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The Ramones: TV Bombs, Psycho Therapy, Toilet Syringes, Turning Tricks and Saving Rock ‘N’ Roll · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. The stories about
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  Speaker 1: the Ramones are insane. They sniffed, glue bombed, unsuspecting Queen's
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  Speaker 1: residence with heavy television sets, attempted to brain the Beatles
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  Speaker 1: with rocks. One Ramone was locked up in a psych
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  Speaker 1: word another forced to turn tricks for heroin. And despite
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  Speaker 1: it all, as a band, the Ramones managed to survive
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  Speaker 1: and inspire an entire new generation of rock and rollers
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  Speaker 1: at a time when the genre seemed near dead. And
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  Speaker 1: man o man, did the Ramones make great music, some
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  Speaker 1: of the greatest music ever made. Unlike that music I
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  Speaker 1: played for you at the top of the show. That
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  Speaker 1: wasn't great music. That was a preset loop for my
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  Speaker 1: melotron called Fluorescent Function Hall MK two. I played you
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  Speaker 1: that loop because I can afford the rights to Love
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  Speaker 1: Is Alive by Gary Wright. Why would I play you
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  Speaker 1: that specific slice of dream Weaver Cheese? Could I afford it?
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  Speaker 1: Because that was the number one song in America on
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  Speaker 1: July fourth, nineteen seventy six, And that was the day
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  Speaker 1: the Ramones first played in London, an act that marked
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  Speaker 1: the band's first major step towards saving rock and roll.
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  Speaker 1: On this episode Sniffing Glue, TV bombs, psych Wards Heroin
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  Speaker 1: and saving rock and Roll with the Ramones. I'm Jake Brennan,
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  Speaker 1: and this this Disgraceland nineteen sixty seven Summer of Love
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  Speaker 1: helter skelter in. The coming nihilism of the seventies was
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  Speaker 1: impossible to imagine. Yet there it was, just around the Bend.
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  Speaker 1: Rock and roll was the most culturally relevant it would
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  Speaker 1: ever be. Few knew it, but rock and roll was
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  Speaker 1: also taking its first steps toward death, toward corporate rock,
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  Speaker 1: toward disco rock. Music wasn't dead, but it would be soon,
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  Speaker 1: and so too would some unlucky hitchhikers out on Interstate
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  Speaker 1: sixty nine between Flint, Michigan and South Bend, Indiana. The
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  Speaker 1: van was an old shipbox with a big V eight
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  Speaker 1: and dark cargo area in the back. Killing the recent
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  Speaker 1: hitchhiker they picked up was never the plan. They needed
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  Speaker 1: one more, a force to help them dispose of the body.
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  Speaker 1: So he was a recruit, not a victim. Plus they
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  Speaker 1: liked him straight away. He had that dumb charm about him.
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  Speaker 1: His name even sounded dumb. Doug Douglas Colvin of Queens,
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  Speaker 1: New York. The next hitchhiker they encountered, though wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: so lucky. He or she would be decapitated, garreted with
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  Speaker 1: a thin wire and two hoops. Fuck them, whoever they were.
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  Speaker 1: They deserved it, Society deserved it, and so its children
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  Speaker 1: would not be spared. But first, some smokes were needed.
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  Speaker 1: Doug Colvin breathed a sigh of relief. It wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: in for all this crazy murder talk. He just needed
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  Speaker 1: a ride out west, away from his mom and queen's
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  Speaker 1: who had caught the fifteen year old using heroin freaked
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  Speaker 1: out and provoked this teenage runaway act. The van rolled
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  Speaker 1: into an abandoned roadside gas station parking lot. The plan
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  Speaker 1: was armed robbery. It went nowhere. The would be killers
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  Speaker 1: were stoned bumbling marauders who were rounded up by local
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  Speaker 1: cops almost as soon as they made off from the
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  Speaker 1: gas station with the stolen goods. Doug was thrown into
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  Speaker 1: jail with his accomplices for armed robbery. Instinctively, the cops
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  Speaker 1: knew he was not like the others and showed mercy.
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  Speaker 1: They gave him as many as ten phone calls to
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  Speaker 1: try and contact an adult or guardian to arrange his release.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't even going to try him. They just didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to release him back into the wild on his own,
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  Speaker 1: which was exactly what they ended up doing after his father,
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  Speaker 1: when reached by phone, told Doug, fuck you rot there
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  Speaker 1: you deserve it. He was on his own and that
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  Speaker 1: was clear. The small town cops weren't about to get
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  Speaker 1: into the headache of caring for this clearly too done
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  Speaker 1: to do any harm juvenile delinquent, so they just let
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  Speaker 1: him go. After three weeks, Doug hitched back to Queen's
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  Speaker 1: and there he quickly took up with another local cast off,
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  Speaker 1: John Cummings. He too was fascinated by murder Charlie Starkweather,
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen year old James Dean looking psychopath who went
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  Speaker 1: on a one week Midwestern murder spree with his fourteen
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  Speaker 1: year old girlfriend at his side, killing ten people in
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  Speaker 1: the process, including her family, for no other reason than
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  Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't like him or his teenage attitude.
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  Speaker 1: John Cummings felt that Doug Colvin did too. Doug thought
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  Speaker 1: it hysterical when the Beatles played at Shay Stadium in Queen's.
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  Speaker 1: John Cummings went and instead of losing his mind to
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  Speaker 1: the highly contagious Beatlemania running rampant, focused intently on the
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  Speaker 1: four lads on stage and tried to knock any one
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  Speaker 1: of them unconscious that he could with the rocks he
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  Speaker 1: was beaming at them for the stands, the most celebrated
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  Speaker 1: band on the planet and the history of the world
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  Speaker 1: in person, the band who would inspire the name of
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  Speaker 1: his own band less than a decade later, and he
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  Speaker 1: was throwing stones at them. There was no real reason,
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  Speaker 1: just anger. Jeff Hyman, another teenage cast off from Queens,
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  Speaker 1: felt something else. It wasn't anger so much as it
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  Speaker 1: was alienation and heartache. Whatever it was, it drove him
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  Speaker 1: to the Margins Forest Hills, Queens. Back in the sixties, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: it was conservative, working the middle class. Young boys went
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  Speaker 1: to school, kept their hair short, went to college, or
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  Speaker 1: got a job, found a girl, eventually started families and
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  Speaker 1: kept their mouths shut. All the shouting about the war,
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  Speaker 1: about inequality, about peace and about love. That was for
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  Speaker 1: the city. That was the subway ride in a world away.
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  Speaker 1: Queens was for working, for raising your family. Jeff didn't
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  Speaker 1: want a family. Even if he did, he wouldn't know
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  Speaker 1: how to start one. Talking to girls wasn't easy unless
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  Speaker 1: they were the girls he met in the mental hospital
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  Speaker 1: Saint Vincent and S where he'd been sent as a
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  Speaker 1: teenager when his obsessive compulsive ticks, like repeatedly getting in
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  Speaker 1: and out of bed before going to sleep, escalated into
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  Speaker 1: an undiagnosed case of paranoid schizophrenia, a mild case quote
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  Speaker 1: unquote minimal brain damage, as the doctor said, small comfort
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  Speaker 1: to Jeff's mother, who Jeff had pulled a knife on
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  Speaker 1: during one of his episodes. Once he was old enough,
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  Speaker 1: she kicked him out of the house and he began
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  Speaker 1: living in her art gallery, sleeping on the floor alone.
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  Speaker 1: For Jeff, normal life wasn't even an option. So when
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  Speaker 1: he brought a girl around to his new friends and
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  Speaker 1: told him that he met her in the bin as
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  Speaker 1: in the looney bin, no one was that surprised. Psychotherapy
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  Speaker 1: had its perks, went with thinking, but the looney bin
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  Speaker 1: was no joke. Jeff knew this teenage of the botomies
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  Speaker 1: foisted upon teenagers for what they perceived as just being misunderstood,
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  Speaker 1: though that was fucking messed up. None of it made
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  Speaker 1: any sense, not to Jeff, but not to his new
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  Speaker 1: friends John and Doug. They rebelled and bonded over music.
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  Speaker 1: John was into Sabbath the Stones, Hendrick music that was
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  Speaker 1: as tough and as hard as the construction jobs he worked.
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  Speaker 1: But none of this music had seemed was going anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: It all felt like part of the same thing, the
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  Speaker 1: same hippie to be doomed to fail experiment. Increasingly, it
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  Speaker 1: was clear rock and roll's energy was fading. Their new
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  Speaker 1: friend Tommy agreed he would know he was at least
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  Speaker 1: in the music business sort of. He engineered some records,
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  Speaker 1: even worked on Jimmy Hendrick's band of Gypsy sessions at
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  Speaker 1: the Record Plan in Manhattan, which for a kid from
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  Speaker 1: Forest Hills was saying something. As far as Doug, John
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  Speaker 1: and jeffnew, their new friend Tommy might as well have
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  Speaker 1: been Phil Spector, and they loved Phil Spector's records. The
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  Speaker 1: girl groups, though they were right now, all four of
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  Speaker 1: them half assing an a cappella version of The Crystals
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  Speaker 1: The Do Run Run while they struggled up the stairway
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  Speaker 1: of the fifth floor walk up with the twenty five
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  Speaker 1: inch Filco television set wasn't a console TV set, but
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  Speaker 1: it was still heavy as fuck. The picture tubes inside
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  Speaker 1: these old TV were big, and then the filkos problematic,
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  Speaker 1: not like the reliable RCAs, but Filchos went bust and
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  Speaker 1: confounded even the best of Forrest Hill's television repair men.
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  Speaker 1: So many of the lemons ended up on the bubblegum
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  Speaker 1: freckled sidewalks of Queens, waiting for some unlucky trash men
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  Speaker 1: to haul them away. But not if Doug, John, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: and Tommy had anything to do with it. The TVs
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  Speaker 1: were great to link with fodder, so up the stairwells
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  Speaker 1: to the roofs they went. After finally squeezing the set
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  Speaker 1: up the stairs, they hauled the TV out onto the room.
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  Speaker 1: They all knew what they were there to do, this ritual,
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  Speaker 1: They'd done it before so many times. It was old hat.
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  Speaker 1: They discussed music, nonchalant rock is dead, Tommy said to
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  Speaker 1: no one well. Jeff continued to mumble out the chorus
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  Speaker 1: to the Do Run Run, Yeah, Doug paradit. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: seem too convinced, more agreeable, more wanting than the others
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  Speaker 1: to just be a part of whatever was in the air,
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  Speaker 1: part of the game. The opposite of John, who was
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  Speaker 1: seen didn't care who liked him or what people thought.
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  Speaker 1: Of him, not even his new friends. They pulled the
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  Speaker 1: TV over to the edge of the roof. John spoke
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  Speaker 1: up in transit. It was this new band downtown supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be good. Oh yeah, as good as del Shannon,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff spat up, as good as the Stooges from Detroit.
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  Speaker 1: Doug ass. He didn't really know how good the Stooges were.
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  Speaker 1: They were just something he'd heard some kids downtown talk about.
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  Speaker 1: If you were being honest, he'd have asked if they
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  Speaker 1: were as good as the Bay City Rollers. He knew
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  Speaker 1: about the rollers. He loved the rollers, but he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: sure if John didn't matter. John ignored him anyway. They
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  Speaker 1: called the dolls the New York Dolls. The four of
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  Speaker 1: them then reached the edge of the roof with the
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  Speaker 1: TV and they peered over down to the sidewalk. It
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  Speaker 1: was a long way down. We should go see them play.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what if these girls there, Jeff wanted to know,
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  Speaker 1: as if that would be unimaginable. They all bent down
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  Speaker 1: and Unison gripped the pilco from the bottom, bent with
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  Speaker 1: their knees like only young workingmen know how, and heaved
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  Speaker 1: the heavy television set up into the edge of the roof.
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  Speaker 1: They steadied it and waited for the perfect target on
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  Speaker 1: the sidewalk below. Little old ladies were the best. They
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  Speaker 1: scared easy, dropped their groceries, sometimes fell over, most times
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  Speaker 1: just stood back, clutching their chests, catching their breaths and
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  Speaker 1: looking bewildered. It was hysterical. But new moms were even better.
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  Speaker 1: They were so uptight with their little brats running them ragged.
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  Speaker 1: Here came one now, and they waited. The shows is
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be wild. John said, I mean, we should
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  Speaker 1: really go see this band. We should start our own band,
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  Speaker 1: Tommy said. They all looked at each other, and then
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  Speaker 1: they looked down at the bitchy mom and her brady
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  Speaker 1: little kid. Tommy's suggestion was a good one, and John
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  Speaker 1: scowled in agreement. Doug's eyes went wide, and Jeff nodded.
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  Speaker 1: All of them looked down to the sidewalk just as
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  Speaker 1: the mom and the brat walked directly below them, and
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  Speaker 1: then they pushed the television set over the side of
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  Speaker 1: the roof. It exploded onto the sidewalk and just over
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  Speaker 1: a second's time, landing about two feet behind the mom.
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  Speaker 1: She screamed, and so did the brat, Doug, John, Jeff
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  Speaker 1: and Tommy beat it. Jeff was fidgeting with the cheap
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  Speaker 1: turntable and the loft he was staying at. His new
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  Speaker 1: friend Artur was letting him crash indefinitely, and Jeff, who
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  Speaker 1: was now calling himself Joey, who was trying to get
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  Speaker 1: the turntable to play. A new prize possession, Charles Manson's
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  Speaker 1: album Live the Love and Terror call Look At Your
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  Speaker 1: Game Girl ceased to exist. Heavy shit by one of
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  Speaker 1: the heaviest and shittiest dudes to ever hit the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Music that seemed dangerous as rock and roll was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to sound, but increasingly in the early seventies sounded watered
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  Speaker 1: down and safe. Manson was locked up now, but his
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  Speaker 1: music was out in the wild, hard to find, but
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  Speaker 1: Joey managed to snag a copy for his which he
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  Speaker 1: kept meticulously in his ocd Way. Manson understood girls on
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  Speaker 1: a whole other level, a level Joey would never understand.
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  Speaker 1: Girls were a mystery, but glue was not, and Joey's
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  Speaker 1: friend Doug wanted to sniff some more of it, more
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  Speaker 1: and more and more. For Doug when he wasn't getting
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  Speaker 1: high sniffing glue he was doing heroin. Joey heard from
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  Speaker 1: a friend that Doug was seen out of fifty third
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  Speaker 1: and third over in the West Village, standing on the
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  Speaker 1: corner trying to turn a trick for dope. It was
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  Speaker 1: a well known pickup spot for old money dudes, cruising
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  Speaker 1: for young men who would trade sex for quick cash.
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  Speaker 1: Doug did it because he had to, because he needed
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  Speaker 1: to hit the fountain in Central Park to score dope,
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  Speaker 1: with the East Village to score blow. Joey didn't judge,
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  Speaker 1: neither did their other friends. It was New York in
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  Speaker 1: the seventies, hard as nails, and you had to do
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  Speaker 1: what you had to do to get by. Doug was
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  Speaker 1: seen in a way as a badass for being able
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  Speaker 1: to go through with it. Before settling in Forest Hills,
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  Speaker 1: Doug was raised a military breath in post World War
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  Speaker 1: two Germany by two drunk, disinterested parents. Doug had toughness
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  Speaker 1: bred into him. He learned about drugs from the older gis,
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  Speaker 1: and he learned about rock and roll from Radio Luxembourg.
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  Speaker 1: It's where he first heard the Beatles. He was obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: His obsession uncovered a little nugget about Paul McCartney Paul
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  Speaker 1: used the alias Paul Ramone to check into hotels and conspicuously.
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  Speaker 1: Doug thought it was so cool, so when he started
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  Speaker 1: calling himself Didi, he changed his last name from Colvin
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  Speaker 1: to Ramone, and also, like Paul, Doug started playing bass too.
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  Speaker 1: They had a band to put together, after all, so
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  Speaker 1: Joey once Jeff Hyman started calling himself Joey Ramone, and
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  Speaker 1: so too did their other bandmates, John and Tommy. But
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  Speaker 1: John Ramone stacked up next to Tommy, Joey and DEDI
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  Speaker 1: didn't sound right, So Johnny Ramone it was. It will
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  Speaker 1: be one of the last compromises Johnny Ramone would ever make.
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  Speaker 1: He assumed the role of band leader. Immediately he commandeered
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  Speaker 1: what would be the Ramone sound in image a war
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  Speaker 1: going on. After all, rock and roll was about to
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  Speaker 1: be overrun by bloated corporate hacks and disco attacks, and
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  Speaker 1: their band would have to be different. If it was
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  Speaker 1: going to save rock and roll, they'd have to strip
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  Speaker 1: out all of the frills, cut any and all the fat.
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  Speaker 1: Their sound would match their physicality, lean rock star skinny,
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  Speaker 1: no guitar solos, no drum solos, no blues influence, no ballads,
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  Speaker 1: no metaphors, no sexual double entendres, no dynamics. They would
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  Speaker 1: strip it all away and break rock and roll down
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  Speaker 1: to its basic essence, power, speed, energy and volume and
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  Speaker 1: blast it back at the audience. When at war, you
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  Speaker 1: pick a side, join up, and in order to distinguish
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  Speaker 1: yourself from your enemy, you wear a uniform. Johnny commanded
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  Speaker 1: his troops D D, Joey, and Tommy to do the same,
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  Speaker 1: to dress like him, all of them in black leather
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  Speaker 1: biker jackets, skin type jeans, skin tight T shirts, and
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  Speaker 1: cheap tennis shoes. Cats not Chuck Taylor's. They would rely
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  Speaker 1: on simplicity for their attack, hitting their audience head on
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  Speaker 1: with a weapon they knew me Glovers would fall victim too,
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  Speaker 1: something they weren't even aware they were missing. Pure rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll sixties girl group in del Shannon melodies, spirited
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  Speaker 1: beach boys, teenage fund in a directness, and the lyrics
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  Speaker 1: not deployed as effectively since Dede's beatles burst on the
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  Speaker 1: scene with I Want to Hold Your Hand DeeDee, Johnny
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  Speaker 1: and Company would counter eleven years later at their band's
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  Speaker 1: first show with songs entitled I Don't want to Walk
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  Speaker 1: around with you, I don't want to go down to
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  Speaker 1: the basement, and of course now I want to sniff
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  Speaker 1: some glue. They called themselves the Ramones, of course they did,
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  Speaker 1: and their theater of war was a little dive on
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  Speaker 1: the Bowery called CBGB's. It was tiny, completely ramshackle, smelled
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  Speaker 1: of piss, cheap to get into and cheaper to drink in.
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  Speaker 1: Other like minded musicians had dug into the club as well, television,
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  Speaker 1: the Patti Smith group in Blondie among them, claiming it
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  Speaker 1: as their own, separate and apart from whatever was happening
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  Speaker 1: elsewhere in Manhattan's fast declining live music scene. The ramones
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  Speaker 1: first cb SEID on August sixteenth, nineteen seventy four, was
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  Speaker 1: welcomed by all in attendance. They were, as Blondie's lead
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  Speaker 1: singer Debbie Harry would later remark, hysterical, but Johnny didn't
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  Speaker 1: see what was so funny. He was dead serious, and
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  Speaker 1: so were his bandmates, despite the fact that they struggled
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  Speaker 1: through their set, which took all of twelve minutes, blasting
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  Speaker 1: through their songs with manic one, two, three, four, count
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  Speaker 1: oss by Dedee and failing equipment in the band, yelling
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  Speaker 1: at one another on stage, they looked and sounded unlike
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  Speaker 1: anything anyone had ever seen, and were immediately welcomed onto
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  Speaker 1: the scene. They were clearly onto something. They set up
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  Speaker 1: shop at their friend arturo vegas loft, around the corner
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  Speaker 1: from CBGB's on East Second Street, in addition to letting
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  Speaker 1: Joey and Guide squad at his place in Sniff, Glue
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  Speaker 1: and Listen to Weird Charles Manson Records. Arturo designed the
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  Speaker 1: band's now iconic logo, a send up of the presidential
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  Speaker 1: seal which in August of nineteen seventy four, the month
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  Speaker 1: of President Richard Nixon's resignation. Was not exactly an aspirational association.
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  Speaker 1: Dede if he was grateful for the logo, didn't show it.
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  Speaker 1: He had other things on his mind, like how to
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  Speaker 1: get enough money to cop dope and stave off as
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Heroin Jones, Our Tour's loft was on the first floor.
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  Speaker 1: The action from the street just outside his windows was
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  Speaker 1: constant sirens, violent shouting, and the more than occasional brick
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  Speaker 1: thrown through the window from dealers pissed off at d
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  Speaker 1: D or his notorious street walking force of nature girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: the highly destructive Connie E. Second was loud. It was
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  Speaker 1: going to be one of those nights when the street
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  Speaker 1: never goes to see. Dede knew it. He was preparing
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  Speaker 1: for a long evening. He had no money, no dope,
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  Speaker 1: no protection, and no one to help. Connie was gone,
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  Speaker 1: Joey was useless. E Second was alive and in his head,
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  Speaker 1: coming for him, and there was nothing he could do
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  Speaker 1: about it. Couldn't hit the street. The heroin withdrawals were
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  Speaker 1: on their way, and they were debilitating awful, severe experiences.
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  Speaker 1: In ded all one hundred and thirty pounds of him,
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  Speaker 1: was equipped to deal with the pain, the nause of,
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  Speaker 1: the sweating, the aching, the vomiting. He was helpless. Nothing
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  Speaker 1: he could do about wait it out, make like his
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: bandmate Johnny in power through That gave Dede an idea.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: If he couldn't protect himself against the withdrawals, he could
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: protect himself against the threat of violence outside his window
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  Speaker 1: on each second, at least for a little while. He
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: needed a weapon, his own bricks to fire back out
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  Speaker 1: onto the street if things got heavy. While he sweat
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: out his jones, Dede dragged himself to his feet and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: headed out behind Oar Toro's building, and there were loose
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  Speaker 1: bricks in the backyard. The city had recently done some
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: excavating for whatever reason. Dede didn't know. He heard there
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  Speaker 1: was an old graveyard back there, a long forgotten city
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: cemetery that had been developed over with tenement and loft buildings.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Years of Manhattan development had disrupted the buried bodies in
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the city. In order to save space, was forced to
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: erect a brick wall above the ground in our Toro's
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  Speaker 1: backyard and rearrange the corpses from their horizontal, subterranean resting
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  Speaker 1: place into upright, space saving positions inside the brick wall.
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  Speaker 1: Dede didn't know about all that, or if he did,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: he didn't care. What he knew about was that he
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: needed a few bricks. There were none scattered about, but
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the brick wall looked a bit worse for wear. Like
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the rest of the neighborhood. Dede was starting to feel it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: The nausea was coming on, and so too was a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: tinge of paranoia. East Second was shouting out to him
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: like it was coming for him, to chew him up,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to spit him out, one more violent vein of this unforgiven,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: god forsaken city than in the seventies of these seemed
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: hell bent on cannibalizing its own. The street sounds were intensifying,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: swirling around Dede. He was starting to sweat to shake.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: The second screened and DD he noticed a loose brick
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: in the wall. He started to pull it, shook it
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a bit, wiggled it looser, looser, pulling it all the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: way out of the wall. Or When the brick finally
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: shook loose from the wall, so too did the skeletal
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: hand of very old corpse from within the wall. The
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: sight of the dead hand set Dede reeling backward under
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: his ass. He started to shake again, but the shakes
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: were more from fear than from his heroin Jones. Indeed,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he was about to spring to his feet and sprint
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: back into the law where we noticed on the dead
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  Speaker 1: hand hanging out of the wall something shiny, two rings,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: one gold and one diamond. New York City, a city
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that never sleeps, was also the unofficial capital of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Land of Opportunity. An opportunity for d d Ramone just
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: came knocking out of a brick wall. He quickly pulled
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the rings of the dead Manhattanit's fingers and headed out
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: onto e second to pawn them off, score some dope
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and take care of his jones. But it was clear
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to d d just as it was to Joey and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Johnny and Tommy. Then, in order for the Ramones to survive,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in order for the Ramones to make sure rock and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: roll survived, they'd need to survive the squalor of their city.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And for now that meant were tread getting the fuck
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  Speaker 1: out of Dodge, so to speak, and to bring their
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: war to another shore. London was calling. We'll be right
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: back after this word were were? The Ramones were nervous.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Playing outside of New York City was no easy task.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: The sting of being booed off stage in Waterbury, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 1: on their first venture out of town, opening for Johnny Winter,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of all people, it never left. This was supposed to
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: be different, though. The Ramones weren't opening for some tired,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: bloated rock and roll dinosaur. They were opening for the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Flaming Groovies, a West Coast American rock band with jumped
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: up teenage energy in style. Plus the Flaming Groovies were somebody's.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: The Ramones, to their estimation anyway, were nobody's. Their self
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: titled debut album had been released that Spring in April
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy six on Sire Records. Their friends liked it,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: as well as a few critics, but out of the gate,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: despite being a shotgun black of pure rock and roll
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: for a new era and harnessing a newfound energy and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: directness and image sorely missing in rock and roll at
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the time, despite saying rock and roll is here to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: stay with songs that barely made it past the two
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: minutes and thirty second mark and said everything they needed
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to say in that time. Despite all of that, an
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: album that listed fourteen tracks and clocked in at just
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: twenty nine minutes and four seconds. Despite that, despite the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: no frills, the no fat, the no fucking around, no
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: one cared, or so the Ramones thought. When they arrived
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in London at the Roundhouse where they were performing that night,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: they headed to the back of the venue to enter
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: through the backstage door, and they're waiting for them at
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the end of the darkened alley where four menacing looking
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: figures blocking their entrance, standing their ground, and they were
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: in leather, looking or trying at least to look every
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: bit as tough as the New York street gangs that
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: they believe spawned the Ramones, who they were there to confront. Hey,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: one of them yelled. Before the Ramones got too close, Tommy,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Ramones started to shake you popped into their value. DeeDee
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: was amused. These guys kind of looked like they did.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Joey seemed nonplussed. Johnny was ready to pummel them and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: any other dumb brit Fox who've got in the way
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of him doing his job that night. Before we could,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: one of them spoke up again, or a clash Man,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and We're gonna be bigger than anybody. It was a
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: weird comment, a weird way to start a fight, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: also a weird way to introduce yourself. The Ramones ignored
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it once they realized there was no real threat and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: skirted around them and into the club. The Clash were
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: clearly confused. All that leather the iconic presidential looking Ramon's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: logo the Ramones must have been a gang. No, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the Ramones didn't know or really care what the Clash
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: were thinking. They had a show to do. Once safely
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: ensconced in their dressing room, words started traveling back to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the band from their crew milling about the venue in
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the back alley, loading in gear and getting set up
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: for the gig. People were saying that all these local
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: kids cools clearly seensters. They were showing up early and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: wanted to get backstage to meet the band, to meet
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the Ramones. One of them, John Lydon, asked ar Toro
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Vega if he could get back to meet the Ramones.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Arta said sure. John wanted to know if the Ramones
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: were going to beat him up when he went back there.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: What the fuck was going on? The Ramones' reputation, or
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: rather their image and their sound preceded them tough, street, hard, fast, violin,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: even no fucking around. They brought all that onto the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: stage room that night in front of two thousand people
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and crushed The crowd loved them. The band encourd three
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: times and they weren't even the headliner. It was July fourth,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, America's two hundredth birthday, and the Ramones
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: had made sure that American rock and roll had been conquered.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: London would never be the same, hell, the world would
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: never be the same. In the audience that night, in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: addition to the clash and John Lydon, who would go
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: on to front the Sex Pistols as Johnny Rotten and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: his bandmate Said Vicious. There were also members of The Damn,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: The Pretenders, the Adverts of Generation X. Later, during their
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: stint in London, as members of the Clash and the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: sex Pistols cozied up to their new American rock and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: roll saviors and the Ramones. Johnny Ramone played the role
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of mentor Mick Jones and Paul Simonon of The Clash
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: told Johnny that now that we've seen you, we're going
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to be a band, and Joe Strummer worried aloud to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Johnny that the Clash were lousy and that they couldn't play.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Johnny told him that if you wait until you can play,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: you'll be too old to get up there. The Clash
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: took Johnny Ramone's advice and became one of the most
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: consequential rock and roll bands of all time and the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: only band that mattered, and the sex Pistols took note two.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Bassist Sid Vicious followed Dede around everywhere in London. He
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: was obsessed with Dede's look, his playing, his attitude, his
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: entire vibe, and Sid was eager to impress to show
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Dedi that he was as rock and roll as he
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: was at a party. Sid was set on shooting some
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: speed with Dede. They hit the bathroom. It was disgusting.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: There was feces and pew everywhere, never mind the piss,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: The toilets were completely overflowing with all three the sinks
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: were broken and Sid needed liquid to mix the speed
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to shoot it from the syringe into their arms. He
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: looked around, thought about it and said fuck it. Dip
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the syringe into the shit and puke filled toilet, vacuumed
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: up whatever liquid he could into the syringe, shook it
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to mix the speed, pointed the syringe into the crease
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of his arm and injected its contents. Deedie Ramone, who
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't shocked easily, was speechless. The Ramones, with their high
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: octane rock and roll, their old school rock and roll attitude.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: They're completely over the top and outrageously straight ahead rock
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and roll intensity had inspired something beyond their wildest dreams.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: In London, at least rock and roll, it seemed, was
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: very much alive. Traveling from show to show in a van,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: four guys, maybe a road manager and or a roadie,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: plus a random group your girlfriend. It may sound glamorous,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: but it gets old quick, especially because you and your bandmates,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: despite your best intentions, are getting old quick. There is
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: no way to stave off father time. But success helps,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and for rock band success usually means a graduation from
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the van to a bus or maybe even a jet,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: But not for the Romans. Back in the States, Johnny
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: sat in the passenger seat. It was so he could
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: control the radio, among other things. Whenever possible, they listened
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to the baseball game, Johnny's beloved Yankees, aside from his bandmates.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: By his estimation, Johnny didn't truck with No Forest Hills,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: loser like the Mets, and that's just what the Ramones were, losers.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: They had saved rock and roll inspired millions, including it seemed,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: all of London, motivating scores of young talented musicians to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: pick up arms in the fight to bring rock back
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: from the brink the Clash Sex Pistols Generation X, and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: they did the same back home in the States with
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the Runaways among others. They were beyond the Tri State
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: area now, and the Yankee game had long since faded.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Johnny Futz with the radio dial. He stopped when he
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: came upon the Clash as Rock the Caspo. He let
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the song play, even though it annoyed the hell out
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of them. The fact that the Clash, a band he
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: himself encouraged to get up on stage, was being played
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: on mainstream radio even more insulting on MTV, while the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Ramones were forced to tool around New England in a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: dirty van, effectively singing for their supper, drove him nuts. Nonetheless,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he let the song play out. The next tune to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: break through the speakers was Eyes Without a Face by
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Billy Idol, formerly of Generation X, another UK punk mus
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: as she who owed his career to the Ramones. By
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Johnny's thinking anyway, his blood boiled. He went to change
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the channel. Indeed, he protested. Johnny told him to go
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: fuck herself and changed it anyway. Up the dial he went.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Soon the Caveman beat for Jon Jets, I Love rock
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and roll blasted back at them. It was too much
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: another one. Johnny shut the radio off. In the back seat, Linda,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Johnny's new girlfriend, looked out the window triumphantly. Johnny didn't notice.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Joey did. He noticed most everything Linda did. It wasn't
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: too long ago they were together, but then Johnny swept
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: in and stole her away. It broke Joey's heart. Even
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Deede thought that one was fucked up. Joey still didn't
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: understand women, and with his chronic obsessive, compulsive ticks, he
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: feared no woman would ever really understand him. Tommy was gone,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: he quit long ago. His replacement, Marky, was oblivious, drunk
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: most of the time, happy to be part of the ride.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: For now, deed he wasn't. It wasn't fun anymore. He
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: wanted out. There was no joy in playing in the Ramones,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: so in the beginning of nineteen eighty nine he quit.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: One of the greatest, most influential bands on the planet
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that everyone fellow musicians and critics all seemed to acknowledge. Everyone,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that is, except for the record buying public on mass
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: The Ramones weren't obscure by any measure, but they weren't
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a household name like Joan Jed or Billie Idel. They
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: were a club band, a damn good one too, one
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of the best. But despite countless efforts different producers, including
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the famed and psychotic Phil Specter, despite appearing in the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: film Rock and Roll High School, despite writing and recording
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the title track to Stephen King's pat cemetery film of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the same name, and despite covering past hits by their
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: rock and roll heroes and courage songwriting gold like Tom
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Waits as I Don't Want to Grow Up, none of
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: it helped the Ramones break through to a mainstream audience
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and to enjoy the level of success they deserved. The
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: psychology of it all was enough to drive you insane.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You're regarded in your living icons as one of the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: most important, original and influential bands of all time. You're
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: out there slinging hundreds of shows a year, your name
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: rings out worldwide, yet you're not actually successful. You saved
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: rock and roll, but it refused to save you. Breakup
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: was inevitable. In nineteen ninety six, after their album Audios
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Amigos failed to sell, the band performed their last show
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: at the Palladium in Hollywood, and they were joined on
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: stage at different times by Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Chris Cornello Soundgarden, and Tim Armstrong of Rancid. Platinum selling
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: recording artists, all of whom were enjoying high positions on
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the Billboard charts and regular rotation on MTV. There to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: help celebrate the legacy of one of their favorite bands,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: but whose success helped drive the Ramones off the road
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to ruin and into an early grave. Five years later,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, Johnny, now living in La
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: got the call Joey. It was dead. The lymphoma did
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: him in at the age of forty nine. If Johnny
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: was hoping for Ramone's reunion, it wasn't happening. Neither was
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: a cross country trip to New York City to his
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: bandmate's funeral. Even before the band broke up, the two
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: hadn't really spoken in years. Joey's dysfunction in his drinking
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: was a constant annoyance to Johnny, and Joey, for his part,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: never get over Johnny stealing his girl. There was no
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: love lost between the two. A few years after Joey's death,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Johnny was asked by a journalist for Rolling Stone if
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he attended Joey's funeral. Johnny replied, I was in California.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I wasn't going to travel all the way to New York.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have gone anyway. I wouldn't want him
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: coming to my funeral, and I wouldn't want to hear
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: from him if I were dying, I'd only want to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: see my friends, let me die, leave me alone. Johnny
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: wasn't alone. On the night of March nineteenth, two thousand
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and two, he stood at the podium of the Waldorf
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Astoria alongside bandmates DeeDee, Tommy and Marky Ramone and accepted
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: his award for being in duck on the first ballot
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Finally the
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: recognition the Ramones deserved. It was the least the power
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: as it be in the music industry could do. The
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Romans had, after all, brought rock and roll back from
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the brink, injected a new energy into the genre and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: an era that desperately needed. It, retracted rock from disco's
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: death clutch, and bridged the gap between rock and rolls
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: golden and modern Eras it was only fitting that the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: band who saved rock and roll take their rightful place
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Johnny spoke first.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: As was expected, he leaned into the mic and in
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a head scratcher, thanked Republican President George W. Bush for
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: his award. Ever the contrarian punk as fuck until the end.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Tommy then spoke. He played on the emotion of the moment.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Believe it or not, he said, we really loved each other,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: even when we weren't acting civil to each other. We
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: were truly brothers. Dede took his turn at the podium
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and in typical d D fashion, I'd like to congratulate
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: myself and thank myself and give myself a big pat
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: on the back. Thank you, Deedy, You're very wonderful. I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: love you. With that, they left the stage to genuine
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: applause and gratitude. Joey Roman's award, however, remained on the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: podium unclaimed. What a disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan and this
• 34:29
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• 34:48
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