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- 0:03 [Music] 0:10 That's right. You've pressed play on All the Right Moves, a limited series from the Director's Chair Podcast Network 0:17 about the filmography of Edgar Wright. This is it. This is the main event. This 0:22 is what we've been working up to this whole time. And I am super excited to 0:30 have finally seen the movie. We had a great time. We did a field trip. A bunch 0:35 of people went and saw the movie in IMAX and there is a lot to say about it. But 0:41 I do want to welcome one of our, you know, he's he's been MIA for the large 0:48 part of this series, but he's a fixture on the show and he did go see the movie with me last night. So, obviously we 0:54 have to welcome he's a [ __ ] ch Joe pack to the show. Joe, what's going 1:00 on? Yeah, but I was excited to see it and uh what we did the the roundup or whatever. 1:07 We saw the the old one last week, right? We talked about that with Nice Doug. 1:13 Yeah, with Nice Doug. And uh I started watching Total Recall last night after seeing it and I was just like, "Oh, 1:20 these are all like blending or uh you know, feeling the same. So, um, 1:27 no, Dame Taft, get get out of here, Dame Taft. I put it right in the description of the show. Spoilers. It's going to be 1:34 spoiler heavy. So, if you don't want to find out what happens in the movie, get the f get I said [ __ ] out, not whatever 1:44 it actually sounded like. I said, yeah, it did sound like that. But um yeah, 1:50 Joe, this is I guess I want to know as we lead into this 1:57 latest movie of Edgar Wright, what's your favorite Edgar Wright movie because you haven't been here for the series. Um 2:05 not for any particular reason. It's it's just like an extra thing that I've been doing. So um you haven't been 2:12 participating. So, I've been asking everybody, you know, what their favorite Edgar Wright movie is and what their 2:19 thoughts on the film. Sean is is favorite. His Yeah, my favorite. I think it's I I 2:28 would say that's the uh the cold take is that uh Sean No, that's the right take. 2:33 It's the right take. Yeah, for sure. And then I think I guess after that is um Scott Pilgrim. I I would say 2:42 those two are at the top and everything else what are the what are your what's your thought process for why get get 2:49 thought process for why uh I think Shaun of the Dead nails the comedic aspect 2:57 along with being gory and the rewatchability of it like everything you 3:02 pick up on after watching it once you go back and see the the post 3:10 um zombie takeover walk to the convenience store the from 3:16 when he does it the first time and then seeing it the second time. Um that alone I think is is um brilliant 3:25 uh film making and then just the the rewatchability of it uh is is next level 3:32 and I wouldn't even say that that any of Edgar Wright's other work has that necessarily. Um, I think maybe he 3:40 strives for it, but um, that's why Shawn of the Dead is at the top. Scott 3:45 Pilgrim, I don't know. I just like the the whole just vibe of that, the band 3:52 element of it, the the um the fights, you know, the stage fights, which also 3:57 felt, I think we talked about that felt like uh um, Running Man at some point. You have like the bad guys that he's 4:04 fighting in different stages and things like that. Um, and Michael Sarah is 4:09 really good and Scott Pilgrim and I, you know, not to jump too far ahead, but a highlight of The Running Man. 4:16 Um, so we'll but we'll get to that later. But yeah, those two. 4:21 Okay. And one of the other people that was nice enough to participate in the 4:27 miniseries here and go see us, go see the movie live in person with us. even 4:35 though you know it it's beneath her but she's nice enough to lend her time 4:41 because she's such a fan of movies and Edgar Wright and uh me personally. Uh 4:46 let's welcome to the show Kaylee. Well, thank you for having me. 4:52 I am so glad that you are doing this series and that I had an excuse to go see this movie with all of my best 4:59 friends. It was amazing. It really was. And we saw it in IMAX. It was larger than life. Maybe almost too 5:06 big. We sat very close to the screen and it was overwhelming and and I enjoyed 5:13 the hell out of it. I haven't seen a movie in IMAX since I think Friday the 13th, the remake. That was the last 5:19 movie I saw on IMAX. What's the last movie you saw on IMAX, Kaylee? Um, I actually go to the IMAX theater a 5:26 fair amount. Um, but I do have a little bit of a bone to pick with IMAX in 5:31 general, which is that I don't really like it when films are not filmed with IMAX cameras and then they're put onto 5:37 that IMAX screen. I think that the downgrade of quality is very distracting for me. 5:43 And so I struggled with that a little bit. I actually found that it was easier to watch the movie without my glasses on, which I hardly ever do. 5:50 Um, I I really really struggled with that. So, I think I the thing that I always recommend if you ever get a 5:55 chance to see it on IMAX is Nope. That was filmed with the IMAX cameras and it is stunningly gorgeous on that big huge 6:02 screen. Okay. Not to be confused with don't. Yes. Nope. Don't. 6:09 Uh I've been ending the every episode with the trailer for don't. And I often confuse nope and don't. But uh 6:18 Mrs. Trucker Andy was pissed off to find out that there was no recliners in the 6:23 IMAX theater that we went to. That's that's the benchmark for a movie going experience, whether or not you 6:29 could put your feet up for some people apparently. Yeah. I like all the people that uh insist on 6:35 bringing a blanket to the movies now. Yeah. I brought a pillow and my slippers and a blanket and I'm going to take a 6:43 nap during a three-hour Mission Impossible movie. You saw Mission Impossible in IMAX there, Joe? Right. 6:49 You said you were in the front row and could barely comprehend the movie. Yeah, I was I was watching Tom Cruz go 6:55 across the screen like this upside down in a bip 7:01 sitting too close. Yeah. Yeah. His He was teaagging me from a biplane as he 7:06 flew over my head. Honestly, it's an amazing I watched the I just fast forwarded to the third act. 7:13 The just straight up the biplane sequence. I was flying home from somewhere on a plane and uh I decided to 7:20 watch somebody do stunt work on a plane while I was on a plane. I don't recommend that. It's a little unnerving, 7:27 but that uh sequence is amazing. I bet it's even better in IMAX. And you know 7:33 who's even better in IMAX, Joe? Producer Chris, who also went to see The Running 7:38 Man in IMAX. Chris, welcome to the show. How are you? I'm doing well. Can you hear me? I can. 7:45 Yeah. Sound great. Sound better than Joe Sixback. So, you're off to a good start. 7:51 Yeah. You didn't send me the link, Andy. I guess I did. Check your email. I did. 7:56 How How did you get on here if I didn't send you the link? I got it from How did you arrive here for the show? 8:03 Nobody sent the link out. Nobody sent the link out. It wasn't me, for sure. 8:09 Oh, you had to reach out to Kaylee for the link? Yes. I checked your email for [ __ ] 8:14 sake. I did. I don't. You did. All right. Well, we'll talk offline 8:21 about my producer Crisp. 8:26 Yeah, there are a lot of us out there. 8:31 And uh I do have another extra special guest that did not participate in the 8:39 limited series, but I did want to get his opinion because I respect Christian 8:47 Blat's opinion on movies. Welcome to the show, Christian Blat. You know, I don't usually end up on a lot of streams where someone respects 8:52 me. So, I appreciate that. Uh, also fear of speech. I'm really offended that I wasn't 8:59 invited on your outing just because I live like 3,500 miles away. And uh, Kaylee, you said you went with all of 9:05 your best friends. That really really hurts. I'm just I'm very sensitive when 9:10 it comes to these things. Uh, and then the the last thing is your IMAX doesn't 9:15 have recliner. What kind of section 8 movie theater did you guys go to? Were 9:21 you able to pay for your movie tickets with EBT? I I don't understand what you went to. 9:26 It was a pioneering. It I think it was one of the early adopting 9:32 versions of IMAX theater that they just it's been there so long they don't have the real estate footprint to develop it 9:40 out to be better. I think is the problem. Yeah. And the server were terrible. 9:47 The server Oh, yeah. By the way, the only reason I got the link is because Vince the lawyer 9:52 sent it to me. I think that's how Chris ended up here. You forgot to send it to any of us. Yeah, 9:59 he sent me one beer. But it was a light beer. It was a light beer. 10:08 Well, uh I do want to find out everybody's opinions about the movie. We 10:14 we we all went together. We went and had a lovely dinner. uh Kaylee and Chris and 10:20 Carl and Jen and uh and many more uh right across the street from the theater. And then we saw the movie and 10:26 then we went out for drinks and the whole time afterward we were awkwardly 10:31 not speaking to each other because I I had so much to say about the movie and I 10:37 wanted to save it for today. So, um it was a it was a great time, but we've 10:43 been saving up our thoughts. So, I really want to get into Chris what your 10:48 impression of The Running Man was. Uh, not a big fan. 10:57 Yeah, fair. Fair to say. Really disappointed. Uh, it was a slog. It was at least 30 minutes too long 11:06 and it had a lot of tropes of things I was not expecting from an Edgar Wright movie. So, yeah, big letdown. 11:15 I I guess I will say something that I've been saying all along, which is I set 11:22 expectations for a movie. And obviously, as a reboot of the 11:28 Schwarzenegger film, there is a standard that is 11:33 established for this. So yeah, going into this I had to and I I think I 11:39 got maybe 40 minutes into it where I started telling myself it's like stop stop trying to make this fit into the 11:46 mold of the one that you already saw that you liked. Like there was such room for improvement 11:53 there. Well, right. But it's just like just let this movie be what it is and try and 11:58 enjoy it for what it is. and will you enjoy it more if you start looking at it 12:04 that way? And the answer is no. Yes. The end of the movie and I was just like 12:10 this this just [ __ ] is not hitting the way that it should. Like there's 12:16 there's room for fanervice and 12:21 tonal like the comedy that you would expect from Edgar. These there's like 12:26 this whack. There's that's my number one complaint is the lack of Edgar Wright's stamp on this the humor, 12:35 you know. Um although there was the style, you know, the stylized produced stuff that was, 12:42 you know, evident that was enjoyable and some of the kills made me laugh out loud, but other than that, I was like, 12:50 "What the [ __ ] is this?" Yeah. There there were moments where I just was laughing out loud because I was 12:57 waiting for laughs that were not showing up and then when something kind of 13:02 passible that would that would be identified as a joke showed up I was like that's funny. 13:09 I mean this is barely a joke but um Christian uh what was your opinion 13:15 like what what's your opinion on the original? We haven't had a chance to talk. I'd love to hear about what you 13:20 thought about the first one and the new one. The biggest problem with this movie compared to the original is no Richard 13:26 Dawson. But once you get over that, yeah, you're able to just realize, okay, it is a different movie. Like Andy said, 13:32 look, the, you know, before we were talking, Total Recall came up. And those movies I loved when I was a kid, you 13:39 know, when I was, you know, middle school age. And I haven't revisited them because I'm not sure how, you know, any 13:46 time I revisit an Arnold movie that isn't Terminator 2, I'm usually like, "Oh, that that was definitely better 13:52 when I was a kid." But, uh, so I always liked it. I had a soft spot in my heart 13:58 for it. But for me, I actually felt like this was one of the most satisfying 14:04 movies I'd seen in 2025. like from beginning to end, what uh producer Chris 14:09 is saying is 100% right. When I saw it was 2 hours and 13 minutes, I'm like, "All right, before I even start the 14:15 movie, I'm like, there's definitely 13 minutes that can come out." and actually seeing it. Yeah, I found a few more, you 14:22 know, but I think that for me the thing that I was most surprised by was like, 14:27 oh, for me Glenn Powell can carry an entire movie because, you know, he doesn't carry Maverick, you know, and I 14:34 wasn't sure because I somebody could correct me and maybe I'm dumb, but I don't think I'd seen him star in a movie 14:40 before. And uh sisters count. No, he does definitely 14:45 does not because he he's top build. He's the second build in the twister. The star is the is the cow in the in the 14:52 twister in every twister movie. It's not even in that. I know because that's what you really want. 14:58 Still the star. Yeah. But uh also to what Chris said, it's you know it's very reminiscent of 15:05 Robocop and Idiocracy in terms of the here's what TV is like there and like 15:10 when the families gathered around the TV to watch the running man start and you 15:15 know just the expletives flying all around. I'm like all right this is pretty cool. And I do think that's what Edgar Wright does best. One of the 15:22 reasons I would have loved to have seen the Ant-Man movie he would have directed uh is little touches like that. Uh, so 15:29 that's the only way it felt like an Egar Wright movie. The rest of it, uh, I I I'm not sure whose touch there 15:36 was all over it. I'm gonna guess the studio. But I Well, that's the thing. I think it was 15:41 Stephen King because this was co-written by Michael Beall, who I was very excited 15:48 that was the co-writer for Scott Pilgrim. And what I was realizing while 15:56 I was watching this is that Edgar and Michael Beall 16:02 being the screenwriters are just leaning into the source material so hard. So 16:07 Scott Pilgrim, the strength of Scott Pilgrim's dialogue and humor is Brian 16:13 Ali, the comic book writer. They're pulling all of that dialogue from him and he's putting inserting all the charm 16:19 into that movie. This of another friend of ours that went to see the movie said that this is 80% true to the novel. So, 16:29 Michael and Edgar are just letting this be a Stephen King movie. And while I was watching it, I was thinking the same 16:35 thing. I was like, is this just should I just let this be a Stephen King book 16:43 adapted for the screen? Kaye that like based on the stand or other Stephen King things. Did you feel like this version 16:49 of the running man was Stephen King centric and less uh a version that you 16:54 had seen before? What were your thoughts? I think that you hit on two things that are really important and the first one 17:00 is definitely that this felt much more like a Stephen King novel turned into a movie than it did feel like an Edgar 17:06 Wright movie. it was almost over the top with it and I am personally not a fan of 17:11 Stephen King which I know shocks a lot of people. So for me that did not work at all. I wanted Edgar Wright's stamp on 17:17 this so very much more. The other thing that I really struggled with that you mentioned a little bit right when we 17:23 first started talking is that I think there's a lot of tonal issues in this movie. you know, we've created this 17:29 dystopian future and we've created this this dystopian critique almost, but it 17:35 never feel like felt like it actually got any of its grit. It just said, "Here 17:40 are the problems. Here's why corporatism is bad." But it never explained to me why the characters of the film actually 17:46 didn't like that. And I wanted to understand that more. How are you going to give me such a long dang movie, which 17:52 I agree with both Chris and um Christian on that it was too long. It was too 17:57 long. Cut it down. But give me the things that make me care about the characters. And I never felt like that 18:03 really happened. Yeah. It didn't make you care about uh Ben Richards when he walked into his 18:08 boss's office with his uh mixed race baby and he said, "Why am I on the 18:14 blacklist?" And then it hard cuts to his black baby. Was that unsettling for anyone else except me? 18:20 I think I think uh Nick Fuentes ended up in the editing room for just one moment. 18:25 and he's like, "Hold on, I got this." Guys, I have to announce that there we have a very special guest joining the 18:32 show. I don't know if I don't see anyone on screen except that the screen name says that Edgar Wright is joining the 18:38 show. Welcome to the show, Edgar Wright. Is that Is that bloody [ __ ] Christian 18:45 Blat spoiling my bloody movie? You bloody wanker. 18:52 Is that an impression of Apple Pineapple? It sounds like him. I think he just wanted to jump in. 19:00 Sounds like it actually sounds like George Harrison from the Beatles cartoon. I know that that's not the most 19:06 accessible reference I could make to everyone, but I think you just nailed that. I get it. 19:12 All right, Chris. It was a pretty spot-on impression, I 19:17 got to say. Based on all of the overhyped commercials for this, this movie was 19:23 [ __ ] everywhere. They wanted you to believe that it was going to be amazing. This suffered the same fate that Baby 19:29 Driver suffered for me where they were saying, "Look at these practical 19:34 effects. Look at all these things that we're doing right." And then you watch the movie and there's just a severe lack 19:41 of fun fun heart. Joe, Joe, what did you think 19:47 as far as like what was your favorite part of the movie, Joe? Oh, great great question because that's 19:53 what I was going to be let me let me be maybe the apologist for the parts of the movie that I did like. Um, 20:01 so I thought it looked really good. I thought Edgar Wright did a really good job of of putting out a movie that 20:06 looked great. The stylized portion of it sponsored by Puma. Clearly Puma everywhere in the movie. 20:13 Don't forget Monster. Monster. I hate I a little about me. I hate 20:20 Monster. I hate all I hate how Monster has become the morning coffee for uh Gen 20:27 Alpha or whatever. But uh who am I to judge? Go ahead and drink Monster. But, 20:32 um, I thought it looked great. Uh, I thought it was note fornotee the source 20:38 material, which for better or worse, I mean, that's what it was. And the parts 20:44 that Okay, so let me let me back up. I said I was going to give you the parts I liked. I thought it needed way more Jansky. 20:50 Jansky and Laughlin, like th those two characters were just like there and gone. and they were like there was a lot 20:56 of like character and heart there that we never even got uh to enjoy enough of 21:02 in my opinion. Um but the Hurley he whatever the guy is for I forget his 21:08 name from uh from Saturday Night Live I thought he was great. He brought the energy that I wish permeated throughout 21:14 the entire movie and yeah the humor that you want inserted in an from an Edgar Wright movie. I thought 21:21 he was going to bring that. And well, we did talk about with Doug, I think that 21:27 the characters of Laughlin and Weiss get killed off like at exactly the same time. They should have they should have 21:33 spaced that out. They kind of did that with this version where they didn't they 21:39 didn't die immediately, but again, uh underused, I guess, is what you're 21:46 saying, Joe. Yeah. And then his interview like where they were they were you know trying to 21:52 figure out where to put him and like the word association part and the the inkplot test the roch shack test and 21:58 everything that was great that was like where you really got kind of the anti-establishment or like that anger 22:05 from Ben Richards like that character that I thought would have been really 22:11 more enjoyable for I I guess it's just kind of part of the story where like the 22:16 10-minute video clips like they didn't get to you didn't get to enjoy those 10 22:22 minutes of him being an [ __ ] or like [ __ ] with the like the general public 22:29 or something. There was a felt like a missed opportunity there. I think you're right. 22:35 What I I was going to say I think you're right and but and I also wanted to get like some other uh opinions like from 22:41 Chris. The first one they have what I was calling the save the cat 22:48 moment where be uh Schwarzenegger has the thing where he won't fire on the crowd of the the people that are like 22:55 the the povertystricken people and that's what enders you to Schwarzenegger 23:00 and then it immediately it's just like okay he's a good guy now he's in prison 23:06 we know he's a good guy. this they do this long pull the taffy about how he's his kid's sick and he's begging for his 23:12 his boss and it's just such a long road to starting the game. Did you find that 23:18 was like belabored Chris? Well, not to give you your opinion, but absolutely. I mean, 23:24 that's my biggest complaint really and and the lack of true development that Joe was alluding to. But yeah, dude, 23:32 establish that at the beginning. This is a comic book of a movie. Just [ __ ] be 23:39 fun was lacking. Like I said, make it fun, you know? Yeah. Yeah. 23:45 Yeah. The shortense film is all fun. We We know what we're getting into, you know. 23:51 Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's a video game that one, right? Yeah. I guess that's 23:57 balancing that like uh Yeah. I guess what I'm saying is like we saw glimpses of it but not enough, you 24:04 know, like what we're both saying kind of a similar thing is like yeah, they were it was there but then 24:10 then gone like so the my comments are like as much as you get out of it like 24:16 from those parts, right? And uh Christian, as far as the the lack 24:22 of maybe like the different personalities of the hunter, which side are you going to lean into? Do you want it to be serious? you know, 24:30 or like I said, you want it to be, you know, a fun video game kind of movie. 24:36 And then we haven't even gotten to the Michael Sarah character. Someone pick that up, please. That that 24:43 was annoying because that could have been so great. Obviously, it was like a huge sequence, 24:48 big part of the movie. Just to jump to what Chris is talking about right now, the Michael Sarah character I think is 24:54 great right up until the moment where his mom recognizes him and then he pushes the alarm because he wants to 25:00 [ __ ] around with everybody. And I was like, "Oh, this was building to like a very different thing." And then he's 25:07 like, "Oh, but actually I'm crazy and I just want to torch my house and see how many people I can kill." And I was like, 25:13 "Oh, that really took me out of the Michael Sarah character." It wasn't like, "Oh, this is amazing." But I'm like, "Okay, this is a this is a choice. 25:20 This is the guy who wants to get the pamphlets out or whatever the newsletter out there." And there's just such an 25:25 abrupt turn where I'm like, I don't know. And again, I haven't read the book either, but uh I don't know if it if 25:31 that's just what happens, if that guy's in the book, but uh I uh mostly was 25:36 upset by Michael Sarah's hair really, but uh get I try to get Well, I mean, I think that's just 25:42 carried over from Scott Pilgrim where everybody has horrible wigs. Andy, Andy, 25:47 I just want to answer Luigi's question there really, really quick. Yafed Cotto is gender swapped, race swapped, and uh 25:55 and horribly managed in the movie. Hey, and we do have another special 26:02 guest from the Last Night in Soho episode. It's just 26:08 hi. I'm wearing my I'm wearing my skin tight yellow uh whatever. Uh, excited to talk 26:15 about Running Man. Thank you, by the way. Last night in Soho, most watched episode of your miniseries. 26:21 The most watched, better than Kayle's episode, who I'm learning I'm not her best friend cuz I 26:26 also wasn't invited to the Tony. Tony, Tony, you might notice that Rob K is in the chat right now and he's 26:32 already talked about how awesome I am. Everyone report Rob K. 26:37 Rob K, get out of here. I was listening to this I was listening to this program in the car. Did anyone 26:44 actually read the book besides me? Am I the only one? I read it. Okay. I enjoyed it. 26:51 Here. We're here to talk about movies, Tony. Books. Hey, by the way, uh the original Running 26:56 Man is like my third favorite Arnold movie, and I still managed to like this uh interpretation of it. 27:02 All right. So, your first two Arnolds are Junior and uh Last Action Hero. No. Predator and Conan the Barbarian. 27:09 What the [ __ ] All right. Sure. Well, I'm sorry. What are your thoughts? 27:17 Terminator 2, which isn't as good as Terminator 1. Oh my good. 27:23 Uh, I I do want to get to Tony's thoughts, but I did want to ask Kaye if if her favorite part was when Glenn 27:29 Powell's lowslung towel walked his taint straight into the camera. Was that the best part of the movie for you? 27:36 I think you know the answer to this question. I I do want to just talk about Glenn Powell's performance because I 27:42 really truly was blown away by him. I think that he carried the movie as much as it could have been carried for me 27:49 and also his booty. Yeah, we didn't get that in the uh the Arnold version. And uh he he did he's 27:57 definitely in good shape and uh they definitely showcased that a lot. I do have opinions about Glenn Powell. I I 28:05 have been watching him since he was Chad Radwell on the Scream Queens Fox 28:10 television show with Emma Roberts and I thought he was very funny on that and I've been watching Chad Powers. I've 28:16 been watching what passes for range in that movie Hitman that was [ __ ] god 28:22 awful that he was in. So I know that. And then I got home from the movie and 28:27 he was on SNL. I was like, "Oh god, I'm [ __ ] sick of this guy." Like he underdelled in this movie I've been 28:33 looking forward to. I know I gotta watch him on SNL, too. But, uh, that's who he is. That he's like 28:38 Chadwick Boseman where it's like there is no other leading man. There is no other black actor. It is Glenn Powell or 28:45 no one. That's not true. But, I mean, I I would I you know what? I'd like to 28:52 see Glenn Powell play Jackie Robinson and James Brown. Let's Let's get those 28:58 movies. I liked I liked where he was in the Sydney Sweeney one where she was like taking a stinky dump at the [ __ ] 29:05 coffee shop and he had to like bail her like get her new underwear or wherever that [ __ ] That's where I stopped 29:11 watching that movie. Well, that I I have had I've asserted that opinion too that Glenn Powell is the male Sydney Sweeney where they're 29:18 just showing off his butt and she's showing off her tits and that's the lion's share of their talent. Tony, what 29:24 did you think about the new running man? Well, one, I'm glad you guys are all saying nice things about Glenn Pal. As 29:30 you know, he looks exactly like me, so I feel like I'm getting compliments. Little uncomfortable though that it's 29:36 coming from Show us your butt. Show us your butt. onlyfans.com/hacktothemov. 29:41 Um, yeah. No. So, I again, I love the original and the one complaint you 29:46 always hear, it's not like the book. So, earlier this week, I'm like, "Fuck it. I'm going to read the book." And by read, I mean audio book at 1.25 speed. 29:54 Um, and I actually like two minutes ago you were judging all of us for not having read the book and you listened to 30:00 it at 1.25 speed. What's the [ __ ] difference? I'm just saying you just did it. What's 30:05 the By the way, the guy who reads the book reads it way too slow. So it actually sounded normal when I sped it up. Um, so yeah. So I went in, I like 30:13 took the Arnold movie out of my brain and I'm like, let me just enjoy this as what it is. And yeah, it follows the 30:19 story pretty well. And I thought it was like an entertaining like action thing. I like that Edgarite is trying to do 30:26 different things. They don't always land for me. I think we talked about in Soho, like Baby Driver and Soho, I I like 30:31 them, but I'm not going to rewatch them. This one I would actually rewatch a couple of times. And part of it is 30:37 because Glenn Pal uh really carries the film. Um it is funny though because the one criticism Stephen King had was that 30:44 Arnold looks nothing like the like shrimpy Ben Richards from the book and then this one also hire like casted a 30:51 jack dude. uh they borrowed a lot from the 80s movie. Like the book doesn't really focus too much on the 30:56 presentation of the TV show and both adaptations couldn't help themselves. They're like we have to go like all out 31:01 with all these graphics and stuff, all the fake uh trailers and everything. But no, it was a good uh decent action film 31:09 um with fun characters. The ending is sloppy, but you can't do the ending from the book in a post 911 world. So, I 31:15 understand how they struggled to come up with a new one. Yeah, that's a good point. can't have 31:20 the hero 911 into a building. The climax felt like it went nowhere to me. 31:27 Yeah. I feel like they because they wanted to follow the source material, but they're like, we there's no way we can have the hero bravely crash a plane 31:34 into a building full of people. So, they're like, "Let's come up with something else." And that's what they came up with. Like, Stephen King stories 31:40 usually have disappointing endings, so it's just whatever. But the rest of the movie made up for it. I really enjoyed uh the 31:47 whole ride. Mhm. feel like I'm mentioned that you Chris, you mentioned that you were familiar with the book. Maybe you had a 31:54 a little erotic fun with the book. Did you find that that was in the movie or 31:59 did it remind you of uh what you remembered about the book at all? Like 32:04 based on the Schwarzenegger film versus the book versus the new film, did you 32:11 find that it was finding memories? Sorry, you're breaking 32:18 up a little. Um, no, I'm stuttering because I'm a [ __ ] dumb idiot. But tell me how the movie lived up to the 32:25 book. No, I think it totally lived up to the book. 32:32 It brought back so much memories that I haven't read it since I was like 14. 32:37 Yeah, it's me. Okay, you're good. I can try uh coming back in. No, you're good. Keep going. 32:44 We hear you. Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. Short answer is it lived up to the book. 32:50 Okay. But you were saying at the beginning that uh you were disappointed with it. So were you have you always 32:55 been disappointed with the book or um what did what did you want to see the 33:00 movie do different? Like how did the movie let you down? 33:07 Uh because it was an Edgar Wright movie. Yeah. You wanted it to be more You 33:13 wanted there to be more Edgar Wright uh fingerprints on it and less Stephen King 33:18 fingerprints. Yeah. Yeah. That's it in a nutshell. If I was just going to see a summer 33:25 throwaway movie, this would have been [ __ ] awesome. I would have been totally cool with it. 33:30 Th This would have been the greatest Brett Ratner movie any of us ever saw. I think I think that is that is a really 33:37 fair thing to say that if if you if this was directed by anyone else and I was trying to I was equating it to the Total 33:45 Recall remake, the Colin Frell version as opposed to the Schwarzenegger one and I had the same experience. I watched the 33:52 remake and I was like this is but this isn't the one that I like. And then later after I realized that it that 34:00 wasn't delivering the original one that I that I liked and then I rewatched it, 34:05 I was like, "Oh, you know what? Kate Beckazale is just [ __ ] hot as hell. I've watched this all [ __ ] day." And 34:10 I liked it a lot. I liked it a lot more after I knew what it was going to be. 34:15 So, I'm wondering if I will like this version of Running Man now that I know 34:21 what it is. Kaylee, do you think that it's going to be more rewatchable? Not 34:26 that you would rewatch it, but do you think now that you know what it is that 34:32 and that you're not comparing it to the book or to the Schwarzenegger film that it could be like it's a better movie 34:39 standing alone like that? What do you think about remakes in that regard? No, I don't think that this movie can 34:45 save itself from itself. I think that it was missing out on the stylized direction that I love from Wright. I 34:51 think that it was I think that it it it doesn't understand what it is in and of 34:57 itself. I think that it was too preachy. I think it was too revolution focused, too anti-corporate. Um, and it felt like 35:05 it didn't even understand that itself. If it had kind of developed those sorts of things a little bit more, maybe I 35:12 might have respected it and been able to enjoy it. But I felt like it just didn't have an actual place. So regardless of 35:19 if it ends up being more Stephen King than Edgar Wright, regardless of if there were some cool action shots, it 35:26 just fell really flat for me. If there was a fence gag, would that have saved the movie for you? 35:32 That might have saved the movie. Yeah. Well, I only want to let me jump in real quick only because um Kaylee hit 35:40 on something that I didn't love about it was that it just felt too much like 35:45 where we were living right now when it came to all the deep fake uh manipulation of the messaging. And I'm 35:53 just like this has ceased to become sci-fi and it's more of just a comment 35:59 on society as we know it now. And I found it disconcerting to tell you the 36:05 truth. Like that like that should be sci-fi, but really we're like living that currently. 36:13 Yes. I completely felt like if you're going to be dystopian, I want you to be dystopian. This is exactly what my my 36:19 problem with the movie is, is that it felt too much like it was making commentary about today as opposed to 36:25 making commentary about the world. It didn't feel evergreen in the same way that dystopian movies are supposed to 36:32 feel evergreen. It felt like it was just saying, "Man, the world today is a really crazy place. Can you believe all 36:38 this stuff is happening?" And I was like, "Shut the [ __ ] up, dude." Did you guys just feel it was too close 36:43 to present day in the sense that you're like, "Oh, Ben and his family live in Syracuse. It looks exactly the same as 36:49 Syracuse." Smells better, though. 36:55 Well, that goes without saying. But we did get to see a couple of Edgar 37:01 Wright staples. There was that one spray paint wipe. There wasn't enough montagey 37:06 like cut cut uh things that you expect from Edgar. There wasn't There was some 37:12 good car chase sequences when he's in the trunk. I thought that was good. I guess 37:19 I my opinion about a lot of the action set pieces is that they didn't go too uh 37:25 far enough. They didn't plus up to a level that Husie and I talked about 37:32 where I think they showed some footage of these drone cameras that were chasing 37:38 Ben Richards and the other contestants around and we thought that there would 37:43 be a lot of a lot more drone chase kind of like over the shoulder firsterson 37:51 type of action sequences. And if that had been more prominent in 37:57 the movie, I feel like it would have been more special. And I just kept waiting 38:04 for each of the action set pieces to be a little more over the top and special. 38:10 So, did people have like opinions about what their favorite action sequence was? 38:17 Tony, now that Tony's back on the show, what was your favorite action sequence, Tony? Sorry, my cord was hanging off the 38:24 table and I just yanked the webcam out and this [ __ ] site just wouldn't accept my web. I had to restart my whole 38:29 computer so the website would acknowledge it. See, Joe and Chris, even Tony, professional podcaster Tony has tech 38:36 issues. So, uh, favorite action. I'm better than Tony. Let the records go. 38:42 Okay. Uh, okay. Second most watched episode of this miniseries. Let's relax. All right. All right. Um, 38:49 I I think obviously the standout is the Michael Sarah Home Alone action sequence. I think that's clearly the 38:55 best. Although the one of him in the hotel was fun, too. Yeah. Uh where he like accidentally blows up 39:01 the whole goddamn hotel. That was fun. Uh but no, the Michael Sarah uh section uh had the best action. 39:08 Okay. And uh Christian Blat. Well, I was going to say that's interesting because the uh the Michael Sarah car chase uh 39:16 where you know he gets offed like a few seconds into it I think was one of those ones what you were saying Andy we felt 39:23 like we could have gotten a lot more with it and I I really felt like oh man they're ramping up for something crazy 39:28 and then it was over uh fairly quickly you know 100% thought the same thing. Yeah. reminded me of Romancing the Stone 39:36 when uh they take the little the the Pony Express 39:41 uh from the Mexican Village. That's what that reminded me of. Yeah. And so and and to come on the heels of 39:48 the Home Alone segment, you're like, "Wow, this is actually I I don't know. I feel like we could have gotten an 39:54 amazing sequence." And by the way, the the notion of uh you know, Stephen King keeps coming up. If Stephen King is such 40:03 a great writer of source material, then we all have to talk about how the TV movie of The Shining, The Guy from 40:10 Wings, is so much better than Kubrick's version. That is one of those things um where 40:15 it's like, yeah, that made for TV movie is the book. Unfortunately, it has a made for TV budget. 40:21 Exactly. Steven Weber. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't remember which one. Steven Weber. 40:29 Before we before we move on, I just wanted to tell Tony that Baby Driver is worth re-watching for um the last great 40:36 Kevin Spy acting that that we'll be able to get. I'll rewatch it for Kevin Spy. 40:44 You You clearly haven't seen his uh Let Me Be Frank videos that he's posted in 40:49 the last few years on his YouTube channel. He's still delivering top-notch performances. Heaven space. 40:55 Real quick, someone said uh Ben Richards killed everyone in the apartment building. They made a good point to show that it was like accidental. 41:02 Like he didn't mean to blow up. Like it was just they were shooting into the thing. Things fell over. Like he didn't 41:07 purposely blow up the building. He even tries to warn the people killing him to get out of the building. Tony. Tony. Tony. Who said that? It was 41:15 Rob K. You can't even say his name anymore. No, I will I will never say his name. 41:21 Okay, we speak your name, Rob K. But they, to be fair, they were poor people. 41:27 So, how much do we care? If this movie was making that commentary, I would have liked this 41:33 movie better. This movie had no balls. It had no balls. And I'm going to just tell you right now because I cannot wait any 41:40 longer. My biggest criticism of this movie, I literally sent myself a note in the middle of the movie. I pulled out my 41:45 phone like an [ __ ] in a movie theater so that I could take one note about this movie. And I would just like to read you 41:51 the email that I sent to myself right now. It says, "Pussies can't even kill a kid." Why would you kill the kid and 41:58 then make the kid come back? And I'm very upset about it. They were fooling Ben Richards into 42:04 Yeah. No, I let the kid be dead. I agree with Kaylee. That is one of the 42:09 things they changed from the book. They wanted it to have a happy ending because in the book, I mean, it's never 42:14 confirmed in the book, but he dies thinking that people just killed his family and that's what leads him to do what he does. 42:20 But yeah, I was also disappointed by that. I'm like, oh, cuz I was shocked that they even attempted it. I'm like, 42:26 oh, they're actually I was expecting this to be rewritten and then they totally undo it. That's where it kind of 42:32 lost me. One of the things that I always say, you know, I know Andy that you talked all about um Shauna the Dead um 42:38 for this series and one of the things one of the things that I always say about a similar movie to that which is pho is that they do some kid death in 42:44 pho and kid death and animal death are two very controversial things that happen in movies and they make movies 42:51 more interesting. I'm not saying that I want to see those things, but I am saying that a movie becomes more 42:56 interesting and more thoughtful. And the entire problem that I had with this movie is that it never feltful. It never 43:03 felt raw. It never felt like there was any heightened danger. I didn't give a crap at all. If you had just let the kid 43:10 die, maybe I could have done what you did, what you were suggesting, Andy, which is rewatch this movie and see a 43:16 greater good in it. I don't think that I can. If that's what you're looking for, Kaylee, uh I may I recommend to you the 43:22 director's cut of the little rascals. You will love so much kid and dog death. 43:28 Let me let me jump in real real quick because a lot of good points being made here. Um so I thought it lacked action. 43:37 We brought up that the that dune buggy scene. It was just like, oh, it's about to really take off and it didn't. And 43:43 that was problematic. And I said it lacked gore. Like the the original uh 43:48 the Arnold one was pretty bloody or whatever. And I thought there was a missed opportunity for it to be a little 43:54 more bloody and gory. That like that could have been better. But then the the 44:00 kid I think the kid death thing is um a Stephen King I might might even 44:06 call it a Stephen King crutch. Um but that's what I liked so much about Dr. Sleep. the uh um where uh spoiler alert 44:15 for Dr. Sleep for anybody who uh might be watching this and hasn't seen it. The the baseball player kid where uh um 44:23 um Rose the Hat or whatever where the people take kidnap the the little league kid and uh that's gruesome 44:31 and that's a a Stephen King thing. So it's just like yeah that seems like maybe and I think a lot of kids 44:39 get into Stephen King at a young age because kids banging. 44:45 Well, because of all the swear words of all the only one instance of kids banging. It's 44:52 the swear words and the remedial writing that's why people like King Well said he started reading King at 12 44:59 and read The Running Man at 14 uh in a video I saw with him. So yeah, kids like it. 45:04 Yeah. But but it's because kids are treated like real people as main 45:09 characters as like, you know, uh uh actual characters and even doing things 45:16 beyond what normal kids would do a lot of times. So them also dying is kind of 45:24 a signature of Stephen King content. And so yeah, to kind of leave it like leave 45:29 it out or couldn't even kill a kid in this movie, it's a valid That was cool. Not not to cut you off, 45:36 Joe, but just to keep going with the the King references. I did enjoy the the 45:41 dairy where you have to go to Maine and they go to Dairy and that's a shout out 45:47 to Stephen King. And uh I did just other Easter eggs I picked up while I was watching it that when he's scaling the 45:53 building in the towel and he crashes in the window and the bald guy in the bed. That's Michael Beall. That's the 45:59 coowriter of the movie who's also in in Glorious Bastards and uh Death Proof and 46:05 other and other things. So that was a little Easter egg of his appearance in there. Did you guys pick up on any other 46:11 Edgar Wright Easter eggs that are kind of synonymous with Edgar Wright films? 46:17 Christian, did you notice anything? I I didn't. And uh you know, I also uh 46:22 saw it on an IMAX screen, so I should have caught it. My my seat reclined, by the way. But uh so did mine. 46:28 Oh, yeah. Lucky. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, but normal movie theaters. Uh by the way, something that 46:33 trash in our town, you know. Well, listen, listen, guys. Listen, Rochester. Me and Christian live in the first world. All right. We're 46:40 like the network, okay? And you're the Glen. You don't look like Glen Pal, but you're like the Glen Pal. It's only the 46:46 IMAX theater. All of our other theaters there have recliners. It's just the IMAX 46:52 one. That that that doesn't even make sense. Uh but uh what you guys were say 46:58 actually what uh producer Chris was saying before is, you know, feeling like a video game. The last IMAX movie that I 47:04 saw was Tron Aries and that was all style. I didn't even hate it, but it was 47:09 like all that flashy that literally felt like a video game. So, I think that having that be my my previous IMAX 47:16 experience, I'm like, "All right, there is a story happening in here." And zero Jared Leto and uh you know what, don't 47:22 underell that. Uh you know, that's that's that's very important. Meanwhile, I'm seeing news items saying 47:28 that October was the lowest box office since co and it features Jared Leto and 47:34 The Rock's uh smashing machine on the cover of this article saying that nobody 47:39 went to see these movies. I did my part. I I went and sold Tron Aries. I did it for work, but I saw Tron 47:46 Aries and I hated Tron Legacy. It was a lot to get me in the theater. Tron Legacy was terrible. And I agree. I 47:52 think the only person that saw Smashing Machine was Huy as far as I can tell. There's no there's no documentation that 47:59 anyone else in the world saw it. I I had a I had a cinnaphile friend caphile uh friend who was saying that 48:06 Smashing Machine was going to be like that The Rock was winging winning an Oscar for it. 48:12 I don't know. He would have been more likely to win it for Jungle Cruise. Yeah, 48:17 I like Jungle Cruise. Kaylee, did you think that this felt like an Edgar Wright movie? I I feel 48:24 like if you watched this, you would never even know. What did What did you think? I never had If If you had not told me 48:31 that this was Edgar Wright, I would not have known it. Even with that one very stereotypical, like you mentioned 48:37 before, the um the spray paint transition. it. This does not feel like 48:42 Edgar Wright. And I don't know if it was a studio takeover. I don't know if it was a decision by him. I see his tropes 48:50 in Baby Driver and Last Night in Soho. And I can see how those are his movies. This did not feel at all like him. 48:56 Perhaps part of that is just because it was so CGI heavy that it didn't have the same kind of heart and ethic that I feel 49:02 like he frequently has. It certainly doesn't have the same wit. It defin It certainly didn't feel as kinetic as his 49:09 movies usually feel. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he might just try he might just be 49:15 attempting to grow as a director. Maybe he doesn't want to be pigeonheld to those earlier stuff. So, that's why I'm kind of lenient toward it. 49:21 Yeah. You know, I mentioned that I I I wonder what it did to him as a filmmaker to 49:28 have that Ant-Man movie taken away from him, you know, like what has his shift been since then? because I'm sure that 49:34 whatever he had was probably pretty great and they're like, "Yeah, we don't want this." And now he's probably been 49:40 adjusting ever since. Is this Do you think this is like um Sam Ramy directing Spider-Man where it's 49:47 like a genre like a subculture director leaping into trying to be a mainstream 49:55 like a blockbuster tent? I would I would not think so because um well I do feel 50:03 like if you watch Ant-Man and you know that Edgar had his an involvement in 50:09 creating that it does almost feel like an Edgar Wright film. When you watch Doctor Who 50:15 or Doctor Strange 2 it's obviously a Remy film. You can tell it's a Sam Ramy 50:20 movie. Is it just because Bruce Campbell's in it? Well, that and then also the first 50:26 person things and like you get to that the end and it becomes Evil Dead, it 50:31 becomes Army of Darkness at the end. So, uh yeah, I feel like that this movie 50:38 just doesn't lean into the fact that it's an Edgar Wright movie. And I don't know if that's production notes telling 50:45 him that he can't do what everybody expects, but it definitely feels like 50:52 well when I'm watching the especially the apartment building scene I and I'm 50:57 waiting for it to become like the raid waiting for the fall this really 51:03 like a really kinetic uh fight sequ like extended fight sequence like the raid or 51:10 the night comes for us kind of I will say that that would have been really phenomenal to watch and then it 51:17 didn't do that and I just kept waiting for more. Tony, what did you do? The um Yeah, I think there was a missed 51:23 opportunity. I loved when the drone cameras like came into the thing and it was like kind of tracking him. 51:29 500 that I thought that was going to go on longer and they kind of just nip that 51:34 in the butt right away. I'm like, "Oh, wait. No, that was actually a really cool camera angle to show all this." Uh 51:39 yeah, I think that could have been the whole movie. Yeah. I Okay. Uh, speaking of cameras, 51:46 while I was going through the book, there were so many moments where I'm like, well, obviously they're changing that. That technology is dated. He's not 51:51 going to record on cassette tapes that he then puts in a mailbox. Clearly, they 51:57 will be updating that. And I'm sitting in the theater, I'm like, son of a [ __ ] They're doing the cassette tapes 52:02 and the mailbox. And then in my head, I'm like, oh, maybe this is like an alternate reality where thing technology kind of took a shift in the 80s. But 52:09 then they mentioned Barack Obama. There's a street named after Barack Obama. I'm like, okay, well, at least 52:14 2008 happened. What the [ __ ] The the only real difference, Tony, is 52:20 that uh DVDs never happened. That's what happened. It was still cassettes, then it went to 52:26 digital. So, that's really all, you know, that that does remind me. It I 52:32 had very similar criticisms to this version of Running Man that I had to Mickey 17. It felt like it was making a 52:40 lot of commentary, but it wasn't really making it well and it didn't entirely make sense. And same thing in Mickey 17. 52:46 There's a point where we get to see that the technology is literally a brick. Um, so there's like a hard drive that's a 52:52 brick. And that felt even more adorable to me than backing us up to cassettes. 52:58 you know, why wouldn't we in this try to make some kind of like little cutesy nod to the fact that, hey, we're not going 53:05 to invent a new technology for this movie, but we really can't back ourselves up here. 53:11 Um, I enjoyed Well, real quick Mickey 17 tangent. I like that movie. I felt like 53:16 it just I think it just went on to too many like different side stories before it got back to the point. 53:21 I've seen it. I'm waiting for you guys to tell me if I should or not. I guess I I would recommend it. I would absolutely 53:26 recommend it. I really enjoyed it. But it did it did something that this movie 53:32 also did that Running Man also did, which is that again, if you are going to make all of this social commentary, then 53:38 you better make me believe that your characters believe the social commentary that you're creating. I don't care. Hi, 53:44 Space Kitty. Um, shut up. I had to pick her up because she wouldn't shut up. Sorry. I don't care. I don't care if I don't 53:52 care what the commentary is. Zoom up on her. Get her off the screen. I don't care what the commentary is. I 53:59 don't care if I agree with your social commentary or if I don't agree with your social commentary. But what's very 54:04 important to me is that the characters in the film need to support it. And both 54:10 in Mickey 17 and in The Running Man, that did not happen. The characters were not supporting the commentary that they 54:16 were trying to make. Yeah, I think a good recent comparison would be one battle after another. uh we 54:23 uh I think a lot of us wouldn't necessarily agree with the uh politics of you know many of the characters uh 54:30 either of the main characters but at the same time you're like oh yeah uh Sean Penn lives and breathes it except for 54:36 the one thing that he did that uh you know uh got him on the wrong side of the Christmas club. Uh but yeah, I agree. I 54:44 think that uh Ben I must call him Ben Powell, but you know, Ben Richard, Ben 54:49 Powell, whatever. Same guy. Powell Richard. Yeah. He didn't really believe in this stuff, but he's like, "Oh, okay. It's 54:55 getting a reaction." Uh so he was uh playing it up, but uh I Yeah, I don't think all he really cared about was uh 55:01 getting back to his uh his wife and kid who were who did not die. 55:07 [ __ ] dude. [ __ ] You wanted the kids to die. Okay, I did. Well, Kaylee only wanted half of 55:15 the kid to die, but I don't want to say which half it is. I I guess I guess that's my question then. Uh Tony is somebody who has 55:22 listened to the audio book. Do do does his family get killed in the in the 55:28 Yes. Uh real quick, are you done? Okay. Now go and shut the hell up. 55:34 Uh yes, they die. That's what Andy said backstage at producer Chris. 55:39 Yes. Uh they die if I'm remembering it right. Uh, they die. Killian says like, 55:44 "Hey, someone unrelated killed them." I don't think the I don't think there was the organization to keep them safe in 55:50 the book. I could be wrong, but they say that they were killed in like an unrelated mugging. 55:55 Um, and they say the same thing. He's like, "You're bullshitting." He's like, "No, if they were alive, I'd be threatening them right now to get you to 56:01 do what I want." Uh, so it it's never like fully confirmed. But yeah, Ben Richards dies 56:06 thinking that they're dead. That seems for all we know, they are dead. That seems like a story point from the guy 56:13 who wrote Kujo. Yeah. Guys, I just want to take this moment to 56:20 uh recognize the fact that we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't for the director's chair network podcast 56:28 and uh the founder and host of that, Ryan Rebulcan, is going to join the discussion for the running man. Ryan, 56:35 welcome to the show. I was really worried, Andy. I thought you were about to do a PBS pledge break. 56:40 We're all going to have to donate money. Viewers like you support the show. Blue Chew. Yeah, 56:46 I would like a Ryan Robulin tote bag though. Oh, that'd be great. That's fantastic. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. 56:52 All great familiar faces and Tony, it's great to finally meet you. I know. You're welcome for having the 56:57 most watched episode of the miniseries. Better than Kay's episode. Oh, is that true? 57:03 Yep. Yep. Out of all the Agarite ones, I uh I had the most watched views. Uh, definitely wasn't manipulated by any 57:09 kind of community post. Way better than Kayle's. Anyway, what did you think of the movie, Ryan? 57:14 Uh, okay. Well, what have you guys said? I I I Yeah, I love this. Doesn't matter what we've said. We want We want to hear your thoughts. 57:21 Okay, fantastic. Okay, where do I start? Um, okay. I I wanted to like it more than I 57:29 did, and I hate that I feel that way. Uh, it's it's a movie that looks really smart. It's It looks clever. It feels 57:36 like it should be clever, but it's a movie that also misses the tone. I kind of wish it picked a lane of give me 57:42 dystopian, give me a little bit darker. I I wish it leaned into cuz it was very violent. There's like heads being blown 57:48 off and there's some crazy violence and then it was like but this is like Looney Tunes, right? And it's like well no, you're actually killing people on screen 57:53 and I was really confused by that uh message. I know he wanted to be silly but violent. I don't know if it worked. 58:00 And lastly, not lastly, the the thing that bugged me the most too is when the race started, there's only three contestants. I was like, "That's it." I 58:06 was kind of bummed out about that. And then halfway through the film, it was just Glenn Powell's character left. Like, what? We got one hour left with 58:12 one contestant. Is this like Minority Report all of a sudden? Like it it felt I like Glenn. He was fine and all, but I 58:18 I wanted more characters. I thought they were going to team up without him and the lesbian was going to team, you know? I thought there was going to be like a 58:23 team up. They're going to find out, infiltrate, work together. She would have been killed like second to last or something. I was like, they all died on their own. Nobody teamed up. And the way 58:30 they got caught and killed was a really example. Well, on we were complaining about the 2hour 58:35 and 19 I locked her down here. That's why she's screaming. Sorry. Be right back. I think the two hour and 19 minute run 58:40 time is only because uh we didn't waste time with the two characters that I don't know none of us gave a [ __ ] about. 58:47 Especially the first guy, the lesbian was at least interesting. That first guy you're like you. Okay, go. Sorry. 58:53 Well, not to disagree, but I really disagree. It's a show. Go ahead. No, I I'm going to disagree because I really 58:59 thought that that was this was going to be my point to Ryan's uh statement that 59:04 Ben Richards is not a likable character in this. They make a point to say he's 59:10 just this well of anger and frustration, which doesn't endear yourself to rooting 59:18 for him, which is kind of something that I was complaining about with Baby Driver and the lead of that. And it I just 59:26 needed you to make me root for Ben a little bit more. And every time they did 59:31 a deep fake to try and convince you that he was even worse than he actually was, 59:36 it it just didn't help the personality of a a guy that can has the 59:44 capacity to be a likable leading man. They just stripped that away from Glenn 59:49 Powell as a leading man and made him this frustrated angry guy. 59:56 Yeah, it was where did he was he like the Hulk or something? I feel like every time he got angry he was all a sudden like kick-ass badass. I didn't 1:00:02 understand he was like a good calm happy father and all of a sudden he snapped and he was like super strength angry and 1:00:07 incredible fighter. I was there any history on his fighting ability that I missed or it's like Marty McFly if you call him 1:00:14 chicken all of a sudden he's gonna fight to the death. Yeah. Yeah. Know it's it's heavily suggested 1:00:20 even outright said that he does have a temper and he does get into fights and that's why he brings the baby in the 1:00:26 beginning to prevent himself from beating the [ __ ] out of his ex- boss. So yeah, it's implied that he is kind of 1:00:32 a badass. the one scene where he fantasizes smashing Josh Poland's face. I thought we might get more of that. So, 1:00:39 it actually feels way more out of place the fact that it's the one time that happens in the entire movie. Yeah, more of that would have been I 1:00:45 think that would have helped uh the movie overall if he But then it would have been 2 hours and 21 minutes. Yeah, before before I forget 1:00:51 before we get too far away from it, I I just wanted to comment on what something Ryan said, which was with um with 1:00:58 Laughlin where you see the Vegas sequence and then they get into the the 1:01:03 two uh hit kids killing her with flamethrowers, whatever it is. I like the way they cut it, I'm like, "Oh, 1:01:09 she's not dead. She's gonna come back." You know, the I actually thought that is not over and 1:01:16 that never played out at all. I edited it and and maybe intentionally because 1:01:22 again we're commenting on like the way that we experience media 1:01:28 now where you can't really believe in anything. It's edited in a way where you think she'll be back. She never does. 1:01:34 You can't believe anything that's really happening. And maybe that's intentional with the way they edit it, but I was like, "Oh, she'll be back. She's like 1:01:40 she's not dead." Did you guys talk about the multitude of costume and outfits he was wearing? I thought I was watching uh The Master 1:01:47 Disguise with Dana Carvey. I was just like, "Oh, no. That was other movie, The Hitman. Different Glenn Pal movie." 1:01:54 Oh, okay. All right. I was like, "Why is he wearing a father a father outfit or whatever?" Like that was I don't know 1:01:59 why those hokey and bad the the outfit changes. It was in the book. That's Yeah. And William H. Macy gave 1:02:06 him the priest outfit and there was another one, right? He had two changes for him, but I he was an executive and a priest. 1:02:13 Oh, and then he just switches. He's like a cowboy, but that costume sucks and he switches with the bub cuz he knows that 1:02:19 cowboy costume the guy and you know this guy who William H Macy's character gives him literally the worst fake mustache ever. 1:02:27 How did that guy stay in business? I will though just before before I forget this that was because we're kind of uh 1:02:35 lacking in things to like about it where where he was checking into the hotel or 1:02:40 something or I can't remember what section it was but the the picture of him behind like essentially the mug shot 1:02:46 of him and he's like turning in time with the mug shot and stuff and it constantly like looks exactly like him. 1:02:53 That was a good That was a clever shot. That was a clever shot. I agree that that was a standout moment 1:02:58 in an otherwise not great film. I also want to bring up something that Ryan made me think of um which I did not put 1:03:06 together at all. But you mentioned like the idea of like the Looney Tunes and the comedy. I think that if this had 1:03:11 been more like something like Kung Fu Hustle or other Steven Chow films, I 1:03:17 would have loved this so so so much. And now I'm almost thinking that I wish that 1:03:22 Steven Chow had directed this instead of Wright. Yeah, I agree. And I was thinking about I'm glad you brought up 1:03:29 the kids with the flamethrowers and it made me miss the niche cartoonish action 1:03:36 figury versions of the hunters. You only get the Mcome uh character. Tony, did 1:03:42 you like the uh eye wound of Mcome? No, I didn't. And I didn't like seeing it in IMAX. Okay. Yeah. So, real quick, 1:03:50 um I thought of you during that. I was so happy. Yeah. At least you were able Tony's going to hate this. At least you were 1:03:56 able to recline, Tony. Yeah. So, I think in the book they just wear like black hoods or something, but when 1:04:01 I saw the trailer and he has like a cool costume, I'm like, okay, maybe that's something from the 80s movie they're going to carry over. Like, they're all 1:04:07 going to be in cool outfits. But, you're right, it's just him. The other hunters don't have that. So, it's like, okay, well, now it's weird that 1:04:13 there's just one that's sticking out and they're not all kind of their own different characters. Um, I will say the 1:04:18 marketing kind of like was misleading. You were say you said you were upset that there were only three contestants, right? 1:04:24 Um, again, that is the source thing, but the trailer showed all these deaths. So, 1:04:29 in my mind, I'm like, oh, for the movie version, there was going to be like probably like 10 contestants, but then all those deaths 1:04:35 in the trailer are just little highlight reels that sometimes are playing in the background. I'm like, ah, that's kind of 1:04:41 I thought the whole movie was going to be sprinkled with that. I mean, that's the filmmaker's fault. That's the advertising's fault. But yeah, this is 1:04:47 why I don't watch this is why I never watched trailers. I never saw one scene from this film till I watched the film. 1:04:52 But more upset then. Me too. I was upset cuz I did I did get up to go to the restroom at one point and then I was 1:04:59 watching a commercial for it again when the guy gets the crossbow bolt through the head into the tree. 1:05:05 That was never in the movie, right? Just like in the background. And actually they play it twice, but again it's like little reels behind 1:05:11 someone or on the guy's like little video that he plays. the the really clunky plot device where the kid who 1:05:18 helps him escape is also the little brother of the guy who just happens to 1:05:24 do I don't know the YouTube channel whatever and that's new by the way that's new for this movie the YouTube channel is new 1:05:29 for this movie by the way that guy had a nice wall of VHS tapes Tom just like I do actually uh 1:05:36 so that's in there though because he's like talking about past seasons so that is a death from a past season uh so that 1:05:43 is in the movie, but that's where multiple of the deaths in the trailer are from that guy's video. 1:05:48 Yeah. Like the branches, the the logs smashing the guy's head and stuff, and I'm like, "Oh, again, I thought there would be like 10 1:05:55 contestants." They would come in between action. Technically, that kills from Return of the Jedi when the 1:06:01 I got I want to I want to ask everybody around the table just based on this part of the conversation. Kaye, the uh Have 1:06:09 you ever seen something in a trailer that didn't end up in the movie? Like famously for me, the Mr. and Mrs. Smith 1:06:16 uh tricycle with the gun on it that was in the trailer for that. Uh I remember 1:06:21 that not being in the movie and being like, "What the [ __ ] Where where's the tricycle gun?" Uh did did you do you 1:06:29 have any point of reference for something like that? I that happens all the time. But I also So like Ryan mentioned, I don't like to 1:06:35 watch trailers at all. I don't like to have any I don't even like to know the director of movies going in. I want I 1:06:42 want to know if somebody recommends me a movie that I trust their opinion then I will go see you must watch a ton of [ __ ] then 1:06:48 with that you must watch garbage non-stop I well I just like a lot of movies I 1:06:54 have low standards here's the thing Kay's never seen the original Halloween cuz it's called John Carpenters's Halloween she's like I 1:07:00 don't want to know who made this I'm going to spot it too why did they put the composer's name in 1:07:05 the title you have to like funn you have to funnel out like you have I do funnel things 1:07:12 down. I make an effort to not know anything. I like to not know who's starring in movies. I want to go in completely blind 1:07:18 to films. How do you go to the theater? You walk in, you see the poster and you're like, oh, [ __ ] him. Yeah, I do. I closing your eyes and 1:07:26 pressing buttons on the thing like, oh, we'll see what the dice roll. It's that lady. Is she blind? No, she's 1:07:32 just really annoying. She's completely out of her [ __ ] mind. But because of that, so I know 1:07:38 that I have seen things like that where there is a sequence in a trailer and then um it's not in the movie and then 1:07:44 it drives me crazy because I'm like, "But what about that cool looking thing?" But of course, I can't think of any examples. Well, I'm embarrassed that this comes up 1:07:50 only like 2 minutes after I mention Return of the Jedi because my example is uh Star Wars Rogue One. 1:07:56 Oh, you're going to say my If you say mine, Christian, I'm No, the the trailer for Rogue One was cut from an earlier cut of the movie 1:08:02 where completely different things happened. So, what you saw in there, you've actually never seen. Uh, and to 1:08:09 Kayle's thing about trailers, again, Star Wars, the only time I ever did that was Star Wars episode one, The Phantom 1:08:14 Menace. I would walk out of a theater uh for the trailers. I wouldn't watch it on TV. And then I finally saw the movie and 1:08:20 I was like, why the [ __ ] did I do that? Look what I ended up with. So, I've never done that since. I'm always fine 1:08:26 with trailers ever since Star Wars Episode. Anybody else have an example? Uh, I 1:08:32 thought Christian was going to say mine cuz Rogue One was the one I came up with. There was a cool scene in the trailer with I I shouldn't say I've 1:08:37 never seen a trailer. I did. I think Star Wars ones I've watched. I admit. So, when the uh when the Rogue One uh 1:08:43 trailer came out, uh there was a scene with the female lead. She's on this plank, the steel plank at the end, and 1:08:49 the the um I'm not a nerd. Tie fighter comes up and faces her and it's like fa 1:08:54 comes up and she's like facing off with it. Never happened in the film. I was waiting for that scene through the whole 1:08:59 film. I'm like, "Oh boy." that that was actually legit. That was that was probably the biggest disappointment from a trailer that I've ever experienced 1:09:05 because I couldn't wait to see how that scene played out, but it didn't happen in the film. Um I can't think of like scenes that 1:09:10 were like in a trailer and then deleted, but I can tell I can remember a couple misleading stuff where they shot for a 1:09:16 trailer. The 2006 Black Christmas remake. Watch that trailer. There are 1:09:22 straight up stuff they shot for the trailer to make the movie seem more exciting. That's just not in the movie. 1:09:28 That's your favorite Black Christmas, right? if I remember correctly. Oh, no. No. I know you're making a joke. 2019 is the bad remake. That's the bad 1:09:35 re is the okay remake. Oh my god. Yeah, that 2019 one is the 1:09:41 [ __ ] worst. Yeah. And then the one that's fresh in my head cuz the new Predators out, but Predators Ranger Brody has his hands up 1:09:47 and there's a million laser sights on him and then you see the movie and it's just one. You're like, "Oh, [ __ ] off." 1:09:52 Trailer. Oh, did they do that? Thousand Predators. That reminds me though of The Gray when 1:09:58 they show Liam Niss with the the broken bottles and he's going to punch a wolf in the face. 1:10:05 The very last scene and they and they never show the fight scene with that. I I got one guys uh that movie All the 1:10:12 Money in the World. When I saw that trailer, I said, "Wow, Kevin Spacy is going to be really good in that." 1:10:17 And then the movie came out and it was Christopher Plameumber. And I said, "Where's Kevin Spacy?" 1:10:22 I I don't think you want to know the answer as to where he was. Who knows what he know? Who knows what he was into that? 1:10:28 Go watch that trailer. Kevin Spy has like all these makeup effects on and then when they recast and they're like, "Fuck the makeup. It's just Christopher 1:10:34 Plameumber. We don't have time." I do have one big bone to pick up about the the running man as well. Was the the 1:10:40 whole idea of the open city amongst the public that surprised me. So when he went down the shoot, I'm like, "Oh, here 1:10:46 we go. He's going into the arena type area. He's going to go, you know, like a an abandoned dystopian type village or 1:10:53 something." And all of a sudden he's like, "Oh, I'm going to go order a pizza." I'm like, "What's going on here?" I I was so confused that they were they're playing cards and they're 1:10:59 mingling with the public. He's catching a cab. I was just I I really wish they did a um You ever seen the movie Hard 1:11:05 Target with JeanClaude Vanam? So I Okay. Well, I like the idea that 1:11:11 that they had an air Well, what I what I mean by this is they had an area where they would hunt humans. The idea was this was a designated area where the the 1:11:18 rich people go hunts the way you would hunt a lion, right? So, I kind of wish they they did that with this with a few more contestants. I guess like the 1:11:24 Hunger Games. I think the Hunger Games nailed that really well. They had an area where it was televised. You had all 1:11:30 these contestants with some characteristics. They showed the training ground. I think the Hunger Games did it very well. And maybe I can't believe I'm saying that the 1:11:36 Hunger Games. I'm not even a big fan of it. But the idea that they they Oh, you did. Okay. So, yeah, just the 1:11:41 idea that you had all these different characters with with different abilities. It was televised. It it made 1:11:46 more sense. This world building was so weak. And I think there's a I I have a theory why the world building is weak 1:11:52 nowadays. I could be wrong. A lot of people watch movies with their phones. And I think there's a part of I 1:11:57 think the part of the movie making now is they think nobody cares. We don't really like people might look up every now and 1:12:03 then when action beat happens and I'm watching this like what is this world? How does it operate? Why are there like 1:12:09 separations? Why is the game show have so much power? I just either I'm dumb or I'm or I was just or it wasn't written 1:12:16 very well or both. I just don't know what happened. You were brilliant. I don't know which one it is. 1:12:21 A lot of people are guests on a podcast while they're on their phones, right, Kaylee? Did you think that 1:12:27 Holy Did you think that Domingo Coleman was a good I thought that he could have 1:12:33 been the um I have to point out his name is Coleman. Domingo by the way. 1:12:39 Right. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Domingo. Coleman sounds like a Saturday Night Live character. Yeah, but Tony and I got it completely 1:12:44 wrong on Last I did Soho, too. when I point that out, but I thought that he could have just been the Killian. They I 1:12:52 think they felt like they got Josh Brolan, so they needed to use him. But I 1:12:58 thought that uh Coleman Domingo could have been Killian through the whole thing. He was great. Kaylee, what did 1:13:04 you think? He was great. 1:13:09 I honestly I have a hard time with it with questions like that in particular because 1:13:16 there were elements of this that was that were great but then I kept getting lost in everything else 1:13:21 and it just it felt at loss with itself. My problem is that Richard Dawson is so 1:13:27 great in the first one. So to split him up into two different characters was 1:13:33 disappointing to me. That's the funny thing cuz he is two different characters and that original movie did what you did. They're like, 1:13:38 "Wait, why don't we just put those two characters together?" And then this movie was like, "Fuck you, original movie. We're separating them again. Now 1:13:45 it's two characters." I'm like, "You could have just made them one character. It would have been fine. It worked for the other movie. That's 1:13:51 like one change in the other movie that I actually like." Like, yeah, just put these two together. Why not? But perhaps the the intention of doing 1:13:57 that is saying that Dawson wasn't achievable by one person. So, I don't know. I said it should have been 1:14:03 Ryan Serest in in the last like it would have been akin to that if if you could get Ryan 1:14:09 Serest to conceivably you know do a villain um like that he would be the 1:14:16 modern Richard Dawson. Were you guys confused that Sean Hayes was one of the game show host for one 1:14:23 and he never shows up again? One of their other game shows. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to see more of him like 1:14:29 oh that's great. He should have been the wheel. The spinning wheel dribble wheel. Yeah, the fat guy on wheel show. That 1:14:34 show's good. I did want to confirm though that like I was waiting for um Bobby T to get 1:14:39 brought up as uh one of the highlights of this movie that it took us this long. We're we're over an hour into this 1:14:46 before he gets brought. His voice alone could have could have carried, you know, 1:14:51 a lot of this movie. I thought he was I thought he was really good. Yeah, it would have been better if he 1:14:56 was if Josh Brolan was not even in it. It was all just him doing the Richard 1:15:02 Dawson thing. I think he I think he had what it takes to do that and they did like Josh. 1:15:08 They split. I do like Josh Brolan, but I just I like the Richard Dawson dynamic. How he is on 1:15:15 stage being the most charismatic person that's bringing all of the boys to the 1:15:20 yard. And then off camera, he's the world's biggest dick. And that's what's great about the Dawson 1:15:27 character in the first one. And I I think that uh Coleman Domingo's Bobby T 1:15:33 had the potential to be that closer to real life Richard Dawson in the first. They didn't need Josh Brolan, but it's 1:15:39 like, "Oh, we can get Josh Brolan, so we'll use Josh Brolan." But they shouldn't have. It's like Yeah. The more Bobby T the better. Like 1:15:46 they should He wasn't He wasn't in the movie enough. You're right. He He would have killed the Brolan part, too. Yeah. 1:15:51 Because uh I have to run in a moment. I'm going to interrupt everybody and say that what I uh you know I kind of like 1:15:57 the the Bobby T arc in the end where he's like yeah check my contract and he walks up. Um but that refers to kind of 1:16:04 how the ending has like kind of like three endings. It's almost like you know when you see Clue on television and they 1:16:11 stitch all three endings together because him being across the street from his family at the supermarket would not 1:16:16 have been a particularly satisfying ending but you could see that logically being the end of the movie. He's like, "Okay, he's not dead. He's going to go 1:16:23 uh off with his family." And, you know, then, you know, the it's much more showy to, you know, do the countdown with the 1:16:30 gun and to Josh Brolan. But, um, I I felt like there were multiple endings 1:16:36 and I wasn't satisfied with any of them, but it, you know, I really enjoyed the movie for the most part. I hope more 1:16:41 people check it out. You could all tell me that I'm wrong, but uh, on your side, yeah, it wasn't a horrible movie. It 1:16:48 wasn't a horrible, it wasn't a horrible movie. There there were a different group of five of us at the beginning of 1:16:53 this. Oh, and and a couple people who are not here who didn't like it. 1:16:59 Real quick, Ryan, did you see this in a a real IMAX or like a Rochester IMAX? 1:17:05 It was It was a normal screen, I guess. I don't think it was an official IMAX. Oh, that's actually a normal screen is 1:17:10 better than a Rochester IMAX. The chairs are more comfortable. Yeah, it was very it was it was a nice 1:17:16 theater, so maybe it was It's pretty big. It wasn't. It wasn't like a pushy [ __ ] chairs. It's not like the 1:17:23 It doesn't recline. They don't recline. They didn't recline. They didn't recline. 1:17:28 Look at how much fun I'm having. Recline. You know what, guys? The movie would have been way better if I had seen it in 1:17:33 a better theater. You're right about that. No, they needed a scene where Ben Richards is yelling at the rich lady. 1:17:39 One of the things he should have brought up, he's like, "And you know what? Our chairs and our iMacs don't recline. And 1:17:44 you fat cats have your reclining chairs. You think you have a nice scarf? Forget your scarf. I want a reclining chair. 1:17:51 True. Uh but anyway, uh I I did have fun talking about it. I didn't mean to interrupt you, Kayie. Finish your 1:17:57 thought. I'm sorry. I just Oh, I was going to say I'm very similar to Christian Blad and I actually have to 1:18:02 get run as well pretty soon. Well, I do want to tell you guys that that you know what people are going to talk. Where are we going together? 1:18:09 Oh, no. I didn't even go see a movie with you. Nobody has anything to worry about. Best friends. Yeah, 1:18:14 I'll tell you. No. After learning your theater experience, we don't want to see movies with you guys. We wouldn't be caught dead there. 1:18:20 But Tony, I'll go and uh I'll go and see something with you before the end of the year. Okay. Something other than Wicked. I'm 1:18:27 not sure why. I'm not seeing Wicked, so that's fine. Well, my my wife wants to see it, so I'll be seeing it. Anyway, uh thank you 1:18:34 everybody. Uh please uh check me out on uh social media Christian DMZ and 1:18:40 Tuesdays who are these broadcasters on the Who Are These Podcasts YouTube channel and it's also available as its 1:18:47 own podcast. And if you're not impressed with me, my co-host Eric Zayn is very 1:18:52 impressive. He has tremendous hair and a great radio voice. So that alone is reason to tune in to Who Are These 1:18:58 Broadcasters? My personal podcast, The Black Cast, Bla Dtc. Uh Kaylee was on recently talking about John Carpenters's 1:19:05 Halloween, even though it is John Carpenters's Halloween. And uh check all that out. Oh, I'm sorry. The show I make 1:19:11 money from. 100 songs that define heavy metal hosted by Brian Slaggel of Metal Blade Records wherever podcasts are 1:19:17 found. Yes. Thank you, Christian, for joining the show. I I love hearing your thoughts 1:19:22 about uh films. Kaylee, I know you have to go, but I did want to uh recount you 1:19:29 like tell you that this movie was meta in uh more than one way as we went to 1:19:36 dinner and I had a a lovely Mexican dinner and several drinks and then we 1:19:42 went out for uh cocktails after the movie and I ate some uh chicken wings 1:19:48 and then I went home and uh I I became the running man. I was I had the runs 1:19:54 and I was running to the bathroom all night last night. I'm so glad I didn't eat any chicken 1:20:00 wings or Mexican food. I just drank my dinner and snacks. You did the right thing. Smart woman. 1:20:06 Not eating all the contaminated food that I ate last night. I'm sorry that your butthole isn't as in 1:20:12 good of shape. I'm so glad I I I'm so glad I have a bedet because I really needed to cool it 1:20:18 down. Do you want to tug anything at this time? Not your butthole. I don't know how to 1:20:24 answer that question. Jesus Christ. Um uh yeah, you can check me out on Over with Kaylee. C A Y L E Y. Let's never 1:20:32 talk about Andy's butthole over there. That's one of the advantages of going over there and subscribing and liking. 1:20:37 I'm doing uh movie reviews. I got some exciting episodes coming up about the good old internet days. We're talking 1:20:43 about things like Usenet and how the chocolate chip cookie started the internet. Um also does dabble first 1:20:49 stuff over there. Now that I'm expanding you on the screen, I have to say I love your show and I love you. 1:20:54 Real quick, Kayie, Kayie, Kaylee, have you reviewed any other movies that are based off books recently on any other 1:21:01 channels? You know, it's interesting because we did recently talk about another movie that was based on a book, we're also in 1:21:08 addition to that, what was really really cool about it was that it was also more heavily based on the book than previous versions of it. 1:21:15 And that was Frankenstein. And I feel like Rob Kay was hanging out at least for a little bit when we were doing 1:21:20 that, but also it was on um Tony from Hack the Movies. It was wonderful. We 1:21:26 were joined by uh Vinnie Paulino and it was great. Also, go to the creepoff and 1:21:31 make sure that you are voting for Vinnie. Yeah. Oh wow. Wow. Is that who we're supposed to sucked? 1:21:37 We're going to replace Kaylee with a even hotter guest. Kaylee, thank you for participating. I'll talk 1:21:42 I'll see you soon, Kaylee. I'm going to see you next week or a weekend this week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right, bye guys. Have a great night. Thank you 1:21:48 so much for having me. And um Andy, again, thank you so much for doing this series. It really I am so excited that I 1:21:53 got to participate in it. It has been a dang blast. I've been just ripping off your show. It's just because I like your show so 1:22:00 much that I wanted to do this and and Ryan gave me an excuse to do it. So, I think it's all because of Ryan. 1:22:06 Definitely not. Definitely not because of Tony. We all know that. No. Anyway, love you. 1:22:11 He does it better than everyone. And welcome to the show to K. Oh, you you bastards. 1:22:18 That's what I decided to. No, bring me up. Pick me up. No. God damn. You are. No. You show up this late, you don't get 1:22:24 to talk to me. I know. I know. Damn it. Happens to every story of my goddamn life. 1:22:31 Where's your [ __ ] girlfriend that bailed on us? Oh. Uh, well, I mean, it is like, you know, I don't think she saw the movie. 1:22:38 I don't think she saw the So, hey, okay, we're asking very important questions. Did you see this in a real IMAX or a 1:22:44 Rochester IMAX that doesn't have a fin? I I saw it at the time it was available 1:22:49 in my local theater because all right I had a show at 11:00 that ended at 1. I had another show at 6. There was a 240 1:22:56 playing. Boom. I'm taking that one. I didn't even know what it was. Okay, we're learning Rochesteres aren't 1:23:01 the best. So Oh, really? Okay. Trying to compare it to everyone else's experience. I I just [ __ ] 1:23:07 my feet are updated with reclining seats and tables problems. 1:23:14 So, so, uh, 2K, what did you think about the movie? Like, did I enjoyed it? It was good. I It I I 1:23:21 wouldn't say great. I still like the original better. Um, I I do I I do miss the gimmicky aspect 1:23:27 of of the original, you know, the fact that all the bad guys had their own weird gimmick thing as opposed to this five mercenaries, you know, you 1:23:34 following a burn victim. Yes. Yes. I did have a fantasy in my head that 1:23:40 there would be a scene where some child put a a miniature dynamo in the street 1:23:45 and then Ben Richard would run it over with a car and just destroy that character cuz I [ __ ] hate Dynamo in 1:23:52 the original. Oh, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You hate Dynamo? 1:24:01 Dynamo rules. [ __ ] you. We talked to Nice Dog last week about the original 1:24:06 and I said one of the one of the things the best things it's like putting po making Polka Dot Man a a likable 1:24:13 character in the Suicide Squad, right? How how do how can we make Dynamo the the best character in this new version 1:24:21 and I was really hoping they would do it or at least not even have a Lightbrite somewhere on set that but they never did 1:24:28 any of that in it and whatever it's funny. Um, real quick, can I get back to something Ryan said earlier 1:24:33 about the game being out in the world? Again, that is the source material. The previous one did what you said is to put 1:24:40 it in an area. Uh, but I think another reason, maybe one thing that got this green lit is that the John Wick movies 1:24:46 are super popular and those are about everyone chasing a guy just out in the 1:24:51 world. That might have been like why this got like green lit. They're like, "Oh, wait. This is like a John Wick." 1:24:57 So, I think that is why they're like, "You know what? We'll do what they did in the book so we can make it like a John Wick. But the action wasn't as good 1:25:02 as John Wick. No, there really weren't a lot of like fight sequences, like handtohand fight sequences in the movie. You know, it was 1:25:08 mostly him running for his life and blowing [ __ ] up behind him. Yeah. Accidentally. Not even intentionally. 1:25:14 So, in the last episode we did of talking about the original, we tried to we tried to come up with the references 1:25:20 of all the movies that were similar to this. The Hunger Games was brought up earlier and we mentioned that that The Hunger Games is like this and that. John 1:25:26 Wick, that's such that's a great poll as far as that's very much like this. The one that I just thought of and I was 1:25:32 looking up was um Boss Level the the Frank Gillo one where it's just like you 1:25:37 had all the hunter characters around it cuz somebody brought up that the hunters weren't 1:25:43 like as prominent or like in a in a better way. like you could have done it 1:25:48 better, you know, like the the hunters just didn't get featured as much, especially like I'm sorry not not to interrupt you yet 1:25:55 again, Joe. I I I'm so I'm so sorry to interrupt you yet again, but I it's I just need to 1:26:02 bring up the twin brain version. I'm not kidding. Like 20 minutes ago, I was 1:26:07 thinking, what else could I possibly do similar to this? And I was looking at 1:26:12 Joe Carneahan's filmography. So, the fact that you're bringing up boss level right now is disturb it's disturbing to 1:26:19 me from a Tomas and Zamoth point. I got I got to ask and you guys probably 1:26:25 if you just really quickly tell me your individual enjoyment level like did you like it? Did you love it? Was it okay? 1:26:31 Yeah, you missed the beginning like it collective 1:26:36 collectively everybody was begging for it to be better than it was. I feel like 1:26:41 it is it's a entertaining movie and I was watching it with Jenny Jingles. I was sitting right next to Jenny Jingles 1:26:47 who had not seen the Schwarzenegger version and uh my wife had not seen the 1:26:53 Schwarzenegger version and then I get to the end of the film and I ask them what they thought and they very they enjoyed 1:26:58 it very much because Glen Powell is in a towel for a good portion of the movie. But uh how did that towel stay on that whole 1:27:05 time? That's what I want to know. Yeah, unfortunately didn't didn't stay on the entire time. 1:27:11 I was hoping it'd fall off earlier. No. I was hoping he would use it. Like what? 1:27:17 Well, let's get let's let's grade it. I mean, I don't know. Do you want to save it for the end? But like since it was brought up, like do you want to give 1:27:24 your like kind of grade of this before we kind of like dive into the end of it because we 1:27:29 Yeah, I think that's that's fine. Uh Tony, how would you rate this on a let's steal Kayle's format? Uh, seven thumb 1:27:37 out of seven thumbs. No, like a a A like start A being A being the greatest 1:27:43 cinema score. Okay. Okay. I'll do a I'll give it like a B+. Um, I really I really 1:27:50 enjoyed it. I kind of knew it wasn't going to be like his earlier stuff. And uh, 2K, you relate to this, but like I 1:27:56 love the original movie. Yeah. Uh, but I like just read the book before I saw this. So, I was able to 1:28:02 enjoy this as an adaptation of the book and not really compare it to the original movie. So, yeah, I enjoyed it 1:28:07 as its own thing. Obviously, I'm going to watch the original movie more. Uh, it's just more fun. Um, and it gets the 1:28:13 idea across just in a very different way. Uh, but no, I think it was like solid. The action's good. It's not the 1:28:18 best thing ever. I think the Home Alone sequence is the best part of the movie. Uh, and Glenn Pal's charm. And like I 1:28:25 said, you could show this to someone who's not familiar with the Schwarzenegger one. I think they would like it a lot more. I think so. 1:28:30 Solid B+. Room for improvement. Ryan, 1:28:37 uh, well, Tony, I'm surprised by that high score. And it's there. Yeah, but that's not a bad assessment, though. I I 1:28:43 feel like I had zero expectations going in. I wasn't even comparing it to the old film. I mean, I'm old and I 1:28:49 definitely was raised in the 80s and I love Arnold and I enjoyed the movie. It's funny, my oldest son, he saw the 1:28:55 original uh the original Running Man just recently. He had never seen it and he's 27 and he's like uh oh I hated that 1:29:01 movie because it was really corny. he didn't he didn't get the like it was really cheesy and corny cuz he wasn't 1:29:06 raised in the 80s right so for him the 2025 eyes to see that film was like so I think everything we're hearing it sounds 1:29:12 like if you don't know the original you don't have any kind of affiliation for it uh you probably would enjoy maybe 1:29:18 just a little bit more cuz it's not boring it's fun Glenn Pal's great all those things are true I guess I felt 1:29:23 like I was more confused than I wanted to be and I was questioning everyone's motives more than I thought I was and I 1:29:29 think Glenn is a good actor and I think he's a good leading man he's only 37 years old so he's still got a lot of history, a lot of future ahead of him in 1:29:35 film. I just I kind of wish I liked him more. I I like he was a father and a husband like, "Oh, this is good. I can 1:29:40 relate with this." And all of a sudden, he was just like an [ __ ] to everybody. It seemed really weird. I was like, I didn't understand why he was 1:29:46 such a good father and family man, but he seemed to be kind of a jerk. And I don't know, like he was a jerk to everyone, you know, he's strangling kids 1:29:52 and stuff. I I don't know. It was It was kind of odd. I mean, we've all wanted to at some point. 1:29:57 Well, yeah, I guess so. Anyways, C++ I give it I give it a good part of 1:30:03 the movie. C++ C plus. Interesting. Yeah. Um I guess that is 1:30:09 part of the what I my problem with the character. It's like just because you 1:30:14 have a family doesn't make you somebody I want to root for. But right 1:30:19 it was a good starting point. I found myself liking him at the very beginning with his boss talking to his wife. I felt his his plight. Then all of a 1:30:25 sudden I'm like I don't know how I feel about him anymore. It was weird. It was a weird transition to like the character. They didn't give him any They didn't 1:30:30 give him any sense of humor. You got to give these people a sense of humor to make them entertaining on screen. 1:30:37 He did ask He did ask the pilot how he likes his coffee just after he found out his wife and kid were dead. He I like how he's still able to come up with 1:30:42 oneliners. Hey Ben, are you are you making coffee? Yeah. How do you like 1:30:48 that? My wife and kid just I just like how my wife and kid just got 1:30:53 killed, but now I'm coming up with quips. Anyway, the the deer diary thing had a little bit of humor in it. Little deer did the 1:30:59 deer diary. Oh, yeah. I ate 20 puppies today. That was funny. Yeah. 1:31:04 Curtis, do you have any Coke Zero? How about plain zero? The only [ __ ] oneliner that we got out of Glenn 1:31:11 Powell. Joe. Uh, a A+ to F minus. What do you give the running man, Joe? 1:31:18 Um, so yeah, I'm falling. The reasons I didn't like it was for 1:31:26 what I wanted out of it, like what it lacked so much. So, the lack of Edgar 1:31:32 Wright touches to it. You know, we had like it was setting an expectation for I 1:31:37 thought the original leaves you so much room for humor in there and Edgar Wright's previous work has so much humor 1:31:44 that you would think that it would be there. The reason I gave it a higher score is because it was so true to the 1:31:51 source material. Like we were saying we our friend had just read the book or was like a fanatic about the book and he was 1:31:57 saying it was like virtually 90% accurate. Obviously the ending not so much but like the accuracy of it. I thought 1:32:04 it looked really good, but then there was just we things we've tal for 2K Ryan, maybe you weren't here for like 1:32:10 things that um like didn't like just didn't deliver like the Janssky and 1:32:17 Laughlin role like characters that just felt left out or could have you could 1:32:23 have brought them in to be better. So, a lot of potential that was never met. The Dune Buggies part could have been like 1:32:30 action that could have been that we didn't get. Dynamo's Dune Buggy was better. We all agree. We all love Dyn. 1:32:36 That's a good That's a good point. There were dune buggies in both movies. We could have done this better. And um but 1:32:43 we did but things like I brought it up before like the Roarshack test, the interview thing where he like the the 1:32:48 word association thing was so funny to me. Um, so a lot the reason I gave it a 1:32:53 B ving on B minus like a very low B a B but verging on B minus only because I 1:33:02 saw potential that I didn't get but I liked a lot of it. I like the look. I liked, you know, and I liked the story. 1:33:07 I knew I was going to get the disto like the book version of this that I wasn't comparing it to the Arnold one. Yeah. 1:33:14 So So I knew what I was going to get. So, it delivered that, but I wanted it to go just a little bit further to make 1:33:21 it a better movie. Sure. Okay, fair enough. 2K uh 1:33:27 scale of A to F. I'm I'm with I'm with Ryan on this one. I I went C++ with it. Um I I did you 1:33:34 guys mentioned the Schwarzenegger money yet? Yeah, I was Christian background was 1:33:39 Schwarzenegger money. Yeah, Schwarzenegger money instantly. All right, that's that's pretty funny, I guess. Um, I I thought the the uh the 1:33:45 character I did the flush like Bolan's character Brolan was great. I think he really pulled off his character really 1:33:51 well. Coleman Domingo was great at playing Coleman Domingo. Well, more of more of Coleman. Yes. 1:33:59 Yeah. Yeah. I mean I the action was decent. It left me wanting like you said 1:34:04 I the dune buggy scene 100% like oh this is going to be a really cool chase. He's going to launch some of those those pipe 1:34:09 bombs at the helicopter. It's going to be fantastic. going to be over the top and I'm like, "Oh, he's just going to fall off the bridge." Okay, that's fine, 1:34:14 too. That works. Yeah. On the trailer, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and I also feel like they like they they they kind of 1:34:21 established that he and his wife were ex-military, but not like can we give us a little bit like what like you know I I 1:34:27 mean clearly he has a military background, but she implied that she did too. And I feel like we never really got like 1:34:32 an idea of what happened with that. But uh but and of course I think at the end like the second he says, "Oh, your wife and kid are dead." I think everyone 1:34:38 watching the movie said, "No, they're not. Stop it. Well, not me. Not me, cuz I read the book and they are dead. So, 1:34:45 but they showed us they can fake any video. And I'm like, clearly this is just a fake and them being killed. They're trying to they're trying to get 1:34:50 this guy to sign on. Although why you would sign on with people who just murdered your wife and kid? Wait, did 1:34:56 you say five-year deal? Five year deal. I mean, I want I mean I was thinking six. Yeah, that's why that's why in the 1:35:03 book's like just random people did it. He didn't go one of our guys did. He's like random people did it. That was who 1:35:10 killed your wife and kid. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think we all had issues with the 1:35:15 ending, but it's cuz they couldn't do the 9/11 ending, so they had to go and it really stumbles at the end. That's 1:35:22 why I didn't give it as high of like Yeah, they kind of fell in their face. It's funny. I I as aer go to Islander 1:35:29 games and he did this bit where they play the scene from Godzilla or where where the general goes, I want you to blow up Madison Square Garden. The 1:35:36 Rangers are are their biggest rival. And then post 911 that went away fast. 1:35:41 No, not showing that part anymore. No, Andy, what was your how did you rate it? 1:35:48 Yeah, I I was thinking that I was going to rate this on a scale from uh Shaun of the Dead to last night Soho. Like, where 1:35:55 does this fit in in the quality of all of these movies that I've been discussing for the last, 1:36:01 you know, month and a half? And when I reflect on that, I feel like I would 1:36:08 enjoy watching this more than I would I'd rather rewatch this than Baby Driver. And I'd probably rather we 1:36:15 rewatch this than last night in Soho. Even though I feel like Last Night in Soho 1:36:21 feels more like an Edgar movie than this does. But when just when it comes to 1:36:27 rewatchability because after you know what happens in Soho, the mystery is half of it. So 1:36:33 when you remove remove that, it kicks it down to and then it's like, okay, between this 1:36:39 and World's End, I still feel like I'd rather watch World's End. So yeah, it's 1:36:45 it's probably just a step above Baby Driver with um Baby Driver and Last Night in Soho at the bottom. They they 1:36:52 almost go in order, but this uh yeah, this just didn't deliver the Edgar 1:36:58 personality that I had hoped for. I really just wanted a little more 1:37:04 kinetic, you know, like the hard cuts, like the the montagey things. If it was 1:37:09 a little more of that and just a little bit funnier, it it would have hit the right tone. But 1:37:16 it lacked charm. Yeah. It it lacked charisma and charm. And if 1:37:21 it if it just had a script doctor that wrote six jokes, this would have been 1:37:28 probably a way better movie if there was six big big laughs in it. And um it 1:37:34 didn't look it felt like a different director directing it. But I mean, a lot of that is like like 1:37:39 that interview I saw of him, he said he wanted to make the movie that he envisioned in his head and he read the book when he was young 1:37:45 before he had a style. So maybe this is what he wanted it to look like. He's like, "This is how I pictured it before 1:37:51 I had the Edgar Wright style." So, yeah, maybe he made He made the book with a producer 1:37:56 going, "You can't do the 911 ending." I think I think they knew that going in. 1:38:02 They're like, "Well, right away we're changing that ending." So, to that to that point, let's talk about the ending, right? Like because 1:38:08 that is like I I I guess I'll give my opinion or at least 1:38:14 a gen generic is like it just felt preposterous really in the like I don't know. Should we Ryan? What did 1:38:21 you think about the ending of this one versus I mean were you familiar with the book? 1:38:27 I read the book so long ago I I can't even speak to it. I'm a big Stephen King fan. I've read most of his books once 1:38:32 but not a fly plane in the building. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So they Right. 1:38:38 That's right. Yeah. So they they escaped that issue, but the whole with the the countdown killing Josh Pearl's 1:38:43 character, I kind of like that. I don't mind that at all. I mean, this guy is the tyrant. So the the the rebel leader, 1:38:48 he's basically the new rebel leader for this new society. But that's what I was confused about. Like I still was a little bit confused with what the movie 1:38:54 showed me why people were um why this group, this game group was again, Hunger 1:39:00 Games explained it very well. I was more confused here as to why were they so there would seem to be more of them than 1:39:06 the others. Why were they so there's a combination of they seem to be prisoners in this world 1:39:11 uh but they also like uh enjoyed the game at the same time but then they revolted against the game at the end. So 1:39:16 I was a little bit confused why they were angry but they also enjoyed the game at the same time. Does that make the audience fought at the end but why did they do that with episode one? 1:39:23 Oh sorry this is popping into my head and not to interrupt you but it felt Ready Player Oneish too. 1:39:30 Yes. um just similar things. But sorry, 1:39:35 continue. Oh, I again I just I don't know if I'm exposed in my lack of understanding the movie, but I just I I was confused by 1:39:41 the world building. So, it was hard for me to cheer again for Glenn because the game rules were unclear. And then where 1:39:47 he was allowed to go was unclear, when he had to pop in and check was like I found myself just kind of confused all 1:39:52 the fine. I just know he can't be caught or killed and he eventually is going to win. I'm going to see how he does it. 1:39:58 Yeah. I I I was surprised that the woman who was kind of featured so prominently 1:40:04 in the marketing of the film that she show he gets she gets carjacked 1:40:10 and then he's she's in the last whatever 40 minutes of the movie. 1:40:15 That character seemed very tacked on. Is she in the book any that 1:40:20 she is, but he spends I mean it's at the later end of the book. That is the third like person he interacts with. But um he 1:40:28 spends like a long time with her and like kind of like shows her how everything's kind of [ __ ] up. Whereas 1:40:34 this they just they had to do it because it's in the book. But they sped through it a lot. That's why you get that weird that is weird part of like uh the movie 1:40:41 where he's just like and by the way rich bad poor people good and blah blah blah blah blahorations. 1:40:48 Yeah. It's like in the book he makes this point like by showing like actions like she trusts the police and she's 1:40:54 like obviously I'll turn you in but they are like ready to shoot him with her in front of like in front of him. So that's 1:41:00 when she realized like oh the system is not on my side even though I'm rich. It's done a little bit better whereas 1:41:05 the movie you're right tries to speed through it and I'm like I want to introduce that girl maybe earlier. Uh I don't know. I 1:41:13 don't know. Or if this was a series, you could have had like two episodes with her. But yeah, they kind of rushed that whole that car that that was a little 1:41:20 cringe. The whole car dialogue where he's like, "Wish people bad like, okay, all right." Well, was anyone else hoping for to the 1:41:27 what was it? Michael Sarah. Yeah. Anyone hope for his mom to take one between the eyes at some point? Stop 1:41:33 screaming. Yes. Like, no. Well, she's she's in a safe room, but she's in the safe room with no way out. 1:41:39 She's stuck in there. I think I don't think she can get she's going to die in the safe room. That's what placed the bury. I was 1:41:45 hoping they were going to be like and yeah, my mom's crazy cuz of an evil clown every 30 years, 1:41:50 but I guess the clown's dead at this point, but whatever. So 2 2K what did you think about like 1:41:56 say like the thing that I didn't understand or whatever is just like all 1:42:01 of a sudden there's some like uprising in the audience at the end of like 1:42:07 well like how do they orchestrate this or Well here's the thing I I think I think the guy that the the black guy that was 1:42:14 doing the um the uh the tapes YouTube channel okay he showed that a lot that 1:42:19 the cheering actually wasn't cheering they were already angry and booing earlier on, you know, like so they but they they put 1:42:26 fake people but me show Oh, see this guy this guy was from season one. So they were showing fake like fake outrage at 1:42:31 at the the our main character where it was actually outrage at at the corporation. So when they when it they 1:42:37 get busted essentially supposedly killing his wife and child and then and then they that I think led to the uh the 1:42:43 eventual so many fake so many fakeos I don't even know what movie I was watching at the time. I was like is this the movie or is 1:42:48 this a fake out? I don't know what I'm watching after the time. Hey, is is that the character? Is that Tom Cruz with a 1:42:53 mascot? That was something that was an a thing 1:43:00 that I enjoyed the most about the movie is when they would pay homage to the original with the uh the solid gold 1:43:07 dancers coming out and the the port the the ride that takes you into the game 1:43:14 zone. Yeah, that is from that movie. I don't remember that in the novel. Yeah. Yeah. Why do they keep yelling stop 1:43:20 filming me? Sorry. Why Why do they keep yelling that? Stop filming me. I think because they know it gives away 1:43:27 their location. Okay. Or just tired of it. I've been thinking 1:43:32 film for so long. Just [ __ ] stop filming me already. Here's the other thing that like confused me or like I didn't quite 1:43:40 or I I felt like it didn't deliver the way that it should have or whatever. Uh Tony, because you just listened to the 1:43:47 book, correct me or remind me in the I think in the book he only goes like nine 1:43:52 days, right? Like in this it goes like 17. They're supposed to go 30. Like 1:43:57 nobody even comes close except for maybe McCone. Obviously Mone says they that he 1:44:03 went 29. They don't even get anywhere near 30 days in this. And I think that's like 1:44:09 leaves like it's just a a let down. I guess or disappoint. 1:44:14 Yeah, that's what I felt about this. They're overpower. All the contestants seem like grossly overpowered. I don't know how this is even fun to watch. 1:44:21 You're basically just watching people get murdered and within a day. It's weird. And they're not being filmed 24/7. So, it's just like, okay. 1:44:28 Mhm. I guess the show they just cut together. What is the rest of the show if they only do like seven minutes of that 1:44:34 thing? Like, it's just like, is it the hunters just being like America? Am I right? Yeah. Like there had to be one guy in 1:44:41 the show to that just filmed his own [ __ ] every day for 10 minutes and then threw it in a box. There you go. 1:44:48 Um I'm looking up. I would have like Sorry, I'm looking up. Uh it says his kid his wife and kid were dead for at 1:44:54 least 10 days in the book. So he made it more than 10 days. Uh oh. 197 hours. How many days is that? 1:45:03 Oh crap. You're going to make me do math. That's six days. That's like seven less than That's about seven days. 1:45:09 Okay, never mind. All right. Well, then 10 days. Okay. I'm not sure. Let's just say it was two weeks. Let's just say I did I did wish that there was a little 1:45:17 more to the evasion and some some more espionage. Not even espionage, but oh, 1:45:24 you just happen to know this William H. Macy guy that's give you a fake mustache. That was a weird nothing. 1:45:30 Yeah, that is a shortcut to writing. And I would have liked to see more 1:45:37 trickery and sneakiness. The thing when he did like the gum with the mirror to 1:45:44 escape, there just needed to be a little more thought put into how you would 1:45:51 successfully win this game. And it was all just 1:45:57 just kind of set aside or shortcuted shortcuted around or explained away. and 1:46:04 it made it less interesting instead of it being more like a a born identity kind of movie which it had the potential 1:46:10 to be. In the same idea if happened to run into a street urchin whose brother just happened to be the biggest YouTube 1:46:18 underground cousin is Mr. Beast. Thanks again. I can't believe that that's what 1:46:24 they came up with with the movie. Like in the book, he's just like, "Hey, uh, we all have these, uh, illegally made 1:46:30 air filters in our nose to filter out the bad air." And then this movie was like, "Yeah, we're not going to do 1:46:36 that." What if he was a YouTube conspiracy guy? No. Yeah, there wasn't 1:46:44 a CBS YouTube or a CBS show called Hunted at one point. I'm looking I'm 1:46:50 trying to look this because I'm like, we've seen this at one point. You're right. uh that I think and yeah 1:46:55 there there's been other like Japanese game shows similar to this 1:47:02 they're one step away from hunting themselves for support over there. Yeah. 1:47:07 Uh Ryan, any other takeaways from what you maybe like your favorite part 1:47:13 or your least favorite part of the movie was? Well, it's interesting you guys were so big on uh the the Booker T guy. Sorry, 1:47:20 what was his name again? Uh Bobby T. Bobby Coleman. Yeah, he he was good, but I really like 1:47:26 Josh Brolan and I admit so every Josh Brolan and Glenn Pal scene together. They were really great together and I I 1:47:33 really enjoyed the backstory. So, here's the thing. I really enjoyed getting up to the games, the trial sessions, though I feel like they should have expanded on 1:47:39 those more, had more contestants maybe go through it or see how they fail. Uh, I found myself a little bit bored for 1:47:46 the for the any parts that weren't I I almost like the non- action sequencing stories better. Like I like the the 1:47:52 characters that when they were talking and talking about the world, talking about the game more than the game itself. That was weird for me to sort of 1:47:59 enjoy that more than the actual gameplay. Yeah, 1:48:04 that's about it. So other than that, C. Yeah, I I say watch it. It's a good film. And Andy, before we do close, 1:48:09 because you are uh you are in charge of this whole season of right now, first I want to say thank you for allowing the show to be on the on the director's 1:48:16 chair network. I really want to thank you for that. You've done an incredible job. you've uh really you brought your agame and I really appreciate you coming 1:48:22 on and everyone that guested on your show and I would like uh I want to kind of hear your final thoughts of what you 1:48:28 learned about agro right as a director. Are you happy with his work overall? If you don't mind sharing like two minutes I'm curious what you what you have to 1:48:34 say about him as a director. Yeah, that that is something I have been 1:48:39 wrestling with all the way up to starting this episode 1:48:44 as I start I suggested doing this because I 1:48:50 thought that I was taking on something that I would enjoy as a whole like across the board. 1:48:57 And now like the more that I've dug into it and the more that I've 1:49:03 come to understand the the especially the latter movies where he's gone on to 1:49:10 stop just doing the same movie over and over again. It's like where do I go from 1:49:15 here once I am not doing the Simon Peg Nick Frost thing um on you know 1:49:22 specifically Baby Driver specifically Last Night in Soho and and this film. 1:49:27 So, it's been hard to come to terms with that 1:49:32 the the guy, the director, the artist, Edgar Wright, is a capable and 1:49:40 watchable and entertaining director and wrapping my brain around why I like the 1:49:48 early stuff so much versus what he's gone on when he's taking risks and 1:49:53 trying to do something different, you know? I think that I like the running 1:49:58 man as a swing that he's taken back at action and doing something mainstream. I 1:50:06 do I'm glad that he did that versus last night in Soho kind of thing, but 1:50:12 um in the end it just becomes when we didn't even talk about I I I 1:50:18 wish that uh Kaylee and Chris were still here because Yeah, me too. We got to like talk. Yeah. Um, like we I 1:50:25 I wanted to talk about the last episode of Space because when we were talking about all of those earlier works, it was 1:50:32 all about him being a voice of my generation and how he's gone on in these last three 1:50:39 films to not really represent me anymore and me coming to terms with 1:50:47 that. And this isn't like I don't I guess this is so 1:50:53 masturbatory as a person that's making these videos, but uh it's it's been um 1:51:01 something to come to terms with for me. I like I'm still wrapping my brain around it that he's not the guy that 1:51:07 made Shawn and Hot Fuzz and Spaced anymore. He's gone on to do these big 1:51:13 departures and different swings. So, I don't know. Do you guys feel like that he's not the same director that you fell 1:51:20 in love with? Um, I just think he's growing as a director because a lot of those early 1:51:25 things are him imitating stuff that he liked and recreating stuff that he liked and now he's trying to 1:51:31 put his own stamp on it. So, again, like you, I'm I'm not really landing all for me, but at the same 1:51:37 time, it's not terrible. So, I want to see where he goes. So, yeah. Yeah. I just want to see him like hit a home 1:51:44 run the way that like Hot Fuzz was a [ __ ] home run. And that's really and 1:51:49 that was so referential and this is not it's not like the running man is 1:51:54 something that it that he pulled out of his soul and is like solely an Edgar 1:52:00 Wright developed thing the way Baby Driver was and was a miss. This was almost like um something that was had 1:52:08 success built into it and it just still wasn't good enough to me. So that that's 1:52:13 that's uh disappointing for me. Can I ask you guys a question? Obviously, Hot Fuzz is kind of like a 1:52:19 takeoff of on on action movie cliches. Do you think he was trying because I 1:52:25 tried to stay away from like like action movie cliches in this movie? Yeah, I feel like he was more into the 1:52:31 character-driven stuff than he was the action, right? Yeah. Mhm. I feel like maybe to maybe the his early 1:52:40 work versus the current stuff where the early work is like almost Family Guy like reference reference reference like 1:52:47 you're making reference you're referencing and the the the uh likability of it is the nostalgia and 1:52:54 the commonality and those references. Whereas to Tony's point, he's growing 1:53:00 obviously you're there source material that you're making a film around. So it's not it's a reference per se, you 1:53:08 know, like you're obviously you're going to strike a tone or whatever. But I think that all early stuff was just like 1:53:14 yeah reference and commonality and just like oh memberberries like the early stuff is like member berries and you can 1:53:20 get a lot of mileage off member berries, right? M um versus this that is just a vision of 1:53:27 a story, you know, that people may or you either know it or you don't. And and then, you know, if you don't, then maybe 1:53:34 you're if you're Mrs. Andy or uh Jenny Jingles, then you you liked it because it was at least a well done story. 1:53:41 Again, I thought it looked good. It it was well done. Some people like I didn't I didn't have a problem with the length 1:53:47 for 2K. Some people waiting for somebody 1:53:53 how long it how long the movie was. Um uh I I didn't 1:53:59 I didn't I wasn't sitting there going oh my god it's still going cuz I I think we've all said it in movies being like 1:54:05 Jesus Christ when's the [ __ ] thing going to end? I didn't feel that way in this movie. No, 1:54:10 I had to pee through the entire second half of the movie. So that was the entire like [ __ ] why' they get this large goddamn mountain? 1:54:16 This is the first movie in a while where I haven't had to get up and pee. I was actually shocked like ah 1:54:21 usually I go like once or twice. Yeah. What a great endorsement for the film. 1:54:29 I I like that cuz then I feel like I'm getting a director's cut when I see it like on streaming later. I'm like, "Oh, 1:54:34 this is the scene I didn't get when I was in the theater." You'll love it and your bladder will 1:54:40 love it, too. So, I'm curious, uh, Tony, have you seen Fistful of Fingers? 1:54:46 No, that's the one I haven't seen. That's the one I haven't seen. I have to hunt that down. Well, it's on YouTube. 1:54:52 Okay, I'll check that out. Yeah, check it out and check out the debut episode of this whole season where Andy and I went over that movie. And I 1:54:59 will say this, it's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. I had a great time. I would rather watch Fist Pole 1:55:04 Fingers again, I think, than than running. All right, I'm definitely going to have to check that out then. 1:55:11 That's great. Any uh final thought? 2K is the late joiner of the show. Is there anything that you wanted to that we 1:55:17 didn't talk about yet that you wanted to bring up? I'm sure you brought it up. I It's as far as like favorite part of the movie. The the Michael Sarah's house. The the 1:55:23 the the Home Alone Michael Sarah house. That was to me the most enjoyable part of the movie other than the screaming 1:55:29 mom. Um Oh, I loved her. She was like one of my favorites. 1:55:34 Made me laugh. What a backhander. And the thing is I I thought I I 1:55:41 actually gofod during was after he takes out that first group of police officers and they bring out the bunch of kids 1:55:46 with candles. I laughed out loud in the theater. People looked at me like I was a 1:55:52 heartless bastard. So yeah, like I think there are several 1:55:59 movies that I that are based on books are are re um are not sequels um remakes. Yeah. 1:56:04 And if they weren't called that, I would have enjoyed more. And this is probably one of those movies that if it wasn't a remake, I would have 1:56:10 just enjoyed it for what it was more. I was going to say the exact same thing. If this was called something other than 1:56:15 The Running Man, this probably would have been a lot more enjoyable. The fleeting dude. 1:56:20 Yeah. I I think the title is a little sexist for 2025. It should have been the person who moves quickly 1:56:28 from danger. And Ryan, any any finals to 1:56:36 Ryan Rebulan, any final thoughts? Well, yeah, and I'll give a quick plug of course to the network. So, check out 1:56:42 the Director's Chair Network. It's available where you can listen to audio and uh YouTube as well. So, just Google 1:56:47 the Director's Chair Network podcast to see where you can watch it. And uh Tony, you're my last invite. Oh, 1:56:53 I'm gonna you can say publicly no embarrass me in front of everybody, but I would like you 1:56:59 I I would like to invite you formally to cover the last film that Terrence Malik has done thus far called The Hidden 1:57:05 Life. Okay. Uh the only Terrence Malnik film I've seen was Thin Red Line. That was 1:57:11 him, right? Can't remember a thing in it. And The Tree of Life, which I didn't like at the time, 1:57:16 but maybe that was just early college Tony. Maybe adult sad Tony will like it more. Maybe. 1:57:22 Um, but yeah, I'll do it. I I'll check it out. Awesome. Is it Is it 10 hours long? Probably. 1:57:27 Awesome. Brain. Okay. It's three hours long. It's only three hours long. 1:57:32 Oh, good. Good. Get ready to pee. Now that you've agreed to that and uh 1:57:38 we'll keep you on the show, do you want to plug anything, Tony? Uh, yes. Hack the Movies. Uh, check it 1:57:44 out. Uh, what is this today? Sunday. Tomorrow we're putting out our review for Silent Hill Revelation 3D. Oh, 1:57:51 that's right. The second movie. Uh because you know the third movie is coming out. Um I think I'm doing a live 1:57:57 episode this week which is something different. Uh it's not really a review. It's uh me and Adam does movies. We're 1:58:04 going to have a guy come in with trivia. We're going to see if we can remember anything that happened in Stranger 1:58:09 Things before the fifth season airs. Uh cuz I've only ever seen each episode once as they aired. So I thought that'd 1:58:16 be fun. Metallico. Well, that was the thing. I was like, should I rewatch the show? I'm like, I 1:58:22 don't have [ __ ] time for that. I'm like, oh, we'll just do an episode where we try to remember what happened. I'm still pissed they killed Eddie. 1:58:29 I don't even know who Eddie is. This is going to be great. Storm played on Master. 1:58:34 I'm just waiting for the Indian girl to come back with the X-Men. I remember that. 1:58:41 Uh, but yeah, check. I'm sorry, Tony. I've pathetically been 1:58:46 uh telling myself that I'm going to get up before I have to go to work and and uh work out. And my uh motivation to do 1:58:54 that is re-watching Stranger Things while I work out. And I will admit here and now that over the last four weeks, 1:59:00 I've I'm on episode three. Working out's going really well, Andy. 1:59:06 Awesome. I can't deal with seven being hot in real life now. 1:59:12 Throwing me off. Yeah. Not to step on your plugs, Tony. Please finish. Uh but yeah, patreon.com/hacktothemov. 1:59:19 Uh even if you're at the free dollar, the free free dollar, the free tier. Uh you get the public uh podcast feed. 1:59:26 Better notifications than YouTube. Uh YouTube kind of sucks these days. They deleted my second channel for two hours 1:59:33 uh for spamming practices. Like what the [ __ ] I got it back right away, but I'm like, oh, apparently they're using AI 1:59:38 and it's not going well. They're just deleting a bunch of channels randomly. No [ __ ] So, Patreon, please. Each 1:59:44 podcast will have a link to where you can find the video version either on YouTube or Rumble, which Rumble sucks. 1:59:50 It's basically a glorified uh hard drive for me at this point. Uh, so yeah, Hacked Movies, wherever you find Hacked 1:59:56 Movies, I'll be there. Thank you so much. I'd like to plug real quick the Rochester IMAX as 2:00:03 Oh, good. Yes, please. And also all apologies podcast 2:00:10 and uh 2K. Are there any uh lifethreatening game shows you're going to be doing anytime soon? You have 2:00:16 something you'd like to plug other than people porn bombing multiple channels that I'm aware of. That's usually But other than that, these are 2:00:23 fantastic. I see you getting harassed in the chat as well, but it's always this is this is 2:00:29 the progression of me. I What is this? I hate this puppet. All right, I don't mind the puppet. Okay. I like the puppet. That's usually how it goes. 2:00:36 No, I hate it again. Yeah, exactly. Right to the beginning. But follow me uh at 2K puppet on X and 2:00:42 um my baby Movies with 2K uh every Sunday night on the cut of the jib uncensored on Rumble. Um we watch 2:00:48 movies, we goof on movies, people in the chat goof on movies, we have a good time. Um Echo Pineapple will be joining us next week for Popeye. We watching 2:00:54 Popeye. I'll be on very soon in December. We have something special cooked up over 2:01:00 there. So yeah, I got a cool idea for that. Uh yeah, follow 2K on X to see what's going 2:01:05 on over there. And uh yeah, thank you everybody for participating in this series and uh 2:01:12 supporting the show on YouTube and Instagram and Patreon. I uh can't thank you guys enough. And this has been a lot 2:01:19 of fun. I do think that I might figure out another director to cover because I had so much fun doing this one. So, 2:01:25 thanks Ryan for uh starting this kind of format and thanks Tony for kind of 2:01:31 pioneering the whole movie review podcasting thing. He's like one of the guys that I've been between you and 2:01:38 Kaye. It's just like don't don't put me in the same thing. I had the most watched episode. How many times do I have to repeat that on the 2:01:45 I'm sorry 2K. You did not have the most watched episode in this miniseries. I wait for you. 2:01:51 Happy to participate. At least this clearly is not number one. We can all be happy with that, 2:01:56 right? Yes. Yes. In our hearts. Yes. On the show now. 2:02:03 So for 2K and Ryan Rebulin and Tony from Hack the Movies and Joe Sixpack, I'm 2:02:09 Trucker Andy saying stay sorry.