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Club 520 - Mark Cuban on buying Dallas Mavericks, trading for Luka Doncic, Kobe Bryant deal · Club 520 Podcast

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Speaker 3: Mark. He makes the parlays to get you paid. Man. Now,
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Speaker 3: I know you're out the game a little.
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Speaker 1: Bit, but have you seen how they treat the players
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Speaker 1: about these player of props and the parlays man, when
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Speaker 1: they're out for feeling the lakes mess?
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Speaker 4: What a mess? Man? I mean, like when I was
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Speaker 4: going to Board of Governor's means that we're talking about gambling.
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Speaker 4: Never in our wildest dreams do we think like the
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Speaker 4: prediction markets or even like the prop bets. You know.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you're gonna shoot the ball at seven seconds
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Speaker 4: or eight seconds from the free throw life. I mean,
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Speaker 4: and then the guys are just starting to get ripped.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's bad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Sure he was a victim of that. You gotta rebound.
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Speaker 3: I wasn't supposed to.
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Speaker 4: Get you ruined.
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Speaker 3: My part, I'm wooing the Milwaukee's no.
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Speaker 4: Like even like walking down the tunnel now like after
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Speaker 4: a game. Yeah, you know it used to be you know, hey,
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Speaker 4: autograph autograph you motherfucker little kids around the girls.
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Speaker 3: Yeah you sold me.
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Speaker 1: But with that being said, shout rock, shout the stock
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Speaker 1: keeping us fresh as well. Last Sun Least Shot the
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Speaker 1: be there Atlanta, Georgia Live show Tig hometown Man, a
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Speaker 1: real Lanta Hall.
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Speaker 3: We know you from that, but you Atlanta man, for sure.
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Speaker 3: They're still mad at us.
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Speaker 1: Man. We're good anyways, man, we got a special guest.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna introduce them last as usual. To my far left,
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Speaker 1: we got my dog Bishop be hearing out the pear league.
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Speaker 1: How you were nasty, cool and nasty man, I'm glad
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Speaker 1: about this on my day, Yes, many man got a
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Speaker 1: couple of questions from God.
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Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, anytime being too his research. Yeah, you
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Speaker 3: know it's gonna get wicked. We have fun for sure. Man.
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Speaker 3: To my right, we got my dog young Natcho, Young Tig.
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Speaker 3: How you what, I'm good man, I'm excited.
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Speaker 4: Bro.
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Speaker 1: We all fans of Shore Tank. I'm fan from him
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Speaker 1: as an owner. Y'all went to the game before had Yes, fool.
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Speaker 2: We gotta talk about talk about We got a great
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Speaker 2: story about that as well. Yeah, for sure, Come on, man,
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Speaker 2: we take care of everybody.
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Speaker 4: Mark.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta talk Boston choices in our cast made
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Speaker 1: and a friends of family.
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Speaker 3: But we'll get to that. We got a lot to
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Speaker 3: talk about today. Man.
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Speaker 1: We got a philanthropist, billionaire man, one of the smartest
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Speaker 1: minds on and off the court, mister Mark Cuban, big dog.
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Speaker 3: We appreciate you sliding on this man.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for letting me come in. Man, I had to
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Speaker 4: chase you guys.
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Speaker 3: When we looked at them, I said, hello, is that
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Speaker 3: the real Mark?
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Speaker 4: How long did they take the respond to the dem
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Speaker 4: You remember? Years? He was today?
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Speaker 3: Man, hold it down for sure.
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Speaker 1: We got a lot of these talk about First man,
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Speaker 1: why are you gonna get young Nat free agency?
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Speaker 3: Man? Why?
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Speaker 1: Man?
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Speaker 4: Because he was rolling when he was rolling with the Hawks, right,
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Speaker 4: making y'all start team like, first there was we won,
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Speaker 4: then there was a lockout, right, and then that's when
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Speaker 4: you started to really kick in with the Hawks, and
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Speaker 4: then you make the All Star team and you weren't
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Speaker 4: they weren't letting you go anywhere. Yeah, and by the
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Speaker 4: time you were free, you weren't quite that All star. Yeah. Sorry, physical.
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Speaker 4: We were passing on physical when they really talked about you. Right,
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Speaker 4: we had you brother in a couple of times. But no,
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Speaker 4: I mean defend. I mean you're one of the few
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Speaker 4: two way players, right, yeah, so you could say, be
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Speaker 4: some passer, right, great finisher, but can shoot some Yeah.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'd make an all star team in this league.
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Speaker 4: You're doing appreciated. Never heard nobody call him a two
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Speaker 4: ways votes are like, didn't you get like votes for
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Speaker 4: defensive Player of the years? That might have been ch
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Speaker 4: I love my brother Johnny Clinton.
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Speaker 3: Would have been left.
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Speaker 1: I'll take you yea whoever DPOY votes U P sent though,
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yo, what.
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Speaker 4: I just said defensive team?
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Speaker 3: Okay, make your respect? Yeah very aw, that's all.
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Speaker 4: This is crazy your uncle right.
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Speaker 3: Here, Believe it or not, Jess, he is one of
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Speaker 3: the best defensive point rid.
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Speaker 1: The Trouble February nineteen, twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 3: I was sold. I was solid war your rules and
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Speaker 3: they're showing stuff.
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Speaker 4: They shut him down, right.
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Speaker 1: I say that you might have had thirty one but
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Speaker 1: five Yeah, yeah, you know, I guess so while we're here,
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Speaker 1: we can look up the game probably of February nineteen
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. But that's okay, okay, he probably couldn't be
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Speaker 1: forty no word, But listen, man, when I used best alumni,
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Speaker 1: what made you choose Indiana University?
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Speaker 4: Man?
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Speaker 3: Right down.
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Speaker 4: I was in Pittsburgh where I grew up, and you know,
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Speaker 4: I didn't have much money, but I wanted to go
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Speaker 4: to business school. So I saw this of the top
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Speaker 4: ten business schools and picked out the cheapest one. It
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Speaker 4: was the one I could afford. So I went to
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Speaker 4: Bloomington sight unseen, never saw the campus, never visited, just
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Speaker 4: showed up on my dorm room and went to school.
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Speaker 3: So you came to you and hadn't you know what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, and peeped the scene up.
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Speaker 4: No, not at all.
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Speaker 3: You fell immediately, I imagine.
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Speaker 4: Yo. Yeah, yeah, shout out to Foster quad Shady one
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Speaker 4: or nine, you know, Foster Quair boy leaving Pittsburgh the
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Speaker 4: blooms and it's crazy. Oh, I love Pittsburgh. I ever
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Speaker 4: been to Texas, Brazil? Out there? Yeah, man, that's my ship.
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Speaker 4: You know, Pittsburgh, Man, I got people out there. Man, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: that's a beautiful restaurant. Man, that lobster biscuit, and then
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Speaker 4: real by I couldn't tell you about the lobster biskut there.
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Speaker 4: I love Sittsburgh. Man, it's gotten better and better and better.
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Speaker 3: You noticed I got the import of lobster biscuit.
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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh a little wicked, but the Rivers walk from worse.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did you grow up many Pittsburgh teams a
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Speaker 3: local things?
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, of course. I mean that's you know,
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Speaker 4: my dad, my uncles, everybody was Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, you
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Speaker 4: name it. Nice and even when like I was a
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Speaker 4: hoop fan, but it was like the college, so it
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Speaker 4: was du Cane when Dukne was good. But I was
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Speaker 4: a kid when they were shooting the Fishes, Save Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 4: Don't ever hear that movie? No, no, you got to
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Speaker 4: check it out with Julius Serving. I'm not gonna say
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Speaker 4: anything more.
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Speaker 3: I have seen that movie.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like old old and yeah, Pittsburgh got checked out.
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Speaker 3: I have seen him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still get criticized. I've never seen Hooters and
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Speaker 1: I went together. I went to about I've never seen Hooters.
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Speaker 4: I just saw it again the other night. Actually, I
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Speaker 4: was like don't change that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my my favorite Hoole movie is about the realms
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Speaker 1: always above rip. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Lo as it is.
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Speaker 1: Yoah should have saw Tommy Shepherd willtend they had a
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Speaker 1: bestment rage.
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Speaker 4: But no.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, in any university one of the best alumnis. How
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Speaker 1: does it feel now to be a part of one
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Speaker 1: of the best alumnis in the world and in the world.
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Speaker 3: Is you have to be involved with n I l.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's crazy. Actually it's good for us man,
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Speaker 4: because it's not even about spending the money. It's just
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Speaker 4: like coach Sick, who's a Pittsburgh Western Pennsylvania guy, he
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Speaker 4: understood really quickly that it wasn't like the old days
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Speaker 4: of college right college sports is no longer college sports.
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Speaker 4: It's pro sports. And he recognized that like just like
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Speaker 4: in the NBA, there's potential on there's production, and when
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Speaker 4: you're only going to have a guy for a year
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Speaker 4: or two, you need production like right off the bat,
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Speaker 4: and you want somebody, you know, with your basketball IQ
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Speaker 4: or football IQ that understands the role because you guys know, man,
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Speaker 4: and if a guy comes in and he's here in
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Speaker 4: his head, but his roles here and he doesn't get
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Speaker 4: that team falls apart. Yes, definitely basketball in football too.
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Speaker 4: And and coach Sigg understood that he recruits for that,
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Speaker 4: pays for that like zero five stars like only seven
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Speaker 4: four stars. Man, that tells you you're getting the right
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Speaker 4: person for the right job, the right coach to coach them.
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Speaker 4: And then obviously Mendoza, man, heis Mendoza. That was the difference.
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Speaker 3: One of the best college football season of all time.
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Speaker 1: I they be having an arguments about the best team,
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Speaker 1: best fun but this, in my opinion, the best college
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Speaker 1: football season of all time.
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Speaker 3: They won the most games.
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Speaker 4: Yes, come on, man, yes, I mean it's like the
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Speaker 4: ultimate underdog Oosier's story, right, Yes, fifty years of suck
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Speaker 4: ass when you win after fifty years of sucking like true,
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Speaker 4: like from the time I went to school back in
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Speaker 4: the day to now, like they don't win anything, like
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Speaker 4: we need more Top ten teams this year than the
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Speaker 4: entire history of the program. Yes, yeah, they'd never been
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Speaker 4: known for football.
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Speaker 3: How does a football school now though?
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Speaker 4: Whatever, you know, whatever, wherever you're win, I don't care.
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Speaker 3: I know I wrote you know.
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Speaker 4: So I felt like really gay, like all who's your nation?
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Speaker 4: For like the biggest alumni, right yeah, people just showing up,
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Speaker 4: like having more fans than Oregon, having more fans in
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Speaker 4: Alabama and then in Miami's backyard having equal numbers.
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Speaker 3: They went to the.
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Speaker 4: Got the game.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're insane. All the people he went in
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Speaker 2: the airport. Remember it was in the airport. I was like, Bro,
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Speaker 2: this is we might wipe them out for sure.
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Speaker 1: Any I mean, we saw a couple, but all we
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Speaker 1: saw was red shirts the entire place. They took over
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Speaker 1: the entire city.
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Speaker 4: Everywhere every where. I love bro because everybody knew that
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Speaker 4: I had contributed, So everywhere I went, like I buy
10:47
Speaker 4: a drink and not my money is already.
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Speaker 3: The little hating now you my group chair, they like,
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Speaker 3: ain't mark all of us? Which a braid up? You can?
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Speaker 3: You like me too?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah it was.
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Speaker 4: It was cool. It was cool what we got to
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Speaker 4: do to get that basketball back Roland. Yeah. I think
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Speaker 4: you know, I've been talking to Scott Dawson and Dad
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Speaker 4: and just like what I was saying here, like it's
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Speaker 4: different game. You can't recruit high school kids unless that's
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Speaker 4: a one and done kid that you know has already
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Speaker 4: made you know, that one of those kids who go
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Speaker 4: right to the NBA and start right off the bat,
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Speaker 4: because you need people that. I mean, you if one
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Speaker 4: team can get a kid like Illinois, right, Illinois I
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Speaker 4: think has figured out. I think they've got a good
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Speaker 4: shot to win. I know, Michigan's got more talent, right,
11:35
Speaker 4: but they got four dudes that are like forty years
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Speaker 4: old and right from Serbia. First of all, this Vocking Nations.
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Speaker 4: You know, they know how to play, right, and they
11:47
Speaker 4: start playing professional like young, you know, fifteen, sixteen seventeen,
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Speaker 4: and then they're playing on their city team, then the
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Speaker 4: country team, and so they've been through all the big
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Speaker 4: games and then they try to make euro League and
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Speaker 4: if they can't make it or you know, then they
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Speaker 4: go to college because that's the next best paying job.
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Speaker 4: And so you know, I was looking. The Illinois Biggs
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Speaker 4: are like twenty two, twenty three, and they're sophomores, you know, yes, crazy,
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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, and they've been through the wars
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Speaker 4: their men, they're grown ass men. They've played against grown
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Speaker 4: ass men. They know how to be physical because the
12:20
Speaker 4: game over there is more like college than it is NBA. Right,
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Speaker 4: So I think that gives an edge, and I've been
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Speaker 4: trying to get Indiana to try to focus on that. Now,
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Speaker 4: coach is going to do what coach wants to do,
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Speaker 4: a d is going to do. We got a guy,
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Speaker 4: Ryan Carr from the Pacers, just just started working there,
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Speaker 4: is really really good. Yeah, you know, and so Ryan
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Speaker 4: knows the shit, and so you know, he knows all
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Speaker 4: this stuff. So we'll see where we go.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to say that because it's t he comes
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Speaker 1: all the man and he's got some really good kids,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, with potential to play in
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Speaker 1: college as well. It's interesting those kids their job, well
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Speaker 1: the jobs they could get in college are getting.
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Speaker 3: Slim and slim and slim. You're getting cut. Yeah, It's like,
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Speaker 3: what do you do now if you're high school kid?
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Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna get that grown man in the portal
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Speaker 1: with three mouths of feet because he gonna play his
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Speaker 1: hard out.
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Speaker 4: But no, cho, this is it. Yeah, he ain't playing
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Speaker 4: in the NBA and he maybe goes overseas, but this
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Speaker 4: is where he's making real money. And you know, so
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Speaker 4: you're right, they're gonna play hard out. But high school
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Speaker 4: kids got to go D two, you know, mid major
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Speaker 4: and you know, now you'll go to Saint Louis or
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Speaker 4: you'll go to Miami of Ohio, get paid a little bit,
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Speaker 4: but then you prove out give it a lot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that's the interest.
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Speaker 1: You say like that because we were talking like it's
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Speaker 1: literally one year deals now, like one of your deals
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Speaker 1: in college and ain't for your scholarships.
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Speaker 3: It's one of your deals. If you're good, great, you
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Speaker 3: can move on to the portal.
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Speaker 4: Great. But that's what I like about it though, that
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Speaker 4: is straight one year because it.
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Speaker 3: Can go either way and have a good year, you
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Speaker 3: move up.
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Speaker 4: You have a bad year, Yeah, you're you're unemployed. You
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Speaker 4: know it's a job, right, you're literally unemployed. You got cut.
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Speaker 3: I never thought about it that. I wonder if you
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Speaker 3: if I had a last year, I thought this year,
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Speaker 3: I'm a coach.
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Speaker 1: I'm going literally like, don't like if I gave you
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Speaker 1: undred thousand years before and you didn't play well, and
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Speaker 1: be like, well, if you want to come back, I
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Speaker 1: got twenty thousand forty for real and you're going to
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Speaker 1: leave for real?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Or you're getting a forty thousand dollars scholarship that's
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Speaker 4: your money, you know. I like this it's it's hard.
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Speaker 2: It's hard on it though that put that may I
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Speaker 2: think that gives the kids a reason to work harder though,
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Speaker 2: for sure, because if you get a million. I was
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Speaker 2: just talking to Jamie them about that. If you get
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Speaker 2: a million and the next year somebody offer you two
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand, you're pissed.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, But Jeff knows, like how many dudes came
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Speaker 4: into the league that you were teammates with that didn't
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Speaker 4: know how to use a credit card, didn't know what
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Speaker 4: a checking account was, and all that. So from an
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Speaker 4: NBA perspective, like we had one dude, I won't I
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Speaker 4: won't bust them, but never to opened up a credit uh,
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Speaker 4: never had a credit card, didn't know how to checking
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Speaker 4: the account worked, you know, none of that stuff, and
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Speaker 4: just was lost and blew his money. Now, from the
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Speaker 4: NBA perspective, NAL was great for sure, right because you're
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Speaker 4: staying in school longer. They learned how to manage their
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Speaker 4: money all that stuff. So that's a positive. But on
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Speaker 4: the negative side, parents know, you know, and the whole
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Speaker 4: AAU scene just gets even worse is that money's coming
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Speaker 4: in sooner. There's kids getting n AL money in high
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Speaker 4: school now yeah, no, I mean that's brutal, brutal for
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Speaker 4: so we imagine being an agent now nah, I couldn't
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Speaker 4: at all for what chasing like sixteen year old kids.
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Speaker 3: Around you au trying is looking filthy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but a tournaments like are stacked right, they're like
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Speaker 4: and the parents getting nasty because the money's right there.
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Speaker 4: Used to be NBA, you were like one of four fifty.
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Speaker 4: Now there's what you there's probably you know, fifty thousand.
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Speaker 4: Not no, that's not right. So there's what two hundred
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Speaker 4: schools and say the top five on average, So a
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Speaker 4: thousand kids are getting paid in college and maybe twenty
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Speaker 4: are getting paid in high school. That's a lot to
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Speaker 4: chase right there.
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Speaker 3: Well ye chase.
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Speaker 1: You know, mys when we did the first of D's
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Speaker 1: Occupation and we saw the n I L kids and
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Speaker 1: the like, yeah they're athletes, I'm like, damn it, sixteen Like.
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Speaker 3: It took me. It took me five years to get
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Speaker 3: the NBA.
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Speaker 4: But at least you know, and the cool part is
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Speaker 4: like when Jeff played, the stories were great about guys
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Speaker 4: getting paid right you know under the table, ye not
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Speaker 4: sit there and just laugh. Yeah, I got two fifty
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Speaker 4: and you know, three hundred for real, but now it's
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Speaker 4: just above the book.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought, my little te k I killed them
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Speaker 3: chill outs. They just got me in.
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Speaker 4: One.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just got the Hall of fame. All right.
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you one question I never got
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Speaker 1: to ask another human being this. What was that feeling
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Speaker 1: like when you made your first billion dollars?
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Speaker 4: I was naked? What where do we go for me?
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Speaker 4: I mean you so like when our stock so I
17:20
Speaker 4: had a company was we started the streaming industry. It
17:23
Speaker 4: was called Broadcast dot com, first streaming company, and so
17:26
Speaker 4: we went public, biggest I p on the history of
17:27
Speaker 4: the stock market at the time. First day jump, and
17:30
Speaker 4: our stock kept on going up, and I knew what
17:32
Speaker 4: what the price had to be. And I'd get up
17:34
Speaker 4: every morning to go to work, and I checked the stock,
17:37
Speaker 4: you know before I you know, before I run into
17:39
Speaker 4: the bathroom address and I was closed, right, So I
17:42
Speaker 4: had to go back and check again because I was
17:44
Speaker 4: showering after the market open hit, you know, my little
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Speaker 4: keep the stock in the bank. Cook.
18:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd been my last day.
18:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gotta keep working, man. That is fire
18:07
Speaker 4: is fine. What was your first line of hustle, Like,
18:09
Speaker 4: what was the first thing that shooting? Oh my god,
18:11
Speaker 4: I was like when I was eight nine years old
18:13
Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh. When I was eight nine years of Pittsburgh,
18:17
Speaker 4: I used to go buy baseball cards and then there
18:19
Speaker 4: was a park down the street and with a table,
18:23
Speaker 4: and I used to just set up and i'd repackage him.
18:26
Speaker 4: So I'd say, okay, it cost me ten cents, twenty
18:28
Speaker 4: five cents whatever, and then i'd repackaged him for a
18:30
Speaker 4: dollar for a package, and I'd say there'd be a
18:32
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Pirate card in there, right, because all kids wanted
18:35
Speaker 4: the local team. And so that was my first hustle.
18:38
Speaker 4: My second hustle was I asked my dad. My dad
18:41
Speaker 4: and his buddies used to play poker at different houses, right,
18:44
Speaker 4: So they come over and they were, you know, yucking
18:47
Speaker 4: it up. And I went in there to get donuts
18:49
Speaker 4: or whatever, and I was like, Dad, I need a
18:50
Speaker 4: new pair of shoes, new pair of basketball shoes. Looks
18:52
Speaker 4: at me and he's like, those shoes work. When you
18:55
Speaker 4: have a job, you can buy whatever you want. One
18:57
Speaker 4: of his buddies that he was playing with, was like, hey,
18:59
Speaker 4: I got all these boxes of garbage bags that you
19:02
Speaker 4: can go around the neighborhood and sell. I'm like, Dad,
19:04
Speaker 4: can I And He's like sure. So literally I had
19:07
Speaker 4: the world's first garbage bag route and it was great.
19:10
Speaker 3: Right.
19:10
Speaker 4: I walk up the doors meagine the twelve year old Mark, Hi,
19:15
Speaker 4: my name is Mark. Do you use garbage bags? And
19:20
Speaker 4: I bought him for three sold him for six, and
19:22
Speaker 4: just bam, bam bam until I sold out. Made some
19:24
Speaker 4: money there. I sold magazines store to door because once
19:27
Speaker 4: I learned I could sell everything got easy. Yeah, and
19:29
Speaker 4: I was just whatever hustle.
19:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you saw I was going door to door.
19:33
Speaker 4: Oh man, if you can sell door to door, you
19:35
Speaker 4: always have a job.
19:36
Speaker 3: Shouts to the people who did cutco door. You wasn't.
19:43
Speaker 3: I got that too.
19:47
Speaker 4: I was selling the magazine's door to door when I
19:48
Speaker 4: was sixteen, and there were just you know, three things. Yes,
19:51
Speaker 4: I made a deal, No, I got shut out. Three.
19:54
Speaker 4: Some hot mom answered the door. I was like, hello,
19:59
Speaker 4: what was you? The trash bays go for I sold
20:02
Speaker 4: him for six bucks a bag, I mean at six
20:04
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20:21
Speaker 4: So I'd always been a basketball junk gam you know,
20:23
Speaker 4: I still play pickup and get out there and shoot
20:26
Speaker 4: and all that. And so I have season tickets to
20:30
Speaker 4: the Maps. And it was the ninety nine two thousand season,
20:34
Speaker 4: and I was there with my then girlfriend now wife,
20:36
Speaker 4: and my brothers and everything, and you know, it's the
20:39
Speaker 4: start of the season, the first game. We're undefeated, and
20:41
Speaker 4: we got Finley, we got Nash, we got Sean Bradley,
20:46
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20:50
Speaker 4: don't know if we're going to be good, but at
20:51
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20:53
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20:55
Speaker 4: sales rep. And the guy who owned him was a
20:57
Speaker 4: guy named Rossboro Junior, who didn't know anything about basketball,
21:01
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21:03
Speaker 4: And so I was like, I just sold my business.
21:06
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21:08
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21:13
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21:16
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21:20
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21:23
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Speaker 3: Jam what that trash?
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Speaker 5: What was it?
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Speaker 4: Lake George?
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Speaker 3: What was it like when you find like got the team?
23:01
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it was a blast. I was a
23:04
Speaker 4: kid in the candy store, right yeah. I was playing
23:07
Speaker 4: one on one with Dirk. I beat him two to one.
23:10
Speaker 4: I got up two oh, missed a shot. He dunked
23:13
Speaker 4: on me. I quit. You know, I'd get out there
23:16
Speaker 4: and shoot ask Richard Jefferson if you ever see him
23:19
Speaker 4: about shooting before games, just shooting for money and stuff.
23:22
Speaker 4: I mean just going out before games and just being
23:24
Speaker 4: able to get shots up, you know, getting in little
23:27
Speaker 4: runs with the staff and everything. I mean, it was
23:29
Speaker 4: it was a dream. And then and obviously the games
23:31
Speaker 4: and you know we had sucked for so long, and
23:34
Speaker 4: then Dirk and Nash and Finn came around. Yeah, and
23:37
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden we were for real and
23:39
Speaker 4: that was fun.
23:40
Speaker 1: Did the other owners receive you with good or bad?
23:43
Speaker 1: I guess I could tell a little bit different way. Yeah.
23:47
Speaker 4: I was like the Internet dude that they didn't understand.
23:49
Speaker 4: And David Stern, to his credit, was like, you know,
23:51
Speaker 4: he's young. Don't pay attention to what he says. He
23:55
Speaker 4: can help us because he understands technology. But I remember
23:58
Speaker 4: there was one guy, like older guys that were like
24:02
Speaker 4: in their late seventies eighties, and one of them it
24:07
Speaker 4: was like I I was talking about something and he goes,
24:12
Speaker 4: shut your ass up until you've done something in this league.
24:15
Speaker 4: Shut the f And David Stern was like like stop stop.
24:21
Speaker 4: So I was like, what's your name again? Called him
24:27
Speaker 4: by the wrong names and everything and so they're thinking
24:29
Speaker 4: any better. So but yeah, they didn't. They didn't take
24:35
Speaker 4: real kindly to me. And then obviously the league kept
24:38
Speaker 4: on finding me for everything.
24:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:40
Speaker 4: Like I remember like one of my first games in Minnesota,
24:44
Speaker 4: and remember.
24:45
Speaker 3: That guy I used to sit there with up.
24:48
Speaker 4: Anyways, I decided I wanted to get to know all
24:51
Speaker 4: the different jobs on the team, and so you know,
24:54
Speaker 4: there's the trainers and everything, and the equipment managers. Sometimes
24:57
Speaker 4: they'll just sit on the floor right right by the bench.
25:00
Speaker 4: So I sat down there on the floor just talk
25:02
Speaker 4: to him during the game, just to get to know
25:03
Speaker 4: their job and everything. And they find me for one
25:06
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand dollars for conduct not becoming an owner. Wow,
25:09
Speaker 4: because you're not supposed to do that, and you know,
25:12
Speaker 4: and then i'd get into the refs and all that,
25:15
Speaker 4: and it was yeah, I just went downhill from there.
25:17
Speaker 4: But I didn't care. What was the hardest part about
25:20
Speaker 4: your job being losing? Yeah, that was that was it.
25:24
Speaker 4: That was the hardest part always because winning is good,
25:28
Speaker 4: but it's not as hard as losing as bad. You know,
25:31
Speaker 4: it's just because you think you've done all the right
25:33
Speaker 4: things and then it doesn't turn out, somebody gets hurt
25:36
Speaker 4: and other team's just better, and you know that just
25:39
Speaker 4: killed me.
25:40
Speaker 3: Safely, say, you wouldn't have been a person who was
25:42
Speaker 3: pro tanking, I imagine.
25:44
Speaker 4: You know, But how else you rebuild teams?
25:46
Speaker 5: Yeah?
25:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like we had ten years in a row where
25:48
Speaker 4: we won fifty plus games, Like I didn't have a
25:51
Speaker 4: losing season until fifteen, sixteen years in so we didn't
25:55
Speaker 4: really have to tank till we had to tank, you know,
25:57
Speaker 4: once Dirk was done, it was like, okay, how do
26:00
Speaker 4: you rebuild? And so all this talk about tanking isn't
26:03
Speaker 4: really about, you know, trying to get the best draft,
26:06
Speaker 4: because like, one, even if you have the worst record,
26:10
Speaker 4: you still have an eighty six percent chance of not
26:12
Speaker 4: getting the best pick.
26:14
Speaker 3: Right.
26:14
Speaker 4: Two, you don't know if it's going to be a
26:16
Speaker 4: good draft or not. There's lots of number one pick over.
26:19
Speaker 3: Lest no disrespect, tell me about it, though, my hawk's
26:21
Speaker 3: got the number one pick.
26:23
Speaker 4: Chill to the store.
26:24
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, it's right, right, I mean, the kid can play, right,
26:27
Speaker 3: it's not.
26:28
Speaker 4: There's a difference between being able to play and being
26:31
Speaker 4: a generational player, right, And if you don't get a
26:34
Speaker 4: generational player, like, so you got to say there's a
26:36
Speaker 4: generational player once every four drafts, right, So that's twenty
26:40
Speaker 4: five percent, So you've got twenty one fourth, you know,
26:43
Speaker 4: and eighty six percent chance of not getting it. So
26:46
Speaker 4: tanking isn't really the best option. But when you when
26:50
Speaker 4: you're when you're ass right, you're typically under the cap, right,
26:55
Speaker 4: and so when you're under the cap, you have a
26:58
Speaker 4: chance to use your cap room to take players in
27:00
Speaker 4: to get draft picks. And getting draft picks is how
27:03
Speaker 4: you rebuild, yes, And so you know, if you're going
27:06
Speaker 4: to try to stop tanking, it's more about the other
27:09
Speaker 4: things that you do, Like you know, when you see
27:11
Speaker 4: the teams that have been patient and build teams like
27:14
Speaker 4: Oka see like san Antonio. Two things has got to happen. One,
27:18
Speaker 4: you want to try to collect picks, right, so that
27:20
Speaker 4: when that draft that's good happens, maybe you're there. Because
27:24
Speaker 4: you look how they get Tatum and Jay Brown, you know,
27:28
Speaker 4: and so how did they get Wemby? Right, they had
27:30
Speaker 4: the fifth worst record and they ended up with Wemby.
27:33
Speaker 4: You know, you got to be a little bit lucky,
27:35
Speaker 4: and then you got to maybe make a lucky trade,
27:37
Speaker 4: like you know, PG for SGA, you got to be lucky,
27:41
Speaker 4: and so it's not so much about how do you
27:43
Speaker 4: get the worst record, it's what are the tools you
27:46
Speaker 4: have to rebuild? And as long as you let teams
27:50
Speaker 4: collect five, six, seven, eight, nine number ones, teams are
27:55
Speaker 4: going to do all they can to stay underneath the cap.
27:58
Speaker 4: If you say you can only be under the cap
27:59
Speaker 4: for two years, you'll see everybody change behavior completely and
28:03
Speaker 4: all that will change.
28:04
Speaker 3: Now. I answer this question because they've been implemented this year.
28:06
Speaker 1: They're starting to is this new what they're doing, like
28:09
Speaker 1: going to interview the teams or the trainee staff to
28:11
Speaker 1: see if players are action.
28:14
Speaker 3: It's just more flavorant now, just because of.
28:16
Speaker 4: How this year, because I just think the league's under
28:19
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure. And shout out to Adam Silverman.
28:21
Speaker 4: He's had to put up with a lot of shit.
28:22
Speaker 4: This hit Oh my god. I mean sure, you know,
28:25
Speaker 4: and and he's done a good job, right. You might
28:27
Speaker 4: not agree with everything he's done, but to be able
28:29
Speaker 4: to lead all that it is not easy, and so
28:33
Speaker 4: he deserves a lot of credit. And I just think,
28:35
Speaker 4: you know, all all that stuff adds up, the gambling
28:39
Speaker 4: stuff and the players and all that and then you know,
28:43
Speaker 4: people talking about tanking, and it just adds up, adds up,
28:48
Speaker 4: adds up, and then you've got to respond at some
28:50
Speaker 4: point because it just gets to you. And so I
28:52
Speaker 4: think it's not that this year is different, even though
28:55
Speaker 4: it's a good draft class. It's just that I just
28:58
Speaker 4: think he just reached his limit, you know. But I
29:02
Speaker 4: don't think changing the odds for draft picks is going
29:05
Speaker 4: to change anything because like I saw one, Okay, the
29:08
Speaker 4: bottom ten teams all get a six percent chance. People
29:10
Speaker 4: are going to take more because anybody else. And so
29:15
Speaker 4: you know, he's got a tough job, and I get
29:18
Speaker 4: him credit for just trying to grind it out when
29:21
Speaker 4: we get the next year and it's not as good
29:22
Speaker 4: as draft. But the other part of it is, dudes
29:24
Speaker 4: are just better coming into the league now. I mean
29:27
Speaker 4: the skill set set, would you agree except for your
29:31
Speaker 4: year of course, two thousand and nine.
29:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think guys, I think it was
29:34
Speaker 1: really good guys. But like I think this draft has
29:37
Speaker 1: some special players, but previous years drafts not.
29:39
Speaker 4: As Yeah, but I just think guys are getting better
29:42
Speaker 4: because like when you were growing up, you watch games
29:45
Speaker 4: on TV, right, you don't really have the internet to
29:48
Speaker 4: do all that stuff. Now, anybody puts something out on
29:51
Speaker 4: Instagram or TikTok or YouTube, every twelve year old, thirteen
29:56
Speaker 4: year old, fourteen year old is trying to see it.
29:58
Speaker 4: So you see handles like twelve year old games, right,
30:02
Speaker 4: guys are doing it like, you know, doing the sham
30:04
Speaker 4: guy and everything like it's nothing. And guys you know
30:07
Speaker 4: back in the day didn't have that type.
30:09
Speaker 3: Of hand No, that's a fact.
30:10
Speaker 4: That's a good one. You got. That's like, OT we
30:12
Speaker 4: go to OC, how little little kids feel about them.
30:15
Speaker 1: All it is, Yeah, paying attention on the T and
30:17
Speaker 1: OC just THEYD now today that makes a change. They
30:20
Speaker 1: they're wanted some more of two prep schools. I believe
30:23
Speaker 1: it's the new league.
30:24
Speaker 4: Oh they're not done doing the league anymore.
30:26
Speaker 3: Yeah they're.
30:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, cause a little bit, I bet. I'm just saying.
30:34
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I told him when they came and
30:36
Speaker 4: asked me for investment like years ago. I said, that's
30:38
Speaker 4: going to be expensive. It's hard to make money doing
30:40
Speaker 4: the league, right, and it's just when you're dealing with
30:43
Speaker 4: little kids like that.
30:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's their parents, man. Yeah, so OC came to
30:49
Speaker 1: you to be the shark type man.
30:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. I mean they reached
30:52
Speaker 4: out to a lot of people. I just didn't see it.
30:55
Speaker 4: But they're killing I mean, apparently they're making a lot
30:57
Speaker 4: of money.
30:57
Speaker 1: So sure were talking about generational talent. You got a
31:02
Speaker 1: chance to drive Luca a right and did you know
31:06
Speaker 1: he was generationally.
31:08
Speaker 4: We hoped, but we didn't know.
31:09
Speaker 3: You never know, Yeah, yeah, you never know. But when
31:11
Speaker 3: you watched the film, did you like, yeah, this guy, oh.
31:13
Speaker 4: We had like we knew we had a chance to
31:15
Speaker 4: be a starter and to be good because he was
31:20
Speaker 4: ballsy man. He was fearless and that's half the battle.
31:24
Speaker 4: And but you still don't know, Like I remember watching
31:27
Speaker 4: him play at sixteen against ok C and him going
31:30
Speaker 4: right by Russ. But it's you know, NBA versus Real Madrid.
31:34
Speaker 4: You don't know how hard the guys are trying. There's
31:36
Speaker 4: no preparation, the rules are different and all that. But
31:39
Speaker 4: I mean we gave up a pick and traded up
31:42
Speaker 4: to get him, and you know, we hoped. But then
31:45
Speaker 4: I remember going we went to China for our first
31:48
Speaker 4: preseason games, and I was sitting with Sean mary And
31:51
Speaker 4: and Steven Jackson and the whole game of like, what
31:54
Speaker 4: do you think because I'm terrified because you don't know,
31:56
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh my god, Oh my god. And
31:58
Speaker 4: then guys in practice would say and you'd watch him
32:00
Speaker 4: practice every game he'd win as a rookie, and so
32:04
Speaker 4: you knew he was special. Yeah, you just didn't know
32:06
Speaker 4: how special.
32:07
Speaker 1: We played him early in the season that year and
32:10
Speaker 1: they had me guard Hi because he was the point guard.
32:12
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell am I going to do
32:13
Speaker 3: with this dude? Bro two and forty five pins? It
32:16
Speaker 3: was just posting me up, pump, fake layup, just.
32:19
Speaker 4: Ohoh, And you think you could just stay in front
32:20
Speaker 4: of Yeah.
32:21
Speaker 3: I went straight to West Matthews. I got it, I
32:25
Speaker 3: got you. We're gonna stay on this perimeter.
32:27
Speaker 1: So I want to ask, what's that conversation, Like what
32:29
Speaker 1: the Hawks y'all prepare to make that trade? Like were
32:31
Speaker 1: they looking into him? So obviously it's one of I
32:33
Speaker 1: know people try to give judgment, but Trey Luca trade
32:37
Speaker 1: two All stars hell accompassed on both sides, But what's
32:40
Speaker 1: that conversation?
32:40
Speaker 4: Like they it went down to the last minute, like literally,
32:44
Speaker 4: you got fifteen minutes between picks in the first round
32:47
Speaker 4: and we were down to like five six minutes left
32:51
Speaker 4: and we were at five and the Hawks were at three.
32:54
Speaker 4: And I called the Hawk's owner and I'm like, our
32:56
Speaker 4: general managers aren't getting this done. You know, whatever it
32:59
Speaker 4: is you want to do, can you get your general
33:01
Speaker 4: manager to call ours and make a decision. And they
33:05
Speaker 4: said they decided they wanted tray and so we threw
33:08
Speaker 4: in the first and the rest is history. Damn. It
33:11
Speaker 4: was down to the wires. Down to the wire. That
33:16
Speaker 4: wasn't bad though. Overachieved actually, and they see it.
33:22
Speaker 3: My favorite players of all time and Luis, can you
33:27
Speaker 3: do something we talked about?
33:29
Speaker 1: Boy, Lucas, boy, that would have generation. They standing next
33:39
Speaker 1: to each other already, Bro, it's.
33:42
Speaker 3: All good thing.
33:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:43
Speaker 4: It was your favorite Maps team, man, my favorite Maps
33:47
Speaker 4: team at twenty eleven obviously when we won. Yeah, that
33:50
Speaker 4: was that's your favorite squad. Yeah of course, Yeah.
33:53
Speaker 3: I heard the party was unreal.
33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I kind of well, had a good time.
34:03
Speaker 2: He's look at it, he's excited, you know. Well what
34:13
Speaker 2: was that night like though?
34:14
Speaker 4: Man? When live right? Oh? Yeah, because Jason Dry took over,
34:19
Speaker 4: that was like, okay, we're getting these buses. We're all
34:20
Speaker 4: going to live. I'm like, cool, let's go, and everybody
34:23
Speaker 4: had family and everything. We just went there and tore
34:24
Speaker 4: it up. And then one of the owners maybe or whoever,
34:29
Speaker 4: came up to me and they're like, hey, we got
34:31
Speaker 4: this one hundred and forty thousand dollars bottle of champagne.
34:34
Speaker 4: And Dirk is right there he goes yes, and so
34:39
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, whatever, I mean, I'm feeling no pain.
34:42
Speaker 4: I get out my black and I give him the
34:44
Speaker 4: carb and then Dirk ten minutes lam like where is it? Right?
34:48
Speaker 4: Then I get a tap on the shoulder like mister Cuban,
34:51
Speaker 4: hey come here. And so I got to go to
34:52
Speaker 4: the back of the office. My card got declined, and
34:55
Speaker 4: you know how when you get a new car card,
34:56
Speaker 4: you gotta sign it all in. I hadn't done that, yep,
34:59
Speaker 4: And so had to get on the phone and like
35:01
Speaker 4: they weren't going to approve it. So I get on
35:03
Speaker 4: the phone call Amex and they're like, I'm sorry, sir.
35:06
Speaker 4: I'm like, did you watch TV today? Did you watch
35:09
Speaker 4: basketball the finals today?
35:11
Speaker 1: You know? You know?
35:12
Speaker 4: And then can I talk to your manager? And they
35:14
Speaker 4: finally approved it, and yeah, the pictures are great of
35:17
Speaker 4: us just huge bottle them.
35:21
Speaker 3: Your face with Max is crazy because I'm mark you.
35:24
Speaker 4: At least I think credit cards bet up before of
35:31
Speaker 4: the past, I've been there.
35:32
Speaker 1: At least job they were nice, were nice, whiskey man,
35:40
Speaker 1: we'll get it back. Come on, put up, we're talking
35:44
Speaker 1: about you getting the ship now in six what was
35:46
Speaker 1: that feeling like?
35:47
Speaker 4: That was not there? And that was smoke that Oh
35:51
Speaker 4: we up? Yeah they got a little help though. I'm
35:54
Speaker 4: not gonna lie, but I'll tell you. I'll tell you
35:58
Speaker 4: where once I remember like where. It's third quarter, We're
36:02
Speaker 4: up like fourteen, and I'm standing up thinking, oh shit,
36:05
Speaker 4: we might sweep these guys, and I jinxed just immediately
36:08
Speaker 4: when I thought that, right, Not two seconds later, Ud
36:11
Speaker 4: steals the ball, goes in and cuts the lead a
36:14
Speaker 4: little bit. Two minutes later, Shaq pushes Eric damp Here
36:19
Speaker 4: pushes the shit out. They called the foul on damp
36:22
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, Shaq's not going to make these swish swish, right,
36:26
Speaker 4: And then the whole series just went south from there.
36:27
Speaker 4: We don't win another game. The way looked unreal. Yeah, Hey, Bennett,
36:32
Speaker 4: Salvador was crazy. I've never seen anybody drive like Bennette.
36:47
Speaker 4: Oh man, I just you know, whatever it's done, it's
36:51
Speaker 4: like forever ago, twenty years ago. That's crazy, but it's
36:54
Speaker 4: still fun to fuck with them.
36:57
Speaker 1: Is there any free agency or any situation you almost
37:00
Speaker 1: had but felt the last minute that you was working on.
37:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean obviously DeAndre Jordan. Yeah, that was kind
37:08
Speaker 4: of a clusterfuck. Yeah. And then the other one was
37:14
Speaker 4: we had to make a decision. I thought we were
37:15
Speaker 4: going to get Dwight Holler.
37:16
Speaker 5: Oh.
37:17
Speaker 4: And that was the same year that Giannis came out,
37:23
Speaker 4: and so we because we had been talking to his
37:27
Speaker 4: agent and made us think that, Okay, we've got a really,
37:30
Speaker 4: really good shot. But if we drafted right where we
37:33
Speaker 4: could have gotten Yannis, we wouldn't have had enough cap room.
37:36
Speaker 4: So we had to trade down to try to free
37:37
Speaker 4: up some caproom. And we were hoping that Yiannis would fall,
37:40
Speaker 4: and he didn't, and we didn't get Dwight Howard didn't happen,
37:44
Speaker 4: didn't get Yannis, you know, but if we had gotten
37:47
Speaker 4: and we never would have gotten Luca, you know, because
37:49
Speaker 4: it would have been we never would have been in
37:51
Speaker 4: that draft position. True. True, So I worked at house
37:54
Speaker 4: supposed to you got the better player.
37:56
Speaker 3: M that's debatable.
37:59
Speaker 4: We're here champion, huh champion who it wasn't Giannice's team.
38:06
Speaker 3: That was, Yes, I carry.
38:12
Speaker 4: Harry the well, if you got both of.
38:19
Speaker 2: Them in the draft, you take an honest both of
38:23
Speaker 2: them are all Paul that's crazy.
38:25
Speaker 4: Excuse me, excuse my language.
38:27
Speaker 3: Excuse me. It's a family show. I probably would take.
38:33
Speaker 4: And Luke Early.
38:34
Speaker 3: This is four.
38:35
Speaker 1: You're saying, like I'm saying player. He's saying in the
38:38
Speaker 1: draft it took Luca. We didn't know, yeah, because all
38:40
Speaker 1: we had Joannest.
38:41
Speaker 4: We had like literally I remember sitting in the war
38:43
Speaker 4: room and we had two VHS tapes of this kid
38:46
Speaker 4: that looks like he's twelve years old, six eleven playing
38:48
Speaker 4: against guys who looked like they were twelve years old
38:51
Speaker 4: in a Greek league. So you don't really know, but
38:53
Speaker 4: our scouts like, yeah, he's the real deal.
38:55
Speaker 1: He's the real deal VHS at that time period, because
38:57
Speaker 1: it was still like mid too.
38:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy playing at super low level winger. Yeah,
39:01
Speaker 3: like the second or third was like in the basement
39:04
Speaker 3: in Atlanta.
39:04
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, remember, yeah, I remember the fact that
39:09
Speaker 1: they had him all tuck like that. It still didn't
39:11
Speaker 1: get him. It's crazy because they was. They were supposed
39:13
Speaker 1: to trade with the Masks. Y'all got Luke uh Shane Larkin. Yeah,
39:18
Speaker 1: they it was whatever the pick was.
39:20
Speaker 4: We were twelve, I think.
39:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted to trade two picks. We ended up
39:24
Speaker 1: getting Stroder and a dude named Luca Uh. I forgot
39:26
Speaker 1: this tall yeah, long carrys like six nine sixteen. But
39:30
Speaker 1: we were supposed to trade both of those picks to.
39:32
Speaker 3: Whoever, maybe Milwaukee. It might have been Milwaukee, but we
39:35
Speaker 3: didn't trade him.
39:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, they won. It was like, ah, that's when we
39:40
Speaker 4: thought he was gonna drive.
39:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, Danny Ferry was hot.
39:42
Speaker 4: Wow, he was Danny Fair.
39:45
Speaker 3: Was your guy?
39:45
Speaker 5: Yet?
39:47
Speaker 4: Let me tell you my Danny Ferry Strow? Yeah? Please?
39:49
Speaker 4: And so I was not his guy, by the way.
39:52
Speaker 4: He was a gym and not my guy either.
39:55
Speaker 3: On the same place.
39:56
Speaker 4: Apparently about I forget what year was, maybe two thousand
40:01
Speaker 4: and nine, maybe we had a trade for Paul Pierce done,
40:05
Speaker 4: absolutely done, and our GM had worked out with Atlanta
40:10
Speaker 4: where we were going to give them a pick for something.
40:12
Speaker 4: You know, we were going to do a trade so
40:15
Speaker 4: that we can gross up the numbers, right, And it
40:17
Speaker 4: was a trade that Danny Ferry agreed to, right, and
40:20
Speaker 4: then he gets on the trade call and realizes we're
40:23
Speaker 4: trading for Paul Pierce says, no, don't even wet. Throw
40:28
Speaker 4: in the first round pick in order for us to
40:30
Speaker 4: okay this. And we didn't have it. We couldn't do it.
40:34
Speaker 4: So shout out to Danny.
40:40
Speaker 1: People's day. Definitely, Paul Pierce. Yeah, I heard you almost
40:45
Speaker 1: trade for Kobe too.
40:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
40:46
Speaker 4: That was two thousand and seven. Kobe was ready to
40:50
Speaker 4: get out. Yeah, and I was on Dancing with the
40:52
Speaker 4: Stars Google me. I didn't win, but in any event,
40:59
Speaker 4: there was a dude named Elvis who was a production assistant, right,
41:02
Speaker 4: and he was just Kobe, love everything, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe.
41:06
Speaker 4: And in between breaks, I'd be like, Elvis, I need
41:10
Speaker 4: a quiet spot. And I would talk to Rob Polinka,
41:14
Speaker 4: his agent at the time, and He's like, okay, if
41:17
Speaker 4: you can get doctor Buss to approve. And I talked
41:20
Speaker 4: to Doctor Buss and he was ready to do it.
41:22
Speaker 4: And it was like to first Josh Howard and Jason
41:26
Speaker 4: Terry and for Kobe, and I thought, okay, this is done,
41:31
Speaker 4: and I told Elvis this is done. Practicing my jib
41:34
Speaker 4: or whatever. And then we got a call from Rob that,
41:41
Speaker 4: Oh what the fuck, who's the Mitch kup check right
41:45
Speaker 4: had talked Kobe out of it? Wow? That close, damn.
41:50
Speaker 4: And I was telling Dirk the whole time, keeping him.
41:52
Speaker 4: He goes, you can trade me. I would trade me
41:54
Speaker 4: for Kobe too, and I'm like, no, the whole point, dirt.
41:56
Speaker 4: You know what he did with Hyeah.
42:04
Speaker 1: So that makes the AMC that tweet that much funnier
42:06
Speaker 1: because he was trying to be a mad.
42:08
Speaker 4: Oh no talk and I would give him ship all
42:11
Speaker 4: the time. That was back in the day when you
42:13
Speaker 4: can literally just give people ship on Twitter or whatever,
42:16
Speaker 4: say something and it would be cool. But yeah, the
42:18
Speaker 4: MBC that thing was like that. That was a classic.
42:21
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now listen, man, you give me some cool points.
42:24
Speaker 3: I told you being on the show today.
42:25
Speaker 1: Man. Shouts to my mom, duce my family. Dark Tank
42:27
Speaker 1: one of the best TV shows of all time, for sure.
42:30
Speaker 4: Hit that again, one of the.
42:32
Speaker 1: Best TV shows of all times. People get a lot
42:35
Speaker 1: of money on there. We see a lot of people
42:37
Speaker 1: turn away some bad chicken. Shouts to the people who
42:39
Speaker 1: turned down the thirty million.
42:42
Speaker 4: That thing down. It was the people the day it
42:50
Speaker 4: was the dating app I forget the name of it,
42:52
Speaker 4: and they were on there and they wanted the thirty
42:54
Speaker 4: million dollar valuation. I thought they were just there for
42:57
Speaker 4: the commercial. I thought they were just you know, they're
42:59
Speaker 4: just to get people to sign up. And so I
43:02
Speaker 4: was like, so if I gave you thirty million, would
43:05
Speaker 4: you say yes? And they took just that part and
43:09
Speaker 4: sliced it and diced it and put it on YouTube
43:11
Speaker 4: and send it around to make it seem like I
43:13
Speaker 4: gave them a thirty million dollar offer. If they would
43:16
Speaker 4: have said yes, I would have like run out the back,
43:18
Speaker 4: like no chance.
43:21
Speaker 1: That was shout to them familiar, But I never heard
43:26
Speaker 1: on the day Richard m has a week of site
43:36
Speaker 1: shot out there.
43:37
Speaker 4: Everybody do that thing, but you got to average Christian? Sure, now,
43:43
Speaker 4: So how was that though? Being on Sharks? I loved it, man,
43:46
Speaker 4: I loved it because you know the best part about
43:49
Speaker 4: it is everybody watched, families watch together, kids watched, and
43:53
Speaker 4: so you know, I did it because I wanted people
43:56
Speaker 4: to believe that the American dream was alive. And well,
43:59
Speaker 4: when someone came on that carpet, that could be from Idaho, Iowa, wherever,
44:03
Speaker 4: and if they had a decent idea and had to
44:05
Speaker 4: start to a business. We could help them out and
44:08
Speaker 4: grow some real businesses, and we did. I mean, like
44:12
Speaker 4: if you guys hurt of dude wipes, Yeah yeah, Shark Tank, God,
44:17
Speaker 4: come on, come on, shark Tank. Like I gave them
44:24
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty grand I think for twenty percent,
44:27
Speaker 4: and now they're worth at least a half a billion dollars. Damn.
44:32
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of beatbox beverages? They're like you've
44:36
Speaker 4: you're school, right, Yeah, and so they're like an alcoholic
44:39
Speaker 4: seltzer And they just sold to Budweiser for six and
44:43
Speaker 4: seventy million I think was the final number. And I
44:48
Speaker 4: bought a third of them for a million dollars. Now
44:50
Speaker 4: I got diluted down, but it's still was nice. Yeah,
44:53
Speaker 4: they're yeah, I'm familiar. Yeah you've seen the seven eleven. Yeah,
44:56
Speaker 4: they're everywhere. Those guys killed it crazy.
45:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're right next to the Wide hours rolls at
45:02
Speaker 1: the seventh eleven, right with six hundred.
45:05
Speaker 3: Evaluation twenty for sure, Mark, don't tell me invest of.
45:10
Speaker 4: That now, you don't want people.
45:13
Speaker 2: I gave them their start, alright, what flavor flavor?
45:21
Speaker 4: It didn't matter. Let me just tell you when I
45:28
Speaker 4: was at I am right there was that was the plan, right.
45:31
Speaker 4: It was like three or four dollars for a box
45:33
Speaker 4: and you just chug it and then you wait about
45:36
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes and you just saved by Bucks. It used
45:41
Speaker 4: to mix all of them together. Oh man, now, so nice.
45:44
Speaker 1: While we're here and be here final full weekend, you
45:46
Speaker 1: might as well talk about the Larry legendary road trip
45:49
Speaker 1: to Houston, Texas.
45:50
Speaker 3: But the Butler Final four was the pre game drink.
45:53
Speaker 2: Well out of that which rolls and I have some
45:55
Speaker 2: Orange mad Dog too, So yeah, he just make it
45:58
Speaker 2: to the game.
45:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was too small when you do mad Dog
46:02
Speaker 4: twenty twenty orange and all the different plays. Boy, what
46:06
Speaker 4: was the other not selling comfort? Oh no, no, no, no,
46:10
Speaker 4: it's the wine, uh Carlos. No, it was same anyway,
46:16
Speaker 4: same type of stuff, right, okay, the bottom But yeah,
46:19
Speaker 4: I mean when you broke it was just like, eh, man,
46:23
Speaker 4: I never heard his first real drink was like Gray Goose.
46:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ray Ray was twenty two. I was an NBA.
46:31
Speaker 4: Good for you. I don't know about all that, but.
46:34
Speaker 3: That's the story. That's a good We weren't going to ladies.
46:37
Speaker 3: So we got to we started probably real time.
46:42
Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, what a time period man, Bloomington, Indiana,
46:45
Speaker 1: totally different. I'll imagine like football season issues going to
46:48
Speaker 1: be insane, Like you can't.
46:49
Speaker 4: Even get ticked.
46:50
Speaker 3: It's gonna be sold up.
46:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all sold out already. It's gonna be wild.
46:55
Speaker 4: I mean it's But the difference is now the precious
47:00
Speaker 4: want to be on.
47:00
Speaker 3: Yeah.
47:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now repeating getting there was amazing. Repeating is a job,
47:06
Speaker 4: that's that's the hardest job in all of sports. Once
47:09
Speaker 4: you've won, you guys know right you know or you
47:11
Speaker 4: didn't didn't get to find out, did.
47:13
Speaker 3: You look at Hey? I got some them right now.
47:17
Speaker 3: They can't till they bring me back. Milwaukee won't win.
47:20
Speaker 3: I told.
47:25
Speaker 4: Get Yon have to come back.
47:27
Speaker 3: I don't want to play no more.
47:31
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's gonna be hard getting guys to come back.
47:34
Speaker 4: But you know, now you're gonna get players.
47:36
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a good thing. I got a bunch of
47:38
Speaker 3: five stars.
47:39
Speaker 4: Now. No, you know what, I would be surprised. I
47:41
Speaker 4: don't know the answer, but I would be surprised if
47:43
Speaker 4: we don't have a lot, because you know, I still
47:46
Speaker 4: think if you Chase the most expensive free agent. That
47:50
Speaker 4: kind of distorts everything in the locker room because you've
47:52
Speaker 4: been in the locker room where some guy got a
47:53
Speaker 4: lot more money than anybody expected, you know, and that
47:56
Speaker 4: just like changes the balance.
47:58
Speaker 3: I love kim Baisemore, but I remember the day, Oh.
48:01
Speaker 4: Yeah we got paid. Yeah, man, you got seventy million,
48:04
Speaker 4: he got chicken. I was like, you just came up
48:06
Speaker 4: the bitch. We came hixteen year when yeah, right, everything got.
48:11
Speaker 3: Down to Mike Conley Jr. Naptown legend. He forget.
48:17
Speaker 4: Right, that was one of the guys. We were the mic. Yeah,
48:20
Speaker 4: like I brought him on my jet. His dad played
48:24
Speaker 4: us like a fiddle shout yeah, yeah, I remember that
48:29
Speaker 4: from that.
48:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, we gonna get that chicken at all time.
48:36
Speaker 4: Jet war fitting good. He's like, yeah, you want to
48:42
Speaker 4: help you. You gonna go back to Memphis.
48:46
Speaker 3: So did you see the wolves? Mom Like, damn no,
48:50
Speaker 3: because I knew it was.
48:51
Speaker 4: Coming then, right, Yeah, I wasn't thinking. Damn. It was
48:54
Speaker 4: a lot worse because now all of a suddenhen you
48:56
Speaker 4: don't got the guy that you wanted. Now you still
48:59
Speaker 4: got to fill the whole do whatever you gotta do.
49:01
Speaker 4: And that year, that was the same year KD went
49:03
Speaker 4: to the Warriors. The money was insane. That's when you
49:06
Speaker 4: know centers were getting who was that La Center? Yeah, yeah,
49:12
Speaker 4: I got paid. All those guys were getting crazy. And
49:15
Speaker 4: we went and we signed, like you know, we got
49:17
Speaker 4: Wes Matthews and Harrison Barnes and a couple other guys
49:22
Speaker 4: and we tried to spread it out. Traded for Bogat
49:26
Speaker 4: and that was that was my biggest mistake here because
49:29
Speaker 4: that was the year I thought, Okay, we're going to
49:31
Speaker 4: be good and we started with the full squad. We
49:33
Speaker 4: started off three and fifteen, and so at that point,
49:36
Speaker 4: you know, you just had to break it up and
49:38
Speaker 4: trade all these guys. And it wasn't happy, but it
49:40
Speaker 4: was what it was.
49:42
Speaker 1: So at one point I ask you this question, do
49:43
Speaker 1: you wait like far enough in the season, like maybe
49:45
Speaker 1: all Star Breakers that when people be all right, this
49:47
Speaker 1: shit ain't working. We gotta we gotta save the chicken.
49:50
Speaker 1: Is there like a time here you give it like
49:51
Speaker 1: ten games, just like fifteen.
49:53
Speaker 4: Got to tell you, yeah, yeah, but just pans right.
49:59
Speaker 4: But it's like when guys get released before March first,
50:02
Speaker 4: when you know the last day before you can add
50:05
Speaker 4: to a playoff team, like if you guys are only
50:07
Speaker 4: going to add a guy to a playoff caliber team
50:10
Speaker 4: if they're good, right, so you're you're effectively the trade
50:14
Speaker 4: deadline is the date where you've got to make your
50:17
Speaker 4: final decision who you're keeping, who you're getting off of.
50:20
Speaker 4: And now with the second apron, it's ten times harder
50:23
Speaker 4: because it just it just changes all the economics. And
50:27
Speaker 4: to make matters worse, you got contracts that were signed
50:29
Speaker 4: during the last CBA that kind of distort your cap
50:33
Speaker 4: for this CBA. And so that's why you see a
50:35
Speaker 4: lot of crazy things. And I think it's even going
50:38
Speaker 4: to get crazier next year and then all those old
50:40
Speaker 4: old contracts will be off as well.
50:42
Speaker 1: Said I want to ask you this obviously, what the
50:44
Speaker 1: expansion team is getting approved. If you had a chance
50:47
Speaker 1: to run either the new team in Vegas or Seattle,
50:49
Speaker 1: wish one, would you choose Vegas?
50:51
Speaker 4: I mean, I like Seattle, but Vegas.
50:56
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban, Vegas saw me up.
50:59
Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see how much they get, you know,
51:02
Speaker 4: because there's a there's a number where it's too much,
51:05
Speaker 4: not so much from the league's perspective, they want the
51:07
Speaker 4: most they can possibly get. And I understand that, you know,
51:10
Speaker 4: with the ownerships, owners and everything, but you got to
51:13
Speaker 4: be able to make money at some point, you know,
51:15
Speaker 4: and it's hard.
51:16
Speaker 3: What do you think would be too much?
51:18
Speaker 4: I think ten will be too much. Nine or ten
51:20
Speaker 4: would be too much? Six seven, eight, because the teams
51:23
Speaker 4: that have gotten in that range have been Boston in
51:26
Speaker 4: LA and Boston in LA still have local TV deals
51:30
Speaker 4: like the MAVs. We had an eighty million dollar a
51:32
Speaker 4: year TV deal Local gone disappeared.
51:37
Speaker 3: Oh yes, you know that, dang, Like I didn't even
51:43
Speaker 3: have a say in this situation. That was because it
51:44
Speaker 3: was a new.
51:44
Speaker 4: They went out of business. All the local rs and
51:48
Speaker 4: regional sports networks toast like the last one just went
51:51
Speaker 4: out of business this week and on. Now the NBA
51:54
Speaker 4: will come up with them ways to connect all the
51:57
Speaker 4: teams together for local broadcasts. But you're not gonna get
52:00
Speaker 4: the same amount of money as was back in the day.
52:03
Speaker 2: No, no, no, depend on what story go over there
52:06
Speaker 2: might shake up the league man, big names might go
52:08
Speaker 2: to both of them cities.
52:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you still like for local TV, just the
52:11
Speaker 4: TV business. That's why. Look at you guys, right, you
52:14
Speaker 4: guys get more people watching and listening than you know,
52:17
Speaker 4: most TV shows, which you never would have thought of
52:20
Speaker 4: ten years ago. That's true. Yeah, they're gonna be bad
52:23
Speaker 4: for a couple of years, though, I don't know, you
52:25
Speaker 4: don't think you guys back and apron stuff, like think
52:28
Speaker 4: of all the old max contracts that guys will put
52:32
Speaker 4: teams will put out there, and those teams will still
52:34
Speaker 4: have to get to the minimum salary level of the floor.
52:38
Speaker 4: And so you know, you take a couple of those
52:40
Speaker 4: big contracts, put them together knowing that they're going to
52:43
Speaker 4: burn off after a year or two, and you're gonna
52:46
Speaker 4: have a good pick at least the first year or two.
52:48
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be some old guys like not to like,
52:51
Speaker 1: you know, disrespect him, but like Paul George would be
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Speaker 1: like a name like with his contract.
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Speaker 4: Paul George exactly like those guys. But they can still
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Speaker 4: because yeah, you're just not there's going to be the
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Speaker 4: first guys you would go after, right like you might
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Speaker 4: when they were younger.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I know this is absolutely impossible, but
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Speaker 1: how fun it would it be if they put them
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Speaker 1: in the same drafting. So since there's some middle teams
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Speaker 1: they get the number one, the number two picks and
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Speaker 1: pissed everybody off the t.
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Speaker 4: They can't do that.
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Speaker 3: That would be hilarious.
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Speaker 4: Yea beause remember you owners gott to vote on it.
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Speaker 3: Bake of the world.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I ain't have Vegas starting off trash bro you
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Speaker 4: hockey team they won, like, didn't they? I don't know
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Speaker 4: if they won the champions Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You think about when Toronto came the cheeks bro, No
53:34
Speaker 3: but wrong, mighty mouth.
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Speaker 4: They were horrible, were horrible Grizzlies, horrible.
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Speaker 2: Respect what I'm saying, Vegas, we need John Moran Brol.
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Speaker 4: You'll probably be out there expansive draft John John Vegas.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that Vegas.
53:53
Speaker 4: I don't know him very well.
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Speaker 1: The bounce back strong man we don't need. We don't
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Speaker 1: need Johnbby Live. You didn't knock down you crazy?
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Speaker 3: I was a ass.
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Speaker 4: What was your worst investment to any regrets? Oh my god,
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Speaker 4: I've had a bunch of them. I've had investments where
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Speaker 4: I trusted people and took them at their word and
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Speaker 4: lost five, eight, ten million dollars. But you know, but
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Speaker 4: that was my style and it's worked other places where
54:24
Speaker 4: I you know, hundreds of billions or whatever, and so
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Speaker 4: you know, it balances out a long mistakes are smaller
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Speaker 4: than your Yeah, as long as the math works on
54:35
Speaker 4: half carried like, I've had companies that have just emailed
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Speaker 4: me and I still haven't met him where I've met
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Speaker 4: him once and they've made me hundreds of millions of dollars. Wow,
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Speaker 4: as long as the company email.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got no emails.
54:53
Speaker 4: Watch this fail like the course. There's a company, Synthesia,
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Speaker 4: that does like AI avatars that I invested in when AI,
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Speaker 4: even before AI was a thing, and I gave them
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Speaker 4: I don't know, a million dollars for twenty you no,
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Speaker 4: probably thirty percent of the company. I've been deluded since.
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Speaker 4: But they just did a deal that valued them at
55:18
Speaker 4: four billion dollars. And you know my stuff is worth
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Speaker 4: four hundred, you know, and so all that covers. And
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Speaker 4: I've got a couple of deals like that. So yeah,
55:29
Speaker 4: it's say lest yeah, that's out, get it right, Yeah,
55:34
Speaker 4: I'll get it. You said, fuck, so bad of it.
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Speaker 4: It's never a.
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Speaker 3: Good either. I win. I write it off.
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Speaker 4: Would you would would you ever break a deal through
55:48
Speaker 4: an email for me? You don't know.
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Speaker 3: I got to see you shake your head.
55:54
Speaker 4: Ask because I've been doing it, like shark tank. Yeah,
55:56
Speaker 4: if they don't give me the right answers, it's not like, hey,
55:59
Speaker 4: you tell me something, I just believe you. Like I
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Speaker 4: was like bam bam, bam, bam bam, and like, because
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Speaker 4: I'm technical, I can get into the details of most
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Speaker 4: of these are tech deals, and so if you can't
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Speaker 4: give me the right answer, there's no chance. If you
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Speaker 4: give me the right answer, then there's a chance.
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Speaker 1: Now you talk about some of the successes some of
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Speaker 1: the falls, is there a tech company in one of
56:18
Speaker 1: those startups that you didn't wasn't sold on, a little
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Speaker 1: nervous about they end up going crazy.
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Speaker 3: You're like, man, I missed I don't know Uber.
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Speaker 4: Oh wow. Yeah. So the guy who started uber uber
56:28
Speaker 4: had a business before and I invested in that, and
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Speaker 4: I was one of the first people he came to
56:34
Speaker 4: with Uber uber cavs, and I kind of over negotiate.
56:38
Speaker 4: I wanted to invest and somebody else. I went shark
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Speaker 4: tank on them and kind of, you know, try to
56:43
Speaker 4: negotiate the valuation. And he got somebody else who didn't
56:47
Speaker 4: care what the valuation was and just gave him all
56:48
Speaker 4: the money and he walked me, ghosted me and boom, Yeah, yeah, God,
56:56
Speaker 4: I could be rich.
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Speaker 3: I love how all that's crazy that be here. We
57:13
Speaker 3: lose a fox. I got to know where somebody live.
57:16
Speaker 4: Don't see me no more shiny.
57:23
Speaker 3: All right before we got here, miss que the final four,
57:25
Speaker 3: when you got taking the chip man, I'm.
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Speaker 4: Going as much as I don't like Illinois with Illinois, okay, right,
57:31
Speaker 4: just because they got the forty year old. I think
57:35
Speaker 4: you know, when you have six kids, you've been through
57:37
Speaker 4: it all, you got an advantage.
57:40
Speaker 3: They got a team full. I can't go back, for sure.
57:43
Speaker 4: I can't go back.
57:45
Speaker 3: I got Michigan with Michigan, I got Michigan man playing
57:48
Speaker 3: the best all year. Yeah, they got so squad.
57:50
Speaker 4: I don't want to see Braylan doing man. I'm just
57:51
Speaker 4: taking the home team. You got one man shot you.
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Speaker 3: I won't dare early to hear, but another riff so
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Speaker 3: at all calls and that's not crazy?
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Speaker 4: How do you get away with that?
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Speaker 5: Up?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? But still cheating. He was cheating. He was seating.
58:07
Speaker 4: He was seating the Russell, seating the one to let
58:10
Speaker 4: the travel go right in front of him, right we traveled.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could have got.
58:18
Speaker 4: If that would have been me on the losing end,
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Speaker 4: like it was a MAVs game. Oh, I would like
58:22
Speaker 4: they'd be finding me. Got into a real bad Oh yeah,
58:26
Speaker 4: you god, Oh my god, that was so much fun.
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Speaker 4: And we told all the coaches we got approval from
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Speaker 4: the referees before we did it. But Del Harris, who
58:40
Speaker 4: was one of our assistant coaches back then, didn't get
58:42
Speaker 4: the memo. They was freaking out. But I could hear
58:44
Speaker 4: the crowd going with it. Oh, it was so much fun.
58:48
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
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Speaker 3: We had to search how old Deal Harris was after
58:51
Speaker 3: that clip.
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Speaker 1: For sure he didn't have gray hair before the clip.
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