Latest / Becker’s Healthcare - Clinical Leadership Podcast / Dr. Navneet Dang MD MBA, Chief Medical Officer, Geisinger Community Medical Center Scranton Pennsylvania
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- 1:15This is Laura Dierdahl with the Becker's Healthcare
- 1:17podcast.
- 1:18I'm thrilled today to be joined by doctor
- 1:19Navneet Dang, chief medical officer at Geisinger Health.
- 1:22Doctor Dang, it's a pleasure to have you
- 1:24on the podcast today.
- 1:26Thank you, Laura. It's my pleasure to be
- 1:28here with you today, at Becker's,
- 1:31podcast, and, thank you for the opportunity.
- 1:34My pleasure. And, you know, I'm really looking
- 1:36forward to hearing from you because I know
- 1:37Geisinger
- 1:38is really a leader in innovation,
- 1:40and you're doing a great many things right
- 1:42now, that could really be instructive for a
- 1:44great deal of our audience. And so I'm
- 1:46excited to dive in. But before we do,
- 1:48could you tell us a little bit more
- 1:50about yourself and your background?
- 1:52Yeah. Sure.
- 1:53So my name is Navani Dang.
- 1:56I'm an internal medicine physician by trade,
- 1:59practicing medicine and has been in health care
- 2:02for about 20 plus years.
- 2:05I have been a health care executive and,
- 2:07joined Geisinger Health about 8 years back.
- 2:11And since then, I have been in various,
- 2:13leadership positions within Geisinger.
- 2:16For last 3 years, I am in the
- 2:18role of chief medical officer,
- 2:21and,
- 2:22oversee
- 2:23clinical operations, medical affairs,
- 2:26service line growth, business development in the Scranton
- 2:30market.
- 2:31I oversee a Tertiary Care Medical Center in
- 2:34Scranton,
- 2:35which is a level 2 trauma center
- 2:37and also the teaching hospital
- 2:40for Geisinger Commonwealth School of Medicine
- 2:43and,
- 2:44our various northeast residency and fellowship programs.
- 2:49We are the busiest medical center in Scranton
- 2:51area, and, we accept transfers transfers
- 2:55from all the other outlying hospitals in the
- 2:57area.
- 2:58And our vision as a health system is
- 3:01to make better health easier for our patients
- 3:04and communities.
- 3:05We serve in northeast Pennsylvania.
- 3:08I'm glad to be here with you today,
- 3:09Laura.
- 3:11Oh, absolutely.
- 3:12My pleasure. You know, I I love that
- 3:15tagline of making health care better for your
- 3:17communities.
- 3:17I I think, truly, that is such an
- 3:20important mission and vision. And, you know, given
- 3:22your journey and, how you evolved your career,
- 3:25what do you see as being some of
- 3:27the top priorities for the rest of this
- 3:28year? I know health care is in such
- 3:30a transformational time right now, and so I'd
- 3:32love to get your perspective on what's top
- 3:34of mind for you.
- 3:37Yeah. No. Thank you for the question. This
- 3:39is this is a great question. So I
- 3:41will say a couple things.
- 3:44Patient safety,
- 3:46journey to 0 harm,
- 3:49and,
- 3:50focus on
- 3:51providing overall high quality care for our patients
- 3:55has always been top of mind for for
- 3:58us.
- 3:59I would say that, for rest of the
- 4:02year, that is going to be,
- 4:04our main focus,
- 4:06in terms of how can we improve,
- 4:09patient safety for our patients? How can we
- 4:12reduce
- 4:13hospital acquired infections?
- 4:15How can we
- 4:16make journey to 0 harm a reality for
- 4:19our patients.
- 4:21And,
- 4:22the other
- 4:23focus for rest of the year,
- 4:25is going to be optimizing
- 4:28access.
- 4:29While we continue to provide
- 4:32care for,
- 4:33very sick patients in the in our emergency
- 4:36rooms
- 4:37and,
- 4:38they continue to get admitted in the hospital.
- 4:41But how can we move the care
- 4:43upstream
- 4:46and, make sure that our patients have appropriate
- 4:50access in the primary care office,
- 4:52and also
- 4:54access to specialty care and access to,
- 4:58screenings
- 4:59so that we can
- 5:01move
- 5:02the care upstream
- 5:04and reduce our emergency room utilization and also
- 5:09inpatient,
- 5:10utilization
- 5:11for our patients and
- 5:13communities we serve in Northeastern Pennsylvania.
- 5:16So the goal is always to,
- 5:19keep our communities and patients
- 5:21healthier
- 5:22and,
- 5:23see if we can avoid the hospitalization.
- 5:26But if they need hospitalization,
- 5:28and ER visits, we are there for them
- 5:30as well. So I would say those are
- 5:32some of the key priorities for rest of
- 5:34the year.
- 5:36That makes a lot of sense. You know,
- 5:38really aligns with a lot of what I'm
- 5:40hearing from leaders across across the country in
- 5:43thinking about access and trying to figure out
- 5:45the best way to and most streamlined way
- 5:47to, direct patients. Like you said, some will
- 5:50need the inpatient care of the hospital, while
- 5:52others,
- 5:53you know, could use more access to specialty
- 5:56care, primary care, and some
- 5:58of the other clinical services within the community.
- 6:01So, you know, when you look at that,
- 6:03I know that, nationally,
- 6:05we certainly have the booming shortage of specialists
- 6:08in health care,
- 6:09and physicians and clinicians in general.
- 6:11How do you think about access? How do
- 6:13you make sure that the patients
- 6:15know where to go depending on,
- 6:17what their challenges or what their issue is
- 6:19and really direct them in the right way
- 6:21so that, you know, you can be as
- 6:23streamlined as possible in delivering that care and
- 6:26making sure they've got,
- 6:28clinicians as well are optimized
- 6:30in their time and their schedules too.
- 6:33Yeah.
- 6:34Again,
- 6:36great question.
- 6:37I don't think there is a there is
- 6:39an easy solution to this,
- 6:41But,
- 6:42our focus has really been on providing,
- 6:46that team based care approach.
- 6:49And,
- 6:50we are really making sure that we are
- 6:52providing right care,
- 6:54at the right place at the right time
- 6:56for our patients and communities
- 6:58that we serve.
- 7:00We are really
- 7:02leveraging
- 7:03our APPs
- 7:04a lot
- 7:05in this team based care approach,
- 7:08And, we are also leveraging telehealth services,
- 7:12to make sure that our patients have,
- 7:15access to care,
- 7:17at the right place and at the right
- 7:18time. And we are always
- 7:21not seeing them in the emergency room or,
- 7:25you know, in the hospital.
- 7:27One of the things that,
- 7:28we have done
- 7:30in terms of patients who get admitted to
- 7:33the hospital,
- 7:35we are leveraging our remote patient monitoring,
- 7:39tools,
- 7:40post discharge.
- 7:42And there is a whole care team who
- 7:44is able to monitor these patients after discharge
- 7:48from the hospital
- 7:49to prevent,
- 7:51readmissions
- 7:52and prevent ED utilization
- 7:55from happening.
- 7:57So I would say those are some of
- 7:58the tactics that we have deployed
- 8:00to make sure that our patients have, the
- 8:03right access.
- 8:06Well, that's great to hear. And, you know,
- 8:07certainly,
- 8:08some really powerful solutions, it sounds like, to,
- 8:12kind of get,
- 8:14the system
- 8:15systems in place and the right support for
- 8:17patients as they're going through their health care
- 8:19journeys, whether it's with the APPs, telehealth, or
- 8:22some of the remote patient monitoring,
- 8:24to tackle some of those issues. So that's
- 8:26great to hear. Thank you so much, doctor
- 8:28Dang. And along those lines, you know,
- 8:31are there any other programs or initiatives that
- 8:33have been really needle moving for you in
- 8:35the last year or so?
- 8:38Yeah. Thank you. So,
- 8:40couple things come to mind
- 8:43in terms of, some of the,
- 8:46work in 2023.
- 8:48We have been really laser focused in terms
- 8:51of providing high quality care, as I said,
- 8:54in my introduction,
- 8:56for our patients and communities in Northeast Pennsylvania.
- 9:01CMS,
- 9:025 star is one of our strategic
- 9:04focus areas
- 9:06and is also one of our strategic priority.
- 9:09Because I truly believe that if you don't
- 9:13measure, you can't improve.
- 9:16And under CMS 5 star,
- 9:18there are more than 50 measures
- 9:21into 5 big buckets of quality,
- 9:24which are mortality,
- 9:25readmission, patient experience,
- 9:28patient safety, and harm measures are also part
- 9:30of,
- 9:31CMS 5 Star.
- 9:33And,
- 9:34there are KPIs under timeliness of care as
- 9:37well.
- 9:38What we did to make sure that,
- 9:41we are improving our clinical outcomes,
- 9:45we created a multidisciplinary
- 9:47structure.
- 9:48And as a part of
- 9:50this multidisciplinary
- 9:52structure, we have multiple teams
- 9:54comprising of, physicians,
- 9:57nursing staff, care management.
- 9:59Again, a team based approach
- 10:01who continue to look at our performance.
- 10:05We use Vizient as our,
- 10:08internal
- 10:10data vendor and also look at benchmarking across
- 10:13the industry
- 10:15so that we are able to focus on
- 10:17patient outcomes.
- 10:19And we also focused heavily on
- 10:22journey to 0 harm initiatives
- 10:25so that we could improve our
- 10:27performance and minimize patient harm. As a result
- 10:31of all these efforts,
- 10:33we achieved leapfrog a ratings
- 10:36this year,
- 10:37from,
- 10:39in our spring 2024
- 10:41ratings.
- 10:42And, this is the 2nd year in a
- 10:45row
- 10:46that,
- 10:47we maintained our CMS ratings as a 4
- 10:50star,
- 10:51medical center,
- 10:52which we are extremely proud of. And that
- 10:54means we are providing high quality care for
- 10:58our patients and communities that we serve in
- 11:00Northeastern
- 11:01Pennsylvania.
- 11:03That's amazing to hear. You know? And what
- 11:05great results in thinking about, you know, the
- 11:07CMS 5 star hospital league, frog a ratings.
- 11:10Certainly a great reflection of the type of
- 11:12carrier delivering in the operation that you run
- 11:14at Geisinger.
- 11:16And, you know, one thing stood out to
- 11:18me about what you were saying and talking
- 11:20about in terms of becoming more of a
- 11:21data driven organization,
- 11:23using tools like business platform and and a
- 11:26partnership there.
- 11:28I I know this is a a big
- 11:30challenge for a lot of organizations as they're
- 11:32trying to incorporate more data and information into
- 11:36the care delivery processes and systems. Some,
- 11:39clinicians, you know, jump on it right away
- 11:41while others need a little bit more time
- 11:43or need some convincing.
- 11:45How easy it has been to really become
- 11:46more of a data driven culture at Geisinger?
- 11:48What have you done to,
- 11:50really bring everybody on board and move in
- 11:52the right direction when you think about the
- 11:55type of information and type of data that,
- 11:57you're producing for your overall team?
- 12:01Yeah. Thanks, Laura. This this is again,
- 12:04a great questions.
- 12:06So one of the things,
- 12:08that we have done, we wanted to make
- 12:11sure that how do we
- 12:13leverage
- 12:14data and how do we change the data
- 12:18into information
- 12:19and create that knowledge sharing,
- 12:22that is needed for our teams to act
- 12:24on. One of the things we did, we
- 12:26created what we call as accountable care unit
- 12:29model,
- 12:31where there is a diet partnership
- 12:33between a physician and a nursing leader,
- 12:37who continue to look at all the patient
- 12:40outcomes on their specific unit, whether
- 12:43it's hospital acquired infections, like central line associated
- 12:47bloodstream infections,
- 12:48or catheter associated urinary tract infections,
- 12:53falls or pressure injuries, all the patient heart
- 12:56measures
- 12:57or whether
- 12:58it's, length of stay or,
- 13:01any other throughput measures.
- 13:04And they work together as a diet leadership
- 13:07team
- 13:08to drive performance and improve patient outcomes.
- 13:11I would say that that has been extremely
- 13:14successful.
- 13:16Again,
- 13:17a team based approach
- 13:19where physicians and nursing teams,
- 13:22even at the middle management level and at
- 13:25the unit level,
- 13:26are driving performance. I would say that has
- 13:29been really impactful for us.
- 13:32Well, doctor Dang, it's been such a pleasure
- 13:34speaking with you. I know we've talked a
- 13:35lot about Geisinger's, some of the different goals
- 13:39around patient safety, zero harm, high quality care
- 13:41for your entire community, and the accomplishments you've
- 13:44achieved with the CMS 5 star rating as
- 13:47well as becoming more data driven in leapfrog
- 13:50a, which is amazing to hear and see
- 13:52those results. Now I wanted to look a
- 13:54little bit into the future before we wrapped
- 13:56up our conversation.
- 13:57How are you thinking about growth and member
- 13:59experience going forward?
- 14:02Yeah. Thanks, Laura. Another great question.
- 14:06I would say that for me,
- 14:09we realize
- 14:11growth has how do we improve access to
- 14:13care
- 14:14and
- 14:15move the care upstream.
- 14:17Whether it's primary care access or whether it's
- 14:21access to specialty care
- 14:24or whether it's access to screening.
- 14:27Whether it's mammograms,
- 14:29whether it's,
- 14:31colonoscopies.
- 14:33So I think that would be our main
- 14:36strategic focus
- 14:38and we are focusing heavily on providing value
- 14:40based care.
- 14:42We know that how can we move the
- 14:44care outside the four walls of the hospital
- 14:47closer to home has been a strategic priority
- 14:50for us.
- 14:51We know that when we take care of
- 14:54our congestive heart failure patients or COPD patients
- 14:58and patients
- 14:59who have other chronic diseases
- 15:02as a part of our primary care offices
- 15:05or in the specialty care offices,
- 15:07we are able to keep these patients healthy
- 15:11and keep them out of the hospital.
- 15:13So I would say that,
- 15:15providing
- 15:16access
- 15:17is one of our growth strategy.
- 15:20And, certainly, that also helps to improve our
- 15:23patient experience and our member experience.
- 15:26So that will be our strategic focus going
- 15:29forward.
- 15:30It's fascinating to hear. I know that transition
- 15:33to more care and monitoring in the home,
- 15:36is huge for the entire health care industry
- 15:39and great to know when,
- 15:41that you're thinking through that and, taking innovative
- 15:44approach of how to achieve quality,
- 15:47care and outcomes and and use that,
- 15:49appropriately.
- 15:51Doctor Dang, thank you so much for joining
- 15:52us on the podcast today. This has been
- 15:54a really fun conversation, and I look forward
- 15:56to connecting with you again soon.
- 15:58Yeah. No. Thanks, Laura, for your time, and
- 16:00appreciate the opportunity.