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Disneyland Paris Part Deux · The Worst: Beyond the Magic

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_01: Pete, last week we spent almost an hour explaining why Disneyland Paris is apparently trying to kill its guests.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: And somehow we barely scratched the surface.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: We covered roller coasters, haunted mansion, a giant dragon underneath the freaking castle, and the fact that the cat French cast members aren't necessarily gonna hold your hand through your vacation.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: Which frankly I respect.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we left out some pretty important things.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like the entertainment, the restaurants, and how to actually enjoy the place without going bankrupt.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: And whether the food is any better than what we expected.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's a low bar.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a low bar.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: So welcome back to the worst beyond the magic as we head back to Disneyland Paris for part deux.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Look at you speaking French.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I I have saying Beauty and the Beast.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know any other French words?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Croissant.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Just a quick reminder, I visited Disneyland Paris two years ago with my wife and our three kids.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: We stayed in central Paris.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: We stayed in the sixth and did both parks in one day.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Pete just got back from his trip, stayed at the Sequoia Lodge, and experienced some of the newer additions to Disneyland Paris.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I definitely did it better.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you look you look like you stayed at a hotel, or Uncle Buck should have been our front and just said the moves out front should have told you.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: I loved every minute of it.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's do a quick recap.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: Part one covered the rides, the Castle, the Dragons, Sequoia Lounge, Lodge, Transportation, Arendale, and why the French apparently believe roller coasters should be a contact sport.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: So today we're talking about everything else we didn't get to.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently Disney has things besides roller coasters, Jamie.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't I didn't know that myself.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently there's a mouse and some characters, but usually I go for the roller coasters.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, Pete, like I said, we discussed for nearly an hour last week, and somehow we barely talked about any of the entertainment there.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Which is probably because neither of us actually stayed to watch much of it at all, like we normally do.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: They have what's called Disney Stars on Parade.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Brief um that's a parade that they have right in the beginning of the day.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's when you started your day.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna assume that this parade is lit because I mean it felt like wo it felt like Woodstock, man.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like I got there, I was and and I said it last week.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was not happy about the crowd.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is crazy.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've never even seen Disney World this packed.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: So there must be something to this parade because people were jammed in there ready to see it.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: So let me ask you this would you sacrifice any attraction time to stand there and watch it?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: I get itchy next to people waiting for things, you know, if and I can't skip the line for the parade.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's way too people-y.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's way too people-y.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now, don't get me wrong, as we've discussed, I will I will jam myself in there for um the booty ooh, the Halloween parade at Mickey's Not So Scary, but I am I am going into this unarmed and unaware of how good or how bad the Paris parade is.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I was not ready to get friendly and Parisian with the with the folks.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think it's probably more important.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: If it's your first time going, so you and I have both been there now.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: If it's your first time going, I think the entertainment is probably more important on your first time visit.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that goes for, you know, it could be Disneyland, it could be Walt Disney World, our home park, or it could be Disneyland Paris.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's your first time, I think it's worth staying for.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: But that's neither here or there.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't do it here.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't see I have I have nothing else to add.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you, man, me too.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I I will tell you this, I I approach the parks um very similarly.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: I enjoy the theater and I enjoy shows and musicals and all that stuff.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think I've always approached it, especially with little kids, uh, as we're gonna go for the rides first, the experience, and then in between times, we're gonna check out a show or whatever.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, for Disney it has never let me down in that sense.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like when we finally saw Nemo at uh Animal Kingdom after my like my sixth or seventh visit, I was like, damn, we should have been seeing these guys all along.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: The entire time.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: So they do they they do.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: The only one I'm consistent about is um getting out of the heat and watching the sing-along in Hollywood studios so I can see some snow and some cold and some really hilarious cast members.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Some adult jokes, definitely.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's one of my favorite ones to go to.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think another one at Walt Disney World, it would be um in Africa and to go watch The Lanking.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think they put on a Broadway spectacular show there, and it's it's definitely worth your time.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: But we're not talking about Walt Disney World.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: We're going back to Paris and La Francais, and we're gonna stick there.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: So we probably did the most American thing possible, American Disney thing possible.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, we took our American attitude, we went to France with it, and we said, meh, we're leaving.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're going straight to the roller coasters, right?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: So they have one other thing in entertainment that we don't have, and that's a nighttime entertainment with drones.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a huge fan of drones.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kind of a nerd, I'm a drone pilot, you know.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of like them.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't know that about me, and neither now all our listeners now that too that I'm a super giant nerd.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, Disneyland Paris has a featured drone technology.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's our nighttime spectacular Disney Tales of Magic.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: It combines projections, music, fireworks, and other effects, including the drone show.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: So let me ask you this.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Does do you think the drone technology would improve the fireworks?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: You think we could do that here in Florida?
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think if you've seen the drones and what they can do, I I think you are comparing apples and oranges.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you hopefully you can have both.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: The drone show definitely augments a good fireworks show, but it definitely is awe-inspiring to see.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: While I didn't see it in Paris, I have seen drone shows and and it's incredible, especially what they can do with technology.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: We grew up in an age where that was not even conceivable.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: So just seeing that in action is really incredible.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I do regret leaving before the nighttime entertainment started in Disneyland, Paris.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: But again, we were like, it was jet lagged and we were so tired and wanted to get back to the hotel.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: And again, we stayed off of property, so that's another thing you got to play into it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: You stayed on property where you could stay a little bit later and take a nice, easy stroll back to your hotel.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas we had to get back in the train or our car and drive all the way back downtown.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: So things uh to play into your trip, definitely.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we fit we failed the viewers.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: We could have stayed and watched it.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm sure it was wonderful, but you know, we ended up going back and uh enjoying a nightcap before bed because you know, we are a little bit sounds good to me.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, that sounds perfect to me.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna mention briefly a couple other things that Disneyland Paris offers as far as entertainment goes.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: They offer the Mickey and the Magician.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's a theatrical Disney musical production.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: They have their version of the Lion King, uh, they and they actually are going to expand.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: I know they expanded to Arendelle, but they're also gonna expand to the Lion King land as well.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I forgive me, I don't know the name of that land at the time, but they're gonna expand the parks as well over in Adventure World uh too.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: So in addition to Arendelle, that's now open.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: They also have uh Pixar Musical Adventure, uh Pixar inspired theatrical entertainment.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: I so here's the question.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you and I have the same right brain, and uh we didn't really care much about the entertainment.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Did we make a mistake by concentrating so much on the rides we skipped all the entertainment?
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think again, it you know, it's often choose your own adventure.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a good reason to go back or a good reason to add a second full day to your trip if that's what you're what you're looking for, if you're getting some information on Paris right now and you haven't been.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think you know, you can do the rides and have the snacks and see the sights in a day and a really full day and you're moving.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: But if you wanted to add some shows and take your time with it and really take a take a full bite out of Disneyland Paris, I don't feel like I missed anything, um, but I definitely, if I went back, I would add those in for a fuller experience.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: This was a trip for us.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: We we were in Paris, we did Disneyland Paris, then we moved on to Italy.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a very short trip for us, but still uh choose your own adventure, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a that's a great point.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: So if someone is choosing their own adventure, how many days would you recommend that they stay there?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say they they stay on property like you did.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: How long would you recommend that that person stay there to get the most out of both of those parks without rushing from here to there?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think if you're gonna go really fully experience it, I think three days would be more than enough to get all of the experience in there and um to be relaxed so you're not feeling like you're rushing to get everything accomplished.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: And you can see the fireworks, you can see the shows, you can explore the hotels, you can go to downtown Disney, you can do it all.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's I think that's a great time.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have that luxury when we were there, but you had a little bit more time than I did, but uh we tried to take it all in and do two parks in one day, and we did it.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: But it was it was a long day, and we missed a bunch in between.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we definitely, definitely want to go back.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: So now we have to talk about the hot button item on here.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: We went to a country, we both went to France, that is internationally known for wine and food.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And somehow the food inside Disneyland Paris was one of the least impressive parts of both of our trips.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually pretty impressive.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: We're in France.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: How do you screw up dinner?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but they they managed to do so.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I have uh I'm actually opening up my phone right now because I did we did have a couple of treats that we wouldn't find at uh Walt Disney World or Disneyland in California.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: So there are some neat things that you have to find.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Brianna had this really nice little brownie thing, you know, it was uh looks cute punzel-based.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was actually yeah, really good.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't take a picture of mine, but they have like bowls, and mine had salmon in it and stuff.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it was one of the areas where I found it was just outside of Arendelle that they had these little areas.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that place right outside of there with the bowls and those desserts, uh, three little kiosks right before you get to Pixar plates.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Really, really delicious.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm with you on the rest of it.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like we went and ate in Paris and had some great meals, and then we were at uh at Disney, and and it just really was, like we said last week, disappointing in the sense that you know it it tried to be American, but didn't quite hit the mark.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think we we discussed last episode, we really want them to explore their French cuisine.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: What people come from all over the world for is their French cuisine, and they're they try to uh they try to Americanize that so much.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: They've tried to bring that Americanized food into the Disneyland Paris because that's what they think the tourists want.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And may maybe that's the case.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's certainly not the case with you and I.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think we b both agreed that we we want more more French cuisine.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: The places that we went outside of the Phantom Manor, they had a um, all of them seemed to have like a grill where they gave you some a little bit of steak, a little bit of sausage.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, the meat level was group good, but you know, we were trying to find a decent steak uh wherever we went.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't really find one that was that great.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh our conception of medium rare was not the same idea as them.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um didn't quite translate.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: But we did enjoy the club level food offering that they had at Sequoia Lodge.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: They had the the little appetizers and whatnot that were really great.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if you if you want to spend a little extra for club level, they give you the free breakfast.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it comes with the breakfast and the snacks throughout the day.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it was really enjoyable.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then, but overall, I'm with you.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: We wanted a more authentic cuisine.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: So apparently they do have a more French cuisine restaurant that is themed to Remy there.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's inside Adventure World near Ratatouille, uh, similar to Chefs of France in in Epcot, which I have I've dined at.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Have you have you eaten there in Epcot?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's we didn't eat there, and we did walk by Chef Remy's.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's outside of Ratatouille, and so you can see inside the windows, and it's really great theming.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, I can't speak to the food, but the um, you know, you're you're sitting with those oversized props, so you're you're at the the rat rat size perspective of things, which is really cool.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but we didn't we didn't try the food.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and do you want to try and butcher the name of this restaurant?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna give it a shot.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: You ready?
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go for it.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Bistrot ches remi.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: This one's easy.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Bistro che remi.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Bistrot chez remi.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: How about that?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: America.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Some French potatoes.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: I got no gas in it.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was terrible.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: And apologize to any of our French uh folks out there in the world that are listening to this.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Please don't judge us.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Or do, maybe you already do.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: You probably do.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: They're gonna judge us.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so like like Pete said, they're definitely gonna judge us.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like Pete said, there are a bunch of oversized props in it similar to the ride.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, they shrink it down to the reit-de-level.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what you're paying there for is the theming, right?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: You're paying for similar to a Walt Disney World when you go to Chef Mickey's.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're certainly not paying for the food, you're paying for the atmosphere and the experience there.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're not paying for the$7 breakfast that they're feeding you and they're charging it$16 for.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think it would be something to be worth going to in the future, uh, as long as your your children are little and those who enjoy Remy.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Another one that they have is Captain Jack's.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's easy one to pronounce.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's a restaurant and uh pirates area in the Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like eating inside the attraction.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: So similar to Disneyland, uh, what is the name of the restaurant?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Disneyland that goes through Pirates, I believe it's Blue Bayou, right?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Blue Bayou is the name of that restaurant.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: You with me?
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, I don't think it's Blue Bayou, though.
• 13:50
  unknown: Yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: No?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think okay.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's similar to that where you there it the restaurant itself is inside the ride, and on the boat, you would pass by the restaurant.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that's also something that is there.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that one unique American restaurant, and it says right in the name, is Waltz, the the name, the namesake himself.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: So Waltz is the name of the restaurant.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's an American restaurant located on Main Street USA with decor celebrating Walt Disney himself.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: We tried both days to get reservations to that one.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say definitely try to get that reservation ahead of time because you can't get it last minute.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: The the Pirates' ride we talked about was super, and then and it reminded me of the three Caballeros because you do ride around the edge of that restaurant.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you were in the boat, the slow ride at the beginning, and you do see the restaurant up above.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that theming in there is super cool.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do remember that.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: I remember it, I remember that ride being a lot scarier than what it was here in the States.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: And there's more, there's definitely more than one drop for sure.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Paris is not afraid.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Not afraid.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Not afraid of your feelings.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh all right.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Last one there is the Royal Banquet, and that's character dining at the Disneyland Hotel featuring upscale buffet, royal characters similar to what uh Cinder Cinderella's Royal Table or 1900 Park Fair here at uh the Grand Floridian.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Would you pay a premium for that type of character dining while visiting France?
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: I would similar to it.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: You would do it, okay.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if I brought young ladies, girls, little kids with me, or even if I was helping set up a a family with little little kids that were into that kind of thing, I would definitely point him in that direction because you know it's part of the experience.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, us as adults, we get into that mindset.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna do the rides, we're gonna, you know, drink the champagne, we're gonna do the things.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: You don't want to forget that there is magic associated with all that and the and the characters, uh, and it is really, really neat to go all the way to France and sit in the castle.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I would I would definitely point people in that direction, even though I haven't done it myself.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so you've got one really nice dinner left in France.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna eat in Disneyland Paris or are you gonna take the train into the city?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because you did both.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, while I love Disney, I think if if I'm going for the really good meal, I'm gonna go and take the train back in Paris.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I 100% agree.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: My wife and I, my cousin went with as kind of our our babysitter.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: She watched the three kids, and Ani and I got to explore the city a little bit and we went out to dinner with each other.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Went to a nice restaurant, obviously French.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Our waiter spoke zero English, uh, which all added to the magic of that experience.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: We had to point it to me.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: They had to go find a special menu for us that had English translation on it, uh, because neither one of us uh know French.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we know Spanish pretty well, but we don't speak French other than knowing how to count to five, and that's as far as I go.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it was it was an incredible experience, and the wine was fantastic and the food was amazing.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um again, don't be afraid by the the dining atmosphere there as far as like your your service goes.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not bad service.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: You may think it's bad service because of our our standards here in America, uh like turning tables or whatnot, but it's it's just their culture, it's just how they are.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's just they want you to sit and enjoy each other's company, enjoy the bottle of wine, enjoy an appetizer, enjoy the atmosphere.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's not so much rush, rush, rush, go, go, go.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: We got a we got a business meeting to go to here in the States.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's very, very different.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: So just remember that and and and enjoy that aspect of it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Don't be frustrated by it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: So we've talked about rides, we've talked about restaurants, but Disneyland Paris has plenty of character experiences too.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Did you get a chance to meet any of the characters while you're there?
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it's similar to Disneyland in the sense that there are characters all about, which is really nice.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: We did, I didn't get in line for anybody.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: We did meet the boss.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: We saw Disney in his nice little French suit there.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you listening, that uh Pete has a picture of French Mickey walking.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he took a selfie with French Mickey.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right outside of Arendale.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yet again, I think that was just getting that bowl of food I was telling you about earlier.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: But we also saw Wendy and Pan roaming around over uh at Avengers uh section, we saw um Gamora and uh Star Lord.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: So the characters are all over.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: They they tend to get pretty crowded pretty fast.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we didn't try to get any uh autographs or hang out or talk to the characters or anything.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: So uh it is nice uh that they're around and that they roam around a little bit more often in the Disney World.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: But as far as interactions, I didn't get any.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: How about y'all?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: We did.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh remember the story I had told about my daughter and Ant-Man?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that was here.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: That that was there.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: That was in Disneyland Paris.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Had to go all the way across the pond of Disneyland Paris to get that character interaction.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you that don't know what we're talking about, uh, my daughter was two, and I had her by the hand, and she was literally jumping like a like a frog, like leaffrogging, because she's two, and that's what that's what two-year-olds do.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: She was have living her best life, and we were walking through Avengers campus.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: And here comes behind me, I can feel this presence behind me, and here comes Ant-Man, and he he kind of slides in between myself and my daughter and starts to jump with her like a like a like leaffrogging.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: And she just looked at him, gave a big smile on her face, and just kept going.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he did it right along with her.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's the kind of magic, that's the kind of interaction that you just don't expect to see or yeah, having to experience while you're there.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't that's what makes it so great, that's what makes Disney so fantastic.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: I would hope that that kind of thing would happen here in the States or in uh uh some other international park, but that's what the experience that I got there.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: There was really no language barrier at all.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I certainly don't make character lines a priority, do you?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um you know, if if Wendy's there and it's a short line, I'll go talk to Wendy.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as an original Lost Boy, it's my uh my duty to go and check in with Wendy every now and then, let her know I'm okay.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, if if there's a short line, we'll hop into it.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: But we typically don't wait in lines anymore.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Are you Rafio?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is that who you are?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Are you all are you Ralphio all grown up?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I think I'm Pan the Man, but I have no idea.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Rufi Oh.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy how that all comes back to you as a great movie.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Go go watch it.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know, everybody loved it.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: I know we discussed uh Web Slingers in part one, uh, so we don't need to review that ride again.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um we talk about the Marvel Encounters and our superhero themed entertainment that's Air Ventures Campus, very similar to what's in Disneyland out in uh Anaheim, California.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Really no difference to that at all.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the only difference is it's all in French.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Web Slingers is in French, so don't be uh scared about that at all.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's still the same ride track, it's still the same theme, still the same ride.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's a blast.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter if it's in French or not, it's still a great time.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they give you plenty of context clues and and little quick close captioning, so you you're not lost.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not bad at all.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're traveling all the way to France, is meeting a character you can meet here in Orlando or in Disneyland worth your limited part-time while you're there?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think I know the answer to this.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: What's your answer?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I'm tough to ask because I don't waste limited part-time waiting in lines.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: When Mia was small and she had her autograph book, but even then she would she would get a little uh like the rest of us, a little ADD and want to move on.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: But some of those interactions, I will tell you, are completely worth it.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: So if you can get that moment like you had, I know one of Mia's favorites, she went up and asked uh Pocahontas about the raccoon, and she went off on this really great story, and Mia was just blown away.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: So those interactions can be super special.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so if you got the kids, I would definitely get in line.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: But as an adult, um, unless it's windy or snow or the evil queen, I'm probably gonna pass.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna pass.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I wouldn't I would not stand in any line if it if it's for Jack and Sally, I'm staying.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: But but other than that, I d I don't think I would wait for anybody else.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: So Let's pivot here and talk about everyone's favorite Disney subject.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: Paying even more money even after you've already bought park tickets.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: We do this here in the States.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: And guess what?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Spoiler alert, it's no different in Europe.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the good news is that Disney has figured out how to do that internationally.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you're not going to escape when you get when you go there.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: But here's something interesting.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: Disneyland Paris doesn't actually have lightning lanes like we have here at Walt Disney World.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: They have something called their own system, Disney Premier Access.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: And unlike Walt Disney World, there are only two paid options.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Disneyland Paris has Premier Access One.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Pete, did you buy Premier Access One or did you have the regular Premier Access?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: We had the Premier Access.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: We had the signature one, not this one that you're talking about.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: We had the ultimate access.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: The way it works is that uh you purchase access to one eligible attraction, you receive a designated return window, similar to what we do here in the States, and then you're expedited through the queue.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: So just like our lightning lanes here in uh in Walt Disney World, of course, pricing varies by the attraction and demand.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: Each person's covers up to one person at one ride only.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's the closest comparison to what they have here or there in Paris versus what we have here in the States.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I can tell you right off, the most popular one I think was probably Arendale, and that was 10 euro.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: 1250 American for that?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right around there.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Somewhere around there.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: The euro is worth more than the American dollar shocker.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to let you go ahead and take the next one since you had the most experience with it.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: When I was there, we did the regular, the one I just mentioned.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one my family did, and it works really well.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think I like it better than the American version of that.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll let you go ahead and why don't you take the second one?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is a whole conversation.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_00: I know we discussed previously when we went to Epcot this summer, we did the uh we did the access there, the premier access.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it's great because you when you get to the ride, you can just walk onto it.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it's only one time.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: So if you like we did two rides the first day and just waited in line.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then the second day, we were trying to get all two parks because that was the the only time that we had was that one day to get both parks done.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so we purchased the access and it gives you all of the attractions.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's no time that you have to like be there for.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't have to go all the way out to Arendale for your 10 o'clock and then come all the way back to hyperspace for your 11 o'clock.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: You can just, as soon as you get there, you can walk on.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so we were definitely spoiled in Epcot and really were like, okay, this is fantastic.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: So here's the thing like, uh, I don't know if Paris, I got my money's worth.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we got through the day fast.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we got through it smooth, it was less walking, it was a lot more relaxed.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as I'm saying this, I think maybe I did get my money's worth.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Trying to convince yourself, right?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds like you did.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't cheap.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: It varies by date and demand, obviously.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it covered uh mostly everything, and it really was nice.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: We started off back in Disneyland and then went over to Adventure World, and we hit every single ride, and there was the only time that we waited is the line for Arendale or for the frozen ride.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: It looked longer than the normal ride, but that was the only line that we didn't just walk right on to the thing.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: So could we have done it without it?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: But would it have it would have been stressful and and we would have been moving in order to get it done?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think if you're there for two or three days and you're you're committed to it, you don't have to worry about paying that extra money.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: But but I think that system worked really, really well.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can afford it, it's a bonus.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, would you agree that the pair system is easier to navigate?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: It is, in the sense that if you know, if you have a map and you know what you're looking for and you know you can go take the rides, it is definitely easier to navigate.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: But going back to like World Walt Disney World in in the states uh in in California, they're gonna take care of you.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're gonna tell you where to go, they're gonna show you signs, they're gonna answer questions, there's gonna be no question about where to stand and how to do it.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: But in Paris, they're like, may the odds be in your favor.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're not gonna explain anything to you.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't find a dang sign to save my life.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Arendale had them because, you know, I think since the Disney Corporation took back over, they're like, maybe people need a little help navigating this park.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: So um it I I think it was easier to navigate because it's it's uh a little bit more spread out, it's a little bit more less crowded, but in the same sense, you just you need a map and you gotta figure it out.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I have to agree.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't know, I don't think they're rude at all.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's just I guess as Americans, we're so used to things being handed to us.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's uh like you don't have to go far for an answer, right?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it is, but yeah, it it's it's not as uh in your face as yeah it is here in the in the states.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: So like you have to go ask and track down a cast member, and literally that's what you're doing is tracking down a cast member versus here in the States they're you know within the stone's row of anywhere that you look and they're happy to help you.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it's it's it's a whole different world.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Jamie, I I agree.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I think as a travel podcast, it's important to point out that I don't know how to say this without offending people, so I'm you know, I'm just gonna say it.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: The American customer service, yeah, right.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: The American customer service experience is fantastic.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: I've been all over the world, and now having done this MSc cruise in Italy, having done Paris, having done Germany, all kinds of places, you go on a Disney cruise and they're gonna like they know what you're drinking, they know what you're eating, they're gonna bring you extra desserts, they're bending over backwards to service.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: Europe is not going to be like that.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so just something to know.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's great.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't always want the same experience wherever you go.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: You want a different experience.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: So as long as you know that ahead of time.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: If you ask for green beans, you may get them or you may not get them.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: On a Disney cruise, they're gonna, they're gonna bring them for you right away.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Just to go back real fast uh to the lightning lane thing here versus what they have versus what we have.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, as a quick recap, here in the States, uh, we have uh at Walt Disney World Lightning Lane single pass.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: You purchase expedited uh pass for individual attractions similar to what Tron is right now.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Also flight of passage and uh Annal Kingdom, that's another version of that.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other one that we book, that we book um seven days out if you're on property or three days out if you're off property.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we recommend on property.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's the lightning lanes, multi-pass, and that's for that you're able to select three of those, uh three rides, and they're tiered.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh once you enter the park and scan to your very first ride, and then you can pick another ride.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: So you always have three in your queue.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then the one uh that Pete got to do, I'll let him talk about that one, the very last version of what we have in the States.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds very similar to what they offer in Paris.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: But Pete, go ahead and take that very last one, that one that you explained.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's the like the Lightning Lane Premier Pass.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: And like we said, it's one expedited entry to each eligible Lightning Lane attraction in the selected park and no individual attraction return windows.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't have to have a time set up for it.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: You need you don't need to book each ride, you don't have to keep the three going and get them set up.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: You can just set it and forget it for the day, and it then that pricing will vary depending on the the park and the date that you're going.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: In Paris, it covered both parks.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's worth it for that.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, versus estates, they they have a premiere pass for each park, and it doesn't transfer to either to a different park if you have a hopper pass.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I gotcha.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I talked about it before.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Mickey loves the color green, he's not shy about it.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk real fast the ultimate conversation here, the comparison between the two parks.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: So Disneyland Paris versus Walt Disney World, we have free standby cues.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we do.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: We have free traditional fast pass.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember what year that got taken away, a long time ago.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: I remember you all had to run and scramble for little paper fast passes.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Bring me back to that time.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like we had that we had that we had that stuff figured out.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: We knew exactly what to do.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: No more, no, no more fumbling on your phone.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: We have individual paid ride access, like Premier Access 1, Lightning Lane single pass, multiple rides with return windows, no direct equivalent to that.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Lightning lane multi-pass, multiple rides without return windows, premiere access ultimate, which Pete was talking about.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so essentially Disneyland Paris gives you two choices: either pay for one ride or pay for a bunch of rides.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Walt Disney World gives you three different products, different booking windows, and an app that occasionally makes you question life choices.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so your first hand experience here, this is where I want your opinion, Pete.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because unlike me, you actually purchased Premier Access Lightning during your trip, and last week you mentioned spending about 10 euros or 1250 American or so uh to skip the line at frozen ever after.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: What did what did you purchase?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: You purchase the Premier Access Ultimate or the Premier Access one for that?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the ultimate.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, one is just if you want one ride.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: So if I just want one ride, if I wanted, like I said, Arendelle was 10 euros.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't pay the 10 euros because I had the uh the access ultimate, but I I noticed that this that's what the cost was, and I I made a mental note to say, hey, I gotta tell the podcast this.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because I don't know that people really need to spend the money on the premier access ultimate if they can just do premier access one, because most of those rides, not a long wait.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you can just hit the premier access one if you wanted to do the Arundale or the Web Slingers or Hyperspace Mountain.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, with just the two of us, I think, you know, it was ease of use and being able to just show up wherever we wanted, take whatever path through the park we wanted.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: I was on the fence until I started talking about it, but now I've totally convinced myself that spending that money was worthwhile.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I would do it.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I don't think it's terribly difficult to convince yourself.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, not at all.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can justify anything.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so we're gonna move all the way down to our very last section that we're gonna talk about today.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: And this is uh, of course, the namesake of the show, the worst verdict, the big debate.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: If an American family only has one day to visit Disneyland Paris, should they purchase the Premier Access Ultimate?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: When we just talked about this a second ago, I'm gonna give you my verdict on it from my family of five.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not gonna purchase the Premier Access Ultimate because Pete paid 10 euro for one ride.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine that spread over the cost of a family of five from multiple rides.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's silly.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's an extra, I don't even know how many euros that would be.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: A lot.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: That would be a lot.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: But and Pete's case, uh, he gave his exact example, and that answer for him was Yes.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, it's a definite uh for us.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but we're two adults and we're bougie, and you know, I might not have the money to spend, but I think I have the money to spend.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: So we did it for two people.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: But five people for you, Jamie.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine that would just be I think it would be a waste because I think you can still have a great time roaming the parks and um hitting the lines just like a normal day.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I think you're right.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna wrap ask some uh rapid fire questions here, and we are going to go ahead and close out the episode.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: So let's give the best Disneyland attraction or Disneyland Paris attraction.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: What do you got?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going with Hyperspace Mountain.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's fast, it is uh great theming.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bit of Guardians, it's a bit of the Muppet Roller Coaster.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that is right up there at the top.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta throw out my uh my second one.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's a tie.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think Phantom Manor.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Phantom Manor is also right up there with it.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a different take on it.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a thrill ride, but you know, being a guy that loves Haunted Mansion, Phantom Manor was was the bomb.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I I listen, I I want to disagree with you because it's fun to disagree with you, but I can't.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think an honorable mention to that is Crush's coaster, the one that was down when you were there.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: It is a fantastic roller coaster.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: And don't let don't let the seaming let you think that's a kiddie coaster.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: It is not.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: It is not a kitty coaster.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: They throw you around in the in that turtle shell, and it is an awesome roller coaster.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So definitely look for that one.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Most overrated attraction.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Most overrated.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Most overrated.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you're making me answer this, I'm gonna go with Pixar because you're too you're you're taking the tram from the parking lot.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cars, not Pixar, cars.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: The cars one.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're literally in a tram.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Some would argue the tram is the very first ride.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: My ride my trip was two years ago, and I can't remember enough of them to give you an honest answer to this one.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just gonna go ahead and go to the next question.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna answer for you.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: Better go ahead.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the one, the other one I I don't want to be disappointed, and I don't want to say this to the crowd uh of goldfish that are listening, but uh the the Alice's maze.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think the maze is.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: I remember that.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's cool.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think the maze is great.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think the Queen's castle at the end needs a redo.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's a run-down uh Burger King playland feel.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's given me 90s BK vibes.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think it needs an upgrade.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're end.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot all about that.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, I like the maze, and I d I do remember the castle of the end, but yeah, it was it was a bit, yeah, run down.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: I completely forgot about that.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: So is there one thing that well, it's debatable.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: Best best thing that Paris does better than Aero Home Parker Walt Disney World?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Champagne.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Sh well, of course, but of course.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the flutes, I mean, if Disney World, and this is, you know, we're we're the worst, right?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna tell you about the worst, Disney World just upped their prices in France for champagne, and it's come on, Disney, what are you doing?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: That is not those prices are not worth it.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: I get supply and demand, but that that small pour for what you're giving us in France at Epcot, it's it's too much.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think you need to rethink that one.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: So uh while uh France is not necessarily cheap, it's cheaper, more accessible throughout the park, and uh I think they do it better than Disney does.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: Disney World does.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: You just got back from Disneyland Paris.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: If you were planning another European vacation tomorrow, would you include Disneyland Paris and again that trip?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because I'm a Disney nut and I want to check out the entertainment.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because after talking to you in this segment, I'm like, man, we really didn't check out any of the entertainment.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: I bet it's pretty good.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: So I would go back just for that.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: And to go on Haunted Manor again or Phantom Manor again.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Phantom Manor again.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was, it is different.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: It is cool.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't recommend it enough.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so we both uh agree that Disneyland Paris should maintain its own European identity.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: So here's my final question.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: If Disneyland Paris keeps more becoming more like Walt Disney World, what is the point of flying all the way to France to experience it?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is a great question, Jamie.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think it's it's gonna be on Disney to make sure that they maintain that French uh connection, the Grimm's the connection to Grimm's storytelling, and making sure that they don't make it like Paris doesn't care.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're in there, they're gonna hurt you on the rides, and they're like, may the odds be in your favor.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I I love that.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think that, yes, like I was scared on Pirates.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: I was scared on Phantom Manor, I was scared of Indiana Jones.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: We went upside down more often there than I have in my adult life.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I've been to Six Flags.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think they need to maintain France's identity in the park while they just need to make sure that they're doing maintenance and cleaning things up and keeping the park park looking um up to that Disney standard.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: The elephant in the room is you're going to Europe.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yes, visit Disneyland Paris.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, if you're a Disneyland like Pete and I are, but you're going to France.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Go visit Paris.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Go visit France.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Go visit Nice.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Go visit the south of France.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: Go visit the French Riviera.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Go there.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Experience that.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, get your your Disney your Disney feels.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can get that every week by listening to us.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: But go in there and experiencing that.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: But experience the country.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Experience that culture.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: That that would either make you appreciative of what we have here or wish that you live there.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it could be either one or the other.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think there's a happy medium between the both.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's that's the whole point of going there, is is experience that life, experience that culture, experience those people, see how the way they live life.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: American uh way of life is not the end all be all.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's a whole big problem there.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you brought it back to that.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I I really am.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that we talk about Disney, and Disney's great, but you're absolutely right.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: As a travel agent myself, call us up, either of us, and we can really uh make a fantastic trip for you that includes that taste or that full um dive into Disneyland Paris, but also get to see Paris, um, whether you want to go see the beaches at Normandy or you want to go to Champagne or all the things that Jamie just mentioned.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like Paris is a fantastic country, and I think we're both very impressed by it.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, give us a call if you want to book a trip.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a fantastic city and a beautiful country.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Paris.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Paris was a beautiful country.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: All of France.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so uh Pete, let's close it out.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time, we're here to give you the real deal.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Mouse droppings included.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: This has been the worst, beyond the magic.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: See you next time.