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Master The Upper Rooms with Kerie Logan · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

• Lyndsay Soprano (00:02.656) What is being trauma informed? I can tell you right now that I am trauma informed and so is my guest today. I'm going to read a definition of it, which I don't tend to do a lot of reading here on this show, but I will right now. So trauma informed is an approach that recognizes the widespread impact of trauma and understands potential paths for recovery. It emphasizes physical, psychological, and emotional safety for both providers and those receiving services. promoting a sense of control. I don't know anything about that. And empowerment. This approach shifts the focus from what's wrong with you to what happened to you and then to what's strong with you, which is interesting. And I've never heard that second, that third part of it. It's always been what's wrong with you versus what happened to you. I love this, what's strong with you. That made me like, oh man, I'm just like got the chills even thinking about it. I read this definition because it's incredibly important for today's conversation, as well as every other conversation that we've had on this show, as well as the conversations that we will be having on this show, because it is incredibly important to our care, our life, our self-worth, our relationships. All of these things can be weaved into trauma-informed approach to care, can be weaved into everything in our life. So we're gonna dive deeper into what that means and how it can be used in all of our relationships, including our doctors, our caregivers, practitioners, loved ones. I have fired more doctors and practitioners by not having a trauma-informed approach to care than I would like to mention, but I want what I want. So today we're gonna chat with my gorgeous guest about hypnotherapy and human consciousness. A little bit about quantum healing if we get there, being trauma-informed, of course. lives between lives and past life regression, what that actually means, shame spiraling and so much, more. So without further ado, I would like to introduce to you my beautiful guest, Carrie Logan. Hello, my darling. Kerie Logan (02:10.248) Hello dear, you are such a delight. Lyndsay Soprano (02:13.527) my God, delight. I'm not sure if everybody's ever used the word delight when they think of me. Kerie Logan (02:18.834) You're a breath of fresh air because you're bold and you're honest and you're raw and you're real and you're truthful. I love connecting with people like that. I hate it when it's so fake and someone's pretending they're wearing a mask. It's like, no, let's just be our authentic self and have a real conversation. Lyndsay Soprano (02:33.336) Contrived. Yeah. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (02:41.804) Right, it's not, mean, I'm fairly, I'm structured a little bit here on this show, but I also just like to have organic conversations with everybody that's here because all of the questions that are sent in, like, these are the questions I can ask, I'm like, so everybody's asked you the same questions. That means the same conversation, so that's not what happens here. Can I introduce you, though? All right, Ms. Carrie, she is a human consciousness guide, which we're gonna get into, clinical hypnotherapist. Kerie Logan (02:48.327) Yes. Kerie Logan (03:01.478) I hope so. Lyndsay Soprano (03:09.854) and empowerment strategist with over two decades of experience helping people around the world create lives they love, voted again. Today we just found out she has voted best hypnotherapist in her region now for 15 consecutive years. She's trained in a wide range of healing modalities from trauma-informed therapy, NLP, to quantum healing hypnosis, shadow work, and the lot from there. Carrie is also an author, blogger, podcaster, because she's got so much time on her hands, who brings deep insight, spiritual wisdom, and a grounded approach to mental and emotional wellness. I don't know anything about either of those things, mental or emotional wellness, but let's do it. Her work is rooted in self-discovery, resilience, and the belief that even in a shifting world, personal transformation is always possible, and I 100 % agree with that sentiment. So I am rolling out the red carpet for you, babe. I would. actually like to start our conversation today about what got you into hypnotherapy and the human consciousness. What led you here? What charges you up about it? And then let's take it from there. Kerie Logan (04:13.8) Okay, great way to start. And actually I did create a YouTube video because so many people were fascinated about this story. I got tired of sometimes talking about it to a bunch of clients. So it is on the YouTube channel Empowered Within, you know, how I became a hypnotherapist, but I will share it here. So like most people, I did what I thought I needed to do to put food on the table, pay the bills. Lyndsay Soprano (04:35.598) Stay still. Kerie Logan (04:43.27) yada, yada, yada. And I was in sales and marketing and I was very good at it. Very, very good. And when 9-11 happened in the economy tanked up here in Oregon, I couldn't find a job. I was running out of my second round of unemployment benefits and I was a single mom and I was about to become homeless, literally become homeless. And I went to see a spiritual friend of mine who gave me a reading. And she said, Carrie, everything you've done here is complete. Your purpose, your calling in life, the perfect job for you is waiting in California. And it's just there for you. And I looked at her like, I can't do that. You know, I don't get child support. I can't move there. She's like, no, this job will be handed to you. It's your purpose. You're calling in life. And so like most people, I was stuck in fear. That was a huge leap. a huge leap for me to take. And when I was about to be evicted, you know, from my place, I decided to take her advice because I was not going to sleep in my car. was, the state was going to help put my stuff in storage, but that was about it. So I called her family friend. Yeah, it was devastating. Called a family friend in the Sacramento area and I told her my situation. said, can I stay there and look for a job? Lyndsay Soprano (06:00.224) Thanks. Wow, no kidding. Kerie Logan (06:12.742) And she said, yes. So I put all my stuff in storage. The state paid for that and moved down there. A week later, I get a call about my resume online and the gentleman says, can you meet me at the center that I'm opening up? A new one. And he didn't say anything about it. All the advertisement wanted was someone that did have sales and marketing experience, but wanted to make the world a better place. And that's where I was at. I wanted to make the world a better place. And so I show up and it was a positive changes hypnosis clinic. They had about, I think 60, 65 centers across the U S some there was actually some still I think in Canada. And I walked in and I was like, my God, I know about hypnosis. I know about meditation, creative visualization. I grew up with that. And he shows me a tour of this new center being built. And when he sits with me in the conference room, I take out my portfolio, I had a binder that was like three inches thick of everything I've done. And I said, hey, do you wanna see my portfolio? And he's like, no, you already got the job. I knew I was gonna hire you the minute I read your resume. It's yours. He's like, let's talk about salary, vacation, that stuff. was like, no, the job is yours. So she was correct there, it was handed to me. And so the owner, Lyndsay Soprano (07:26.872) Shut up! my god. Kerie Logan (07:39.512) wanted, know, once he got to meet me, the owner said, I want you to get trained in hypnotherapy. I think you would be great at this. And so I got all free training. I got training in weight loss, stop smoking pain, hypnobirthing, cancer, personal change, all that stuff. And I got trained in NLP, which is neuro linguistic programming. And in 2004, I got the award from them as being the best coach of the year, which was great. But now here's the kicker. I became, the company was started by two brothers, Michael and Patrick Porter. And Michael was my district manager and we became best buds. And he said, I have met hundreds of hypnotherapists, but I've never met anyone like you. And as soon as he knew about my intuitive, Spiritual side, he said, that was the cherry on top. You should have your own business. You should be self-employed. He's like, you're too good for this place. And he actually gifted me $500 worth of free software, web development software, to start an online business, which was very nice. So the day before Thanksgiving, I got in a disagreement with one of the owner's sisters. And I go to my manager and I say, hey, I think she's trying to get me fired. And she says to me, actually she is and here's your final check. I looked at her and I'm like, what? You just gave me an award this year. I'm the best one here. I got three months of clients booked with you guys. Yeah, and exactly. And she says, but she's family and you're not, you have to go. Lyndsay Soprano (09:19.352) Because that's not where you're supposed to be, baby. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (09:29.326) love. Kerie Logan (09:29.712) And so I went home and I prayed and I was like, God, if this is my calling, what I am meant to do, my purpose, give me a sign that's so clear I can't mistake it, because I know this is my gift. This is my calling. I love what I do. And so I got inspired, just like you call a calling, to call that woman up and I left her a voicemail and I thanked her for firing me. And I forgave her and I said, I'm gonna look back at this as a blessing in disguise. So thank you. So the very next day, a client that became a friend and is still one of my very good friends came over for Thanksgiving and she said, I don't understand why they did this, but I've been sitting on this nest egg and I wanna give this to you. No strings attached. You really should be doing this. And I opened the Thanksgiving card and inside of it was a check for $10,000. And she looked at me and said, start your own business. And when I talked to Michael Porter about what happened, he said, well, Carrie, the universe had to kick you in the butt because you were so dedicated. You wouldn't have left on your own. Lyndsay Soprano (10:41.327) Yeah, were stuck in that place that was such a positive experience for you though. Yeah. Kerie Logan (10:46.662) Yes, yes. And it was amazing. And I built my practice and I got to a place to where in 2012, I woke up one day and was told, know, by spirit, higher conscious, whatever you want to call it, our creator, you're going to write this book. And here's the table of contents and go sit in front of your computer and start typing. And so that book is affirming and focusing on living a better life. And I channeled that whole book. And when I got to chapter two, learning the power of our emotions, that's when I learned about human consciousness. And it was so fascinating and amazing that I was guided to go online and see, because I was told, no, there's science that backs this. look it up. And it was correct. Actually, Dr. I think was, what was his name? He wrote the book Power Versus Force. I think it's David Hawkins. He wrote the book about map of human consciousness, and he broke it all down, and it lined up 100 % with what I channeled. And I was like, this is amazing, but here's the difference. He didn't break it down into what is 3D, what is 4D, or what is 5D. And when I tried to get a hold of him, I discovered that same year he died. And so a lot of people wondered, was I channeling him because it was his unfinished, incomplete work? And like here's for the people that can see. This is like an image of what is 3D human consciousness. And these images are free on the website, mastertheupperrooms.com. You just go to free stuff, free images, and there's even free eBooks, free audio stuff that I've done. But what I was told to do by source is, Kerie Logan (12:56.998) When I worked with anyone, coached anyone, have them align to the frequency of love, which vibrates at 500. And that is the first step of 5D human consciousness. And the people that I worked with, their lives transformed like you would not believe. There's one woman that's actually on the Gaia channel that has worked with royalty and is all over. I coached her and she wanted to attract an investor. And she did. It actually happened. And the investor gave her nine point eight million dollars in 18 months. Lyndsay Soprano (13:34.766) Holy moly, that's crazy. okay, so before we, because we've gotten the intro of you and all the how you got into this. I wanna talk a little bit, because you're talking just like jumped right in to the, which is fine, the 3D and 4D and the human consciousness and mastering the upper rooms technique and all of that. let's back up just a little bit. when it comes, can we explain what this is, right? Kerie Logan (13:37.468) Yeah. Kerie Logan (14:01.628) Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (14:01.826) So we've got, so the difference between when we're talking about hypnotherapy and self-healing and being an intuitive, I know that a lot of people, there are a lot of people that are like, well, this is woo-woo, I'm turning this off immediately. I am a huge woo-woo person and I can tell you why, because nothing else has helped me outside of woo-woo stuff. I mean, honest to God, no medications, no tests, no, nothing has. Kerie Logan (14:15.794) I know. Lyndsay Soprano (14:29.932) until I actually do work on myself in different levels of my human consciousness, which is basically what I would like to talk to you a little bit about. Why does this even work? What is this process? How do you do this? And then we get these big, like amazing results from it. Let's educate us a little bit about what this is, because you know what it is, but we don't know what the hell you're talking about, woman. Thank you. Kerie Logan (14:36.593) Yes. Kerie Logan (14:51.066) Yes. Yes. So let me educate you in two ways that everyone will grasp this concept. When someone gets angry, what do we all tell them to do? Calm down, get grounded, get balanced, because we all know if you make a choice, a decision, Lyndsay Soprano (15:07.374) Mm-hmm. Kerie Logan (15:16.648) that lower level frequency of anger which vibrates at 150, you're going to sabotage yourself. You will, 100%. And when you get ground... Lyndsay Soprano (15:23.288) Yes. My response would have been different actually than what you said. Calm down, ground yourself. Mine is fuck off right now. Kerie Logan (15:30.492) Yes. Yes, it is. then here, but here's the thing. Lyndsay Soprano (15:35.096) But exactly, it vibrates at this really bad level. Kerie Logan (15:39.718) That F-U anger can actually be a positive because it raises you up to find a positive solution. Lyndsay Soprano (15:48.824) Okay. Kerie Logan (15:50.216) It really does. tell people anger isn't always bad. It's a motivator. So it can motivate you to do something that maybe you were procrastinating that you didn't want to do. And it takes courage. That's the first step of 40 human consciousness is the frequency of 200. You jump up to courage. You find solutions, you solve problems. And right above that 250 is where you are grounded, balanced and centered. You have Lyndsay Soprano (16:01.731) Yeah. Kerie Logan (16:19.346) confidence, you know you can do this, you're solution oriented. You're trying to find something that's going to be constructive instead of destructive. Because if you make that choice out of anger, you're just so pissed and impatient, you're going to blow it. The other example is when we all, since you said the F word, when we all fuck up, what do we say? Lyndsay Soprano (16:38.594) Yeah, for sure. Lyndsay Soprano (16:44.334) It's my favorite word! Kerie Logan (16:49.158) What do we say to someone that we know we fucked up? We say, please forgive me. I am sorry. I made a mistake. You know, I screwed up. Please forgive me. That is 40 human consciousness. That is forgiveness. And if that person cannot forgive you, then they are stuck in the black and white rigid ways of thinking of 3D. And it breaks your heart when they don't forgive you. It does. Lyndsay Soprano (16:54.51) Yeah, sorry. Kerie Logan (17:17.552) And that's what I call emotional maturity. You can find forgiveness. You can find reasoning and understanding. And you can accept the truth that we're all perfectly imperfect. Everybody makes mistakes. I don't call them mistakes. They're errors in judgment. That's how we learn. You know, when we were a little kid and we fell down, our parents didn't yell at us and say, you're stupid, get back up. No, they were like, you fell down. Let me help you back up. They showed you compassion and warmth and tenderness. And so that's the real big thing is all the destructive emotions, behavior patterns and mindsets of shame, guilt, depression, grief, regret, sadness, fear, know. jealousy, competition, cheating, anger, know, vanity, self-righteousness, scorekeeper, deflecting the truth, judgment, control freaks, two-faced gossip, that's all 3D human consciousness. Lyndsay Soprano (18:22.163) You just listed like almost all the things about me here. I'm kidding. Kerie Logan (18:26.146) And 4D is courage, respect, confidence, liberation, satisfaction. You're adaptable, you're optimistic, you're upbeat, you're forgiving, you're emotional calm, you're level-headed, you're reasonable person, you're caring. That's 4D. And then when you get up to 5D, you know, that's, you're loving, you're playful, you're kind, you're cheering, you're nurturing, you're supportive. It's like when you first met me, you said, I feel safe with you. Lyndsay Soprano (18:59.446) I did. I absolutely feel safe with you and I do right now. And safety is a huge issue for me. Just name the areas that I feel unsafe in and safe in them. Kerie Logan (19:09.32) Well, that's the thing about healthcare that you were talking about. You have to have a healthcare provider that is there because they care. You're not just a number, you're a person. Yes, you're not, and we need that. And that's the hard thing, you know, because it is called health hyphen care. If you don't care, you should not be in the healthcare industry. Lyndsay Soprano (19:19.192) Yep. I'm not a chart. Yep. Lyndsay Soprano (19:35.64) Yeah, like why did you get into this in the first place? Like honestly, that's the question that I now ask because quite frankly, I'm their client. I'm interviewing them. Like this is an interview. I'm asking you what you can do to make my life better. And this is any practitioner, whether it be in the woo woo space or whether it be in the Western medicine space, whatever it may be, you have to have that courage to say, you know what, I'm here today to interview you. Kerie Logan (19:47.143) Yeah, you are! Lyndsay Soprano (20:05.314) to see if you might be a good match for me. Not the opposite. Because they'll say yes to everybody. Give me a break. We gotta pay for that $500 bandaid somehow. You know what I mean? But so with all of these different layers, the 3D, have like immediately, I have pictured X, Y, and Z people in my world. In the 4D world, I pretty much have nailed everybody there. 5D, I don't feel like I have anybody in my world outside of you. Kerie Logan (20:10.162) Correct. Kerie Logan (20:15.345) Right. Lyndsay Soprano (20:34.2) that might be in the 5D space and I don't know. So when you're working with people, when you're working with your clients and they're coming to you and they're trusting you with their subconscious mind, they're trusting you to put you into spaces to have conversations that they may not even know what they're gonna be saying to you. That's a scary kind of a feeling, right? Where I'm gonna lay down and she's gonna do what to me? She's gonna snap her feelings. We have such cliche high school grad night. versions of what hypnosis is where you can make the football players dance like ballerinas on stage. That's the experience that most of us have had with hypnotherapy and human consciousness work. So can you talk a little bit about how that works and why it actually works? Because I think the why behind it is so fascinating. Kerie Logan (21:18.652) The why behind it is very fascinating and the easiest way for me to describe it is a smoker. A smoker consciously knows they should not be smoking. Okay, they know that. So think about it is they have a green light consciously to quit smoking, but in their subconscious mind, it's red. They have programmed it like your cell phone, like a computer to do exactly what you taught it. Smoking is just a habit. Okay, it is a habit period. And so when you slow down your brain wave patterns, and that's through relaxation, whether it is meditation, guided imagery, visualization, even when you go to sleep at night, you're slowing down your brain wave patterns. You then open up the doorway to your subconscious mind. And when that door is open and I say, there's always something better to do than smoke, the smoker is in their mind, nodding their head going, yes, there is. Lyndsay Soprano (22:17.784) Nah, no kidding. Yeah. Kerie Logan (22:18.17) I and then the subconscious mind can hear and it goes, that's what you want me to do. Okay. I'll change the operating system for you. And so I tell people, I always record the process because I don't want a bandaid. I want you to have permanent results. And so it does take 30 days for a new habit behavior way of thinking to happen. Cause I tell people you've been smoking for how many years? Lyndsay Soprano (22:46.179) bright. Kerie Logan (22:46.268) And I'm asking you just to dedicate 30 days to yourself. Just 30 days to relax and listen and to just let go. And everything I say is what you've already know yourself. It's everything positive. And it's amazing how it worked. I worked with one guy that smoked two packs a day was an ex Marine Sergeant that said, I have to do this or else it's gonna kill me. and I don't like anyone fucking with my head or being in my head. And he said, but I trust you. I've read all your reviews, what people have to say about me. And he's like, so I'm taking this chance on you. And literally in January of this year, it'd been five years, he text messaged me and said, I want to say thank you. It's five years now, woo. And I was like, yes. Lyndsay Soprano (23:19.256) Bye. Lyndsay Soprano (23:39.534) my God, I just got the chills. was like five years later, he just now stopped smoking. No, is five years. I love that. my God, that's so wonderful. Kerie Logan (23:43.388) Well, no, he would text me every year. actually, yeah, we became friends. That's the funny thing. I do become friends with a lot of my clients because they're just like, my God, you know, this person changed my life. Lyndsay Soprano (23:55.608) Well, you're somebody that's easy to chit chat with and like, again, safe. Like, I feel like I can tell you anything, which is what's scary about when you think about somebody coming in and like tapping into your noodle, right? It's like, but I like that you spoke about it in a way where it's already information you already know. You already have this information. All you're doing is kind of like, open up the door, throwing some wind through those curtains and yeah, then come with me over here. It's okay. Kerie Logan (24:13.702) Yes. Kerie Logan (24:21.031) Yeah! Lyndsay Soprano (24:25.154) It's gonna be okay over here. Kerie Logan (24:25.608) Well, and that's the thing is you need someone that is that safe space because there has to be a lot of trust. And some people have said to me, like, you know, what is better? Is it better to have a male hypnotist or a female? And I tell people just because of the trauma that I've experienced, there's no way I would have a male hypnotherapist. I would only feel more safe and comfortable with a woman and that's me. And there's sometimes where men Lyndsay Soprano (24:32.462) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (24:53.198) Sure. Kerie Logan (24:55.27) you know, have something that's really deep and personal. And I tell them, well, maybe I'm not the right fit. Maybe a man would be better for you because this is a delicate subject and it's very, very personal. Lyndsay Soprano (25:08.876) Yeah. One of the things that I'm curious about, and I don't think that this is gonna be you in any way, shape, or form, but I'm just curious as a whole, like for me, I'm thinking of being hypnotized and being judged, for example. Like being judged on past decision making or being judged on this, because I was raised in a shame spiraling environment. being in a really right-wing Christian home. And so I've kind of, I'm all screwed up in the noodle from the Jesus stuff that happened to me as a kid. And that's a whole other long story. But I've always felt this shame and judgment and always, always, always, always I've carried that forever. I did not know that that's what I was doing until I started this show and people like yourself were like, yeah, yeah, that's what's been going on. So doesn't make me feel as bad, but for people that are feeling like, my gosh, I'm gonna, I don't know what I'm gonna say. Like, is she gonna judge me? How do you answer a question like that? Because that's tough. Kerie Logan (26:11.172) If you read pretty much my testimonial page on empoweredwithin.com, everyone pretty much says she is so non-judgmental. She has a gift. She's like from God, you know, like she's an angel, whatever. They say this because it's not my place to judge anybody, period. I am here to be of service. And that's what it is. And I... worked very, very hard to clear my vessel of all the trauma and all the junk so I can be that safe, loving, nurturing space for people to where you could tell me your most deepest, darkest secrets. And actually I've gotten to the place where I'm so good. There was one woman, so good, so good that. Lyndsay Soprano (26:57.39) I'm so good. I love you. I'm so good. Kerie Logan (27:02.694) People have said to me, I expected to have a coffee conversation with you and in 10 minutes you took me to the deep end of the ocean. How do you do that? And it's because of that unconditional love I have for humanity. I'm here to heal. I'm here to uplift people. I'm here to have people not stay stuck in 3D of the suffering and the shame and the doubt. I want you to be the best version of you. Lyndsay Soprano (27:10.444) Wow. Kerie Logan (27:31.888) And so I've worked with one woman and in two minutes I looked at her and I said, ooh, you're temporarily narcissistic. And I said it with a smile and she's like, you're right. I have this huge F you wall. I send it out everywhere telling everyone like, fuck off, leave me alone. And I said, no, I can see it. I can feel it. And I said, but you know what? That's okay. I get it. I get it. And we can fix this. And she laughed and we both laughed. And that's the cool thing is you can. Lyndsay Soprano (27:54.102) Yeah. love it. Kerie Logan (28:00.686) laugh at your crap, you can laugh at your stuff. Lyndsay Soprano (28:03.246) That's the only thing I can do right now, like honest to God. Like the shenanigans that I've pulled throughout my entire life have just been unbelievable. Have some of the decisions that I made contributed to my body's health today? 100%. Am I aware of those decisions? 100%. Am I thrilled with myself about them? Not so much, but I don't like wake up every morning and I'm like, my God, what a horrible human being I am, because I'm not a horrible human being. I just made some crappy decisions when I was in my 20s and my 30s. I don't know how many of us didn't. But for me, being raised the way I was, all I think about is stuff like that. Things that like, that wasn't really that big of a deal. But I was shamed into feeling like no matter what I did, even good or bad to a certain extent, if it didn't align with exactly what was in my parents' movie, the movie in their mind, it did certainly my mother's, not so much my dad's. It's like if I didn't align even to this moment, I'm still like just this judged human being and I don't get it and I need to shake it because it gets in the way of my productivity. It gets in the way of my self care. gets because I self sabotage in certain moments because I'm like, well, fuck that then I'll self sabotage. Kerie Logan (29:23.976) I got an intuitive hit for you and it's the rebellious side of you. 100%. And what you do is you can flip the script of the rebellion where you can say, I no longer need to do this. It served a purpose at one time, but now it's old and outdated. And I want to harness this strong, resilient, empowered part of me that rebelled so strong. Lyndsay Soprano (29:27.85) Of course, 100%. Absolutely. Lyndsay Soprano (29:39.341) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (29:44.632) so outdated. Kerie Logan (29:53.958) to heal my body, to transform my body, and to love me. And that's why I say when I teach the human consciousness, all the tools and gifts we need for others and ourself exist in the 4D and 5D states. We have to give ourself forgiveness, self-love, self-compassion. Lyndsay Soprano (29:56.386) Yes. Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (30:12.12) So... Lyndsay Soprano (30:16.547) Yes. Kerie Logan (30:17.146) We do not just to others because that's what people pleasers do. They give that to everybody, but not themselves. Lyndsay Soprano (30:23.896) Ding ding. I'm peoplepleasers.com. If you go there, there's a big picture of me. I've always been a people pleaser. Kerie Logan (30:30.44) And I should warn you, Lindsay, that my husband knows that I make people cry all the time. So it is okay. Lyndsay Soprano (30:36.01) I cry on almost every episode that I do on this show in some way, or form. This is a light mist that's happening here, so don't get too crazy with me, Kare. So how does this process work? You start working with a client, and do it with me. I sign up and I'm working with you. What do you do with me from day one? Kerie Logan (30:45.232) It is okay. Kerie Logan (31:01.938) So what I would want to find out from you from day one is, I would want to know about your pain is, what is it giving you in a positive way? Lyndsay Soprano (31:12.61) Yep, I've got an answer to that right here. Interesting. Kerie Logan (31:14.928) Yeah, I would really want to know because sometimes people, if it's giving them too much of a positive, they won't want to stop. And I remember one time this one woman, said, well, how would it be for you if you were paying free? What would that mean to you? Well, I'd have to go back to work. I'd have to get a job. And I'm like, well, what is more important to you not having a job and lying around and not having to be employed? Lyndsay Soprano (31:33.646) Hmm. Kerie Logan (31:42.798) or having optimum health and wellbeing and you feel good in your body? What speaks to you? And sometimes, this was a fascinating one, there was a gentleman that, this is when I worked at Positive Changes, I had a session with him on pain, and at the end of the session, he said, my pain moved from the right side of my body to the left. And I said, ooh, that's not physical pain, that's emotional pain. Lyndsay Soprano (32:10.708) absolutely, and emotion is just energy in motion, right? So, yeah, and I, that's so interesting. Somebody asked me on an episode of Guests of Mine, this is, think, season one, and it remains very true in my brain. It just popped out when you said it. And she asked me, well, what are you so afraid of, of not living in pain anymore? I don't know. I don't know. Kerie Logan (32:13.596) Yes. Kerie Logan (32:32.797) Yeah. Kerie Logan (32:37.138) Well, because it's, look at it this way, it's been your podcast, it's been your life, it's all the followers. And it's a huge part of your life. It's a beautiful part of your life. And the thing is, is you can overcome that and be that beacon of light that I don't need to be in pain anymore. And remember this book that we talked about? Good. Lyndsay Soprano (32:56.3) Yeah, well, mean, it would be I bought it, I bought it, it's on my coffee table right now. In fact, I was like, who asked me to read this? You. I haven't yet. It came in the mail though, I did buy it. I promise I'll text you a picture of it. Kerie Logan (33:07.687) Me. Kerie Logan (33:13.926) And you can see all my little flags because. Lyndsay Soprano (33:15.33) I know all of our flags, all of our notes. My books always look like I brought them into a war battleground with me when I find books like that, like The Body Keeps the Score. have like seven different copies of it because I've just demolished them. But that particular book, as I've continued to go on with this show, is The Body Keeps the Score made me kind of feel like it was that the score of the game was kind of over. Like my The Body has kept all of these scores. Kerie Logan (33:41.116) And that's eliminating belief. Lyndsay Soprano (33:43.058) Yes, it 100 % is. And as much as that book is wonderful, hindsight, I've been looking at it just recently and have kind of gone, huh, I was applying all of this like, well, my body kept it. So we have to figure out how to get rid of it now. So now that I've kept all these scores of all these games, of all the years, of all of the crazy crap that I've done and I've pulled, and then you add all of this into it. Things have happened to me, things that have happened that I've done and so on and so forth. So she's picking up something right now, so I don't know. Kerie Logan (34:14.984) Yeah, no, I am. It's connected to the shame, the self-righteous shame. 100%, yeah, I was like, ooh. And it's like... Lyndsay Soprano (34:19.342) Lyndsay Soprano (34:22.702) 100%. Yeah. Like I can't even go out to dinner with my mom and make eye contact right now, because I've just had it. Kerie Logan (34:30.288) Okay, yeah, and there's that, yes. And so she's that trigger point for you. And so what you have to, okay, so I have a tip for you. Okay. Lyndsay Soprano (34:35.31) 100%. And I love her, don't get me wrong, but this is just, I just have now realized that it actually wasn't my birth father that was my issue, it was my mom. I hope you're not listening to this episode, she doesn't listen anyway. Kerie Logan (34:45.212) Yeah. Okay, I'm going to teach you a technique and all your listeners here. Okay, I want to teach you this technique and all the listeners here. And it's going to sound woo woo, but trust me, this works. Lyndsay Soprano (34:55.084) Okay, let's do it. Don't care. Don't care. Kerie Logan (35:01.434) We are, we have this physical form and we also have a spirit, which is this life experience with all the consciousness and then we have our soul. What I want you to do is I want you to close your eyes and I want you to just connect to your mom's soul, to her higher self. And I want you to have a conversation with that higher self, because that higher self is not judgmental at all. It is completely neutral, does not take sides. And I want you to say, you know, that I am sorry I couldn't be the daughter you wanted me to be. Lyndsay Soprano (35:37.262) Now you're really gonna have me start crying. Kerie Logan (35:39.226) I know. And please forgive me. I love you because you created me in your womb and you have made me this strong, resilient, empowered woman. And I know your soul doesn't want me to suffer. I know you want me to heal because you love me, because you created me. And so I'm asking you to please forgive me. because I'm forgiving myself. And I'm setting this intention to heal my body. And I thank you for this opportunity to talk to you today from a soul perspective instead of the human experience. and I love you and I know your soul wants me to be happy and I want you to be happy and I want you to appreciate me and see the beauty that's within me. Kerie Logan (36:42.876) and say thank you, thank you for giving me this time. You I love you. Please forgive me, I'm sorry. Kerie Logan (36:52.784) and really get that feeling that her soul, her higher self is saying it's okay. Because that's what a nurturing, loving, safe, supporting mom would do and should do, but she doesn't have it in her and that's okay. Because it wasn't given to her either. Kerie Logan (37:13.296) And when you feel that, even see in your mind you hugging her and she's not mean, she's not distant, she's not cruel, she's just completely neutral. She's the mom you always wanted her to be. And that's her soul. Kerie Logan (37:34.652) And when you get that, then you just open your eyes and you can feel the difference. I mean, it really changes things. Because in the human experience, we get stuck, so stuck in the shame, so stuck in the disappointment, like why couldn't you love me the way that a parent should love you? Like here's a good example. When I, and I will cry about this. Lyndsay Soprano (38:00.686) Somebody else needs to cry around here. Kerie Logan (38:02.248) My dad did horrible horrible horrible things to me horrible things and I couldn't understand why Why someone like that would do these things to me and then what speaks to me said You know what? He's really not your father. He's the one that created you but I am your true father I am, I'm the one that loves you so much more than he could possibly love you. And when I got that realization, I was like, you're right. He's just the sperm donor who could not love me the way that I deserve to be loved. And the same thing about my mom. mean, my mom was broken by him in so many ways. And I realized that my creator made me like this. Lyndsay Soprano (38:38.722) Ha. Yep. Kerie Logan (38:53.67) so that I could speak this truth. To help people get out of that human experience and into the soul perspective that all of us need to be kinder, more loving, more compassionate. And there are some humans on this world that just don't have it in them. Lyndsay Soprano (39:10.444) Yeah, I mean absolutely. Kerie Logan (39:12.59) Absolutely. But if I can rise out of that human experience and connect to the soul, it's like one guy, I used to be his boss when I was in the wine industry. And when I had lunch with him a couple of months ago, and he's told me his sorry, sad story of his second divorce, I looked at him and I said, well, what did she teach you? What lessons did you learn? Can you see the gifts she gave you? And he looked at me just so puzzled. so puzzled and I said everyone here is a student and a teacher for one another. What gifts did she give you? And he texted me just a few days ago and said, I finally got the answer and my list is endless. Thank you. Thank you. Because I wanted him to see that she taught you self-worth, self-respect, you need to set boundaries. Lyndsay Soprano (39:58.584) love that. Kerie Logan (40:07.312) You need to love yourself. You were such a people pleaser. You were stuck in the salvation attitude because she was stuck on drugs and didn't want to quit drugs. And you told me yourself that you could have went down that bad path of addictive behaviors, but no, she brought you closer to God and that was a gift. And so look at it and you still love her. And that's the hardest lesson she's teaching you is unconditional love. So instead of Lyndsay Soprano (40:36.002) down. Kerie Logan (40:36.744) praying, thinking that you're a failure, you sucked at everything, pray that she'll find her way. Have compassion for her and as well as yourself. And like it totally transformed the way he viewed it. He got out of shame, out of guilt, out of remorse, out of despair and into a place of compassion and acceptance. I'm like, she is your greatest teacher. The most painful people in our lives are our greatest teachers. Either they destroy you, yeah, either they destroy you or you have that strength and resilience. And that's what that trauma is all about, strength. Lyndsay Soprano (41:05.954) Well, jeez, the piss. Lyndsay Soprano (41:15.298) Yeah, this is definitely strength and resilience for me for sure. There is a give up on me bone in me, but that comes from pain brain. And so that's a whole separate little part of my brain that developed in chronic pain. I don't even know how to explain it. Kerie Logan (41:33.618) But it's a part of you that feels or believe that I deserve to be punished, that I deserve to suffer because I'm such a bad girl and why can't my mom love me? So maybe if I'm in all this pain, she'll finally accept me and see me and comfort me. But in a way, she still can't do that. She can't at all. And so what you do is you give it to her and you apologize to her in your mind and you realize that this is why you're here. Lyndsay Soprano (41:50.389) candle. Kerie Logan (42:02.564) is to heal that. And that actually is a part of generational trauma because a lot of people don't realize that we can store up to seven generations of trauma in our DNA and you can clear it. Lyndsay Soprano (42:04.483) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (42:13.826) That's insane. That's insane. Well, you're hired. Lyndsay Soprano (42:20.98) Easy sell. No, mean, it's pretty unbelievable. I don't want to sit here and talk smack on my mom because that's not what this is about. because she is a decent human being, she does good things. The worst thing she's ever done, at least for her, was put dirt in a mailbox when she was in college. like, my God, I was probably the dirt that you put in the mailbox. I just always have felt so insignificant or not good enough or whatever, all of those things. Kerie Logan (42:23.194) Hehehe Lyndsay Soprano (42:50.902) And so I went into performing and I went into rebellion and I went into all these other places and all these spaces, some of which came that has nothing to do with her at all. Just crap that happened to me when I was a little girl too. that she knows nothing about and we'll never know anything about and I'm okay with that. And I've lived a life of protecting her more than I have felt protected. And so that's something that I've been trying to work through mostly on the show, because this is the best therapy that girls got. Kerie Logan (43:22.216) It is. Well, look at it this way. Her life, she conformed. She did what society thought a good girl should do. And you came into this life, into this body to say, no, I'm not gonna conform. I don't wanna wear a mask. I'm gonna honor me. I wanna be my authentic self. And even though you rebelled in ways that were destructive to your body, Lyndsay Soprano (43:32.258) interesting. Lyndsay Soprano (43:36.138) No chance, baby. Yeah. No. Lyndsay Soprano (43:44.91) Yeah. Kerie Logan (43:50.598) You can also correct it. And you see the wisdom and the errors of our ways because no one is perfect. No one is perfect. And I would rather, rather be rebellious and all of that than conform and be a sheep, be a robot. I mean, I have always been told my whole life that I am the black sheep of the family. And at first that wounded me. And now I am so damn proud. I'm like, Lyndsay Soprano (43:59.788) Nope, like we said, perfect is boring. Lyndsay Soprano (44:10.967) Yes. Kerie Logan (44:19.781) Yes! Lyndsay Soprano (44:20.782) I love it. I am the only black sheep in my family, quite frankly. I mean, when you look down at all of the kids and all of the cousins and all the things, I feel like I'm the only one that ever has stories or books to write. But then, as I'm saying that, I'm like, hold on a second, what about Jen? What about Matt? I'm like, wait a second, no I'm not. There are people in my family that were raised by different parents or what have you, but it's, I don't know, sorry, I kind of just went off track there. This has been this is emotional. But it's good. I knew I knew emotion was going to come out at some point during this episode with you, my dear. But that's the point is it is energy in motion. We've got to get it out. It's better out than in. We say that all things in life is better. But man, this this kind of work is intense. When you work with people Kerie Logan (44:57.686) it always does. Kerie Logan (45:02.736) Yes! Kerie Logan (45:15.389) Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (45:18.742) And I know you, I said use me as a guinea pig and you can, any guest can always use me as a guinea pig on things. But when you're sitting down, how does this work? Are we on, you work with us on Zoom, I presume you work with us and not just in person, but also you can do this virtually. Yeah. I mean, obviously you're just working with me just now on it. So yeah. Kerie Logan (45:36.06) Yes. Yeah. And sometimes I even Yeah, and I do offer a free 15 minute consultation. It could be over the phone. It could be zoom. I'm very good at what I, what I do. had one guy say, I've been in therapy for over 10 years and you nailed me in 10 minutes. How do you do that? And it's because I use that intuitive side of me and I really listened to you. And that's the thing is I think about everyone is like making a pie or a cake. I want to know. Lyndsay Soprano (45:55.18) Yeah. Yeah. Kerie Logan (46:09.572) all the ingredients that has created this dysfunction, this disharmony within you. So the pre-talk is so important because I gather all those ingredients and then I tell you, okay, this is how I'm gonna craft it. This is how I'll do your relaxation induction. I'll throw in some self-sabotage. I'll do a parts therapy. I'll do, let's say, inner child healing. I'll... You know, I'll do future pacing. could do clearing generational trauma. We could clear the past life stuff, whatever it is. I, the pre-talk is so important because I want you to be congruent. And I want that green light consciously. I really, really do. And so it's me weaving. That's interesting. I weave in my magic and they are just like, you it's, it is, I weave it in. Lyndsay Soprano (46:50.53) Yeah. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (47:04.802) my little magician. Kerie Logan (47:06.792) It is, and it's tailored specifically towards you. know, some people like their name in the recording, some people don't. Some people want their nickname in the recording. You know, some people don't. And it's just creating that safe, healing space for you. And that's what it boils down to is giving you the messages that... you need to hear because you know it consciously but back there it's you know Lyndsay Soprano (47:39.022) They're having their own damn party back here. They're just doing their own thing. There's no parents back here! Kerie Logan (47:42.086) Yeah, yeah. And the thing is... Yes, and that's okay that you know that Lyndsay Soprano (47:49.678) I'm throwing a kegger every day of my life in the back of my head. Kerie Logan (47:54.344) And that's okay. And you can tell them, hey, we're going to put, you know, the kegger down and we're going to do this now. And then that's where you future pace. And that's so important because you want those rebellious, angry, disappointed parts to integrate like all the pieces of the puzzle coming together. You want it to integrate and you show them what life could be, what is possible for us. Instead of being Lyndsay Soprano (48:21.42) I love it. Well, you better be able to get me dancing again young lady Or you're fired. No, I'm kidding. I Feel like you're be able to get me dancing again, but I knew that the second that I met you it was weird I was like, mmm, I'm gonna have to have this woman in my life. So congratulations to you Kerie Logan (48:39.516) Well, I worked with, you know, there was a Catholic nun in the community that literally had PTSD so bad, the church couldn't help her heal. And she tried running through a glass plate window and it didn't shatter, literally. And that she knew, okay, yeah, a Catholic nun trying to take her life. people in the community were like, you've got to see this woman. And so she saw me, she saw me. Lyndsay Soprano (48:55.534) Shut up. my God. Wow. Lyndsay Soprano (49:05.686) Yeah, no kidding. Kerie Logan (49:09.39) And literally it goes against her religion. And at the end of the session, she said to me, do you know God talks to you? And I said, how do you know? She's like, because everything you said, everything you described and I felt, it was like you were holding my hand. You were there with me every step of the way. And I said, I was. It was totally unscripted. I just sat in front of my mic. I channeled what wanted to come in for her. That's what I was guided to do. And it worked and in two sessions her PTSD was gone. Yeah. And we had deep, she even called me her spiritual advisor because I would tell her, this is what's going on with the nuns. She didn't know why they didn't like her. And I'm like, well, they're all there for trauma. You know, when you think about it, and these women were all old, like in their eighties and stuff, I said, some didn't want to get married. Lyndsay Soprano (49:42.978) Wow. Lyndsay Soprano (49:57.038) Yeah, hello? Kerie Logan (50:06.264) Some were abused as a child and some couldn't find a job and where are they supposed to go? They don't wanna be homeless. It was a safe haven for them. But the problem is, is they still have the trauma and they're still angry. And I said, why they don't like you is because you lived, you got married, you had a child, you had a life. And when your kid grew up, that's when you joined the monastery. So they're jealous and envious of you. Lyndsay Soprano (50:31.626) Interesting, yeah. Yeah. my gosh, I seriously feel like we can sit here and talk for the rest of the day. Kerie Logan (50:41.244) There's a lot of wisdom in me. Lyndsay Soprano (50:42.926) There's so much wisdom in you and I'm gonna pull it right out of you and give it to me. I've got my own wisdom too, my darling, but it's different. So, okay, there are a billion places to find you online. What is the best place for people to find you online? Like number one spot for people to go see about your jam. Because if you're not hiring her after this conversation, then I don't know what your problem is. I'm kidding. Kerie Logan (50:58.567) Yes. Kerie Logan (51:05.03) Man, there's so many, well right now, which surprises a lot of people, you wanna talk about trauma? I know a lot about trauma. I came out this year letting everyone know, the world know that I am the author of the book, The Undetected Narcissist, Angela Meyer. And I have the podcast, The Undetected Narcissist, and I'm on season four right now. And I'm talking about grace through acceptance, how to forgive the unforgivable. I talk about people pleasing. Ooh, I'm to talk about lessons. I talk about why and how healing happens in layers. There's stuff about toxic parents, toxic family, how to communicate with toxic people, about shadow self. And all that stuff is so important because everybody, everybody on this planet does run into someone that is toxic or narcissistic. We all do. And we need to know how. What? Lyndsay Soprano (51:39.822) Mmm. Lyndsay Soprano (51:49.1) Yeah. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (52:01.398) Unless you're a narcissist. Unless you're a narcissist. Then you don't. Kerie Logan (52:07.878) Yeah. So, and they can traumatize you when you're in the dark and you don't know the games that they play. We get traumatized. Lyndsay Soprano (52:15.89) Yep, you have your work cut out for me my dear Or for you about me my dear. I can't wait for it So where are we fighting you then are we going to undetected narcissists? Are we going to empowered within are we going to master the upper rooms? Where are we going? Kerie Logan (52:31.528) Well, I say go what calls you. Where do you feel called to go and go there? Because it's not about, let's say me plugging myself. It's about what do you need right now? Because I'm here to be of service and I offer so many different things. And I want you to be happy. I want you to get out of the doom and gloom or whatever it is. Lyndsay Soprano (52:35.486) that's fair. Lyndsay Soprano (52:45.432) Sure, that's fair. Lyndsay Soprano (52:51.553) It's amazing. Kerie Logan (53:00.122) and have peace of mind. want you to be living instead of existing. I mean, you could even just Google my name, K-E-R-I-E, last name Logan. I'm on Insight Timer, the meditation app. I'm on YouTube. Lyndsay Soprano (53:05.07) I'd love that. Lyndsay Soprano (53:13.39) You're on insight timer? I use it every day. I'm now going to go to you. Oh my god. Kerie Logan (53:17.852) Ooh, okay, okay, okay, okay. If you go there, you wanna look up the sophity frequencies. There's one actually for pain and there's some for actually healing and repairing damaged organs. Yes, and so let me find it really quick. It tells you, on Master the Upper Rooms, there's a one two-sided sheet that tells you what the different frequencies do. Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (53:30.094) You're my first insight timer guest. I am so happy. Okay, so. Lyndsay Soprano (53:44.366) It's about sound healing frequencies is what she's just showing right now. And I listen to a lot of that just like binaural beats and stuff like that. Who would've got to do it in the sauna? I do it when I sleep at night or I attempt. use my headphones and then I even have been putting it into my pool in my swim because I swim every day. Hold on. Kerie Logan (53:47.452) Yes. Yes. Yes. Kerie Logan (53:56.689) Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (54:07.822) Okay, just stop for a second. Okay. Lyndsay Soprano (54:13.794) You gotta be kidding me right now with this. Lyndsay Soprano (54:29.388) Okay, we're gonna keep on going. We'll just cut whatever there was. Okay. Kerie Logan (54:36.017) Swim it in your pool. Lyndsay Soprano (54:36.174) So continue. So we were talking about the sound healing and the frequencies and how we can get those on all of, there's all these different places and you're on insight timer and stuff like that. Sorry, we had a little technical glitch there. anyways. Kerie Logan (54:50.875) Yeah, they're even on YouTube too, on the Empowered Within, all the frequencies and I have descriptions and stuff. And it works so well. I had one guy that had a traumatic brain injury that was a veteran and he contacted me and he said, he felt literally in his brain, his head, the little buzzing and whatever. He went to his neurologist and said, can this actually heal me, repair the damaged tissue in there? And the neurologist said, yes, it can. Sound healing really does work. So he wanted to share it with his veterans group. And I said, yeah, it's free, play this. If it helps in heels, that's what matters. Lyndsay Soprano (55:23.694) Hmm, it absolutely. Lyndsay Soprano (55:30.232) Yeah. I love that so much. Well, before we hit the dusty trails, is there anything that you'd like to leave our listeners with before we go? I will put all of your information in social media, of course, and our email marketing, all of that. Kerie Logan (55:45.841) would have to say is sometimes our pain is only temporary. It doesn't have to be a life sentence. There is relief. There is is ways because when you're so obsessed and so focused on the pain, you're actually feeding into it. Think about feeding a dragon. You got to slow back and give yourself more kindness and more grace and there are so many different things you can listen to. Lyndsay Soprano (56:06.883) Mm-hmm. Kerie Logan (56:16.155) Hypnotherapy wise to learn to forget about the pain. You might still have it, but you're not so obsessed about it. Lyndsay Soprano (56:24.59) Because the second I wake up, I'm like, oh yeah, that's right. But in the middle of the night, I wake up to go to the bathroom. I'm like, oh yeah, that's right. Like, I can't walk to the bathroom without being in pain. Or I'm crawling to the bathroom in pain. I mean, it's just horrible stuff. Kerie Logan (56:38.096) So a great process would be is having you imagine yourself waking up in the middle of night and going to the bathroom and you feel fine. Yeah, you just feel fine. You get up, you go to the bathroom, you do your thing and you climb back in bed and you realize, how good this feels. Lyndsay Soprano (56:45.708) I love it. I love it. Lyndsay Soprano (56:55.438) That would be amazing. It's such a little thing. The little things that we take for granted, right guys? Those little tiny steps that you make every single day. Don't take them for granted. Just do not, don't do it. It's not allowed. That's right, milk it baby. Well, thank you so much for your time. I loved this conversation. Thank you for, woo, pulling some out of me. Kerie Logan (56:58.082) It is. that's... Yes. Kerie Logan (57:09.082) Yep. Melk it for all it's got. Kerie Logan (57:22.541) Okay. Lyndsay Soprano (57:22.808) I'm really looking forward to working with you, like legitimately. And I can say that on air because I am going to be working with her. And then I'm to be doing an episode about how wonderful I feel all due to her and I's work. It's going to be great. So before we jam out of here, I have a new bite size extension of the pain game podcast. If you go to Insta and you go to my bio, my link in the bio, there's a place that says submit your pain bite. In that little form, all you can do is fill out your information. I will make sure that you're anonymous. If you ask me to be, you can record something on your phone and upload it straight to the form, and it's a little pain bite. Now this doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be something totally painful. It can be what cracked you open this week, what stitched you back together. It can be something about your chaos, your aches, your crazy monkey brain, whatever it is that you wanna talk about, good, bad, ugly, do it. Get it out there, even if it's just for a bite because it's worth being heard. Let me speak it out loud for you on behalf of you, one raw honest bite at a time. You are exclusively invited to share this magical Catholic none through a window pain, VIP pain journey together. Let's get to the heart of how to heal with you by my side. Please follow the Pain Game podcast wherever you digest your podcast content. We will be there. visit us at thepangamepodcast.com and follow us on all the socials. Thanks for listening, my little VIPs. Catch you on the other side. Lyndsay Soprano (58:58.136) That's how we do that. Kerie Logan (59:00.859) Good job.