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Halloween Month and a 1/2 episode 4: Werewolves (2024) · Citizen Frame

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Let's go over the rules. Wes, I remember the rules. You sure?
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Don't open the door for anyone. Don't make any noise. Don't draw attention.
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Don't hesitate for a second. I don't care who it is.
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Okay? Okay. All right. You call me if there's an emergency. If not,
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I'll reach out to you. We got this.
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All right everybody welcome back to another halloween month three quarters.
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And we peppered in another one here there's a fan pic from one of our listeners
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frank shout out to you frank thanks for reaching out and he mentioned a film
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called werewolves i happened to see this last year i saw it in the theater you
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saw this was in the theater that's got a theater release? I didn't.
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Universal Pictures. Right? Yeah.
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I was directed by Stephen C. Miller. Guy's talent. Let's kind of stand him.
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But he had some good stuff.
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A Silent Night was really good. If you like slasher films, watch Silent Night.
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It's brilliant. It's the first remake of Silent Night, Deadly Night.
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It wasn't really a remake. It was a subtle kind of remake, but not.
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Reimagining, as they call it. Yeah, I guess you can see it that way.
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And then Under the Bed, two good films he's done I really enjoy.
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But it's not about that. This film's not about direction.
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It's not about a terrible lot, to be honest. Well, this is about FX creature
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feature god, Alec Illus.
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We've talked to him plenty of times. We're talking Alien franchise, all of them.
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We're talking Tremors. We're talking Hollow Man. We're talking Starship Troopers. We're talking prey.
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This guy is FX God next to the men we've talked to before, Rob Bottin,
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Greg DiToro, and so forth and so forth. Savini.
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Now, Al Gilles did all the practical effects for this film.
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And all the werewolf suits and stuff. And that's how I wanted to see.
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Don't care. Don't give me a, I don't need a plot. Because, well,
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we do have one, but it's batshit crazy.
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What's this film about? Is it about vampires? You know, the title is sort of in your face. Yeah.
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So they want to do a practical, there's obviously some CGI with the transformations, which is fine.
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And actually it's quite good when they blend it together. but they wanted to
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do mostly practical and they tried to do that now,
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I enjoyed the film. I grew up, I love my creature features.
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The howling, anything Joe Dante touched. Joe Dante was prana, the howling, gremlins.
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You have, you know, I didn't like critters. A lot of people like critters.
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But in the 80s, you had a lot of creature features. Tremors were your creature features. Ghoulies.
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And yeah, ghoulies, ghoulies. We have to get to that. We've had that in a long time. Yeah.
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Ghoulies. There's like four of those fucking things. Yeah, I know.
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A creature retrospective. But there's a charm to those films.
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And I think people, fans of those films, have lost their way.
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And I don't think they really get what this film was doing.
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You know, we all grew up with it, especially my age group, grew up with movies
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like this. And we fucking loved it. Popcorn film.
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That's all it is. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Fucking hell, they're not. That's it. They're not. So anybody who's trying to
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find layers in this fucking film, fuck off.
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Go watch your fucking folk shit or your cult shit. I don't care.
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This is for creature feature fans. If you're not seeing the layers or you're
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peeling back what they're trying to do here, then this movie isn't for you.
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It's a B-movie schlock. It's just like Snakes on a Plane. It tells you on the
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title, you just say that Trevor What's this about?
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Well Werewolves But at the same time, you hit the nail on the head Just a couple
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of sentences earlier Where you said that those older ones Have a charm to them,
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And sadly This one is For me anyway And while I also appreciate What they're
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doing and what they're trying to do Especially with the practical stuff and
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all This does lack charm for me.
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Well, let's jump into it because we got to dive in this really complex plot.
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There's been a supermoon.
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Supermoon's coming. Yeah. I love it.
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I love the fact that you pretty much made this The Purge, but with werewolves
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and starring The Purge star, Frank Grillo. Yes.
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First, let's get our boy Frank out of the way. I love Frank Grillo.
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Underrated actor. You guys have to see a movie called Boss Level,
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him and Mel Gibson. It's Groundhog Day action film. It's wonderful.
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I don't know how he never got theater-esque release, boss level.
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Joe Carnahan did it. It's so batshit crazy and awesome action film.
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We're going to get to it, boss level.
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He's responsible for two of the Paris movies, the two best ones.
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He played Crossbones, was promised to be this huge villain because Crossbones
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is a big villain for Captain America. They killed him off.
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So he got fucked over by Marvel.
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And now he's with DC, so good on him. I like Frank Grillo. He's got that quality.
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He's kind of like Jason Statham. I was just about to say.
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Jason Statham. Oh, well, no, there's a difference. Jason Statham. I love you, Jason.
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You know how much I love Jason Statham. But Frank Grillo is kind of like the
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Jason Statham, but has a slightly more elevated...
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He's a little better in the acting. I don't think he's enough to do here.
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Well, I mean, it's fucking werewolves, you know what I mean? It's not Shakespeare.
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That's my point. Yeah, I don't think he's, in terms of being an action star,
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he's no Stallone or Arnie. Okay, that's my point.
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Give me some of his action films that he's done.
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Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, this one, I'm specifically referring to
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this one, which he set up as an action star here.
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But you get my point. Yeah. He's not an action star. That's not fair.
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Yeah. You can't judge him based on this. That's not fair. Well,
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he's doing an action star here.
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Yeah. I've seen his other films. I know what Frank Grohl gives.
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I'm fine with Frank Grohl's performance in this.
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But, you know, you can't judge a man's career if you haven't seen it.
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I'm not. I'm speaking specifically about this.
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All right. But you said not an action star. He's done action films. He's done it quite good.
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I gave him the Purge series, and Barslav was fucking amazing.
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God, he has to see Barslav. Underrated, Jim. Okay.
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I tell you, he can act. And actually, it's the best here. No, you're fine.
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You just said Frank Grillo's piece of shit. Real nice. Real classy move there, Trevor.
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Real classy. Not at all, Frank. I think he's all right, but he's no action star to me based on this.
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But anyway, I'll tell you someone who can act and who I've always liked,
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and he's basically the best person there. Let me guess, La Bamba.
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Yep, Lou Diamond. Well, La Bamba, yes, but he's more Chavez to me from the Youngblood's films.
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See, that's the problem. He's not good in this. He's not. He has a presence. He's quite bad.
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He doesn't. He does. And I'll tell you what, you're pissed off Frank Grillo
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who said he can't act and he's a piece of shit which I can't believe you said that.
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But Lou Diamond Phillips he's the worst thing in this and it's because you're
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so you're so clouded by 80s La Bamba that you're not seeing he has a presence yeah,
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and I like get me wrong I like Lou Diamond Phillips well not according to what
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you've just said there but not in this film he's terrible no no he is,
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don't get me wrong He's not up against much because everyone else You know all
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of the supporting cast Especially the two main female characters And that stupid
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kid Are basically cardboard cutouts,
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Lou Diamond Phillips, in the context of this film, whenever he's on the screen
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and it's not very long, it's basically an extended cameo, he is the best thing
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about it and the best thing about this film overall, I would say actually.
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No, no, no. Best thing in this thing is the Wolves. Period. Plus he's Gervais.
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The Wolves are... You need to get over it. You got a hard-on for young guys.
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You need to pull... Okay, you just gotta stop. You fucking just pull it out and wham.
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Anybody from Young Guns is on this podcast. You pull it out and you wham.
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You're just fucking, yeah. Chavez.
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Your mind is in the gutter because I don't even think like that.
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You know what I mean? It's obviously a reflection of yourself.
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And there's some sort of guilt on there for all of the Indiana Jones films and
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all of the rest that you whanked over.
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But anyway, But yes, I like Lou Diamond Phillips.
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I've always liked Lou Diamond Phillips. He was in one with Keith Sufferland
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called Renegades, I remember. Yeah, I saw that.
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I've always liked him. I think he's the only one here that has a presence. Sorry, Mr. Grillo.
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I'm sure you're a great guy and all the rest, but I think you're let down here.
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But we'll get to more of it later. As for the other actors in it, Frank Grillo's okay.
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I'll be honest. he is okay here but for me Lou Diamond is the best as for the
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other actors alright okay go ahead okay 20 minutes 20 minutes,
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yeah need your kleenex.
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All right here's the plot it's intense
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oh yeah so every once in a while this supermoon event happens and what it does
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is glare from the supermoon causes changes into the people's dna turning them
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to werewolves yep now another one's back the supermoon is back and now everyone's in lockdown,
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kind of like a purge style. Lock everything down, blah, blah, blah.
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At the same time, you can let me finish or are you just going to keep interrupting me? Go ahead.
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I can't wait to talk to Frank Grillo. So now, Wesley, played by Frank Grillo,
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and Doc, played by Lou Don Phillips, who you said is the greatest actor of all time.
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Better than most? Have a serum that will if this happens again,
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won't cause people to change.
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And it's called Moonsheen. Is it Moonsheen or Moonscream?
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I was a bit confused. No, it's Moonscream.
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Like Moonscream? Right, right, right.
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Okay. Come on, man. Put it together. I thought it was like Moonscream as in,
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you know, scream at the moon type thing.
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That doesn't make any sense. Why would they call that? Because it warms at the moon.
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It hurls at the moon. It screams at the moon. You know?
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That's fucking... You would be a fucking horrible marketing executive.
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If I had to let me write it, I'd write it a lot better. Well,
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I had Moon Screen for the start.
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So, they have all these test subjects.
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And so all these test subjects are going to, they're all, they're all volunteers.
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These are good things, by the way. Three of them didn't want to be there, I guess.
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I do love them once. So we're going ahead of ourselves.
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We got Wesley, Amy, Doc, Cody, Lucy, Amy, Reagan, Evan, Miles.
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Okay. There's your, there's your, your, your cast of nobody besides Wesley.
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And we find out that Wesley's brother was killed. He was a firefighter. Yes.
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And he's kind of looking over Lucy and Emma. and he boards up their house and
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he says, I got to go and we got to try out this, you know, moon screen crap.
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And that's the whole point of him. Yeah. His whole thing is he needs to get
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back to their house to save them.
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And then there's a story. That's all it is, guys. You don't need any.
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You don't need any. That's it. There's no subplot.
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And don't even say that's it because the shit you listen, you watch and you
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get past it too because it's so bad, it's good.
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Fuck off. this no I
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just wanted werewolves eating stuff and killing people and creepy werewolves
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and we got that but it's all about the delivery and the charm and it is lacking
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here I would say don't use my word don't use my word no I'm fine I said charm
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you don't own the word yeah it is my word I use whatever word I want it's my word TM TM.
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TM right right,
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anyway I'm going to be fair here like I always am and I'm going to say no you're
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not I did like the scenes where they had, like, the ones who they were basically
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experimenting on with the moon screen.
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And I thought those scenes worked well, and they do set it up well.
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The problem is, the rest of it turns into a nothing burger, where it's just...
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There's some good ideas throughout this.
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I mean, I like the beneath-the-planet-of-the-apes type cult who were sort of
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living underground, you know, in that supermarket-y thing, but it's not explored.
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There's good ideas here, but they aren't explored.
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You know, you said the exact same thing about House by the Cemetery.
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The exact same review, but that gets passed.
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Well, with House by the Cemetery, it has so much more... Let me finish.
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What? It has so much more artistic merit.
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What does it? What artistic merit? Of course it does.
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What's the artistic merit? Give me the artistic merit in House by the Cemetery.
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Well, the flipping ideas on display. The look, the aesthetic.
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And the sheer over-the-top sort of craziness of it.
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Of course it does, 100%. This is just too bland.
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Put it like this here. See, in 40 years' time, do you think people are going
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to be still talking about and remembering werewolves, whereas they still are
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with Fussie's films? Yep.
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Right you know yeah i'm struggling
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you'll be in your wheelchair right you'll be
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in your wheelchair rolling yourself somewhere
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and you'll go past future
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shop and and there'll
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be like the 20th anniversary war werewolves
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and there'll be the eyes of people waiting to get in
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and then there'll be there'll be the heist house by
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the cemetery you'll be the only one wheeling in and you
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couldn't get it because they won't have a rap for you so there you
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go what shit are
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you talking about anyway okay listen
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listen in my future wheelchair i'm gonna have like some sort of rockets on it
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and i'm gonna blow the shit out of you standing in line watching werewolf waiting
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for the 20th anniversary screening of werewolves i'm gonna shoot the shit out
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of you like i don't know some sort of cheesy early 90s action film so what you're
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saying here is i make a joke you know,
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humorous or not you turn it into killing a bunch of people.
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In a line waiting to go to see a movie yeah because it's a shit movie so that's
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how much that's how much I feel about it you know,
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shit yeah and then I'll just wheel myself off and watch House Bender Cemetery,
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with Bob yeah but you can't get in House Bender Cemetery has Bob,
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this alright it has Lou Diamond Phillips but apart from that it has no one else,
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Wow.
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So it's,
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I do love when Amy's husband, he's in the car, she's one of the doctors,
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and Miles, her husband turns to her and goes, you need to keep in mind,
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I volunteered to do this.
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He volunteered to test this shit and become a wolf. Yeah.
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And he kisses his wife goodbye. I mean, it's like, really?
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I mean, what the fuck? It was just, It was a powerful moment.
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A tip between the Dr. Amy and Miles, her husband, who's going to go be a werewolf. Tell me this.
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Does the supermoon affect everyone or does it, because it's sort of,
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at the start, they're sort of saying,
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you know, with the whole sort of, you know, the text that comes up on the screen,
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it sort of says that it only affected a certain amount of the population.
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It only depends on the people's DNA that it affects. Right. But the people who
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they don't know who it doesn't affect.
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So those people are still going to stay indoors because they don't want to take a chance.
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Yeah. And obviously there are wolves on the rampage as well.
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So they don't want murdered either.
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But, but later. That's why they, that's why they have to lock up.
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Because the wolves are coming. But later on. Yeah. I know that.
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But later on, it sort of suggested that it affects basically anyone that sees a super moon.
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Or is it because this is a different super moon, which is even more powerful? I don't know.
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Enlighten me. I don't know. No, I don't know. I think you're reading Beyond the Supermoon thing.
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It's a subtext. I'm trying to get to the subtext of War Wounds,
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you know? If you... You know what?
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That's your problem. And maybe that's Frank's. Sorry, Frank.
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I'm calling out a listener. Oh, dear.
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He's a nasty piece of work, especially this morning when he hasn't had his coffee,
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or his wank over at Indiana Jones.
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I love how you twist my words and you're making a joke on something I already
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made against you. You can't flip it.
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It doesn't make any sense. Well, I found it funny, so whatever.
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Jesus. Oh, my God. Anyway.
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I want to watch Werewolves again. I know what you think. So,
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yeah. So, all the test subjects, they think it's working because they're not getting moonbeamed.
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And they think it's working. But yet, no, it ends up, there's just a delay.
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And they end up turning to Werewolves. Cool. Actually, cool transformation scene.
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Again, these scenes are good.
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I do, and then we see our boy, Lou Diamond, turn into one. The bomber turns into it. Yes.
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And the chaos, they break out and chaos ensues.
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And I do like some of the creepiness. There's a nice shot where you cut to a
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neighbor girl, and she's in the kitchen by herself.
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She's looking for her mom, and she's going back and forth from the house.
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One long shot, and she stops. and in the kitchen, in the blur,
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there's one of those big walls standing there.
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It's a nice scene. She actually comes back into the film.
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It's a gun-toting neighbor who's turned into one, isn't it?
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You know, Cody ends up turning into one, too. Yeah. That's actually a nice shot
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where the werewolves want to get in, and so they take a fridge because he's
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got this compound in front of his fucking yard, and they take the fridge and
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throw it through his house.
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Yeah. Not to eat them, but to turn them. It's kind of clever.
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And it's a nice shot when they throw the fridge. It's slow motion. He flies backwards.
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It's done slow-mo. It's a nice little shot, actually. And then he looks up,
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he sees the moon, and he turns.
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And he knew right away gung-ho nut job was going to be bad wolf guy yeah of
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course obviously he's the main human villain for want of a better word yeah,
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but there's something when they're when they're taking over the lab and,
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there's some nice shots with the wolves full body and the one thing I do like
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about it it doesn't cheat you see the wolves you see the wolves the entire film
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it's not like oh is that really a wolf whose head hiding in the background no
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it's a wolf so they show you the full on suits and everything.
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The wolves do look well They're not as good as Say maybe the likes of an American
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werewolf In London or dog soldiers But they do look well I would have preferred
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there is a bit of CGI And I didn't like the CGI,
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Whenever they used it so I would have preferred them Just to have stuck to practical
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But at the same time They don't use CGI in the wolves The only time they use
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CGI is when they're turning,
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Well they couldn't afford to be transformed Yes that's why I'm saying I get it,
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Oh, okay. So why judge it? Because we're here to critique a film.
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Between your hatred for Frank Grillo.
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And now this. Frank, buddy. Frank Grillo. Because there's two Franks here.
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There's Frank, the listener, and there's... I love both Franks.
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So, yeah. I like the whole lab scene. They play a lot with, you know...
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They have a lot of fog machines. Yeah.
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Just conveniently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and they do that so the wolves come out,
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which I kind of like. I think it's kind of neat when you see the wolves coming
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through the fog and steam, whatever the fuck it is, and the blood is coming off.
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There's one where one werewolf bites the guy's face off. Yeah. That was good.
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But I do like the fact that what it's missing is, and I'll be honest with you, I'm more just laughing.
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I'm having a good time with it. I enjoy, I like werewolves.
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So I get why people aren't going to be a fan of it. what it's missing is tension and that's the big.
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I'm sticking up for it because I think it gets bullied I don't like films that
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get bullied that have talent like Frank Grillo in it and Alec Gillis who's a
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genius as I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast,
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and so I'm not going to insult the man's work because of what he's given us
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he's an Academy Award winning filmmaker I have nothing against him yeah you
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did you just peed all over him and anyways.
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So that's why I'm sticking up for it guys yeah it's not it's a sci-fi movie
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the upgrade is what it is.
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But I'll tell you what, it is missing the tension.
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Because what they try to do, and this is the director's fault,
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the whole concept of the film is we cut to Frank Grillo and Amy, his sidekick,
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as they're trying to get back to the house that he left his niece at.
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Yeah, so he's got to get a point A to point B. Simple enough, right?
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But what they do, as he's being attacked by wolves in the city,
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they're being attacked by the wolves in the house you cut back and forth cut back and forth,
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You're supposed to build tension that way. It does fall flat there.
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I would also add to that, a werewolf film that does this 300 times better and
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not to disrespect this film, I'm trying my best to give it praise.
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Is The Descent does that 3,000 more times better.
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And they're in the same cabin, but all you do is cut from one room to another, but it builds tension.
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You're like, fuck it, hell. They're only three feet apart, but you're still being built.
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The Descent does it really well. Neil Marshall. to do this better. Yeah, yep.
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But that's the director's fault.
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And that's why I'm not a big fan of Stephen Miller. And he does do a bad disservice,
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but by not giving us that test in between the scenes. I agree. However...
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The action and the blood and the gore, I'm going with it.
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And that's what I'm taking it with me. I'm taking it as a stupid creature feature
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and just having a good time with it.
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Well, what I would, to the lack
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of tension, is also the complete lack of personality of the characters.
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There is no real relatable or sympathetic characters, including the Frank Rillo
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character, although he's probably the best of the bunch.
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But you just can't relate in any way to these characters because they're one-dimensional.
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And so i did not for a single
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moment give a single shit about you know
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the sister-in-law and the niche
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at home in fact that was on the side of the werewolves but again
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the performances of by the most actresses are basically
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one-dimensional as well and like
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i said they're cardboard cutouts so i get that
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it's a werewolf creature feature but you
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want to have some sort of character that you can
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relate to and has a bit of personality we just
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don't get that here at all you know even
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the new diamond phillips character who's only in it briefly while i like lou
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diamond as was stated and he has an excellent presence he's basically just werewolf
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fodder essentially you know it's a glorified cameo but yeah the lack of tension
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is another thing and you know even the action sequences are
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a bit too rushed and they try and throw in like cool one liners you know like
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bite me you know later on but again it's all about the delivery and that boils down to the director,
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there's some good ideas here like I say but it's down to the overall delivery
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which falls flat and just becomes a bit boring there's no real charm there's
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a couple good shots I like where.
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Lucy wants to help Regan, and Regan ends up getting eaten.
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And what the wolves do is that they take her body, and she's still alive,
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and they throw her against the electric fence. Yeah.
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They try to get through this electric fence. Those kind of things I like.
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There's a scene at the supermarket where they see a young girl who's turned.
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And they don't know how to handle that because it's obviously a young girl.
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And so those now a scene
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like that would have played better in dawn of the dead i think does it it would
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be better because because it's ramera yes yes but they but they try they but
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they do try to do elements of that like putting children in in peril like what
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happens to the reagan character,
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because lucy can't open the door for her because that's one of the roles and
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so she ends up getting eaten and thrown into electric fans.
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I do. I think that's good stuff. I see that. I'm seeing more than what other people are seeing.
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They probably just don't care at this point, which is fine. To each their own.
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What I'm going to say to these scenes, because I do think these scenes are decent,
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and I do think they're warranted.
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I love the Gatlin gun scene, where you got these fucking commandos who are trying
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to kill everything that moves, and the wolves take them out,
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and then they have to fight the walls and they have,
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and there's a scene that's pretty terrible where Amy has to.
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What is it? Amy is going to, I'm going to, I'm going to be their decoy.
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Yeah, she, she ends up getting, and I'm going to grab a Gatlin gun.
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Well, I'm like, just kill her. Cause this is stupid. Who would,
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well, see that again, that, that street gang, that was another one of the ideas
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I liked, but again, it's not fully explored.
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They're not in it long enough, but don't really get to know those characters.
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So it was an idea that should have been explored more even have them as like,
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like main supporting characters or whatever here's another
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thing but see with a werewolf film or a
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zombie film or the like whenever a main
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character has to go through a change
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to turn into the monster there has to be a certain sympathy
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it has to be a certain tragic element to
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it but we don't i know to sort of try and do it
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with frank grillo whenever he turns but we just don't
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have that we're not emotionally and i know which werewolves but
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we're not emotionally invested in the character i mean
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you have it and dawn of the dead whenever people turn
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you know there's that certain sympathy jeff goldblum and
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the remake of the fly you know and america david and american warwolf in london
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there's that tragedy and that sympathy there's absolutely zero of it here yeah
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but you're not going to get that here i mean i said that the title alone it's
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a snakes on a plane but with wolves yeah it's it's not trying to reinvent the
27:46
wheel they're not trying to be that.
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They're just trying to do dumb creature feature i guarantee that's all they
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wanted to make I think you're comparing apples to oranges.
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But anyways, yeah, I mean, with the character development or something like this.
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Yeah, there's not much to it. There's really nothing to it. Yeah.
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It's really about watching werewolves eat people. That's all it is.
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One of the big flaws I have, if you've got Alex Grillo and his team behind all
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this, if you're not going to build us character tension or give us a script.
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Exactly. A part of story. At least give us more gore.
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And even if it's just a lot more blood and carnage. We get a lot of carnage,
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but we don't see a lot of it.
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You got some really fun stuff like when he turns into a wolf,
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which there's copying 30 days of night at this point.
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But when they do that, there's a great scene where Cody's this badass werewolf.
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He's supposedly this badass as a human, but Frank Griller just rips his head
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off. That was a good scene.
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And then she, obviously she can't suit him because it's, you know, I can't suit you.
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I don't get it. So she takes the last bullet and she shoots a hole in the ceiling,
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which I like the idea, to show that the sun's out.
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Yes. And so he turns back at the last second.
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Yeah. But why is he had pants on all of a sudden? Yes. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's basically because essentially, because I was looking out for him. Was he Warren?
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Was he Warren? Oh, you were looking out for him? Oh, I see what you're saying.
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I was saying, was he really Warren jeans? Was he like the Incredible Hulk? You know?
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Warren jeans? you know whatever he like turns
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into a wolf but i'm talking about the 1970s incredible hulk by the way the tv
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show but yes i think because it would have been inappropriate in front of his
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niece to be standing there butt naked so far enough but yes it is an error but
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here it's the fucking least of this film's problems trust me,
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nah nah I disagree right well
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again it lacks charm it lacks basically everything apart
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from you know some good ideas like I say to be
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fair that aren't explored and the special
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effects the practical special effects are well done
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too but apart from that yeah well
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you have Lou Diamond Phillips as well so you know that's always a big thumbs
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up but apart from all of that yeah it's just
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it's a nothing burger you know
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it's bland and zero charm guys keep in mind this is the man who gave a pass
30:26
to return to salem's lot and stop what my mom will shoot he literally says it
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on this podcast he likes shit he likes films that have no direction blah blah
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not a comic and all and artistic.
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He no there's no you do not like artistic merit you even said it if it's stupid and bad you like it.
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It puts a smile on my face. That's what you always say.
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But anyways, I'm going to go. I'm giving it a pass. No, I'm not giving it a
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major pass. I'm not a fucking idiot.
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Okay? Yes, you are. There's a lot better werewolf movies out there.
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I know what I'm going to see. I know what I'm paying to see.
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I'm paying to see Alec Gillis and his work. And he pays. And that's what I got.
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I didn't care about anything else. And I like Frank Grillo, no matter what.
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So, you give me those two things, I'm happy. It's got some very clever moments
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with the werewolves trying to get into the house and how they tear down the
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telephone pole or try to take off the electricity, throw in the dead body into the electric fence.
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De-electralize, whatever they do.
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I like the experimental scene. It's got a lot more going for it than the negative.
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If you're looking for a fucking plot or anything like that, then no, it's not your film.
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You can sit there and laugh all you want. You love this shit,
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but for some reason, you won't give this a pass.
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It makes no sense. Your logic in film, I'm so tired of you using that as a scapegoat.
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So let me, guys, it is what it is. It's creature feature.
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It's not going to hold up to the candle to the window, the movies we have mentioned.
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Of course not. It's not trying to do that.
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But we're tired of the fucking CGI world we live in, where everything's fucking green screen.
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This is big guys in suits running after people.
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I don't like the director. Yeah, it shows here. The tension's not there. I understand that.
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I'm not saying it's an Oscar winner by any means.
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But come on don't we miss people in
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will of costumes eating people so come on
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it's an hour and a half fucking Saturday matinee
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turn it on the TV and you then
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rewatch it what I just said and then you go okay maybe it's not the train wreck
32:31
it's not great but it's not the train wreck people saying it is I certainly
32:36
don't hate this filming why would it I just came away from it with nothing so
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if it works for you good on you and, yeah, each to their own.
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But I just came away with it with nothing, really.
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But, well, apart from Lou Diamond Phillips, of course. But there you go.
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We know how you feel about Lou. Oh, yeah.
32:57
Oh, the bamba. Chavez! Chavez, man! You know? Young Guns.
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Oh, boy. I can't wait till Young Guns 3 comes out. You're going to be the first one in line.
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In my machine gun wheelchair. because it's taken that long to come out.
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It's so childish. It's so childish. So what?
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I'm a consummate professional. I'm right. You know, a consummate professional
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who accuses his charming co-host of wanking over films.
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Honor! It wasn't even private. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, so professional. But then again, professionalism is not an option.
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So, uh, I said, Frank, thanks, buddy.
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I know you comment a lot in our posts and stuff and we do appreciate your support.
33:54
You've been there since day one. So we certainly don't mind doing this film
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for you. We know you're not a fan of it, but that's because you have no taste, just like Trevor.
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Well, all right, guys, we're going to wrap this one up. Thanks for joining us.
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Next up, we're going to do.
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Barbarian? Our boy. We're going to do Barbarian and weapons.
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Double feature for our new boy, Zach Krieger's. Zach Krieger's name is?
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Yeah, Zach Krieger. Krieger.
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And so look forward to those. And then we've got, like I said,
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Long Walk Home, Stephen King's.
34:26
And then we got, we're trying to see what's going on with Frankenstein.
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This new one coming out, it's coming out November 13th. So we might get to it
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after snowing it. We can call it a Christmas movie.
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We don't know yet. But we're definitely going to end with Diozento Suspiria.
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But that's all we've got. Thanks again. Give us a shout at Citizenframe underscore
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podcast on Instagram and of course Facebook.
34:53
That's all I've got. Anything you need to add? I'm a way to put on some moon
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screen. So apart from that, all good.
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Yeah, I bet you can put it on moon screen and then a little young guns at the same time. Sick fuck.
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I love young guns. I had young guns too. I bet you do. I can't wait for young
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guns three. I bet you can. Yeah.
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All right, we're out of here. Take care of yourselves.