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1, 2, 3...HERE I COME! · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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This is a Bramble Jam podcast. This week on your gabble gabble. Can
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you have a baby if you have a viseeconomy science? Would judgments follow us
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find out? And if you stage dive and hits something in ahead and they
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have a stroke, are you gonna dive into a pool full of guilty?
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Personal entry Gino tells us real people cases suggest as this is your gabble gable,
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Oh, cal how you do y? Hey? It's gavel Dan.
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How you doing? Pow man? I'm always better in the chambers, you
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know what I mean. I didn't even get to hear what you said.
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Tried to say and judge matthis tell us, yeah, yeah, that's my
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case is a paternity case. Who knew? I didn't. The title on
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YouTube was something like lied about having a vaseectomy. I'm like, man,
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I am in for this. Just a paternity case, pretty straightforward. Okay,
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well that sounds that sounds fun. I got a real doozy and lied
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about having of a secondom. You might think that that gives away the ending,
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you know, so there's that we'll find out. Well, now you
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have you you peaked my entry. I'd like to hear it. How do
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you spell peaked in that sentence p E wrong? Shoot, p i q
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u e D I would have that would have been fifth, sixth, seventh,
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guest, maybe I guess you're lying, you're kidding yourself. I would
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have eventually gotten to what is it, p i i q u e D.
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I would eventually have gotten to p i q really picked five? Five
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might be p i q u e. Yeah, that's peak peaked ye.
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So any other use aside from like peaked my interests or That's the main one.
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Why is why is there a special spelling of that? Why is it
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not just like a Hey, you're peaked? P E A K could mean
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this or that like in many other words. Well, the other problem is
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is that the word peak, where does it come from? What's the language
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of origin? Peaked is to peak something is to stimulate it your interest or
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curiosity. It also can mean to feel irritated or resentful, which is probably
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what happens when people tell you how to spell peak. Well, I wonder
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what the word is derived from, because I imagine that influences to spelling.
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I bet it does. This is good stuff from the listen. Since I've
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peaked your interesting, I am a bad speller, but I do thoroughly enjoy
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the spelling peak. That's good, well good, I'm glad. I'm happy
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because I do find that fascinating. But I'll never take that knowledge and do
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anything with it. Go ahead, now, okay, Judge math We've got
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Judge mass on the docket, and let me introduce you to Jared Sullivan is
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petitioning the court for a paternity test. Uh from the I guess the defendant
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on a O N N A frozen on a no different Anna claims of Aaron.
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I'm sorry, so really quick. So he is taking her to court
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to force her to get a paternity trust. She don't want to do it,
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and so he decided the best route to do this is judge Judge Mathis.
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Yes, And for the life of me, I didn't know he did.
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Like does he film the same lot as Mathis? Does not play the
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You would think matthis would love the the tests showed that that was a lie.
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He doesn't. He has the bailiff hand the results to the father or
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the not father, and all you get is the father or not father's reaction.
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I don't hate that. He just he looks at it. He goes
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okay and he has his hand that to him. Wow, that is what
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he does. Fascinating. Okay, so Jared spelled j E r A d
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E Girard. Jared, I Knowed. Yeah, I met Anna. Actually,
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I've been knowing her for a long time and I'm familiar with her,
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and our families went to church together. That is a very interesting way to
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say that you are remote, remote, romantically involved. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, for sure. Uh in August seventeen, August, I've known biblical
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sin right, Literally, they went to church together. It was biblical.
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Uh. August twenty seventeen, he says, we got intimate with each other.
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Yeah, and two hours after that, she already started saying she's pregnant.
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Now, two two hours after that, she already started saying she's pregnant.
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That is a fantastic line. Now, as you can imagine, Judge
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Mathis has faces. He gives you one of these and he starts blinking,
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like mouth close, kind of wins and blinking, classic Mathi's face. Anna
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is like, that's not true, your honor, that's not true at all.
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And matthis was like, so she says this two hours afterwards, what'd
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you say? And then Jared gives a reference to the movie Menace to Society.
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There's a character in there. He's like, I thought I was this
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guy from Menace to Society, and I just thought it was just crazy.
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And he said, but Anna, like two three months later, she was
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still saying I'm pregnant. Turns out she was. She has the baby,
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and I've been in Anna's life. I've been in my son's life since then.
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And so this is twenty twenty one where it's happening. This is new,
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new case. So how old is a kid in this Well, I
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think he's Maybe it's not twenty twenty. They didn't say that, but they
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intimated the fact that this is COVID, that people are spread out, so
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it's at least twenty twenty, right, he said, I've been in his
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life ever since. I'm a hands on parent. I want to see my
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kids every day, my son or daughter's life to be, even if it's
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for a few hours, even if we're divorced or whatever. I want to
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see my kids every day. I went to every appointment while Anna was pregnant.
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I went to every appointment after she had the baby. The drama comes
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when we get to arguing. Whenever we start start arguing. She immediately gets
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mad at me and tells me I'm not the father. We start arguing and
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she says that that you're not the father anyway. So at this point Mathis
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gets very serious. He doesn't say anything, but the tenor changes. It
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changes from happy, I've got a tight five on minister society Mathis into a
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very serious Mathis And you're like, oh, what's going on with Judge Mathis,
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Well, we'll find out here in a second. So he continues on.
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Anna tells me I'm not the father whenever she gets mad at me.
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And then she has another male friend and they're like drinking buddies. But we've
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gotten into it a couple of times about him, and I've asked her to
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stop seeing him and she won't do it. And are they married? They're
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not married. But I've never been married, never been married. No,
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but together or were together? I guess at some point she he said one
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time she got so drunk she left her phone in his car, and he
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called me from her phone and said, this might be I don't know what
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that means, but it sounds serious. This might bee, and my bad,
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this she is my bee. Oh that's not it's not great, and
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math has said he said that to you, huh. And and this guy
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Jared says yeah. And then I told her about it, and that made
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me feel a certain type of way, like if she can't let this guy
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go, then why am I sticking around? She keeps telling me I'm not
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the father. She's hanging out with this guy. They live, I think
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at one point they did, but they don't anymore. And so finally I
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gave her an ultimatum. I said, hey, you stop hanging out with
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this guy or I'm out of here. And she told me there's the door,
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get out of here. And I was I was crushed by that,
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and I left willingly. I wasn't gonna fight about it. I left,
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but I want to know if this is my son, because even if it's
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not, if we're not gonna stay together, even if my son, I
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am going to deal with whatever I have to deal with from her to be
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involved with my son. That's what he says. So, but this is
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tough. It's tough either way. It's it's hard. I understand what he's
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doing here, but you've also invested four years into a kid's life, as
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if you already are so either like, if he's not the soone, what
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is he gonna do? Just be like, I'm donzoh, you're not my
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kid. My math is bad. August seventeen, the August twenty seventeen,
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they got intimate with each other. So that means the kid was probably more
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in May of eighteen, And if this takes place in twenty the kid could
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be under two. So okay, still time, still time, like but
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not, it's not necessarily the devastating that's right here, So let's go to
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honor honor. It's like, look, Jared has four kids, one by
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me, three by another woman. He thinks that none of them are his.
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He does this after every time the girl he's with has a kid,
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he thinks that the baby isn't his. That is what he does. He
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has a kid that's twenty two years old, already twenty two years old.
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When I told him I was pregnant, he immediately said that baby can't be
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mine. I had of a sect to me, there's no way the baby
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is mine. Interesting, Yeah, so Mathis doesn't care about the sect.
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We don't even get to the bottom. We do get to the bottom of
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that, we'll get there in a second. But Mathis hasn't heard anything that
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was said. After Anna would tell Jared that the kid is not his every
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time that she's mad at him, He looks at her. He lets her
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do all that, and then he says, have you ever told him that
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the baby wasn't his? And she said, after the fact that we had
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the baby, we got in an argument and I did do it once,
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and that is all Mathis needs to hear. My man is upset. Why
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would you do that you know it's his baby. If you do know it's
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his baby, you put your baby in play like that. That's horrible for
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a mother to do that to her child. Suppose he walked away after you
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said it and never spoke to you again. Your child would never have a
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father because you want to make him angry. That is not okay, it's
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not all right. You don't play like that. That's not what you do.
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It seems yeah, a personal, Yes, clearly it is personal.
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Jared starts to pipe up and say your honor, and Matthews says, please
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talk, young man, because I am troubled and I don't, and then
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he proceeds to rant further against this woman who's like, why would you ever
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if you know, this is this guy's child. Why would you ever try
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to get a father out of the life of his child. Like he is
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upset, he's firing on all Mathe's cylinders. So but mathis never even acknowledges
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the fact that she said that. He says that the baby's nothing. That's
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right. He doesn't care because that happens when she said he was pregnant.
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She was pregnant, but before the child was in the world. Since the
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child's been in the world, by all accounts, including hers, he's been
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around. He's been present, he's gone to the things. The only thing
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he doesn't do, according to Anna, is take care of them financially.
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That's the one thing he doesn't do. But since they've agreed the baby's theirs
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and they never were married, he doesn't. There's no child support in that
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sense because he's still actively parenting with the kid the way I understand it.
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So he finally gets back and he says, uh uh, okay, did
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you actually say that you had Did you say you had a sect me and
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did you get one? And Jared's like, yes, I said it,
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but I said it just to test her to see if she'd keep insisting the
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child was mine. Because if I say I got a vasectomy and then she
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says never mind, then I know she's lying. That is a interesting plays.
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It's bold. It's a bold move, Jay Rod, It's a bold
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move, bro. It just is. He said, do you suspect she's
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been with other men? He says yes. Anna said, Look that other
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guy's just my friend. He asked me to in the friendship. I feel
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like I don't have to do that because Jared's insecure. Jared said, look,
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I have three other kids, and then he proceeds to brag on his
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kids. He's twenty two year old, is x y Z doing all these
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great things. My high school kid's about to graduate with honors. She's sixteen.
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Blah blah blah. I've made mistakes in my past. I want to
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be present for my kids. I'll throw myself under the bus. If it
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gives my kids a leg up, I will be present. I will be
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there. If this kid's mine, you can bet I'll see him every day.
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It's a very impassioned speech, a very impressive speech for a guy that
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lied about of a sectomy. It doesn't come off phony. It really comes
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off like he means it and matth But what is she doing to learn all
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this because her she seems to she's just smiling. She's just over there smiling.
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But she says that this guy's never like this guy always does this whole
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is not my mayby thing, So which one is it? It seems very
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odd to constantly we don't question bottom of that interesting we don't. But Mathis
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then says, well, if that's really who you are, then that's your
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biggest, biggest accomplishment. Goes nuts. Yeah, and then he says,
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I hope you are the father because if you are the father, then this
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kid's gonna If you who are who you say you are, this kid's gonna
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have a great dad growing up. And then he asked the bailips to baillops.
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Oh, bail ballops, he ballops, get over, he ballops bailiff
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to hand him the results, and he's ready to rule. So he's just
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ruling. He just killing them. If Jared's the father or not. No
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money is exchanging hands. It's wild out there. I mean, it doesn't
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seem as if. It doesn't seem like she's out there being promiscuous like it,
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there's no like questioning her character. I think, well, there's this
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guy who says that she's his b Yeah. Sure, sure, but I
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mean that guy, that guy. Yeah, I don't know. It seems
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like as if it seems like it's his baby. It seems like it's this
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kid. Judge Mathis in what I can only describe is a scene out of
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a like inspirational sports movie. It's the only way I can describe what happens
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here. I've never seen it out of Mathis, of anybody. He reads
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the results, he goes, okay, why don't you hand those to him?
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He hands them the results. As he's going over the results, Mathis
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has left the bench and starts walking to exit the chambers. In the background,
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the guy sees the results, he smiles a big smile and he goes,
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it's my baby. And then we look over at Judge Mathis. He's
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at the door. He points the gabble back at him. He goes,
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yeah, and he walks out. And that's the episode. It is wild.
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It is just it's like full chills. It's like this crazy like you
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do your work, man, you go and be a father. It is
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the wildest thing. I didn't see it coming. I wasn't prepared. It
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was something he is the father. That was the short version of that answer.
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That is a fascinating case with real no implication real not no real with
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with with real note with no real implications. Yeah, none except now he
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knows, except now he knows. No, no, no, no,
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Well what we lacked in money in that first case we we get with there's
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a bailypse. Don't worry, Judge Gino. For those of you that are
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new here, a personal injury court has no limits. It seems like,
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what do you think the limit is on personal injury court for money? Dan
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Uh? I thought it was a mill is a half mill, and then
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a mill like a half meal for losses, and then a mill total.
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I thought, so no, Uh, we got a couple of people here.
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Matthew Larsen is uh suing Peggy Clarkson and a singer named epic Star yep
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Classic. Matthew is suing for two point four million in medical holy cash,
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one hundred k in future medical okay, in two point five million in pain
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and suffer for five million total. Just isn't any way that Gino's letting him
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walk out of the courtroom with five million dollars. There's just no way.
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So Matthew Larson is a professional gamer. Oh boy, here we go.
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It's not really important to this story. It is a tiny bit, but
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not really. He plays competitively, He does streaming and whatnot, the twitch
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classic twitch situation. He has a girlfriend, believe it or not, and
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they're coming up on their two year anniverse. I know he want to do
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something real special now. Matthew and his girlfriend both love an artist named Epic
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Star. As you would now, he has seen Epic Star many, many,
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many times, ten plus times, but never with his girlfriend. So
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now is the time, two year anniversary, We're going to go find Epic
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Stars see Epic Star live. It's going to be epic Epic Classic. So
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Peggy Clarkson is the own of this music venue that brings Epic Star into do
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a show, and Peggy's excited about this. Epic Star's good a big can
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you look up? Is this a real artist? I'm doing it right now,
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Epic Star. It's gonna be a good draw from what I understand.
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Now, Matthew and his girlfriend they get the tickets and they get there early
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so they can enjoy the show close up. Of course. Yeah, you
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gotta get good seats for Epic Star, I mean and sit in the nose
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bleeds. Do you kidding me? Now, it's important to know that every
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show ends with what's called the epic dive, which is Epic Star stage diving
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into the crowd and they they the crowd brings her all the way around and
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then she ends up back at the stage and that's how every show ends.
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There's just nothing like that says that this is a real thing. Okay,
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well there's epic Star is a Facebook account, but it's there's another name in
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parenthesis. I don't know what to tell you, man. This is a
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thing uh so uh known as the epic dive stage dive. The crowd loves
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it and they bring her all the way around. She goes up and down
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the crowd. It's this whole thing. No, that's not a star.
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No, it's not Epic Star. Jamar oh oh oh, it's e p
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I k oh e p I k epic Star that's going to pull up the
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results. I would have what are we what are we seeing here? First
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one? Okay, well yeah that's something Kenny Starr, sorry not Kenny.
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So anyways, she ends with the stage dive, and Matthew knows this because
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Matthew has seen her ten place times, of course, so when uh,
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he knows that she's getting close to the end of the set, he decides
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that we're going to leave a little bit early to avoid the crowd. Get
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out early. He didn't want to stay for the Epic dive. He's not.
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You know, you've seen Epic Dive once. Once, you've seen the
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Epic Dive once. It's like you've seen it a thousand times. Exactly right.
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Yeah. Now, Epic Star pipes in here and says, you know
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everyone knows it's coming. I make it perfectly clear. I say one two
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three, here I come, and so everyone knows. She says, one
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two three, here I come. That's exactly right. So Matthew and his
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girlfriend turn around. They're walking out, and he feels something hits the back
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of his neck and then a sharp pain shoots down his spine. Oh boy,
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And he turns around. He doesn't see anything. He's not really sure
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what's happened, and he is then told he falls down to the ground.
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He gets back up. Security is there asking if he's okay, and they
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tell him, hey, you just got hit with the Epic Star the Epic
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Dive. So this guy. There has to be like three people at this
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concert. I don't know to tell you. I just for she dives he's
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walking away. Somehow her uh foot kicked him into the neck. Yes,
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and so you know, they asked him if he's okay. He's like,
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yes, I'm okay, and he says it's because I didn't want to look
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like a weenie in front of my girlfriend. Of course. But as we
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started walking and when we got to the car, I was in severe pain.
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Okay, I go home, I sleep. I wake up the next
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day and I'm feeling worse. This guy could walk and sleep that night and
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he wants five million dollars. Well, wait, get out of here.
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So he wakes up the next day and he feels absolutely awful, extreme pain.
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We see text messages of him and his girlfriend going back and forth from
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that date, saying, Hey, I'm feeling awful. I'm going to try
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to sleep some more. See if that helps. I'll take some ibiprof and
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blah blah blah. Ten days go by, and on the tenth day pain
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is getting worse and worse and worse. And on the tenth day he has
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a stroke. Oh my yeah, so he has a stroke and this changes
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his life forever. Really, he so he he loses, he's a he
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walks in. He doesn't. I don't actually see him walk, but he's
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standing, so that's good. Yeah, but he does he clearly does not
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have yes, his left arm in particular, and that's a big deal when
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you're a video game, and they, yeah, huge deal. Can you
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can he prove that the stroke came from this incident? Well, we're gonna
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get there. Epic Star brings in her fuzzy boot and says, this is
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the boot, that it's padding and it's fuzzy. There's no way that that
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would have done anything. And Matthew points out that there it would was a
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foot in the in the fuzzy boots. So so now you're basically Peggy and
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Epic Stars. Whole thing is it was ten days. Yeah, like there's
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no like even Epic Star said, I didn't kick him, But even if
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I did kick him, this is ten day difference. Like that's like,
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it's not our fault, it's not my faults. And also he knew it
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was coming, he seen me before. And also I say one two three
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here I come. Yeah, one two three are come? I mean,
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how else are you gonna start an epic stage. So, as Geno does,
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he brings in an expert, okay, and he brings in a neural
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neurological doctor basically, and this doctor comes in talks about how important the neck
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is and the spine, and Judge Gino says, hey, if you were
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kicked in the back in your neck and it messed something up in your spine,
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what is it possible for ten days to go by and then for a
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stroke to happen? And the doctor says, not only is it possible,
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it's likely that that amount of time ish would take place before a stroke would
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happened for a neck injury, for a blunt force trauma to the back.
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So it is looking like epic dive kicked him one three, one two three
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Here I come, kicked him accidentally, Yeah, and he fell down and
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then the stroke happened, and you know, one two three. Here he
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goes, So two point four million dollars in past medical, one hundred k
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for future two point five and pain and suffering five million dollars total. Judge
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Gino is ready to rule. I have to feel like when you go to
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a concert, you accept some liability for what's going to happen to that concert.
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Was there anything on the ticket or the website that would suggest that we
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do not hear anything like that? Okay, Now I feel like this is
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a classic percentage situation, and it is. He does. You know,
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he does the whole bit where you have to prove that you are at least
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that they are at least fifty one percent at fault to get any money.
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I'm gonna get fifty give him fifty one. So out of five mil,
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I'm going to just give him two point five two point twenty five hundred and
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fifty thousand dollars. So Judge Gino says, Matthew, you've been before.
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You know the epic dives coming, so you have to accept some faultier but
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epic star. When you make the decision to do something reckless, no matter
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how many times you've done it, and it injures somebody else, you have
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to take responsibility for that by jumping into the craft. If an injury happens,
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that is your fault. You're personally liable, at least it's to some
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extent. So Gino, as he does, just makes up a number as
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he does, And Gina says that Matthew is only twenty percent response. Oh
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dang, And so he gets four million dollars, Oh my gosh, and
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he is pumped. Epic Star and Peggy are po four mill four million dollars.
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That is crazy for aiguess we've ever had on the gavel a kick to
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the back of the head that that Epic Star doesn't remember that he can't prove
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aside from his girlfriend saying I saw it, and the security guard say,
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hey, here's what happened. But that's it, man, that is just
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bonkers. I felt like it was a little a little high. Yeah,
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yeah, I think one mill is probably high, but you have to be
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at least fifty one responsible. What are we gonna say this? This,
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this is what you're playing with. This is the legal sauce, and this
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is what you're playing with. The stakes are always higher, persons are high,
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right, Well, Epic Star. If somebody can find Epic Star anywhere,
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is this Epic Star? Let me see, let me see who do
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we got here? That could be? She was a white woman singer songwriter
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goes by Kenney Star Hey I N N I E with a very unique blend
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of folk, rap, pop and poetry. Interesting you know what that could
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be it because Matthew pointed out the reason why he loves Epic Star so much
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is because of the inspirational, peace loving aspect of it, but also the
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energy that has brought. So it sounds like a singer songwriter rap situation.
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Boy, I come, but is Epic Star? Is Canny Star a big
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deal? I don't think she's that big a deal. I mean, like,
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I know, like it, this is just some music blaw interview.
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There's a Japan times. This person seems as though she's bigger in like the
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world than she is here And I looked up Kenny Starr stage dive and just
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found nothing, not a single Well, well, they do point out that
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this was like as if the American leg of the tour was a rare thing.
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They kind of they don't get into that, but they're like, oh,
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this is her. They were like, she was coming for doing doing
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an American she never Yeah, she's all over Japan, big England, big,
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big, big big in the but in the show she's American, like
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she's she's Canadian. Okay, So yeah, wild man, what a time
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on the Kenny I guess they couldn't use Kenny Star Is this the last one?
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This last one before? Technically we should do one on the twenty fourth,
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technically on Bramblefest the eve, on the Eve of the Gabble Yeah.
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I like that a lot. Guys. This was so much fun. Can't
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wait to see you a Bramblefest until then, maybe be the first to wish
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