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#286 - Identiverse 2024: The Kim Cameron Award Winners · Identity at the Center

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  Doing great. All right, I've got a list of
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  So it's been great, great being at it, Diverse, seeing so many
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  Here's things that people have come up and talk to me about #1
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  Maybe it was you. People really liked that.
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  We're able to solve that dilemma.
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  Atlanta, you smell great. I can subscribe.
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  So why don't we get to it before we do that, Watch out to RSM
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  Cybers defiance. So what's are making all those
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  possible? They've got this extravagant
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  room for us to be able to record in and RSM for weeks out here.
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  I have found a lot of people don't really know that we work
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  for RSM. Yeah.
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  So a lot of people are like, oh, I thought you just did the
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  podcast like I wish. Or no, no we.
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  Work for RSM, so we do a good job of trying to keep this out.
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  This is under neutral. We don't do commercials, that
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  kind of thing. So why don't we get right to it?
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  We've got a very big panel here, probably the largest show we've
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  ever done, I believe. We've got directors for the
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  Digital Identity Advancement Foundation, DIAF dot link.
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  We've got Ian Blazer, Aaron Crowe and Alan Foster welcome
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  guys. And then we've got the Kim
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  Cameron Award winners. We've got Sophie, Benoni, Taylor
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  and Matthew Spence welcome everybody to the show.
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  Thanks for having us. Thanks for taking the time.
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  We're going to get to you guys in a second and really the focus
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  shows we're going to be kind of on your guys journey to get
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  here. But to set the stage, let's talk
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  about the Digital Identity Advancement Foundation.
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  Why don't we just start with what is the Digital Identity
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  Foundation? Do you want to take a crack?
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  Sure. So thanks for having us.
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  It means a lot. The support is really great.
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  So Diop is a digital identity advancement foundation.
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  It's a 5O1C3 non profit focused on creating more opportunities
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  for people globally to study and learn and explore digital
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  identity primarily, at least to start.
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  The way we're doing that is through the removal of financial
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  barriers, so being able to bring people to industry events that
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  they normally wouldn't be able to.
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  Otherwise, that's a great motion.
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  I love it. I want to find out more about
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  how we can contribute out and go to you next.
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  We'll talk about that and we are recording live so we're going to
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  come in. There's our friend Dave Heyday.
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  So how do we contribute to diet? Well, basically get hold of us
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  and give us money. Then there's ways to do that.
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  So we've got a link if you go to DIF dot link slash donate that
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  brings up a web page and we can get some money in that way.
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  Also, if you have other ideas or other ways you want to be able
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  to do it, you can always send us an e-mail and then we probably
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  put the e-mail address into the the notes underneath because
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  it's a nice long one. Turns out all of the identity
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  domain names were sort of gone. Like.
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  For all your money. But we do have an e-mail address
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  that for those contending questions or comments or ideas
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  for other rewards and things like that.
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  And obviously the donate link up on the website is probably the
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  easiest way to get into that. Alan deserve minimum donation.
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  No, great question. We haven't gotten there yet.
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  I mean, everything works right? And everything helps.
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  Obviously too small of a donation becomes.
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  Well, if someone would do $10 or something, they could do that.
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  That's great. That's great.
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  Yeah, that's great. OK.
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  Aaron, what's the Kim Cameron Award?
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  What does this say? So the Kim Cameron Award is one
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  of our two awards and specifically designed to help
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  people that are newer in their careers or maybe discovering
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  identity at a later stage in their careers have access to
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  great events like these identivers, which are
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  foundational for so many people's professional networks
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  that they build, as well as skill building access to a lot
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  of other great resources here. But as he mentioned, these
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  expenses can be quite costly, especially for folks that maybe
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  they haven't landed their first job yet or they're in the first
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  year, maybe they're the company isn't sponsoring them to go.
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  So the Kim Cameron An Award is designed to remove the barriers
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  so that more people can come and access these great resources.
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  And this is the first of these awards.
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  Or has. There been one, Was there one?
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  Well, so Open ID Foundation about three years ago created
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  the award. Yeah, it would have been about
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  three years ago. And so they originally educated
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  this award in in Kim's memory because he was such a big part
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  of Open ID Foundation and his work.
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  Last summer, the then executive director, Don Tebow approached
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  Alan and I and said, hey, we want a proper home for this
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  thing, right? Like Open ID Foundation's got a
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  whole different mission. We love doing this, but it's not
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  a focus. And so Ellen and I started
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  talking to a bunch of other organizations like Penny Pro and
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  WID, and Katara started to figure out like, what was the
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  best way to structure this. And out of that, we've decided
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  to create a new nonprofit charity, which is what we did.
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  And so this is the first year that DAF has been operating the
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  award and looking forward to many years to come.
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  That's excellent. I think that, you know, Kim
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  Cameron was just such a a legend within this piece.
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  I knew that term gets overused sometimes, but I remember my
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  first identity conference was the Digital ID World conference.
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  And that was like O5 when he came, he just moved to Microsoft
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  and just published the laws of identity.
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  And it was like, I mean, I, I look at the laws of identity
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  every couple of years just to, you know, get blown away by how
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  relevant they still are. I mean, the guy was way ahead of
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  the rest of us. Yeah.
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  I I look at those laws every couple of years too, just in
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  case there's a quiz, right? I just want to make sure it's
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  cool. Don't remove my card.
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  Do we need to update those laws with AI now?
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  Not with AI, no. Although it is as you say, we're
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  looking at it 15 years later and it's still very relevant for
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  each and every one of the laws. It's still where what we need to
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  be able to look at. And so it is amazing how
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  relevant they have stayed all throughout the the 1520 years
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  we've been working within the space.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  So the focus of the episode is to talk to Matt and Sophie.
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  And I'd like to kind of start with how did you, what's your
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  origin story? How did you find yourself
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  pursuing a career? A degree in cybersecurity and
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  hopefully a career in digital identity.
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  So I started out studying cyber security in university.
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  I went to text Sam and was heavily involved in the
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  burgeoning at the time, cyber security program there.
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  And one summer I was an intern working in a security operations
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  center and got really bored because I was waiting on the
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  engineering team to get me like an API from an internal pool for
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  like a month. And so I just started like
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  researching things, cool things about security.
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  And the one that stuck with me immediately was identity.
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  So I kind of just was fascinated from there and ended up working
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  at a digital identity startup called Everyone and eventually
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  found my way into the United States Senate as a technology
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  policy adviser, which was quite a journey.
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  Yeah, definitely want to hear more about that, so.
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  Yeah. So I fell into digital identity
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  kind of by accident, which since being here I found out it was a
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  very common journey. So I was working at a tech
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  consultancy doing digital ethics consulting in a practice that I
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  have Co found. And the company mentioned that
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  they were kind of interested in this thing called digital
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  identity. And I had the complete luxury of
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  just having like several weeks for over a month just to kind of
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  spend all my time figuring out like what it was, what standards
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  were happening, what the regulation was, what kind of
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  national case studies were looking like.
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  And yeah, I was just completely hooked.
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  I, I couldn't believe that was something I didn't know about
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  before. So since then I've spent pretty
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  much all my time kind of researching around this area of
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  digital ID. That's awesome.
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  And so now you're here at Identverse on the biggest
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  conferences within the industry, wondering what kind of
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  experience have you had so far on certain?
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  Surprising welcoming. It's a lot bigger than what it
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  was going to be, which has been awesome to see.
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  And just the the the amazing degree to which this is such a
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  welcoming community. Everybody's super nice.
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  We're getting invited to things. People that we've never met
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  before are just coming up and talking to us and they're
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  telling us all these things and giving us so much awesome
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  information. It's been really great.
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  Have you picked up any of the swag and got ready to giveaways
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  at the boots? So I actually won.
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  There's the scratch off card. So I thought they're all losers.
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  No, I actually bought hats and so yeah, I, I still need to pick
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  that up. My scratch off card was a
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  winner. And then I did I, I will admit
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  to going a little bit of doing a little bit of swag hunting on
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  the Expo floor. OK.
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  Do you get anything really memorable?
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  Some some good T-shirts and and I think a pair of socks.
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  Yeah, for what I hear there's there's some fans sneakers
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  floating out there, so. On my.
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  Own best. Swag that I've picked up, I
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  couldn't. You can't, Enrique, talk to me
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  as that one for sure. I have a collection of of
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  conference swag, so. OK, yeah.
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  I mean, it's a, it's a life's journey and eventually you get
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  to the point where you're to conferences and you don't want
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  any of it. But Sophie, how have you enjoyed
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  the conference so far? Yeah, I have to echo Matt.
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  It's been so welcoming and from the start, like it's, it's a bit
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  intimidating coming into such a big space, not really knowing
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  many people at all. But it's just been such a
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  friendly community. You know, I've really enjoyed
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  the mix of having the kind of big stage keynotes, which are
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  really exciting and kind of think a lot about the future in
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  the big picture, and then these more intimate conversations
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  about the kind of day-to-day and yeah, what people are doing on
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  the ground. It's amazing how deep they get
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  sometimes. You swag hunting as well.
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  I'm sorry hunting but now I'm finding out I'm not being that
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  successful. So yesterday, well yesterday I
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  picked up a bag of coffee which I thought was like the best swag
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  and I smelled like coffee all day.
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  But now I'm in there's vans so. Important things.
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  Did you leave space to bring this stuff home?
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  That's the working mistake, right?
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  Did you collect all the swag and then all of a sudden you're that
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  person in the airport that has like the duct tape around their
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  suitcase trying to get it all into the overhead that clearly
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  is not gonna fit so that. Might end up being.
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  What's been the most impactful or I guess important thing thing
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  you wanna take away that you've heard throughout this entire
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  conference? So for SO, let's stick with you.
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  Yeah, I found for me, I don't come from a kind of
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  cybersecurity background at all. I've thought a lot more about
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  digital identity as a form of enablement, particularly in the
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  kind of International Development sector.
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  So it's been really interesting to learn more about the
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  relationship between enablement and security and how you can
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  make sure that people can access what they need to access,
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  perhaps things they've never accessed before, but in a way
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  that really protects them and protects the organization that's
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  doing that so that it can be more sustainable.
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  So yeah, that's been a really useful entry point for me.
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  So someone who wasn't in Digital Identity and now you are, what
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  did you think Digital Identity was before you attended this or
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  got more involved with Digital Identity?
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  I mean, before I knew about what it was, I think I really had no
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  idea. And, and it's been interesting.
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  I did a research Sprint two years ago now, I think with the
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  Buckman Klein Center at Harvard. And then there were
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  conversations around, you know, how you present yourself online,
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  what information you share, what photos you have.
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  And there can be this really philosophical view of what
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  digital identity is. And I think that's still true.
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  But there are also kind of much more grounded ways of thinking
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  about it and what kind of innovations can come about to
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  make sure that kind of verify trusted information can be
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  shared in a really secure way. So I think relating those
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  different levels is is kind of a useful thing to get from this.
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  Matt, what's something that's really impacted you this week?
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  I think listening to some of the talks, especially those that are
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  about the direct impact and kind of the customer journeys that
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  people go through with deploying some digital identity technology
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  has been really impactful. I'm a technical guy, software
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  engineering, cyber security analysts.
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  It's really easy for me to get bogged down in the details of
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  the implementation without and lose focus on the people that
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  are at the end of the products and the services.
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  So I think that's helped to really ground my understanding
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  of why we do all of this, which is something that, you know, in
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  the back of my mind is always there.
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  It's kind of why I'm interested in this.
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  But again, it's so easy to get. I mean, I'm a nerd, right?
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  I really like the technical stuff.
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  It's just so easy to lose sight of what this is all for.
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  And so some of that has been very powerful.
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  You guys were the award recipients for the Kim Cameron
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  Award. And I'm wondering, and that will
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  start with you, how did you hear about the award and what was the
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  submission process of mocking kind of get detailed enough so
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  that other folks figure out, OK, here's how I go about something
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  like this? So in my case, like any good
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  former congressional staffer, I have a crippling Twitter
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  addiction. And so I heard about it because
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  from some of my previous work in digital identity, I was just
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  kind of, I was at the edge of a lot of those circles.
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  And so it, it popped across my Twitter feed one day and I, I
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  just clicked the link and I went to Twitter.
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  I switched X now. Yeah.
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  So I will always be calling you Twitter though.
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  And I would just say that the application process was, was,
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  was very, I think straightforward.
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  You know, if you can find the link, you have all the resources
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  that you really need. It's it's more about
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  understanding what to put into the submission, talking about
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  your journey and really what you'll get out of the out of the
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  award. Great.
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  Same question. Can you send me?
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  Yeah, So most of the time I'm a PhD student focusing on digital
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  ID, but part time. I also work with Oax and
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  Identity Exchange. And part of that job is kind of
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  scouring the news for what's happening in digital ID every
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  day. So really luckily doing that.
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  And then I also found out about this award.
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  So similarly, I think I'd recommend just like having a
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  list of accounts or people whose work you're inspired by to
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  follow and look at on a on a regular basis.
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  So yeah, kind of stumbled across it, but kind of by immersing
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  myself in that space. And similarly, I think it was
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  quite an an easy process. Like Matt, I also thought a lot
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  about not only why I want to go, but what I can do with this.
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  I mean, it's a huge privilege to get to come here.
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  And so thinking about what we can do with this and get more
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  people excited. Absolutely.
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  So Matt, you had mentioned about this Senate fellowship.
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  I'd like to dig into that a little bit more, maybe get more
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  of an explanation. What was that all about?
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  That sounds. Pretty unique, yeah.
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  So going from a software engineer straight into being a
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  policy advisor in the Senate is not a very typical journey.
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  And I came into that through nonprofit program called Tech
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  Congress that places early and mid career technologists in the
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  United States Congress on for anywhere from about eight months
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  to a year to help fill the knowledge gap that exists.
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  Because, you know, a lot of the Congress is very old.
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  Not a lot of them have technology backgrounds and not a
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  lot of their staffers have technology backgrounds either.
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  A lot of the staff tends to be people who are are are or have
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  studied law and things like that, which is very useful.
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  But when you're dealing with technology, there's no
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  substitute for that real world expertise.
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  And I wanted to try to address some of the barriers to digital
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  identity adoption that come through the policy side.
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  So that was kind of why I took that, that journey it's.
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  Very good, very unique. And also, I should say, tech
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  Congress hope opens up for applications at tech Congress
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  dot IO on a regular basis. I think twice a year, not as
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  much this year because it's an election year.
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  And that ends up being really weird.
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  If they put a fellowship, if your fellowship extends into the
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  middle of an election, you could lose your job halfway through,
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  which is not ideal. But starting next year, they'll
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  be. They'll be doing those
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  applications again regularly. And anybody from with any kind
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  of a technology background can be there.
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  It's a direct path to have a really big impact.
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  Yeah, what I think is really cool about the whole thing is,
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  so my son is a cyber major freshman, just finished his
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  freshman year, and it feels like, you know, going from an
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  engineering background to kind of feel like just like a regular
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  person. Now all of a sudden you're in
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  the Senate Fellowship. That's a pretty cool experience,
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  right? It is.
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  And it's what's cool about it is that is that it's like, it's
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  crazy and it's wild and that you learn so much.
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  But it's also like Tech Congress.
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  There are lots of fellowship programs actually for people
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  with different backgrounds to get involved in policy.
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  But Tech Congress I think is a great one because they prepare
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  you so well. You don't have to have any
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  policy knowledge, any knowledge of how the US government works.
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  They'll teach you. All of it.
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  For a month or two, you know, like a boot camp style, and then
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  you'll go in and you'll actually be more prepared than just about
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  any staffer. Because it's one of the other
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  things is that most congressional staffers get zero
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  training going in. You actually do get two months.
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  So you actually come in as one of the best prepared people,
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  even if you have zero policy background at first.
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  That's cool. No, Sophie, for somebody like my
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  son freshman, you know, has this much soccer security knowledge
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  now because it's like you're still getting your.
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  Abcs in place, you know your intro writing, your algebra
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  course, and then you have one cyber class.
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  What kind of recommendations would you have for somebody in
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  that point in the journey? Because it seems to me like you
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  kind of become like the superstar student, if you will.
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  Thank you. That's really kind.
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  I think just kind of making the most of the resources.
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  Loads of people in the identity space have really great blogs
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  that you can read on a regular basis.
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  Listening to the podcast. I was going to say that YouTube
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  videos can be great. I mean, really just immersing
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  yourself and perhaps also being kind of getting a sense of which
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  part of the space really interests you.
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  I think it's useful to to kind of become an expert in a
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  particular area and I think that's the case for any domain.
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  But it's really easy to do that. And, and the more you learn
• 20:52
  about the sector, the more you'll realise kind of what
• 20:54
  really suits your skill set and your interests and things like
• 20:57
  that. Awesome, I.
• 20:58
  Was reading for your bio and it mentioned that you pursued
• 21:01
  masters in digital sociology. I did, yes.
• 21:04
  What the heck is that? I think I know less where that
• 21:07
  is now than I did before. So it's kind of when you
• 21:13
  discipline the the masses. I did has only existed for about
• 21:16
  5 years. And it's really kind of trying
• 21:19
  to get a sense of what's happening in the digital world
• 21:22
  for a sociological perspective and how it's reshaping
• 21:25
  relationships between different people, communities, people and
• 21:29
  their governments. And so actually to someone
• 21:31
  interested in digital ID, it's quite an an obvious space to go
• 21:34
  into. Yeah.
• 21:35
  Because digital ID I think is really all about relations and
• 21:39
  trust. So a sociological perspective is
• 21:42
  really helpful for that. Very interesting.
• 21:45
  Aaron, I want to come back to you for a second because we've
• 21:47
  got two award winners here and they talk about their submission
• 21:50
  process. And I guess maybe open question,
• 21:53
  we'll start here. What are what is the DIF looking
• 21:56
  for DIF looking for in submissions?
• 21:58
  How do we help people fulfill their dreams of being not only
• 22:03
  an Identiverse and other conferences, but maybe even
• 22:05
  someday on the Identity Center Podcast?
• 22:08
  Yeah, I think I was really happy to hear, you know, reflecting on
• 22:13
  like what is it that you want to get out of the conference?
• 22:14
  Because that was specifically one of the things that we wanted
• 22:16
  to assess is does somebody have a really specific goal where
• 22:19
  they want to attend that we can help them achieve through
• 22:23
  sponsoring and supporting their access to these events.
• 22:26
  Some of the other things that we look at just on a more like
• 22:28
  tactical basis is like what is the time of experience they had
• 22:31
  with identity? Are they totally new to the
• 22:32
  topic or students or the advanced graduate people that
• 22:35
  have been in the profession for a couple of different years?
• 22:37
  So we can kind of assess, you know, where they are and
• 22:40
  relatively speaking, like what is the benefit both that they
• 22:42
  can bring into the award through their determination and their
• 22:44
  skills that they want to build on and what we can return to
• 22:47
  them by offering them the resources to go.
• 22:49
  You have anything to add to that?
• 22:51
  No wonder, Ian. No, I mean, we, we were looking
• 22:55
  at what can they bring, you know, and, and did they have
• 22:58
  sort of an opinion about what they wanted to learn?
• 23:00
  And so we thought about impact and we thought about the
• 23:03
  problems that they were interested in.
• 23:04
  And we had dozens and dozens of applicants, and it was
• 23:10
  fascinating just to see. How?
• 23:14
  Mature. A lot of this was right, and I
• 23:15
  was thinking about myself at at a similar age.
• 23:17
  I was like, you know, I like macaroni, which is probably the
• 23:20
  best thing I could write in which do you spot macaroni?
• 23:22
  I do, actually, yeah, it came up last night.
• 23:24
  But to see like really very specific, sort of like I am
• 23:30
  interested in these real specific topics and this is what
• 23:32
  I wanna do with it. Like that blew me away because I
• 23:38
  was just getting into identity at that point and I was doing it
• 23:41
  through a product, right? So to see someone already having
• 23:44
  like well thought out opinions about it was really encouraging
• 23:48
  for all of us, right? Because we need more global
• 23:50
  talent in this space. I have one other thing to that.
• 23:53
  I knew that it was gonna be difficult to pick just as few
• 23:57
  winners as we could. I mean, this first year that we
• 23:59
  were doing this when I saw how many applications we got, but I
• 24:01
  didn't appreciate how difficult it was going to be until I
• 24:04
  started reading the applications because we had so many high
• 24:07
  quality applications. There were so many that I was
• 24:09
  like, I I wish that we could send more folks this year.
• 24:13
  Which is why if you're listening, you should contribute
• 24:16
  because we can't. Like really this is about
• 24:18
  outcomes. When we talk about organizations
• 24:19
  who are thinking about sponsoring, it's what this means
• 24:23
  every dollar means we are closer to bringing one more person to
• 24:25
  an event or as we start to get into other programs, you know,
• 24:29
  being able to bring one more participant into that.
• 24:31
  And and that's really, that's really gratifying to be able to
• 24:35
  say like, oh wow, this year we are bringing someone, not only
• 24:39
  two people to Identiverse 2, the EIC next week and then one to
• 24:44
  authenticate. So we're actually starting to
• 24:45
  grow the applicant pool or sorry, grow the winner pool.
• 24:48
  We only want that to continue. Thank you to you guys for
• 24:52
  starting this and donate. I'm sure there's so many hours
• 24:56
  that go into it, so I know doing a one hour podcast is like 10
• 25:00
  hours work on the back end so I can appreciate.
• 25:05
  So and and it's fun, right? When else can you get up at 7:00
• 25:08
  in the morning every week for Zoom calls?
• 25:13
  Well, I think it's just part of the culture we're right now,
• 25:14
  yeah, we're global economy, we're global organizations.
• 25:18
  Identity doesn't stop at 9:00 and 9:00 to 5:00 work nine to
• 25:21
  five hours, right. So.
• 25:23
  Wait, you don't log in? I'm not saying me.
• 25:26
  Personally, right, I think I'm just adding a little bit more
• 25:32
  about than the selection process that one of the things that I
• 25:35
  was looking for was this is a community to get involved in.
• 25:39
  And so the responses that come back, it's not so much
• 25:42
  attending, it's is this person coming in to get involved
• 25:46
  because if they're involved, then they're going to be part of
• 25:49
  the edge of the move forward into the next one.
• 25:51
  So that involvement, I think it's an important piece.
• 25:54
  I'm. Pretty sure all of you have been
• 25:55
  to Vegas because I think I've seen you here.
• 25:58
  Have you guys been to Vegas before?
• 25:59
  Not since I was like a small child.
• 26:02
  OK, so let's get into this. What do we think of Vegas?
• 26:07
  I was talking about this yesterday and realized Vegas, so
• 26:10
  I live in Oxford. Vegas is like the exact opposite
• 26:14
  of so it's a very crazy place. It's quite fascinating thing.
• 26:18
  Like obviously it's it's kind of I'm spending most of my time at
• 26:22
  the conference, but I feel so lucky to also be able to see
• 26:25
  this completely different environment to what I know.
• 26:30
  Yeah, just like lots of good showbiz and.
• 26:32
  It's as if like a. Theme park became a city.
• 26:36
  Is there a favorite thing that you've seen that it's not?
• 26:39
  I've done a verse related or experienced.
• 26:44
  Yesterday I got I went to the Bellagio and saw the fountain
• 26:48
  show, which was really cool, and the botanical gardens.
• 26:51
  And yeah, I mean, it's just, it's spectacular.
• 26:54
  Yeah, it's really cool to see. Matthew, what do you think?
• 26:58
  Yeah, Vegas is wild. It's just, it's a city of so
• 27:03
  much contrast where you're, you've got this, all these
• 27:06
  fountains and these fancy hotels and everything and on the strip
• 27:11
  right there and then, you know, you go a little far, a little
• 27:14
  outside, like you're in the desert.
• 27:17
  I, I think there's, there's a lot that I want to see here.
• 27:22
  There's I, I went on a run down the strip and it's like there's
• 27:25
  just too much to, you know, kind of take in and the Charmans that
• 27:30
  we have. Would you come back?
• 27:34
  I think I would come back. I want to bring my wife at some
• 27:37
  point. I don't think she's ever been to
• 27:38
  Vegas. I think it's the kind of thing
• 27:40
  you need to at least once, you know?
• 27:42
  I think it would be fun to get a circus dance when I don't have
• 27:46
  to be quite so professional. So.
• 27:50
  I think me too, yeah. I mean, the weather here is
• 27:53
  amazing. I know a lot of people complain
• 27:55
  about me, but I'm a bit jealous because it rains a lot where I'm
• 27:59
  from. So yeah, getting to kind of see
• 28:02
  more of that and more. I mean, I think you could just
• 28:04
  sit and people watch for like a week and it would be
• 28:06
  fascinating. It's world class here.
• 28:08
  I'm not sure things to do, the weather or not so much.
• 28:10
  I like to sit inside a more of an indoor cat.
• 28:12
  I like everything, but there's a window that I could watch the
• 28:14
  strip and different things happening.
• 28:16
  Yeah, for sure. You guys were talking about an
• 28:19
  escape room and I'm fascinated by, I've never actually done
• 28:23
  one, but I think there was one that took place last night.
• 28:25
  Was this I guess was it an idea for unknowing?
• 28:27
  And I'm an indoor cat. How many were never going to
• 28:33
  escape? And tell us about the escape
• 28:37
  room. What was this about?
• 28:39
  Why should I? Who's never done one.
• 28:42
  Would you recommend that? Give me some insight.
• 28:44
  Yeah, so we got invited by Sarah Cicchetti to go do an escape
• 28:50
  room with a bunch of other people attendees here at
• 28:53
  Universe. We we loaded into a party bus,
• 28:57
  which I've also never gone on party bus before, which was fun.
• 29:01
  And we we piled into this escape room and it was competitive.
• 29:05
  So it was two teams and we were all very sure that Sarah's team
• 29:09
  was going to win because she's like does a lot of escape rooms.
• 29:13
  But actually her team lost by that innocent margins because
• 29:17
  the, the team I was on, which was the other one at the end,
• 29:20
  just started brute forcing all of them, all of the big clues.
• 29:23
  And so like the last two or three in a row, we just, we got
• 29:26
  like halfway in and we're like, OK, there's only like 32
• 29:28
  possible combinations left. Let's just try them all.
• 29:30
  So then we got it with like it was an hour long.
• 29:33
  We, we got it. We, we had 57 minutes that it
• 29:36
  took. So we only just barely.
• 29:37
  Finished, but she finished and you applied real world attack.
• 29:43
  Credential stuff. This is what I learned.
• 29:46
  Yeah, and there was actually a lot of basketball too.
• 29:49
  At one point I was literally on a lot counting in binary because
• 29:53
  it's like we knew that the combination was one of two
• 29:55
  things. And so I was just ones and zeros
• 29:59
  just up until. And I got so close to getting
• 30:01
  that one right and I gave up literally 3 before I would.
• 30:06
  Tell me that you're perfect for identity, but not telling me
• 30:08
  you're. Perfect.
• 30:11
  It's going to be our promos. Sophia, what's your experience
• 30:16
  like? Yeah, it was super fun.
• 30:17
  Like the theme was 1940s casino, which was very up to the Vegas.
• 30:23
  So smoke filled. And.
• 30:26
  Holes in the desert the. Escaped convicts and all this
• 30:29
  kind of wanted signs. It was fun, but yeah, it was
• 30:32
  just cool to be able to we hang out like we were saying that the
• 30:35
  community's being really friendly, but to be able to hang
• 30:37
  out on a more personal level and get to know people, they do some
• 30:40
  problem solving, which is, yeah, it was really nice.
• 30:42
  Excellent. Did you guys take part in this
• 30:44
  at all? Do your own thing.
• 30:46
  No, I so I mean Sarah, for those of you who know are AWS Co
• 30:49
  founder ID pro Matthew under sells like she's like everywhere
• 30:55
  she goes, like any country, any city, like, and so the fact that
• 30:59
  you you actually meet her team is remarkable now.
• 31:02
  So Sarah had her arm clip go off and I was with other identity
• 31:07
  people. There was fun Eddie pro thing
• 31:08
  going on and going around and seeing everybody.
• 31:11
  So it was a good. Time What's the best thing you
• 31:13
  guys have eaten while you've been here?
• 31:15
  Cuz I think Las Vegas is world class or food.
• 31:19
  I had a pork roll at Momofuku last night, which I read about
• 31:24
  online, and it lived up to the honey.
• 31:26
  Yeah, it's really, really nice. That's good.
• 31:28
  I got takeout from Din Tai Fung and I got some the pork buns
• 31:37
  that were pretty amazing. Jim Levine.
• 31:40
  Just the wind buffet. So there were a lot of things
• 31:42
  that were on that buffet that were excellent.
• 31:44
  And you're a buffet guy. I'm a buffet guy is.
• 31:46
  It still Caesar's is the reigning champion because you
• 31:49
  were talking about. It's the reigning champion for
• 31:52
  seafood, but I think when and actually the Wicked spoon over
• 31:57
  the Cosmo, they've got some really good dishes that so
• 32:01
  that's my thing. Actually buffets, like I think
• 32:03
  some people go in and it's like competitive eating.
• 32:06
  I paid $90.00. I need to eat $90.00 in crab
• 32:10
  legs. That's not my approach.
• 32:12
  My approach is I want to have $90.00 worth of enjoyment.
• 32:17
  So I might have a piece of pizza.
• 32:20
  I'm going to eat a lot of desserts.
• 32:21
  Wait. Jim, can I just seafood buffet
• 32:25
  and landlocked state? I just, I'm, I'm struggling a
• 32:28
  little with that like. The air, drop it in.
• 32:31
  I get that, I know. That I know it's true.
• 32:33
  I know there are airports, but I know I think for some other oh
• 32:36
  for sure, but just. I have a hard time with seafood
• 32:38
  and landlocked states. Add buffet to it, I don't know.
• 32:42
  I did for a while. I used to take Sushi of Saint
• 32:45
  Louis, but yeah. Are you immortal?
• 32:50
  Anywhere you can go in the United States or Canada, there's
• 32:53
  many sushi restaurants in the world's ice and there's like,
• 32:57
  there's no fish living anywhere close by, but there is FedEx.
• 33:05
  The the thinking about it, there's probably the freshest
• 33:08
  seafood in Vegas than almost anywhere else in the country.
• 33:13
  And they have ice that they put it on, so that keeps it totally.
• 33:16
  Safe. What about?
• 33:18
  You guys what's what's the best thing you guys eaten here?
• 33:21
  Well, now I know we made the right a wordy choice because my
• 33:23
  favorite restaurants in Vegas are Momofuku and Din Tai Fung.
• 33:26
  I went to Din Tai Fung last night and Momofuku tonight.
• 33:28
  So those are my things. Right.
• 33:32
  Maybe it's been the people rather than.
• 33:35
  You ate people what I. No, I did not eat people.
• 33:38
  It was the people dinner with, but we did.
• 33:43
  There's one here in in the hotel.
• 33:44
  I think it's cathedral or cathedral or something like
• 33:47
  that. They had, there was and fish,
• 33:52
  the fish dish that was actually quite spectacular.
• 33:54
  So that was my enjoyment out of that one.
• 33:57
  So did you get the dessert where it's like a little Klondike bar
• 34:00
  on top and you break it? Now I need to go back.
• 34:04
  They've got. A commercial that they run over
• 34:07
  and over again for the restaurants and the head chef
• 34:12
  eats that during the during the commercial.
• 34:16
  Now I have to go back. Yeah, you have to go back now
• 34:18
  just for that you. Guys are all gonna like fancy
• 34:20
  stuff. I had the best curly fries, the
• 34:24
  proper eats, food hall. It was so simple, but they were
• 34:27
  fresh. Like right over here.
• 34:29
  I know. My conference, as I'm saying I'm
• 34:31
  gonna. Oh, it was the the chicken
• 34:33
  that's sold sold chicken. Oh.
• 34:35
  The Korean one, yes. And it was it's.
• 34:38
  Really good, I think we. Can all agree that.
• 34:39
  Curly fries tastes better than regular fries, but no one can
• 34:41
  explain why. It's the curl.
• 34:45
  It adds a flavor profile I can't get to a straight food.
• 34:49
  We got silly, but This is why we have fun at the end of the show.
• 34:52
  Anything else I want to bring up or should we represent?
• 34:54
  Ian, did you say what you're? I Best Buy, I'm going to change
• 34:59
  it up. I had We had a wonderful bottle
• 35:01
  of vintage champagne last night at dinner and it was absolutely.
• 35:04
  Share what you have. A Mark Hibrer 2018 and I'm
• 35:09
  probably mispronouncing his last name.
• 35:11
  And it was lovely and I was with good friends, which was nice in
• 35:15
  an incredibly loud place. That is the one thing, and I
• 35:18
  will admit maybe I need to, you know, get off the lawn here a
• 35:20
  little bit that I'm, it's a little bit harder now when it's
• 35:22
  like a really loud Vegas restaurant with weird acoustics
• 35:26
  of you guys, that they all have weird acoustics.
• 35:28
  And so I could at least focus on my champagne, and that was
• 35:31
  great. It's sometimes hard to hold the
• 35:34
  conversation. That's okay.
• 35:36
  Okay, let's go ahead and wrap things up.
• 35:38
  Thank you so much for being on the show.
• 35:40
  Congratulations and being here and the pinnacle of your career
• 35:45
  has been on this podcast. You'll come back.
• 35:47
  It's all. So far, bigger things coming.
• 35:51
  We hope so, for sure. Impossible.
• 35:53
  Come back. Maybe next time we're at a
• 35:55
  conference together we can do like a a what you know what's
• 35:59
  changed you know since then? Digital Identity Advancement
• 36:02
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• 36:05
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• 36:10
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• 36:13
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• 36:16
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• 36:18
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• 36:20
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