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51. Reclaiming Flow, Money & Ancestral Abundance through Family Constellations with Laura Dheygers · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy Cartwright: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
• 0:23
  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
• 0:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Everyone, welcome to Constellations and all that.
• 0:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Can you believe that today is the 11th of the 11th, 20, 25.
• 0:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Time is going so fast.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Um, already just so close to the end of the year and today I have the pleasure of chatting with Laura.
• 0:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Hey Laura, how are you doing?
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  Laura Dheygers: Hi Tracy.
• 0:54
  Laura Dheygers: Hi everyone.
• 0:55
  Laura Dheygers: I'm doing great.
• 0:56
  Laura Dheygers: It's, uh, really lovely to be here today.
• 0:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it's really good to have you here.
• 1:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, as you know, I know you've listened to some of my podcasts.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm gonna invite you to introduce yourself and, uh, where in the world you are and a little, just a little snippet about yourself.
• 1:11
  Tracy Cartwright: And then, uh, we'll see what the field reveals.
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  Laura Dheygers: My name is Laura Deje.
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  Laura Dheygers: I was born in Poland.
• 1:18
  Laura Dheygers: Right now I am residing in Bali.
• 1:21
  Laura Dheygers: And when you mentioned, uh, the date, 1111, well, it's not only.
• 1:26
  Laura Dheygers: Numerologically that it's, uh, powerful, but it's also Poland's Independence Day.
• 1:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh wow.
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  Laura Dheygers: So, yes, I, uh, just, um, connected that and like, wow, I'm having this interview on Independence Day.
• 1:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 1:44
  Tracy Cartwright: And and your last name, where does that come from?
• 1:47
  Laura Dheygers: This last name?
• 1:48
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
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  Laura Dheygers: Is from my husband who is French with, um, also Belgian ancestors.
• 1:54
  Laura Dheygers: And the surname is actually Flo from Belgian.
• 1:57
  Laura Dheygers: But my main surname is not the easiest either.
• 1:59
  Laura Dheygers: Uh, it's otta so the spelling of that is also crazy.
• 2:03
  Laura Dheygers: So my surname just got from one difficult one to another.
• 2:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Keep people on their toes.
• 2:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Hey,
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  Laura Dheygers: totally.
• 2:11
  Laura Dheygers: Including myself.
• 2:13
  Tracy Cartwright: You have children?
• 2:14
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
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  Laura Dheygers: I have a 3-year-old son.
• 2:17
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
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  Laura Dheygers: Born in Bali and growing up here for now.
• 2:20
  Laura Dheygers: And uh, it's been a beautiful journey.
• 2:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 2:23
  Tracy Cartwright: What took you to Bali?
• 2:25
  Laura Dheygers: Adventure?
• 2:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Adventure?
• 2:27
  Laura Dheygers: I think it does.
• 2:28
  Laura Dheygers: I think like, um, a lot of people that come here is the adventure that is calling us.
• 2:33
  Laura Dheygers: And, um, what happened is life lined up in such a way, and Bali was so generous for me that I just could stay here.
• 2:42
  Laura Dheygers: Now it's been, uh, over a decade.
• 2:44
  Laura Dheygers: So I came here just for a few months, but, um, it just, I can feel a very special connection with the energy of the island.
• 2:54
  Laura Dheygers: The spirit of the island by the island.
• 2:56
  Laura Dheygers: It's very powerful connection.
• 2:58
  Laura Dheygers: It's been very powerful throughout this decade.
• 3:00
  Laura Dheygers: Yes,
• 3:01
  Tracy Cartwright: absolutely.
• 3:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Mama Bali.
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  Laura Dheygers: Oh, they
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  Tracy Cartwright: call it, don't they?
• 3:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Mama Bali?
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  Laura Dheygers: Yeah, she holds me while.
• 3:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 3:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, that's fantastic.
• 3:09
  Tracy Cartwright: What a place to raise your children.
• 3:12
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 3:12
  Laura Dheygers: Quite incredible.
• 3:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 3:15
  Tracy Cartwright: As you shared, uh, a melting pot, you, you shared with me before we started to record, and, and that's how I often describe myself as well as a melting pot with such a, a beautiful blend of ancestors, ancestral pathways.
• 3:30
  Tracy Cartwright: You know?
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  Laura Dheygers: That's right.
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  Laura Dheygers: The moment we stop and look a little bit closer, it turns out that really we are from all over.
• 3:37
  Laura Dheygers: Just a matter of how far behind we are.
• 3:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Exactly.
• 3:41
  Tracy Cartwright: So tell me, um, how did you first meet constellations?
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  Tracy Cartwright: How did it find you?
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  Laura Dheygers: First it found me through a friend speaking, uh, over 15 years ago.
• 3:54
  Laura Dheygers: I remember this friend was trying to explain me the method, and, uh, I experienced what happens when someone explains to your family constellations and you have no idea how it actually works.
• 4:06
  Laura Dheygers: So I was, um, confused, interested, intrigued.
• 4:10
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
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  Laura Dheygers: It was really difficult to imagine how it works, and then it was difficult for me to find a place where I could do this, uh, because around the area where I lived at the time, there weren't so many, um, practitioners and actually the way things have been unfolding.
• 4:29
  Laura Dheygers: I started, uh, reading about it, uh, just out of interest.
• 4:33
  Laura Dheygers: And then, um, over a decade ago, I was able to participate in my first workshop.
• 4:39
  Laura Dheygers: And that was a huge revelation to the workshop with, uh, 20, maybe 30 people, so quite a large group in which everybody did their full constellation.
• 4:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
• 4:49
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 4:50
  Laura Dheygers: It was very powerful.
• 4:51
  Laura Dheygers: It was with Osh, who I hold dearly in my heart, and that was really an incredible introduction to it because Anato was such a. Beautiful facilitator.
• 5:04
  Laura Dheygers: Also, it's not just the method, but also the facilitation was incredible and um, that got me even deeper into this whole journey.
• 5:14
  Tracy Cartwright: And was that in Bali or back in
• 5:16
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, that actually happened.
• 5:17
  Laura Dheygers: No, that happened in Bali.
• 5:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh,
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  Laura Dheygers: wow.
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  Laura Dheygers: So many people from all over the world come here that it's actually much easier to meet people and experience different kind of, uh, things and, um, practices just when you are here.
• 5:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 5:31
  Tracy Cartwright: And I hear you when you first hear about Family Constellations, it's like, that doesn't make, you know, sometimes it can feel like, hmm, it doesn't quite make sense until you experience it.
• 5:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And then it's like, ah, now I understand.
• 5:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Because someone had tried to explain it to me before I had my first experience with it as well, and it was like, it wasn't until I experienced it that I, it's like, oh, there was something in me that felt like I knew the work once I had experienced it.
• 6:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm,
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  Laura Dheygers: that's right.
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  Laura Dheygers: And it was, it was similar for me also because the moment I actually experienced it, I felt like I'm putting a hand in the glove.
• 6:09
  Laura Dheygers: Yeah,
• 6:10
  Tracy Cartwright: nice analogy.
• 6:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 6:12
  Laura Dheygers: I've been interested in my ancestors for the longest time.
• 6:17
  Laura Dheygers: I grew up in a family where we were connected with ancestors physically because they were still alive, but also through stories.
• 6:25
  Laura Dheygers: I've been entangled in a lot of, uh, family.
• 6:29
  Laura Dheygers: Trauma I've been doing, digging in my own way, let's say.
• 6:34
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, kind of doing it blind and just, um, seeing what, what comes up and then being able to do it.
• 6:42
  Laura Dheygers: Accessing the field with the constellations, it made so much sense.
• 6:48
  Laura Dheygers: It gave me so much more insights.
• 6:50
  Laura Dheygers: It really gave me.
• 6:52
  Laura Dheygers: Profound understanding about how families function and how we control nothing and how it never started with us and it never started with them.
• 7:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 7:06
  Tracy Cartwright: And doesn't that just, it's almost like there's a breath out when you can land that one in your body, you know, like, ah, okay.
• 7:16
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 7:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it's like, it just, 'cause sometimes life just seems heavy and hard and, and oppressive.
• 7:24
  Tracy Cartwright: And when we can take a breath out and just go, okay, it didn't start with me.
• 7:29
  Tracy Cartwright: How can I let this go?
• 7:30
  Tracy Cartwright: What do I need to let go of?
• 7:31
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and finding a way towards that.
• 7:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
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  Laura Dheygers: exactly.
• 7:35
  Laura Dheygers: ' Tracy Cartwright: cause don't get me uh, myself when, when I was young and, and I'm, you know, own that.
• 7:43
  Laura Dheygers: But knowing that actually those were all.
• 7:46
  Laura Dheygers: Unconsciously led by what was already going on behind me as well.
• 7:51
  Laura Dheygers: When you engage with it, there comes this understanding that this energy that manifests in your life in some kind of troubling way, it's just looking for healing.
• 8:02
  Laura Dheygers: It's just looking for that.
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  Laura Dheygers: It's not looking to make your life difficult, it's just waiting.
• 8:07
  Laura Dheygers: It's just looking for someone who's going to stop and look at that.
• 8:11
  Laura Dheygers: And that changed everything.
• 8:13
  Tracy Cartwright: And so, uh, where do you come in your family system?
• 8:15
  Laura Dheygers: Uh, I'm the middle sister of three, but I was raised as number one.
• 8:23
  Laura Dheygers: Oh.
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  Laura Dheygers: Because my.
• 8:25
  Laura Dheygers: Half brother didn't grow up with us.
• 8:28
  Laura Dheygers: So for the longest time, that also brought some confusion.
• 8:31
  Laura Dheygers: Yeah.
• 8:32
  Laura Dheygers: Still feeling like I'm the oldest child.
• 8:34
  Laura Dheygers: Well, I'm completely not.
• 8:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Did you know about him?
• 8:38
  Laura Dheygers: Uh, not initially.
• 8:40
  Laura Dheygers: I found out about him a little bit later.
• 8:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 8:43
  Tracy Cartwright: I know that confusion and I think it's probably, it's way more common than people imagine.
• 8:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Uh, all the secrets and the, the families that have had to.
• 8:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Move on.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And
• 8:55
  Laura Dheygers: that's right.
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  Laura Dheygers: I do have a feeling that this story was not the first one in our family, that it's been like this already in the past times.
• 9:05
  Laura Dheygers: I really connect with that a lot, and it also was a part of my journey of looking for things in the ancestral realm.
• 9:16
  Laura Dheygers: So very important really in that regard.
• 9:18
  Tracy Cartwright: So, if you don't mind if I ask, how did things change for you when you took your place as the second child?
• 9:27
  Laura Dheygers: It's not easy to do that fully, that's for sure.
• 9:30
  Laura Dheygers: Especially that, uh, where my half brother is not very close to me and to my sister.
• 9:37
  Laura Dheygers: So we're still kind of alone, just the two of us.
• 9:39
  Laura Dheygers: But surely there comes this, uh, deep understanding.
• 9:44
  Laura Dheygers: It's like, hey, there is someone older than me actually be in charge.
• 9:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 9:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. I had two older brothers that didn't, didn't make it earth side, and, uh, and they weren't given a place in our family system.
• 9:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, but once they were once, uh, sort of was acknowledged through constellations, the memories of hearing the story, we only ever heard it once.
• 10:07
  Tracy Cartwright: But finally, my place as number six versus growing up as number four was a relief for me.
• 10:16
  Laura Dheygers: Should
• 10:17
  Tracy Cartwright: be able to stand in that place.
• 10:18
  Laura Dheygers: That actually comes, my first constellation was on that, uh, on my whole family system where I wanted to put it in order.
• 10:26
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
• 10:27
  Laura Dheygers: And being able to put this family in order in that regard, it was really amazing and it also made me understand that it doesn't really matter what our human relationships are because on the soul level, the love is flowing.
• 10:43
  Laura Dheygers: That brings a lot of peace into my heart.
• 10:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 10:46
  Tracy Cartwright: And the family soul knows too, doesn't it?
• 10:48
  Tracy Cartwright: It it brings these things back into alignment.
• 10:51
  Laura Dheygers: That's right.
• 10:52
  Laura Dheygers: And as human beings, we are all on our individual journeys.
• 10:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 10:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 10:58
  Tracy Cartwright: So how do you use constellations?
• 11:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Because some people hear, use family constellations, some people do systemic or organization, or.
• 11:06
  Tracy Cartwright: All of it.
• 11:07
  Laura Dheygers: I use it, uh, in always, really.
• 11:11
  Laura Dheygers: I do family constellations.
• 11:13
  Laura Dheygers: I do them, uh, in personal one-on-one sessions.
• 11:18
  Laura Dheygers: But also in workshops, and I do systemic work as well.
• 11:23
  Laura Dheygers: Um, usually during workshops where with a group we explore different ideas, different issues,
• 11:33
  Tracy Cartwright: and I see that you do a bit of work around financial blocks and that's.
• 11:37
  Laura Dheygers: I do quite a bit of work around
• 11:39
  Tracy Cartwright: that.
• 11:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Can you talk about that?
• 11:40
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause I know that people's ears will be pricking up 'cause that's always one thing, right?
• 11:44
  Tracy Cartwright: One of the many things that people, um, are always interested in learning a bit about.
• 11:48
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, and it's just such a, a relief to create a space where people can talk about it.
• 11:55
  Laura Dheygers: I feel that we are pretty blocked in our society and culture where we can talk openly about money.
• 12:03
  Laura Dheygers: Even if some cultures are more open to talk about money, it's only one story that they want to share.
• 12:10
  Laura Dheygers: But money is so much more, it's part of a very powerful energy, and if we can understand it in terms of energy, our relationship with money, finances, and abundance can be much easier.
• 12:21
  Laura Dheygers: This subject really came to me in constellations when I was working with a group exploring, uh, people's relationship, uh, with money and one.
• 12:32
  Laura Dheygers: Person had a very specific energy around them that I just felt it, and the words that I had in my mind were financial trauma.
• 12:41
  Laura Dheygers: I'm like, Hey, what's financial trauma?
• 12:43
  Laura Dheygers: I never heard of that.
• 12:44
  Laura Dheygers: I've heard of all the other traumas.
• 12:46
  Laura Dheygers: Childhood trauma, sexual trauma, word trauma.
• 12:49
  Laura Dheygers: No, but financial trauma.
• 12:50
  Laura Dheygers: No, I've never heard of that.
• 12:52
  Laura Dheygers: But then I went over to the person I say, and I said, look, this energy that is, uh, next to you, I think it's financial trauma.
• 12:59
  Laura Dheygers: That's how it feels to me.
• 13:01
  Laura Dheygers: She shared that she lost $1 million from one day to another.
• 13:07
  Laura Dheygers: Wow.
• 13:07
  Laura Dheygers: And that basically the money that she had.
• 13:11
  Laura Dheygers: So that really gave me a lot of, uh, understanding how that energy manifests, that it's real.
• 13:21
  Laura Dheygers: It can be there.
• 13:22
  Laura Dheygers: And I got very interested.
• 13:24
  Laura Dheygers: I wanted to know more.
• 13:25
  Laura Dheygers: So mm-hmm.
• 13:26
  Laura Dheygers: After the workshop, I started online research and I was very disappointed.
• 13:30
  Laura Dheygers: A few dry articles and, uh, so, so some people.
• 13:35
  Laura Dheygers: Trying to teach me how to manage my finances, which is completely not what I was looking for at the moment.
• 13:41
  Laura Dheygers: And I started doing my own research with the clients, really, uh, going into the financial trauma, how it manifests in the life, in the stories.
• 13:52
  Laura Dheygers: And based on that, I was able to.
• 13:54
  Laura Dheygers: Gather a lot of data, um, gather a lot of, uh, research and insights and, uh, I was able to, I I, this journey, this actually set me on a journey of wanting to connect with the energy of money and abundance on a different level where it's not just the physical that I have in my hand, but I wanted to know what's behind it and that actually.
• 14:23
  Laura Dheygers: Came it, it graciously came to to my work and I'm able to connect with it, and I'm also able to share this connection with other people through my workshops or through one-on-one sessions.
• 14:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Fabulous.
• 14:39
  Tracy Cartwright: And you run retreats too, don't you?
• 14:41
  Tracy Cartwright: So do you do like financial abundance retreats or?
• 14:46
  Laura Dheygers: I am planning for next year to actually have a specifically retreat about that because I turned out, I've done quite a few workshops and I've been doing a lot of exercises, uh, with myself with.
• 15:00
  Laura Dheygers: Uh, one-on-one sessions and I realized that I have so much content that it's not enough for me to share in a half day workshop or one day workshop.
• 15:09
  Laura Dheygers: They still powerful, but I, I really would love to take people on the journey that is a bit fuller.
• 15:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 15:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Is there something that you would say to people, um, like something that they could do at home?
• 15:24
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 15:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Just to like feel into the field and, and you know, have you got anything that comes to mind?
• 15:30
  Laura Dheygers: Just like a diagnostic of your relationship?
• 15:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh,
• 15:34
  Laura Dheygers: yes.
• 15:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 15:35
  Laura Dheygers: Okay.
• 15:35
  Laura Dheygers: So for example, uh, how about we just do it together right now?
• 15:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 15:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Sounds good.
• 15:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 15:42
  Laura Dheygers: Okay.
• 15:42
  Laura Dheygers: So if it's comfortable for you, close your eyes, take a deep breath, connect with your body, and imagine that money is in front of you.
• 15:52
  Laura Dheygers: It can be an abstract, it can be a person, but it's right now here, just in front of you.
• 15:57
  Laura Dheygers: How does it look?
• 15:58
  Tracy Cartwright: It's really interesting'cause because as we started, I got this really beautiful excitement in my chest and it showed up like as a pile of money, but with a Christmas angel sitting on it.
• 16:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Blowing a horn.
• 16:16
  Tracy Cartwright: And I'm not a reli, I'm not religious at all.
• 16:20
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm spiritual, but I'm, I wouldn't say I was religious, but it's like one of those traditional angels that you see blowing a horn, so,
• 16:27
  Laura Dheygers: right.
• 16:27
  Laura Dheygers: That's incredible.
• 16:27
  Laura Dheygers: But we are not done with the exercise, so we are there with this tree, uh, just in front of you.
• 16:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 16:35
  Tracy Cartwright: What,
• 16:35
  Laura Dheygers: what feelings that arise when you look at it?
• 16:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Joy and excitement.
• 16:40
  Laura Dheygers: Does man want you to know anything?
• 16:42
  Laura Dheygers: Does it have a message to you?
• 16:43
  Laura Dheygers: Is there some sort of personality around this tree?
• 16:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, yeah, just when you asked that question, it was, I'm not as far away as you think I am.
• 16:53
  Laura Dheygers: Mm. Okay.
• 16:55
  Laura Dheygers: That's a good message.
• 16:56
  Laura Dheygers: Mm. Does it like you when money looks at you, doesn't like you?
• 17:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Tracy Cartwright: It's so interesting the feeling inside me at the moment, like it's this whole, you know, that magnetic attraction when you see someone that you are really attracted to, like, I'm not seeing a face or anything.
• 17:14
  Tracy Cartwright: It's that feeling in my heart.
• 17:16
  Laura Dheygers: Hmm.
• 17:17
  Laura Dheygers: So the money is attracted to you?
• 17:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, and I'm attracted to it, obviously.
• 17:21
  Laura Dheygers: Okay.
• 17:23
  Laura Dheygers: Okay.
• 17:23
  Laura Dheygers: Is there anything that you can do to have this, uh, energy, this relationship more flowing?
• 17:30
  Laura Dheygers: Or do you think it's already there?
• 17:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Uh, when you ask that question, I go into a little bit of, I feel really small when you ask that question like I, and get a little bit blank.
• 17:42
  Tracy Cartwright: I think movement would help if I moved around that space.
• 17:46
  Laura Dheygers: Maybe you can try dancing around this tree.
• 17:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm, yeah.
• 17:50
  Tracy Cartwright: That feels, yeah.
• 17:52
  Laura Dheygers: And you can tell money.
• 17:54
  Laura Dheygers: Money.
• 17:54
  Laura Dheygers: I see you.
• 17:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. Do you want me to say out loud?
• 17:57
  Laura Dheygers: You can.
• 17:58
  Laura Dheygers: You don't have to.
• 17:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 18:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Money, I see you.
• 18:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Ah.
• 18:03
  Tracy Cartwright: And when I say that, like I can hear the trumpets playing, not just see them.
• 18:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, nice.
• 18:09
  Laura Dheygers: It sounds to me like your money wants to be loud.
• 18:11
  Tracy Cartwright: It can.
• 18:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Has my permission to be as loud as it likes.
• 18:14
  Laura Dheygers: You have my permission to be as loud as you want.
• 18:18
  Tracy Cartwright: You have my permission.
• 18:20
  Tracy Cartwright: To be as loud as you want money.
• 18:22
  Tracy Cartwright: That feels exciting.
• 18:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm, fantastic.
• 18:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Do we leave?
• 18:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Do we leave it there?
• 18:27
  Laura Dheygers: Well, yes, we can do it here.
• 18:28
  Laura Dheygers: So this is a very simple exercise that can already give some more understanding of what is my relationship with money and what money.
• 18:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it was a real surprise what showed up.
• 18:40
  Tracy Cartwright: It's like, no expectations.
• 18:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Just when I closed my eyes I was like, oh wow,
• 18:45
  Laura Dheygers: you're a Christmas tree.
• 18:46
  Laura Dheygers: I didn't, I didn't realize that.
• 18:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 18:50
  Tracy Cartwright: And you know what's so funny because I have, I have, my daughter calls me the Christmas Grinch for the last few years.
• 18:59
  Tracy Cartwright: It, I haven't enjoyed Christmas.
• 19:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Both my parents died at Christmas.
• 19:03
  Laura Dheygers: Oh, that's really sad.
• 19:04
  Laura Dheygers: I'm sorry.
• 19:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. So it's nice to see the Christmas.
• 19:08
  Tracy Cartwright: The pile and with the angel on it.
• 19:10
  Tracy Cartwright: And then to be able to say
• 19:12
  Laura Dheygers: yes,
• 19:13
  Tracy Cartwright: that feels beautiful.
• 19:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 19:15
  Laura Dheygers: And actually it feels to me like there, there is some kind of honoring to happen around it.
• 19:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 19:21
  Laura Dheygers: So specific to see a Christmas tree in relationship.
• 19:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:26
  Tracy Cartwright: And uh, maybe this year,
• 19:28
  Laura Dheygers: maybe this,
• 19:28
  Tracy Cartwright: there can be some joy.
• 19:29
  Tracy Cartwright: There'll be more joy in life.
• 19:31
  Laura Dheygers: Don't forget the angel.
• 19:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, that's a beautiful exercise.
• 19:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you for that.
• 19:36
  Laura Dheygers: You're very welcome.
• 19:38
  Tracy Cartwright: I love that.
• 19:38
  Tracy Cartwright: I really love that.
• 19:40
  Tracy Cartwright: And so you're gonna have a retreat in
• 19:42
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 19:43
  Laura Dheygers: So, so for next year, I am, uh, thinking of actually doing this retreat probably, uh, in Indonesia.
• 19:52
  Laura Dheygers: I'm not a hundred percent about it, but I do have a lot of exercises.
• 19:56
  Laura Dheygers: This one is, it's an exercise I'm using during workshops sometimes.
• 20:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 20:01
  Laura Dheygers: Um, it really can give people a lot of insights in terms of where they are.
• 20:06
  Laura Dheygers: And where they would actually like to be.
• 20:09
  Laura Dheygers: But that is with full understanding that everybody is at a different place in their journey.
• 20:15
  Laura Dheygers: Of course.
• 20:16
  Laura Dheygers: So we might be inspired by the results of other people, but they surely don't define our own experiences.
• 20:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Hmm.
• 20:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 20:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, Indonesia, and you have some connection to, is it one of the Gilly islands?
• 20:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Am I understanding that right.
• 20:34
  Laura Dheygers: That's right.
• 20:35
  Laura Dheygers: Um, Gilly Ashan, which is a very beautiful remote place where, uh, we like to go with, um, my family and just relax for a few days far away from the commotion, uh, of Bali.
• 20:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Whereabouts is that?
• 20:53
  Tracy Cartwright: I went to Gil Turan
• 20:55
  Laura Dheygers: GaN, but, uh, the, a Ashan is in the south of the island.
• 20:59
  Laura Dheygers: Ah,
• 21:00
  Tracy Cartwright: okay.
• 21:01
  Laura Dheygers: In the south of Lombok.
• 21:02
  Laura Dheygers: Mm. But I, I've heard you were there, you were in Lombok for a retreat this year.
• 21:06
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I was there in September with Denise Warner and Susan Ger.
• 21:10
  Tracy Cartwright: And
• 21:11
  Laura Dheygers: beautiful,
• 21:12
  Tracy Cartwright: uh, had a great time.
• 21:14
  Tracy Cartwright: My husband's still home recovering from it actually.
• 21:17
  Tracy Cartwright: He had such a good time.
• 21:18
  Tracy Cartwright: He broke both of his wrists.
• 21:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh my God.
• 21:21
  Tracy Cartwright: And he hasn't been able to work.
• 21:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Go back to work since, but, um,
• 21:25
  Laura Dheygers: oh wow.
• 21:26
  Tracy Cartwright: It was a life changing for him.
• 21:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 21:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Or all of us really in many different ways, but, uh, yeah,
• 21:32
  Laura Dheygers: sorry about that.
• 21:34
  Laura Dheygers: It was, but it was in, uh, the
• 21:36
  Tracy Cartwright: accident.
• 21:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:37
  Tracy Cartwright: And that retreat was called Yes.
• 21:38
  Tracy Cartwright: To life.
• 21:39
  Tracy Cartwright: So, um, he managed to find that in his experiences.
• 21:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:44
  Tracy Cartwright: It's part of the journey, isn't it?
• 21:46
  Tracy Cartwright: When you travel into remote countries and
• 21:48
  Laura Dheygers: things happen,
• 21:49
  Tracy Cartwright: life is, things happen.
• 21:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:52
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 21:52
  Laura Dheygers: It's especially uncomfortable when they happen in Indonesia.
• 21:55
  Laura Dheygers: I understand that.
• 21:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:57
  Tracy Cartwright: I thought he handled it really well and the Indonesian people were, were beautiful and very accommodating, so yeah, it was good.
• 22:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Tracy Cartwright: I mean, some people are looking at me when I'm saying, yeah, it was actually the best thing that happened to him.
• 22:13
  Laura Dheygers: He slowed down.
• 22:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:15
  Tracy Cartwright: He's looking at life very differently.
• 22:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:18
  Laura Dheygers: Wow.
• 22:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Laura Dheygers: The gifts that come.
• 22:21
  Tracy Cartwright: I know exactly.
• 22:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, let's see, what else do I want to ask or should I say, what else does the field want me to ask?
• 22:30
  Tracy Cartwright: How do you describe it to people?
• 22:32
  Tracy Cartwright: How would you, in your own words, describe Constellation work?
• 22:37
  Laura Dheygers: It's a part practice that helps you discover answering blockages and gives you tools to release them.
• 22:47
  Laura Dheygers: So that you can embrace a joyful and more peaceful life.
• 22:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Nice.
• 22:54
  Laura Dheygers: In the simplest of ways.
• 22:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Tracy Cartwright: No, that's nice.
• 22:57
  Tracy Cartwright: It was, yeah, straight to the point.
• 23:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Sometimes if we give too much explanation, it can get quite heady, but that was beautiful.
• 23:05
  Tracy Cartwright: I can really feel that.
• 23:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Nice and calm in the system.
• 23:09
  Laura Dheygers: And especially with family constellations, if you try to explain too much, I think, uh, to people that don't know, to people who hear about it for the first time, it's really overwhelming.
• 23:20
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
• 23:21
  Laura Dheygers: So just keeping it as simple as possible.
• 23:23
  Laura Dheygers: Sometimes in an explora, in an explanation like that, I will also throw in transgenerational trauma, but even that, it's like already taking it into a place where people have a difficulty to connect with.
• 23:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 23:40
  Laura Dheygers: because they change
• 23:40
  Tracy Cartwright: subject or run out the door.
• 23:42
  Laura Dheygers: That's right.
• 23:42
  Laura Dheygers: And they cannot see this, uh, transgenerational trauma in their life.
• 23:46
  Laura Dheygers: They don't understand that the patterns that they're experiencing are not really their own.
• 23:51
  Laura Dheygers: That the stories that they go through started long time ago.
• 23:55
  Laura Dheygers: So it doesn't really fully resonate.
• 23:56
  Laura Dheygers: But hidden didn't blockages, subconscious, uh, beliefs.
• 24:01
  Laura Dheygers: That is something that people can work with.
• 24:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Hmm.
• 24:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Does your partner understand constellations like.
• 24:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Has he experienced constellations?
• 24:10
  Laura Dheygers: He is experienced them, um, in, on the personal level, so he understands them to a point.
• 24:18
  Laura Dheygers: I think, uh, group workshop is still waiting for him to happen when the time is right.
• 24:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 24:29
  Laura Dheygers: yeah.
• 24:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 24:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Who would you say are some of your favorite teachers?
• 24:34
  Laura Dheygers: Oh, wow.
• 24:35
  Laura Dheygers: I have so many.
• 24:36
  Laura Dheygers: Um, one of the reasons is that I participated in Jon Base online training, and her training involves between 30 to 50 different facilitators.
• 24:51
  Laura Dheygers: So being able to learn from that is just incredible.
• 24:57
  Laura Dheygers: Uh, it gave me an insight that really, it's like a fingerprint and everybody's going to do this in their own way, and just showing me that.
• 25:09
  Laura Dheygers: With so many different facilitators, there are going to be certainly the ones that I'm going to resonate, uh, more than others.
• 25:19
  Laura Dheygers: I guess a personal favorite of mine is Judith Hamming.
• 25:23
  Laura Dheygers: Hmm.
• 25:25
  Laura Dheygers: She's a maestro for me.
• 25:27
  Laura Dheygers: She's, uh, the, the way she's, uh, doing Constellation and, uh, the interviews is just incredible.
• 25:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 25:36
  Laura Dheygers: Yeah.
• 25:36
  Laura Dheygers: So.
• 25:37
  Laura Dheygers: Surely that, but really there's been a, a lot of teachers that I fell in love with, with, um, included Margaret Koning, bill Manel drag, and the beauty of that course was that I was able to really just see so many beautiful, talented, and very knowledgeable people at work
• 26:00
  Tracy Cartwright: and 'cause it's all changed so much from.
• 26:03
  Tracy Cartwright: When I started the gatherings, you know, like COVID really changed the way in which things happen and, and some are starting to come back together.
• 26:15
  Tracy Cartwright: I've just come back from Mexico having been with Francesca Mason, Boen, and Angu and just, and, and Gala, rebel, and Barry crossed and into the big gatherings that have taken a while to get their back up and running.
• 26:29
  Laura Dheygers: Mm.
• 26:30
  Tracy Cartwright: The in-person ones.
• 26:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 26:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Janine does an amazing job pulling all of that together and holding conferences in Australia as well, which I know that you were just there recently as well.
• 26:42
  Laura Dheygers: I, I joined the one in October in Sydney.
• 26:44
  Laura Dheygers: It was very beautiful, really incredible event.
• 26:47
  Laura Dheygers: It's amazing that Janine is, uh, holding these spaces for all of us.
• 26:53
  Laura Dheygers: Such an important work that she's doing.
• 26:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 26:56
  Tracy Cartwright: If someone wanted to work with you, how would they get in touch with you?
• 27:01
  Tracy Cartwright: I know and, and I will share it in the thread below, but some people like to hear it audible, so how would they find you?
• 27:08
  Laura Dheygers: I have a website called Energy journeys.com.
• 27:14
  Laura Dheygers: I'm also on social media with the same handle energy journeys and the best way to contact me is, uh, via Instagram or through my website form.
• 27:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Awesome.
• 27:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Is there anything else that you'd like to share with people that you feel inspired that might inspire someone to be curious?
• 27:37
  Tracy Cartwright: About the work or Sure.
• 27:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Anything that's there for you?
• 27:40
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 27:40
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 27:41
  Laura Dheygers: I can talk a little bit more about, uh, financial trauma.
• 27:45
  Laura Dheygers: When I started, um, creating workshops or specifically for this, um, I also felt how taboo this subject was.
• 27:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes,
• 27:56
  Laura Dheygers: no one talks about finances.
• 27:59
  Laura Dheygers: And that was, that was also a journey for me because I felt, you know, this kind of, uh, pressure that I also should be quiet about it because we don't talk about it.
• 28:11
  Laura Dheygers: So for me it was, uh, a journey on its own to say, okay, but I really want to do it.
• 28:18
  Laura Dheygers: So even though I feel that I shouldn't, I'm going to do it.
• 28:23
  Laura Dheygers: Once I started the work and the workshops, it really shows how important this space is for people where they can just talk about finances without being judged.
• 28:38
  Laura Dheygers: And the way I talk about money and the e the energy of money, the energy of abundance is not looking for this human angle where it is, um, inappropriate.
• 28:54
  Laura Dheygers: Um, greedy or general.
• 28:56
  Laura Dheygers: You should be removed from the table because I want to, I want people to.
• 29:03
  Laura Dheygers: Feel that behind the word money is a really powerful energy that they can connect with and they can have a better relationship with.
• 29:12
  Laura Dheygers: And the moment that they can have a better relationship with money, they can have a better relationship with abundance.
• 29:19
  Laura Dheygers: Having a good relationship with abundance will not happen if you don't fix your relationship with money.
• 29:25
  Laura Dheygers: It's like a gateway.
• 29:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Because some people think they're the same thing.
• 29:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Right?
• 29:28
  Tracy Cartwright: But they're not.
• 29:29
  Tracy Cartwright: How would you describe, what would you say would be the difference?
• 29:32
  Laura Dheygers: Many things that can be part of abundance.
• 29:34
  Laura Dheygers: So it's going to be money, health, relationships, career, personal growth, network, your friends.
• 29:43
  Laura Dheygers: So there's going to be really, uh, a lot of elements that.
• 29:46
  Laura Dheygers: It can create abundance, but it's such a powerful energy that it's difficult for us with our human bodies to hold it in our body all the time.
• 29:56
  Laura Dheygers: We can connect with it for a while, but then life happens and we will be jerk back.
• 30:02
  Laura Dheygers: So because of that, it creates, uh, already a difficulty in connecting with abundance.
• 30:08
  Laura Dheygers: Fully human beings were able to take a part of that energy.
• 30:14
  Laura Dheygers: Of abundance that they can hold in their hand and that has a meaning and call it money.
• 30:20
  Laura Dheygers: And money is an energetic container.
• 30:22
  Laura Dheygers: It is communication with other people.
• 30:26
  Laura Dheygers: It is trade.
• 30:28
  Laura Dheygers: It's making many different types of relationship possible.
• 30:32
  Laura Dheygers: So we were able to take something that we don't fully understand, but we were able to extract something, put a meaning on it that is understood in many different cultures and in many different countries.
• 30:45
  Laura Dheygers: So that's how I see the difference between money and abundance.
• 30:48
  Laura Dheygers: Money is being a part of that energy that is really great and powerful, and actually the energy of abundance that comes even from a greater source source, just above it, the power of creation.
• 31:02
  Laura Dheygers: So really if you don't get money on that energetic level, that it's a part of something very powerful, raw and creative.
• 31:15
  Laura Dheygers: It's very difficult to connect with money fully with abundance.
• 31:20
  Laura Dheygers: Fully.
• 31:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:22
  Laura Dheygers: And that is the process that I'm taking people into.
• 31:26
  Laura Dheygers: I've heard, um, people saying, what is money?
• 31:30
  Laura Dheygers: It's just a piece of paper or digits in my account, and this is not true.
• 31:34
  Laura Dheygers: And when people are saying things like this, it shows me that you, you really don't know what you're dealing with because that energy, it wants recognition.
• 31:42
  Laura Dheygers: It's very powerful.
• 31:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:43
  Tracy Cartwright: I, I mean, if you think about the stories when people talk about, you know, money's evil, you know, only the rich, um, habit and they, uh, you know, and the rich do evil bad things with it, or, um, I've heard, I'm thinking of, of some couple of people in mind, that's their story and that's, and that seems to be what shows up for them in their life as well.
• 32:06
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, like the, the real struggle with, uh, because they have such a strong belief, which.
• 32:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Potentially as ancestral, um, through, through their system of what has shown up for them.
• 32:17
  Tracy Cartwright: But um, yeah, we do have big stories around money, don't we, around the finances and
• 32:23
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 32:24
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 32:25
  Laura Dheygers: And they started with, they start with beliefs.
• 32:27
  Laura Dheygers: So the moment we can work with belief and shift the belief, we we're able to have a different relationship with money.
• 32:34
  Laura Dheygers: And by that we have, uh, by doing that, we are creating for ourselves a different access.
• 32:41
  Laura Dheygers: The relationship with abundance, but certainly it all starts with the beliefs.
• 32:46
  Laura Dheygers: For me.
• 32:47
  Laura Dheygers: For me, a belief is that, um, man doesn't grow on trees, so you have to work hard to get it.
• 32:55
  Tracy Cartwright: I remember my parents used to say that, and I would say, but it's made from paper.
• 33:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Isn't paper made from trees?
• 33:02
  Tracy Cartwright: That was my comeback as a child.
• 33:04
  Laura Dheygers: There you go.
• 33:05
  Laura Dheygers: But truly, do you know any good beliefs about money?
• 33:10
  Laura Dheygers: Do you know any good proverbs about money?
• 33:13
  Tracy Cartwright: No.
• 33:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, no.
• 33:15
  Tracy Cartwright: I started creating my own, but what you, what I've heard from my family system, oh, you've gotta work hard.
• 33:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Nothing comes easy money, you know, get nothing for free.
• 33:27
  Tracy Cartwright: And I personally choose to, uh, change that narrative.
• 33:31
  Laura Dheygers: That's right.
• 33:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 33:32
  Laura Dheygers: that's right.
• 33:32
  Laura Dheygers: And it's beautiful on the personal level that you have the awareness and the capability to do it, but for the greater, uh, number of people, it's like we don't have good beliefs about money and I just find it very weird.
• 33:46
  Laura Dheygers: How come there are good proverbs about this subject?
• 33:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Tracy Cartwright: That comes, I believe, comes down to a lot of programming too, doesn't it?
• 33:55
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly,
• 33:56
  Tracy Cartwright: exactly.
• 33:56
  Tracy Cartwright: To keep us.
• 33:57
  Tracy Cartwright: To keep us exactly.
• 33:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Knowing how amazingly, powerfully abundant we all are.
• 34:04
  Laura Dheygers: Right?
• 34:04
  Laura Dheygers: That's right.
• 34:05
  Laura Dheygers: 'cause when we tap into that energy, suddenly things start flowing our way.
• 34:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 34:11
  Laura Dheygers: And life becomes easier.
• 34:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 34:14
  Laura Dheygers: So we are brainwashed to fear money, to dislike it in some kind of way.
• 34:20
  Laura Dheygers: Money is dirty.
• 34:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Laura Dheygers: How about all of that is not true?
• 34:24
  Laura Dheygers: It just good sides and bad sides, like everything else.
• 34:28
  Laura Dheygers: It depends on how it's used by the person that holds it, but I'm missing some good proverbs about money and uh, I'd love to see those appear or, or good as well.
• 34:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Rewrite it.
• 34:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Hey.
• 34:44
  Tracy Cartwright: That's right.
• 34:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 34:46
  Laura Dheygers: Money is energy.
• 34:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, money is energy.
• 34:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Exactly.
• 34:50
  Tracy Cartwright: When we are sharing it, rather than holding onto it and holding onto it tight and we are sharing it, it allows for flow.
• 34:57
  Tracy Cartwright: And that then that can be, come back to you with the reciprocity and um Exactly.
• 35:03
  Tracy Cartwright: In a much greater amount too, I believe.
• 35:06
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, and we have to trust that flow.
• 35:09
  Laura Dheygers: We actually, this flow of money.
• 35:12
  Laura Dheygers: It's a real thing and part of the process, part of the exercise that I'm doing with people is actually trusting the flow of money where you don't feel constrained, where you have to do something when you have to pay for something.
• 35:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 35:28
  Laura Dheygers: you can do it with a peaceful mind and know that it goes back to you.
• 35:33
  Laura Dheygers: A simple thing, uh, that can, uh, help with that.
• 35:37
  Laura Dheygers: The shift of that mindset, uh, that I can share is whenever you pay for something, just think that you are spreading abundance.
• 35:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 35:46
  Laura Dheygers: Because the money that you pay, it never finishes with the person or the institution you pay to.
• 35:52
  Laura Dheygers: This money goes into so many different hands.
• 35:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes,
• 35:56
  Laura Dheygers: it's bread on the table for so many people, so,
• 36:00
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah.
• 36:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Tracy Cartwright: I was taught, uh, a friend of mine taught me this practice.
• 36:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Like, say for example, I'm giving you some money for a service that you've done for me and take the money and I hold it to my heart and I think about all the, the beauty and the deliciousness that I've received from you, and pour that into the money and then, and then gift it to you.
• 36:21
  Laura Dheygers: And
• 36:21
  Tracy Cartwright: that's really, and then you get, you get to take that in as well, you know, and it's just like when you do that simple act of consciously pouring, rather than, oh, I've gotta pay you some money for that service that you've just given me.
• 36:35
  Tracy Cartwright: There's a lack in there.
• 36:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Right.
• 36:37
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 36:38
  Laura Dheygers: Complete luck.
• 36:38
  Laura Dheygers: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Laura Dheygers: And it gives this, uh, contraction in the body, uh, which is really unnecessary because what you do is you have that gift that you receive and now you want to give it to another person, and you're spreading a bar.
• 36:51
  Laura Dheygers: This, with everything that you do, whether it's a big bill to pay somewhere, or whether you're just buying, uh, coffee.
• 36:57
  Laura Dheygers: Mm. And the the thing that I like to do is I actually like to, uh, thank money for that coffee.
• 37:04
  Laura Dheygers: Mm. We take money for granted and we treat it, uh, something that just is, but I try to show that it's a relationship.
• 37:15
  Laura Dheygers: Mm. And how do you like to be in a relationship where someone takes you for granted all the time?
• 37:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Exactly.
• 37:23
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
• 37:23
  Laura Dheygers: It's not the best, uh, position for money.
• 37:26
  Laura Dheygers: So just giving that appreciation.
• 37:29
  Laura Dheygers: Oh, thank you for that coffee.
• 37:30
  Laura Dheygers: That's so nice.
• 37:30
  Laura Dheygers: You, you got it for me.
• 37:32
  Laura Dheygers: Thank you for helping me pay for that.
• 37:34
  Laura Dheygers: There are small things, small adjustments, that actually it's part of the training, uh, that you do with yourself, but they can shift how you receive money and how you spread the abundance.
• 37:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. Have you seen in your work where there's been that ancestral.
• 37:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Block I'm thinking of, I think it was Mark Lan talked about a couple of siblings that he had worked with who were, who found creating money incredibly easy, but they also couldn't hold onto it, and they were connected to some deep ancestral trauma.
• 38:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, have you seen that
• 38:13
  Laura Dheygers: many times?
• 38:13
  Laura Dheygers: I worked with, so, so, yes.
• 38:14
  Laura Dheygers: So, uh, actually, uh, the biggest, uh, not, not the, a large part of my work is.
• 38:22
  Laura Dheygers: Financial trauma healing.
• 38:24
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
• 38:25
  Laura Dheygers: Where I take people on a journey of a set of constellations, and we start with that.
• 38:30
  Laura Dheygers: We start with the transgenerational blockage that we entangled with, and we go into that to see it, acknowledge it, and release it.
• 38:41
  Laura Dheygers: Only then we are able to move really, uh, fully with the present time and with the future intention.
• 38:50
  Laura Dheygers: But if we don't release the.
• 38:53
  Laura Dheygers: Transgenerational, uh, entanglements, we will always end up at a certain point.
• 38:58
  Laura Dheygers: This is what happens with a lot of money mindset trainings.
• 39:01
  Laura Dheygers: It's possible to train your mindset, but you have to put a lot of work into it.
• 39:05
  Laura Dheygers: So you will train, train, train, you will grind and you will get finally over here.
• 39:09
  Laura Dheygers: But then everything in the past is just going to pull you back and you will find yourself with time at the point where like, oh, I'm here again, so I have to do this training again.
• 39:19
  Laura Dheygers: And then you push, push, push.
• 39:21
  Laura Dheygers: And you, again, get your mindset to another level, but then again, something happens and it's pulling you back and these are the transgenerational, financial entanglements that are keeping you loyal.
• 39:32
  Laura Dheygers: What happened to that pain that was not processed properly?
• 39:37
  Laura Dheygers: So I've worked really with a lot of cases, uh, like that, and reasons for this can be so many.
• 39:44
  Laura Dheygers: Um, loss of land, loss of business, divorce, loss of job.
• 39:50
  Laura Dheygers: Actually even a loss of a, a loved one, an early death can create that, uh, blockage that is going to manifest on the financial level.
• 40:01
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
• 40:02
  Laura Dheygers: Hardship, of course, is a very common one where people have to work hard, where their experience scarcity, and that creates this energy blockage that we carry on later.
• 40:14
  Laura Dheygers: Also, um, some bad deeds that our ancestors were involved in in the past that are going to manifest in our life very often in the way where we are going to try to balance the system and sabotage ourselves.
• 40:34
  Laura Dheygers: So, for example, we can make money.
• 40:37
  Laura Dheygers: We are good at it, um, but we're not very good at keeping it.
• 40:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 40:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 40:42
  Tracy Cartwright: And I see, and I hear that about often people who win the lottery, for example.
• 40:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Right, exactly.
• 40:49
  Tracy Cartwright: It's all lined up.
• 40:50
  Tracy Cartwright: They've won the lottery, but they just can't keep hold of it.
• 40:54
  Tracy Cartwright: It just goes.
• 40:55
  Laura Dheygers: And that, when it comes to, um, examples like this, it's, uh, well, the transgenerational blockage for sure, but also it's, uh, the energetic level.
• 41:06
  Laura Dheygers: Where is my container ready for that amount of money?
• 41:11
  Laura Dheygers: Yeah, and usually not, I can hold 10,000, but I cannot hold 1 million, so I will quickly give it away because uh, I just cannot do it.
• 41:22
  Laura Dheygers: So there is a lot of, actually, there's a lot of that also when working with professionals, entrepreneurs or corporate, there's a lot of that of getting.
• 41:34
  Laura Dheygers: People to understand where they are at, what, what they are physically ready to hold in, in their, uh, in their body where they want to be.
• 41:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm.
• 41:45
  Laura Dheygers: Because if you explore this, you really are getting ready for that step and you understand, oh, I want to be there, but I am not ready.
• 41:53
  Laura Dheygers: What do I have to do to be ready?
• 41:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 41:56
  Laura Dheygers: So I can actually hold it, embrace it, and enjoy it when it comes.
• 42:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Sounds beautiful.
• 42:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, hopefully, we'll, a lot of people saying, Hey, yeah, I'm ready for this.
• 42:05
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, like, I think people are changing and starting to see that when we change our mindset, we can change the energy.
• 42:12
  Tracy Cartwright: And when we've got a, a beautiful teachers like yourself that are evolving in the world, Hey, what else is possible?
• 42:20
  Laura Dheygers: That's right.
• 42:20
  Laura Dheygers: When we change our mindset and our beliefs, we really change our own life.
• 42:25
  Laura Dheygers: It's possible.
• 42:25
  Laura Dheygers: It's doable and something beautiful is waiting at the other side of this journey.
• 42:31
  Tracy Cartwright: And unlocking it for your children too.
• 42:33
  Tracy Cartwright: Right?
• 42:34
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 42:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Or your nieces and nephews or just clearing the pathway for the future generations.
• 42:40
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 42:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 42:41
  Laura Dheygers: They don't have to entangle with the same pain.
• 42:45
  Tracy Cartwright: With the same pain.
• 42:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Tracy Cartwright: They might create their own, but
• 42:47
  Laura Dheygers: that's, that's another story.
• 42:49
  Laura Dheygers: Create your own.
• 42:50
  Laura Dheygers: You know, you are free to do that, but it's okay.
• 42:53
  Laura Dheygers: I don't want to, I don't want you to carry what I had to carry and what my ancestors had to carry.
• 42:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Exactly.
• 42:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 43:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 43:01
  Laura Dheygers: It's actually very interesting in terms of transgenerational trauma because it can be created for our ancestors in so many different ways.
• 43:10
  Laura Dheygers: So one of the ways that I realized that I was entangled with it was that I come from, I was born in Poland and I come from a strip of land that was changing hands a lot throughout history.
• 43:24
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
• 43:24
  Laura Dheygers: Um, the, before the first World War, Poland wasn't even on the map.
• 43:30
  Laura Dheygers: Of all the partitions, which of course brings, uh, its own issues with it, like system systemically.
• 43:37
  Laura Dheygers: Um, but then regarding the land that I come from is that strip that after the second World War.
• 43:45
  Laura Dheygers: Was taken away from Germany and, uh, it was repop repopulated by, um, immigrants.
• 43:54
  Laura Dheygers: A lot of them, uh, just polish, Polish settlers, but also from other countries that wanted to settle there.
• 44:01
  Laura Dheygers: And it's because of the work that I've done.
• 44:04
  Laura Dheygers: I realized that.
• 44:07
  Laura Dheygers: Actually something happened that is completely unacknowledged by people who are, who have been benefiting from what happened.
• 44:17
  Laura Dheygers: The pain and the terror of having to leave everything behind.
• 44:22
  Laura Dheygers: You just take a bag and you have to go because you are ordered to do so.
• 44:27
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 44:28
  Laura Dheygers: Other groups of people coming into that energy that really.
• 44:34
  Laura Dheygers: Creates a lot of, um, blockages.
• 44:39
  Laura Dheygers: Lot of it created for me an entanglement that it really took years for me to see.
• 44:44
  Tracy Cartwright: So were your ancestors, migrants to the area
• 44:48
  Laura Dheygers: mm-hmm.
• 44:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Or they had been there?
• 44:50
  Laura Dheygers: No, my mys, uh, actually came to that area.
• 44:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Right?
• 44:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 44:55
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, yes.
• 44:55
  Laura Dheygers: It's, uh, and millions of uh, uh, Germans were actually millions of people.
• 45:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
• 45:04
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, very, very event.
• 45:06
  Laura Dheygers: But this, this stayed in the energy and in the land, and really no one ever realized that it's actually still there.
• 45:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it does stay in the land, doesn't it?
• 45:17
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 45:18
  Tracy Cartwright: And And it shows up in your family system.
• 45:21
  Tracy Cartwright: I mean, there are many so different ways.
• 45:24
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, it did.
• 45:25
  Laura Dheygers: It did.
• 45:25
  Laura Dheygers: I believe that This is also one of the reasons why I even entered this journey of financial trauma and working with healing of financial trauma, because this is all about finances.
• 45:38
  Laura Dheygers: This is all what happened there?
• 45:39
  Laura Dheygers: You had to leave everything you owned.
• 45:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 45:42
  Laura Dheygers: Just go somewhere else.
• 45:43
  Laura Dheygers: And then other people came and they were able to establish their lives on that.
• 45:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Tracy Cartwright: And we're, and we're seeing that today, aren't we?
• 45:51
  Tracy Cartwright: People that have had to leave, uh, leave their own countries and try and, and new lives and then others come in and take their places in their countries and, you know, once the war settles down or the takeover is complete or all this happening.
• 46:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 46:09
  Laura Dheygers: exactly.
• 46:09
  Laura Dheygers: But we forget, uh, that.
• 46:12
  Laura Dheygers: Actually in place like this, there is a lot of trauma, anger, hatred.
• 46:18
  Laura Dheygers: Mm-hmm.
• 46:18
  Tracy Cartwright: And repeated cycles of it.
• 46:20
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 46:21
  Laura Dheygers: Exactly.
• 46:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 46:23
  Tracy Cartwright: So the work that you are doing and your, um, that you are clearing in your own ancestral line, have you seen the ripple effects within your family system with your siblings and your parents and cousins?
• 46:35
  Laura Dheygers: Yes, yes.
• 46:36
  Laura Dheygers: Yeah.
• 46:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 46:37
  Laura Dheygers: Definitely.
• 46:38
  Laura Dheygers: Definitely seen it in, uh, my own, um, life, my own, uh, family.
• 46:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 46:47
  Laura Dheygers: And then I can see the ING effect, uh, going to further.
• 46:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
• 46:53
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, you're doing an amazing job.
• 46:55
  Laura Dheygers: Oh, thank you.
• 46:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, you know, like there are, so I love, the thing I love about this work is that there are so different avenues and, um.
• 47:04
  Tracy Cartwright: That we all have our own ways of coming to it as well.
• 47:08
  Laura Dheygers: Yes.
• 47:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 47:10
  Tracy Cartwright: And yeah.
• 47:11
  Tracy Cartwright: So grateful that you are Yeah.
• 47:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Exploring this realm of, uh, constellation work and Yeah.
• 47:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Making it more ease useful for people.
• 47:23
  Tracy Cartwright: To find financial abundance, and I know that you do a lot of work around the flow of love as well.
• 47:31
  Laura Dheygers: Fine tuning our system so we can find that frequency.
• 47:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 47:37
  Laura Dheygers: And enter it.
• 47:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 47:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, thank you so much for saying yes to coming on and being part of this
• 47:44
  Laura Dheygers: Thank you,
• 47:44
  Tracy Cartwright: um, podcast with me today and I look forward to meeting you in person sometime.
• 47:49
  Tracy Cartwright: We've seemed to have skirted around, um, meeting in person, but I know that it's gonna line up and, uh, yeah, we'll have an opportunity to meet some day soon.
• 47:58
  Laura Dheygers: Thank you Tracy, for having me.
• 48:01
  Laura Dheygers: I really appreciate that I could be here in this space and share it with you.
• 48:06
  Laura Dheygers: Um, it's fascinating that you are bringing this work to more people and I definitely support that.
• 48:16
  Laura Dheygers: So it's really wonderful, um, to meet you and yes, I hope that we can meet in person sooner than later.
• 48:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
• 48:24
  Tracy Cartwright: That'll be amazing.
• 48:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Thanks for being, um, yeah.
• 48:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Being that bright light that you are.
• 48:29
  Tracy Cartwright: I can see that.
• 48:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 48:31
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