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Education is Key to Elevator Safety | David Smarte · The Elevator Careers Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: The one message is if there's something you don't know or something somebody you need to be in touch with, reach out to anybody in the industry, especially NAEC.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we want to help everyone if we can.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if we don't have an answer, we would like to try and put you in touch with somebody that you could get the answer from.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, that that that would be my message is be safe out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no question, not worth asking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, and welcome to the Elevator Careers Podcast, sponsored by the Allred Group.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am your host, Matt Allred.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this podcast, we talk to the people whose lives and careers are dedicated to the vertical transportation industry, to inform and share lessons learned, building upon the foundation of those who have gone before, to inspire the next generation of elevator careers.
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  SPEAKER_01: With the national football of elevator contractors, David started his career in 1978 for 20 years, in 1875, 2025 over 20 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: David started over 20 years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: And joined the NFL team at After 25 in 2021 with a desire to drive safety education throughout the industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: David loves the elevator industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is passionate about learning and believes every question is worth asking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, David, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to be able to talk with you again.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll always enjoy our conversations and and um one of one of the things that I find most fascinating about you is just how much you love your job.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, after 40 years, how how do you still love your job so much?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's always new.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's um the people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's just been a great industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh how do you not like something that in an industry where you have competitors that come together to try and help each other?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you see that in any other industry out there at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, and and honestly, that's it's that's definitely true from what I've seen, and I've worked with a lot of other industries that that there's something special about the elevator industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it and it from my you know, just just watching you and others, it's like it seems to just give you motivation, give you energy, you know, so you want to continue to just be in that space.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I can't s I can't imagine anybody once they get bit by this industry ever leaving it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not willingly anyhow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hear you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so uh what is it that you love the most?
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, I like the people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't care what side of the track you're on, um, merit, union, independent, major, they're all great people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, although they might have a little bit of a business philosophy difference, they all come together for the industry and try to make it better, safer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's it's just so many people that that have been involved in it that it's got uh Pete Meeks that gave me the opportunity to be able to learn to do what I do now for the last 22 years, getting into the safety component and the training component and allowing me to volunteer with NAEC on their committees and uh being on the board with NAEC.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh then taking all this to NAEC when I finally retired from Pete and helping them um and helping all the smaller independent shops and uh whether union or non-union, because they just don't have the resources that NAC is putting it together, trying to help with safety, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh having a voice for them on different committees, whether it be ASME for the code committees or the OSHA Alliance, or you know, just building technical courses for the uh certified elevator technician program or the uh accessibility technician program.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just all challenging and fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I enjoy the heck out of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I enjoy all the volunteers and staff and other organizations such as NEET and um Workers Preservation Fund, uh BASA.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, I could keep going with them there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, we're competitors, but we all come together to try and help each other with safety.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what it sounds like is is work for you is is more play than work.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's I mean it sounds like you're just you're loving it so much that it's like it well, I'm kind of selfish, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: The networking is a very important part of it all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I learn every time I network, so that's the selfish part.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always get something, but I always try to give something back to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you you mentioned Pete, you know, giving the opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: How did you get started in the elevator industry?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I started uh actually with the IUEC back in 1978.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Worked for um small independent called Vic, very short time, Vic's elevator, and then I went on to uh Armor and then I stayed with Armor when they became part of uh uh Koney, and then uh Koney bought uh Mountgomery, and that's when I I had left.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was with 21 years the IUEC out of local seven out of Baltimore.
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  SPEAKER_00: And with Pete, I went to him as a uh as a route guy, became a supervisor, and then I started doing all the training and then the safety.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I just took a knack when I had a bigger route.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd always take somebody with me, and we'd spend the first couple of days doing all the maintenance, and then we do one day of learning for them, doing troubleshooting, setting up problems for them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of how I got into the safety and the training part of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you uh obviously started, you know, way before your your time with Pete, but what what was it that first I I when you realized, I guess, that that hey, this is something I love, this is something I want to keep doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: When did that first kind of click with you?
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  SPEAKER_00: When I first started with Vic, I my father had a business and I worked with him, uh plumbing heating and air conditioning.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um dad introduced me to one of the Vic who owned Vic's elevator, and Vic offered me a job.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'd had my fill of having my hands in the toilets and everything with my dad, and I was still I wasn't even 16 at that point.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, from 13 to 18, that's what I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or 17, I should say.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I was 17, I got involved and got invited from Vic to start.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once I got my hands on the equipment and I started meeting people in the industry, it was like there's nothing else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just never look back.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I did take a brief stand to go into the military, but I had a uh a broken auricular bone and ended up not being able to finish and ended up getting uh discharge, medical discharge, honorable discharge, went right back to the elevator, didn't go to any place else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so it sounds like you you obviously had a lot of time in the in the field, but it was really these last, I guess, 20-something years when you you started to specialize.
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  SPEAKER_01: What kind of led you to and you talked about bringing somebody along with you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Was safety a big part of why you were doing that to to help keep them safe?
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  SPEAKER_00: It started out more the training and understanding using the tools properly and understanding how to troubleshoot using diagrams and layouts and you know, for your equipment trying to figure out that's kind of where it started from.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh then that quickly realized that you have to have safety.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you don't have safety, it costs you more money.
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  SPEAKER_00: Injuries, trying to replace people, downtime.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it just kind of fell together hand in hand.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, I guess the 22 years I was with Delaware Elevator, about 14 of it or so, or 13 or 14 was just concentrated in the safety and the training aspect and trying to build programs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the whole time I was volunteering with NAEC, right, helping them with their programs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, 2001, I started volunteering with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then about almost four years ago is when I started with NAEC after retire from Delaware.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cool, cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, what would you say it is that ultimately drives safety in the industry?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you talked about you know education and and you know, is it what what's what are the biggest factors?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it policing it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it you know enforcing it or I you know policing and enforcing to me is not the proper terminology.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's more about caring and showing to the individuals, you know, the things that we do aren't a penalty and they're not a punishment.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's for the betterment of them making sure they get home to their families.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the key.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to make sure everybody gets home to their families, they have families to support.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's not fair to the families if they don't get home.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that was the emphasis.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh Ray Downs always, you know, him and I've worked together a lot on a lot of things, and Ray and I both have had the same philosophy that you know, you're not doing your job correctly if you're not getting people home safely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Training's the only way you can do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's why NAC got so heavily involved with the uh um the Alliance, the OSHA Alliance, which partnered up with NEE, uh IUEC, Workers' Preservation Fund, NEEP, um, all of the uh all of the offices of OSHA, some great people that worked with OSHA, Anthony Tooy, Jim Toey, uh Sandra Bullock, they they were great people involved.
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  SPEAKER_00: The OSHA Alliance is still going.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you had all these major Otis and uh Tissons all being part of it through NEI that shared uh Workers Preservation Fund absolutely were a great partner.
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  SPEAKER_00: Curnis Curtis Deville providing with approval from everybody documents for the smaller companies to help them be safe.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, we may be competitors, but it's important that everybody's sharing the safety and the training of the people to make sure the industry stays safe.
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  SPEAKER_00: We should we share labor back and forth.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's it's important.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, and it was I think what it sounds like to me is that uh you know, we we can call it education, but it's really just helping somebody be aware that you know what, the the consequences of doing it this way are gonna be so heavy that you're you're not gonna, you know, if you can just understand how important it is for you to do it the right way and to be safe, well, then you don't have to learn the hard way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because unfortunately there are those who have learned the hard way, and we don't we don't want to repeat those those mistakes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we learn, uh you know, OSHA has always been referenced as you know, we learn from the blood of others, and we don't want the same thing to happen to other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we try to take those, and you know, I know uh we try to promote, NASA tries to promote, NEI, NEEP, all of them, Workers Preservation Fund, everybody tries to share all those experiences to try and get the word out.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, this we want to be safe, we want to be a great industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: We already have great industry.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just want everybody to everybody to take heed to that and do the best they can, be quality, be safe, understand what they got to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it's really worked out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, another great partner I do want to mention is uh Elevator World.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do a tremendous job with the safety handbook, uh Nee, NEC, and uh Neat just recently have completed the remake.
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  SPEAKER_00: It should be coming out on to the market, I would say, published in the next month or two.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's been it's been a really big uh big remake.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's probably one of the biggest ones that they've done.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think there's a section of the book that hasn't been unturned.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dot uh Maehan from uh Nee has been a big part of it as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her and I are actually going to start doing some uh presentations on that different different events in the industry in the next year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very cool, very cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I know and you you've mentioned you know multiple uh different committees, and you know, I know you're involved with you know code safety committees.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what's your greatest desire from the time you spend with those different committees and groups?
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  SPEAKER_00: The desire is to do exactly what we're doing, trying to make it easier for everybody in the industry, whether you're an inspector or um a mechanic or a business owner, to understand and make it simple that you can understand what we have to do to put the equipment in safe for the riding public, for the individuals doing the work, to the business owner.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and if we're all doing it right, everybody's profitable for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're profitable when you get home, you're making a good living, the business owner is happy, the building owner's happy, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a terrible event when somebody does get injured, and it affects every one of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's absolutely again why we try to do what we do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't care what organization you're at, that's the at the foremost is the training and the safety.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the one of the things that fascinates me about these different groups and organizations, and you know, is is that they all you you mentioned it that all come together right with kind of the a single purpose.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I am curious, how how do codes become code?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, how does uh, you know, hey, this is the new code, where did that come from?
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, you're going way, way back before me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I know what we do today is we try to, if there's a problem or an installation issue, or there's a um a request for an interpretation, you know, being part of ASME on some of the committees I'm on, and there's multiple, multiple committees, task groups, and it's constantly evolving and changing with new equipment coming out.
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  SPEAKER_00: How does it comply?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's big look right now at the harmonization with the European codes or the ISOs, oh wow, uh standards, and um somehow all this everybody's taking different pieces of it and they're trying to put the puzzle together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you try to you hope that you get the puzzle right, but when you don't, that's when you get the variances or you get a relook at it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's a constant evolving um with a lot of great people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, um, Scott Burt uh voucher from uh Coney is one of the big ones, Dave McCall from Otis, um John Koshak is independent.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, they all have different backgrounds, different philosophies, but but in the when we sit in a room, we talk, we're talking about it, everybody understands, everybody has an opinion, and you try and adjust it to where you need for everybody to work and understand it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that that's a great thing about the codes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's it's really neat and encouraging to hear that that you know there's harmonization, even even internationally or at least it attempts to, because I imagine you know, when you say way behind, you know, before me, that's there's just a a lot of organic, uh, you know, a lot of tradition, a lot of, hey, this is how we do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's you know, there there's just so much that has changed, like you say, it's just kind of grown up over the years, and and here's how we do it now, but but so many different competing interests and groups and everybody trying to do the right thing, but but hitting it from a different angle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, to say that well, that's always been the way it's been done, that's always being challenged now.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the way it was, doesn't mean it's gonna be the way it's gonna be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, again, I've I talked with uh David Griffenhagen and uh Eric McCulski and all these guys that are part of the union side, and they they point out, hey, it doesn't always have to be the way it was, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um they're great, great partners in all this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and I I learn a lot from all these different people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm constantly evolving myself, seeing different perspectives, and then listening to our members, not just our contractor members, but our supplier members.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they have pointed questions they want to get addressed or answered or try and figure it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um humbly, I'm I've been tasked to do some of that, and I'm doing the best that I can.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so far it's worked out well for everyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's beginning to be a little overwhelming because there's so many components and so many moving pieces, but it's fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, you never bored, always like being challenged.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's great that that you and and so many others are are are willing to look at, you know, this is the way we've done it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that you know, if there's a better way, well, let's find a better way, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that and I think that's the the purpose of the committee structured and the subcommittees is hey, there may be a better, safer, you know, whatever, you know, way way to make this happen that's in everybody's best interest.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have so much knowledge is pouring into it, trying to figure and make that better wheel.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't want to reinvent the wheel, but sometimes you might have to.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: And uh especially with new ways of doing things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when I started in the trade, it was relay logic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Went from relay logic to CPUs, microprocessors now, and you know, it's just constantly evolving.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now you have AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um there's a lot of companies working on the AI and helping with the troubleshooting component.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that that to me, that's that's my learning curve.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not exactly sure.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the old day you look at a print, you see a contact, you work on it's easy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then you went to the boards.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the old day you could work on those boards, they give you diagrams, you could replace components of it.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's just swapping.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, you know, you got a bad board in this area, you get a new board, send the board off, and you know, it it's it's just so much, and it's constantly evolving.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Drives are are are you know changing up constantly, and how you can work on the equipment and low wares that feed back into the drives to give you a better ride.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, they're getting more complicated, and you know, back in the day it was geared, you had some gearless, now we're looking at permanent magnet gearless, they're they're a lot more relevant now and a lot more uh out there, a lot more.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's there's more product there um that hadn't been in the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, there's good points, there's bad points.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it just you work through it and you apply the code and you try and get the code, the code doesn't work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, what would be the best way to do this?
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, there's less there's a lot of smart people out there in this industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, and like you say, the the technology is constantly changing too.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it not you know, there's never a dull moment because something's always changing, whether it's the the technology or or hey, the the code needs to be updated now, maybe to uh to catch up with the technology or or whatever.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is is there any group that you feel like is underrepresented when it comes to safety?
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  SPEAKER_01: And and if so, you know, how could they be included more?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: So the group that I would have to say that was underrepresented would be your small, small independent mom and pops.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I think that's why there's been such a big focus with the YOSHA Alliance, with NI and AEC and um the IUEC and Workers Preservation Fund and all of those to they recognize that whether it's union or non-union, they have they don't have a voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's hard for them because they're running a business every day, and it's sometimes week to week for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: So trying to get them more representation.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of them are joining the NAEC, which we try to represent them, but all these groups recognize that, and and I would say it's only been within the last five, six years they've they've noticed that and where all this came together.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that would be the group that's underrepresented.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, we're trying to do our best to help them at NAEC and trying to get them to, you know, listen to them, what do they need, and and trying to work for them.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and as they're yeah, invited to participate and and come to the education, you know, conferences and and network, of course, you know, call call their buddies, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the biggest thing is networking, getting them to come to, you know, within our organization.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: We have the spring conference, which is getting ready to come up with down in Hilton Hidge, South Carolina.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we're we're trying to have a very good educational conference, and that's what the spring is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course, the fall's also got plenty of education involved with it, but that's more of a big show so they can come see the equipment, the new equipment, put their hands on the equipment, talk with the engineers.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's great for the mechanics for the smaller shops and the bigger shops to come to these because they get to meet, network, and build that personal relationship.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: So they know the guy at the other end of the phone.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a big part of what uh NAC tries to do is bring everybody together and network and you know, put that personal touch to it.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and I've I've heard from so many people just how valuable that is, whether it's you know, learning about safety or or even learn how to troubleshoot different machines, if they know there's there's somebody out there that they can call.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I do think that's a big part of what makes the the industry special is just that people are willing to take a call and to help out.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: They are.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: I've not seen, I've never heard of anybody refusing to help somebody.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care what side of the aisle, they're there to help.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which is awesome.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so Dave, we're about out of time, but um I guess the last question I want to ask you is what is one message that you would like to give to the industry and to our listeners?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: The one message is if there's something you don't know or something, somebody you need to be in touch with, reach out to anybody in the industry, especially NAC.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: We're here.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we want to help everyone if we can.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: And if we don't have an answer, we would like to try and put you in touch with somebody that you could get the answer from.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And again, that that that would be my message is be safe out there.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's no question, not worth asking.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Love that.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's perfect, Dave.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much for being with me today.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: I've enjoyed it, as always.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it too.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's been awesome.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 22:03
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