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Timeline Revealed - When Celeste Rivas Vanished and How Her Case Shocked Los Angeles · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the deep dive. We're here to really dig
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  into the complex story shaping our world, pulling out the
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  key pieces of information you need.
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  Speaker 2: And today we are taking on a really heavy subject,
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  a truly devastating case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, We're looking at the disappearance and ultimately the
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  confirmed homicide of thirteen year old Celeste Revis Fernandez.
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  Speaker 2: It's a story that sits right at this this really
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  difficult intersection of true crime, the glare of sudden celebrity,
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  and the frankly dangerous side of online life.
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  Speaker 1: That contrast is key, isn't We start in one place,
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  Lake Elsinore, kind of a quiet suburban town, you know,
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  seventy miles southeast.
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  Speaker 2: Of La Right, a world away really, and we.
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  Speaker 1: End up smack in the middle of the Hollywood Hills,
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  high glamour, big money, but also that kind of fleeting fame.
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  Speaker 2: Celeste vanished on April fifth, twenty twenty four, and the
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  final grim discovery didn't happen until seventeen long months later,
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  September eighth, twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Just devastating, and the circumstances of that discovery they instantly
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  catapulted this from a local miss person case into something
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  much bigger.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, towyard workers in Hollywood. They found human remains
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  severely decomposed inside the front trunk the front of a
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  Tesla Model Y and that car registered to David Anthony Burke,
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  the R and B singer known everywhere as D four VD.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's really unpack this. Our goal here today
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  is to trace that timeline carefully, look at the family's
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  awful seventeen months of waiting an uncertainty.
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  Speaker 2: And piece together the digital clues, the online connections that
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  seem to foreshadow this maybe even enable it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, connecting those dots between a vulnerable teens online life
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  and this rising star's orbit, and finally, look at the
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  facts surrounding the discovery itself.
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  Speaker 2: You know what makes this case so chilling and I
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  think so important to understand is how it really exposes
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  the dark side of our digital age. How so well
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  you have these social media links right seemingly bridging this
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  huge gap between a global celebrity and a very vulnerable
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  young girl. It almost created a pathway for disaster, moving
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  from the screen right into the real physical world.
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  Speaker 1: So let's start with Celeste Reevas Hernandez herself, yea born
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  September seventh, twenty ten.
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  Speaker 2: Just thirteen. When she disappeared. Friends and family described her
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  as bubbly sweet, like a lot of kids her age,
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  really immersed in social media.
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  Speaker 1: She was a student at Lakeland Village Middle School. There
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  in Lake Elsinore, it's known as a pretty tight knit
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  Hispanic community.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, thirteen, that's such a critical age, isn't it.
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  Figuring out who you are idolizing people? The lines can
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  get really blurry.
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  Speaker 1: Her disappearance April fifth, twenty twenty four started, I guess
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  pretty ordinarily, last scene leaving home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the details reported were quite specific. Gray pants, black sweater,
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  these Hello Kitty sandals and a hat.
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  Speaker 1: Her brother, Matthew revis. He mentioned she was actually supposed
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  to meet him later that day. They were going to
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  watch a.
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  Speaker 2: Movie, but she never made it. The family reported her missing.
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  The Riverside County Sheriff's Office started the initial search.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but here's where it gets complicated, right, Yeah, this
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  wasn't the time she'd left home.
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  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't, And that's a really crucial and tragic,
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  complicating factor. Police sources, multiple news outlets confirm this. She
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  had run away several.
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  Speaker 1: Times before but always came back.
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  Speaker 2: Always within a few days. Yeah, which you know sets
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  a precedent in the minds of investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So how does that history, how does it actually
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  impact the police response right at the beginning? Does it
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  automatically lower the priority?
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it often does. It's a resource issue, partly when
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  a child has a documented history of running away or
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  even truancy.
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  Speaker 1: Which she also had. Apparently a former teacher mentioned that exactly.
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  Speaker 2: A former teacher even said she used Celeste's photo sadly
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  as a kind of cautionary tale for current students about
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  social media dangers and skipping school. It confirms that pattern
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  was known, so.
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  Speaker 1: Law enforcement sees that.
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  Speaker 2: Pattern, and the case might get classified differently, not necessarily
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  as an immediate abduction risk, especially in those critical first
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  twenty four forty eight hours. The working assumption often is
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  that the child will return like.
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  Speaker 1: Before, which dampens that urgency. Less manpower, maybe slower pulling.
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  Speaker 2: Digital records potentially yes, And it seems that assumption held
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  for a while. The community knew she was vulnerable, but
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  the system maybe saw it as another instance of running away.
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  Speaker 1: But this time was different, and that assumption might have
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  cost valuable time months, it turns.
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  Speaker 2: Out, exactly, and that feeling of she'll turn up probably
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  lasted until late May twenty twenty four, about a month
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  after she vanished.
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  Speaker 1: That's when the family got that phone call.
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  Speaker 2: One single call, brief distress, sounding from an unknown number.
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  Celestia said she was okay, and then the line went dead.
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  Speaker 1: God, just imagine getting that call. Hope, but terror too.
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  And that was it the last contact.
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  Speaker 2: The absolute last time they ever heard from her.
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  Speaker 1: Why couldn't they trace that call with today's technology.
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  Speaker 2: Surely it's incredibly difficult, especially if it's brief from a
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  burner phone, a prepaid you know. Getting the telecom companies
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  to act fast often needs warrants, which time by then
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  the trails cold. It was a lifeline psychologically for the
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  family maybe, but not much help for the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So months turn into a year, then more holidays pass,
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  Christmas twenty twenty four, the family just pleading on social media,
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  putting up flyers.
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  Speaker 2: Just hoping, agonizing silence. But then after the body was found,
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  after this became a national story, Celeste's mother gave the
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  police a really crucial piece of information, something that maybe
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  didn't seem significant before. What was that she told them
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  that just before Celeste disappeared, her daughter had mentioned dating someone,
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  a boyfriend named David. David, Yeah, a boyfriend the mother
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  had never met in the context of Lake Elsin or
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  maybe just teenage stuff. But suddenly, with remains found in
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  a car registered to David Anthony Burke D four ved,
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  that single name connects everything. It links this local tragedy
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  directly to this huge celebrity figure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's pivot, then let's talk about David Anthony Burke
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  D four ved. His rise was meteoric, wasn't it? The
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  definition of digital fame?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely a total phenomenon. He was just seventeen from Houston, Texas,
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  uploaded a track he made on like a basic app
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  on his phone to TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: He made a commacide July twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Two, and it just exploded billions of streams. Suddenly he
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  has a major record deal with Interscope. By the time
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  he's twenty, he's selling out arenas, touring globally, a gen
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  z icon basically overnight.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got these two parallel tracks. Celeste thirteen vulnerable
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  online in Lake elsinor D four VD young rapidly famous,
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  extremely online himself, and.
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  Speaker 2: This is where their orbits collide. We need to look
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  at the specific digital links, the alleged connections that fueled
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  so much speculation before the body was found.
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  Speaker 1: Right, starting with that Leads song. Yeah, that demo track.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this surfaced back in December twenty twenty three, so
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  months before Celeste even disappeared. The file name itself was
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  chilling Celested demognounst.
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  Speaker 1: Unfinished as the title.
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  Speaker 2: Is, Wow, But the lyrics that's what really stopped to
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  line's like, oh, celests the girl with my name tattooed
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  on her chest?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, his name tattooed on her chest? So was that confirmed?
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  Speaker 2: That specific detail about his name wasn't mentioned in the
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  autopsy findings released publicly, but the lyric continues, I hear
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  her voice each time I take a breath. I'm obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: I am obsessed. That's incredibly intense, predatory almost if you
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  consider it might be about a specific underage fan.
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  Speaker 2: It raises huge questions right about boundaries fan interaction. Was
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  this just creative license or was he writing about someone real,
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  someone he knew?
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the claim from her former.
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  Speaker 2: Teacher, right, the teacher stated Celest had actually met d
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  four V through social media. This was back in early
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  twenty twenty four, and that this connection, this online relationship
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  allegedly led to an earlier time she ran away temporarily.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's huge, because it's not just online chat anymore.
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  It suggests that digital connection was directly impacting her real
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  world behavior months before the final disappearance.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, it establishes a pattern, a link strong enough to
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  make her leave home.
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  Speaker 1: And there was more online chat too, right, live streams photos,
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  though maybe less verified initially.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are these allegations swirling around talk of a
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  live stream from January eleven, twenty twenty four, supposedly showing
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  both of them together the VOD. The video file was
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  reportedly deleted pretty quickly, but screenshots claims persisted online.
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  Speaker 1: Easy to dismiss, maybe if that's all there was.
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  Speaker 2: And also photosurfaced supposedly from October twenty twenty three showing
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  D four D at some event with a girl who
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  looked a lot like Celeste. And significantly, that event was
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  apparently in Lake Elsinore, her hometown in Lake Elsinore.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that suggests maybe an actual physical meeting, potentially
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  even before early twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: It suggests as a connection that might have been deeper
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  and earlier than initially thought. Not just random online messages,
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  but maybe something more sustain practs obsessive like the lyrics hinted.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pattern, digital chat, the song, the alleged earlier
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  runaway incident, potential real world.
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  Speaker 2: Sightings exactly, but you know, lyrics on verified photos, online rumors.
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  Police often need something more concrete, something physical.
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  Speaker 1: And they got it the tattoo.
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  Speaker 2: The tattoo. This was the game changer. By late twenty
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  twenty four, So after Celeste vanished, but before the body
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  was found, D four VD was seen sporting a new tattoo.
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  It was photographed professionally.
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  Speaker 1: What was it?
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  Speaker 2: Just that in redd inc right on his right index finger.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: When the investigators examined the remains found in the tesla,
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  they confirmed Celeste had the exact same tattoo sh read
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  inc right index finger identical, and her mother confirmed it
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  to the police that was one of her daughter's identifying marks.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. How often does something like that happen? A shared
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  specific kind of cryptic tattoo that physically links a missing
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  person to a celebrity figure that must have changed everything
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  for the investigation.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly rare and incredibly powerful evidence. It takes all
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  that online speculation, all those digital breadcrumbs, and grounds them
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  in physical reality. It proves there was some kind of
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  close connection, some shared secret or bond. What exactly it
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  meant is still a question, but the link itself became undeniable,
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  and that's why.
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  Speaker 1: The LAPDE once they took over, immediately said they were
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  digging into all of it, right, photos, messages, timelines, proving
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  every possible tie.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that digital overlap, confirmed by the physical tattoo, became
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  the absolute cornerstone of their homicide investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So we have this undeniable link, the tattoo, the mother's
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  statement about David. But there's this huge gap in time,
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  isn't there mid twenty twenty four to mid twenty twenty five.
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  What was happening with the investigation then?
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  Speaker 2: Well, publicly not much. The trail seemed to go cold
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  after that single phone call. In May twenty twenty four,
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  the Riverside County Sheriff's Office had it classified as a
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  runaway case, albeit high risk, but active leads just dried up.
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  Speaker 1: So for the Revas family, just waiting an entire year
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  plus some.
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  Speaker 2: It's unimaginable. Thanksgiving Christmas twenty twenty four, her fourteenth birthday
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  would have passed. All they had were those flyers social
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  media post Giuseolvera, another relative, was very active online, just
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  pleading for information, holding onto hope.
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  Speaker 1: And while they're living this nightmare in Lake Elsinore, D
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  four vd's life is going in the complete opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Direction, starkly opposite. His career wasn't just stable, it was accelerating.
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  His debut album actually dropped in April twenty twenty four,
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  the same month Celeste disappeared. It cemented him as a
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  major artist, and he moved La. Yeah, he relocated at
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  least temporarily to the Hollywood Hills, that really exclusive Bird
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  Streets neighborhood. Renting this high end place, report said twenty
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  thousand dollars a month, fully embracing that La celebrity lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: So one life just accelerating into fame and fortune, the
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  other frozen, lost in this terrible uncertainty.
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  Speaker 2: It's a brutal contrast, and crucially, the physical object that
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  would eventually connect these two worlds also made the move
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  to La with him, the Tesla, his black Tesla Model
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  Y registered to him in Texas, but now it's in
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  the Bird Streets. Neighbors later told Rolling Stone, you know,
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  they remembered seeing it. It was a fixture, apparently moving
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  around the area for weeks, maybe months.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the car's there, he's there, living this high
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  profile life. Then he goes on tour.
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  Speaker 2: Right by August twenty twenty five, he kicks off his
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  Withered World tour, playing big venues. But back in the
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  Bird Streets, something changes with the car.
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  Speaker 1: It stops moving exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Neighbors noticed by early September twenty twenty five, it was
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  just sitting there, idle, abandoned on the street near Dahini
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  Place and Bluebird Avenue, and it apparently sat there for
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  about a month before it was finally towed.
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  Speaker 1: Wait abandoned for a month in a neighborhood like the
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  Bird Streets. Why wasn't it reported missing or stolen by him?
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  Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, isn't it. You'd think an
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  expensive car like that registered to someone famous, if it
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  went missing, you'd report it.
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  Speaker 1: So either he didn't know what was gone, which seems
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  unlikely if it was his primary car.
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  Speaker 2: There, or he knew exactly where it was and chose
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  not to retrieve it, chose to let it sit there.
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  Speaker 1: In Los Angeles, especially in affluent areas, cars don't just
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  sit abandoned indefinitely.
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  Speaker 2: They get noticed, right Parking Enforcement LAPD. Eventually an unattended
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  vehicle like that gets flagged, it gets ticketed, and if
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  it stays, it gets towed, standard procedure.
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  Speaker 1: And his failure to report it missing, given what was
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  eventually found inside.
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  Speaker 2: It looks incredibly suspicious in hindsight. That simple bureaucratic act
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  towing an abandoned car, that's what broke the case wide open.
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  Speaker 1: And that happened. On September sixth, twenty twenty five. LAPD
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  tags the Tesla toes, it takes it to an impound
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  lot Hollywood Towe Service.
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  Speaker 2: Right near Mansfield and Romaine. And again crucial point D
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  four VD never reported it stolen, never reported it missing.
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  Speaker 1: The timing of the discovery itself is just gut wrenching.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. September eighth, the day after what would
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  have been Celeste's fifteenth.
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  Speaker 1: Birthday, unbelievable. And it was the towyard workers who noticed
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  something was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not the police. Initially, the workers. They noticed this
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  awful smell coming from the car. Clearly not oil or
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  gas or anything mechanical. It was biological pervasive. They knew
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  they had to call the officers back.
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  Speaker 1: So the officers return, they investigate more closely the fronk, yeah,
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  the front.
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  Speaker 2: Trunk, and inside they find a black plastic bag containing
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  human remains.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, what details were immediately apparent.
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  Speaker 2: The remains were badly decomposed, indicating they'd been there a
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  long long time. But officers can see it was a female,
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  small build, estimated five foot two, maybe around seventy one pounds,
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  wavy black hair.
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  Speaker 1: What about clothing, ites or identifying features.
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  Speaker 2: She was wearing a tube top, black leggings, had a
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  yellow metal bracelet, stud earrings. And then the key detail
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  they saw it the tattoo. The tattoo on her right
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  index finger that must.
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  Speaker 1: Have immediately clicked with the missing person reports with the
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  D four VD connection.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely forensic swarmed the towyard. The link was made quickly,
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  and on September seventeenth, the La County Medical Examiner made
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  the official confirmation the remains were celestrevas Hernandez.
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  Speaker 1: And they ruled it a homicide.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, two crucial findings right away identification confirmed Celeste manner
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  of death homicide, but it was a butt. The exact
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  cause of deathlt what specifically killed her was listed as deferred.
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  Speaker 1: Okay for listeners, what does deferred actually mean in this context?
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  If it's a homicide, why defer the cause?
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  Speaker 2: It essentially means investigators are certain she died due to
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  the actions of another person. It wasn't natural accident or suicide.
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  But because the body was so decomposed, the physical evidence
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  needed to say how she was killed, you know, was
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  it strangulation, blunt force, trauma, poisoning. That evidence was obscured.
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  Speaker 1: Or lost, so they need more tests toxicology maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, more detailed forensic analysis, but they were confident enough
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  to rule it homicide. And importantly, the state of decomposition
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  suggested she'd been dead for a very long time, possibly
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  since she disappeared in April twenty twenty four or very soon.
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  Speaker 1: After, which fits the timeline perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: It does. The news just exploded then instantly, D four
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  V had a show scheduled in Seattle for September seventeenth,
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  the same day the ice was confirmed. Immediately canceled. His
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  reps put out a statement saying he'd been informed, he
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  was aware, and he was fully cooperating with the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: But the business side reacted even faster than the brands.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, CROs Hollister companies that had deals with him,
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  Capitalizing on his youth appeal, they yanked his ads almost overnight,
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  pause partnerships. The association was immediately toxic from a PR perspective.
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  Speaker 1: And the official investigation ramped.
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  Speaker 2: Up too big time. September eighteenth, the case was officially
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  handed over to LAPD's Robbery Homicide Division RhD.
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  Speaker 1: That's significant, right, RhD handles the really big complex cases in.
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  Speaker 2: LA, the most sensitive, the most high profile murders andviving celebrities,
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  serial cases, complex conspiracies. Transferring it to RhD signals how
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  seriously LAPD was taking this, the potential complexity and the
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  profile involved, and they moved fast search warrant immediately. Detectives
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  searched D four vd's rental house in the Bird Streets.
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  Remember that's less than a lock from where the tesla
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  was abandoned.
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  Speaker 1: What were they looking for? What did they take?
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  Speaker 2: Reports said they seized a computer, phones, other electronic devices,
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  bagged up potential evidence, clearly looking for anything connecting him
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  His activities or knowledge of the car and its contents
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  during that seventeen month period.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so search warrant executed, evidence seized, but it's crucial
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  to state legally speaking.
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  Speaker 2: As of that point September nineteenth, twenty twenty five, no
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  arrests had been made. D for D had not been
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  officially named a suspect by.
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  Speaker 1: The police, but he's obviously central to the investigation. A
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  person of extreme interests.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, A retired LAPD detective Moses Castillo said publicly, you know,
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  the singer would definitely face intense questioning. Police need to
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  know everything about his movements, who had access to that car, when,
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  why it was abandoned, all of it.
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  Speaker 1: The news just set this massive shockwave. Didn't it across
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  LA definitely, but online.
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  Speaker 2: Globally total frenzy. A city built on celebrities suddenly grappling
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  with this incredibly dark true crime story tied directly to
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  one of its own RFNY stars, and social media, especially
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  twitter x just lit up. Hashtag celestiy as was trending constantly.
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  People were dissecting every detail, the timeline, those lyrics, the tattoo.
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  Speaker 1: It really felt like it tapped into something deeper, didn't
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  it more than just celebrity gossip.
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  Speaker 2: I think so. Al Jazeera called it a cautionary tale,
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  and that feels right. It brutally exposes the risks lurking
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  beneath the surface of fame, especially modern accessible digital.
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  Speaker 1: Fame, and the dangers of online interactions, particularly for young
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  people exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Online grooming is a term people use these platforms TikTok
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  discord whatever they offer, the sense of direct access, almost
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  intimacy with stars, and for vulnerable teens, especially, the lines
• 18:44
  between being a fan and having a real relationship can
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  get dangerously blurred.
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  Speaker 1: Creating opportunities for exploitation potentially.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's that illusion of proximity. The digital world made
• 18:54
  someone like D four VD seem reachable, touchable, and maybe
• 18:58
  Celeste's history feeling misunderstood or wanting independence made her more
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  susceptible to that kind of attention.
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  Speaker 1: The irony is just awful. The very technology that built
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  his career is.
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  Speaker 2: The same technology that left the digital breadcrumbs leading investigators
• 19:10
  back to him, back to the car, back to Celeste.
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  Speaker 1: And through all this media storm, the Reva's family finally
• 19:16
  spoke out.
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  Speaker 2: They did heartbreakingly. They started to GoFundMe confirming their worst
• 19:22
  fears were realized, asking for help to give Celeste a
• 19:25
  proper burial after seventeen months of torment.
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  Speaker 1: Her brother Matthew confirmed they knew, didn't he? They knew
• 19:30
  she was a fan, knew about the connection to D
• 19:32
  four V before she vanished.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, their statement just grounded the whole thing, took it
• 19:36
  away from the celebrity speculation and back to the raw
• 19:39
  human tragedy. Their need for answers is what fuels the
• 19:42
  urgency now.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: So, as of late September twenty twenty five, where did
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  the investigations stand. What were the big unanswered questions for RhD?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Several massive ones remain. First, the definitive timeline When exactly
• 19:55
  did Celeste die? Theme suggested early on near her disappearance,
• 19:59
  but forensics needs to pinpoint that it's crucial. Second, who
• 20:03
  physically placed her body in the front of that tesla
• 20:06
  the car belonged to D four D Yes, but proving
• 20:08
  who had access, who drove it, when, who committed that
• 20:10
  specific act? That's the challenge. Were others involved?
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And the biggest question, the one everyone is.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Asking, what role, if any, did DeFord him himself play?
• 20:19
  Did he know? Was he involved? In her death, in
• 20:22
  the concealment, in the abandonment of the car, His claims
• 20:26
  of cooperation are being tested against the evidence found in
• 20:28
  his house, in that car, and from the digital trail.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So when you pull back the core of this deep dive,
• 20:36
  it's just this devastating arc, isn't it. From a missing
• 20:38
  person report in a quiet town.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Through seventeen months of silence and anguish.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: To a homicide discovered in the heart of Hollywood linked
• 20:46
  to a celebrity, all connected by these digital threads, these
• 20:49
  online whispers made real by things like that tattoo.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It really forces us to look at the world we
• 20:55
  live in now, where the lines between being a fan
• 20:57
  and being involved in a celebrity's private life are just dissolving.
• 21:01
  They're thinner than ever, and.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: This case shows the horrifying potential consequences of that, how
• 21:05
  vulnerability can be so easily exploited when real world tragedy
• 21:09
  meets this kind of digital fantasy that feels intensely real
• 21:13
  to the person caught up in it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, getting justice for Celesti it requires answers, of course,
• 21:18
  but maybe it also requires us to think harder about
• 21:20
  how we protect young people navigating this incredibly complex, interconnected.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: World, which brings us to a final thought for you,
• 21:26
  our listeners, Considering the sheer amount of time that passed
• 21:30
  here between Celeste disappearing and her body being found, and
• 21:34
  factoring in her known history of running away, how do
• 21:36
  we need to change? How does the digital footprint analysis,
• 21:40
  How does the response from families from law enforcement? How
• 21:43
  does that need to evolve to better protect vulnerable kids
• 21:47
  from these kinds of dangers, these intersections of fame and
• 21:50
  online life.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how do we get faster, smarter, more proactive in
• 21:54
  identifying and intervening in these situations before they turn tragic?
• 21:58
  It's something to really think about as we watch this
• 22:00
  investigation unfold.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Definitely something to consider. Thank you for joining us on
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  the deep dive. We will absolutely keep tracking this case
• 22:06
  as it develops.