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Hard Truths About Devolution & ”The Plan” — General Flynn Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 0:02
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Wholehouse. So I just finished this interview with Clay Clark and general Flynn, which I'm gonna play for you. But I'll tell you that I I asked a question at the beginning before we were really starting, and general Flynn has kinda launched into a lot of the narrative. He thinks it's very important right now.
• 0:21
  So I'm just gonna play it unedited as the conversation took place because I think that it was a very important discussion about where our country's at, the reality of our military, the reality of our politicians, our financial system, and the the real threats of what's happening around the world. So I hope that you enjoy this interview. Again, it's an important message that I think that we have to be really sober about right now in our country. Before we get started, folks, make sure you're following me on social media at Man in America. Also, every show I do is also put up as a podcast.
• 0:55
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• 1:13
  It's gonna be a fast and wild ride, but it's a good one. So I wanted to I wanted to dive into fifth generation warfare as kind of the theme. And I have some specific questions for you based upon that, like some pertaining to the Chinese Communist Party, some pertaining to the globalists and, you know, that whole arrangement. And then I think it'd be good to talk about just different psychological operations, but then have a segment about QAnon where I can just ask you very, you know, kind of simple questions about it. Because I think that there's people that still like, they'll they'll watch an interview with you where you say, look.
• 1:52
  This is this is don't fall for it. And they're like, oh, it's all optics. You know? And, of course, he's not gonna tell us that it's you know? So I wanna try to just create clarity for people.
• 2:01
  Like mean,
• 2:02
  Todd Callender: Seth, is your audience that stupid, though? I mean, are they are people that stupid? I mean, look at what's happening in the house of representatives today. I mean, this is historic. We have the first time in over a hundred years we have not been able to choose a speaker of the house.
• 2:17
  If there's a goddamn plan that QAnon has, they better get it up and operating because, you know, I mean, again, I I just I'm not even sure I wanna talk about it. I I don't wanna talk about it actually because I just think I'm I'm that irritated by people still believing in this bullshit.
• 2:35
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'd say that I think a lot of people, they don't there's you you have
• 2:41
  Todd Callender: I mean, again again, Seth, Seth, I like you. I like you. I like you. And but I'm gonna tell you. If you if you have an audience that believes in this stuff, then then you you have done something with your audience that that, you know, allows a gullibility to exist that we don't need in this country right now.
• 3:00
  This country is on the is on the verge of of becoming a communist nation or a fascist nation if Charles Schwab has his way. I mean, there's no plan there. I I don't know what you know, Q and I, Q, whatever the hell it is, it's a damn good it's a damn good SIOP. That's what it is. And it's and it's been directed against the American people and everybody's Q.
• 3:23
  I mean, everybody's Q if you're if you're if you're not on the right side of the of the left wing. I mean, I I mean, really, I I I get irritated talking about it because it's a it's a waste of my time.
• 3:39
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I mean, I I I agree with you. I'd probably say 95% of the people that follow me are in the exact same boat. And they're like, maybe at one point they thought so, but, you know, after the past two years, they're like, there's no way. You know what I mean?
• 3:53
  So, okay, what you guys
• 3:55
  Todd Callender: I just I just posted something on a on a an interview that I did with I didn't actually post it. Somebody else posted it on Twitter, which I'm still banned from. And it's it's getting a lot of a lot of of, you know, views, I guess. And it's my my pitch with Steve Bannon. Actually, no.
• 4:17
  It was with Roger Stone the other day. We were always talking about Ukraine. The amount of of and it's and the guy that reposted it, his name is Filipowski, Ron Filipowski. He's a dirtball. And I wish I was on, Twitter to be able to respond to it, but I'm not.
• 4:33
  And so all of the, you know, all of the negative, all the people that follow him, and there he's got quite a few followers. He, you know, he probably has 300, four hundred thousand, and he's just a negative dirtball lefty, believes in black lives matter, LGBTQ, thinks we should be, know, thinks we should all be living in Moscow because we we should crush Russia. And so all of the the the people that follow him are a bunch of to me, they're they're probably that's probably where where q comes from. And I read some of the comments, and it's like, you know, oh, Flynn's a traitor. Flynn's this.
• 5:06
  Flynn you know? You know? I mean, I wish I could post my my dismissal from the Department of Justice and and actually tape it to Ron Filipowski's forehead. And but a lot of people on there talk about Q and how, you know, Q's plan, all the plans coming together. You know?
• 5:26
  I'm I'm thinking to myself, we're in big trouble with people that still believe this crap.
• 5:31
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I I I agree. I agree. So we we won't I hope
• 5:35
  Todd Callender: this is recorded. Actually, I hope this is live.
• 5:37
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yeah. No. That that was recorded. Yeah. I mean, so if we want, I can you know, I can
• 5:42
  Todd Callender: Oh, there you go. Then
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: Alright. There's a pretty hot intro right That'll be
• 5:47
  Todd Callender: the sound bite. That'll be the sound bite. I don't care what else we talk about. I mean, we can talk
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: about That's probably a great intro right there.
• 5:54
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Well, I can clip that one out and and kinda put that one separately and, you know, Gerald Flynn's real thoughts about this. So Yeah. Okay.
• 6:03
  Todd Callender: These people are there's some horrible people out there because they hate this country. If somebody believes in black lives matter, if somebody believes in in in in the idea of transgenderism and transhumanism, they got a problem. I have a problem with that. If somebody believes that what we're doing in in Eastern Europe is right and good for The United States Of America. You know, when we have, you know, a a a massive, massive drug problem in this country, you know, massive problems with our invasion of our southern just our southern border.
• 6:37
  Never mind all the other borders that we have where where, humans and drugs and weapons come into our country. The Department of Homeland Security just issued a a, an alert in the last twenty four hours about we're we should be expecting another nine eleven, type attack by Al Qaeda. I mean, you know, that's the plan? What's the plan? And when people go, well, we have a plan.
• 7:04
  We're you know, the plan is being executed. What? You know, people need to get off that and and start to start to it's like a group I talked to last night. I spoke to a county, of a a county Republican executive committee, out in Arizona last night for, I don't know, thirty minutes. And and it's their numbers, I think, are either doubled or tripled than I you know, in terms of the number of people that have joined this particular county Republican executive committee.
• 7:36
  Now, you know, I hope that some of them, you know, were there just to listen to what I had to say because I don't really care if somebody's republican or democrat as long as they believe in this country. And as long as they see what's happening to the country, which we are losing our rights, we're losing our freedoms, and we're losing them rapidly. You know? Because one of the things I will talk about, and and I and I think we should talk about, is the upcoming World Economic Forum meeting, which Klaus Schwab is gonna start that meeting off. I can almost guarantee how he's gonna start.
• 8:12
  He's gonna he's gonna give himself on behalf of the World Economic Forum a big pat on the back for what the World Economic Forum just accomplished at the at the latest g twenty summit in Bali, Indonesia. And he's gonna pat himself on the back, and he's gonna say how wonderful, the world believes what what we're doing in our endeavor to create, to, you know, continue on with the fourth industrial revolution and move in the direction that we're moving. These people want to take over the financial system of this country.
• 8:46
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• 9:14
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• 10:15
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• 11:25
  Todd Callender: And and they're and they're gonna work hard on it. You know, who who's nobody's even talking about the guy that that laundered, and we don't really even know how much money he laundered, but the guy the FTX guy that laundered money out of Ukraine. And yet we're just gave we just gave Ukraine you know, I think we're upwards of a hundred and $10,000,000,000 now. You know that if you took a hundred billion dollars, divided it by 435 members of congress of the house, that would give every single district in this country $200,000,000. A hundred million divided by 435.
• 11:59
  So, you know, it's I'm not it's not perfect, but it's close. You could you could give every member, every every district in this country $200,000,000. You think that every every American that's sitting at home right now that might listen to this will go, jeez, I would love to have $200,000,000 spent in my district instead of over in Ukraine that's gonna end up finding its way. And there's some great articles that were have been written about this. Zero hedge had a terrific article, Tyler Durden, in the last twenty four hours or so.
• 12:29
  And he's a terrific journalist, and he talked about, you know, the money where where the money's gonna go. You know, it's gonna go into for profits, nonprofits, con government contracts, Department of Defense think tanks. You know, it's gonna it's gonna sort of flitter away, and, you know, maybe some money will be spent on ammunition and arms to do to what? To do more war? To fight more of the war?
• 12:55
  We we should be we should be holding our administration's feet to the fire to find peace, to create a set of conditions where peace can can be, you know, brought back and and a conversation can be had. I mean, the the the secretary general of NATO was gave a speech the other day, and he real hard speech. You know, he's a real hard hitting guy, not elected by anybody. You know, he's a he's he's a sort of appointed by the by the body. You know, he's a NATO secretary general, and he's talking about we have a moral obligation to to you know, because of what Russia's done to a sovereign nation.
• 13:38
  And and that as the secretary general of NATO, he might he might feel a moral obligation, and that's fine. And I I don't have any issues with how he feels about that, but NATO doesn't have a moral obligation to defend Ukraine. I mean, Ukraine's not part of NATO. Now if the European Union, which has its own military, wants to do some stuff, if the Europeans wanna do some stuff I mean, this idea that we have to go and get ourselves involved in every single scuffle that that occurs on the planet, on planet Earth. And then who's spending the most of the money?
• 14:10
  Have you heard how much money Germany is spending? How much money, you know, the the British are spending? How much money Spain or Italy? No. You haven't because they don't spend that much money.
• 14:20
  In fact, they don't they we're we're back to the days of of of pre Trump NATO days where where we we paid for everything for NATO. So we're back to that again. You know? So, I mean, there's these there's these strategic you know, the the the geostrategic landscape of the world right now is is is moving away from the favor and the advantage of The United States Of America. And it's solely because we have an administration, you know, and and, I mean, we still have the freedom of speech.
• 14:55
  I think it's a fake administration. I I I still don't believe that that our twenty twenty election was, was a legitimate election. I mean, I the more I see, the more I've learned about how our this mail in ballot stuff you know? And there's a there's a there's a case right now that's filed on the United States Supreme Court. And, you know, I mean, it's and it was filed out of Pennsylvania, and I think it's I think it's called act 77, but don't hold me to that.
• 15:25
  But it's at the US Supreme Court, though. They will review it, and it discusses the, constitutionality of mail in ballots, and this is out of Pennsylvania. And so I I actually think that there's a lot of merit there. We'll see what what the what the the Supreme Court does. They maybe they just do nothing and they pick it back, or maybe they make some decisions about about the about the constitutionality of at least mail in ballots as it relates to this case out of Pennsylvania.
• 15:57
  But all of these things matter because we are we are sort of in this ebb and flow of history right now. And the funny thing about history, it's not a straight line. You know? It doesn't it's not a nice straight clean line from one one data point to another data point. It's a very chaotic, historic set of activities that exist, and they exist on the on the planet right now, globally.
• 16:28
  Have we had a lot of other challenges in in, in US history or or certainly in in world history. Yeah. But it's never been it's not it's not this nice straight clean thing where people can go, oh, you know, this is all gonna work out. We've had tough times before. We've had World War twos, and we've had World War ones, and we've had the civil war and Vietnam's and, you know, we've had the Spanish flu, and we've had the COVID, and, you know, and we've gotten through it all.
• 16:58
  Well, I'm not sure we've gotten through it all. And one of the one of the sort of the final things that that I think we're experiencing, and I say yeah. Use that word final deliberately, is I think we're experiencing a transition in our financial system. And I do think let me turn my phone phone down because I was just listening to the to the house. I do think that we're we're facing a financial transition.
• 17:28
  And, you know, this is really where Clay, I think, you know, has really gotten into the details of this. And neither of us would say that we're financial experts, but certainly, you know, all you gotta do is read the stuff and study it. But I think that that's that's the more important aspect of where we are. It's yep. There's a political there's definitely a political transition going on in the in the country.
• 17:51
  Definitely a political transition going on in the world. There is a shift. It seems like a shift moving to where there's an alignment, a stronger alignment with China instead of America. That's I mean, I just I feel that. We don't have we have we have all this noise about Russia.
• 18:11
  Russia's a declining nation state and have been for a long time now, actually. Actually, probably even into the eighties, you know, starting to decline in terms of their population, their wealth, and their their overall abilities and the challenges that they face with their own, demographics. And they have some some, you know, significant challenges. The The United States was rising, but now and and was really doing well just in the last recent couple of years after a decline of probably the better part of two almost two decades where we were at war, and we had, you know, one presidency that that drove us into the ground financially, another president that did not hold accountable anybody, and and just threw money at the problem, spent, I think, $10,000,000,000,000 in the years that that the Obama administration. And then you have, you know, the this this remarkable, very chaotic period of the Trump administration, where, you know, he he actually made a bunch of promises.
• 19:20
  He he fulfilled those promises, and he attacked the economic systems of the of The United States as well as the world. And he brought a strength back to The United States, which is our strength of innovation, our strength of creativity, and our strength of capitalism, which is a which is a a large component of why The US is so, so strong you know, has always been so strong financially. Now I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that we're, you know, we're on the brink of total financial collapse, but you know what? That's where my expertise falls, you know, or or or is there's a shortcoming because I don't know. And I do listen to other experts, and and Clay has spoken to a couple of these guys, where they do feel, know, that there's a real chance that we could see a, a financial disaster.
• 20:13
  And I think it's really it's not, like, something that's not controllable. I think it's actually controllable, and I think it's at the whim of some of these globalist elites. So I'll stop because I've been on a roll there because you got me all fired up. But and I'll throw it maybe back to back to you, Seth, or back to Clay.
• 20:29
  Seth Holehouse: Well, it's actually so I'll I'll kinda transition over to Clay because I wanted to ask him about that specifically because so, you know, General Flynn, you know, your book, five g warfare, right, which I recommend that people buy. You can find it on your website, generalFlynn.com. Don't support Amazon with that purchase. But you talk a lot about the Chinese Communist Party and their unrestricted warfare. And a big part of that UW is financial warfare.
• 20:58
  And so and this is why I wanna get, know, get, know, your thoughts, Clay, because what I'm seeing is that the the BRICS nation, China, Russia, etcetera, you know, pulling away all of the attention and loyalty that all the OPEC nations have to United States, which really is what, you know, gave us the the petrodollar status. Right? And so what I'm seeing is that they're pulling that away, you between the petro yuan, you know, their own currencies. You know, Russia obviously moving back their currency with gold. So and this is gonna jump into Clay.
• 21:30
  So, Clay, do you think that, a, what happens if they succeed in really pull you know, kinda kicking the US dollar out of that spot as the petrodollar? And what do you think their end goal with that is?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Well, just a quick history lesson for anybody out there that doesn't know this. Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, they teamed up together. That's the BRICS nations. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. That's 41% of the earth's population.
• 22:01
  Now the petrodollar has largely existed because of this relationship we have, which general Flynn can probably articulate more succinctly than I can. But America has had a relationship with Saudi Arabia where we've told the Saudi Arabians, hey. You guys can export oil to countries that we like at a price that makes sense, and please deposit a lot of your profits into the American economy, and we'll protect you militarily. That's that's my summary of that relationship. Well, the MBS, the current head of Saudi Arabia, he just said he's teaming up with China.
• 22:29
  So he's joining Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. So I would argue in general Flynn, I I mean, I'd love to get your thoughts on this. I would argue that the petro dollar no longer has the petro. I mean, what what gives us value because we've been off the the fee we've been off the gold standard since 1971. In 1971, America moved off the gold standard per the recommendation of Henry Kissinger.
• 22:50
  And in 1971, this guy, Klaus Schwab, started the World Economic Forum for the recommendation of Henry Kissinger. And the only thing keeping propping up the dollar since 1974 is the petrodollar. And Saudi Arabia has now left. They've said we're teaming up with Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. You have Venezuela, Iran, Turkey.
• 23:12
  Everybody, pretty much the vast majority of the earth's population is teaming up. And general Flynn, this central bank, digital currency that the Brix folks are wanting to roll out will be gold backed, and it's gonna be based in Shanghai. And this is a a not a positive development for people out there that are a big fan of America, of which I am a shameless proponent of America and capitalism and the freedoms that we've enjoyed here. But once we I I believe that Saudi Arabia teaming up with bricks was the nail in the coffin for the US dollar. That's how I perceive perceive it.
• 23:49
  General Flynn, perhaps you can clarify or or bevel what I'm saying with more accuracy. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Todd Callender: Well, a couple of things. So the central bank digital currency, and I also want people and I always always draw attention to the executive order one four zero six seven, which is about c d d c, central bank digital currency. It was it was published in March of this past year and x began to get executed here in December, and there's some there's some, you know, things in play right now where they're doing some testing of it. You know, when we when we talk about China and unrestricted warfare, unrestricted warfare is exactly what it means. It's a war without bounds.
• 24:31
  It doesn't mean that there's not a physical component to it where you challenge, you know, physically the Straits Of Taiwan or or or maybe you're you're, you know, you get behind a surrogate conflict somewhere else around the planet. You back Iran and its development of nuclear weapons, or you back some of these some of these nations in in the middle of Africa to just continue to sort of create strife and conflict. That's part of unrestricted warfare. You know? But there's also you know, it's it's the CCP strategy, the Chinese Communist Party strategy, it is a it is a global environment.
• 25:12
  It is a it's unrestricted warfare or war without bounds in a in a on a on a geo landscape of the entire globe. So when we talk about being able to do that, it doesn't mean that they have a know, China's got some got some internal problems right now, boy. And when when we are printing, when The United States Of America prints we we just been printing dollars, printing money, So it actually makes the value of our currency go way down. And I think other nations and other central banks of other nations where, you know, money is bought and sold on an international scale through through the central banking system, you know, it's it's a it's what a dollar is equal to the yuan or a dollar is equal to the British pound or whatever, you know, or the euro. You know?
• 25:58
  And, usually, the dollar is the strong offer of the of the commodities out there. And what we've seen is that has gotten far the strength of that of the US dollar is just not as but like it used to be principally because we've just allowed ourselves to print money like it's going out of style. I mean, this administration has already done a whole bunch of stuff to, I I don't I mean, I don't know how many trillion dollars we've we've printed since in just the last two years of this administration. So when we do that when we do that, we lessen the value of the dollar, and it moves us further and further away from, you know, this idea, this notion of the of the US dollar, you know, based on, you know, what they call the petrodollar. So where do we move?
• 26:41
  And this is this whole discussion. And and one of the crazy things is this FTX thing that I that I may have I think I mentioned at the beginning there. You know, this f this guy in in in Ukraine that was laundering money through, you know, cryptocurrency. I mean, one of the one of the negatives is and it's why that nobody's talking about this. Nobody's talking about this at all.
• 27:00
  The the mainstream is not talking about it because it sort of was a was an example of the of the the lack of value of cryptocurrency or the or the way it can be corrupted. And, but but what we're going to see is we're gonna see a lot of discussion in the coming months about how we need to move towards some other type of of e system of financial, you know, activities for the globe. Now is that the is that an EU one? Is it is it something else? Is it some other digital currency that you know?
• 27:37
  I mean, these people are talking about placing chips in our in our bodies to be able to to buy things. They're talking about controlling what you spend your money on. You know, of course, corporations are all being evaluated on this on this ESG score, right, the environmental, social, and governmental score, which which rates them. You know? So I can tell you there's a lot of there's a lot of very conservative, you know, businesses who are, that are actually very profitable and have done very well for America and and and only produce American goods.
• 28:12
  They they manufacture American goods, they sell American goods. And their ESG scores are really low. So which is not good according to the federal government. So if you got a you have a a really strong American company that's investing in in America and they have a low ESG score, what is the federal government gonna do? Like, so if you have a bad ESG score, what's what does that mean?
• 28:34
  And so these ESG scores, these are things that are coming out of our own government, and it's a but it is a globalist this globalist elite crowd that is setting these these these left and right limits for how we are going to act as human beings on this planet. And there there are going to be people, unelected officials. Remember, we're a republic. We elect, you know, our our our our representatives to go represent us in in whatever level, you know, local, state, and federal. And and, and I love the I love what we're seeing, play out today.
• 29:13
  Right now as we're talking, I'm watching the the US House Floor go through their vote. And I love this because it's like, this is this is America, you know, in the way it's supposed to work. There are people that are you know, will probably have the have, you know, the an outcome that's not as satisfying to everybody, but but this is the way it's supposed to be. There's supposed to be a debate. There's supposed to be discussion.
• 29:34
  And then we and then we choose a person by the majority, and we'll see what the end result is. It'll probably happen while we're on your on your show here. But the the bigger point is is that our financial system never mind our health system, our education system, our, hell, our military. You know? There's so many things that are at risk.
• 29:53
  But our financial system, if our economic system collapses or or it shifts in a way that people don't have control over the money that they the hard earned money that they've been making because their bank says, oh, sorry. The government's given us some just some restrictions now as to how you're gonna spend it because your carbon footprint just didn't meet it meet this month's Mhmm. You know, expectation. And so you've you've already gotten your allocation for gasoline or or whatever, or you don't have enough electric. You know?
• 30:25
  You you need to to to next time you buy a car, you're gonna have to buy an electric car, which, you know, talk about ridiculousness. So, you know, all that said is I'm very, very concerned that we are in a place where not enough Americans have really understood what it is that we're that we're facing. And and so part you know, back to the back to the book, you know, part of and this is just just one path. It is just one way to say to people, look. At least study.
• 30:55
  You know, study what it is that we're that we're putting out or study what it is that that, you know, we do say who the adversaries are. It's not your neighbor. Your adversary is not your neighbor. They the media and the propaganda machines have made it feel like our neighbors are our enemies, and that's not not the case. You know, Republicans and Democrats are not enemies.
• 31:15
  Republicans and Democrats, you know, are two parties in a two party in a system that we have in our country where, you know, one is supposed to be big government, the other is small government. One is more taxes, less taxes. But that's not what we have right now. We have a division in this country where there's a very small, body, and they are you know, we can get wrapped around the acts of communists or socialists or fascists, but there is a there is a direction that they are taking our country that is not the way our country was founded, and it is away from the foundation the foundational principles of our constitution. I mean, Clay on on Clay's and I forget exactly which website.
• 31:57
  It's probably time to freeAmerica.com Yep. Lays out a whole bunch of stuff about the new world order and the World Economic Forum. And, you know, you can go in. And, again, I it's like I I always tell people, don't listen to what I say. Go listen to them.
• 32:12
  I'm gonna pay very, very close attention to the upcoming World Economic Forum, which starts, I think, on the fifteenth of this month. Go for, you know, solid week. And they're gonna come out of there very upbeat. They're gonna be talking about the results of the g twenty summit. They're gonna talk about the direction that they're gonna take.
• 32:33
  The fourth industrial revolution is is moving just, you know, just spiffy. It's moving just just on the path that they want. In fact, we can maybe speed up a few things because we have now consensus from from, you know, the nations around the planet. And a lot of that consensus gets back to the original question, which is about the financial health or the financial system of The United States Of America. Are we still you know, is the US dollar still will it remain the currency of choice going forward?
• 33:05
  Will our language, the English language, be the language of choice for trade around the world? You know? Or is the whole thing transitioning and shifting to something different? As Clay said, you know, almost half the planet is represented in only a few countries that have already shifted part of their, part of their national significance into this BRICS. And and for those that aren't paying attention, the the Brazil, it looks like the communist Luna is is going to be the president down there.
• 33:42
  Yeah. So now you're gonna have a guy who's frankly he's anti American. I mean, he's he's a he's a communist. So you're you're gonna have an alignment, even stronger alignment now with the Brits because at least we had Bolsonaro in that in Brazil, and they were aligning. But Bolsonaro was more he had more capitalistic tendencies.
• 34:02
  And, and what I'm hearing is that is that Bolsonaro's probably gonna have to escape out of out of Brazil and and, and come to The United States and claim exile. And if if we don't allow him to do that, then somebody ought to just drop drop him off in Juarez, Mexico, and he can cross the border that way and get in. Probably probably
• 34:19
  Seth Holehouse: Probably easier.
• 34:19
  Todd Callender: You know, get a get a get a better paycheck. Yeah. So anyway.
• 34:24
  Seth Holehouse: So and you touched a lot of important points. I think that one thing for the American people, you look at, you know, how do we get to where we are. I think part of it is this massive pacification campaign and a distraction campaign. So, you know, because people I think a lot of Americans, you know, the three of us sitting here talking and the audience watching, we're on the same page. We know what's happening.
• 34:45
  We know where our country's ever. I think for a lot of people out there, it's just life as usual. They, you know, they're watching a football game. Oh, that guy fell, you know, fell over and had a massive heart attack. That's strange.
• 34:54
  Okay. You know, where's my beer? You know what mean? They're just they're looking for that next thing. But I think that, you know, part of it, and this is where I I I kinda struggle to find the balance of being someone that is really realistic about where we are and also kind of sugarcoating things because sometimes people say, oh, it's all doom and gloom and, you know, but I feel like that we have to be really realistic about where we are.
• 35:16
  And I guess, you know, coming from your military background, you understand what, you know, communist coups and overthrows look like and you you get all this. How how close do you think that we are to losing our country? I mean, how urgent is the situation right now?
• 35:34
  Todd Callender: Well, you know, if you if you understand how the nation was created by the various discussions of the founders as they as they, you know, talked in their own communities and then talked to each other over a long period of time. It wasn't, you know, on a three day weekend, they suddenly dreamed up the constitution. Right? So there's a lot of discussion, and and and it always came it always comes back to the, individual rights. Right?
• 36:02
  And and and then how we protect those individual rights through through a, a constitutional republic. So, I mean, how close are we? I don't know. What I do know is that, when I see, and I've been told that and this number may be right or wrong, but I've been told that that there are roughly 200,000 unfilled volunteer positions in republican, committees around the country. So those would be in county in counties.
• 36:33
  Right? So, like, republican executive committees that that respond to the republican party, because republican party is is is going through a transition right now. Excuse me. The so so if if that's the case, why aren't more people and and I will tell tell you that the positive thing in me is I I am seeing more and more people, step out of their homes and step and and even take the time out of their busy lives, which many of them are very busy, and they are now joining, at at these local community, clubs and such, right, particularly these Republican executive committees. I mean, in in Florida, which is where I'm at, we we have 67 counties.
• 37:22
  And I think right now, we have 30 so about half the counties, a little less than half the counties are now the chair the chairpersons of those committees are are what I would call America First, people. Right? It may be 27 or 30, but it's a it's a fair number. And and so Florida is taking a is going to be taking a leadership role, you know, among that crowd. And I think that that's a good thing.
• 37:49
  I think that's a healthy thing because people go America First, and they automatically associate that with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is make America great again. Right? That's been his thing, you know, and and and and that's his that's his stamp. America First has been around a long time.
• 38:05
  It is a governing philosophy. You know, it's about I mean, you know, American exceptionalism and the and the idea of America First. And and there is a philosophy that says, look. You have to take care of your house first. Right?
• 38:19
  I mean, if you're gonna go out for the night and, you know, and you're in a neighborhood, especially with crime rising these days, you know, you're gonna go walk. You're gonna go to door. You're gonna make sure that you, you know, you do do the right things before you drive drive down to go to a to go get a bite to eat or or even sometimes just go get gas. But, you know, we don't think about that from you know, you take it up a notch. We don't think about that to to for our country.
• 38:45
  I mean, we we're not locking the the the the doors of our southern border. We're just letting the criminals come in. And so like I mentioned, the Department of Homeland Security just issued a security alert saying we should be expecting another al Qaeda level nine eleven type attack. I mean, what is that? Where is that coming from?
• 39:03
  Where like, all of a sudden? I mean, I hope that that doesn't happen. Now god forbid that it happens, but but you can't you can't say something like that and go, oh, the the southern border is just fine. So so the positive message is for for people at county levels because counties are really you know, we're we have about 3,100 counties. There's probably one to 200 that really matter that do that do matter more than others.
• 39:30
  And it's not to say that the counties out in the hinterlands of the country don't matter. You do. But but, but there are there are those that have a lot of precincts and a lot of voters, and they it's like it's like the example of Maricopa County out in Arizona. Look what look what a a a poor example of what a county can do to damage, the confidence of the American people in the entirety of our election system. So that's why it's so important for people to get involved and take time.
• 39:59
  I mean, it it maybe it takes once a month to go to a meeting. Maybe it takes reading a couple of and charters for the local level. Maybe I mean, I'm so, I'm so happy when I see moms, particularly moms, but parents going to school board hearings and, in some cases, running running for school board and taking back the school system in our at the public of our public education at the local level. It's not gonna happen. I mean, as I sit here and and I'm watching C SPAN on my on my iPhone, I apologize for for for double tasking myself here, but as I sit here, Washington DC is so broken.
• 40:40
  It's so broken. You know, I I'm glad about the debates that are going on, but that's not gonna solve the problems that we have at home. And at home we're how we're gonna solve the problems is I and I use the phrase, Seth, you heard me say this, local action equals national impact. That is such a powerful message that, frankly and I don't even know where I got it. I just I think I read it one day, I said, wow.
• 41:07
  It just, like, hit me like a rock. And so to me, it's like that's that's what we have to do. And when when whenever we make these decisions, you know, about leaders in our country, we then have to hold their feet to the fire. And the and those of us at the local level, we can hold our county elected officials because we can see them. We can go to the meetings.
• 41:30
  We can show up to school boards. We can show up to to the to the various things that that are gonna happen in our local level. Not everybody can go to Washington DC and watch some debate. Not everybody can go to the State Capitol and watch some debate. But you can go to your local level by just, you know, maybe getting in there.
• 41:45
  If you're from a big county, it might take you an hour to get to the county seat, but but you can do it. That's that and and, frankly, I I will shut up here after saying it's this is my my generation's responsibility more than than yours or or Clay Clark's generation and certainly not the generation of my my grandchildren. This is this is an older generation's responsibility because we were given a a beautiful country, and we've been apathetic and and lazy. And I, you know, and I I'll put myself in there, but I you know, because I'm just generalizing. But we we cannot be that way anymore.
• 42:27
  We now have to, like I say, stand up, step up and and and really speak up for what it is that we're trying to do, which is to save this country from changing and transitioning into something that, frankly, a large body of of other people or nations on the planet and definitely a globalist elite want us to transition to, which is this fourth industrial revolution.
• 42:54
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. Clay, I'll give you I'll let you respond to that.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just wanted to to point out, something, and I'm gonna play a little clip here. I was general Flynn, I spent some time, you know, during, the the New Year's, New Year's Eve, that weekend. You know, spent some time what I what I've been doing here, just tell people, I'm waking up at 3AM every day, going nonstop till six every single day. Project Save America.
• 43:17
  That's my normal flow. My wife and I went out, I spent some time with people that are not in the fight on a daily basis that are conservatives. They all voted for Trump. They all voted for the Republicans, etcetera. And there's about 10 people.
• 43:29
  You can picture the scene. And one guy and there's three I kept hearing the same three theme themes, and I thought I'd report this back to the general and to your audience because this is where we're at. Okay? These are conservatives, and they go, I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, we got this. Right?
• 43:44
  So imagine you're in a huddle on a foot on on a football field. Right? And you're down to buy, 47 points headed into halftime. Yes. It is possible to get caught up and to win the game.
• 43:57
  It is possible, but we're not going right. No. We're going, we have to dial in now. We have to get laser focused to quote general Flynn on Steve Bannon the other day. You gotta get laser focused.
• 44:11
  So so I was telling these guys, and they're saying, how bad is it? And I'm they're like, well, honestly, can you tell us? And I said, all I can tell you is I hit I speak to general Flynn. I speak to Cash Patel. I speak to Eric Trump.
• 44:22
  I speak to Mike Lindell. I speak to people that talk to president Trump on a daily basis. And I call him the president because I voted for him. I know he's not currently the president, but then then there's a second group that go, I mean but, mean, there's a a plan at work. Right?
• 44:35
  Because it's like we're gasping now for and we're looking for something because it's like, we got this. Right? And I go, no. We don't. The central bank digital currencies are being piloted right now by the New York Fed and America's major banks.
• 44:48
  That's happening right now, not in the future. It's happening now. And they go, but there's a plan, right, that you can't tell us. And I said, there's not a plan that I can tell you, but you and it's group three. I go, you are the plan.
• 45:02
  And they kinda look around the room like, me? I'm the plan. What do you mean I'm the plan? Said, you have the financial capacity and the tenacity needed to wake up your friends and family. Now this is a true story.
• 45:15
  In comes the democrat. True story. And a guy starts waving at me like, nope. Nope. Nope.
• 45:20
  And I'm looking around like, And the guy I talked to me says, Clay, there's a guy coming in in just a minute to his party. He's a hardcore democrat, and we don't wanna offend him. And I go, excuse me. They go, if you start talking about, what's in the shots and the CBDCs, he's gonna say you're a conspiracy in that. And I said, great.
• 45:39
  So I just kept talking at the same way I was talking before. Democrat walks into the room and start talking about you know, he starts kinda you could and I could tell most people just wanted to, hey, everybody. Let's watch the football game because they don't wanna have that conflict. And I'm just telling you what you're gonna see right now. I'm gonna play this audio clip.
• 45:58
  Okay? The agenda of the great reset. I'm quoting the the the CEO and the founder of Quant, which is the technology of the central bank digital currencies. He says we need a nonbinary currency. What?
• 46:14
  We have and they and some of these Democrats want nonbinary kids. What? So in the Bible, in the book of James, it says that a a double minded person is unstable in all of their ways. So there is a right and a wrong, a left and a right, an a and a b, a pro freedom, a non pro freedom. So I want people to listen to this Tucker Carlson, who's a very serious journalist, I would put you in that category too, Seth, who's a serious journalist committed to the craft, and he's been very balanced and accurate when covering general Flynn.
• 46:47
  He invited a guest on his show. I'm gonna play this audio clip for you. A guy by name of Max Keiser. Some people like him, some people don't. But Tucker says, how do the central bank digital currencies work?
• 46:57
  It is fine. And I want people to listen to what he says. Here we go.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: They're gonna bypass the banking system. One of the reasons why they're doing this is because the banks once again need to be bailed out. But the feds are gonna let the banks swing in the wind, and they're gonna go directly to the consumer, and you're gonna get your money directly from the central banks. They're not gonna be bailed out this time. The Feds gonna say, you're out.
• 47:17
  We're gonna go directly to consumer. Here's a CBDC. This programmable money is centralized money is no different than fiat money. And the tricks that you can do with it are insanely dystopian. And we already know this is happening in China.
• 47:31
  They already have an aversion of this social credit scores, etcetera. But, you know, for example, you know, you'll get your CBDC, and, it'll say, it's good for until 2024. This money that you just earned, it expires.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: This is Richard. Now listen to this. Catherine Austin Fitz sits down with a gentleman and says, how does the central bank digital currency work? Listen to this.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Werner, the top academic scholar in the world on central banking. He wrote the book and did the documentary, the princess of the yen, about the Japanese central bank. Here he is in Malmo, Sweden in May.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: The nature of the CBDC, what what is it actually gonna look like? They never talk about that. But I heard one European central banker tell me what it's gonna look like. He saw it to one of the old central banks in Europe that are very much promoting this, and they showed him. And, you know, he's he's a top, you know, executive director of another central bank in Europe, and there's no reason to believe that he was telling me a story.
• 48:40
  And it was around this this large, and it would be implanted under your skin.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: So you might have missed what happened Wednesday afternoon at the Fed. This is Glenn Beck. But they started their CBDC. Maybe we should start having the conversation of this just looks like the mark of the beast. So I can just say this at this little microcosm that is my life there, Seth.
• 49:11
  I left my reawaken America tour bubble, and I I I do this every day, by the way. I pick up my kids from cheerleading. I meet these people. And I told them, you are the plan. You're the plan.
• 49:23
  I said, quote general Flynn, local action makes a national impact, and there is no white hat reinforcement secret plan coming to save us. And the central bank digital currencies are being tested right now. And every single person in that room, all of them, every single person did not know what I just said. They all were like, what? And their minds were blown.
• 49:49
  And then in comes the democrat. This is a very outspoken, very, you know, woke guy. And they all were like, he's coming. I don't know if I wanna offend him. We've I'm going, I will not stop.
• 49:59
  So this guy, he he starts coming with what what guys, what are we talking about? Like, what we're talking about is central bank digital currencies. Now they're being rolled out, and it's a programmable currency. You can turn on or off the way you can turn off someone's social media, and it would be the end of financial freedom, and it's being promoted by and being promoted by China, and it's being promoted by Ukraine. That's what we're talking about.
• 50:17
  He's like, that's a conspiracy. I said, you struggle with reality. So I said, to his face, I'm just being real. And he walked off, and everyone was like, wish I would have said that. I want to say that to him twenty years ago.
• 50:31
  You know? But, I mean, that's where we're at. Yeah. So I think it's a detachment from reality, Seth, is what a lot of people are struggling with. The the profundity of the evil is so
• 50:42
  Todd Callender: massive. Their words. It's in their words, and this is what I want your audience to understand. Yeah. Everything that Clay is talking about and the and we've been talking about for a long time.
• 50:52
  This is in their word. This is in the words of the people that that, as we just heard in some of that tape, but there are also members. And some of the members of the World Economic Forum are actually people like, prime ministers and world leaders, right, and and other members of cabinets and and government officials that have and frankly, organizations that are unelected, but they're world organizations like World Trade, World Health, World Bank, the IMF, you know, the European Union. So these are all unelected officials, and they're all but they're all they're all part and parcel of the same mindset when it comes to what we're talking about. And, frankly, they talk they they talk specifically about this.
• 51:38
  These aren't conspiracy theories. And so they're you know, like we say, there's no there's no, you know, white hat Calvary that's gonna you know? I mean, I believe in miracles. I believe you know, I follow Jesus. I've I believe in in, I have a very strong faith.
• 51:55
  I it's a very intimate part of my life. But I, I know I just know that part of of who we are and what we have to do and I'm certain that it's, you know, people that are, you know, that are much better about the the intricacies and, you know, the specificities of the bible. You know, there's there's there's points in there that talk about what we must do in times of of trouble, in times of of struggle and sacrifice. And I think we're in one of those places, and that's why I say, you know, my my thing is just get involved. I mean, I I'll I'm involved in my local level.
• 52:31
  I joined my local county Republican executive committee. I'm I'm trying to, you know, make sure that I go to the meetings. And if I if I see something that I don't like, I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know, work work to change it. I, you know, I volunteered to be a poll greeter and a poll watcher, and and I'm gonna do the same thing every time something like that comes up, you know, despite all the other things that I have going on in my life. But but I feel like I I have to put my words into action, and that's kinda what I'm doing.
• 53:00
  So, you know, we'll see. We'll we'll see how we I I do think, or I do I do strongly believe that I'm I'm very happy to be alive during this period of time, this period of history, and I feel like I feel like I'm here for a reason. You know? Because otherwise, don't know why I'm here. I you know, Clay mentioned something that I said the other day, and I wrote about this.
• 53:25
  You know? This is not I'm not going around. I didn't go around, you know, the a couple days ago going, happy New Year. Happy New Year. Happy New Year.
• 53:32
  I'm I'm like, no. I want people to be you know, go lose some weight or, you know, go get your you know, go do more physical fitness or no. I want people to be absolutely laser focused on what they can do, what they can control in their lives. And it's usually as close to your it's always it's like the metaphor that I use. What most people are concerned about is what's 50 feet from their door.
• 53:57
  And so I want people to really understand how you can impact your local community in in whatever way is possible. You know? And it's like I wrote about in a in an article I wrote the other day. You know, if you're not getting out of your church what you want, go find another church just because it's the closest one to your door. If they're just in there spewing, you know, the same old, you know, same old, you know, go find go go drive across town and find a find a leader in that's standing on the pulpit talking about the goodness of America and the goodness of the bible and the goodness of of your faith and and how they are intersected, how they connect, that's when you'll start to really feel like, okay.
• 54:42
  I'm I'm taking more control over my own life, and now I think I can do more for my community. Therefore, you will have an impact at the national level. Trust me. You you will feel that way.
• 54:54
  Seth Holehouse: So and I I couldn't agree more. I mean, that's the thing is that even if you look at food production. Right? You know, you know, growing a garden, and you talk about that in your book, you know, growing a garden, you know, building your more sustainable resiliency around you. And so I think that that's ultimately what it comes back to is really just developing self reliance again as a nation.
• 55:14
  Right? If you go back to our grandparents or great grandparents that survived the Great Depression, they made it through because they knew how to can, they knew how to garden, they knew how to hunt, they knew how to fish, they knew how to mend their clothes. And we've lost a lot of that, so we have to get that back because I think that's what they want to do to us again, except they want to do it to us at a time when no one knows how do that stuff anymore. That way the government can come in and say, here's your handout in exchange for your digital ID, digital passport, vaccine passport, etcetera. You know, so we're kind of nearing the hour, but one question I do have for you, Flynn, and this is more as relates to understanding the military.
• 55:50
  There's this idea of devolution. Right? And I looked into it probably a year and a half ago research, and it's founded a lot of interesting concepts, and it there's a lot of kind of real things that look like they took place. But the the further similar to the whole Q idea, the further things got along, especially since Biden got in, the less and less it's I can look at this and say that, yeah, there is actually some group that's still in control. And that idea of evolution is really based upon the idea that the military, there is a military that's still running things behind the scene that is going to, at some point, announce that they've actually been in control all along and that all this bad stuff that's happened, like the excuse I keep hearing people say is that they say, oh, it's necessary to wake people up.
• 56:33
  It's like we have people, you know, being forced to take, you know, the vaccine mandates. We've got the what's happening with the dollar. We have, you know, the Afghanistan debacle. We have all this stuff happening. You know, we have kids, football players dying, you know, playing on field, and yet people just go back to that same idea.
• 56:48
  Well, people need to see how bad it is before they wake up, and pretty soon the military is gonna come So, I mean, you understand the military very well. I mean, is there is there some
• 56:57
  Todd Callender: group in the There's nothing to that. There No. So so there's nothing from what I from what I know and and, you know, and I I do I should know more than the than the than the, you know, the normal person just because of the experiences that I've had. But, you know, if there if there is a body of people like that, they all need to be fired because the plan sucks. Okay?
• 57:21
  And and and so, you know, and, honestly, I don't I don't follow any of that stuff because it's sheer nonsense. I follow reality. I follow facts. I make my own judgments. I do my own analytics.
• 57:38
  I I have, you know, literally decades and decades of experience internationally, in combat, in the military, in the intelligence community, in government, with my own, educational background. And so I feel very confident in in how I analyze something and and the and the judgments that I make. And so that's what I follow. I follow the reality of what we're facing. Yeah.
• 58:08
  You know? I mean, I again, I just I, you know, I just I think that the I feel I feel sorry that there's people that believe that because those are people that are wasting, frankly, your time, my time, and their own time because Now we're we're we're in a we're in a tough spot.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: I wanna interject one thing. We're we're we're all gonna be going to the Reawaken America tour in Nashville coming up here in three weeks. And I'll say the speakers I mean, Liz Crockett, who, general Flynn introduced me to, is a very serious, committed investigative journalist. She broke the very uncomfortable truth about the Podesta emails, the very uncomfortable truth about Pizzagate. That's a tough wow.
• 58:49
  But, I mean, she'll wake you up right there. Okay? So Liz Croakin, you got Michael Lindell. He's gonna wake you up to election fraud. It's a tough it's a tough thing to hear.
• 58:57
  Uncomfortable truth. Eric Trump will talk to you about what it's like to be subpoenaed every day, and it's a tough thing. It's a tough thing to say your family gets attacked relentlessly. General Flynn will explain to you what's happening America from a geopolitical and local level. You have doctor Tenpenny explains to you what's going on to people who put these shots in their body.
• 59:16
  Although they were tricked and duped and coerced, now they're having myocarditis. They're having in sync. We're talking four foot long blood clots are showing up in adults. I'm not exaggerating the number. Four foot long blood clots, myocarditis, infertility.
• 59:31
  So these are all gonna be uncomfortable truths. But if you can handle the truth, if you want to know the truth, I would recommend we have just under 200 tickets to the Reawaken America tour in Nashville. Just under 200 tickets remaining. And when you go to timetofreeAmerica.com, if you do use promo code man America, it does two things for you. One, you have about a one and a hundred chance to win a backstage pass.
• 59:52
  That's kind of exciting. So we have 200 tickets left. So if you buy a ticket and use promo code man in America, you get a chance to win a backstage pass. Two, if you use promo code man in America, use promo code man in America, you can attend the meet and greet event, and you're gonna meet all these people. What you're gonna find, there's no, we don't there's no time for showiness and and bogusness and and fakeness, and I don't even know what that is.
• 1:00:12
  That false hopium narrative. These people will give you the real truth. And because about about halfway through day one, you're gonna go, uh-oh. We do baptisms on Friday night, and we have pastors that do baptisms. And I'm telling you, if you wanna recommit with to God and get reconnected, you can do that.
• 1:00:31
  There's a meet and greet, and there's, 4,000 emotionally stable patriots to go down that journey with you. And I will tell you, it will be life changing. When you hear Liz Crokin talk to you, just that talk alone. Are you or Jim Brewer talk to you about the deep state Hollywood? I mean, you're gonna laugh for cry, but you're gonna react to it.
• 1:00:49
  We we need to wake up America.
• 1:00:50
  Seth Holehouse: And when and where is that again, Clay?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: January twentieth and twenty first January twentieth and twenty first at, pastor Greg Locke's church, the first pastor that I know of to roll out a reverse mask mandate. He said, you cannot perpetuate the lie and wear a mask at my church if you want to attend. You can't do it. So, again, that's Nashville, Tennessee, January Twentieth And 20 First. And I often forget to mention this, but you can name your price.
• 1:01:12
  So you can pay whatever price you wanna pay. General Flynn and I, our heart is to help reawaken America. It does cost money to put these things on, but we want everyone to be able to afford these events. So you just go to timetofreeAmerica.com. You can name your price.
• 1:01:25
  And so many speakers like general Flynn and Eric Trump and Cash Patel, they come out there and shake hands. So it's a great chance to meet some of the people you've been, praying for and cheering on. And I would just say this, Seth, I appreciate your accurate, serious approach to journalism
• 1:01:40
  Todd Callender: I do.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Because you you have always been a consistent, accurate pursuer of the truth even when it's uncomfortable. And I really do appreciate that about about you.
• 1:01:50
  Todd Callender: Go on. Seth. I I I feel the same.
• 1:01:53
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, I appreciate it. It means a lot coming from both of you. And I think, you know, look, if if, you know, considering the fact that we are in a a psychological war of narratives information, I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: think that
• 1:02:04
  Seth Holehouse: questioning everything, digging, looking under the rocks, and really I think a big part of that is not forming a preconceived idea that you frame the world in. We have to be able to go back to almost like a blank slate to understand what's happening, because I think for a lot of people, form this fixed notion of what's going on, and that gets in our way. So but yeah, I encourage all the people that are watching, go to timetofreeAmerica.com and call in, book your ticket. Like Clay said, name your price. Also, yep, let's go ahead and talk about this.
• 1:02:37
  So General Flynn's recent book, five GW, fifth generation warfare. Let me bring up the website. So generalFlynn.com is the website here. So generalFlynn.com. And then you click on this, you've got the you can buy the book directly from him.
• 1:02:53
  Don't go get it at Amazon ideally. And you've got two different copies. There's a regular copy and the autographed copy. So I highly recommend it. I I couldn't recommend it more actually because it's a it's it's like a field manual for how to save our nation.
• 1:03:09
  It's about understanding what kind of war that we're in and how to fight back against that war. So I I thank you, General Flynn, for putting that together. It's a very important tool for people right now.
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  Todd Callender: Thank you very much.
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  Seth Holehouse: That's a great
• 1:03:20
  Todd Callender: great show.
• 1:03:21
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you guys very much. It's always a pleasure to have you.