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Chuck & Buck 7-8 Hour 2: Headlines and Ian Furness, the pitching plan and Reckless at Breakfast. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Dereck Jones, froevloice Way outside Naylor scripte Home Heck Bobby
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Speaker 1: can the Murders take the lead on an eighth inning,
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Speaker 1: two out, two strike wild pitch. The Mariners lead for
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Speaker 1: the first time tonight, five four in the.
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Speaker 2: Eighth seven o'clock hour here on this Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: Great to have you with us.
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Speaker 4: Chuck Powell and Ashley Ryan with you coming up in
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Speaker 4: a moment more on the Mariner's pitching rotation going forward. Also,
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Speaker 4: we get Reckless at breakfast on this Wednesday at seven
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Speaker 4: forty five, and Ian Farnaza is going to join us
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Speaker 4: here a matter of moments. But we began the hour
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Speaker 4: with headlines brought to you by Frost Brewed Corps, Light
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Speaker 4: Choo's Chill for goodness sake. Mariners in Miami last night,
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Speaker 4: they took their talents to South Beach is what they did.
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Speaker 3: They did. They took on a believe it or not
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Speaker 3: hot Marlins team that actually pitches, it's weird and runs
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Speaker 3: and it wins, and so different kind of matchup last
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Speaker 3: night in Miami for the MS and it was a
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Speaker 3: battle back and forth with Miami eventually winning in ten
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Speaker 3: innings six to five. The final score a walk off
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Speaker 3: from Jacob Marcy off of Michael Rucker, the fifth relief
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Speaker 3: pitcher that Dan Wilson had to use last night because
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Speaker 3: Brian Wu once again struggled on the road, allowing four
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Speaker 3: runs over five innings and he was removed from the
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Speaker 3: game before the sixth innings. So the Mariners fall to
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Speaker 3: forty seven and forty five on the year, still in
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Speaker 3: first place, but just a half game up on the
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Speaker 3: Texas Rangers. Same two teams will match up tonight this
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Speaker 3: afternoon for US in Miami three forty. First pitch, it'll
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Speaker 3: be George Kirby against right hander Tyler Phillips, who has
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Speaker 3: had a pretty decent season, but his eras climbed like
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Speaker 3: two full runs in the last month, so he started
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Speaker 3: to get exposed a little bit. And he's right handed,
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Speaker 3: which is always great news for US. Thanks Mariners TV
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Speaker 3: with the highlight provided from the game last night against
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Speaker 3: six to five Marlins over the Mariners World Cup Argentina
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Speaker 3: one in stunning come from behind fashion. Looked like they
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Speaker 3: were going to fall to Egypt two to nil late
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Speaker 3: in the second half, but Lionel Messi scored twice. A
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Speaker 3: VAAR review allowed a goal and Argentina stormback to keep
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Speaker 3: their World Cup hopes alive by defeating Egypt three to
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Speaker 3: two yesterday. Also Switzerland advanced. They played to a nil
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Speaker 3: mill score, they went to penalty kicks and Switzerland ends
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Speaker 3: up winning on penalty kicks and they advance to the
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Speaker 3: Round of eight as well, which will renew itself tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: So the first match in the Round of eight will
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Speaker 3: take place tomorrow. Your World Cup coverage being provided here
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Speaker 3: in town by US Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 3: Wimbledon continues, finals will be this weekend. Also, we are
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Speaker 3: on Lebron watch some of us anyway as we wait
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Speaker 3: to find out where the legend will land most likely
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Speaker 3: to finish his career. Seems to be the next big
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Speaker 3: domino to fall in the NBA off season and as
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Speaker 3: far as the NHL off season, there might be bigger
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Speaker 3: moves that are made this offseason. But there's nothing really
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Speaker 3: more interesting to talk about coast to coast, continent to
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Speaker 3: continent when it comes to the National Hockey League than
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Speaker 3: the situation we have here in town with a former
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Speaker 3: top draft pick, Shane Wright, and joining us now to
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Speaker 3: discuss that and many other things. Oh he is the
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Speaker 3: wonderful Ian Ferness. Trying to remember what uh Pat day
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Speaker 3: was called you uh in your promo and I couldn't
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Speaker 3: remember it right off the top of my head. You
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Speaker 3: probably know it's every single day?
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Speaker 5: What was it?
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Speaker 3: What's the line?
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Speaker 5: I don't know? Man, maybe absolutly can find it, because
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Speaker 5: I can't. I heard every game that.
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Speaker 3: The mild manner, mild mannered and was slightly mild mannered
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Speaker 3: and something. I can't think it.
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Speaker 5: Shot in there. It's every day. It's her two things.
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Speaker 6: One it's early and two in that plays, I've already
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Speaker 6: got my headsets off and I'm out.
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Speaker 3: The door, So I'm gonna find it.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 3: Mildly objectionable, Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, Yeah, I think.
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Speaker 5: That's what it is. Well, probably mildly objectionable. I guess
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Speaker 5: that's not a bad thing.
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Speaker 3: We all are, Yeah, we all are. Yeah. When we
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Speaker 3: got into this business, somebody told us you're mildly objectionable. Like, well,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a talk show host.
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Speaker 6: Well there's a there's a guy. There's a guy on
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Speaker 6: from three to seven. That's a lot more than mildly objectionable.
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Speaker 6: But we'll leave that at that.
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Speaker 3: The objectionable David Softy mat yes right.
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Speaker 5: Here, Yes exactly exactly.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us. We do appreciate it,
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Speaker 3: appreciate you getting up with us here early this morning.
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Speaker 3: And I mean we've been speculating after the weekend news
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Speaker 3: about Shane Wright and the Crack and perhaps being at
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Speaker 3: an impasse. They may be forced to move him at
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Speaker 3: this point. But I know that you know more so
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Speaker 3: we lean on you. What is it that you know
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Speaker 3: about Shane Wright and the Crack and their relationship right now?
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Speaker 6: Well, obviously there's there's an issue there the agent getting
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Speaker 6: involved and basically you know, going to the team and saying,
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Speaker 6: you know, trade me right now. And you know, we
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Speaker 6: live in a different world right now in the NHL
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Speaker 6: than we've ever seen. This this era of player empowerment
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Speaker 6: chuck like that that doesn't exist in any other sport.
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Speaker 6: I think I believe baseball is number two in in
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Speaker 6: terms of you know, trade movement protection in the contracts,
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Speaker 6: and it's not even close. Like, you know, the majority
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Speaker 6: of NHL players and almost everybody who's on a second
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Speaker 6: contract has trade protection and the ability to kind of
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Speaker 6: force their way where they want to go. You know,
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Speaker 6: I think Baseball has a handful of guys, the NBA
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Speaker 6: has like four, and the NFL has like a couple,
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Speaker 6: and it's but the NHL. It's this thing that these
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Speaker 6: guys that all of a sudden are trying to force
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Speaker 6: their way out. Dylan Lark and the captain the Detroit
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Speaker 6: Red Wings, it's got five years left on his contract.
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Speaker 6: I want out trade me, Zach Wrensky. You know, given Columbus,
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Speaker 6: who's the best defense from the League North Trophy winner, I'm,
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Speaker 6: you know, giving Columbus ultimatums. Jason Robertson forcing his way
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Speaker 6: not to Seattle but also not to Saint Louis in
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Speaker 6: other places. It's it's all this Shane writes on his
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Speaker 6: first contract, first of all. But there's obviously an impast
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Speaker 6: there's always there's obviously something there that that is causing
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Speaker 6: a rift. I can tell you this the crack, And
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Speaker 6: we're well aware that the agent was going to go
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Speaker 6: to the Adam schefter of the NHL, Elliott Friedman, and say, hey,
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Speaker 6: you know, like they cracking have agreed to trade me
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Speaker 6: and to trade Shane in the offseason.
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Speaker 5: Well they haven't.
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Speaker 6: They There's no gm in a sport that would you know,
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Speaker 6: tell somebody, yeah, we one hundred percent are going to
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Speaker 6: trade you. You take all the leverage off the table. Plus
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Speaker 6: he's still a young player. Now we can talk about
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Speaker 6: all the issues and all that, but I can tell
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Speaker 6: you this that the story that came out was wrong,
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Speaker 6: Like it was one hundred percent wrong. They did not.
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Speaker 6: They did not as an organization. Jason Bottle did not
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Speaker 6: go and say yeah, well he did not tell the agent, Yes,
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Speaker 6: I guarantee you that we're going to trade you this year.
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Speaker 6: That was the first story that came out. Then they
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Speaker 6: kind of slow played it over the weekend and well
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Speaker 6: maybe he didn't really say that, and it's kind of
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Speaker 6: Then they did a podcast and well maybe it's not. Well, no,
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Speaker 6: it never was that. You know that they were aware
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Speaker 6: it was going to come out. Agents in the NHL
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Speaker 6: they do. They love to go to media guys and
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Speaker 6: you know, tell them one thing and you know, the
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Speaker 6: team's not going to react. You know how GMS work.
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Speaker 6: Checked they're not going to react to that, to every
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Speaker 6: sound bite and every report. But you know, Shane could
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Speaker 6: get traded and it wouldn't surprise me, and maybe in
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Speaker 6: a sense it would be the best thing for the
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Speaker 6: player and for the team. But they're not just going
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Speaker 6: to trade him to trade them and not get some
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Speaker 6: value in return for a guy who's only going into
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Speaker 6: his third full season in the NHL.
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Speaker 3: Well, there is then a scenario where he could still
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Speaker 3: remain on the team, because I think it's kind of
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Speaker 3: being forecasted as there's that they're going to move him.
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Speaker 3: There's been an agreement behind the scenes that they're going
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Speaker 3: to move him, But you're telling us that there's still
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Speaker 3: a chance that he'll still be a member of this
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Speaker 3: team next year.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a chance. Absolutely.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like there's no agreement to move him. I'll just
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Speaker 6: I think that's the first thing to know. Does that
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Speaker 6: mean they're not going to move him one hundred percent? Not?
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Speaker 6: They could, They might, you know, and the NHL is
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Speaker 6: kind of in its second phase, so to speak, kind
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Speaker 6: of a quieter time. But much like any NFL free agency,
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Speaker 6: you know, we had that first wave that comes in
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Speaker 6: the first forty eight hours, and you know from you know,
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Speaker 6: the tampering period, the legal tampering, the actual.
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Speaker 5: Signings, and then it quiets down and.
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Speaker 6: That's when guys like John Schneider make all their moves
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Speaker 6: and you know, in that second wave and things like that.
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Speaker 6: We're kind of in that timeframe right now. It's quieted down,
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Speaker 6: but there's still a lot of stuff out there.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of players.
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Speaker 6: There's got to figure out what's going on in Anaheim
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Speaker 6: with Leo Carlson, and they got to figure out what's
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Speaker 6: going on with Jason Roberts and still in Dallas, and
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Speaker 6: you know, in Dallas had Zach Lrensky say no to them.
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Speaker 6: You know, I mean it's been Listen, I can't sit
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Speaker 6: here and say it hasn't been a rough offseason for
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Speaker 6: the Craken. It has been like, it has not been
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Speaker 6: a fun off season for this team, not by their
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Speaker 6: own doing. It's just kind of this world that we're
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Speaker 6: living in right now. And until they take that next step,
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Speaker 6: and it's chicken or the egg, Like, how do you
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Speaker 6: get a superstar? Well, you pay him to come here. Well,
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Speaker 6: how do you get them to come here? Well, you've
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Speaker 6: got to convince him you can win. Well how do
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Speaker 6: you win? Well, you need superstars? Right, Like, it's kind
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Speaker 6: of this vicious circle. But you know, they they're in
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Speaker 6: they're in a little bit of a rough spot in
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Speaker 6: terms of perception around the league. But yeah, there's been
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Speaker 6: no agreement, and he could certainly come back, and maybe
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Speaker 6: he comes back and takes a step forward. I mean,
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Speaker 6: he took a massive step back last season, Like there's
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Speaker 6: no doubt about that. And you know it's a big
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Speaker 6: thing now to blame the team and player development and
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Speaker 6: all those things. God, I don't know, at what time,
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Speaker 6: at what point do players become somewhat culpable for their
10:13
Speaker 6: own performance?
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 6: Like a what like we could blame coaches and we
10:20
Speaker 6: could throw out a term like player development all you want.
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Speaker 6: I mean, your shooting percentage went down significantly, your face
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Speaker 6: off percentage went down significantly, and you're a center iceman
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Speaker 6: you have to take face offs. Your ice time went
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Speaker 6: down a little bit because you didn't earn much, but
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Speaker 6: only went down twelve sixteen seconds a game per average.
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Speaker 5: Is what your is?
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Speaker 6: What your your your ice time went down during the game,
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Speaker 6: but yet your production went down seventeen points from the
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Speaker 6: previous year, and you know, seven fewer goals and ten
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Speaker 6: fewer assists. At what point is it on? You know, like, at.
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Speaker 5: What point is that a you problem?
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Speaker 6: And I think you know, Chuck, we talked about this
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Speaker 6: yesterday and you played a lot of baseball growing up,
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Speaker 6: and you probably you probably saw this. I wonder, and
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Speaker 6: I'm just going to throw this out there. I just
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Speaker 6: this is just me, and I hope the kid ends
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Speaker 6: up taking a massive step forward.
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Speaker 5: I hope it's here.
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Speaker 6: By all accounts, he works really hard behind the scenes,
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Speaker 6: you know, I know strength staff likes him and all that.
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Speaker 6: He does a good job there. So I hope he
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Speaker 6: takes that next step, and I hope he starts to
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Speaker 6: fulfill the promise of being, you know, a top four
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Speaker 6: draft pick and all those things.
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Speaker 5: He also, at the age of fifteen.
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Speaker 6: Got a special exemption to play, you know, Major junior
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Speaker 6: in the Ontario Hockey League, which normally you don't play
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Speaker 6: until you're sixteen. The most kids don't play that league
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Speaker 6: until you're seventeen. Eighteen nineteen. He got a special exemption
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Speaker 6: to play at fifteen, played in the league at fifteen
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Speaker 6: and sixteen, they had COVID year and all that. I
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Speaker 6: just want, do we not know that kid that peaked
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Speaker 6: in seventh or eighth grade?
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Speaker 5: Ye? Do we not all remember that kid? Yeah? Name
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Speaker 5: is there?
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Speaker 6: You go like you're dominating in middle school and then
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Speaker 6: and then and then high school hit.
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Speaker 5: It's like, what happened? I stopped growing right and I won.
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Speaker 6: Hockey has a problem with this, and it's just because
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Speaker 6: of how young the draft is. I mean, I've been
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Speaker 6: around this sport forever. I mean I started working in
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Speaker 6: Seattle with the t Birds and the Tricity Americans. I
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Speaker 6: can't tell you how many kids got drafted at the
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Speaker 6: age of seventeen. They're going to be a can't miss
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Speaker 6: or a first round I mean, first round picks in
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Speaker 6: the NHL, much like baseball, don't pan out because why
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Speaker 6: we're drafting kids at seventeen and stuff and eighteen? And
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Speaker 6: I maybe he just peaked early and this is who
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Speaker 6: he is and what we thought he was going to
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Speaker 6: be when he was fifteen and sixteen, is not it?
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Speaker 6: That could be the case too. I don't know, but
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Speaker 6: I'm just throwing that out there because isn't that the
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Speaker 6: problem with the bait? Isn't that why baseball is looking
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Speaker 6: at maybe not drafting kids until they're nineteen and twenty.
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Speaker 3: Now, Well, if I would push back on you a
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Speaker 3: little bit because I'm not sure. I'm certainly not disagreeing
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Speaker 3: with you, but I just recall Shane Wright at the
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Speaker 3: end of two seasons ago being sort of the element
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Speaker 3: of excitement for the organization. They obviously it didn't make
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Speaker 3: the playoffs and everybody was disappointed, right, But Shane Wright
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Speaker 3: looked like he moved to the next level. And then
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Speaker 3: you change head coaches and you bring in Lane Lambert,
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Speaker 3: and it just never seemed like it clicked between the
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Speaker 3: two of them. I mean, I had vivid conversations with
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Speaker 3: many people about Shane Wright's going to be our leading
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Speaker 3: score this past year, and then he ended up on
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Speaker 3: the what third fourth line by the end of the season.
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Speaker 3: So something happened in Shane Wright's development and what Lane
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Speaker 3: Lambert saw was valuable to this team. What was the
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Speaker 3: breakdown between those two? What is the disconnect between coach
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Speaker 3: and player here?
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Speaker 6: And that's and that's that's a million dollar question, right, because, yeah,
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Speaker 6: he had nineteen goals his true rookie season that you're
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Speaker 6: referring to. He had nineteen goals and twenty five a
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Speaker 6: centius and he seemed like an upward trend. I mean,
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Speaker 6: I remember how disappointed I was just for him that
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Speaker 6: he didn't get to twenty. That twenty goal is kind
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Speaker 6: of a magic mark in the NHL. And kind of
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Speaker 6: like twenty home runs. It's not what it used to be.
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Speaker 6: You know, it's now higher, but still you get twenty
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Speaker 6: as a as a kid. That's awesome, right, I can
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Speaker 6: get to that point, and then he takes the step back.
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Speaker 6: Part of it is I just talked about shooting percentage.
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Speaker 6: I mean the shooting percentage went down significantly. You know,
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Speaker 6: he was scoring at at twenty point nine or eight,
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Speaker 6: which is really good, and then it was twelve point
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Speaker 6: four last year he was on the second power play.
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Speaker 6: Now his ice time wasn't great, Like if you just
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Speaker 6: look at the rankings of ice time, he's like, I
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Speaker 6: think he's nineteenth on the team in ice time. Part
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Speaker 6: of that is because he doesn't kill penalties, and that's
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Speaker 6: not the strength of his is in the defensive zone.
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Speaker 6: Lane is a guy that you better play in the
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Speaker 6: defensive zone, you better play well, and you better play.
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Speaker 5: To his system.
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Speaker 6: And I think you know, so that's there if you
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Speaker 6: look at a disconnect, that might be where it starts.
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Speaker 6: Not to say that, you know, they drafted this guy
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Speaker 6: to be a penalty killer, but but you know, if
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Speaker 6: he's not penalty killing, so the ice time is going
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Speaker 6: to go down. A little bit, but he's on the
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Speaker 6: second power play unit. You're right, he was a third
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Speaker 6: line guy for the most part. I think after his
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Speaker 6: rookie season, we're thinking, Wow, Matty Veneers is your first
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Speaker 6: line center, and this guy's your second line center. And
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Speaker 6: even since slots into that third center role and things
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Speaker 6: are great, that didn't happen. I think, and most people
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Speaker 6: believe that there was a pretty significant upgrade in coaching
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Speaker 6: from Dan Biosma to to Leyne Lambert and and I'm
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Speaker 6: gonna go with that. I mean, God, famously, there was
15:17
Speaker 6: a couple of guys that are still here that are veterans,
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Speaker 6: well respected veterans that were just obviously they were muttering
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Speaker 6: behind the scenes all the time with Biosma, what are
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Speaker 6: we doing. I have no idea what system we're running.
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Speaker 6: It's just they were just it was close. I could
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Speaker 6: say it now because he's gone to Pittsburgh. Ron Francis
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Speaker 6: told me that once. He's like, I don't know what
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Speaker 6: we're doing. I have no idea. With Biosma, I have
15:36
Speaker 6: no idea what we're doing, no idea what we're running,
15:38
Speaker 6: no idea what's going on. That's why they made a
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Speaker 6: coaching change. And they brought in a guy very structured
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Speaker 6: that knows he doesn't have Connor McDavid or Nathan McKinnon.
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Speaker 6: And so how are we gonna win games? Well, we're
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Speaker 6: gonna have to try to grind it out a little bit.
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Speaker 6: We got to play very responsible in our own end
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Speaker 6: and things like that and that, and that certainly could
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Speaker 6: be where it disconnect. Happens with a young player that's
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Speaker 6: coming off a strong rookie season and then and you know,
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Speaker 6: it takes a step back because it's it's a whole
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Speaker 6: different world that he's living in right now. So you know,
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Speaker 6: and there might be both sides maybe to blame. I'm
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Speaker 6: just gonna just say this is a coach that had
16:11
Speaker 6: a team that was basically the same team as the
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Speaker 6: year before that was out of the playoffs by December.
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Speaker 6: He had him in the playoffs.
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Speaker 5: Going to the Olympic break before things.
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Speaker 6: Kind of fell apart down the stretch. So I'm not
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Speaker 6: going to put the blame on Lane as much. And
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Speaker 6: and again I don't even put blame on Shane. It
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Speaker 6: just it didn't work. You know, sometimes agents need to
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Speaker 6: keep their mouth shut and just but we but we
16:34
Speaker 6: live in a world in the NHL where that's not
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Speaker 6: the case. And like I said, it's the it's the
16:38
Speaker 6: era of player empowerment across the league. I mean, there's
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Speaker 6: there's everybody wants to check. This is the oddest.
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Speaker 5: Thing of all.
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Speaker 6: As the Mariners are in Miami and going to Tampa
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Speaker 6: next right, and we're watching the game. We're at at
16:51
Speaker 6: dinner last night, my son and my wife and his girlfriend,
16:54
Speaker 6: I'm and the Mariner games on shout out to the
16:57
Speaker 6: new far Eli's location in Eden Club, by the way,
16:59
Speaker 6: cool place TVs were watching the game, and Keeper looks
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Speaker 6: at me and goesky, why is nobody there? They must
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Speaker 6: be awfulors is on the Marlins off lug go No,
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Speaker 6: actually they're really good, Like they're the hottest team in
17:08
Speaker 6: baseball right now. He's like, God, nobody's there, and I go, yeah,
17:10
Speaker 6: nobody cares. They have Tampa Bay. Nobody cares. And then
17:13
Speaker 6: I'm thinking to myself, how different is the NHL because
17:16
Speaker 6: every player wants to go to Tampa Bay and Miami
17:19
Speaker 6: and those rinks are packed every single night. So I
17:22
Speaker 6: don't know what kind of world we're living in right now, Chuck,
17:25
Speaker 6: I really don't. It's very confusing. To this old man here,
17:27
Speaker 6: I can't figure it out.
17:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a winter sport. They want to be
17:30
Speaker 3: where it's warm, and then during they don't want to
17:32
Speaker 3: be there in the summer. I think that's the I
17:33
Speaker 3: think that's the answer.
17:35
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's palm trees and no tax and we
17:37
Speaker 6: want to be in Miami, we want to be in Tampa,
17:39
Speaker 6: or we want to be in Vegas.
17:40
Speaker 5: As simple as that, all right, in.
17:42
Speaker 3: Our last minute here, Yeah, you have to have somebody
17:46
Speaker 3: in mind that realistically, Shane Wright could fetch in a trade.
17:51
Speaker 3: What is the what's the trade that Ian Furness would
17:54
Speaker 3: like to see the organization pull off involving Shane Wright.
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Speaker 6: I'm honestly the last person asked with that. I don't
18:02
Speaker 6: even do that with the NFL because I and here's why,
18:04
Speaker 6: because we'll get to this. We'll get to this with
18:05
Speaker 6: baseball here soon too. You'll you're good at that. You'll
18:08
Speaker 6: tell us who the murder should make a move for.
18:10
Speaker 6: There's so many players. I can't keep track because half
18:13
Speaker 6: the time I don't know who's gonna come here.
18:14
Speaker 5: I just think it.
18:16
Speaker 6: Maybe they think, and I don't think they would say
18:19
Speaker 6: this publicly. Maybe they think, Hey, listen, we've got JK
18:22
Speaker 6: O'Brien a year away. He's going to be in the
18:24
Speaker 6: HL this season. He's a center Iceman Oscar Fisker Molegard
18:27
Speaker 6: played in the Olympics last season and we played here.
18:29
Speaker 5: He played well.
18:30
Speaker 6: Uh, the coach just has to commit to playing him.
18:32
Speaker 6: Maybe it trade Shane Wright for a scoring winger, a
18:36
Speaker 6: young like they got with Samiskevitch, the kid out out
18:39
Speaker 6: of Florida. That makes him a better hockey team, by
18:41
Speaker 6: the way, and he's going to be on the line
18:43
Speaker 6: more than likely. With Matty Veneers and Bobby McMahon, that
18:46
Speaker 6: line will be filled with speed like this team's never
18:48
Speaker 6: had before. Jared McCann's a second line guy. With Jordan Eberley,
18:51
Speaker 6: who's that second line center. Maybe it ends up being
18:54
Speaker 6: Chandler Stevenson. Then your third line center is a young
18:56
Speaker 6: you know as a as an Oscar Fiskermlegard with a coppoccco.
18:59
Speaker 5: Who knows.
19:00
Speaker 6: Maybe Jcobrien gets up here at some point this season
19:02
Speaker 6: and you go find a winger. They need to find
19:04
Speaker 6: a finisher. They need to find a guy that can
19:06
Speaker 6: finish and score. They got enough Finland guys they got
19:09
Speaker 6: Coppo Cocco told him the stuff back. But they need
19:12
Speaker 6: to find guys who can finish, score, put the puck
19:14
Speaker 6: in the net. And so if they are going to
19:17
Speaker 6: move him, that's what I want to see him do.
19:19
Speaker 5: Go find a young.
19:19
Speaker 6: Guys that's probably kind of like Samuskevitch, maybe maybe stuck
19:24
Speaker 6: behind somebody, you know, like depth chart wise again, you know,
19:27
Speaker 6: a team that's really loaded right now, like Miami, like
19:30
Speaker 6: Florida was, and find a guy that can score put
19:32
Speaker 6: the puck in the net. Because outside of Bobby McMahon
19:35
Speaker 6: and Jared mccannon, they don't have guys that are true
19:38
Speaker 6: great finishers that put the puck in the net. They
19:41
Speaker 6: got a lot of guys that can create, they don't
19:43
Speaker 6: necessarily have a lot of guys that can put the
19:44
Speaker 6: puck in the net.
19:45
Speaker 5: At the end of the day. So that's what I'd
19:47
Speaker 5: like to see him do.
19:47
Speaker 6: If they move the kid, I'd kind of and maybe
19:51
Speaker 6: the ship is sailed, Chuck.
19:52
Speaker 5: Maybe it's just sailed.
19:53
Speaker 6: But there's a part of me that says, my god,
19:55
Speaker 6: he just turned twenty one in January, like maybe see
19:58
Speaker 6: what's there. I mean, I gave you the theory of
20:01
Speaker 6: the young guys that that it's twenty two.
20:04
Speaker 5: My apologies is actually twenty two.
20:05
Speaker 6: But you know, maybe he did peek early and that's
20:09
Speaker 6: just what it is. But maybe we there's something still
20:12
Speaker 6: there and it can figured out along the way and
20:15
Speaker 6: and uh and we'll see. But uh, yeah, it's it's
20:17
Speaker 6: it's the it's the summer of drama here in Seattle.
20:20
Speaker 5: There's no doubt about that.
20:21
Speaker 3: I'm going to scour the rosters now for a finish finisher.
20:24
Speaker 3: That's what I'm going to spend my afternoon doing to
20:27
Speaker 3: find a finish finisher.
20:28
Speaker 6: They had, they had one going into a contract here
20:31
Speaker 6: named Elie Tolven and he took a massive step back too,
20:34
Speaker 6: So I don't know they had a finish finisher, but
20:36
Speaker 6: he you know, maybe there's a reason.
20:38
Speaker 5: Nashville cut him a couple of years ago. So we'll see.
20:40
Speaker 3: All right, man, Well, thank you very much. Anything going
20:43
Speaker 3: on on the show that has to be reported right now? Nothing,
20:47
Speaker 3: nothing that has to be reported. No, we're going to
20:49
Speaker 3: be the Only thing I can confirm is.
20:51
Speaker 5: We're going to be on the air at noon.
20:52
Speaker 6: Confirm that right, great, yeah, yeah, barring something unforeseen like
20:56
Speaker 6: you know, shutting the station down like they did to
20:58
Speaker 6: my friends of Vancouver yesterday. But we're gonna be on
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Speaker 6: the air noon, so.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, alright, marginally objectionable, marginally objectionable, mild mannered and marginally
21:07
Speaker 3: objectionable Ian for now our gut.
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Speaker 5: I think both. I think both. I think both of
21:12
Speaker 5: those will giving me way too much credit. But I'll
21:14
Speaker 5: take it. That's good.
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Speaker 3: All right, Thank you, sir, appreciate it.
21:17
Speaker 5: Take care you guys.
21:18
Speaker 3: All right, inf NEETs joining us right here on Chuck
21:20
Speaker 3: and Buck in the morning, coming up next. All right,
21:23
Speaker 3: we're almost to the All Star break. We've tried three
21:26
Speaker 3: different ways to set this pitching rotation, so how are
21:30
Speaker 3: we gonna set it?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
21:31
Speaker 3: Coming out of the All Star break, we'll talk about
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Speaker 3: a next Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r
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Speaker 3: F M. All right, Murners lose to the Marlins last
21:52
Speaker 3: night and sen inning six to five, and once again
21:55
Speaker 3: Brian wu has struggles on the road. He wasn't sharp
21:58
Speaker 3: really at any time during the game. It wasn't like
22:01
Speaker 3: one inning cost him last night. He was pretty much
22:04
Speaker 3: allowing two plus hits every single inning against the Marlins
22:08
Speaker 3: and ended up leaving the game trailing having allowed four
22:12
Speaker 3: runs over the course of five innings. So how does
22:15
Speaker 3: that contribute to the ongoing conversation, convoluted conversation about how
22:23
Speaker 3: this organization is going to set it's pitching rotation going forward.
22:27
Speaker 3: That's what we're going to discuss right now. I brought
22:30
Speaker 3: it up to Ryan Healey yesterday. You know of Mariner's
22:33
Speaker 3: TV fame former man, Yeah, joins us every Tuesday at
22:38
Speaker 3: nine o'clock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that guy always
22:40
Speaker 3: has a shot or two in my physical appearance. Yeah
22:43
Speaker 3: that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, even though I've got all
22:45
Speaker 3: my original teeth in my head, right, yep, yeah yeah,
22:49
Speaker 3: think about that the next time you pass judgment Healey.
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Speaker 7: Well, he'd probably, I mean then his argument would be, well,
22:56
Speaker 7: I don't have all the teeth in my head because
22:57
Speaker 7: of a major league baseball career.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you might get you there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I don't know though. Uh pretty, it's pretty distracting when
23:06
Speaker 3: I have to interview you have to look at those
23:08
Speaker 3: fake choppers.
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Speaker 5: Uh see.
23:10
Speaker 3: Anyway, Healley on with us yesterday and I asked him,
23:15
Speaker 3: when we come out of this All Star break, how
23:18
Speaker 3: are you going to how would you set this pitching rotation?
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Speaker 8: I think that's the million dollar question right now to
23:24
Speaker 8: talk in the fact that the Mariners are almost they're
23:27
Speaker 8: almost combating themselves in the media with the answers they're
23:30
Speaker 8: giving and then they're not lining up with the action
23:32
Speaker 8: that they're taking. It's almost like they can't figure out
23:34
Speaker 8: what direction they want to go. And look, I understand
23:36
Speaker 8: it's it's a conundrum. And if they've what's been clear
23:39
Speaker 8: to me, I guess what I can say. It's been
23:41
Speaker 8: clear to me that the piggy bag is not the
23:43
Speaker 8: direction they want to go because they've now skipped twice
23:46
Speaker 8: the six man We saw what that looked like with
23:49
Speaker 8: the one really long road trip, but was that just
23:51
Speaker 8: an anomaly because of how many games were played and
23:53
Speaker 8: that's in that in that long stretch. Maybe they want
23:56
Speaker 8: to go back to that and give it a shot.
23:58
Speaker 8: I mean, they're going to have the All Star break
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Speaker 8: and they're going to come back and have it looks
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Speaker 8: like six straights, so maybe they run the six men
24:03
Speaker 8: out there again.
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Speaker 5: They have a day off.
24:06
Speaker 8: It just looks like the schedule lines up where there's
24:08
Speaker 8: quite a few off days kind of through August, which I.
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Speaker 5: Think will help.
24:12
Speaker 8: But also we have the trade deadline coming up, So
24:15
Speaker 8: how are they planning on navigating this, because if they
24:18
Speaker 8: are going to move one of the starters, they want
24:20
Speaker 8: to make sure they're still stretched out and got you know,
24:23
Speaker 8: selling a reliever at that point. And I think Kerry
24:25
Speaker 8: to Poto gave away a little bit of as cards
24:27
Speaker 8: thereof it might be a buyer to buy or market
24:30
Speaker 8: with teams out there that need specific pieces, and we
24:32
Speaker 8: know the narrators have a surplus of one specific thing
24:35
Speaker 8: that a lot of teams could use.
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Speaker 3: Ran Healley yesterday. If you want to hear the entire conversation,
24:39
Speaker 3: you can do so at ninety three to three kjar
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Speaker 3: dot com. I don't think they're going to trade a
24:43
Speaker 3: starting pitcher at the trading deadline. Number one. They've pretty
24:47
Speaker 3: much said that every single time you you think you
24:51
Speaker 3: have excess starting pitching, until one day you don't. They
24:54
Speaker 3: don't ever want to paint themselves in that corner. They're
24:56
Speaker 3: very bullish about this. Plus, the one guy I think
24:59
Speaker 3: they would trade, Luis Castillo. He is not exactly and
25:03
Speaker 3: a valuable trade commodity because of the salary that he makes.
25:06
Speaker 3: So if you were to make that trade, you're probably
25:08
Speaker 3: going to have to take another salary on that's a
25:11
Speaker 3: longer salary, a bigger salary, not just maybe not a
25:16
Speaker 3: bigger salary, but a longer salary, a longer term. Like
25:20
Speaker 3: a team that wants to rebuild will take a year
25:22
Speaker 3: and a half of Castillo. If you take three and
25:24
Speaker 3: a half years of Matt Chapman off of our hands.
25:27
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a possibility, but it doesn't seem like the
25:30
Speaker 3: way that they do business on either front. They don't
25:33
Speaker 3: really want a trade starting pitching, and number two, they
25:36
Speaker 3: don't really want to take on worse contracts than the
25:38
Speaker 3: ones that they already have. It's just not the way
25:41
Speaker 3: John Stanton likes to operate, nor does Jerry to Poto.
25:44
Speaker 3: So I don't think that's going to happen between now
25:47
Speaker 3: and the trading deadline, but I open myself up to
25:49
Speaker 3: be surprised. So how would we start this rotation? Well,
25:55
Speaker 3: I don't think the piggyback was a terrible experiment, terrible idea.
26:00
Speaker 3: I think some good things came from it, but in
26:03
Speaker 3: the end they were so noncommittal to it that it
26:06
Speaker 3: became more of a distraction than anything else. So I
26:09
Speaker 3: think the piggyback has been flushed by like yesterday's heard.
26:13
Speaker 3: I think that it is forever out of our lives.
26:16
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to go back to that,
26:18
Speaker 3: So that would be my guess on that front. I
26:21
Speaker 3: also think the six man rotation, even though it's been
26:23
Speaker 3: effective as of late, I'm not sure Dan Wilson is
26:26
Speaker 3: good enough with your bullpen to operate with a shortened bullpen.
26:30
Speaker 3: And I also don't think that's maximizing starting pitchers like
26:34
Speaker 3: Logan Gilbert, who's on a roll right now, Bryce Miller,
26:37
Speaker 3: who we should watch pitch in a five man rotation.
26:39
Speaker 3: We want him to pitch as much as he possibly can.
26:42
Speaker 3: And I'd argue Emerson Hancock has maintained that high caliber
26:46
Speaker 3: as well. So I think that a six man rotation
26:50
Speaker 3: has more problems than it has solutions. And so my
26:55
Speaker 3: guess is, and this is where I land here on
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Speaker 3: eighth and we are, by the way, that's Brian Wu's
27:03
Speaker 3: last start, Like he's not gonna start again before the
27:06
Speaker 3: All Star break, right, So you come out of the
27:09
Speaker 3: All Star break and we now know there's no setting
27:12
Speaker 3: the rotation out of the All Star break based on
27:15
Speaker 3: you know, preference of order. That just doesn't happen. We
27:18
Speaker 3: think it's going to happen, and it doesn't happen anymore.
27:22
Speaker 3: So what makes the most sense, Well, you come out
27:24
Speaker 3: of the All Star break with six home games. Brian
27:29
Speaker 3: Wu has road struggles. Obviously, we can't just bottle him
27:33
Speaker 3: up on the road and just put him in street close.
27:36
Speaker 3: He's eventually got to figure that out, But for right now,
27:39
Speaker 3: I'm certainly going to take advantage of how dominant he
27:42
Speaker 3: is at home. So I got an All Star break,
27:44
Speaker 3: I'm gonna set a five man rotation. Brian Wu's gonna
27:47
Speaker 3: be my starter coming out of the gates against the
27:49
Speaker 3: San Francisco Giants, so that he can throw two home
27:52
Speaker 3: games on that home stand. And so he's going to
27:56
Speaker 3: get the Giants at the front end, and he's gonna
27:57
Speaker 3: get the Reds on the back end. And then you
28:00
Speaker 3: go on the road, and eventually he's going to have
28:02
Speaker 3: to pitch on the road. But I at least get
28:04
Speaker 3: to start it off with him two home games, play
28:07
Speaker 3: to his strength and avoid his weakness for a little
28:11
Speaker 3: while in a four game series with division rival Texas Rangers,
28:16
Speaker 3: who are right on our heels. So I'd start with
28:19
Speaker 3: Wu and then I'd go Bryce Miller because he's got
28:22
Speaker 3: the most bullets left in the chamber now that he's healthy,
28:24
Speaker 3: he's got the least amount of damage done to him
28:29
Speaker 3: in terms of toil. Plus he's also pitched the best
28:34
Speaker 3: of the entire group every single time out. So I
28:37
Speaker 3: go Bryce Miller second, then I go Gilbert Kirby and Hancock.
28:41
Speaker 3: So obviously that leaves somebody out. And this is the
28:45
Speaker 3: conversation that I think has to be held. And we
28:48
Speaker 3: got to be honest. We gotta be grown ups. We
28:50
Speaker 3: got to be adults about this. We have a five
28:52
Speaker 3: man rotation. That's what we want to commit to. And unfortunately, Luis,
28:57
Speaker 3: you're our sixth best starter. And this is not news
29:00
Speaker 3: to Luis Castile. They were inventing ways to avoid starting
29:05
Speaker 3: him in the playoffs last year. They had plenty of
29:07
Speaker 3: times to start him, move him up in the rotation.
29:10
Speaker 3: He was on the most rest, but we're still going
29:12
Speaker 3: to back him up. They were avoiding it. This isn't new.
29:16
Speaker 3: They were avoiding that in the postseason a year ago.
29:18
Speaker 3: So I get it. It's not an easy thing to
29:23
Speaker 3: say he wants to start. He'd start onst in almost
29:27
Speaker 3: every starting rotation in major League Baseball, not ours. So
29:32
Speaker 3: I think we're going to just end up at the
29:34
Speaker 3: end of this long conversation about this at the exact
29:38
Speaker 3: place that we knew we were at when it began,
29:41
Speaker 3: when Bryce Miller was activated, that Luis Castillo is our
29:44
Speaker 3: sixth best starter, and under different circumstances, he'd absolutely be
29:48
Speaker 3: in our rotation. But in this particular case, he's not
29:52
Speaker 3: going to be in our rotation, and we're going to
29:54
Speaker 3: figure out a relief role for him, And if it
29:57
Speaker 3: ends up being a short, high leverage role, I think
29:59
Speaker 3: he could actually excel at that. He seems to dominate
30:02
Speaker 3: that first inning when he comes out of the bullpen.
30:04
Speaker 3: I think he could excel at that. If we want
30:06
Speaker 3: a long reliever, that's not a bad idea either. Last
30:10
Speaker 3: night probably would have been a good idea for a
30:12
Speaker 3: long reliever. WU comes out trailing three runs, put Castillo
30:15
Speaker 3: in the game for four. If you come back, great,
30:17
Speaker 3: If not, you don't use your bullpen. I don't every
30:21
Speaker 3: team used to have a long reliever. Teams don't have
30:25
Speaker 3: it as much anymore. I don't think that's a terrible idea.
30:28
Speaker 3: But I also think that he could be activated again
30:32
Speaker 3: into the starting rotation with an injury. But I think
30:35
Speaker 3: that he's just a good candidate to move to the bullpen.
30:38
Speaker 3: And I don't think he's one of our top five starters.
30:40
Speaker 3: To me, that's pretty clear cut what needs to happen
30:43
Speaker 3: coming out of the break.
30:44
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think you know, if people look at
30:46
Speaker 7: a recency bias, yes, he hasn't been much better much
30:48
Speaker 7: we started the piggyback, he's gotten much better. But I
30:51
Speaker 7: do think that could be used positively in the bullpen.
30:53
Speaker 7: I think what we've seen, Yeah, if it took you
30:56
Speaker 7: all this to get to the conclusion in that way,
30:58
Speaker 7: you're absolutely certain about it when you get there that
31:00
Speaker 7: Costillo should go to the bullpen, then okay, it was
31:02
Speaker 7: all for something.
31:04
Speaker 3: It was all for something. That's that's the goal. I
31:06
Speaker 3: think it could be a weapon. Yeah, And if he's
31:10
Speaker 3: got the competitive fire and the competitive spirit and the
31:12
Speaker 3: leadership qualities that you love so much, he'll embrace that. Eventually.
31:16
Speaker 3: He's not gonna like it, but he's not going to
31:18
Speaker 3: go out there and just yeah, here hit it. Yeah,
31:21
Speaker 3: just going to roll it to him. I'm a relief
31:23
Speaker 3: pitcher now, and it sucks. I mean, he's not going
31:26
Speaker 3: to turn into that. I would hope I'm not going
31:28
Speaker 3: to turn into a gooey lump that doesn't care about
31:30
Speaker 3: his teammates. If he's as great a guy as you
31:33
Speaker 3: think he is, that those feelings are worth protecting because
31:37
Speaker 3: you love him so much. He's probably got qualities that
31:40
Speaker 3: you admire and love that will allow him to embrace
31:44
Speaker 3: a different role on this team, anything to help the squad.
31:47
Speaker 3: And he's got to be blind if he doesn't realize
31:49
Speaker 3: that the five guys that he's losing to in this
31:51
Speaker 3: competition are really damn good and he likes them all
31:55
Speaker 3: and he thinks the world of all of them. So
31:57
Speaker 3: I don't think this is as hard as they're making it.
31:59
Speaker 3: I think we're going to end up arriving at the
32:01
Speaker 3: exact same conclusion that we knew we were at when
32:05
Speaker 3: Miller was activated, that Luis Castillo is our sixth best
32:08
Speaker 3: starter in our rotation right now, and we're going to
32:11
Speaker 3: have a five man rotation. We're going to go back
32:13
Speaker 3: to a five man rotation to start the second half,
32:16
Speaker 3: all right, We get Reckless at Breakfast next on Sports
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Speaker 3: Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, Crazy as I want
32:21
Speaker 3: on Sports and I'm just gonna warn soccer fans I
32:24
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Speaker 5: Oh I'm excited for this.
32:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you excited about this?
32:28
Speaker 5: Yeah?
32:29
Speaker 3: They're the one's going to have to read all the
32:30
Speaker 3: nasty they make me laugh. Yeah, well I I honestly,
32:36
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be a glib or anything about this,
32:39
Speaker 3: but I here's what I'd like for us to do
32:43
Speaker 3: as a sports community to help the sports talk conversation
32:46
Speaker 3: going forward, because there when we ever we talk about
32:50
Speaker 3: the best athletes of all time, it has to be
32:54
Speaker 3: divided into two different categories. I almost want a new
32:58
Speaker 3: word to be created to put it the headline of
33:00
Speaker 3: one of the categories. Because there are those who's who
33:05
Speaker 3: were born with certain physical traits that led to them
33:10
Speaker 3: being exceptional in their field, but they might not have
33:14
Speaker 3: been able to cross over and play anything else at
33:17
Speaker 3: a very high level. So there are the Wayne Gretzky's
33:20
Speaker 3: of the world. Maybe he could have been a baseball
33:22
Speaker 3: player if he would have started down that path, but
33:25
Speaker 3: he was never going to suit up for the New
33:28
Speaker 3: York Giants. He was never going to play two guard
33:34
Speaker 3: for the Jazz.
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Speaker 6: No.
33:37
Speaker 3: No, he was whatever he was born with like it
33:41
Speaker 3: was perfect for his sports I always say greatness is
33:45
Speaker 3: great ability meets great opportunity, and then greatness is pursued greatly.
33:50
Speaker 3: That's Wayne Gretzky in a nutshell. He is the great one,
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Speaker 3: and he's got to be on the list. He's got
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Speaker 3: to be near the top of the list of the
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Speaker 3: greatest athletes of all time. But that's a that's a
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Speaker 3: category that for those who were the best at what
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Speaker 3: they did in their sport. Gratzki Tiger Jack Nicholas was
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Speaker 3: never going to play linebacker for Ohio State. But in
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Speaker 3: terms of what he was built with, born with what
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Speaker 3: he developed, I mean, that's one of the greatest of
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Speaker 3: all time in terms of what he achieved. I put
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Speaker 3: Messi in this category. Then there's another category, which is
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Speaker 3: a completely another other conversation, greatest athletes of all time
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Speaker 3: those with the greatest athletic traits that have ever been born.
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Speaker 3: People that could that were strong and fast and had
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Speaker 3: endurance and and could throw and could jump, and you know,
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Speaker 3: those that could cross over any other sport. They could
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Speaker 3: have crossed over. Bo Jackson crossed over to another professional
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Speaker 3: sport while playing a professionals Yeah, that's pretty incredible, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's a completely different category. So there is the greatest
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Speaker 3: athlete of all time conversation for those that achieved the
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Speaker 3: most in their specific sport. That's a completely different conversation
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Speaker 3: than who are the greatest athletes of all time? Who
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Speaker 3: are the ones belt with the best athletic traits of
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Speaker 3: all time? Bo Jackson's, Jim Brown, Dion Sanders, Usain Bolt,
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Speaker 3: Lebron Michael those guys. That's a different conversation entirely. And
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Speaker 3: so when we have the greatest athletes of all time conversation,
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Speaker 3: I want us to have another word so that we
35:37
Speaker 3: can separate those two conversations. Okay, because Lionel Messi is
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Speaker 3: undoubtedly one of the most accomplished athletes of all time.
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Speaker 3: He might be in the conversation for the most accomplished
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Speaker 3: athlete of all time. And yet he's five foot six,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and forty five pounds and according to all
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Speaker 3: of my research data runs a four to six forty. Really,
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Speaker 3: that would make him the slowest cornerback in the National
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Speaker 3: Football League. Wow, the average cornerback because he can't play anything.
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Speaker 3: He might be able to play slot receiver, the average
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Speaker 3: wide receiver or cornerback. At an NFL draft combine runs
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Speaker 3: a four five point forty that's the average. Like Lionel
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Speaker 3: Messi's speed is twenty point one nine miles per hour,
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Speaker 3: Emon Worries is twenty three and a half. Holy moly,
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Speaker 3: I mean think about that difference. And Messi's known for
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Speaker 3: his speed. Now he's got other tremendous traits like that
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Speaker 3: feed to him being a great soccer player. Short quickness, burst,
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Speaker 3: He's got that foot eye coordination, if that's such a thing,
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Speaker 3: probably the best in the world. And that's an athletic trade.
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Speaker 3: Hand eye coordination for tennis players, foot eye coordination, hand
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Speaker 3: eye for baseball players. My goodness, that's off the charts.
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Speaker 3: Hand eye coordination for baseball. But foot eye coordination, I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's not a comparison, there's not even a second place
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Speaker 3: to what a soccer player has. That's an athletic trade.
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Speaker 3: That's an incredible skill that was developed because you had
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Speaker 3: the base of an athletic trait that allowed you to
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Speaker 3: be really good at what you do. So he's got
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Speaker 3: a lot of athletic traits. But is he was he
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Speaker 3: ever going to cross over and be able to become
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Speaker 3: an NFL wide receiver. No chance, No could even worry, though,
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Speaker 3: have been raised in a soccer household and become one
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Speaker 3: of the greatest soccer players of all time, you better
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Speaker 3: effing believe it. Okay, So I just think the question.
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Speaker 3: I think because we always have these conversations, but they're
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Speaker 3: two completely different conversations. There are the guys and then
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Speaker 3: there are some guys that cross over, and maybe those
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Speaker 3: are our best athletes of all time. Lebron James was
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Speaker 3: an All State football player, and he would have been
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Speaker 3: an NFL receiver even at six'. Eight he was that,
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Speaker 3: good he was that, fast his hand eye was that,
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Speaker 3: tremendous his ability to catch a, ball everything was that.
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Speaker 3: Tremendous he would have been A hall Of fame football.
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Speaker 3: Player Usain, bolt had he gone after other, sports would
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Speaker 3: have probably just written his own, ticket you. Know so
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Speaker 3: there are Some MICHAEL i, think even though we didn't
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Speaker 3: look great as a baseball, PLAYER i still think he's
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Speaker 3: one of those that crosses. Over so there are those
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Speaker 3: that combine the. Two Jim brown for, Sure dion for.
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Speaker 3: Sure but they're completely different. Conversations and So i'd like
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Speaker 3: to JUST i don't, Know reckless At breakfast would like
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Speaker 3: to invent a new headline for the conver for those two,
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Speaker 3: conversations so that we can separate them going, forward because
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Speaker 3: there's no way that they're equal. Conversations, no AND i would.
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Speaker 3: AGREE i just what would the word? Be we got
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Speaker 3: to come up with. That, yeah that's the tricky. Part,
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Speaker 3: yeah maybe It's. MESOPOTAMIA i don't. Know that's, something all.
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