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UK Column News - 3rd November 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon, it's Monday the 3rd of November 2025, just after
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1:00 and welcome to UK Column News.
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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. My Co host in the studio today
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is Ben Rubin. Welcome to the programme Ben,
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Mike. And joining us by video link are
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Sandy Adams and Diane Rasmussen. Later in the programme, Sandy's
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going to be reporting on a genetic AI and what that means
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for our governance. She's also gonna have an update
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on Project Servitor, which we last reported in fact in 2019.
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Diane will be covering digital ID and gender issues.
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And I've more on, well, I've, I've got some stuff on the
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success in fact, of against the EU censorship agenda.
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And I'll also be taking a look at Med Safety Week, which is
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this week begins today. We're going to begin, then with
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the stabbings on the train which stopped at Huntington.
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We are indeed. Good afternoon everybody.
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The country has been on a state of high alert over the weekend
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after a knife attack on a train at Huntington station in
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Cambridgeshire. A man has been arrested and
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charged with 10 counts of attempted murder.
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This is an appalling situation. Our thoughts are with the
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victims of these crimes and also with the witnesses.
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I was actually personally caught up in a similar situation to
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this on London Bridge back in 2017 and I know that that stuck
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with me for quite a long time. So the collateral damage from
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this is going to be huge. And importantly, the public
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response must be level headed because it's already being used
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to further stoke racial, religious and political tensions
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in the country with a view to punitive crackdowns on our civil
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liberties, no doubt. Now the BBC of course, have been
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at the forefront of this. They've been running live
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coverage over the weekend. This was their home page this
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morning. The incident has its own
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timeline on the BBC website you can see here, kicking off
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earlier on today at 6:40. AMA story about a train worker
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being in hospital and a suspect apprehended, with images from
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the scene at 6:49, how the stabbing unfolded, with a map of
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the train and timeline describing key events from the
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situation at 757. Heidi Alexander, Transport
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Secretary, has announced that there will be increased police
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presence in train stations to make us all feel more secure, of
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course. And this side of the being
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armed. Well, I don't know.
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We'll see, yeah, militarisation of the police absolutely playing
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out in the background. And of course, then AT-817-A
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former senior copper being rolled out to demand increased
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security on trains. You can see where this whole
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thing is heading. I think the Royals have chipped
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in already today, the works. They're really throwing
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everything at this. A security review has already
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been announced. It's going to have a look over
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on the Guardian. Heidi Alexander is quoted as
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saying that metal detectors at train stations would make life
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impossible and she's going to all other options, which I think
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probably tells us that that's exactly what they're thinking of
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doing. They they want to bring in metal
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detectors. They want to make it more
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difficult for people to travel around the UK without being
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interfered with by the state apparatus.
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We can see, as I've already said, where this is heading to.
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The Guardian, of course, didn't miss a trick with taking a dig
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at the far right, so we can see here the police were forced to
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disclose ethnicity of suspects to counter far right
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speculation, as if wanting to know who's been apprehended for
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the crime is itself some kind of criminal activity.
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And this included a comment from Dao Babu OBE, a former
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Metropolitan Police Chief Superintendent who was the first
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chair of the National Association of Muslim Police and
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also a Common Purpose graduate. He did the Matrix programme back
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in 2001. So I think tells you quite a bit
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about this. As I said, a man has been
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arrested, a gentleman called Anthony Williams of 32 years,
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based in Peterborough. He's been charged with 10 counts
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of attempted murder. To answer the question posed by
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the Guardian, I believe that he's of Afro Caribbean descent.
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And importantly, just as a final point, we can see at the bottom
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there that he's also been charged with another count of
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attempted murder and possession of a bladed article in
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connection with an incident on the DLR earlier on that day.
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So. For those non Brits around us,
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that's the Docklands Light Railway which is in London.
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Absolutely, yeah. So I think this one's going to
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run on and on. So how come he wasn't arrested
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for the DLR attack? Well, it's because we don't have
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digital ID. Oh, I see, right.
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And facial recognition and all of that other stuff and and
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metal gates that would have stopped him.
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Yes, indeed. OK, well that the stark warning
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there for anybody that's getting motivated by this, the
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motivation needs to be heading in the right direction.
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But yeah, don't, don't react emotionally to this fellows in
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particular. OK, well look, let's move on
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then to online safety and well, back in 19 when the, it's for
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2019, sorry. When the online harms white
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paper was published, a key feature of it was the concept of
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legal but harmful content. Uh, this was problematic because
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the idea of legal but harmful was not defined.
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Uh, and the question of who was to make the decision about what
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was considered harmful content was not really specified.
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Uh, while the subsequent online safety bill was being debated in
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parliament, the idea of legal but harmful was dropped from the
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legislation. It was way too controversial.
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It was too much pushback for it and it was actually a danger
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that the bill would not go through.
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So they dropped that, but it never actually went away.
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So the latest go at getting embedded into the censorship
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regime has been published by Ofcom in the past few days under
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the guise of what they call unlocking choice, giving users
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more control over the content they see online.
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And they say that many adults frequently certainly encounter
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content online that they consider to be harmful, yet very
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few make use of existing content control tools and safety
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features. This raises an important
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question, they say. How could we unlock choice and
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give users more control over the content they see?
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And so they conducted, they claim, a large scale randomised
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control trial with a national representative sample of over
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3650 UK adults. That's impressive, Ben.
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Not really. OK.
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And this is to test the impact of different choice
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architectures, they say, on the decisions users made regarding
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their sensitive contact controls.
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So here we have a new term, sensitive content.
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And what does it mean is the question.
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Well, something of note here is who has produced this research
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and that's Ofcom's Behavioural Insights Hub.
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And but As for sensitive content, in the paper they
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identify that the sorry they identify that the trial quotes
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contains discussion of potentially distressing online
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content related to suicide, self harm, eating disorders, abuse
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and hate. Now the trial definition
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emphasises that content is legal and so sensitive content does
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not go against Ofcom's community guidelines, but refers to topics
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some people don't want to see and they talk about that in the
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technical report. There's something fishy here
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because suicide, self harm, graphic violence, eating
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disorders, abuse, hate, these are within the scope Ben, of
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Ofcom's definition of illegal harms.
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And in fact, the platforms were required to run a risk
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assessment on these types of harms for all the platforms.
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So what are they talking about? Because the paper then cites
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another paper titled Behavioural Insights to Empower Social Media
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Users. And Ofcom notes that use in that
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paper that users were asked about their exposure to quotes
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potentially harmful content on social media.
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And the examples given included content related to violence,
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abuse, hatred, self harm, unhealthy diets, reading
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disorders, or any other content that can be considered
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offensive, inappropriate and cause serious distress.
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And the phrase any other content causing serious distress
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suggests somewhat broader scope than just the regulated the
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already regulated illegal issues.
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So here we are right back to 2019 with broad brush non
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definitions designed to capture any content viewed as harmful.
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But I would argue that this is designed to capture content
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considered harmful to the regime, not the individual
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social media users. Well, I mean distress define
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distress, you know, and people get distressed at anything at
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these days. I mean, the political opinion
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they don't agree with. Is that distressing?
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They could well be. I think they certainly would
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fall into the into the category. Now Ofcom has launched a call
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for evidence for 2 reports that they have to produce under the
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Online Safety Act about the use of effectiveness of age
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assurance and the use of app stores by children.
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Now the report I think that we should be most interested is the
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is the age assurance one, because that is one of the
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pathways to digital ID that we've talked about quite a lot
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over the last number of weeks and months.
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They're going to look at how providers of regulated services
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have used age assurance to comply with their duties under
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the Online Safety Act and how effective it's been and whether
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there are factors that have prevented or hindered the effect
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of use of age assurance such as cost or user privacy.
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User privacy is not a consideration as far as they're
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concerned. But anyway, there is going to be
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plenty to say about that and the, the link for the the
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investigation is going to be in the show notes.
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But the, the key point here is if there's a risk in this, it's
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mainly the risk that every one of us is put out as a result of
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having to spread our photo IDs across the Internet with all
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kinds of digital identity companies that are out there.
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But this investigation is not going to deal with the elephant,
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which is still sitting right there in the middle of the room.
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We've talked about it many times because their age insurance
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cheques do nothing to protect children, being groomed on
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platforms designed for children, where adults are posing as
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children, and where there is no possibility of age assurance
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being rolled out because children don't necessarily have
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ID. The question is, is this going
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to force children at an ever younger age to get some form of
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digital identification that demonstrates their age?
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We shall see. Now let's move on to the better
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news related to censorship and so on.
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And that is the that the European Council has once again
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had to step back from it's controversial chat control
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proposal. Now, chat control is a plan that
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would require the widespread scanning of encrypted messages
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under the guise of protecting children with child sexual
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abuse, with respect to child sexual, sorry, child sexual
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abuse material. Now, Denmark holds the
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presidency of the European Council at the moment, and
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they've taken the decision to remove child control from the
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agenda because of the massive opposition to it.
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So it is rejected. The final death blow came in the
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middle of October, as we reported at the time, when
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Germany removed its support. And this was mainly because
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Denmark had brought back a provision in the draught law
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That would mean that online platforms such as messaging apps
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could be served with what are described as mandatory child
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sexual abuse material detection orders.
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And this would have included platforms like WhatsApp or
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Signal, which implement end to end encryption.
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But the Danish justice minister, Peter Homegaard has told local
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press, and we'll just do a quick translation of this, that the
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council presidency would move away from mandatory detection
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orders and instead support see some detections remaining on a
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voluntary basis in the hope that they can regain support for it.
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The Danish are concerned that if no agreement is reached on the
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proposal, even voluntary scanning will not happen once
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the current legal scheme that they have already imposed runs
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out in April 2026. And nonetheless, that is a
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positive step because there's been so much pushback against
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this that they don't feel that they can proceed with it.
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And it absolutely demonstrates when the pushback is there, they
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can't proceed. That is good news.
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There's something rotten in the state of Denmark.
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Like they're, they're right at the forefront of a lot of this
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stuff at the moment, Not just on censorship, on all of these sort
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of social innovation transformation issues.
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Absolutely. I mean it is kind of a
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coincidence in this case because they just happen to have the
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European Council presidency right now.
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But of course the UK still pressing ahead with the idea of
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preventing end to end encryption and so on.
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But we will keep you posted on that as we go.
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But let's welcome Sandy, the programme, Sandy, and, well, a
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term that many people may not have heard and that is agentic.
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Absolutely. And, and this is, uh, This is
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why I, why I picked this subject today, because we're talking
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about at the moment, the, the WEF and, uh, and, and the, uh,
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the governance boards in, in Ukraine and Berlin are pushing
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the, the rise of agenda, the agentic state.
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Now in March 2025, some significant events took place
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with the objective of, of advancing towards a single
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concept, which is AI agents capable of perceiving, planning
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and acting with minimal human intervention.
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So what this means is giving agency to AI over over humans.
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And this is this is really quite chilling.
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Now the first slide I, I'm I just wanted to flag this one up.
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It's the most visible banner was for the chat box summit at the
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Ritz Carlton Berlin hotel earlier this year, explicitly
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themed mastering a gentic AI together, bringing global
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industry leaders to centre the shift from chat to action taking
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systems. Now these action taking systems
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are actually AI driven. So this links up with the WEF
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Foundation of impact from AI agents white paper last year.
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And then if I could have slide the next slide.
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At the same time, Ukraine and Germany jointly launched what
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they call the Global Gov Tech Board, billed as the world's
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first international platform for digital governance.
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And this marks the next step in how governments and artificial
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intelligence are starting to emerge.
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Now, who's behind it? As you can see on that panel is
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is Mikhailo Fedorov, who's Ukraine's minister of digital
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transformation, the man behind Ukraine's DIA app, often
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described as a state in a smartphone.
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You've got Marcus Richter, Germany's state secretary for
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the Interior and IT commissioner, and Manuel
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Killian, head of the Global Government Technology Centre in
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Berlin. Now these two centres, one in
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Kiev and one in Berlin, will now coordinate the global digital
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government policy under this new board.
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And you know what they what what they say it's for officially is
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about innovation, cybersecurity and citizen services.
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The press release talks about developing technological
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solutions for citizens and creating joint international
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projects. Now the word agentic is derived
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from the noun agent, meaning one that exerts power, something
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that can produce an effect. And the suffix I see and what it
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becomes, it would becomes an adjective, adjective agentic,
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where it refers to the ability to act independently and achieve
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outcomes. We're led to believe that this
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is a positive thing. In plain English, it's about
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embedding AI systems deeper into government decision making, from
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how we perceive benefits, how regulations are enforced, to how
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data, how how how citizens data is analysed and acted upon.
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The bigger picture. The agentic state idea Around
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the same time, a white paper from Berlin's Go Global Gov tech
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centre introduced the term agentic state state.
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Now it's this bit, it's a bit sort of worrying really, because
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the next slide is you've got to Keir Starmer with Palantir in
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Ukraine earlier on in the year and the Palantir connection and
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the war laboratory is, is, is is really sentient.
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Really the the fact that this is all happening.
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Ukraine has already been a real world leader test case for the
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fusion of data, AI and governance.
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And Palantir has worked closely with Ukraine's military
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ministries. So Palantir CACEO has said
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outright that his company involved in the most of the
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targeting of Ukraine. So it's the same architecture
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that helps coordinate a battlefield in peacetime, can be
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used to run a digital state. It's fast, it's efficient and
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largely automated. So the next slide is the
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Government Technology Centre, opened in Berlin in 2024 to
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accelerate governance digital transformation.
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So why Berlin matters? It's not just the host city for
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these events, it's becoming a hub for global digital
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governance worldwide, the place where governments and tech firms
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meet to align standards. This is where the line between
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governing with AI and being governed by AI starts to blur.
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Now the next slide is the BMJ's report.
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They reported that Palantir gets a £480 million contract to run
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the NHS data platforms. So where is the oversight in
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patient GDPR? And then the next slide is the
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the agentic state white paper. Now this is, this is quite
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worrying because on page 20 of that white paper, the next
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slide, the agentic stake signifies a fundamental shift in
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governance where AI systems can perceive, reason, and act with
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minimal human intervention to deliver public value.
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Human oversight will increasingly move from making
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decisions to supervising them. This shifts may seem
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uncomfortable. You bet.
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So what does this mean for all of us?
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On the surface, a genetic AI promises convenience.
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Faster form smoother systems where the power and
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responsibility live underneath that, that, that, that what they
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say. That when decisions are
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automated, accountability dissolves.
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And when the chain of command runs through this code, appeals
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become impossible. So slide 9 is all about Milgram
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warning telling us about this since rather chilling from the
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past in he warned us about this. In 1961, psychologist Stanley
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Milgram used the term agentic state to describe what happens
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when people in stressful situations obediently transfer
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responsibility to their actions and defer agency, appealing to
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authority and surrendering their personal agency and their
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conscience and their values to an authoritative figure.
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In his experiments at Harvard in in 1961, his volunteers obeyed
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orders to harm others using electric shocks.
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The volunteers, unaware that the experiment was staged,
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administered deadly levels of electric shocks on on the orders
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of actors in white coats with chip boards and assumed
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authority from a famous university.
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It was stated by Milburn that 65 to to 95% of people under stress
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from authority will obey orders that they know are wrong.
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And now, half a century later, that same phrase, a gentic
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stake, is being used to describe governments run by artificial
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intelligence. And that's no coincidence.
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I mean, interestingly, it was the same percentage of people,
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65% plus, who obeyed the government and the mainstream
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media during the vaccine roll out.
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People appealed to who they perceived were in authority.
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It was also used in World War 2 by the Nazis.
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The question is who remains accountable that well when the
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algorithm acts. So if I could have the next
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slide allowing others to direct your actions and passing
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responsibility to the person giving the orders, that's that's
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you know, that's, that's kind of what it means.
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And 12, the next slide, moving from a state of autonomy to an
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agented state, you feel less responsible for your own actions
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and behave as the agent to the authority figure.
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Now you know this, this is it. I, you know, we, we, we, we're
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at this stage where all of this is happening.
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Now, Klaus Schwab had a tough time in Dubai from the United
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Arab leaders and investors who are concerned about people not
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trusting this plan, quite rightly.
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And here's the hard sell. There was some question the Arab
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leaders were questioning the speed of the rollout.
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So if we could just roll that that video please.
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Now, if we look at the future, minister, you mentioned the lack
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of trust, Yes, if you look at the future, many people are
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afraid because the progress is so fast, so complex.
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Can we understand? I have to confess, even writing
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at the moment a book on the intelligent age, I don't
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understand all the aspects. So what is the consequence of
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not understanding? It's being afraid of the future.
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So governments have also the task to explain to the people,
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to be educators, to show them that actually those technologies
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have more opportunities than, say, entail threats.
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Now the future is not happening. The future is shaped by us.
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The future is shaped particularly and has to be
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shaped through cooperation and collaborative efforts between
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governments, business and civil society.
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The worst what we could, what could happen is not just we lose
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trust into governments or business.
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The worst what would could happen is that we lose trust in
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our future and the future is not happening.
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The future is shaped by us, as I mentioned.
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Interesting. I mean, he seems to be worried
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that, that, that people aren't trusting him and quite, quite
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rightly. And of course he says that, you
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know, the future belongs to to them.
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The question is who remains accountable when the algorithm
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acts? You know, have we learned our
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lesson? We should pay attention now
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while we still have a say because once authority becomes
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automated, it's very hard to take it back.
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And when the genie is out of the bottle, we can't put it back.
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Thank you, Sandy. Thank you for that.
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OK. Let's move on to Diane then and
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welcome to the programme, Diane and what's been going on in
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Darlington with respect to nursing there?
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Yes, thanks Mike. Hello everyone.
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It's good to be here today. I thought as the Northern
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Correspondent for UK column, I should remind everyone that
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there is a very major case going on right now in Newcastle taking
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place such employment tribunal involving 8 nurses who work at
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Darlington Memorial Hospital and they have filed legal action
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against the County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
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for sexual harassment and sex discrimination.
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They're saying that the changing room policies that have been in
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place there for a number of years now have put the nation at
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risk in their words and specifically women.
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People may or may not know that when they work at a hospital,
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NHS businesses have to come to work in their own clothing and
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then change into their nursing uniforms upon their arrival at
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the hospital. And the reason this has all
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become an issue now is because of someone who was named in the
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media anyway as Rose Henderson, who is a physical male
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identifying as female. He is reported to be very large
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physically and has not made any attempt whatsoever at taking
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hormones or having surgery to even appear as female.
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He has been using this changing room for women only since 2019.
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So eventually in March 2024, there were 26 nurses from this
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hospital and they signed a letter complaining to management
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about this person's use of the women's changing room and the
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alleged conduct in there. I don't know what that is
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specifically. HR told them, however, that they
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needed to quote, broaden their mindset and be more quote,
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inclusive after they asked not to share the changing room,
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which is meant to be single sex base with a biological man.
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The trust has also told them that it was OK that the this
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happened because he has said he is a woman, so therefore there's
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not a problem. I've watched some videos where
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they've interviewed the nurses and so on, and some of these
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will be in the show notes. Wonder said that, you know, and
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I think this is an excellent point as someone who's been
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through something similar, is that we shouldn't have to be
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brave to speak out for why the women don't feel safe with a man
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entering their spaces. The tribunal is still ongoing
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and I will continue to follow it and report on it.
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But just as an update, just on the 31st of October and Friday,
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Gillian Bailey, who is the workforce experience manager
26:25
according to the BBC, told the tribunal that once a person had
26:28
declared to a line manager that they were quotes living their
26:32
life fully and that gender, whatever that means, they could
26:36
use the single sex space that matched their preference.
26:39
And the barrister for the nurses asked if that would then mean
26:42
that people whose biological sex did correspond with the single
26:45
sex facility would therefore not have, quote, exclusive right to
26:48
that space. To which Mrs Bailey replied,
26:51
yes, The policy that has been in place since 2021 stated that
26:55
anyone not wanting to share their single sex space should
26:58
use quote, alternative facilities, although it did not
27:02
specify what those should be according to what was said to
27:05
the tribunal. So as I said, I will continue to
27:07
report on this, but there are some questions to ask here as
27:09
well. What is really going on?
27:12
Why is this continuing to happen?
27:13
We've seen the case which there's still some issues
27:16
ongoing with the nurse Sandy Pagan Peggy in Scotland.
27:20
She was cleared of gross misconduct charges by NHS 5:00
27:24
earlier this year for the same issue for saying that she didn't
27:27
feel comfortable being forced to change clothes with a biological
27:30
man who has been identified in the media as Doctor Beth Upton.
27:35
So I have a video clip here. This is not obviously not Rose
27:38
Henderson, but there was this is another man who is identifying
27:42
as a woman. This was an interview that took
27:45
place with this person along with Kelly J Keane or Posey
27:49
Parker, depending on how you know her and Edge of the Matrix.
27:53
They were talking to this person just outside of the tribunal
27:56
court just over a week ago. So let's watch a clip from this
27:59
particular video, please. Not to use women any spaces, OK.
28:05
That's fine if you can identify for me.
28:12
I'm getting frustrated where people are getting confused
28:18
between biological sex. Yeah, biological and gender.
28:22
Yeah, biological sex means you can't come into women only
28:26
spaces. But being trans is a protective
28:33
characteristic of. The Equality Act, Yeah, but not
28:36
in a women only toilet it's not. It's a protective characteristic
28:39
of the Equality Act. Yeah, but not to to allow you in
28:42
women only spaces. It's not.
28:43
Based on biological sex. That's what the Supreme Court
28:48
ruling confirmed. Was funded by funded by JK
28:56
Rowling with billions. Didn't listen to trans voices.
28:59
We had we, we had the trans judges which were refused to
29:06
give evidence. We didn't have our voices heard
29:09
in it. The EHRC has removed fair
29:12
evidence. I'm going to speak to you very
29:14
kindly. I'm going to speak to you very
29:16
kindly, Right. Whatever struggles you're going
29:19
through and I, I imagine they are immense.
29:22
Your biological sex is male. That means you cannot come.
29:25
Yes, yes, I was born a male. But you're not.
29:29
I told you. Diagnosed with the condition,
29:32
which means that my gender doesn't match my biological sex.
29:36
But you wouldn't want. To make so, would you argue with
29:38
medicine? Yeah, you wouldn't want women to
29:41
feel afraid, would you? I don't want women to be afraid.
29:46
I don't plan to. So he doesn't want women to be
29:51
afraid, but he is making women feel afraid by entering their
29:53
toilets and their spaces. So I'm sure there's much more to
29:57
discuss about this in extra. It's, it's a very interesting
29:59
thing which we've been covering the last couple of weeks, Mike.
30:03
Absolutely, Diane. And, and we will talk about that
30:06
in extra, I'm quite sure. So thank you for that.
30:09
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31:32
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31:36
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31:38
Hi, Diane. We've got a couple of new
31:40
articles up here. First of all, Doctor Piers
31:43
Robinson. Yes, so this is a new one from
31:46
Piers Robinson on the part four of his really, really
31:50
fascinating and disturbing and detailed series on the Syria
31:54
chemical weapons narrative. So please check that one out.
31:56
It's it's really very good. Thank you, and lest we forget.
32:02
This one is a Part 2 of a four part series from Hugh McCarthy
32:05
who is the retired head teacher in Northern Ireland.
32:08
This particular series is about the damage that has been done to
32:12
children or was done to children during the COVID lockdown era.
32:15
And this is again, an ongoing series and lots of things to
32:18
learn from what we already knew and what they knew and didn't
32:21
tell us. Thanks for that.
32:23
And just to let everybody know that the second part of 1000
32:28
Words podcast, Jake Fern Painting, James Delingpole, the
32:31
second part of that is available for members only on the UK
32:34
column website or on the forums. So do watch it and let us know
32:39
your thoughts on it. And Dan, the Scottish Union for
32:44
Education conference is upcoming.
32:47
Yes, it's the 15th of November, which is a Saturday all day in
32:51
Glasgow. The tickets are available.
32:53
They're relatively well priced. There will be a link in the show
32:56
notes if you would like to buy a ticket for yourself.
32:58
I have some information here from Doctor Stewart Wayton,
33:01
who's the chair of the Scottish Union for Education, that he
33:04
just wanted me to share with UK column viewers today about the
33:07
conference. And he said, quote, Scottish
33:10
education is in serious trouble following standards, low
33:13
expectations and a Curriculum for Excellence.
33:15
That is neither a curriculum or about excellence.
33:18
I can say that's true. I've looked at it in detail.
33:20
On top of this, those who run our education system argue that
33:23
teaching is about social justice.
33:26
As a result, schools are being filled with activists and
33:29
activism and a new politically correct dogma.
33:32
Without a focus on knowledge as key, helped by belief in the
33:36
beauty and ingenuity of the past, the best that has been
33:39
thought and said, schools lose their sense of purpose and
33:43
discipline. We have a great lineup of
33:45
speakers including Sir Nick Gibb, Tom Bennett and Joanna
33:49
Williams. We want to get education on the
33:51
political agenda so that our politicians in the 2026
33:55
Hollywood election cannot ignore this issue.
33:57
We desperately need education, not indoctrination.
34:00
So please join the Scottish Union for Education on the 15th
34:03
of November if you possibly can. Thanks, Dan.
34:07
Fantastic. I would echo that.
34:09
OK, let's move on then to great news because today marks the
34:13
beginning of Med Safety Week 2025.
34:17
Could it be any better? The 10th annual Med Safety Week
34:21
brings together more than 130 medicines, regulators and health
34:25
organisations, of course, 117 countries.
34:28
And this is also that the U, KS, MHRA can continue to try to
34:33
establish itself as a global pharmaceutical enabler.
34:36
I mean, regular regulator. Now, MHRA has announced that
34:39
it's urging the public to help keep medicines, medical devices,
34:43
vaccines and blood products safe by reporting side effects,
34:46
device incidents and suspected fake medical products as part of
34:50
Med Safety Week. And they say that with more
34:52
people using medicines and medical devices than ever
34:55
before, from weight loss treatments to wearable monitors,
34:58
safety reporting is a key part of protecting public health.
35:01
Because they did that very well during the Covic jab roll out,
35:04
didn't they Dan? Well, they did, but they didn't
35:06
do anything about the information coming back.
35:09
Indeed. Anyway, anyone they say
35:12
patients, carers, pharmacists, doctors, nurses can report
35:15
through the MHR MHRA yellow card scheme at yellow card at
35:20
mhra.gov.uk and they're asking people to report side effects
35:24
even if they're unsure they're linked to the medicine, medical
35:27
device problems such as false or unexpected behaviour, suspected
35:31
fake products, especially those bought online or via social
35:34
media. Now they have a fake meds
35:37
campaign which provides advice to people in the UK who are
35:41
considering buying medication online.
35:43
And they said that this outlines how products can be accessed
35:46
from safe and legitimate sources.
35:49
But I just wanted to highlight the headline there.
35:52
Fake medicines can kill. And yet we could say that
35:55
equally about pharmaceuticals. So you know.
35:59
It's one of the top killers in the NHS isn't it?
36:01
Over medication? Dear, Oh dear.
36:04
Yes, indeed. They got some real I think the
36:06
word is chutzpah. This is this is.
36:09
This is really quite something. Yeah, well also from the NHS in
36:14
what they claim to be a move, a major move for people living
36:17
with so called rare conditions, they've announced their
36:20
intention to completely overhaul how rare disease therapies are
36:23
developed and approved and delivered in the UK.
36:26
And again, rather than regulating, they're enabling.
36:29
And this fits very well with the Stargate project by the way.
36:33
They're saying that currently, around three and a half million
36:36
people in the UK live with a rare disease, and that fewer
36:40
than 5% of those conditions have a licenced treatment.
36:44
They say that the average patient's journey to diagnosis
36:47
is 5.6 years, and for children diagnosed with rare diseases,
36:50
around 30% of them die before their 5th birthday.
36:53
And so to deal with this, they've announced that they're
36:55
writing a bold new rule book, with publication expected next
36:59
year. They're going to create a
37:01
faster, more flexible pathway for rare disease therapies,
37:05
recognising the traditional drug approval routes don't always
37:08
work when patient numbers are small and clinical trial data
37:10
are limited. And so they'll consider whether
37:13
a single approval could cover both the start of a clinical
37:15
trial and a marketing authorization.
37:18
And they'll consider that on the basis of compelling but limited
37:22
evidence with rigorous post market monitoring and real world
37:25
data to follow. They say that it's going to,
37:27
they're going to improve the sharing of evidence both
37:30
domestically and internationally, so that source
37:32
data or sorry, that sorry that scarce data can be pulled.
37:35
They're going to develop surveillance systems to track
37:38
safety and outcomes after treatment.
37:40
And they're going to better align the UK's regulatory and
37:43
health system process processes. Now I understand why this might
37:48
seem on the surface to be fantastic news for those
37:50
desperate for a solution to real problems and consider what this
37:54
is doing. Faster trial approvals,
37:56
normalisation of therapies based on genomics and mRNA.
38:00
While they talk about potentially a greater number of
38:02
life changing treatments reaching those affected, they
38:05
also talk about this always being under the mantra of safety
38:09
and efficacy. And we've seen that demonstrated
38:11
over the last few years. And what this is doing is making
38:14
use of people that are in tragic conditions to normalise the
38:19
types of behaviour that we saw 2021-2022.
38:23
Indeed. And increase surveillance and
38:28
yeah. Yes.
38:29
No. Bad news.
38:31
Absolutely. Now sticking of surveillance and
38:33
digitization and so on. What's happening in the?
38:36
EU, the EU, the European Union. Well, we're going to have a
38:40
little look at the EU and its role in the orchestration of
38:45
global governance, the values that it adheres to and the fact
38:49
that it's actually really quite struggling at the moment to roll
38:52
out some of its big programmes, particularly around AI and CBDC,
38:57
which I'm quite tickled by to be honest with you.
39:00
But to start with, let's have a little listen to a clip from
39:02
this interview with the French author, philosopher and civil
39:07
servant Jacques Itali, talking about the EU and its role in
39:12
global governance back in 2009. History teaches us that if
39:18
Europe doesn't get its act together in the next few years
39:20
with a proper European government, the whole European
39:24
project will collapse, because if we don't move forward, we'll
39:28
fall back. And if we don't have one finance
39:31
minister, one budget, one economic policy, one social
39:34
policy, the euro itself will have no meaning because the euro
39:39
cannot exist without a single minded European discipline.
39:43
So the EU of tomorrow must be completely integrated
39:46
politically or will cease to exist.
39:49
Exactly. Or each nation will revert to
39:51
protectionism and that is a threat to world growth.
39:55
Either we're heading to towards the world government or we're
39:57
going to put national issues first.
40:01
This idea of a world government will frighten many people.
40:07
Indeed, that's only to be expected because it seems like a
40:10
fantasy. But there is already global
40:13
authority in many areas, in airline security, in football,
40:17
in banking. And even if it's hard to think
40:20
of a European government at the moment, which is there but very
40:23
weak, Europe can at least pass on its experience to the world.
40:29
If we're not capable of creating an economic framework alongside
40:32
a political framework in Europe, then we're never going to do it
40:36
on a global scale. Economic, political, social
40:43
coherence into a single entity militarily as well, which we
40:47
talk about all the time. And people are scared about
40:50
this, as you laughed about in the clip, because they just
40:53
can't believe how there's something this good could ever
40:56
exist. Absolutely, yeah.
40:59
Interesting, right? EU, right?
41:00
At the absolute core of efforts for global governance, this is
41:03
the laboratory. This is where everything is
41:05
being tested out. And importantly, it's got a very
41:07
specific set of values. Let's have a little listen to
41:10
Ursula von der Leyen talking in Israel back in 2022.
41:16
Europe is the values of the Talmud, the Jewish sense of
41:21
personal responsibility, of justice and of solidarity.
41:30
So apparently it runs on Talmudic values, Talmud being
41:33
one of the key texts of Rabbinic Judaism.
41:36
And that would probably surprise most people to hear that, to be
41:39
honest with you, or maybe less so of late.
41:41
I don't know. Anyway, how's this stuff being
41:43
deployed? Those Talmudic values are being
41:46
encoded into the technological substructure that the whole of
41:50
our system is running on and will run run on more in the
41:54
future if these people have their way.
41:56
But they're actually struggling to roll it out.
41:58
Let's have a little listen to Ursula talking about AI in
42:01
rather desperate fashion just a few months ago.
42:06
Next week. We are presenting an Apply AI
42:10
strategy. It is based on a simple yet
42:16
transformative principle and that is AI first.
42:25
I think this is worth an. Applaud.
42:26
I heard the one and only person there that was symbolic for the
42:35
uptake of AI. One person starting, the rest
42:39
following. That was symbolic for the uptake
42:45
of AI. Politician makes a big
42:47
announcement, no one's interested.
42:50
Yeah, absolutely no one wants this.
42:52
They're struggling to implement it.
42:54
We talk about it all the time. And actually a lot of the
42:56
signals that I'm getting back just from listening to my my
42:59
former professional network in places like LinkedIn, for
43:02
example, is that the experiments, the proofs of
43:05
concepts are not gaining traction.
43:07
This is like trying to mix oil and water.
43:09
Like it's just, you can shake it up and it might look like it's
43:12
mixed, but actually it will just separate again.
43:15
It's not going to work. And it's not just AI where
43:19
they're really struggling. It's also with CBDC.
43:22
Let's have a little listen now to Christine Lagarde.
43:27
Hello, I have good news for you on the digital euro front.
43:31
Today the Governing Council has decided to move ahead on the
43:35
next and final phase of the preparatory work for the digital
43:40
euro. The other good news is that on
43:43
October 23rd, the European Council has asked us and all
43:48
those involved to accelerate the process so that we can roll out
43:53
the digital euro as early as possible.
43:57
This is important because as much as banknotes will continue
44:00
to circulate, we want cash to be in the form of digital euro as
44:06
well, so that you can circulate banknotes and click cash with
44:10
the digital euro. More work is going to be done in
44:14
the next few months and if we receive the approval by the
44:19
European Parliament in the course of 26, we'll be able to
44:23
pilot the digital euro as of 27. And if the pilot is conclusive
44:28
and positive, it will be a formal roll out in the whole of
44:31
Europe in 2029. This is a big project because
44:35
the euro is our currency, your currency.
44:39
It brings us together. It's a symbol of trust in our
44:42
common destiny. So off we go with the digital
44:45
euro in that next and final phase of the preparation.
44:51
Off we go, Ben. Off we go.
44:53
It's a symbol of trust in our common destiny, ever closer
44:56
union between the European states.
44:59
The next and final phase that they're moving into CBDC, the
45:03
Council want them to accelerate this because this is the primary
45:06
control mechanism for this digital state that they're
45:09
ushering us into. So they're getting desperate, I
45:12
think, right? They want to pull this over the
45:14
line. People don't want it.
45:16
That was on Twitter. If you go and have a look at the
45:18
comments underneath it, I would say it is 99% negative, right?
45:22
And that's why they're so terrified at the moment.
45:24
Is that the public response? One of the reasons why they're
45:27
trying to crack down on social media so, so much at the moment,
45:31
it's because what is coming back to them from the population is
45:35
universally negative. Again, just go and look at one
45:37
of anything that Keir Starmer posts online at the moment is
45:40
getting ratioed 12:50 at least even with all of the 77
45:44
brigadiers in there going into bat for him.
45:46
And then crucially, that final point from from that clip from
45:51
Lagarde was that the rollout date for this is 2029.
45:56
So they've still got three years to go.
45:59
And a lot can happen in three in three weeks, let alone three
46:03
years. So for me, that makes me feel
46:06
very optimistic despite all of the stuff that we got going on
46:09
around us. So, Diane, of course, CBDC can't
46:12
happen without digital ID. What was happening over the
46:14
weekend? Absolutely true, Mike.
46:18
And this is where we need to draw the line.
46:19
I believe there have been digital ID rallies starting up
46:22
all over the country. I was speaking at the one in
46:26
Newcastle over the weekend. We can see there we were
46:28
gathered by the monuments and that you can see the crowds were
46:32
relatively well sized. Certainly we would have liked
46:35
more, but we were also happy with the fact that there were
46:37
some people there in support of us.
46:40
Really, really interesting set of talks.
46:43
I believe mine was the first one that went up around.
46:47
I sort of was trying to get the crowd going and trying to get
46:49
people engaged a bit. So I had actually quite a good
46:52
time at the event. Afterwards there was a a March
46:56
which led through Eldon Square, which is the shopping centre
46:59
that's near the monuments in the city centre of Newcastle, which
47:02
I did not participate in. But I did hear that that there
47:05
was quite successful. The police tried to intervene
47:08
and stop them, but they were not successful in doing so.
47:11
So I actually think that was a pretty good sign.
47:14
So I've got some clips here if we can play some of the, the
47:17
things that I have available here.
47:19
I have two clips from my talk and I have to say I got quite
47:23
emotional, which is probably good as well as bad.
47:26
But let's let's watch my first clip and then we'll see what
47:28
what happened. What?
47:30
Were they doing in 2020-2021? Do we remember vaccine passports
47:37
track and trace? Was this a test?
47:40
Were they trying to get compliance going?
47:42
Yes, they were. Do we remember how many
47:45
complied? I did not know any mask.
47:50
Wearers. Nope.
47:52
Any test and trace people? Any jabs?
47:57
No, none of us did any of it. And we need to do the same thing
48:01
now in 2025 with digital ID because that's what they were
48:04
trying to get us to do five years ago.
48:08
How many more people do we have now with us?
48:10
How many more people have we seen pass away from the
48:13
experimental injections they were putting into our friends
48:16
and family? Do we have more people with us
48:19
now? But maybe we're not with us in
48:21
2020. What do you think to be seen
48:27
enough that we've seen our children suffer from not being
48:31
able to go to school because they were supposed to be staying
48:35
home and protecting granny. How many of us remember that
48:39
right? How many of us had businesses
48:43
ruined, careers destroyed? I lost my university career as a
48:47
professor because I was speaking out.
48:49
I refused to accept the £350,000 that the NHS was trying to offer
48:55
me to push the jabs. Why?
48:58
Because I have a conscience and you all do here today and we
49:01
need to continue to do this work.
49:10
How many of us understand? What's going on behind Digital
49:15
ID? What are they trying to do?
49:17
They want to watch everything that we do.
49:20
And what's dangerous about that is that they will know exactly
49:23
where we are, what we're doing. Do we want that for ourselves?
49:27
Do we want that for our children?
49:28
Do we want that for our families?
49:29
No. Resist, defy.
49:32
Do not comply. Resist, defy.
49:36
Do not comply. So after that range of emotional
49:44
issues I've been through, I tried to calm it down a bit
49:47
further later on in the speech. So let's watch what happens
49:50
later on. How do we do this?
49:54
We love each other. This is a spiritual battle.
49:57
We're in everybody. We have to love each other.
50:00
We have to give everybody a hug. We have to keep positive.
50:04
This is what happens. People say I give them hope on
50:07
UK column. We need a fresh approach.
50:10
We need to love each other. We need to work together.
50:13
We need to give out the love and the hope and the and the
50:16
spiritual difference. That will be what we will need
50:19
to be made if we're going to make a difference so that those
50:22
evil people down there at 10 Downing St don't take over our
50:26
lives and the individual freedoms that we all possess by
50:29
just. Existing.
50:30
And we have to protect that. Are you willing to help me?
50:35
What are we going to do is this? Do not comply.
50:44
So you can see my entire speech as well as the speeches of the
50:47
others who were talking to the crowd in Newcastle on the We the
50:52
People Northeast. All of the speeches are
50:54
available there. We also had, as we see here, a
50:56
few still images that I've taken from the event.
50:59
First there was Charlie Van Boy, who was the comparer for the
51:03
event. I have to say though, I was on
51:05
1st because Charlie was running late because he thought it
51:07
started at 1:00 PM, but actually it started at noon and and we
51:10
were all running a bit behind, but we got there eventually.
51:13
Lots of really interesting signs there.
51:15
You can see from the yellow board people as well.
51:18
We also had a very good factual speech from Martin Davies who is
51:22
with the Freedom Alliance and you can see there he was holding
51:24
up a cassette tape and saying, so who's comparing what it was
51:28
like when we made mixtapes back in our generation, how we could,
51:32
you know, fix a tape when it was broken And but but what do we do
51:35
when the digital system gets broken and we can no longer
51:38
access things? And how is that going to affect
51:41
our lives that it was much easier to repair something back
51:44
in that time then compared to what we have now when everything
51:47
is is meant to be apparently on our phones and trackable and
51:50
traceable. But then you know, one of my
51:52
concerns, as well as what happens when that goes down.
51:55
What happens when your passport is on your phone and you can't
51:58
get back into the country after you've been on holiday because
52:02
the the phone got discharged while you were on the plane for
52:05
however long. We also had Fiona Rose Diamonds,
52:08
who is she's been active in protests and so on for many
52:12
years, including during the COVID era.
52:15
She's holding her phone up there.
52:17
As you know, possibly, I guess an example of, you know, these
52:20
are the kinds of things that we carry around with us.
52:22
But you know, what actually is it that we are protesting
52:25
against? And that is again, as we've been
52:28
talking about throughout today's news and as UK column has been
52:31
covering for a very long time, the issues of surveillance, the
52:34
issues of CBDC, which again can't take place unless we agree
52:38
to digital ID. The fact that we on driving
52:41
licences, so the DVLA records, NHS records, everything else
52:45
that we need to have whatsoever will be on this.
52:48
And that's my concern as someone with a background in informatics
52:51
and data, is that the real danger happens when everything
52:55
is connected all together. It's bad enough when we already
52:57
have all of our different sales data and our, you know,
53:00
government data and our uk.gov information and everything else
53:04
all scattered around online. But Mike, you'll know as well,
53:07
probably better than I will that the really dangerous part of
53:10
this is when we have digital ID and they link all of these
53:13
things together in one place and then what happens to us and sort
53:17
of the vulnerability that's associated with having those
53:20
things tied together. So I'm not sure if you have
53:23
anything to say about this, Mike.
53:24
I'm sure you do. Well, we'll keep that for extra
53:28
because there'll be plenty to discuss there.
53:30
So thanks, Diane for that. Sandy, let's sort of finish with
53:36
project Servator. As I say, we didn't.
53:39
You haven't mentioned this since 2019.
53:41
It's really sort of Stasi, Germany coming to Britain.
53:46
Absolutely, Mike. And and it kind of links up to
53:49
what Ben was saying earlier about the Huntington thing.
53:52
It really is ramping up police presence and fear and it's it's
53:58
it's exerting extra police powers in communities now.
54:03
You know, we, we've just this week, my first slide is, is the
54:08
fact that Glastonbury, which is actually quite a sleepy little
54:12
place. Yeah, we've got, we've got a few
54:14
worries with drunks and and the odd drug problem, but it's it's
54:20
not massive antisocial behaviour.
54:22
But ahead of the Glastonbury Chilkwell Carnival, which I have
54:25
to say is a, is a, is a family event, even in Somerset, Police
54:29
will be conducting project servator and they're, they're
54:33
going to deploy these around Glastonbury town centre using
54:36
highly visible and unpredictable patrols to deter criminal
54:41
activity and reassure the public that officers will work with
54:45
partners to spot suspicious behaviour and encourage everyone
54:50
to report anything that doesn't feel right now.
54:52
This is a, this is really kind of 1984 snitch society stuff.
54:57
So I, I just wanted just, I mean, I am going to be running a
55:02
video at the moment about what project servator is all about.
55:06
And, and it is, it's, it's, it's kind of even in Somerset Police
55:09
and partners, our businesses and the public are, are rolling
55:15
this, this, this whole thing out.
55:17
It's a name given to unpredictable, highly visible
55:20
police deployments carried out by even and Somerset Police and
55:23
other forces designed to disrupt a wide range of criminal
55:27
activity. The tactics aimed to identify
55:30
and disrupt hostile reconnaissance, the information
55:34
gathering a criminal does when planning to commit a criminal
55:38
act, including terrorist attacks.
55:40
Our officers are experienced and specially trained to got the
55:44
tell tale signs that someone may be carrying out hostile
55:49
reconnaissance or preparing to commit a crime.
55:52
Now this is pre crime. We once had Haber's corpus,
55:55
innocent until proven guilty. That is a thing of the past.
56:00
They work with security staff to look out for those signs and
56:03
take action. What you will see Specially
56:06
trained uniformed UN uniformed officers will turn up
56:09
unannounced at various locations to carry out deployments and
56:14
these will be unpredictable so they could happen at any time
56:18
and last for different amounts of time.
56:20
The officers will be supported by other assets and security
56:23
measures. Some you will be able to see and
56:26
some you will not, such as plainclothes police officers,
56:30
police dogs and horses, armed officers, CCTV operators,
56:35
automatic number plate recognition and police drones.
56:39
Vehicle checkpoints are often carried out as part of the
56:43
deployments. Officers will hand out leaflets
56:45
explaining what project servitor is, while you may also see
56:50
posters on display. Now, you know, this is, this is
56:54
really ramping up the whole fear factor within our communities
56:59
and encouraging community policing in a sort of 1984
57:06
snitch society akin to Orwell's 1984.
57:10
So I'm deeply suspicious of this because it's, it's so full on
57:15
and particularly in a town at a family event like Glastonbury.
57:18
Why is it being implemented back to you?
57:23
So this is a good question, Sandy, And, you know, just just
57:26
to make sure everybody understands, although Sandy's
57:28
talking about it, even in Somerset Police, this is
57:31
something, this is a national thing.
57:33
So it's, it's being trialled at, at, at Glastonbury, but it's
57:38
something that's being rolled out right across the country.
57:40
And, and a very key feature of it is indeed the whole snitch
57:45
culture, Sandy. And that's why I mentioned the
57:49
Stasi state thing at the beginning.
57:50
I mean, what have you got? Any thoughts?
57:55
No, I'm specious, really. It's just, I mean, what, what an
57:58
indictment of the society we live in that this is going on.
58:02
Well, and that nobody's pushing back against it well.
58:04
But. Quite this sort of idea of
58:09
reliance on the state and of course the state having the role
58:12
in keeping everyone safe. This is no longer something that
58:16
you or I do for ourselves. We don't make our own, make our
58:18
own judgments about what keeps us safe.
58:20
We've got to rely on ever armed, ever surveilled, surveilling
58:25
police and others to do this for us.
58:27
It is quite incredible. It is.
58:29
OK, super. Thank you.
58:30
Let's leave that there for today then.
58:33
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58:34
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