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Patriots Catch-22 12/24: Takeaways from Win Over Ravens, Film Breakdown, 3 Up/Down, Jets Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcast. Lazar and Alex.
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  Speaker 2: Carm Bla, Blazarre and Lazarn.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, everybody nailed it.
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  Speaker 2: Joined has always Dad. Here is Evan, Lazar and Alex cars.
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  Speaker 1: What incentive is there for the Raiders to throw the
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  Speaker 1: ball in the scambodies zero? I would not be surprised
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  Speaker 1: the Rams come out run the ball thirty sometimes if
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots opened the door for him. The Bill showed
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  Speaker 1: that just because you're behind multiple scores on the Patriots,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't mean you need to stop running the football.
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  Speaker 1: So this is where you're gonna have a chance, hopefully
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  Speaker 1: like Patriot Dian in early lead, you're gonna have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to kind of write the wrongs from last week
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  Speaker 1: because in Beery Down twenty one nothing you should stop
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  Speaker 1: running the ball. Bill's double down on running the ball
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  Speaker 1: in the works. Yeah, I would not be surprised when
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens take the same philosophy. If they fall behind, well.
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  Speaker 2: You're pretty much right.
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  Speaker 1: I think they kind of.
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  Speaker 2: They think they dropped back twenty two times in this game.
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  Speaker 1: So I was half right when I said there's no
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  Speaker 1: reason to stop running the ball. I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: implied with Derek Henry. At no point did I consider
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  Speaker 1: you would pull Derek Henry from the game. But that's
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  Speaker 1: a that's another point of common.
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  Speaker 2: One second, I gotta I forgot to tweet out the show.
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  Speaker 1: You forgot to tweet out, you forgot to tweet out
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  Speaker 1: the show, everybody. I forgot to go to tweet out.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I wait until Patriots dot Com tweets it,
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  Speaker 1: because they do it with the live feed.
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  Speaker 2: And I usually tweet like ten minutes before I tweet
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  Speaker 2: a little a little tease, and I forgot to do that.
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  Speaker 2: It's been it's been a little busy the last couple
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  Speaker 2: of days, a little busy. Hello, Hi, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth,
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  Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two, Alex behind the Glass, Happy Holidays,
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  Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, which feels weird coming from us, but Marry Christmas,
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  Speaker 2: Happy New Year, you know, all that good stuff. Christmas
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  Speaker 2: Eve show here for you guys, and we're gonna keep
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  Speaker 2: it to football, and as we always do on this program,
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  Speaker 2: and we are going to talk about this Ravens game.
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  Speaker 2: But before we do that, there was a ton of news.
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  Speaker 1: Leave it to you know. I'm filming on the radio
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  Speaker 1: bunch this week. And so yesterday wasn't. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, there's no Patriots availability. I'm not on the
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  Speaker 1: like good day to take it easy before like I'm
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  Speaker 1: the one that like, oh it's Christmas. Wow, my work
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  Speaker 1: schedule gets really busy all of a sudden, and then
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  Speaker 1: just news news, news, like all day it was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll get to the good, the bat and
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that gets to be and break down this
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  Speaker 2: big fourth quarter comeback against Baltimore. But we got to
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  Speaker 2: get to this news off the top of the show.
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  Speaker 2: That happened yesterday really just a ton of it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: We got Pro Bowls, we got injuries, we got contract extensions,
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  Speaker 2: all the way down the board. So it just is
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  Speaker 2: a busy day.
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  Speaker 1: This is like your old old Patriots Beat episode. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just opening up. Hey, here's the news of the day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: reacting to everything.
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  Speaker 2: It is a busy day yesterday it turned out to be.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going to be when I
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  Speaker 2: woke up yesterday morning, but it turned out to be.
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  Speaker 2: So I kind of put this in the good and
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  Speaker 2: the bad of the injuries of the news. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: start with the good stuff because I think that's you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's just start with some positives. So I think the
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  Speaker 2: number one thing that is probably on the good side
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  Speaker 2: is that Milton Williams is back at Patriots practice this week.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots yesterday officially started his twenty one day clock,
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  Speaker 2: and it is expected that he is going to be
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  Speaker 2: activated off injured reserve and play again this season. Now
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  Speaker 2: we'll see about Sunday, and that kind of gets into
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  Speaker 2: a conversation that we'll probably have more in the second
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  Speaker 2: hour of the show about these next two weeks and
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  Speaker 2: kind of how you handle it and all that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff with the Patriots headed to the playoffs. But
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  Speaker 2: Milton Williams back at practice, talked to the media yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: said that he feels ready to go. Obviously wants to
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  Speaker 2: test out that ankle in practice and make sure that
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have any setbacks, but feels good and looks
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  Speaker 2: like he's coming back, and you know that's huge.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they are entire run.
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  Speaker 2: Defenses fallen apart since he got hurt, and there's other
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  Speaker 2: injuries that coincide with that, which is why those on
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  Speaker 2: off the field stats are always a little bit wonky.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, you have Robert Splaine's injury you have
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  Speaker 2: Kiros Tonga in and out of the lineup during that
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  Speaker 2: period of time as well. But from week eleven to now,
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  Speaker 2: the last four games without Milton Williams, and really it
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  Speaker 2: was five because he didn't really play against the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: He played eight snaps against the Jets in that Thursday
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  Speaker 2: night game and then sat the rest of that game
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  Speaker 2: as well. So when you put it all together, they
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  Speaker 2: went from like a top ten run defense to a
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  Speaker 2: bottom five run defense. I think it was like fourth
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  Speaker 2: in RUSH EPA to twenty ninth. Is this split without
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  Speaker 2: Millon Williams. He also obviously was right up there top
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  Speaker 2: five in the league in terms of pressure rate and
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  Speaker 2: win rate and all those good things in the past
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  Speaker 2: Rush too. So he was a huge, huge part of
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  Speaker 2: this team and they need him to be the guy
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  Speaker 2: that he was pre injury. If they're gonna have a
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  Speaker 2: deep playoff runt, they need Milton Williams. So it's good
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  Speaker 2: to see him back at practice. We'll see him in
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  Speaker 2: the flesh out of practice this afternoon, but at least
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  Speaker 2: we were told yesterday that he was out at practice.
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  Speaker 1: And they officially activated him on the wire. Yeah that's
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  Speaker 1: the plan. Yeah, we talked about it last week, and
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  Speaker 1: you've been getting the question, I know. I'm sure you've
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  Speaker 1: been getting the question. I know I've been getting the question,
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  Speaker 1: what can they do about the run game? Like schematically,
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  Speaker 1: what are they doing wrong? And look, they came out
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  Speaker 1: with essentially six down linemen. Yeah on Sunday night, still
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  Speaker 1: couldn't start. They were playing like an old school for
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  Speaker 1: like the three linebackers standing up behind the defensive line.
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  Speaker 1: You really never see that anymore. Yeah, and they still
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  Speaker 1: couldn't stop it. So it's as like I said, there's
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  Speaker 1: maybe minor tweaks you can make here and there, but
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  Speaker 1: it has been it's a personnel thing. So getting him back,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see where Robert Splaine's at as well. That can
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  Speaker 1: only help.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're one hundred percent right and this you know this.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get more into this with the game recap. But
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  Speaker 2: in this game, they played thirty snaps in base defense.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of those were in that like heavy base
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  Speaker 2: defense where there's only three defensive backs on the field. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and the Ravens average five and a half yards to
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  Speaker 2: carry against base defense. So they still couldn't stop the
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  Speaker 2: run even when they put the big boys out there.
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  Speaker 2: So having Milton Williams back is going to be massive.
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  Speaker 2: I'd also say it's been a frustrating four weeks for
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  Speaker 2: Christian Barmore without his his buddy in there and the inside.
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  Speaker 2: He's had double teams, you know, like he likes to
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  Speaker 2: say to me, you know, he's got four hands on
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  Speaker 2: him all the time, right, Like there's just bodies on
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  Speaker 2: him all the time. Run game, Pass game. He has
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  Speaker 2: been the Tuesday player. He has been the guy that's
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  Speaker 2: been circled every single week. His lack of one on
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  Speaker 2: ones is telling on the tape without Milton Williams helping
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  Speaker 2: him out there on the inside. So other than Patriots
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  Speaker 2: fans in Milton Williams, I think the happiest person on
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  Speaker 2: earth that Milon Williams is back as Christian Barmore, because
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  Speaker 2: I think the last month has been hard on him
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  Speaker 2: without Milon Williams in there. All Right. The other good
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  Speaker 2: bit of Patriots news that I think is really kind
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  Speaker 2: of low key important news is extending Ben Brown, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is a sneaky good extension. I cannot tell
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  Speaker 2: you how valuable it is to have a super sub
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  Speaker 2: on the inside or swing tackle on the outside that
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  Speaker 2: you can come in play all three interior positions, play
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  Speaker 2: that jumbo tight end role if you want him to
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  Speaker 2: do that as well, and play it at a starting caliber.
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  Speaker 2: Clip He's been good in both of his spots starts.
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  Speaker 2: I think he might start again on Sunday with Jerry
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  Speaker 2: Wilson in concussion protocol, so he might get the start
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  Speaker 2: at left guard again. This is a valuable guy to have.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that sixth offensive is a really difficult role
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  Speaker 2: to fill for a lot of teams. You know, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams don't have five starting caliber offensive lineman,
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  Speaker 2: let alone six, and I think the Patriots might have
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  Speaker 2: six with Ben Brown. So I've heard a lot of
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  Speaker 2: you know, Ted Carris comparisons with him. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: a good comp you know, he's kind of the new
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  Speaker 2: Ted Carris for the Patriots. So it's good to see
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  Speaker 2: them lock up a guy like Ben Brown who was
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  Speaker 2: going to be a restricted free agent at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year. Reared him with a contract extension, but
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  Speaker 2: also keep their depth on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good move. Like you said, the depths important.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Garret Bradbury is still signed for
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  Speaker 1: another year, but it's no guaranteed money, so if they
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  Speaker 1: needn't move some pieces around, he gives them some flexibility
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  Speaker 1: there as well as Jared Wilson the ability to play
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  Speaker 1: left guard and center. So I've been a big fan
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  Speaker 1: of Ben Brown. I think that's known. And look back
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: in camp, remember it didn't look like he was going
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  Speaker 1: to make the team, and he plays his way into
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  Speaker 1: the backup role and now he's played well in some
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  Speaker 1: spots starts, and Mike Rabel said he like program player.
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  Speaker 1: That's the guy you kind of point to when everybody
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: else asks, like, what's the program about? How should I
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  Speaker 1: handle myself? How should I go about my business? You
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  Speaker 1: point he's not the only one in the room, but
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  Speaker 1: you point to a guy like Ben Brown and say
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're looking for. And so you need a
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  Speaker 1: couple of guys like that around and obviously they need
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  Speaker 1: to be able to play to justify keeping them around,
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  Speaker 1: and Ben Brown can do that and can do both.
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  Speaker 1: So happy for him, good to see him, good move
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  Speaker 1: to keep him, And it really tells you to your point.
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  Speaker 1: He's a restricted free agent, yes, so they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to worry about negotiating against like they could have tendered
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  Speaker 1: him and and just moved on. I think this tells
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  Speaker 1: you how highly they think of him. That you don't
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: usually see restricted free agents sign extensions in season. That's
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  Speaker 1: pretty rare. I can't remember too many instances of that,
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  Speaker 1: And again, it just speaks to how high they are
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  Speaker 1: on him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this basically doubles up what he would have gotten
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  Speaker 2: as a restricted free agent, So he would have probably
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: gotten around two and a half three million, depending on
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  Speaker 2: which tender they gave him. So they gave him six
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  Speaker 2: with this contract. So it's basically like they tacked on
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: two restricted free agent tenders and into right, so they
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  Speaker 2: gave him two right, right, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So you can restricted for agent for a year.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So they were able to lock him up. But
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  Speaker 2: like I said, uh, there's a dearth of that's the
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  Speaker 2: right word, right, there's a dirt of offensive line depth
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  Speaker 2: throughout the entire.
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  Speaker 1: NFL, And that would be correct.
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  Speaker 2: Ben Brown is having a guy on your roster like
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  Speaker 2: Ben Brown is extremely valuable to these teams. And so
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  Speaker 2: that was good to see. And I had this last thing.
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  Speaker 2: I think him adding the ability or showing the ability
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: to play guard is also really big. You know, he
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: came in as a center he played center for them
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: last year and Drake May's rookie season, and now he's
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: shown that he can play at least left guard. He
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: has I don't think he's played right guard in the
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: game yet, but he's at least shown that he can
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: play left guard, which I'm sure means he can play
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: right guard. So he has true three position versus satility,
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: so he can really play four different positions because if
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: you had the muscle tight end or the jumbo tight
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  Speaker 2: end role into that as well. So Ben Brown extension,
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  Speaker 2: Melon Williams back at practice. The third thing here that
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  Speaker 2: happened yesterday was the Pro Bowl Pro Bowl announcements. Patriots
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  Speaker 2: have two Pro Bowlers, Drake May, which I think was
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: the easiest one to predict ever, and Christian Zalez gets
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  Speaker 2: his first Pro Bowl nomination. This just starting with Christian
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: Zales real quick. He easily should have been a Pro
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  Speaker 2: Bowler last year. He had a better year last year
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  Speaker 2: and was a second team All Pro. But oftentimes you
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  Speaker 2: kind of have to build up reputation over the course
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  Speaker 2: of a couple of years to get the Pro Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: So I know there's a kind of some tongue in
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  Speaker 2: cheek about this. Probably wasn't his best year, you know,
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  Speaker 2: compared to last year. But at the same time, I
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  Speaker 2: think that he earned it last year. So now you
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  Speaker 2: kind of get that reputation Pro Bowl this year and
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  Speaker 2: he's still one of the better corners in the AFC.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like it's a fan vote. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of it is just name recognition and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not take anything away from again, like he's.
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  Speaker 2: A third of it's a fan vote.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good player and he has name recognition. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: that's fair, but like, yeah, yeah, I'm still mad he
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  Speaker 1: didn't make He was an All Pro last year. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't make it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was. It was ridiculous that he didn't
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  Speaker 2: make it last year. So regardless of what you think
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  Speaker 2: of his season this year, he earned a Pro Bowl
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  Speaker 2: in one of the last two years for sure, and
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  Speaker 2: he gets it this year. Drake may first first ballot
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  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl or like initial Pro Bowl vote. He was
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  Speaker 2: an alternate last year. I thought his answers about that
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: yesterday were great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you say, like, oh, they had they finally
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  Speaker 1: found somebody to do.
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  Speaker 2: It, Yeah, they he was the last person they asked.
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  Speaker 2: Uh so I this was you know, a first true
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  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl nomination for Drake May. So. The one thing
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  Speaker 2: that I tweeted out last night that I think is
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  Speaker 2: somewhat important because I don't I got to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, like, I'm happy for both of them, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a crap about the Pro Bowl, like
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  Speaker 2: no one does. But what this is somewhat relevant in
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  Speaker 2: terms of team building is that this kicks in an
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  Speaker 2: escalator and their fifth year options for both Christian Gonzales
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  Speaker 2: and Drake May. So there's one Pro Bowl nomination as
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  Speaker 2: an escalator, and then one or more Pro Bowl nominations,
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  Speaker 2: you know, two plus nominations. So if Drake May goes
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  Speaker 2: back to the Pro Bowl next year, then he will
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  Speaker 2: then have another escalator that kicks in that increases the
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  Speaker 2: amount of his fifth year option. Now, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people said to me on Twitter because I said they
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  Speaker 2: have to decide on Christian Gonzalez's fifth year option, the option,
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  Speaker 2: what kind of decision is there? It's a no brain. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: of course it's a no brainer. But they still have
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  Speaker 2: to say yes or no. And it's still it's a formality, maybe,
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  Speaker 2: but they still have to say yes or no.
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  Speaker 1: The some teams too, like if you're going to do
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  Speaker 1: an extension, then you don't pick up the fifty year options.
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  Speaker 1: So there's that. Well, so this is this is where
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  Speaker 1: it gets a little tricky and it gets built in
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  Speaker 1: the extension.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, so I think this is where it's relevant.
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  Speaker 2: So most likely what they're gonna do is They're going
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: to probably pick up Christian Gonzalez's fifth year option in
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  Speaker 2: May of next spring in the next offseason, and then,
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: just like the Jets initially did before they decided to
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: for some reason trade him with sauce Gardner, they then
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: agreed to a contract extension with sauce Gardner and like
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  Speaker 2: July or something like that as a four year contract extension.
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  Speaker 2: So that really turns into to kind of use like
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: basketball parlance, it's like a four plus one, right, because
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  Speaker 2: he played this year, sauce Gardner the twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: season on his fifth year option, and then the next
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  Speaker 2: extension kicks in in twenty twenty six, so it gives
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  Speaker 2: a team five years of team control. So it actually
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  Speaker 2: makes more sense. Now the player probably doesn't like it
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  Speaker 2: too much, but it actually makes more sense for them
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  Speaker 2: to trigger his fifth year option and then extend him
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: after the fifth year option, so his twenty twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: cap hit.
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  Speaker 1: I know this is kind of hard to follow, so
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  Speaker 1: right eclogize still extend him at You don't have to
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: wait the full year to extend him. You can extend
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: him after picking up the fifth year correct.
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  Speaker 2: But it would make sense from a team perspective to
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  Speaker 2: trigger the fifth year option and then post fifth year
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  Speaker 2: option status sign him to an extension because that would
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: give you five years of team control and the fifthier
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  Speaker 2: option is going to be a lot cheaper than his extension.
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  Speaker 1: So right now, the fifth year option a cordner over
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  Speaker 1: the caps seventeen point five million.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, So it be seventeen point five million for Christian Gonzales.
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  Speaker 2: So why is that relevant? Well, I know a lot
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: of people don't like the cap stuff, but I do
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  Speaker 2: think it's relevant in the fact that it's a fully
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  Speaker 2: guaranteed year of the contract. So his twenty twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: cap hit is going to be seventeen point five million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And I understand that people don't care about the cap
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  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. It's money in and it's money
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  Speaker 2: out because that's a fully guaranteed year, so it's still
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: a budget. There's still a payroll, there's still a cap,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: there's still expenditures that they are not going to go over, right, Like,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: that's just football, that's just sports, in any sports. So
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez's cap it in twenty to twenty seven will
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: most likely be seventeen point five million. For Drake May,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: it's going to be north of twenty two million dollars.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: I think this year Will Anderson's is going to be
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: right around twenty two million. So if you then adjust
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: for inflation and all that kind of stuff in the
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: NFL over the next couple of years, when the Patriots
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: have to make a decision again, they're going to pick
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: it up. But when they do eventually pick up Drake
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: May's figure option that is going to be north of
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: twenty two million dollars, which will be an absolute bargain
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: for Drake May. But at the same time, it's just
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of some housekeeping, bookkeeping stuff. I don't
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: love it. It's that set up that way because I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: think the Pro Bowl is kind of a.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Sham and all. Probably yeah, but the players probably want
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: it easier.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: To it's much to take, it's easier to attake, So.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: The alternates count towards that kicking in two. No, you
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: have to be Drake May currently has no one. He
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: has one with this year yet right, but if he
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: goes again next year then he would have the multiple.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Then then he has it is the biggest fifth year option.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: By the way, next year, I believe it's Jack Campbell.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: It is not Jack Campbells like for some reason, Jack
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Campbell has like a twenty one or two. Jack Campbell's
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: twenty two million. Yeah, he is in the one Pro
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Bowl category, yeah, which I don't get. Four players who
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: have hit the multiple Pro Bowl category. Jamior gives a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: fourteen million, Devin Witherspoon at twenty one million, yeah, Jalen
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Carter at twenty six million, Wow, and your guys Zay
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Flowers at twenty eight million, the largest fifth year off.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: So those ones are a little bit different because you
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: might actually be able to save some money.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: By the way, the reason is there, it's by position.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: They're different.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: It's based off of the percentage of like the top
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: ten receivers in the league or top.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: So like results in Witherspoon's numbers for one in multiple
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: are the same, but wide receiver because the quarterbacks if
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks got there would be forty six million.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: So it's actually so Drake May's fifty year option, if
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: he makes no other Pro Bowls, probably gonna be around
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: fifty because that's going to go up.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Uh no, well yeah, because he's a quarterback. I don't
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: know exactly you can look at it. I don't have
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: any I mean right now. Yeah, but they have quarterbacks
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: that were drafted in twenty three right, so right, so
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: if you look at that was Bryce Young and Bryce
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Young CJ. So Bryce Young had multiple Pro Bowls. Forty
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: six million, Yeah, so that would be what Drake Mays
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: is gonna be.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: But it's it's based on the average of the highest
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: pape right right.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Which is what inflation will kick in.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. It's probably gonna be, if
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: not around fifty, over fifty.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of money.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: So, uh that's a good point. So that's all the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: cap stuff. Sorry to kind of boggy down with all
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the numbers in accounting, But again, I I enjoy all
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the emails you get out of I know that people
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: don't care about the cap, and I hear this all
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: the time about how the cap is crap. It's not
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: crap to the teams, and it's not crap to you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the payroll and all that kind of stuff. You know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Robert Kraft stood up there and said that they don't
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: necessarily hold back to the cap on a year to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: year basis, is a three year period that they look
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: at it, but eventually they want them to be and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: CAP compliant. So it is what it is. You know
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that it's a At the end of the day, it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: it's still a business. It's still a payroll. What were
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you going to say.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm more of a So the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: line I like is not the cap is crap. But
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the CAP can be maneuvered because I think it is
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: there and you can manipulate it. But you have to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: actually go about manipulating it, and that's a process and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that can take money and effort and things like that.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: So you can't just ignore it. You can't blow by
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it like in the NBA, but it is it can
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: be manipulated.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well the NBA has the never it's a separate conversation.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: You can blow by the NBA cap. I mean there's
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a penalty that comes with it. I guess but not
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: with the aprons, not anymore. You can if you well
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you can in the NFL too, But that's true, all right,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: fair enough, yeah, okay, anyways, uh not, the NHL is
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the best salary cap is a five million dollar contract.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It costs five million dollars. That's the cap.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I don't we don't need to get to a whole cap.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying subjective. It's subjective because.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: As as somebody trying to follow the sport, five year,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: twenty five million dollar contract, five million dollar cap hit
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: each year, beautiful, okay.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: So in terms of trying to follow it, yeah, no doubt.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: In terms of trying to build a roster, it's the
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: worst because it's actually a hard to.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Tap because it works. Yeah, it's fair okay.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Right, So like if you if you have a deep
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: pockets owner that's willing to spend, then NHL salary cap
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: stinks for you because you're not you know, you can't
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: just pay for a championship.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And another place, facilities, coaches, things like that. But that's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: not I just think it's I wish it was just
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: five million dollar contract, five million dollar cap hit.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's not let's move on from that,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: there there's a you know, there's some Pro Bowl you
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: know snubs. You know the Patriots of twelve and three,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: they only have two Pro bowlers. The biggest one is
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: definitely Marcus Jones as a as a returner. But Jamiri
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Dka returns kickoffs and punts for the Titans and does
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it both well, and Marcus Jones just a punt returner.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So Marcus Jones matched Chamiri dk in terms of punt
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: return production, but Jamiri Dkay also on top of that,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: has all of his kickoff return production.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Do you make a case for Marcus Jones to make
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it as a corner too?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I think you make a case. I don't think it's
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: a good enough one, but I think you can make
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a case. There's only three, right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, And you know you got Stingley,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you got Sir Tan. I don't know who the Gonzales stuh.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I guess, like, could you argue that Marcus
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Jones has had a better year than Gonzalez? I guess
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you could, But I don't think that that's gonna You're
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: not gonna win that argument, I don't think all right. Anyways,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: So the snubs were you know, kind of going to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the the negati here a little bit on my list
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the snubs Marcus Jones, which we just said that is
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: in some ways kind of a technicality because there's only
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: one returner for both punts and kickoffs, and like I said,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: DK does both. The other one that I thought was
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit sneaky. I got some pushback about this too.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, I think was in the running for a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: tight end.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey has the Taylor Swift vote, which obviously helps
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: him with the fan vote, but he had a really
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: good season he did. I actually think that he was
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: worthy of being in the Pro Bowl. Brock Bauers is
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the other AFC tight end who matched Hunter Henry in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: twelve games, but he only played twelve games, you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and so I think that that's different in terms of,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you know, the advanced metrics. I actually could make a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: pretty good case for Hunter Henry being like a top
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: five tight end in the NFL this year because a
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: lot of his production comes on third down, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: red zone targets, like big kind of high leverage type
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: of plays that swing games. So I thought Hunter Henry
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: was a little bit of a snub. This year as well.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Did you have any other ones? I didn't really feel
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: too strongly about anybody else being on here.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I mean there were some guys and you go, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's important you go look at who else
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: is there? Like you know in my mind because I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: was looking at who is up there in the voting. Yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: initially and like okay, like who are they up against?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Like who was it that I saw? I was like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I could see it. And then I looked
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: at who else was there? But like Andy Burgallis I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: think at one point was the second kicker in the AFC.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: But you look at what Keymie Fairbairn has done this year,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and like, okay, I get it. Julian Ashby at one
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: point was the top vote getter for long snappers in
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the AFC, and then I guess that changed.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: So the voting, I'm gonna get this wrong, but the
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: voting that they put out, yeah, they're weekly voting. It
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't tabulate all the votes, Okay, So I'm pretty sure
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that that is just the ballots that get submitted Patriots
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: NFL dot com. All of the hashtag Pro Bowl votes
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: get counted later on. So that's why you saw a
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: lot of like crazy swings, like Josh Allen jumped Drake May.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Drake May was leading the Pro Bowl vote the entire
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: way and then somehow Josh Allen jumped him at the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: last second. A lot of that has to do with
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: with that, with the with like the social media votes
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Fair enough, all right,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, that's Pro Bowl. On the negative side of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: the injuries the Patriots, we'll find out later today. I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: think this is one of the more interesting practices of
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the season from this perspective because now that we found
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: out that Jared Wilson is also in concussion protocol. There
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: were ten different guys that visited the medical tent on
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Sunday night, and now you are nine different guys that
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: visit the medical tent, and now Jared Wilson makes it ten.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And that's just the ones that we know of right now.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: So the Patriots have all sorts of injuries. It sounds
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: like as Tonga's regular season might be over. Ian Rappaport
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: reported that that's a one to two week injury. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: don't see any reason to push it, you know, against
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: the Jets and the Dolphins. So my guess is that
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: we're going to see him in the playoffs, first round
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: of the playoffs or Patriots first game of the playoffs.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: But the other big ones are these guys in concussion
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: protocol because the percentage is low, you know, twenty five
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: to thirty percent. I think it is of guys that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: get put in the protocol and then play the following week.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So Trevon Henderson, Kaishawn Boody, Jared Wilson. So there's a
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: really really high percentage chance that the Patriots will play
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the Jets without those three players. Now the Jets think
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: so it's not.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Should be able to beat the Chests without those guys.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, But but just in terms of roster management and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: how this all shakes out, you know, they did sign Mitchell.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, Elijah Mitchell be available, might
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: have to play in this game. Elijah Mitchell being available
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: this time of year, and he just got cut I think, yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: within the last couple Yeah, he got released on December twentieth.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I like, I like Terrell Jennings, I do, and he's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: on IR right now and he'll I think he's eligible
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to return into the first playoff game. But like, yeah,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell played a decent sized role for a Niners
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: team that went to the Super Bowl. Yeah, for multiple
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Niners teams that went to the Super Bowl. As a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: third back. Like, he's more in line with what Antonio
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Gibson was doing, I would say than some of those
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: younger guys that they're trying to make a fit. So
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's sneaky, great signing. I wonder, excuse me,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder if there's you know, maybe actually something a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: little bit like see how he runs without Treyvon Henderson
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: out there, He's probably gonna be the second back. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: would think it's elevated next to Monre Stevenson and you
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: know he's running, well, that's somebody I would trust to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: carry the ball a little bit in the playoffs. He's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: done it before, so I played in eight playoff games.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: He's eighty four carries in eight career playoff games.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Sir Andre Stevenson played like eighty two percent of the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: snaps last week because Trey Von Henderson got hurting game
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: and you know they weren't really I guess, right and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Dearness Johnson at all. So you know this is something
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: that they're going to have to manage that running back.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: But this is a guy I think you can comfortably
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: give the ball five to ten times a game.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in these two games for sure. I
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: mean this is like Stephen Jackson twenty fifteen territory.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I think he's better than Stephen Jackson. The Stephen Jackson
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: thought crossed my mind.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm just saying, like, this is not in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: this spot. Absolutely, they're not going to get do I
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: give him the ball against the Houston Texans on wildcard
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and you know, a wildcard game. I don't know yet,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: not gonna have to see how he looks.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Well, to see how he looks. But I'm saying like
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: he's only Stephen Jackson was what thirty three?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they called him off his couch.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, it was a Philip Rivers situation.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that draftsic, it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that drastic, but it was close to Elijah Mitchell's
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: twenty six twenty seven. I'm not and again he has
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: some experience.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see Kaijan Boody and you have Kyle Williams.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously he think he can play James White,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: but they have you know, Kyle Williams will play more
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Matt Collins will play probably more on the outside. You know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you can, you can kind of manage that one.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to Williams getting some more reps. I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: think this will be good opportunity. I think he's clearly
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: come away since he was kind of struggling in the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: middle of the season. He looks a lot more comfortable now.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been the high volume role, which is nothing
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: wrong with that. I like the role he's in, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what he can do with a
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: little more opportunities.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: So, you know, honestly, time to get it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Not you know, happy that that booty's hurt, but is
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a big opportunity I think for Kyle Williams.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the time to get it. I mean,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: he's these two games are aren't games that they should win,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you know, pretty handily. So this is a good time
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: to get the rookie involved and get him some some
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: high volume snaps and see what he can do in
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: a bigger role. Jared Wilson, we mentioned, you know, with
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Ben Brown. I'm sure Brent Brown will We'll get the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: start at left card if necessary.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: So not, I think running back is.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Probably the most complicated one right now, and then I
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: would also mentione, now Milton Williams coming back potentially lessons
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: this a little bit. But josh A Farmer goes to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: injured reserve, he could technically come back, but now we're
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: talking about him coming back and like the AFC Championship
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Game or the Super Bowl or something like that. So
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: his season is, you know, could be over at this point.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So you have Joshua Farmer on ir, you have Kiris Tonga,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: you know, dealing with a foot injury. So Melon Williams
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: comes back that kind of you know, fills one of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: those two spots. Yeah, but you you are, you know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a little thin, maybe one body short at defensive tackles.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: So does that mean a elevation for Jeremiah Farms, who's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: been elevated twice? Maybe you know, they went with Taylor
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the last time, Leonard Taylor got it. Last time, they
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: elevated a big boy. So maybe that's the route that
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: they go. But they'll probably have an elevation on the
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: defensive line, I would think, because you don't know what
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to expect Melon Williams to
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: come in and play you know seventy eighty percent.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised we've seen elevate. I think those
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: are two spots he elevated running back in def to tackle.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely, So there's a lot going on there, and
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I think in the second hour of the show we
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: can talk maybe a little bit about how the Patriots
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: handle these two games from injuries and more so, like
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the banged up guys right in, you know, guys like splaying,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: guys like Milton Williams, Tonga, you know, these players I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: would expect to be on some sort of you know management,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you know, these last two weeks of this season. So
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: that's all the news. Took us a little while to
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: get through that. So we'll try to go as fast
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: as we can through the game recap because I know
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that everybody probably wants to weigh in, and we'll take
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: your calls and emails here shortly. But let's get into
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: this Baltimore game, which I felt like was a weird
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: game to be at. There's a lot of sort of
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: emotional swings. You know, the Ravens come out hot, they're
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: playing well offensively to start with Lamar Jackson healthy, Derrek
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Henry fumbles that was sort of like the first turning
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: point of the game. Then Lamar jacks and gets hurt
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: in the second quarter. That's sort of the second turning
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: point of the game. Then Tyler Huntley puts together a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: decent third quarter and they kind of take the lead,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and then the Patriots obviously come back there in the
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter. But I think the biggest thing that, you know,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I just want to start. Let's just get into the
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: good and bad. I don't really have a great big
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: picture thought with all that news in my head. Doo, okay,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: what's your big picture thought?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: It's just building off of what I said last week.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: And I know people are probably sick of hearing about
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: the twenty one point loss, but it's hard not to
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: look at those two games together because we talked about
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: it a lot of what like the Ravens game, a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: lot of opportunities presented that game more than we ended
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: up knowing going into it, were opportunities to right the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: wrongs and answer the questions left after that Bill's lost.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And I would say they overwhelmingly, not entirely, overwhelmingly checked
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of the boxes they failed to check against
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the Bills, And that's just an encouraging sign. Growth has
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: been such an important thing for this team this year.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: How many times have we come on here and even
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: after they've won, like, oh, they struggled with this, or
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: they struggled with that, and then the next week they
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: come out and they fix it. And it's a credit
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to Mike Vrabel and the coaching staff. And I think
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: this was a maybe the prime example of, you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: whether you want to talk about some of the issues.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: You know, Drake May's issues, issues that he had and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: he wasn't perfect in this game, but he fixed him
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: when he needed to. Whether you want to talk about
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: some of their issues in terms of the receivers getting open,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the questions about Stefan Diggs and where he was at
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: after that game, obviously the fourth quarter, the ability to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: come back, those questions were loud after they lost to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the Bills. The only one that didn't really answer was
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the run game question, but we talked about it earlier.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: That's it's gonna be hard to answer that question without
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Millon Williams. But I just I was really impressed that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I think you kind of have to look at that
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: game in the Bills game together and hey, they struggled
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: with all this stuff, came back and fixed it, especially
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: against I know, the Ravens offense isn't what we thought
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it was going to be. The Ravens defense was full
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: go in that game, and they answered a lot of
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: questions against a good Ravens defense.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: It's all fair points. I would just say, you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: this is sort of why getting caught up in like
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the week to week referendum of a team is what
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: we do, and it's what all of us do, fans
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and media like. But this is why it's dangerous. Because
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the Patriots lose that game to Buffalo, and all of
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: a sudden, the real loud people are saying that they're fraudulent,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: right because they played a good team finally and they lost.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: The other people are saying, you know, they can't come
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: back in the fourth quarter, Drake May's not clutch. They
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: can't lead game winning drives all based off of one
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter, like one second half of a game. And
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: then the very next week they do all the things
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: that everybody said they couldn't do. And now you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: now the narrative flips and it's like, I get, this
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: is what we do, but this is why you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: sample size and seeing things from multiple games and you know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: full seasons and all that kind of stuff is really
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: really important because just because he did it on Sunday
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: night doesn't mean that he's going to do it again
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: if they're in the same position in the playoffs. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: just because he didn't do it against Buffalo means that
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: he was going to be a much time failure for
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: his entire career. And I just feel like that that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was sort of what that told you was that this
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: is really it's too soon probably to determine whether or
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: not he's got that Brady clutch ginge and no one's Brady.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: But you know what I'm trying to.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Say, Well, but I think that's also part of what
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: makes the NFL so interesting. And yeah, you don't want
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to get caught up too much in the week to week,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: but this is how like there's a lot of the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: sporters answering questions. Questions come up and how do you
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: answer them, how do you respond to them? So I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: think this was a you know, those two games are
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a great example what makes the NFL so good.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's all fair. The other other thing I
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: was just going to say on the Drake mayfront, because
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of good stuff to talk about with
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Drake may I just kind of pushed back a little
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: bit on the commentary that he was bad for the
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: first three quarters of this game. I don't think he
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: was bad at all. I may be inconsistent, and you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: he had some bad plays, but he also had some
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: terrific plays for the first three quarters of this game.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And if you look at their drive chart for the
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: first half, they were in scoring terry territory on all
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: four drives in the first half. They were moving the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: ball the entire game. Like this wasn't one of those
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: games more like the Buffalo game in the second half
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: where the offense just went completely cold.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: No, it was the turnovers, which we'll get to it,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: but it was the turnovers.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: So I, you know, I charted these things and I
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: try to keep you know, week to week charting on this.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: You know, in the first three quarters of this game,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I had him with like six really high level plays,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever you want to call him, plus plays,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: big time throws whatever. You know. He opening drive layers
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: went into Stefon Diggs for twenty five yards. That's just
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: a ridiculous throw. You know, It's just a great throw
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to a crossing route to digs the third down deep
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: dig to mac Collins was another great throw in this game.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: You know, threw them open on the second zone window
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: there over the middle of the field. That was followed
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: up immediately by the back shoulder to Austin Hooper. Same
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: drive got them down for a touchdowns back. Yeah, on
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the second drive of the game. He had a third
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: three yard crossing route to Diggs as well in the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: third quarter. That was a big play in this game.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And he put that ball on Hunter Henry's hands on
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: that little wide delay action that in Hunter Henry just
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: couldn't finish through Kyle van Noy, Like that was a
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: perfect throw, you know, he put it right on him.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: So I had that as another one that was a
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: good throw or a plus play by Drake may So
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I ended up having, you know, six plus plays in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: the first three quarters. And really the only true negatives
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: were the two turnovers. And we'll get to him, like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to absolve him with the two turnovers,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: but I didn't feel like this was by any means
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: like the Buffalo second half where it was a complete
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: kind of no show. In the second half of that
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: game against the Bills, he had some really really good plays.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: He was moving and navigating the pocket exceptionally well throughout
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: this entire game under a lot of pressure with some
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: banged up backups on the offensive line, and I thought
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: he was really, really good. Now the fourth quarter he
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: was absolutely tremendous. You know, that was a whole nother
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: level it. But I thought he was fine through three quarters.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Outside the turnovers. The fourth quarter was Brady esque. You know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you go twelve for fourteen, one hundred and thirty nine yards, two.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Touchdown round arguably was an incompletion. Oh the booty one, Yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I mean the Kyle Williams all right, that's the Kyle
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Williams on was like late in the third quarter. First
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the Kyle Williams touchdown is that's a great throw too,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: one of his best throws of the season. You know what,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: that one reminded me of a little bit. And maybe
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: it's just because it's against the Ravens. Although I actually
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: didn't put that together until I said this to my
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: buddy and he was like, it's against the Ravens, You're
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: being lazy. The Tom Brady twenty fourteen Divisional game throw
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: to Brandon Lafel is similar. It's a little kind kind
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: of the same sort you gotta just drop it in
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: over the top. And again I came up with that
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: before I realized they were both against the Ravens.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he was just he was lights out
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. I had him seven plus plays
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: just in the fourth quarter alone, and you know, he
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: was just excellent. And I think that, you know, just
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: to kind of get into some of the game winning
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: drives stuff. You know, obviously both drives were huge, so
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I kind of put them together in a lot of ways,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: but just specifically on the game winning drive itself. What
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I thought was the most encouraging about how he handled
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: the game winning drive. I didn't think he did very
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: good against Buffalo in terms of just keeping the offense
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: on schedule, moving the chains, taking the easy throws underneath,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of taking the profits. That's oftentimes what
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: leads to good game winning drives is just kind of
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: taking what the defense has given you at first, Like, yes,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: you are eventually going to need a big play or
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: two in there, and they got that with the Matt
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Collins crosser right out of the shoot on the first play,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: kind of gets them that moving and gets that first
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: first down that's always crucial. And then the digs fourth
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: down play, So they did have two chunk plays on
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the drive, but he also had completions of nine to
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: eight and six yards. And I thought that those players
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: were low key, very very important to just keeping the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: offense on schedule.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: You got to go the time whole apple at once.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Positive plays, keeping it moving, that sort of thing. I
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: always go back to Super Bowl thirty six. Now, they
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: only needed the field goal in that situation, but the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: very first play of that game winning drive to for
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady's a checkdown to JR. Redmon right, like does
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: a little checkdown over the middle. It wasn't a downfield throw.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't, you know, Brandon lafel to you know in
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the twenty fourteen Divisional round against Baltimore. It was just
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a little dump off to a running back and it
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: just kind of gets the whole thing moving from there.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Hasn't a hasn't Bill or Brady or somebody said like
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: they didn't hit the checkdown of Redmand they were gonna
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: sit on it or something.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: It's possible.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I don't actually watched that drive yesterday.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: So Jr. Redman's a little checkdown, Wiggy Jermaine Wiggins, like,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: get some like five yards at the very end of
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the drive. That puts the field goal a more makeable
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: field goal. I think it was a forty nine yard
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: field goal, so we're talking about like a fifty plus
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: yard shodow. We were there, and there's just I've seen
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: that drive so many times that I could probably tell
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: you every throw.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: The big throw on that drive is obviously the Troy Brown.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Troy Brown crossed the same thing two years later, it's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the Dion Branch crosser, and beyond that it's a lot
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: of dink and dunk and with Drake May it was
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the same thing. You want it sure, Jr. Redmond five yards, Jr.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Redmond eight yards incomplete. I think that was a spike. Jr.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Redman eleven yards incomplete, Troy Brown for twenty three, Wiggi
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: for six and then the spike.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: So this is my point, right, like how many Jr.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Redmonds did you just say? There's a little dump offs,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: little checkdowns to j R. Redman and they're not the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: big plays. The big play is obviously the Troy Brown one,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: which we've all seen a million times. But that's just
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: how you matriculate the ball. Down the field on a
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: game winning drive, and Drake may in this game just
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: did such a better job of that than he did
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: against Buffalo. Right in Buffalo, you remember the third downplay
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: against Buffalo where he just throws it to the sideline
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and complete the Trevon Henderson and kind of into no
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: man's land. This game, it was a lot more manageable,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: like he was making the smart decision.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Not to keep comparing Drake to Brady here, but I
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the Panthers on was a little more explosive than I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: remembered incomplete thirteen yards to Troy Brown, twenty yards to
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Troy Brown, thirteen yards of Troy Brown, four yards to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Daniel Graham, seventeen yards a d On Branch, and then
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: they kicked the field goal. But I think some of
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: those are like underneath catch and runs. But yes, to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: your point, to go back to the point we're reminiscing Tooch, Well,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I went back, it's fine for whatever, and it was
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: not in relation to what Drake Maye did. It was
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: another conversation I was having friends. I went back and
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: watched the fourth quarter of Super Bowl forty nine, of course,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and then the final drive of Super Bowl thirty six,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: as say, because he got a refreshment place. I'm sure
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: remind yourself, I clar should watch the Panthers game. Maybe
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I'll do that later. But you gotta be patient on
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: those drives. On those games, it's you know, it's one
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: thing that's like thirty seconds you got to look go
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to length of the field. But the two minutes, if
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you manage it right, that's more than enough time to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: get down the field.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I did not think that he managed it very well
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: against Buffalo.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: He was pushing a little more. Now. I think he
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: had less time in that one.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: But he was. He was big play on hunting against Buffalo,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and I think in this drive he was willing to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: kind of take some of the easy money and just
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: sort of march a little bit down the field. So,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like you said, off the top of this segment, just growth,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you know, just showing, you know, correcting things and just
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: kind of fixing things moving forward.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I know he got they got the ball back with
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: two forty three and against the Bills, there's plenty of time.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: So that was Drake may I thought that, you know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I wrote this in after further review, this was the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: most high level plus plays I had for Drake Man
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a game this season. Now we'll get to the flip
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: side here in a second, but he was making some
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: unbelievable plays for four quarters, not just the fourth quarter,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: for four quarters in this game. I thought this was
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: one of his best games of the year. I really did.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: And this Bill's appeals Ravens defense. Let's not lose sight
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of the fact that the Ravens shut out Joe Burrow
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the week before. His first ever shutout as an NFL
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: quarterback was the week before against the same exact Ravens defense.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: So this wasn't a tomato can defense. This wasn't a
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: bad defense defense.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I you want to critique what the Patriots defense did
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: against the Ravens offense without Lamar Jackson, and for some reason,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Derrek Henry like, we can have that conversation, which we will,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: which we will. H that was that was a real
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: deal Ravens defense that they moved the ball on.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right. So next positive, you know, good
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: thing here we got a wax poetic a little bit
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: about Stefan Diggs. I mean, this was just this was a.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Clinic like if you were a time, if you were
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: a young receiver, if you're a coach of like a
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: high school, a college team or something like that.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: If you want to show a clinic.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: There's nothing but teach tape.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: For sixty minutes, we're oute running man zone press off
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: like inside outside, Like this was just an absolute clinic
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: by Digs, and you know, you could break down some
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: of the individual plays, but he was roasting that secondary
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: in pretty much every single way possible. His feel and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: just understanding of, you know, space and voids in zone
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: coverage is as good as I've seen. I think the
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: only guy that rivals it is probably Travis Kelcey, who's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: also excellent at that. But both of these guys are
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: doing that at the highest of levels. Like understanding where
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: this top spots are in zone coverage, understanding not to
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: run yourself into coverage when you don't have to, you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: all these different types of things that he does know.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: There are different kinds of routes. Some routes are meant
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: to clear out space. Some routes are meant to occupy defenders,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and you got to run those are those love of
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: the game routes, and you got to run those if
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you're in that position. But in this game, Diggs was
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: in a lot of positions where he could kind of
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: freelance a little bit against zone coverage, and he did
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: that at one of the highest levels that you're going
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: to see anybody do it at. And then I also
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: thought it was really encouraging. Now, Marlon Humphrey might be
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: little bit on watch watch here. I don't know if
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: he's got much left in the take, but he was
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: on watch, watch, watch, wash watch.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, like he said, watch watch.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: He was beaten guys in man coverage too, And there's,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: like you said earlier, there's a lot of chatter about
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: December digs and did he still have it against man coverage?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Did he still have the juice to separate against man coverage?
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: In this game, sixty five of his yards came against
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: man coverage. Beat Marlon Humphrey cleaned like a drum coming
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: across the field on a crossing route. So it was
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: good to see him be able to separate from man
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: to man as well. The zone stuff's awesome, but once
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: it comes to the playoff time, he's gonna they're gonna
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: get more man and he's gonna have to beat man coverage.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: And he did that in this game.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I just you know, there are all these questions about
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: is is Dig's cook thirty one? Coming off the ACL
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the December Dig stuff. The people in Buffalo got really
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: loud about that, sure did, and I don't. They shouldn't
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: need Digs to be that guy every week, and there's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: few receivers, if any, that can be that guy every week,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: and they really shouldn't even be that to be the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Jets to beat the Jets and the Dolphins. But the
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: fact that he can still flip the switch and do
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: that when they need to do it is very encouraging
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: because they are going to need him probably once or
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: twice to make to be that guy in the playoffs,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: if not every game. So yeah, it was like he
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: did a couple of quiet games and his usage was
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: down and all that, and it was good to just
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: kind of see him remind everybody, hey, no, I can
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: still do this. I can still be the number one guy.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: And then you looked at what his gravity was doing
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: late in that game and opening up opportunities for other players.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was fantastic. He was that his best
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: game as a Patriot, or is the Bill's.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Game still the Bills game? I think is still better.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: But this was really good.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: It's up there.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was really good.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I think the number one thing too, that just to
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: kind of make this a bigger picture thing a little bit,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: they didn't double him as much as Buffalo did, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: he torched them in single coverage opportunities. So I do
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: think that there's a bigger picture kind of game plan
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: thing going on here where Okay, you know, they play
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Houston in the first round and they have Derek Stingley, Like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: maybe you don't need to double him if you put
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Stingley on him, but Stingley is going to have to
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: travel with Diggs or you're gonna have to double him
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: if you don't have a player of Stinglely or like
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Certan or something like that, of that caliber. So either way,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: you know, Buffalo didn't have Benford in the game a
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, so they doubled him because they
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: knew that their backup guys weren't going to be able
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: to hang. So I think that that's great news for
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the Patriots either way. We talked so much about that
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: on this show, Alex. You know, the Tuesday players and
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the guys that are you know, the the hierarchy guys
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that can really put other people in place. You know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: does Digs get Kyle Williams open, Does he get Mac
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Collins open? Does he get Hunter Henry open? Yeah? He can,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and he can't have that kind of gravity. So I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: think that that's really big for them moving forward. He's
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: been doing this to me all year, like even going
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: back to training camp, where when he needs to like
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: pull it out in a game when he needs to
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, I need to go and be
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: vintage Digs tonight. He has that ability to do it.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Can he still do it seventeen games a season? Probably not,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: but he can still do it when he needs to
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: when they are in a big spot and they need.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Him to, you know what. They're at a point where
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: their supporting cast is good enough that they can get
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: by with that for now.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's Diggs a couple more on the offense,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: and then I all give the defense a little bit
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: of flowers for one thing in particular, and then I'll
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: probably not give the defense much flowers after that. I
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: thought it was a really encouraging performance for both Kyle
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Williams and ramondre Stevenson and Andre Stevenson was sneakily really
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: really good at it.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: It's two games in a row where we're remond the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: dirty work excellent and it thinks they now Henderson's hurt,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: like they can't get both these guys healthy. But I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: see the vision. I see the vision for this to
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: be a really strong running back room. We're getting there.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really good in this game. Blitz pick
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: up that the little checkdown that he took for twenty
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: three yards was a great cut in the open field
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that I haven't seen him move like that in a while,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: you know, toe injury wear and tearor that kind of stuff.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: The touchdown obviously, I think he ran a little bit
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: out of gas on the one deep target that he
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: had when he was flexed out, But overall I thought
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: he was He was really really good in this game.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: He had some blitz pickups that were just tremendous, and
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: against like Kyle Hamilton, Roquand Smith, like guys that can
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: really blitz. He stood up Kyle Hamilton on one play
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Hamilton was stopped in his tracks. I mean,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: that's hard to do. It's a really good blitzing safety
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that he did that against and Kyle Williams. It's not
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: high volume and it's not perfect, you know, I didn't
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: think the third down target he had on the game
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: winning drive that was almost picked wasn't a great route.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: But the deep targets and the big plays down the
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: field are starting to come more and more, and like
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Drake May said yesterday, that's going to just open up
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the first and second level at him. So he's just
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: got to learn, you know, be able to sell fade
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: on every single route that he runs. You know, everything
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: should be a fade with Kyle Williams. Get those guys
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: opened up and then have that ability to hit the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: first and second lef But he's flashing in ways that
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: we didn't necessarily see with Polk Taekwon, Nikhil Hill.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: He's gonna say it long and it's not all those
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: guys you just listed, but how long have we been
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: talking about them getting that speed X. You call it
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: the sacrificial X. That's just the guy that kind of
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: run goes route, runs go routes and you know, isn't
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: gonna get targeted a ton, but enough to keep the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: defense honest, but has to be good enough on those
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: targets to keep the defense honest. And they've been looking
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: for that guy I go back twenty twenty, de mere
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Bird was okay in that role. Yeah, they then sign
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Nelson Agalore, he he didn't really fit. Uh, they drafted Taekwon,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: he couldn't stay on the field. Like it feels like
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they finally have that guy. And I still think Kay
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Williams long term futures is a z and I think
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: he can be a high volume guy in the NFL.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: But for the role he's in right now, not everybody's
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: gonna get ten targets and he's not in the ten
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: target role that's Stefan Diggs. Digs should be there. But
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you can still make an impact. Kyle Williams played thirty
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: percent of snaps, had three targets on Sunday Night. He
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: made a massive impact in that game. He catches the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: deep ball, he had another catcher first down, and he
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: sets the block on the game winning touchdown run. So
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: having guys that can make an impact even when they
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: don't have a high volume in targets, you need a
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: guy like that. A guy like that can help even
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: if this offense isn't built around him in the way.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williams has stepped into that role from where he
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was earlier in the season has been impressive and it's
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: helped having somebody in that role that provides what he provides.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his speed is translated to the pro game, which
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I think is the most encouraging thing. He's clearly creating
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: downfield separation on his deep routes and that's his game.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: That's his number one part of his game. Now, the
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: route detail, the salesmanship, all these like nuances to route
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: running that I think Diggs is trying to teach him
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Those things are going to be the
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: things that determine whether or not he's going to be
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: a high volume guy down the road. But at the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: very least he can be this guy and that's something
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: for late thirty.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Right, if you get that guy late in the third
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: and this is what he is again, I still think
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: he can be more. But if this is what he is,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: that like, there's value in having that player.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, one flower for the defense turnovers. They
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: produced two turnovers in this game.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: The chase on play was an awesome football play by
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: tale Chase on to chase that thing down. Yeah, hurt
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and finish, right, I will say sneaky important on that play.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Del Pettis holding up Zay Flowers. You know that guy
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: that goes unnoticed.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: They had a couple of those on the Henry one too,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: is Carlton Davis holding him up.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: So del Pettis. Jay Flowers comes across the middle of
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the field, del Pettis gets matched up with him in
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: the slot, and del Pettis makes Zay Flowers stop his
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: feet right, and he's the guy that made Jay Flowers
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: cut back into the middle of the field. If del
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Pettis doesn't, you know, create that leverage, then Jay Flowers
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: is just gonna run away and he's never going to
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: get even close to calevon chase On. So del Pettis
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: is the guy that made Zay Flowers stop and kind
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: of try to make a cut to get around him,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: and that allowed calevon chase On, who's just hustling effort
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: finished all the Mike Rabel tropes like that's what that
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: is exemplified in one play to punch the football out there.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: So that was a great play.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: It's another one where again you go back to last week.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: We talked about this on that show. You should be
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: able to get the Bills to turn the ball over.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Bills are sloppy offense. And they needed one turnover probably
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: changes that game, and they couldn't get it. They couldn't
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: do it. So it's another example where they come back
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the next week and correct the wrong and hey, look
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: at this, you know, we're we're not just one but
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: two turnovers, including one at a key point in that game.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: So and the Derek Henry fumble is not was not
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: unimportant either, because that game was they were on the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: verge of maybe getting boat raced in this game. The
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Ravens are going right down the field on them. The
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: offense was, you know, and over prone or mistake prone
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: at the moment, you know, to start that game, and
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: the Ravens were in complete control of that game in
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the first quarter and Derrick Henry gets stripped and all
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of a sudden it kind of at least kept the
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: game close and kept the Patriots in the game at
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: that point of the game. So the Derrick Henry fumble
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: just also just being there like that was kind of
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: a deflating moment, I thought, for the Ravens and for
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the fans and for the crowd. So that was a
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: big play early in the game as well. But the
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: chase on played Mike Rable is going to be showing
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: that in the team meeting. I'm sure. I mean, that
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: was everything that they're about as a coaching staff and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: as a program in one play, you know, one guy
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: making a sneaky good play with del Pettis another guy,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: you know, full tilt to the whistle with calevon Chase
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: on that. That's raybl ball. You know, like that's what
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: everything that he wants this team to be.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, going back to that fumble being
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: a big play. Yeah, so I know, John Harbaugh said
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: after the game Henry wasn't in at the end because
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: of the running back rotation. I you know, who knows
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: you can change up the running back rotation. You have
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer back there, chance to ice
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: the game?
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Is it possible they were spooked that he was going
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to fumble again because he had some fumble ishoes early
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: in the year. He cleaned them up. But did they
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: look at that and say, oh, boy, like is he
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to hold on a ball? Tame? I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: still would have gone, well, it's not an excuse, right,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: but I you know, did that fumble maybe get in
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: the Ravens head? Was that fumble bigger than maybe it
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: even seemed in the moment, I thought.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: That there was a little bit of irony with Mike
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Rabel being on the other sideline Derrick Henry's old coach,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: because I cannot tell you how many games Mike Rabel
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: closed out by just letting Derrick Henry just eat up
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: the rest of the clock. And that's how the Titans
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: won games in that era. It was just get a lead,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: play with the lead in the fourth quarter, and then
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: it's just Derrick Henry for five minutes down your throat
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: and you just can't stop it, and you can't stop
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the clock, and this game over. You know that that's
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: that's Derrick Henry at his best as late in those games.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: He's one of those guys for sure that gets better
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: as the game goes along. So it's only fair to
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: point out, you know, as much as I want to
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: give the Patriots flowers for coming back in this game,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Lamar gets hurt. They make a really weird coaching decision
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: with Derrick Henry in the fourth quarter of this game.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: So the Ravens gave him some help too.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: They did, Yeah, they they did, but like, no, no comeback, He's.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: No, I'm yeah, I'm not trying to completely you know,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: take away credit, but it's it's context as worse to
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: share it. Anyways, Let's go to the bads and the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: stuff that gets you beat. I have a tough time
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: putting this on the bads because they were This was
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: one of those games that was like a game from
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: hell for the offensive line. They had basically, uh, you know,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: we're on their third tackle, might have had to have
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: gone to their fourth tackle, but Morgan moses credit to him,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: decides to gut it out and play on a bad knee.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: That's another one we'll have to monitor this week. But
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: they already have a backup left tackle, they already have
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: a rookie at left guard. Right tackles got injury issues,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: and the depth is getting killed there. So I'll give
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: them all those sort of caveats. But the pressure rate
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: ended up coming out to forty four point two percent
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: in this game, and I actually thought this was one
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: of those games where Drake May did his best to
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: help not hurt the protection in the offensive line. This
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: type of pressure forty four point two percent is not sustainable.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: You can't win in the playoffs with that kind of
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: pressure rate. You need to win the line of scrimmage.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: More specifically, the left side of the offensive line allowed
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: twelve combined pressures between Vederian Low and Jared Wilson in
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: this game. And I thought the stunts and the games
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: that Baltimore was running up front, those gave him some
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: problems too. So there was just a lot going on
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: with the offensive line from both the injury perspective. But
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: if you get into the playoffs and you're giving up
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: forty five percent pressure rate against Houston or against Denver
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: or against Buffalo, like, you're not gonna win. You're not
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: gonna win playing like that, at least not multiple times.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Like maybe you can get away with it one time,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: because Drake may is just that good, but he's not
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: gonna get all the way through the playoffs playing like that.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: He took a beating in this game.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: And you know, credit to him, like he played a
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: tough game, has a tough games. You're gonna see quarterback play.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, especially the tackle play. You had guys being
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: blown by on three man rushes like it just they
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: missed Will Campbell, They missed Morgan Moses in this game
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: big times. I think probably their worst pass protection game
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: of the year, certainly early in the season, and like
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you said, you can't you put it well, you can't
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: get by with.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: That, so just really quickly and then we'll move on
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: to the next one. The one thing that I did
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: notice early that it was there there was some little
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: weird things going on with the snap count with the cadence.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they were in silent count because Bold
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: tackles on the interception don't move like and I know
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: watching it live, it looks like they both just get
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: blown by. But if you watch bold tackles when the
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: ball moves, you know, when brad Berry snaps the ball,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: the guards in brad Berry move with the two back.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Guys, do both guys being slow that slow out of
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: their stance is.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Not No, something was going on with the snapcount or
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: the cadence or maybe they were in silent count or
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: maybe they weren't in silent count and that was throwing
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: them like. Something was weird that was going on there.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: So I thought once they kind of got on the
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: same page and Vederian Lowe as one of those guys
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: that he needs to be getting off the ball, like
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: he kind of needs to be one of those dudes
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: that almost jumps the snapcount a little bit because he
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't have great lateral movement. He doesn't have a great
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: kick out of his stance, so that can really be
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: where he starts to play with the short corner is
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: when he's slow out of his stance. So I think
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: that that was a little bit of an issue early
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: on in this game. All right, going over to the defense,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: run defense again on the bats just this week. Last
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: week it was inside runs by James Cook. This week
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: it was outside runs by Derrick Henry. I don't know
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: what was going on with The edge play in this game.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Wasn't good. Whatever it was, Uh, it just didn't look coordinated.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: It didn't look the way that it should. They gave
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: up eight point two yards of carry to Derek Henry
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: outside the tackles, uh thirteen for one oh six rushing
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: off tackle in this game. So the edge play wasn't great.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: The line packer play wasn't great. I mentioned the base
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: defense stuff wasn't great. Four and a half yards five
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: and a half excuse me, yards of carry and base defense,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: like you said, Like we said at the top of
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: the show, this is just personnel at this point, Like
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: they just need spoiling and Milton Williams and Tonga healthy.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: I just don't think they're gonna be a good run
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: defense unless those guys are healthy. It's I don't think
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: that there's anything schematically. I don't think it's anything that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: they can really do.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: They put six guys down on the line scrim.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yet they do. They just don't have good run defense
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: The only thing more they can do is, you know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: just engauge eight every play and dare the other team
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: to throw to open receivers. The crazy thing to me
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Dereck Henry in nine carries before nine carries after Lamar
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Jackson got hurt. Yeah, just in terms of the yards
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: per carry. I don't know if you have the math
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: number for this. Derek Henry was better with Lamar Jackson
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: out of the game. So you take away, like you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: take away the threat of not that Tyler Hunty can't run,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: but he's not Lamar Jackson. Right, even not having to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: respect Lamar Jackson's legs, Derek Henry was still rolled.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: That was all I mean.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Credit died Derrick Henry too. He was guy's the first
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer, But yes, all the more reason
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I don't play at the
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: end of that game.
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  Speaker 2: But the edge stuff is has been a little bit
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: of a concern of mine. And I love when they
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: use spell techniques because I think it looks cool and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: when it's coordinated and when it's timed up correctly, it
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: can be really effective. But I don't know if in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: their current state, you know, maybe boxing the edges, which
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: means like the edges are setting the edge and they're
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: prying to the ball back inside versus crashing in and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: trying to bounce the ball outside. Now maybe it's simple
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: as Blaine coming back and he's kind of good at
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: that sort of technique, the overlapping, you know, in the spill,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's what they need. But this was this
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: was bad. The run defense just is not good right now.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: And like the pressure rate, you are not going to
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: win in January. If you can't stop the run, you're
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: just not You're not going to win in January. Like that. Now,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: they're really the only team that has like an elite
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: run game in the playoffs is Buffalo. So Denver's run
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: games bad.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Houston's isn't bad.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: They're okay, but they're not Derrick Henry in Baltimore and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: they're not Buffalo. Those are the kind of the two
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: best run games right now in the AFC because of
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: whatever the hell happened to the Colts without Daniel Jones.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: So hey, Philip Rivers was slinging it early in that game. Yes,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was slinging it a little bit.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I saw somebody, somebody we can talk. Let's get through
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: somebody posted on Twitter. The one outcome I didn't consider
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: was Philip Rivers plays well, but the Colts lose anyway.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: So that was a big thing for me in this
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: game though, was you knew Baltimore was going to put
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: heavy gut personnel on the field, and the Patriots are
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: such a heavy nickel defense that I was curious to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: see how the Patriots matched all of Baltimore's you know,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: whether it's two back, whether it's too tight end. They
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: actually had some formations where they had recard and two
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: tight ends on the field, so they had like one
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: wide receiver on the field. It was kind of a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: bad matchup in that respect for the Patriots, and the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Patriots played a lot of baits. They tried to play
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: more base defense in this game, and they have over
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks with Buffalo as well, and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: they still can't stop the run out of base. So
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: this is this is a personnel thing. Is they got
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: to get their guys back. The other thing that I
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: had on the battle list, I'm taking flag for Alex,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: but I'm just going to keep being honest about it
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: is Christian Zalez, who I just I think it's this
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: is partially scheme related. I think, yeah, and so I'm
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: not sorry. I think that that does kind of absolve
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: some of this. I heard Greg on your station yesterday
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: and I agree wholeheardly with his take on this. He
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: said that it reminds him a lot of early Steffan
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Gilmore with the Patriots, where the Patriots are playing a
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: lot of zone. They're playing him off, they're playing him
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: in techniques that he's not his best at. And then
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Belichick finally said, we're just going to play man to man.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: We're gonna let Steffan Gilmore shadow the other team's best
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: receiver and we're going to just do it that way.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: And then Gilmour flipped a switch. They went on two
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl runs. Semen's Defensive Player of the Year I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of parallels of what's going on
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: with Christian Gonzalez. The things about zone corners, playing off
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: and playing zone technique is just different. It's a different technique,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: it's a different thing. It takes good eyes, it takes
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: good you know, instincts at the top of the route.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: It's just a different ballgame. The other thing that playing
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of zone does is that it makes you tackle. Yep,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that that's really a strength of
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Christian Zion say.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: He's actually been a better tackle of this year for
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: everything else. That tackling made on Derrek Henry in space
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: was awesome.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: That was a good play, and the pass breakup you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: know in the fourth quarter was another good play. But
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: there was some questionable things about his run defense in
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: this game. You know, when he sees a blocker coming,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: if he's free to the ball, he'll make he'll he'll
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: stick his nose in there and tackle. But if he
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: sees like a polar coming towards him or something like that,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: he was making some iffy decisions in this game. So
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that's who he is, and that's fine,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Like I don't expect him to be. I said this yesterday.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: I don't expect him to be Dante high tower and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: like hold up a guard, you know, like I don't
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: expect him to do that. But a couple of Derek
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Henry's explosive touchdown runs in this game, were they just
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: running at Gonzo Like they're just trying to get on
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the edge, and they're running left and they're running right
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: at Christian Gonzales And at some point some of that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I think is schematic. You know, you can't expect Christian
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Zales to be a force defender. You can't expect him
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: to be somebody that's going to hold up blockers and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: take on pulling guards and stuff like that. So it's both.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I think a little bit of this is on Christian Zales.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: I think in Zoni gets a little bit loose with
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: his technique and could be a little bit tighter in
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: zone coverage. But I also think that it's not a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: great fit for his skill set, And to me, that's
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: on the coaching.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with a lot. I agree with a
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: lot of that. I think you've covered it pretty well.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: So let's go to the stuff that gets you beat.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Then we have to take a break the fake punt
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: just wasn't a good call. Great wasn't a good call.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Do you think they tried? They talked about on the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: broadcast there was one moment earlier in a game where
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: they had to I forget if they took a delay
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: or call the time out, but like they let it
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: run down and for a punt, and it looks like
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: there was some light communication. I wonder if they were
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: maybe trying to put it on earlier, saw something earlier
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: that they wanted to put it on, and for whatever
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: reason didn't. But I did not love in that spot.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think that they did, because I
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: think the two things that happened with the fake punt. One,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: they lined up in a different punt protection formation. So
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: they the punts that they had before in the game
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: they were in like just the typical traditional blocking formation,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: and in this one, the fake punt, they clearly were
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: in a different formation. And that that's always going to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: be a tell, you know that what do we do?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: You know, what's going on here? So the Ravens actually
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: got into punt safe at that point, and they had
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: two levels they had, you know, they basically were in
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: like a like a defensive front. You know, they were
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: in punt safe, so they had two guys at the
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: second level of the of the punt return team, and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel fell on the sword as he should. You know,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: you don't call a fake punt without the blessing of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: the head coach, Like that's not a coordinator level decision.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna pull something out like that, it's going
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: to be on the head coach. But could they have
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: checked out of it once I saw that Baltimore was
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: ready for it. I think that's a fair question.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: That's to me, the like you want to call it
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: and go to the line and see if you get
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: the look, go to the line and see if they
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: did not get the loan you don't get the look,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: you got to be able to check.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Out right on d So that was my big thing.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Was not a great call, not a great time for it.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was needed. They just punted and
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: played field position like Tyler Huntley was gonna run out
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: of his team at some point, you know. And I
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: thought that their defense they should have trusted the defense
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. But my bigger gripe with it
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: was that they didn't check out of it, and I'm
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: not trying to put it on the players. I'm just saying,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: like that's everybody, Like.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Well, they can be coaching thing too, you know, you
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: got to be able to coach them up on how
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to do that right and what to look for. So
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: it was just was not a good play. It was
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: It was not a good play.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: And then the other thing was the two turnovers by
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Drake May, like we got those are things that get
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: you beat. When you turn the ball over and you
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: cost the team points by turning the ball over, that
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: is going to come back to bite it. So they
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: cost it at least six points, you know, maybe even
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: ten if you want to say that. You know, they
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: would have scored or something like that on a later down.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: But the interception, there was pressure. He left the pocket.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: I think he thought Kaishan Boody was going to post
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: up inside and Kaishan Boudy I think thought they were
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: going scramble drill, so they kind of got their signals
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: crossed there. That was a bang bang play that I understand.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: There was just kind of a miscommunication on what was
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: going on on the route a little bit. I think
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Booty also could have put a little bit more effort
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: into trying to prevent the interception, but it was kind
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: of a weird one. The fumble I thought was actually
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: really good, sort of situational football thing because the clock
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: is running. They snapped the ball with twenty three seconds left.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: They had no timeouts, So you can't take a sack
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: on third down, right, because you can't spike it on
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: fourth down to stop the clock. They would have been
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: really hard pressed to get a field goal off if
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: you just took a sack and didn't fumble. So you
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: can't fumble. You can't fumble, obviously, but you can't take
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: a sack period. I think the result might have been
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: same if you had just gotten sacked instead of fumbled.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I would have still tried to try to run the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: you could have tried. I don't know if you would
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: have gotten it off well, because you don't know, Like
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the defense scoops up the ball and they
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: run and.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: The fumble is bad, right, But I don't know if
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: they get the field goal off even if it's a sack,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: So you can't take a sack in that spot. Now,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: this is always the back and forth with Drake. May
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: they cover zero blitz him and there's an open gap
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: and he tries to sneak out of the pocket. Now
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: it didn't work, right, So the results analysis is it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: didn't work. But the other side of it is if
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: he gets out of the pocket there and he picks
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: up the first down with his legs or I think
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: it was Booty and Douglas on that side of the field.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Booty or Douglas go playground mode and get opened down
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: the field and all of a sudden it's a touchdown
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: on a broken play. We all are going crazy about
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: how great of a play it was by Drake May.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: So there's all sorts of different things to it, you know.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: To me, I think he probably should have just rowing
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: it at Hunter Henry's feet and just stop the clock
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: and kick the field goal. But if we all are
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: going to fall in love with the play extensions and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: the scramble drills and the off platform and all that
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: different type of stuff, this is the other side, Like,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: this is the other side of him trying to do stuff.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: I think in that spot you gotta be more careful
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: with the football. But I get it.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was the stuff that gets you beat.
• 1:11:22
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  Speaker 7: So I got a big question for you, Alex. This
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that floated as a So the number one
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  Speaker 1: because it renders the regular season pretty meaningless. It's just
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: getting in or not. You know, once you clinch your
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: playoff spot, what you do for there doesn't really matter.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: If anything. You kind of don't want to look good, uh,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: you know, to get favorable picks. So I'm out on it.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: It's a fun thought in theory, but I'm out.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: I no offense. But that's like a little like that's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: not real, Like that's not that's not something that they
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: would really consider.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I think, like I don't know if baseball actually considered
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: kind of fantasy high level baseball writer considered it.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Or what I would just say is like in a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: sport like football, where motivation and those types of things
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: mean so much, if you get hand picked by the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: number one seed to play them, that is a ton
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: of extra motivation for a team. I think that's actually,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, would be a disadvantage to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: the number one seed because you're creating that sort of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: narrative sneaky.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: The best spot to be would be like the fourth
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: or fifth seed, because you if you're the last team left.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: You don't really get to pick. You kind of get
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: a sign.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I pick Picksburg, by the way, just to play out
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: the exercise. I'd play the.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Steelers, probably the Steelers, maybe the Chargers.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: This is a weird year. It's not they wanted.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: To be a healthier to do it.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: The wildcard teams are good. The wildcard teams are good teams,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: you know. That's I think the number one argument of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: why it's the number one seed in this year is
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: so important is that you don't have to play anybody
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: from the wildcard because I could easily see and I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: would pick the Patriots over the Texans. But is it
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: crazy to say that, like all.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Three the teams can win tough game? Yeah, you know,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: and that's tough, you know.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: So I think that this is one of those years
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: where the wildcard teams are better, might be better than
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: some of the division winners.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Better. Worst postseason format picking your opponent or the college
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: football playoffs? The college football playoff, I know your problems
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Oh god, it's it's terrible.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: The group of five auto bids probably dead.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: All right? Mark is in Connecticut. What's up, Mark, big guy?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my fall as always, I appreciate it,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 6: and I just want to start off by saying, Merry Christmas,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: Happy Holidays, thank you for all this you too, So
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: just want to start off with that last game. I mean,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: it reminded me of Tom Brady throwing to Juliet Edelman
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: just when they got to have it moment, Drake May and.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: Stefan Diggs just they had it. They finally like had
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: that connection. And I'm just really excited hoping that that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 8: will keep on rolling and keep on growing as well.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 8: The other thing I had is why can't the NFL
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: step in when there is a clear and blatant obvious
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 8: miss call. You have two guys, two judges, one of
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 8: the back and one on the size, and the guy
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: is getting yanked down three times during the play and
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: there is a no call again, Why can't the NFL
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 8: get the call right? We have so much technology today,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 8: just get the call right.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: Thanks guys, Love you guys.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Thanks Mark. I'm with you, And you know, talking about
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: the officials is probably one of my least favorite things
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: to do. It's just not for me. But I am
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: totally with Mark, and I think it's a slippery slope
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: and I get that right, But at some point we
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: have to look at the clear and obvious ones, and
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: those ones need to be called correctly, whether that is
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: the sky judge simply buzzing down and say, hey, drop
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: your flag, like we need to throw this flag. Yeah,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's the easiest way to do it. It
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: almost doesn't even need to be known by the public
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: that it was the sky judge, you know what I mean,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Like just put earbuds like little you know.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: IFB's and everybody's ears and so it's not called, and
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: then suddenly three minutes later there's.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: A flag three minutes it's got to be one of these.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: You can't have the late You got to know where
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: it's coming from. You can't have the late flags. Wow,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: is out of nowhere? Well, I mean we talked about
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: this last week because then it looks like the rest
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: are showing up the place. You need transparencies the name
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: of the game. You need to be as transparent as possible.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think I need to hear every single time
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: at one of these sky judges makes a call. I
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: don't think I need Cleete Blakeman to get on the
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: freaking megaphone and tell everybody that it was the sky judge.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: No, you have to have transparency with this. I look
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: they have. I don't understand why because you just have
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: you seen you haven't seen it the ACC when they
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: go to video review, But.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not asking them to go to video review. This
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: one with keseean body could be seen in real time.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: But I don't need to point it like so they
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: show the actual conversation between the official on the field,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: and then I.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Don't need that.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: No, the transparency is so important. Try it just is.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: It's if we're talking about like in bounds, out of bounds,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: a turnover, like a fumble. Is it a fumble?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Is it not a fumble?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: Sure? I don't need that for every single I think
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: you need.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: As much transparency with the officials as possible. What I
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: was gonna say is they actually had Remember they put
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: in the ability to challenge those calls at one.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: Point they did and it was a disaster.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: It was a disaster because they didn't overturn anything, which
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I actually thought was good and they should have let
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: it play out longer because the coaches would have learned, hey,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: we're not going to use this to overturn the tiki
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: tax stuff. This is for you know, the Saints' range,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: that that situation, Who was the stupid umpire that costs
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: the guy the perfect game when the runner is clearly
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: outrunning first, like the very clear and obvious.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: I think all that stuff can be expedited.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: So it can be expedited too. It should be transparently,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: but it can be expedited. But I would bring back
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: the penalty challenge you give won a game. I'd make
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: it a separate thing, but it has to be known
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: and the officials need to make a point. We're not
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: doing the circumcising the mosquito. To use the Jerry Jones phrasing,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: We're not doing that with this like we do with
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: some other plays, like the backwards pass against the Rams. Right,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: it has to be so clear and obvious. It's going
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: to be such a higher standard than what it is
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: for the other challenges.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: So I'm with everybody. I think the number one thing
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: though for me, is it's the agregious ones and you
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: know it when you see it. I don't need every
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: little hole legislated. I don't need every little tug of
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: the jersey legislated. But when Kijan Budi gets tackled trying
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: to with the ball in the air. That needs there
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: needs to be a flag thrown on that play. And
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I would say the same thing if it was a
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: Baltimore Raven, if it was Rashad Bateman getting tackled by
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis, I would have said the same exact thing.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: You know, the rams, you know, Saints one is what
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: the one everybody always brings up. It's not that hard.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: We all know what it looks like when we see it.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: I don't need all the TICKI tag. It shouldn't be
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: slowing it down frame by frame. Just simply get the
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: egregious ones correct. And all you gotta do is have
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: this guy judge radio down say that you missed the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: pass interference, blatant pass in appearance, throw the flag and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: if you want your transparency, then you know Hockey Lee
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: whichever sean hockey right, it's not his dad anymore. Well,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: jets on the on the megaphone and says, you know,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: replay assists, you know had a defensive pass interference. We're
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: throwing the flag.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, just like they do with the expedited reviews,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: I think is the way to do it.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: And we move on no challenges, no video, no long
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: video reviews. Just get it over with all right, Sam
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: is in Virginia. What's up? Sam?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Two quick questions here.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 9: I know you talked about personnel on their own defense.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 9: What do you think about maybe and form genics getting
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: some more snaps here. He's been a good edge defender
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: in the past and then a limit here it feels
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 9: like he's also been buying it rushing passer.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 10: The other thing.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 9: Just want to recalibrate, where are you guys out on
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: the AFC.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: What team?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 9: Kind of hears you're you're most scared of JAG winning
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 9: in Denver this week was a little eye opening to me.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 9: I think really rounding in the form of their past games.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: So just kind of cureus what your thoughts in the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 9: greater AFC. So thanks, He'll pick it off one.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call of Sam. You know what, honestly,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: I have to admit I don't want to play Buffalo
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: at third time.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still number one for me.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Both those games are super close. Both of them came
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: down to the wire. It's always wonky when you play
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: a division opponent a third time in a playoff game.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I just don't really have much interest. I don't think
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: it's a great matchup for the Patriots defense because of
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: the run game that Buffalo has against you. Obviously, maybe
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: the Patriots get healthy and get their guys back on
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: defense and that's better, But overall, Buffalo is still number
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: one to me. You know, I understand everybody's conversations about Houston.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Their defense is great. At the same time, I just
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: their offense has not really been great all year. I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: like Stroud, he's a good player. I think schematically with
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Nick Kaylee, they've had some problems with play calling and
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: with Dex's and No's all year long. They're kind of
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: like a middling offense. And I just have a lot
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: of confidence that Drake May and Josh McDaniels will put
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: up enough points against Houston. It might not be pretty.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: It might it might be kind of like the you know,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: close to you know, twenty three to twenty kind of game.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: That's not exactly a mon elease of offense, because they're
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: going to lose some rounds to Houston, no doubt. But
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: can you just outscore the Texas. You don't have to outscore,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: you know, a great offense right here.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: So let's do this. And we did this exercise two
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: weeks ago. We say we're gonna do it every week.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: We missed it last week, but it might be a
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: ton refresh. Remember you ranked at the quarterbacks among the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: teams that were over five hundred. Do you want to
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: redo the list?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Can we just do the AFC playoff teams? I don't
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: want to, you know, Baltimore and in indianapos.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: So we only did the teams that were over five
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: hundred last time. So it was we're just.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: We're just doing the seven teams that are going to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: the play Well, you're.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Gonna have Indie last anyway, and then it will be
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: the same list.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Like Indy, like Indian and Baltimore are we.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Didn't do Baltimore last time? Okay they were under five hundred.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Well they're the only two teams that are still alive.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm just gonna put the Colts last, because
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: I know, why.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Are we doing We don't need to do the Colts.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Don't last.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: They're not their last, is what you're saying?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: They're not going?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Or is there somebody you're nervous to rank behind the Colts?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Is that the issue.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: No, all right, So can I just rank them in
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: order first to the last, because it's easier that way.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, even with the foot Josh.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Allen number one, I don't I'm not a doctor. I
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: don't do right. I don't do that.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Just reminder this was we included the Patriots in this.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, all right, Drake May number two, Herbert okay, three.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Should I tell you the listener, No, I'm not gonna
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: tell you. Listen last time. I want to see if
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: anything changing now.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: It gets now, it's when it gets starts to get harder.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: I would say Stroud for I think Stroud is is good.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: I like Stroud. I would then go Rogers has been
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: better of late. He's been better the last couple of weeks.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: All right, Trevor is just so streaky, and you know
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: how I.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Feel about you got to put them in some order.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Rogers for now, because I think he's
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: been better. I think he's played well the last couple
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: of weeks. I'll give it a bon Nix and I'll
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: put Trevor.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was me being nice to bow Nicks.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: You did not play well last week, but he played
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: really well against Green Bay.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: You are nothing if not consistent. The only thing you
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: changed from two weeks ago Rogers and Knicks were flipped.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: There you go, So you had Knicks fifth, Rogers sixth.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Now it's Rogers fifth and Nick sixth, and then Trevor
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Lawrence and so all right, you're you're still pretty much
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: where you were on the quarterbacks. I, especially with the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: foot injury, I'd put Drake May one. I'd have Trevor
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: Lawrence higher, I'd put him ahead of Knicks. You're right,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Rogers has been the only.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Reason why I have Josh Allen one is because he
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: has playoff.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair, and you are more in line
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: with that than you were last time because you have
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Rogers over Knicks.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: That's the only reason why I have Josh Allen ahead
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: of Drake. If Drake may goes out there and plays
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: great in the postseason, I my mind might change. But
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen has not been the reason why the Bills.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: So you're more or less where you were two weeks
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: ago in terms of the quarterbacks.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you know this. The Patriots really
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: the only game where I'd feel strongly that the Patriots
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: don't have the best quarterback is against Buffalo. Now, Herbert's awesome.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Herbert's great, so he's right there with those guys. I
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: think Herbert is probably going to finish in the top
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: five MVP voting as well. He's had a great year
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: and he's a great player. But those three guys are
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks in the field right now for sure.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: And then it kind of drops off after there, and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: it's sort of like a tier, you know, like that
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: that top tier of Alan May, Herbert, and then there's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: a gap and then there's the rest of these guys.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, bo Knicks is just last week
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: he was not so good against Jacksonville. The week before
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: that he was great against Green Bay. I just can't
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: get a great feel for him. Trevor Lawrence kind of
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: same thing. Streaky, streaky quarterback.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. I'm still not sure how if Aaron Rodgers
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: is good or bad.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: We're starting getting like, is Aaron Rodgers just pissed off
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: and on the revenge tour? But also we know what
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: he's been in the playoffs. Yeah, but no, I think
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: that's mostly a fair list. Again, I'd quibble with a couple,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: but I think you're more or less in the ballpark.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: You would have Drake May ahead of Josh.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Allen if his foot's messed up.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, oh, I just said I'm not I'm not taking
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: the facts.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: He's like missing practices before. It is a huge game.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: It's a big game. They need to keep winning.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: So right, Like, I'm not a doctor either, but is
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: I would consider Allan missing practice a week if they
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: were playing the Jets, I might not read into it
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: as much. I would consider Alan missing practice in a
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: week like this a red flag. It's not good now.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: It's not open heart surgery. No, it's not a former
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: head coach. There's probably only one guy that can split
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: his hand open and go out and win the AFC
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Championship the next week. He don't make him like that
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: guy anymore. They didn't before, and they don't know. Josh
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Allen's pretty tough, though, Josh Allen, Josh Allen's pretty tough.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: And I would say that. You know, with Alan the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: second half against Cleveland, I watched almost all that game.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: He was not the same guy.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: And the second looked uncomfortable.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: So if he wasn't moving around, he wasn't bouncing around.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: He wasn't using his legs. So if that's how he
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: looks on Sunday against Philly, maybe he's better by the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: time the playoffs come around, because he's got a couple
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: of weeks. But if I was Buffalo, you know, I'd
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: be a little bit worried.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: We might need to read the list again next week
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: when we see how he looks.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about the Bills for a second, because
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: I know you love talking about the Bills.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I always love talking about the Bills.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely coming more towards your side of the street
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: with the Bills a little bit. And I think the
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: main thing that I'm coming towards your side of the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: street on is I think it's being severely downplayed. How
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: much if a failure would be to lose the division
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: to the Patriots.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Can't say bad things about the Buffalo Bills there everybody's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: feel good.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's getting masked by the fact that they
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: still are eleven and four and are going to the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: playoffs and they're still very good team. So I think
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are saying are kind of glossing
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: over it, and I get the vision titles or it
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: are not Super Bowls, and you don't hang banners for
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: them here in New England. And I get that, but
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: coming into the season, the Bills were a heavy, heavy
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: favorite to win the AFC East, Like, there was no
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: way the Bills really should have lost the division this
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: year to the Patriots. Now, the Patriots have been much
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: better than expectation, but a step back in the division
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: by losing the division to the Patriot it's and then
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: in a playoff exit, Like, I just don't know how
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: you keep going forward with this with Sean McDermott and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Billy and I was gonna say, Billy Bean and Brandon Bean, like,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you keep doing running it back
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: and running it back and running it back, because if
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: they let's just say, let's play it out, and I'm
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: sure you'll be happy to play it out this way,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: they're gonna lose the division to the Patriots if there
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: are been one and done in the playoffs, Like let's
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: say they lose to like Jacksonville in the first round
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: of the playoffs. I don't know how that's not like
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: an abject failure, like and it just it's odd to
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: me that we're kind of glossing over the fact that
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Buffalo has regressed like that is a big regression. For
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: Buffalo to go from Division champs five years in a
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: row to one and done as a wildcard team is
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: a huge regression from Buffalo.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: And I'd like to think the way we're the reason
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: it's not being dissect is because everybody saw it coming.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's it. They got older, they lost
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: talent off the roster. It's the NFL is not designed.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna make this a Bills thing. I mean,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: I'll make it, and I know the Chiefs have some
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: injuries and stuff, but like remember a couple of years ago,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: the conversation was, well, the Bills have Josh Allen their wagon.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: The Dolphins just signed this wonder kid offensive genius named
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, and look out, the Jets got future Hall
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: of Fame Ran Rodgers. Like there were people saying for
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: the next five years, the Patriots can't win the division.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Don't even bother, right, And I just it's not to
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: take a victory lap or like you know, defend the wall,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: wave the Patriots flag. It's that's not how the NFL works.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: There is an undercurrent, an active undercurrent in the NFL
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: designed to make the good teams bad and the bad
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: team's good with the great everybody back to the men
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: right with the great organizations know how to do is
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: hold off that undercurrent as long as possible. You really
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: have like a three to four year window if you're
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: lucky to be a good team. The great organizations can
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: stretch that to like six or seven. Twenty years is ridiculous. Yeah,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: twenty years is by no means the standard. It never
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: will be. It will never be done again.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: So the Chiefs did it for ten The Chiefs.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Did it and it was like a soft head well
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: because Alex Smith years where they were fine. Sure, so
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: they did it from what eighteighteen eighteen they were the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: name championship came eighteen to twenty. That's a pretty good run.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: That's what six years, seven years, So that's a good run.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Should feel good. That's a good run. Eight years the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: eight year you're making me do math Like the Bills
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: are caught in that undertow right now. Yeah, the Bills
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: are caught in that undertowe and they can't get out
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: of it. And yes they still have Josh Allen. He
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: will keep them at a certain level. I don't think
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be picking first overall anytime soon. But the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: fact that everybody thought the Buffalo Bills, for whatever reason,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: were going to be immune to this cycle that comes
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: for everybody not named Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. I
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: don't know, but it's catching up to him. And look,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: maybe they still can win this year. The Patriots won
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: as the cycle is catching up to them. In twenty eighteen,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: the cycles catching up to them again, they still wan
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: second again, Right, well, they kind of dodged it as
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: well as you can dodge it the first time. But
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: like that's the other thing, Like the AFC is weak
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: because it's going to be they have to do it,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: they don't do it. To see, they're not going to
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: I keep on bringing up the same comparison to and
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: I know people don't necessarily like crossing sports, but it's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four Celtics, like.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I've said that get furious when I said that.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Path has completely cleared, you know, the deck has completely cleared.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: And if you don't do it that year, then when
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: is it going to happen with this setup? Right, I'm
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: not saying it will never happen for Josh Allen, because
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: you know how I feel about Josh Allen. But with McDermott,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: are they hitting their ceiling as a team. I think
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: you could make a really good case that they are.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: That this is sort of hit it. I think they're
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: below their ceiling. Your ceiling was probably like three whatever
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: that digs years. Yeah, and then you know you get
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: the question of and by the way, the Saint. You
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: can say the Saint just so I'm not picking on
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: the Bills. He can say same thing about the Bengals,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: about Joe Burrow. At what point does that Matthew Stafford
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: path start to look really attractive to those guys.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: You can say the same thing about Baltimore right now
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: with Lamara Jackson. I mean they're they're going backwards. That
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: team is not gonna make the playoffs. Now Lamar got hurt, right, Still,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna make the plays.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: I think the unique thing for all three of those
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: guys is they haven't They've only had one head coach. Yeah,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: so maybe you know, they give another coach a try.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of them are asking out this year.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: That thing's gonna be looming. That thing is going to
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: be looming, and you know the Jets are gonna have
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: picks for the next couple of years.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: It's crazy how great of jobs those would be, right,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: if you have openings in Baltimore, Buffalo, what was it there? Cincinnati?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: Eventually Andy Reid's gonna hang it out.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: So I threw this out there the other day on
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: the Morning Show on ninety eight five, Like, do any
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: of those teams almost get scared off for firing their coach?
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Especially the Ravens, Right, John Harbaugh is a great coach
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: and his time has come, and it just they probably
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: just need to part ways. I think Andy Reid and Philly, right,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: But you can't just fire Harbor to fire Harbor and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: replacing with who ever if the Ravens job opens, what's
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: the better job? The Ravens are the Chiefs.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Ravens really, yeah, I think their rosters better.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Wow, all right, well then that derails my day. I
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, like, you can't fire John Harbaugh and
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: then suddenly be like the fourth team left, like the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: fourth most popular team in the coaching game.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, so I would say that it's probably more
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: like mahomes mahomes of those chief If you look at
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: the rest of the roster. Yeah, I think it's Baltimore
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: because there there are other pieces that are younger, like
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones are probably at the end too,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: Like this is probably Travis Kelcey's last.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: If all four were to open up, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, Bengals. Yeah,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: most attractive to least attractive job.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Bill's number one.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, we can't put the Ravens ahead of the Chiefs
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: and then say the Bills are ahead because of the roster.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: The Bills roster thinks Bill's number one, Okay, all right,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen fan.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Boy, But it's it's just it's just obvious, like he's
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: he's the youngest of those guys, is he. Yeah, he's
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: the best of those guys. Like he's definitely younger than Mahomes.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Uh so, I I just Bills and Allen's like twenty eight,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: twenty nine.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: He is maybe Joe Burrow's younger, about like seven months.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Burrow. I forgot about Burrow. I was thinking
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: more of Lamar.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: I think he is young. So all right, Bills are
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: number one, Ravens real number one, Chiefs yep, Bengals because
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: the Bengals team is Joe Burrow and Jamar chasing T.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Higgins and that's nothing. Their defense is So.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: You say you rank it basically by how good the
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: roster is, except the team with the worst roster.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: I don't, for I don't think they have the worst roster.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Oh I think their rosters worse than Bills, or worse
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: than Bengals.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: Worse than the Bengals.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at least the Bengals are chasing Higgins.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: What how is it worse than the Bengals. The Bengals
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: have nobody on defense. Their defense is terrible.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: The Bill's defense is old.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: So I guess they have Rousseau, they have Benford, they
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: have Oliver like they have good players on defense. They
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Terroll Bernard is a good linebacker. All I guess I
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: don't know their defense. They don't have the star power
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: the Bengals do. Not I mean, they don't have the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: skill talent that the Bengals do. But other than that,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: I think they have a better roster everywhere else. Their
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: offensive line is better than the Bengals. Their run game
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: is better. James Cook is better than anybody.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: All right, I might have got caught up in the moment,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: they don't have a better roster than the Ravens, though I.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Think it's close with the Ravens. I think it's close.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: I would just take Josh Allen over the Mark, but
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: it's it's a that one's close. The Kansas City roster,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: the issue is everybody's old, Like like they're guys, you know, Kelsey,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Chris Jones, like those guys have to be. I'm sure.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: I think the Bills are, like Dawkins is older, you know,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: some of those guys on defense, Milano is still playing,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Poyer is still playing a key role for him.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Poyer doesn't play a ton Milano. Milano is is older,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: and that's a bit of a problem.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: But I think they're through Bosa edge.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: They've tried their best to kind of move on from
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of those guys. Though. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. No,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they don't have holes. I just I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: would say their roster is good enough that when you
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: have the best quarterback in the league on top of it,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: I'm saying Buffalo, but it's close with Baltimore, Kansas City.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Outside of like Trent McDuffie, I just don't have a lot.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what else you're building around.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: Duffy you have. I think he's a good player.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Player, his heads on Checko hasn't been the same guy.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: That super Bowl run was good.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: It's fair. I don't know what. The Chiefs have a
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: ways to go.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: The Chiefs their roster's not very good. That's why I
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: keep like, that's why everyone's like so stunned that they're
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: out of the playoffs and homes and all that stuff.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, look at the team, like the roster is
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: not good, right, you know that roster is really not good.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: All right, let's do ten minutes on the Jets. That's
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: probably ten more minutes than we need to spend on
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: the Jets.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: This, to me, there's called there's three different ways to
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: categorize this game against the Jets. Number one is to say,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: any given Sunday, right, is the NFL weird crap happens?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Cleveland just played Buffalo tough in Cleveland last week. You
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: know that that thing, right, like this could happen. I heard,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: and I love him the debt, but I heard Mike
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Reese talking like up the Jets the other day and
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: saying that this is a sneaky hard game. I love you, Mike,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: I do, but it's not I'm sorry. Okay, the Jets,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: this Jets team, I can't do the any given Sunday angle.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: I just can't. But that at a angle's there if
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: you want it.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: You know what the twenty nineteen Dolphins beg to differ.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: The twenty nineteen Dolphins, though, had a better team than
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: this they did, and better coach and they had fits magic. Yeah,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's not Brady Cook, who is probably
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: the tape commander right now for the Jets more than anything.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I might have been wrong about my Brady Cook take.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he stinks.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: I said, like seventh round project. Guy. It's not like
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: I was ready to know.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I mean that's okay. I'm not like killing you for it.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Just he's not good. So there's that angle. I'll allow
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: that to be part of the discussion. The second angle
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: to me is the seeding, the division, the stakes that
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: come with the game in terms of all of that,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: which is important. You know, the Patriots can win the
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: AFC East on Sunday if they beat the Jets and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: the Eagles beat the Bills, they're gonna be AFC's chances.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: But go birds go, Birds, there you go.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: I think that would be big. I think that taking
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Week eighteen out of this and kind of just letting
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: you coast is probably the best.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Case scenario because then, so I don't know if you've
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: seen this, I've tried to figure this out. I can't
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: find a scenario where it doesn't happen. But if the
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Patriots win the division, yes, I don't think they can
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: get the three seed. Like if they lose enough games
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: to fall to the three seed, I think that just
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: means that they are the wild card.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds so, because they're one game ahead to Jacksonville.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Right, I don't think they have the head to head
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: or the tiebreaker, whatever the tie breaker is. So if
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: you win this week and clinch the division, you can
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: assent even if you don't get the bye. You can
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: essentially create your own pseudo bye week. We can, so
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: now that's usually locked into the tune of I'm not positive.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: I think the tricky part is, of course, that the
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Chargers and the Broncos playing Week eighteen, that game could
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: get flexed into the primetime Sunday night slot because it
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: could be for the AFC West if they both if
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: the Chargers win on Saturday against Houston, then they are
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: are going to if they beat the Broncos in week eighteen.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: They the head to head. So who has the number
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: one seed tiebreaker between the Patriots and Chargers.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: The Patriots if the Patriots went out. Interesting, So that
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: that's that's the difference there, right, Okay, But I think
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: this is I still feel this way. I said this yesterday.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: I think you can beat the Dolphins as long as
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: Drake May plays. And it's one of those games that
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: at it's conservative and I know you're getting Steven Jackson
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice if he didn't have
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: to Well, I.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Think he's going to have to if you want to
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: not out. But the inactives that that day can be
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Robert Spallane Kiris Tonga, you know, if you don't want
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: to play Milton Williams. You know, like all of these
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: guys that are banged up that you need to get
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: healthy for the playoffs. None of those guys need to play.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: But let's be also clear about something. Somebody has to play.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: So you can't bench all twenty two starters on both
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: sides of the ball. Doesn't work like that in football,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: you can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Not even so when you're losing team you can because
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: you just put half your team on hot ir inside
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  Speaker 1: your practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do that now, right, So you can't do that.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: So some of their starters are going to have to
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: play against Miami. Now, maybe it's Austin Hooper getting more
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: run instead of Hunter Henry, and it's Kyle Williams getting
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: more run, and Vawn Diggs and Charles a Lot like
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: you do that sort of thing. But some people are
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: gonna have to play. So there's that angle, the seating,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. The other the last angle that I
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: think is the most important to me is it's a
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: classic tune up game. It is a classic. We are
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: gonna play bmidgie state as Alabama in the second game
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: of the season, and we are going to win by seventy.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Mercer mercer, sure, uh.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: And we're gonna you know, al Corn State and we're
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: gonna win by one hundred. But we're gonna feel good
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: about ourselves doing it. Maybe the Jets press some buttons
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: or pull some levers that have given the Patriots some issues,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: you know running the ball. Obviously with breist Hall, you know,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: some of the coverage stuff that they did in Week
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: eleven in the second half could come back. And so
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: you get practice, live in game practice against these things,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: and it's not the same path, it's not the same team.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: But the twenty eighteen team, it was definitely the Bills.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: I think it was the Bills and the Jets. I
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: don't remember if it was the Bills and the Dolphins
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: or the Bills and the Jets, but they played two
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: division games at the end of the year. In twenty eighteen,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: they got right, they got their stuff figured out, They
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: figured out their run game to leaniles in the playoffs
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: at home, and it completely flipped the season from the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: Miami miracle and the Pittsburgh lost to a super Bowl team.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: And so you can use tune up games to your advantage.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's another thing that you'd like
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: to see. Can they get the run defense settled down
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: against a good run game back to back weeks, because
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: Devon Ahan, if he plays for Miami and Week eight eighteen,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: is one of the best running backs in the league
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: this year, Yeah, and Bresol is a good player. Can
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: you get the run defense figured out if the Jets
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: play man to man coverage, if they play drop eight,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: if they play a lot of too high shell like
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: all that was different things that teams have started to
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: do against the Patriots more and more. Here's this is
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to kind of get some live in game
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: practice against that type of stuff. I don't think that
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: there's any scenario that I could come up with where
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: the score or the result of the game is in doubt,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: but it would be nice to see them shore up
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: some of these things going into the postseason. So I
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: would have felt differently about Miami if Miami didn't fall
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: apart and Tuo was still playing and they were like
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: that would have reminded me of twenty nineteen, like a
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: frisky Dolphins team. This Jets team is not that. This
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: Jets team is in a free fall.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tcob game, take care of business.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Brady Cook terrible against the Blitz. So if they
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: have to start pulling out some things, heating him up
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: is probably the path that they're going to take. He
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: is the least efficient quarterback out of forty five qualified quarterbacks.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: He is forty fifth out of forty five, and epage
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: per drop back against the Blitz he is double worse.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: Than the next closest guy. Wow, So cam Ward is
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: like minus can't Ward really? Yeah?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Cam Ward is like minus by these numbers, I wish
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: they were easier to digest minus zero point five against
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: the Blitz. Brady Cook is minus one point one six
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: against the Blitz. Okay, anything over one in either direction
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: is insane. Like that is like categorically insane on a
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: play to play basis. So if they have to do something,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: if this game is closer than they want it to
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: be and they have to start making some plays, heating
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: up Brady Cook is the way to go. You know,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: a guy can't handle a Blitz. So that's the Jets.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: You have anything else to add on the Jets?
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: That much it?
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so well we can end it there. We want
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: it a little bit early. Look at us, Look at us.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: This never happens. I wish I had more to tell
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: you about the Jets. I'll give you one little thing
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: about the Jets actually, because you know, I don't like
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: ending early. I don't like short changing the people. Sneaky
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Christian Zalees eighty Mitchell matchup. Ad Mitchell gave him some.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Issues, problems, He just got dropping the ball.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Week eleven wasn't the best for Christian Gonzalez. I
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: didn't think last week was particularly great for Christian Gonzalez either,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: so you can shut people like me up. Even though
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: Brady Cook's going to be throwing in the ball, I'm
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: still going to watch and see if he's winning routes
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: or not. Right, So I would like to see Christian
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Gonzalez kind of be a little bit like mad that
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell got him a couple of times the last time,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: and this time really take Adie Mitchell out of the game.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: We'll obviously be watching Milton Williams if he comes back.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: That will be one to just watch how he looks
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: and how he's moving and things like that. And you know,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: this could be the last game for Vederian Low at
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: left tackle because Will Campbell will be eligible to come
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: back against the Dolphins. But Will McDonald is probably one
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: of the Jets' best players and probably one of the
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: only like bright spots on that defense which has been horrid,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: and he'll be rushing off the left side on Vederian Low.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: So those are some matchups look out for. But I
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: am watching Gonzales closely against Mitchell.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how he bounces back in that matchup
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: because he Yeah, Mitchell got him a couple times last night.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: All right, there we go.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: It got us to eleven fifty. All right, Alex and
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: I will be back next week. We will do a
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: show on New Year's Eve as well, and we will
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: recap this Jets game, talk about the Dolphins, look at
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: the AFC playoff picture, which we'll really be down to
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: the wire. Maybe well that those games won't happen yet,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: right because your college football playoffs has got a stupid schedule,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: so we won't talk college football.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: First game will be well, the first game will be
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: that night, so we get in.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe a little bit of that as well. All right,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: so we'll see you guys then. Patriots unfilter will be
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: up in ten minutes. Hey, this is Alex.
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