, your time, your talent, your relationships.
36:00
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where the joy comes for many gospel patrons as well.
36:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm not just writing a check and walking away.
36:05
SPEAKER_02: The elements of gospel patrons, or we'd call them the three marks of a gospel patron, would be that they're financially invested, they're personally involved in someone's ministry that's advancing the gospel.
36:15
SPEAKER_02: So it's not just generosity, it's also personal involvement.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: But when you give in a bigger way, you tend to want to be involved, you want to pray, you want to come alongside the leaders, you want to ask how you can help, you want to get to know them, you care about the outcome a little bit more when you're invested in a bigger way.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: And I think that also pulls our hearts to the joy piece, like, oh, when they succeed or when they're in trials, I'm with them.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: And when they experience victories, we can rejoice together.
36:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:40
SPEAKER_04: There not only is it together, but like when you give intentionally in a direction, not only do you get to know that team, you get to feel a part of that team.
36:46
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
36:47
SPEAKER_04: And I think that like every one of us since kids, like one of the greatest things was being a part of that first basketball team, that first soccer team, the joy that you felt with doing it with friends.
36:56
SPEAKER_04: There's something that God wires into those early life experiences.
37:00
SPEAKER_04: We get to do that again, but about something that's going to echo so much further than those junior high basketball teams, right?
37:07
SPEAKER_04: Like it's it's the joy of doing it together.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Exactly, exactly.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: And that's what that's what I've loved and our family's loved about our giving and gospel patrons partnerships is coming alongside people like that and going, we care about what they're doing, we're invested, we pray, we get their letters, we actually read them, you know, we're in with them.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: And it's been a joy to see others do that as well.
37:28
SPEAKER_04: Awesome.
37:29
SPEAKER_04: Long overdue to do this.
37:30
SPEAKER_04: Let's do it again sometime.
37:32
SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
37:32
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Justin.
37:33
SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much.
37:34
SPEAKER_04: Friends, you know that at the end of every episode, we love to leave you with clear next steps on how to get involved.
37:39
SPEAKER_04: We don't want this to just be inspiration and come up short of action.
37:42
SPEAKER_04: So here's my encouragement: fall in love with a story, find a story, discover a story.
37:47
SPEAKER_04: You're gonna see yourself in some of these stories.
37:48
SPEAKER_04: So as you pick up the Gospel Patrons book and the most recent one that John's talking about, I want you to look through that through the eyes of like, what is God revealing to you?
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SPEAKER_04: What is God calling you to?
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SPEAKER_04: What's the fight that he might be asking you to fight?
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SPEAKER_04: Not alone, but with friends.
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SPEAKER_04: Maybe that's your family, being on mission together, maybe that's with other entrepreneurs, finding a collaborative thing to give towards.
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SPEAKER_04: But find your squad, find your people, get involved in the fight and find ways to do it together.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what are your next steps?
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SPEAKER_00: Give together, meet friends, and discover how you can go further.
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SPEAKER_00: Pick a fund and step into the story.
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SPEAKER_00: Breakthroughs are happening right now.
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SPEAKER_00: God is already at work, and you're invited to join him.
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