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- 0:00Speaker 1: Frauday in Minnesota, fix this in sixty days.
- 0:03Speaker 2: Jale Han Omark on Face the Nation, What is a.
- 0:05Speaker 1: Feeling of the SBI?
- 0:07Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green on sixty minutes? I got check in
- 0:11Speaker 2: off fifty five KRZ the talk station.
- 0:22Speaker 3: Fifty five KRCD talk station seven o six.
- 0:26Speaker 2: This Tuesday morning.
- 0:29Speaker 3: December of the ninth, Christmas is done, Barroway, Dan Carroll
- 0:36Speaker 3: and for Brian Thomas joined a couple of days off.
- 0:38Speaker 3: Brian Thomas is back tomorrow and our buddy Joe Strucker
- 0:43Speaker 3: was able to talk to Andrew Pappis and get him
- 0:46Speaker 3: to get up early in the morning. Papas, who is
- 0:49Speaker 3: currently convalescing from a serious illness. You don't have You
- 0:54Speaker 3: don't have the wu, hon, do you.
- 0:56Speaker 1: I'll explain somebody, Dan Carroll, was if you were suffering
- 1:02Speaker 1: the ailment that I am suffering, it would be you'd
- 1:05Speaker 1: be laying in a hospital with so many tubes in
- 1:07Speaker 1: you they wouldn't be able to see you. Okay, So
- 1:10Speaker 1: let's have a little bit of compassion for those of
- 1:13Speaker 1: us that are not only suffering but are still getting
- 1:17Speaker 1: up every day and contributing to society meetings.
- 1:21Speaker 3: It's fantastic that is great. Let me ask you a
- 1:24Speaker 3: little hypothetical question for you.
- 1:26Speaker 1: I love your hypothetical.
- 1:28Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a going to be a meeting today
- 1:32Speaker 3: of a committee in Cincinnati City Hall. It is the
- 1:37Speaker 3: Public Safety and Governance Committee. And if you Andrew Pappas
- 1:41Speaker 3: were a member of said committee and the ordinance, I
- 1:45Speaker 3: know it would never happen. That's why it's hypothetical. And
- 1:48Speaker 3: an ordinance came before you that was a settlement of
- 1:53Speaker 3: eight point one million dollars, and.
- 1:56Speaker 2: You said, uh, look, we need you.
- 1:57Speaker 3: To sign off on this because we want to pay
- 2:00Speaker 3: two million dollars to the lawyers and four hundred and
- 2:04Speaker 3: seventy nine plaintiffs upwards of ten thousand dollars apiece over
- 2:09Speaker 3: because they were they were rioting and disobeying curfew orders
- 2:13Speaker 3: and disobeying police on the streets of Cincinnati in the
- 2:17Speaker 3: summer of the spring of twenty twenty. Would you go
- 2:23Speaker 3: along with and and fix your signature to such an ordinance?
- 2:28Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you asked that question.
- 2:31Speaker 2: First of all.
- 2:32Speaker 1: To answer your questions is simply, there's no way in
- 2:35Speaker 1: hell I would ever sign that agreement, nor should anyone
- 2:39Speaker 1: that has taken the oath to protect public sign that oath? Okay,
- 2:44Speaker 1: But secondly I have I spoke to a police officer
- 2:48Speaker 1: yesterday and I posted about this on Facebook, and I
- 2:51Speaker 1: didn't know that I would be speaking to a Cincinnati
- 2:53Speaker 1: police officer yesterday. And I said, let me ask you
- 2:56Speaker 1: a question, because this officer was in the meeting where
- 2:59Speaker 1: the settlement was announced and he got to ask some
- 3:02Speaker 1: questions about it.
- 3:03Speaker 2: How about that and how about.
- 3:06Speaker 1: That breaking news? And so I said, how does it
- 3:10Speaker 1: make you feel as a police officer that city The
- 3:14Speaker 1: city passes an ordinance, asks you to enforce it, and
- 3:18Speaker 1: literally every encounter that you have with the public of
- 3:22Speaker 1: this nature is risks your life because you never know
- 3:24Speaker 1: how anything's going to go. I mean a traffic stop
- 3:27Speaker 1: an officer risks their lives because you don't know how
- 3:30Speaker 1: it's going to go. And I said, how does it
- 3:33Speaker 1: make you feel? He said, it's not only is it infuriating.
- 3:40Speaker 1: On one hand, you just you're just consumed with how
- 3:44Speaker 1: can this happen? Because the very people that we were
- 3:47Speaker 1: asked to keep the city safe from burning. If you
- 3:50Speaker 1: remember the Summer of Love of twenty twenty protests, you
- 3:57Speaker 1: remember seeing a reporter standing in front of a burn
- 4:00Speaker 1: building going up like an inferno, and he's telling you
- 4:04Speaker 1: don't pay attention to the flames behind leim A lot
- 4:07Speaker 1: of these people are peaceful. Okay, great, that's fantastic. A
- 4:10Speaker 1: lot of them aren't mostly peaceful yet yet are our
- 4:15Speaker 1: men and women in law enforcement put their lives on
- 4:19Speaker 1: the line to protect businesses, protect residents, residences, to protect
- 4:24Speaker 1: the residence of Cincinnati from the same absolute carnage we
- 4:28Speaker 1: saw in other cities. And what did they get for it?
- 4:31Speaker 1: They got kicked in the teeth. And you know what
- 4:32Speaker 1: he said to me, He said, let me tell you
- 4:35Speaker 1: what that does to me. First of all, I'm marking
- 4:37Speaker 1: the clock when I'm when my time is up, I'm
- 4:39Speaker 1: out of here, says, I Am out of here. I'm
- 4:42Speaker 1: not working for this any longer. But he's not going
- 4:44Speaker 1: to walk away from his pension right now. That would
- 4:46Speaker 1: be you know, that'd be foolish on his part. Secondly,
- 4:50Speaker 1: because human they you know, human, we have to keep
- 4:52Speaker 1: our families. You know, it's do it right by our families. First. Secondly,
- 4:55Speaker 1: he said, and the next time that they ask us
- 4:59Speaker 1: to do something like this, that there's you know, widespread
- 5:05Speaker 1: civil unrest and they call the police to come out
- 5:08Speaker 1: and quell it. He said, we're not going to do it.
- 5:10Speaker 1: I mean, we'll show up. We're not arresting anybody.
- 5:14Speaker 2: What's the point, what's the point?
- 5:16Speaker 1: What is the point?
- 5:17Speaker 3: Well, I suggested, I suggested earlier this morning that they
- 5:21Speaker 3: just armed police officer with giant sacks of cash and
- 5:25Speaker 3: pass out money, you know, maybe four or five hundred
- 5:28Speaker 3: bucks per protester and say you would you please go
- 5:31Speaker 3: on come back tomorrow night. We'll have another four or
- 5:33Speaker 3: five hundred bucks for you, and just go on. Cut
- 5:35Speaker 3: out the middleman, and just.
- 5:37Speaker 1: The middle which is this is the attorney. So you
- 5:40Speaker 1: saved the attorney.
- 5:40Speaker 3: Fees, justice first money directly to individuals who want to,
- 5:44Speaker 3: you know, disobey curfews and police orders and all the
- 5:48Speaker 3: rest of it.
- 5:49Speaker 1: Just now what he told me. What he told me
- 5:51Speaker 1: also was this was the result of the law department
- 5:56Speaker 1: charging these people under a incorrect either statute or whatever.
- 6:02Speaker 1: And I don't speak legally. That's above my pay grade.
- 6:04Speaker 1: I'm not you know me, Well, Dan, I'm not the smartest,
- 6:07Speaker 1: you know, person in the room. Uh, And I like
- 6:10Speaker 1: to people know that I'm not the smartest, but let
- 6:12Speaker 1: me say this. I'll fool you, right, I want you
- 6:15Speaker 1: to underestimate me, which is great, but I will tell
- 6:18Speaker 1: you this, if that's true, I want you to understand
- 6:21Speaker 1: the logic here. So the law department and with the city,
- 6:25Speaker 1: passes an ordinance and this and the police enforce the ordinance,
- 6:29Speaker 1: and then the law department makes mistake and charges these
- 6:32Speaker 1: these people that were arrested under either the wrong statute
- 6:36Speaker 1: or something of legalese nature. And I'm not sure what
- 6:39Speaker 1: the he mentioned is something called M one versus M four.
- 6:42Speaker 1: I don't know what that means because I'm not usually
- 6:44Speaker 1: down at the Justice center, and forgive me, I'm not.
- 6:47Speaker 1: I just don't hang out there, nor am I called
- 6:50Speaker 1: down there. But I will tell you this, if that's true,
- 6:55Speaker 1: complete the circle. So the law all this stems apparently
- 6:59Speaker 1: from the law departments ineptness and incompetence. So they made
- 7:03Speaker 1: the mistake, and now the city is going to turn around.
- 7:05Speaker 1: They're going to reward the very people that were causing
- 7:09Speaker 1: the crime because of a law department's mistake. And you know,
- 7:13Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit brought about, and you know, I'm
- 7:18Speaker 1: I don't understand. Given everything we just had, what was
- 7:21Speaker 1: it two nights ago. I thought that crime was supposed
- 7:24Speaker 1: to slow down in the city. From what I've heard,
- 7:26Speaker 1: there were more shootings, there was a couple of street takeovers,
- 7:29Speaker 1: and it was cold outside, which I thought that wasn't
- 7:32Speaker 1: supposed to happen. But we have a problem in the
- 7:34Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati, and all something like this does, in
- 7:37Speaker 1: my very humble opinion, is it exacerbates the situation because
- 7:41Speaker 1: the criminals, I mean, imagine being a criminal. You're laughing,
- 7:44Speaker 1: you are laughing. What are they going to do?
- 7:45Speaker 2: Arrest us or pay us?
- 7:47Speaker 3: How does any reasonable person reach any other conclusion than
- 7:53Speaker 3: we are inviting more of this in the future. You know,
- 7:57Speaker 3: the Inquirer has done a deep dive on this, and
- 8:00Speaker 3: they assure us in the settlement that if you were
- 8:04Speaker 3: a person charged with any accompanying felony or offense of
- 8:09Speaker 3: violence or property damage, then you're not part of this settlement.
- 8:13Speaker 3: Do you believe that for one second that individuals who
- 8:16Speaker 3: were observed by police engaging in property violence or damage,
- 8:21Speaker 3: or knocking planners over, breaking windows, engaging in maybe some theft,
- 8:27Speaker 3: Do you believe for one minute that those people aren't
- 8:29Speaker 3: going to get part of this payoff?
- 8:31Speaker 2: No, do you absolutely not.
- 8:35Speaker 3: It may say that in the settlement, but these all
- 8:38Speaker 3: these cases were dismissed. So it has the city gone in,
- 8:42Speaker 3: has the city law department gone in and examined individual
- 8:46Speaker 3: by individual and case by case to make sure that
- 8:50Speaker 3: anyone who engaged in any violent activity is not going
- 8:54Speaker 3: to be part of this settlement. What assurances do we
- 8:58Speaker 3: have that that's taken place?
- 9:01Speaker 1: None? None? They you know, I the very same. Listen,
- 9:08Speaker 1: this is this is ultimately what the voters have voted for.
- 9:12Speaker 1: I mean, let's be sure the voters, the voter who
- 9:15Speaker 1: don't care. The voters don't.
- 9:16Speaker 2: Care, what's eight million care? I don't. I'm like you.
- 9:21Speaker 2: I don't live in the city. I don't.
- 9:22Speaker 3: I don't vote a bit, But I don't want to
- 9:25Speaker 3: see things like this happened. I don't want I don't
- 9:28Speaker 3: want the city of Cincinnati to be on national Look,
- 9:31Speaker 3: we were on national television plenty when we had the
- 9:34Speaker 3: beatdown that took place in the streets of Cincinnati.
- 9:37Speaker 2: You know what we did. You know when we didn't.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Make national television is when the George Soros sponsored UH
- 9:44Speaker 3: agitators came to our city and and our police force,
- 9:48Speaker 3: our law enforcement, the Hamilton County Sheriffs and the Cincinnati
- 9:51Speaker 3: police shut them down.
- 9:53Speaker 2: The mayor.
- 9:53Speaker 3: The mayor took this the proper steps, issued the uh,
- 9:57Speaker 3: the the the ordinance to have the curfew, and we
- 10:02Speaker 3: shut it down. And guess what we weren't on national
- 10:04Speaker 3: TV then, why? Because we didn't have buildings that were burning,
- 10:08Speaker 3: we didn't have police cars that were overturned, we didn't have,
- 10:12Speaker 3: you know, the complete street takeovers like they had in
- 10:15Speaker 3: other cities.
- 10:17Speaker 2: No question.
- 10:18Speaker 1: And you know, you just sit there, Imagine that you
- 10:21Speaker 1: owned a business downtown and I'm thinking of all the
- 10:24Speaker 1: small business owners that are getting up this morning driving
- 10:27Speaker 1: to work downtown or somewhere within the city limits. Okay,
- 10:29Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be downtown. The city encompasses a
- 10:32Speaker 1: lot of neighborhoods. And you sit there and you're struggling,
- 10:36Speaker 1: and you're working, and your business is you know, owning
- 10:39Speaker 1: a small business, which is the backbone of America, is
- 10:41Speaker 1: a tough thing. And you sit there and see, you know,
- 10:45Speaker 1: not only do you have to keep your business running
- 10:46Speaker 1: your customers safe, but you know, you you see every
- 10:50Speaker 1: day your neighborhood and you see what's going on in
- 10:53Speaker 1: the neighborhood that you're doing business, and here the city
- 10:55Speaker 1: comes along and the great people that are that are
- 10:59Speaker 1: a drain on in your neighborhood by being soaking up
- 11:02Speaker 1: all the resources and or causing problems, whether it's you know,
- 11:06Speaker 1: petty crime or major crime, whatever the case might be.
- 11:10Speaker 1: You see these people getting rewarded where and and and
- 11:13Speaker 1: yet you get up every day, go to work, pay
- 11:15Speaker 1: your taxes. Where's your where's your olive branch from the
- 11:20Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. I mean, where's that? Where's your thank
- 11:23Speaker 1: you for thank you? Without you, small business owner, we
- 11:28Speaker 1: wouldn't have places for the people in this neighborhood to work,
- 11:30Speaker 1: because like it or not, not everybody works in a
- 11:33Speaker 1: in a huge building downtown. Most of it is still
- 11:36Speaker 1: still to a large degree, most of Americans are employed
- 11:40Speaker 1: by small business in this country. And this is a
- 11:43Speaker 1: not only a kick in the teeth to the taxpayers,
- 11:47Speaker 1: the law abiding taxpayers in Cincinnati. Whether you live in
- 11:51Speaker 1: Cincinnati or just outside Cincinnati, you are affected by what
- 11:55Speaker 1: happens in Cincinnati when and and and and you get
- 11:59Speaker 1: up every day and go to work, and they're just
- 12:00Speaker 1: they just you are taken for granted and what they
- 12:03Speaker 1: are doing is actually I believe, you know, paying the
- 12:08Speaker 1: inmates that are now running the asylum.
- 12:09Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Andrews, stay right there. We got to
- 12:11Speaker 3: get to a break, pay a couple of bills, and
- 12:14Speaker 3: we'll be right back with our buddy Andrew Pappas on
- 12:16Speaker 3: fifty five KRCV.
- 12:17Speaker 2: Talk station since two thousand and eight, center of Hopus
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- 12:29Speaker 3: Dan Carolyn for Brian Thomas, continuing our conversation with Andrew
- 12:33Speaker 3: Pappas and Papas The The Inquirer did a deep dive
- 12:38Speaker 3: into how the settlement breaks down, and here's here's my
- 12:41Speaker 3: favorite part. For those who were detained for a period
- 12:44Speaker 3: of more than five hours in association with their arrest,
- 12:48Speaker 3: they could be eligible up for for up to another
- 12:50Speaker 3: two thousand dollars. So I talked about this earlier this morning,
- 12:55Speaker 3: and and my math was an air. I said that
- 12:57Speaker 3: comes out to two hundred dollars an hour. I'm wrong
- 13:00Speaker 3: about that. That's four hundred dollars an hour. Four hundred
- 13:03Speaker 3: dollars an hour be a protested pays pretty good. The
- 13:07Speaker 3: eleven lead plaintiffs in the case receive an additional five
- 13:11Speaker 3: thousand dollars for their role Andrew and representing their fellow plaineiffs.
- 13:17Speaker 1: Isn't that it's outstanding. First of all, I don't blame
- 13:22Speaker 1: you because I've heard you utter many times the phrase.
- 13:25Speaker 2: Math is hard, Math is hardn forgiving. I do not
- 13:28Speaker 2: claim to be a genius at math.
- 13:31Speaker 1: But you know, you know it's funny because during the
- 13:33Speaker 1: break I heard something that I thought it was very
- 13:35Speaker 1: apropos and I'll let you look at up really quick
- 13:38Speaker 1: to see what it means. But the point of the
- 13:40Speaker 1: matter is is that I think counsel, I think counsel
- 13:44Speaker 1: and everyone affiliated with this decision should take a session
- 13:49Speaker 1: at the Lindener Center that advertises for mental health because
- 13:54Speaker 1: it's praisy.
- 13:55Speaker 2: Should avail themselves with those services.
- 13:57Speaker 1: Absolutely, they should have that. They should be listening to
- 13:59Speaker 1: fifty five r SEE and they should call the sponsors
- 14:02Speaker 1: that are advertisers on this program because anyone that would
- 14:06Speaker 1: anyone that would agree with this just I mean, I
- 14:10Speaker 1: just did. But does it surprise you? I mean, at
- 14:13Speaker 1: the end of the day, does it surprise you? We
- 14:16Speaker 1: have the City of Cincinnati continuing their contract with Iris
- 14:22Speaker 1: the virus, and we have we have the mayor then running,
- 14:26Speaker 1: you know, the mayor of Cincinnati who apparently understands the
- 14:30Speaker 1: phrase math is hard because he can't make his car
- 14:33Speaker 1: payment and all that. You know, especially especially, let's be fair,
- 14:40Speaker 1: especially in this age of instant communication and apps on
- 14:43Speaker 1: your phone and being able to see your banking records
- 14:46Speaker 1: at any time twenty four to seven, it's hard to
- 14:49Speaker 1: remember if you've paid your card wrong. It's very very difficult,
- 14:52Speaker 1: very hard. But you know, after all of this, what happens.
- 14:57Speaker 1: They get They get re elected eighty perc So you
- 15:00Speaker 1: know you're gonna you're going to go to the squeaky wheel.
- 15:04Speaker 1: You're going to go to the people that are causing
- 15:05Speaker 1: the problems, and you're gonna say, hey, what can I
- 15:07Speaker 1: do to make you just be cool for a little
- 15:09Speaker 1: while so I can get re elected. And that's who
- 15:12Speaker 1: your basis. Because the rest of the public is so
- 15:15Speaker 1: fractured and splintered it doesn't really matter. And they've got
- 15:19Speaker 1: their heads down going to work every day, living their lives,
- 15:22Speaker 1: paying their bills, paying their car payments. Excuse me, mister mayor.
- 15:26Speaker 1: And you know at the nothing there are no repercussions
- 15:29Speaker 1: for all these bad decisions. That's my point.
- 15:32Speaker 3: Well, you know, I thought Iris Rollie had carved out
- 15:35Speaker 3: a pretty good gig for her son when it was
- 15:38Speaker 3: learned that he was down there on Fountain Square passed
- 15:40Speaker 3: and not Fountain Square but Government Square, passing out some
- 15:43Speaker 3: informational flyers to the tune of about fifty eight dollars
- 15:46Speaker 3: an hour. I thought that was a pretty good gig.
- 15:49Speaker 3: But if I can begin, you know, if I can
- 15:52Speaker 3: be detained by Cincinnati police and hang around the Hamilton
- 15:55Speaker 3: County Justice Center or the Transit center underneath Fort Washington
- 16:00Speaker 3: Way to the tune of about four hundred bucks an hour,
- 16:03Speaker 3: I think I know which way I'm going to go.
- 16:05Speaker 1: I know some attorneys that don't make four hundred dollars.
- 16:08Speaker 2: Now that's a pretty good deal.
- 16:11Speaker 3: So uh, Kevin Aldrich, who is the opinion editor, we've
- 16:14Speaker 3: only got about a minute here at an engagement editor
- 16:18Speaker 3: at the Inquiry took the mayor to task for his story,
- 16:21Speaker 3: not really not really holding water when it comes to
- 16:24Speaker 3: this story, does does does aftab Purval need to come
- 16:27Speaker 3: correct on this? Does he need to just own, just
- 16:30Speaker 3: own whatever happened with the repossessions and say look here's
- 16:35Speaker 3: the deal and get this bead he cannot allow this
- 16:39Speaker 3: to drag on and keep and keep dogging him.
- 16:42Speaker 1: Here's what a tab Provro's gonna He's going to ignore this.
- 16:45Speaker 1: The press is going to get tired of it. No
- 16:47Speaker 1: one's going to remember it. It's just going to fade away,
- 16:49Speaker 1: and a tab Purval will be propped up by the
- 16:52Speaker 1: Democrats as the next uh you know, promised child of
- 16:55Speaker 1: the Democrat party because he's a you know, he's he's
- 16:58Speaker 1: he's a nice looking, clean cut young man that they
- 17:02Speaker 1: will run for the next higher office. He's never, in
- 17:05Speaker 1: my opinion, he's never really had a he's never really
- 17:07Speaker 1: had an interest in serving in any office other than
- 17:10Speaker 1: the next office he was going to. So look, I'm
- 17:13Speaker 1: just telling you what's gonna happen. They're gonna do nothing.
- 17:16Speaker 1: And let's be fair good that one reporter at the
- 17:19Speaker 1: inquiry chose to do a quote unquote deep dive and say,
- 17:21Speaker 1: we wait, we have read the document here that says
- 17:24Speaker 1: that's not true. You know, because the news media couldn't
- 17:27Speaker 1: seem to hold him to task while he was sitting
- 17:30Speaker 1: in front of the camera. They just said, oh, okay,
- 17:33Speaker 1: that's a great excuse. You know, your auto pay got
- 17:37Speaker 1: messed up for not one month, not two months, not
- 17:39Speaker 1: three months, plus all the emails you must have had it,
- 17:41Speaker 1: plus the text messages, plus the phone calls you didn't
- 17:44Speaker 1: even notice that hasn't had.
- 17:46Speaker 2: A car repossessed. I mean, come on, it happens.
- 17:49Speaker 1: I think it's about I think it's in today's were
- 17:51Speaker 1: all the politics. I think some sort of crime, whether
- 17:54Speaker 1: it's embezzling billions of dollars in Minnesota or missing a
- 17:58Speaker 1: few car payments, I mean that gives you street cred
- 18:00Speaker 1: and that makes you you know. Now, the base is like,
- 18:03Speaker 1: you know what, he understands what I'm going through. So
- 18:05Speaker 1: I'm going to support that man rather than saying, this
- 18:07Speaker 1: is the guy that's involved. This is the guy that's
- 18:09Speaker 1: handling our public trust and our public money, our public treasure,
- 18:14Speaker 1: and he can't freaking make a car payment or know
- 18:16Speaker 1: what's in his bank account. I'm sorry, no disrespect, listen.
- 18:20Speaker 1: I'm empathetic as the next person, but public officials should
- 18:23Speaker 1: be held to a higher standard.
- 18:25Speaker 2: All right, Well with that, Andrew, will let you go.
- 18:29Speaker 1: Dan Carroll, I'm on a contact, Yes, sir, the government
- 18:33Speaker 1: is called and they want to make a anybody out
- 18:36Speaker 1: of my blood because I've conquered the man called you're here.
- 18:40Speaker 2: You're a real humanitarian, doing it for.
- 18:43Speaker 1: The doing it for the people, Dan Carroll, the people
- 18:47Speaker 1: have a
- 18:47Speaker 2: Great day on Facebook, man, all right, see you